The Herd with Colin Cowherd - All Ball - Pt. 3 with Maurice Clarett on Rebuilding, Mental Health, Educating Athletes, Perspective

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

In this episode, Doug concludes his extended three part interview with former Ohio State standout running back and national champion Maurice Clarett, who discusses how he rebuilt of life after prison, why he's able to get his message across to today's athletes effectively, his struggle to get proper mental health diagnosis while inside, how he started educating himself while in prison, why his early morning workout regimen is a key to his success, his plans for the next 10 years, and how he takes time to give himself perspective. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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If you've been listening to this podcast, you know that we don't always do basketball. There's an amazing T.J. Hooshman's Ottawa. You want to hear about a personal story similar to this one, Maurice Claret? T.J. Hushman Zada, who also sold drugs when he was a kid and never graduated. Didn't graduate with his graduating class got a GED. Just Google T.J. Hushmanzada in the All Ball feed, and you'll love that one. That's a, I mean, he tells everything as well. But this is part three of Maurice Lorette.

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He's a leader. He's a big member of his community. He's also been financially really successful. and he actually owns a drug and alcohol rehab facility. All right, how do you get from Maurice Claret, the guy who had it all to being behind bars to now being the successful member of society? You'll hear it right now on All Ball.

If I put you in charge, a guy who's lived this life, and now, and I follow you, I've been a fan of this version of you for a good portion of time. but how is there a way in which and I know sometimes we're just too young and too full of bullshit and and desire to conquer the world to actually stop and actually learn something and listen to people how do we get kids from backgrounds like yours or even backgrounds like mine right to actually want to learn something um it's like it's like I'd say this all the time about broadcasting the key to being a good like when you call in a game is you actually want to teach somebody but you don't want to lecture somebody you lecture somebody people turn it off right and maybe it's a different way of teaching maybe it's a different subject matter where you can teach the same lessons i'm just wondering because it feels like you love you like you learn shit all the time

you love learning different stuff now and that's what school is supposed to be unfortunately it's not and it it becomes arduous and there's just a negativity to it how do we flip that A good question, you ask. And I don't know if you know, but I go to Yukon on a regular basis, right? And so I connected with coach Dan Hurley, the basketball team, specifically for this, right?

And so I was there with James Bookman. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the players who's playing. Yeah, right? So I was there with- Baller. And I love Danny, by the way. He's the best.

That's my deal. Real-due. That's my fear. So what ended up happening was, I go up there, and I had the same thing. And it was similar to what he was talking about. But it also kind of bridges into what you're talking about. So what I started doing was like, okay, I know these kids,

I don't want to say they hate school because I don't want to put that on them. But they were there to play basketball. And most kids have aspirations of attain some sort of lifestyle that they dreamed of through basketball. Right. And so what I did to make learning fun is that I said, okay, separate what you enjoy doing, which is basketball or what you enjoy doing from how do you make money. And I didn't make a school base. I just said, everybody wants to make money.

Everybody wants to make a living for themselves. But let me show you how you can leverage yourself in your hometown, being at that. That's the place where you have the most social equity. Everybody wanted to see you grow up and be this big, famous star. And let me show you how to make that work for you and to make a living from doing it and doing good, being a social entrepreneur and so on and so forth. And so literally from some of the assistant coaches and some of the players, I sit them down with the whiteboard and I break down. real estate to them. I break down how I got into the medical field. What am I breakdown? How just owning equity into different institutions. And I say it and I illustrate it in a way that

they can understand it, but I also connect to them and how how their life, how their skill set, how their experience, how their social equity towards their environment connects to that. And I tell you this, when I leave from a teaching and not from a lecturing standpoint, I got to connect you with all those motherfuckers, right? You know, I'm a, I'm a, constantly because you're real and when i when i tell you like this um but that helps me to talk shit with them about just being lazy on the fucking court and not putting in work and not getting their shots up it's easier for them to take that because they understand like okay this dude you're just speaking towards like like assisting me in my life you know what i'm saying and um and um

i don't i don't want to say that's the here we go in order to influence somebody the basic shit. And I influence people in prison, right? This is the same thing. How can you fucking help me make some money? Can you help me move my life forward? Can you help me to become more than what I am? And I don't give a fuck if you're in prison. I don't give a fuck if you play in a Yukon. I don't care if you're in broadcasting. How can you assist me? If you can't lead with how you're going to assist somebody or how their situation can improve, chances are you're not going to connect with them, right? I think one thing that I'm good at is that I've figured out how to make a living for myself and how to do well outside of sport. So that's the connective tissue with these

do is, okay, you didn't make it to the NFL, you didn't do this, but you live like that. How does that work, right? And then you can explain that in a simple way that also understanding and illustrating that if you want a specific skill set, if you want to become a mechanical engineer, if you want to be a physician of some sorts, or if you want to be, like if you want to do ear, nose and throat, or if you want to be a podiatrist, you want to be a chiropractor, you want to be a general surgeon, you want to be a vascular surgeon, a radiologist. Go to school for that, but there's a ton of other ways and there's a ton of other skills that the world accepts, right? And so what happens is that these guys, they develop all these skills, they develop all

this grit, this grind, this hustle, but they're never told, like, where their skill set goes in life, right? All guys who are athletes aren't good in sales just because they're popular. People may know them, but they don't have initiative. They don't have good social skills. They don't have interpersonal skills. And oftentimes frustration comes because they just try to bunch guys and loop them in and say, you know, all of you guys should be good at this because you were good at playing football. Well, there's a ton of different personalities. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can sit here and engage with you. And as I'm talking, I say, I see why this motherfucker's good in media, right? Speak real clear, engaging, thoughtful with the stuff that you talk about.

And you say, okay, but then I've been, I'll do somebody's podcast or something. I say, man, this dude is a shit show. You know what I'm saying? In the back of my mind. Not to, not the degrading or dog. No, no, no. I understand. Here's it.

Here's the, I'll give you a sports example. Okay. So, uh, my junior year at Oklahoma State, we were preseason top 10 teams. And we were, we really struggled not because we didn't have, we had a really good team. We had super talented. We had one guy kind of threw into the mix that he thought he was. was a gangster too. And that screwed us up. To this day, I think he's better now, but he's certain time. But the biggest issue was that our best player's got him Adrian Peterson, right?

Adrian Peterson is third all-time lean scored at Oklahoma State from North Little Rock, Arkansas. He's a great dude. So Pete's his nickname. And they tried to make Pete into a vocal leader. Hey, Pete is your team. Say some shit. Hey, Pete, you know, and everybody liked Pete. And Pete was funny and he would but he that just wasn't his jam right that just wasn't who he was like you're trying to try to make him and what you're talking about it's like it's like striker right striker self his medical sales medical sales right they try and get all former athletes like you know not every former athlete is good at sitting down and talking to a doctor and understanding some stuff you know there's things that i i can't do i can i can i can sit down with anybody and

talk with anybody, but I can't fucking organize shit. Like I am so disorganized in life. It's crazy, right? I still don't have my reimbursements from last year. Like, I'm terrible at, right? So what you're saying is right, which is like, you've got to find, it's not just about finding something for them to do and connect with you. You got to find the right thing for the right guy, for the right personality. And there's ways to make money off whoever you are, however you are, one, you got to be motivated, but two, you kind of got to find that thing. Yes. And I forgot where we were going with the conversation, but you get exactly that. You were talking about you. Sit down with dude.

Okay. So, tell about the anxiety stuff because that's fascinating. I have two kids who are on anxiety meds. It's not as taboo as it used to be, right? Like when I was a little kid, they tried to get, they try to put me on riddle in. My parents lost their minds. is why we can't put you on Ritalin. The process of understanding social anxiety disorder and how it affects you. What's that like for you? Because I'm sure part of you's like, yo, I've been kind of successful in life. Like I was the best running back in the country with this shit going on.

I was able to function. But then you're like rock bottom. How did you come to accept what you have? How did you come to understand what's the right medication? Because not every medication works for you. Take me through the anxiety piece. Yeah, so there's two things. I'm glad you asked the last question because that was a real thing.

So I didn't, so Denver tried to pair me with the psychiatrist and I resist to her, right? And I thought it was like, you know, you come up, you don't think like I can sit down and talk with somebody and they can help me to figure something out. You think that you need a thing. You think like there has to be some tangible thing that exchanges and takes place to help you become better. So I pushed her away. So then when I went to prison or when I went to jail, the judge ordered a mental health evaluation before we could even start the trial. And he did it because he said, like, yo, I've seen like you as a regular person. Like, you're not in your right state of mind to be riding around with guns and doing crazy shit.

So I go through my assessment. And the first thing that gave me was so fucking strong and like basically like kind of like, it was like mild. Like, not mild like mild like, yeah, like Molly sedated. And I was on the toilet one day, and I passed out on the toilet. Like I was using the bathroom. I'm in prison, and there was a nurse that she probably, literally probably saved my life. I was on the toilet and I was like woozy. And she was like, nah, man, look, I know what they gave you.

That's not it. Let me bring another psychiatrist in here and let this next person talk to you, right? So I talked to the next psychiatrist, and basically the nurse who was inside of jail, she basically encouraged the doctor to give me something else. And basically to help me out. inside of like the side of prison inside of what I was going through. But what I think it helped with me, the biggest difference was I was able to slow down my thinking, right?

Or, you know, like you get like four or five things that you need to do. And I'm talking about prior to prison. Like, okay, you have to put your career back together. That's not the easiest fucking thing to do. Like as a 37 year old adult, if everything fell down now, like I probably have the skill set now, but it still wouldn't be an easy thing to do. And so like just feeling the feeling of being overwhelmed or,

You don't know where to start and you getting frustrated. And, you know, weed and drinking becomes like the way that you sedate yourself and it feels better. But you actually don't unravel anything and you wake up and you probably have more anxiety than the day before. And so that was like, you know, that was like that whole period. You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, once I was in prison and I was still for seven months, the first seven months I was on 23-hour lockdown and being still and being medicated. And I tell it like this, man, never, never underestimate this. And I go through it every day.

I'm actually in my office right now, but learning how to journal and write down my thoughts, stuff that was in my head and learning how to organize it, like anybody who sees me, I always have a book bag and I always have notepads. And so if you around me, I have like a thousand fucking notes. And they don't make sense to anybody else but me, right? So I'll have three or four or five notebooks and I have composition notebooks and yellow pads. And if I see a sticky pad at a fucking hotel, I grab that and I grabbed the PM. But that helps me, it's, as crazy as sound, it helps me to take it out my brain, put it on the pad and look at it. And I can just like, okay, like this isn't serious.

So I can throw it away. Let me give this to Doug. Let me give this to James. Let me give this to Ashley. Let me give this to Mary. Let me give this to whoever this is supposed to be. This isn't supposed to be on me. And that helps me to delegate my anxiety.

You know what I'm saying? Even when you talk about you're not organized, right? Like in my world, I may not be the best organized person, but I can organize people around me to help me stay organized if that makes sense. And so they kind of help to. keep me, you know, moving, moving the way I'm supposed to move, uh, officially, and in, in, in, around yourself with, surround yourself with people who do what you don't do or can't do and allow them to do that for you, right? Right. That's the, that's,

you know, it's a, it's a, it's, it's, it's, um, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's a, it's, it's a, hey I'm not perfect. There's some juice or shit I can't fucking do, right? That's a, okay. So when did you, when did you get out? I got out in 2010. Okay, so you've been behind bars for four years. Three years and 11 months, yeah.

When you're in, and obviously it was different then than it is now, do you know what's going on the rest of the world, or is there like a gap in terms of your memory? of just life and the states and sports and everything else, you know, or do you have like a gap in your memory in terms of what else is going on? No, so I knew everything that was going on because I read a lot. So I would get to New York Times. I would get to Wall Street Journal.

And now papers come a day late. So that's the bad thing. And it's not a bad thing because you still think it's that day. You know what I'm saying? Or you read them in order. It's not like you see TV and you see something else. But I became like a nerd, man. So just imagine for four years I'm locked down for 20 hours out of the day.

So you're inside of your housing unit and you're locked down for 20 hours out of the day. You don't go outside from October to March. You know what I'm saying? So in this period, I was like, man, after reading as a man, think of a thousand times, they had this thing called bargain books. And people were basically sending me 20, 30 bucks. And I'll say, fuck. Like, I might just figure out something I can do.

Like, let me learn how to read, right? So I took the same approach towards reading as I did with football, right? If you want to become good, like I used to watch fucking endless amounts of film of Walter Payton. I would watch Christian Nicoy. I would watch Thurman Thomas. I would watch Barry Foster. I will watch Kevin Mack. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Maurice Florett process of read autobiographies in terms of because everyone has their own, their own, you said accomplishing or doing something great. Again, that's very subjective. What would you say, like, pick this one up. This is a good one to start with. The first one kind of led me to everything else, Andrew Carnegie. And so Andrew Carnegie had a series of books that I read. So I read as a conversation to him and Napoleon Hill, that led me into thinking,

grow rich. Then I got on to Warren Buffett and Benjamin Graham. Benjamin Graham was his teacher at Columbia, the Warren Buffett Way, Snowball. There was a series of books from Andrew Carnegie, Napoleon Hill, Warren Buffett, and all books kind of written around those guys. And I wasn't interested in Bill Gates. You know Bill Gates was like a mammoth at that time, but I knew nothing about tech, but Warren was just a basic investor. And I said, okay, well, you don't have to be smart to be, well, you have to be smart and patient and disciplined to be an investor, but you don't have to know tech. And I didn't know anything about tech. And I'm still not interested in tech, like even though it runs our world, which is fucking stupid, right? But legitimately, that's basically

who I start reading from. And that kind of like set my mind frame in regards to picking books. Like, that's what I picked from Dwayne Dyer. That's when I went to Power versus Forrest by David Hawkins, ascending levels of consciousness, truth versus falsehood, spirituality versus non-spirituality. And I just start reading from like big principles, like read from big principles of how to think, read from big principles with how investing work, read from big principles with just basically how to Titans live their life.

Like my son's name is Titan on purpose, right? Like I'm interested, like they got a good documentary to men who built America. You know, you read from the Rockefellers. And so it's not like you can recreate those. industrial times, but you can see just like, you're like, like, who do you think you are, uh, Jeff Bezos? Elon must have think that you can do what you do, right? And I'm pretty sure those guys, uh, back in the fucking early 1900s or as polarizing as,

as Bezos is now, like where his, his accomplishment seems significant. But the fact of the matter is the rest of the world will sit on these guys thinking. You know what I'm saying? There will be people who mimic Tesla. There will be people who, like, we sit, we still sit on a. railroad system that the fucking Rockofelows put in place. We still sit on the fucking steel industry that got revolutionized that made fucking that end up, J.P.

Morgan was his fucking accountant, and J.P. Morgan Chase is a fucking mammoth right now. And so you just, you know, those are things I read from. So I don't care if you're in a college dormitory or in a prison. When you just start to think as far as you can think, like, it doesn't matter where you at. You're just, your mind somewhere else. You know what I'm saying? And so I just did that day in and day out.

And I got into a habit of journaling, excuse me, and writing fucking notes down every day in journaling and writing goes down. I remember this was 2008. What year is the Olympics, were you saying, Boat? 2008, somewhere around there. 8, 789, right? And I remember it was a picture where he had broke the record, like fucking 9, 5 and 100 or something. But that's when I started, like, I took that picture out and put that up on the wall

and put the different affirmations that I would read. And no matter how, like, no matter how many times I walked out of my cell and looked at where I was at, I never felt that way, like, once I started reading. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you really want to say, like, what changed my life? Reading changed my life, right? And so there still comes a point to where you read all this stuff. You still have to act on it when you get out. But after 2010, like, I was just like in like a cerebral state where I was like, man, fuck it, I can just go live life.

And, like, I'll figure it out. But there's still a starting point to where you own. ultimately want to get to. And that was basically, you know, 2010 came to let me out. I was fortunate enough to go out to Omaha, Nebraska. The guy who had drafted me in Denver, he had basically got cut in Denver. His name was Tea Sunquist. And he was like, hey, we got this new startup league coming to Omaha, Nebraska, and basically come out here and play ball. So I went out to Omaha, Nebraska. I started to play ball. Really was the coolest and greatest thing to happen to me post-prison because, you know, Omaha, Omaha a lot like a lot like a little.

Oklahoma. So I've been to Tulsa a bunch of times. And so, you know, I like, I like, I like Omaha. I was just telling a friend, like, Omaha is one of the best cities you're never going to be. Nobody's, like, nobody goes like, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to go Omaha. Like, nobody, but it's actually a really cool city. So Omaha is the most American city ever that I've ever been to, right? And I, but what I think happens, I think Warren Buffett kind of keeps everybody in check, right? And I, and I live there for two and a half a year. So, like, you can't think you that sweet when fucking Warren Buffett's in town, bro. You know what I'm saying? You can't think you'd have sleep when this is just, you know what I'm saying? And then, like, he's normal Joe Blow. Like, I had a chance

to sit down with him for five hours, one-on-one. And, like, he's a well-read individual, so it's, like, easy to keep a conversation. I had read so much from him. And, like, I think he sets the tone for the city, bro. Like, I just personally believe it. Like, he sets the tone for the city. And I think everybody falls in. line from that. You know, think about this. He has a lot of fucking industry. At this time, he was donating about $5 million to parks and services every year. So you always have, like, beautiful parks and beautiful surfaces. And you have like all of these, you don't have like a shitty side of town. You know what I'm saying? It's just, I don't know, it's a great city

that a lot of people just don't know about great fucking food. I used to go to all the minor league baseball games up there. I used to go to fucking the dime hot dogs on fucking Tuesdays at the local restaurant. I don't know. I love, I fucking love when you're when you're playing football, could you flip this could you flip the switch and go back to gangster mode or was it different? No, once I got hit after I got out of prison, I just didn't want to do it anymore, but I didn't have an occupation or money. So I just stuck it out for two years just because I know how to do it. But I was over football at that point. And like once I was able to think and I said, what am I doing this for? Like I was just done with it. You know what I'm saying? But I understand.

I understood that they wanted to bring the league notoriety. I understood me coming out of prison was a way for them to advertise the league. They had Jeff Garcia, Amon Green, Dante Cal Pepper. They were just like they were trying to drum up information about the league. But they essentially paid me two years just to market the league. I mean, if you really want to call it what it is. But I had a great time in Omaha. I met some good friends, still friends with them to this day.

And I'll be back in October. but, you know, just it was a cool place to transition to. Okay, so now one of the big parts of who you are and what you do is getting people out, getting people up every morning to exercise, to work out, move their body to open up their mind. When did that start? Just, and really, it's become a thing as how I live a lifestyle. Like, you know, social media became what it is. is this fucking platform where you have a reality showing your pocket all day

if that's what you choose to do. But it's also a way of like, you know, just be tracking myself or tracking my life and holding myself accountable to do the disciplines that I know keep me successful and on track. And so I used to get up in prison at 6 o'clock every morning, but I'll be up and working out every morning. And then when I came back to Ohio, it was natural for me to get up at like 4.35 in the morning from being in prison all those years. And like, I don't think people,

I don't think people have ever given themselves the opportunity. Or they don't understand the benefits of wellness. So I get up every day. I drink my coffee in the same spot every day. I have notebooks around me every day. I write my goals down. Wait, wait, wait. We just had Dan Campbell say he gets two black eyes every morning,

which is venty 20 ounce of Starbucks or whatever and two shots of espresso. So two of those, that's a lot. Okay, I drink my, I drink my fills cold brew, okay, with cream and sugar, ice every day. I've changed drinks. What's your coffee drink and you get up and you get that coffee? So I get four blonde shots. So I do four blonde shots from Starbucks.

Well, the morning is a cure, but my go-to drink. Over ice? Over ice or hot? Oh, hot. Just hot, straight. Just the hot, straight black bone, just go ahead and sit with my, with my notepad. and sit with my goals and write it down. And I meditate too.

So I'm real big on trying to. Do you have coffee? How do you meditate after you have coffee? No, so it's all the same. So you're like, I try this, right? So what I do is that, like, so just think about just like, even as we're talking right now, you have somewhere that you either wants your career to go, something you want to accomplish.

And, you know, when new ideas come to your mind, you question them. You know what I'm saying? or you think about them, or you double think about them, or you think like, is this possible? And I've learned that if you can just become comfortable with a thought and only be positive about the thought and just ask yourself, why are you even questioning? It becomes easier to unravel what you need to do to make that happen.

And it allows you to become like, this is who I need to become to make this happen. And so that's like my routine. So I'll get up and like, so even if I turn this around, I have a whiteboard right in front of me. And so I get up and I purposely write the stuff down that I'm working on at that time down again. I'm drinking coffee and I picture this. I've said this a thousand times,

but I picture like a man in my mind just brushing out my ears any negative thought, right? So anything negative I feel, any bad emotion, any time when my energy feels kind of like a lethargic, I'm just brushing that out, right? And so then I'm trying to harness this feeling, like this natural feeling of like, okay, I have to do this, or me and you have to meet,

I want this interaction to be great. I'm going to be the one to smile at him first. I'm going to be the one to, like, kind of establish what we're doing, like, just so we make this a great experience, you know what I'm saying? And like, everything that I do, I want to give myself to that moment, but I think about everything like that, right? So then after that, I go to the gym, and once I go to the gym, I feel like whatever energy you put inside of that moment for that hour, 90 minutes, whatever you do, that's the energy that you have or the effort that you have that you give towards the day. So the majority time people see me talking, they've seen,

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It's literally all of that stuff every day, just going through that process. It's kind of like you're priming yourself up every day to get going. And so I'm thinking about like if I have to go through a deal, if it's a little tough, like I've conditioned myself. and prepare myself to do it. Right? So then next thing you know, I get in front of the camera. And, you know, I even hear like people,

you know, like the victim mentality, like the fucking sky's falling. I tell him, like, get your motherfucking ass up. You know what I'm saying? Because it really starts and a starting point is getting your ass up and getting in the fucking gym or getting in front of a fucking piece of paper

and understanding that where you ultimately want to go may take some time, but there's still things that you can do on a daily basis to help you grab. graduate and get to that space. And, you know, it's just a sense of encouragement, but then also to myself, or just me talking to myself,

because, you know, I don't feel enthused and encouraged and inspirational every day. You know what I'm saying? But whether I like it or not, I still get my ass up. I still keep fucking going. And along the way, you see things that you, that you've written on a whiteboard

that you've accomplished. And it starts to make sense. And so, you know, that's kind of, you know, it's kind of like where I'm at with life. is tight and going to play football? Whatever he feels like doing. Right now he's one years old. He's a fucking tape.

He's strong. He climbs on everything. He falls off of everything. So first of all, he's going to be rough. This is July. No, this is August, whatever it is. I'm telling you right now, he's rough, right? And so, like, we'll go outside and I'll put him on,

the swing set in the back. You know, he got the monkey bar you crawl across. You know, he'll hold himself up there and have a grip. And I was like, fuck, this dude is one of your zone. He has a grip like this

and he's strong. So I think that he'll be attracted or he'll be, he'll want to do something physical. You know what I'm saying? Just because he's a fucking barrel. But like, the irony you talk about this,

I was running to sprints this morning on the track. And what I want to teach him is that whatever you do, just pursue it because you want to be excellent in it. Don't pursue it. it because you have to buy mommy and daddy a house or you have to get us out the neighborhood

or, you know, it's you against the world. Sometimes we create these narratives in our head and that becomes the purpose of your life. You know what I'm saying? But like pursue, like if you want to go do fucking whatever you want to do, bro, just pursue the highest level of it just because that's the way it's supposed to be done. And if he's going to play sports, all right, we're not playing for money. We're not playing for any of that. Like that will come if you're good enough, right?

but what we're going to play is because, motherfucker, you're supposed to be playing to be the best of the craft or be the best of what you're doing. You might not be there day one or day two, but that's what I'm promoted. So, like, I got a daughter. She's 15 and 11th grade,

and we've never promoted sports to her. But I tell her, when you go play basketball, like, and I think one of the coolest things of this is that in the classroom she dominates, but on the basketball court, she gets her ass kicked, right? And I love it as a parent because it brings balance, right? It lets you know that you're not good

in every fucking thing you do. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, she's 15. So she skipped two grades, right? So she's a smart kid. She, you know, she'll graduate at 15.5, 16 or something like that. But I kind of like things that bring balance. You know what I'm saying?

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So in the last 10 years, you got out of jail, you got your shit together, okay? You become a guy who people point you bring to, talk to young people. you've gotten into investing, gotten into medical stuff as well, okay? What's the next 10 years? If we sit down, we do this in 10 years, what's the next 10 years going to have? I'm going to signify.

I would say growing what I do. So in particular, so I have a drug and alcohol rehab facility that we probably service about 600 kids in Youngstown City schools in my hometown. and we probably service about 60 or 70 adults. We house them who basically come from prisons, jails, court systems, are just have some sort of transitional issues, right? I would like to grow that organically.

I don't want to reach and market anywhere. I just want to grow that organically because I think that that is like the core, who I am, and it's probably some of the most rewarding work in which we do. I also have a partner, I have three other partners that we do, foot and ankle centers, podiatry centers. So we own about 22 practices right now, and I would love to continue to grow that the way that we do. We also own some vascular surgery centers, a handful of them here, another handful, three of them here in Ohio right now, and our goal is to continue to grow, podiatric services. Our goal is to continue to grow vascular surgery centers across the state or

in other states. I'll tell you like this, we're thinking about going to Oklahoma next part and connecting with some of the Indian tribes, but that's a whole different story. And I do affordable housing. So I have a decent amount of real estate that we provide affordable housing for people in inner cities. And that's part of like my social mission. So I would just like to continue to just be a social entrepreneur,

you know, in regards to podiatry and vascular services. I think our doctors that we have on staff do a great job and we help to save limbs with our vascular surgery center. You know, a lot of people who have diabetes or who have lost circulation and have black toes or poor circulation to their feet. I think that we've created a way as better than hospitals for people to get services administered to them. We have houses that are 15 and 20 years old that we are able to subsidize and provide great housing for people in inner cities who may have shitty housing or who would normally have shitty housing or who would live in apartments in some other capacity.

sleep. And so for me, you know, to grow in that space and to do things that make sense socially, I do believe in entrepreneurship and making money and being a capitalist. And so when you can kind of create situations where you can make a great circumstance for everybody where you can provide a great service and help people and make money and do right and sleep well at night, that's all I want to do. You know, I don't have like a figure-on-dollar amount that I want to make. You know, I want to do meaningful work. You know, so like I'll tell you this, right? When I get off this phone call, I'm going to feel like this was time well spent. Like just having a good conversation with somebody, like it meant something like part of my life with this video, I live forever. I don't

care if one person watches or a thousand people watching. Like, I just want to spend my time which felt like, yo, I had a good conversation with somebody or I don't want to waste time. You know what I'm saying? I think of anything, like if I go over the past decades and know that you've spent your time doing meaningful shit, you spent your time doing things you enjoy, You spent your time, like, you spent your time investing to your kids to be, like, decent fucking human beings. You know what I'm saying? Or the people who you do business with, like, y'all are just, like, good people. Like, or even the people around you, your staff members and people who are connected to you,

I'm pretty sure everybody feels like that where you want to have, like, like, you want to say, like, and I look at, like, you play video games. Everybody played video games before, right? And everybody's life has, like, you know how, like, when you play, like, Mortal Kombat and your life keep on going down and down and down. I look at life like that, bro. And, like, we only got so much life energy. You know what I'm saying? And, like, I don't look at age, but you're just like, you're only, your body, your mind, your brain. You only have so much life energy.

Like, who are you going to spend it around? You know what I'm saying? Is it going to be meaningful? Like, are you going to hold on to, like, stupid-ass grudges? Are you going to fucking spew hate towards people? Are you going to be confrontational? Are you going to not for fucking stand for doing what's right? And so, like, my mind being in those spaces now.

here's my, here's my big, big question, okay? Because mention anxiety, you've been through a lot of shit, okay? Somebody's growing yourself, some of it's life, okay? Some of it's you didn't have anybody saying like, no, dude, right? There's all kinds of different. But I do get in your voice, like a lot of people, when they get to that place, they lose hope. And it doesn't feel like, and you did go through depression. And depression is, you know, you are losing hope.

If somebody is listening to this pod, okay, somebody's listening to this pod and they say, man, how, how does he stay so positive, man? Like, because again, like, you can, and I know what you're, I, something you said resonated really well with me, which is, you know, it's basically like life is what you make of it. Every day in every situation is what you make of it, you know. But I guarantee there's somebody's going to listen to like, dude, he was Maurice Claret.

that his best freshman in the country, he could have been the best, like, you're talking about Ohio State has had all these great Heisman trophy winning, running backs have gone on to greatness, and they think, well, you kicked away a great career. But the truth is that if you actually listen to what you're saying, like this part of life

might not have been possible, if not for all the shit you did, right? Like, you may have been in a worse place having more success in football. That's the reality of it. But if, if, if, If somebody's in that negative space, okay? And what, what?

A reading, obviously, right? The bite. Help me out of time. Exercise. But how do you get somebody? I mean, lots of kids, they sit in that dark room and they're on their device and they're looking at other people on IG and they think everybody's got it better than me.

I got a shitty. What's that first step in getting up out of bed, getting up off that couch and getting your ass into a more positive place? I'm going to go with my favorite things that I actually do, not some bullshit fucking positive motivation of saying, get you, I mean, I give the reasoning behind it. Get up before you're supposed to get up, right? And the biggest thing is that you're able to spend time with yourself.

People don't spend time with themselves, right? So if something is hurting you, something is bothering you or you feel hopeless, there's typically a reason because nobody gets dumped out of their mother's vagina and they just say, I'm fucking hopeless. Usually there's some conditions or something that happens to you that you haven't unraveled in here, right? And I say meditate and go right and journal because those are your thoughts. And that's the stuff that you're dumping on paper.

And as you can see something, like you can start to categorize and say, okay, like, well, maybe, maybe I, like, here we go. I go to therapy as well, too. So I don't want to minimize that. So just as when a person is physically weak and they don't know what to do with, go do it. Get a fucking trainer, right? I go to therapy on a consistent basis right down here at Ohio State, and I own a fucking therapeutic, I own a behavioral health center, right? And getting with somebody who can help you to organize or make sense of what's going through your mind,

I felt hopeless, I felt restless, couldn't go to fucking sleep. I deny medication because I was like, fuck it, I don't want a medication. Medication was the best fucking thing to happen to me. It gave me the assistance to chemically feel better to get myself back in motion. My lady of 16 and a half years, she's a fucking diabetic. Her fucking pancreas doesn't work. You know what they give her? Give her fucking insulin. I'm pretty sure she wish she can wake up and say, oh, my fucking pancreas working.

I don't need to fucking shoot myself every day. But sometimes when you're in a shitty space or if you fucking sprain an ankle or your fucking ACL, what do you do? You go get some assistance. You go get some help because my fucking body part is a fucking fracture and I need some assistance. So the fact that everybody in America fucking can have access to health care, I'm telling you, you can get on your fucking phone and talk to a therapist and sitting and breaking yourself down, breaking your mind down, breaking your thoughts down, breaking down what's going on to your life, right? That's from a mental standpoint. I don't care what a person believes in religiously, but I think you have to have

some sort of spiritual, universal, religious sort of grounding to yourself, right? I'm not saying believe in the higher power. I'm not saying that the devil was up under the ground with a fucking pitch for it, right? But I think that every human being has to have some moral compass, some integrity, some sort of foundation which they make decisions off of, right? And that's why I gravitated to David Hawkins. David Hawkins wasn't a Christian. He wasn't, and this is where I started at. He wasn't like a Christian, a Muslim.

He was just talking about spirituality in general, right? Just spirituality, life and power versus force, transcending levels of conscience, you being more aware, you being more awake, right? So hopelessness is just a state of consciousness, right? When you feel hopeless, there's a certain mentality, certain moods, or certain feelings that's attracted to that. As you become aware and more awakened, you become more loving and more grateful and thankful, your mind and how you feel towards the world just starts to change.

These are just things I went through. I think every individual needs to do something physical. I don't give a fuck if he's jogging. I don't think what fuck if he's biking. I don't give a fuck whatever it is, lifting heavy weights, struggling. I think go play fucking basketball. Go play hockey. Go rollerblade.

I think everybody should be exerting something to sweat to just basically pick up your endorphins and you naturally feel better about yourself. I don't care who you are. I don't care what sort of condition that you are in. And at that space, I think you need to do something that's meaningful, right? I think people trick themselves into believing that every action they have to take

has to bring money for something. I think, like, as great as money can be in America, and rewind the shit because it's real, because this is how I got out of my own fucking way. Do shit you enjoy doing. Like, things that you really just enjoy doing, like what you enjoy doing, how you make money are two different things.

You need to learn how to make money because you have to live in America. You have to have some sort of like financial stability, but you have to do shit you enjoy doing. You know what I like to do? I like to hit the heavy bag every fucking day. So you know what I do? I hit the heavy bag every fucking day. Every day. Right?

When I get off on this call, I have something else to do like that, but I schedule a gap. I'm going to go down here for 10 rounds. I'm going to hit the heavy bag and I enjoy hitting the fucking heavy bag. And that is like the coolest shit in the world to me. I just enjoy the effort it takes to hit the fucking heavy bag. I like to run in the morning. But for a person to say that they're hopeless, these are things that don't cost money.

These are things that take personal effort. These are things that you can just start to put rigor and discipline in your life. And from that, just implementing that discipline, implementing fucking personal discipline, let me write my thoughts down, let me write my goals down, let me write my direction, even if you don't have some elaborate role, right? So you can take over 10 years. I just say, hey, man, I want to be here to, like, just think about this.

Go look 15 years ago and ask yourself, do you ever see me fucking own in the medical practice? No. But you make yourself a little bit better, right? And what happens? Somebody sees you. Do you make yourself a little bit better? And then somebody sees you. Do you make yourself a little bit better than you get momentum?

And then over the years, I tell you this too, this actually fucking helps. Quit doing everything for money and quit thinking that you have to be somewhere at some time. Like, I'm 30-something and I have to be doing this. I'm 30-something and I have to be living in this house. Create anxiety and it blocks enjoyment and kind of blocks the process of growth, right? Where you, you know, don't make a definitive timeline. Just it's a progressive. It completely resonates with it.

So just think about this, right? So we want to build this massive company, right? So what if I woke up and we just had this massive company, right? had this massive company today. What would I do? I would still do the same shit. I would still go hit the heavy bag. I would still get up in the morning to run, but I would have missed the whole journey. Like half of our jokes between me and our business partners, right? So just think about this. Half of our jokes is talking about the shit that we're going through. You know what I'm saying? Like, could you believe this? Could you believe that? Could you believe this? Like, that's the

fucking, that's the, like, that's the joy, like talking about, like, we, we have conversations. of like how we even came together as a group and who was filling who out and who we're making jokes about personalities of shit you know what I'm saying but that's the joy you don't if you don't go to the wrong exit right if you don't go to the wrong exit it's a different if we're doing this from we're doing this from prison that's what we're doing we're doing this from prison if you don't go to the wrong age it's crazy do you feel I'm coming from that day so I'm so reflective in my life. So I actually, if you want to credit that thing, Charlie Munger's old Charlie's Almanac, Warren Buffett's partner, he said you don't start living life until you can retrace the life

and connect every moment. He says, you don't even understand it. So I spend more time reflecting and trying to take all moments in how they got here, all moments in how I got this thinking, how do I do that? If you haven't read it, old Charlie's omelps. that is a beautiful fucking book with a bunch of wisdom. And if you're like, even on Instagram, I don't know who runs his account because I know he doesn't want, he doesn't run it,

but somebody takes his quotes, Charlie Munger's quote to just a bunch of life wisdom, right? And it's really the wisdom that him and Warren Buffett kind of invest in how they become Berkshire fucking Hathaway, right? But it's just like, like beautiful thinking, modern day philosophy. You know what I'm saying?

Um, just, just beautiful fucking thinking, bro. You know what I'm saying? But like, that's that, like that's, to me, that's life. You know what I mean? That's how you get out the fucking funk. And like do something you enjoy. I'm going to tell you as an adult. You know what I like fucking doing too?

I will go on a three hour walk. Just go walk. Nothing else. I don't need no music. I don't need nothing. I don't need anything else. I'll put on my fucking sneakers. I put on some shorts.

I throw on a t-shirt. And I'll just go walk. And literally, I will appreciate just the architecture of the neighborhood. I say, okay, these cool. These people, they like these type of windows. Like, okay, they could have did better with their paint because their shingles don't match the paint, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't match the trim, right?

Just this simple. I call fucking true green out. I said, my lawn isn't looking the way I want to just because I just appreciate a fucking green lawn. But I don't, you know, like, you couldn't have been in the fucking courtroom talking about a green line, bro. You know what I'm saying? But that's the beauty of it all.

You grow and you experience and you just start to get different activities. And I don't go to fuck where you're at, bro. like no matter how depressed somebody is man you can fucking make it through any situation and and i'll tell you this they don't want to believe me but learn to get your ass in the bed early you know you don't fucking need to be up at night i'm fucking in the bed at 9 930 you know what mean and um helps me out last thing um Danny got a hold of you brought you in I have hundreds of coaches listen to this pod somebody wants to bring you in wants to connect with you direct message the best way what's the best way to get you

Listen to me. That's how they get in touch with me. It's simple. Like you can get it. So like this, I'm professional. And I'll come to your event. I'll tell you like this. I'll come to your event.

I'll come to university. I'll be professional. But there's no big, I don't have like a huge staff. There's no layer. There's no layer. You'll have to call the guy. I'm going to call the guy.

Let me see if I can get them. I don't know. I don't know. No. No. And I'll tell you this just for speaking from experience. I don't check Twitter all the time. So if a person hits me,

Yep, and it takes me like a few to get back. But I'll talk like this. My personal email is M. Claret 1-3 at Gmail.com. That comes directly to my phone. I probably check emails and text messages more than I check Instagram direct message or Twitter direct message. I'm like at the end of the night, if I'm not doing something, I'll tune into that stuff. But those are probably the easiest way.

It's just either through Twitter, Instagram, or M. Claret-13 at gmail.com. I cannot tell you how thankful I am that we connected. I'd love to do this in person. Love to do this in person. I'm actually funny, you mention ACL. I'll get my ACL cut on tomorrow. I never been hurt before. No, you remember you told me.

No, no. So you was walking into the practice last. Yeah, yeah. I said, I'm a man dedicated. Yeah. So, so, but I will, when I get right, I'm going to get up and I'm going to get out to Columbus and get my ass up. I'm going to work out with you.

We have to have you back. Huh? I'm in California. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. There's good.

There's some bad. As, as you know. As everybody knows, yeah. Appreciate your time so much. I hope you have a great day. Got you so much for doing.

All right. Wow, that was a lot, right? In talking to Mo, I just feel like I'm the worst red person on Earth. I'm like going to pick up like five books

right now and get to plow through them. Okay, maybe not. I'll do books on tape. But I cannot thank him enough for his words of inspiration and for all of his thoughts. And I think if you listen to all three parts, boy, you're sitting there going like, that guy, that's an incredible story. He's only 37. He's got like 50, 60 more years to live on this planet. What do we do next?

It's pretty amazing. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much to Maurice Claret for sharing his story. Remember, you can listen to the Doug Gottlieb show daily, three to six Eastern, 12 to the three Pacific. your iHeartRadio app, Fox SportsRadio.com, your Fox Sports Radio affiliate, or SiriusXM 217 or 203.

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