The Herd with Colin Cowherd - All Ball - Stephen F. Austin's Duke Takedown; Luka Doncic Potential; Analyst Mike O'Donnell, Chicago Trib Writer Teddy Greenstein
Episode Date: November 28, 2019This week, Gottlieb gives his thoughts on Stephen F. Austin's unexpected upset of #1 Duke at Cameron Indoor, the secret to beating the Blue Devils, how college basketball is building next year's NBA d...raft picks' brands, and why Luka Doncic could be this generation's Larry Bird. Doug is also joined by CBS college hoops analyst Mike O'Donnell breaks down Stephen F. Austin's Duke upset, his top one-and-done freshman, top team, and his most over and underrated teams. Chicago Tribune writer on the latest version of the Bulls' rebuild, and if Zach Lavine can be a true franchise player. He also answers listener questions, Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Man, we got two really good guests for you.
My man Mike O'Donnell is going to join us.
He works for CBS Sports.
Also does some games for
ESPN. He's got fabulous insight. We'll get you kind of caught up on the Duke loss or maybe more
importantly, the Stephen F. Austin win. And then Teddy Greenstein's going to join us. Great friend of
mine, long time writer for the Chicago Tribune. You can read his work at chicagosports.com.
And good dude. And I just, I want his perspective. He was at the Bulls Lakers game,
being a guy who covered the bulls back when the bulls were the bulls.
And it just his thoughts on that.
I want to give you a couple of quick thoughts.
Like Duke loses.
And there's some lessons here.
We have lots of college basketball coaches, high school coaches, just hoop people who watch.
And I spent some time with Jim Laranaga.
This is like, man, four or five years ago.
And you look, in Miami has had a disproportionate amount of success against Duke
as opposed to some of the other lead teams they played
and other teams playing against Duke.
And so I asked him, like, what's the secret?
And he's like, middle ball screen, middle ball screen.
I was like, well, that's it.
It's like, well, look, the way Duke plays, you can't run offense.
Especially when you play them at their place,
they get away with just being physical and moving you all over the place.
And look,
If you want to beat them, you can't run offense.
What you want to do, though, is they usually have, you know, a Jalilu Kofor,
a Zubak.
I mean, you pick the big guy they've had.
They've had a lot of talented guys playing center.
Oftentimes big, sometimes big white stiff.
Sometimes it's a big white athlete who's an NBA player.
It doesn't matter.
But what we want is we want to engage that guy in 100 ball screens.
If we can do that, we can wear him down.
we can get him into foul trouble
and we don't have to run offense.
We just had to get our best downhill player,
best ball screen player,
and attack on those middle ball screens
because they don't want to help,
they want to get steals,
they want to get out and get dunks.
That's how they play.
Did you watch what Stephen F. Austin did yesterday?
They got their best player in middle ball screens.
I'm sorry, this is,
by the time of this recording,
that will be two nights removed, right?
Or two days essentially removed.
But sometimes there's one,
You can't play to you.
Now it helped that for Stephen F. Austin,
defensively climbing into them,
that is their style.
They didn't have to change who they were.
But offensively, and this is kind of their style,
they just played middle ball screen.
Middle ball screen, middle ball screen, middle ball screen,
middle ball screen with our best player, and play off of that.
And it was enough.
So I think that's,
one, fascinating.
Two, it's a Jim Lernaga idea.
And I know Kyle Keller didn't call Jim Lernaga.
And three, when you're looking for teams that can beat Duke,
the teams that have to run offense to generate offense,
then ain't going to be the devils.
Not going to happen.
I also think that there's something else fascinating
that's happening that game.
It revolves around Nathan Bain,
and it also relates to Anthony Edwards.
Let me get to both of them here.
We'll start with Bain, then we'll go to Edwards.
So Nathan Bain made the game-winning layup
for Stephen F. Austin against Duke.
And look, I know the coach Stephen of Austin, Kyle Keller.
He's a good friend of mine.
I didn't know that, you know, where he's from in the Bahamas, they had a terrible hurricane,
and his parents' house, their church, their school was all wiped out, and there was a GoFundMe page.
Didn't know.
Since the win, the GoFundMe page at the time of this recording has gone from like a couple thousand dollars,
then $2,000 to like $60,000 donated.
Then I watched Anthony Edwards, who, any of us who know basketball, like I did this, there's a camp,
the Pango's camp. Dino Stragonis runs it. It's at Cerritos College. And I coached,
although they don't let you coach as much as I want to coach. But you coached in the Pangoose camp.
And I had Johnny Juzang, who of course, and I had some of these other guys that are
that are currently playing in college basketball as freshman. And Johnny Zuzang turned
around and got dunked on by a dude. I was like, who is that monster guard? Six five,
two, ten. And they're like, that's Anthony.
Edwards. At the time, he was a rising sophomore going to be a junior.
And I was like, that's a monster. Of course, he, uh, he ended up going to college a year early.
He's going to be a top five pick. And you watch him and you start to figure like, oh, well, that's
what all the hype is about if you haven't paid attention to high school basketball recruiting or
any of these draft boards. But my point has always been with this podcast is what college
basketball does for you in terms of your profile.
If we eliminate even the education, which I don't know why we do, I thought that was
what the whole fight was over, you know, and we eliminate just getting into school, which
so many of us would never have been able to get into these schools, especially now when
it's hyper, hyper competitive.
And we just look at the basketball side to it, forget the training, forget the coaching,
and just look at the promotion.
Think of Anthony Edwards.
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Had you seen him play before he went off for 34 in the second half against Michigan State?
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Part of what we have to make sure we understand and appreciate in terms of TV.
It's a nonstop promotion of these players, which helps.
them benefit financially.
And anybody who says otherwise, I'll just call you a liar.
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If you have, you know, did you know who Obie Toppin was?
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No, and I don't know if he'll end up being as good as he's played.
I think the answer is yes, but I don't know.
But playing in the Maui Invitational is great promotion for his brand.
Again, that's what college basketball does.
So we can sit here and say the value is in the name and the likeness and they should be getting paid for it.
My point has always been like, hey, whatever name and likeness value you have, it's grown exponentially.
by playing with the uniform of somebody we respect on TV that we're watching.
Just take a look at Obie Toppin, take a look at Anthony Edwards.
Or take a look at Nathan Bain's GoFundMe page and how much money has been raised
simply because they won one game on the road against Duke.
People found out about it, found out about the GoFundMe page.
Some people want to pay them back if you're at NC State or a Carolina or a Wake Forest fan.
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Everyone's talking about Luca.
And at the time it's recording, on a Tuesday night, Luca kind of got embarrassed at the hands of the clippers.
Now, look, this is, it's an important thing to recognize.
I think Luca Donchick's going to be fine.
It's going to be a hell of a player.
You had a tough night against guys that are as tall, as long or longer.
and more athletic, and they got after him.
I mean, that's, you know, when you're the clippers,
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and they clearly found a reason that they were motivated.
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There's NBA games that matter,
and then there's every other NBA game.
And I think it's fascinating to watch.
We see this at the end of every season, right?
There's a guy who goes out and puts up huge numbers,
but he's playing against G-League players.
or young guys and teams are trying to tank.
And it's hard to determine how good somebody really is
because their numbers are outstanding,
but the level of competition in a certain time of year
against a certain team isn't that good.
Some games don't have the same buzz.
I would still have LeBron James is my MVP.
And look, this is a guy from a guy, me,
who said LeBron isn't the best player on his own team,
ask LeBron, but I think he's playing once again
like the best player in his own team.
Yes, he lets Anthony Davis go get his.
Yes, Anthony Davis defends the rim, and Anthony Davis is more in his prime.
But LeBron quarterbacks that defense.
They have the best record in the NBA, and there isn't a game.
There are games in which athletically he doesn't have the step or the power that he used to have,
but there's so much else to his game, and he is still so strong and athletic.
Luke is just not there yet.
Just not there yet.
So I wouldn't have put him even before last.
night's game is the MVP, but I don't think it's crazy to think Luca John Chick is a top
10 player.
You put him alongside James Harden, Janice, obviously Steph Curry is healthy.
Step Curry is a top 10 player, but he's not, so we won't put him in that list.
Kauai Leonard's right there as a top five player.
You start to go through these guys like, man, they're super duper, Kyrie Irving, talented.
I think that as much as we love, we love.
I love Trey Young, and Trey Young is better than anyone could have guessed.
It's also fair to say that Trey Young, because of his lack of size, and some of its defensive, intangibles and energy, he's got a jump shot.
He can really pass.
Offensively, he can be amazing.
But he's a, at times can be a zero-sum player because that's the guy you go after.
I do think he has a chance to be Steph Curry light.
I'm not sure he'll ever be Steph Curry.
I mean, to be a two-time MVP, probably not.
Luca, on the other hand, could be this era's Larry Bird.
This Harris, Larry Bird.
And I know that Larry played more in the post, but the size, kind of a weird body, not a great athlete for the NBA, but gets open, gets shots, as all the tricks in the bag can really pass.
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All right, let's welcome him in.
Michael Donald joins us on the All-Ball podcast.
Mike, let me start with last night.
What's your reaction to Duke,
getting beaten at home by Stephen F. Austin?
A year of parody in college basketball, loved it.
And, you know, my favorite thing about it
is actually everybody's saying that
this is just a terrible upset by Duke.
Stephen F. Austin leads the country in forced turnovers for games.
and I thought it's interesting.
I kind of harken back to that Evansville, Kentucky game.
Usually when you see Cinderella beat the Power 5 opponents,
it's done at the three-point line getting hot, both Evansville and Stephen F. Austin,
it was a little bit of backyard one-on-one.
I'm going to beat you in the driveway to the rim.
With everything, it's just off the dribble points in the paint.
It's kind of the odd way to beat the powerhouse,
but I loved it.
Stephen of Austin is way better than I think people think.
They just don't recognize the name.
Pretty cool night in college basketball as far as I'm concerned.
I think people recognize the name from the NCAA term run a couple years ago,
and many of these are players, though, you know,
obviously Kyle Keller, a different head coach,
have been recruited in the backs of that name.
But I also think that it points to two things with Duke.
One, if you can play through their pressure and get to the rim, you know,
I mean, it's the old, it's the,
like Miami, this is always their game plan when they play Duke.
You know, put their big guy in a million ball screens and attack,
just spread them out and play.
And you can't run plays against them.
That doesn't work.
And the second thing is they only have one true ball handler.
You know, that's it.
So.
A lot of times when you look at a team like Duke in Kentucky,
it's all about, right, you're used to those teams applying the pressure.
When you get punched back in the face,
sometimes pressure, it's not a welcome thing from a team who press,
is a lot. And I think it seemed like Stephen of Austin just, it was a little bit of punch back in
the mouth. And just the defense for Stephen of Austin was really good, but the turnos for Duke
where some of half of those were just totally excusable.
Okay. So the other part of Duke is they only have one true ball handler, right? That's it.
They got one true ball handler. And, you know, I think that got exposed when Tray Jones turns
the ball over a bunch. That's right. And also when you, when you recruit for one and done
and your point guard leaves, your playmaker leaves, I'm not just talking to the way for Duke.
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man, he running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball.
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But if you don't reload at the point guard position, if a point card goes somewhere else,
that he's only going to be a one-and-done guy, that's what you're going to have.
And really, again, this Duke team is very susceptible to pressure.
and they will turn the ball over.
And if you can expose that,
if you can honestly hone in on taking away every single possession.
Like each possession, you're like,
we can have an opportunity to force a turnover.
I think you'll get a great result.
I can see Virginia beating this Duke team by 20 this season.
I don't know how Duke is going to be able to score against Virginia come conference play.
That's going to be a fascinating game.
Okay. When we look at these freshmen, which one do you like the best?
That's a great question. I'm kind of going back to, I don't know if I've seen a score like Anthony Edwards,
and I know that that's new and it's fresh, and he just destroyed that second half.
And I think a lot of times we look back and we say, well, it's just because that's what he's,
That's what he's done lately.
He didn't have, you know, his first couple of games were great.
But the shots he was making, and I get that players get hot.
But the difference between good college players and pro players
is the ability to make contested jump shots.
And when I watch Anthony Edwards' game,
I don't see a lot of players that can efficiently score
and make contested jump shots because that's what the NBA is all about.
And so I'm a big fan of Edwards.
I think probably James Wiseman is a close.
second there. It's probably going to be a coin flip between one of those two players.
More so than Cole Anthony.
Yeah, I think, yeah, because Edwards doesn't have as much help as Cole Anthony does.
I'm not saying that North Carolina is loaded.
But I think Edwards has to make shots all by himself when he's going to face
probably more double teams, more in-gap defense than maybe Col Anthony was just because
there's better wing players or better post players for North Carolina.
I mean, Cole Anthony's probably at worst going to be the third or fourth pick in the draft.
But after that performance last night and the fact that Georgia just doesn't have,
they don't have the horses in North Carolina does.
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If you can make contested shots and you're the only one doing it, that's a big deal.
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Am I crazy to think that Louisville is the best team?
They're really good.
you're not crazy to think that Louisville is the best team because I don't think anybody has a clue
who the best team is. If you're asking me who the best team, the best overall college basketball team is right now,
it's Virginia. I just don't see they, everybody hates watching them play because the games are in the 40s and 50s.
You know, if that, but I don't know if there's a team because there's not this just great offensive firepower.
There's not this one player that's just absolutely destroying people consistently.
I don't know if there's a team in the country that can beat Virginia the way they're playing half-court defense.
It's remarkable.
I would say Louisville and Virginia are my two favorite teams in college basketball in terms of just being above, far and above everybody else.
Yeah.
I mean, look, and we haven't even seen all of, you know, all of what Louisville has to offer.
I mean, that's maybe the most impressive part is as good as they look now.
They're going to get, you know, they're going to get even better, you know, really, really,
soon as, you know, they work in two kind of ridiculous talents, David Johnson and Malik Williams.
Like Malik Williams is their best defender.
David Johnson, who's just now playing, is a pro.
They're going to be really, really good.
You and I get a chance to cover Conference USA basketball, other smaller conferences.
We mentioned Stephen F. Austin.
Conference USA, let's start specifically there this year.
The best team is who?
Oh, man, right now, I still, it's West.
to Kentucky, you know, I actually have their game next weekend for CBS Sports.
They play Arkansas at their place.
It's going to be an awesome test for both teams.
I think Arkansas, excuse me, West Kentucky is the best team in Conference of U.S.
USA.
I think Charles Bassi is probably the best overall player in Congress, USA is the best NBA prospect.
My favorite thing about Western Kentucky is they have a lot of new role players on their team.
but their defense is stouts.
It's strong.
You can't get anything around the rim.
You're going to make contested three-point shots.
And the defense of Western Kentucky, really for the first time,
we've kind of always thought they were the most talented team.
But for the first time, we can say,
I think I can say that they have an identity,
and that identity is defense.
And it's very tough for them to get shots,
for opponents to get shots off, especially around the rim,
because BASI is having the year this year.
that I think we thought he was going to have last year.
Okay.
I mean, I'm going to take U-TEP.
And, you know, Bryson Williams, who's the transfer from Fresno State,
Jordan Lathan, who is going to go to Northwestern,
now ends up, you know, he's his second year there.
You know, I think Darrow Edwards is a good player as well as a grad transfer.
You play Northwest Florida State, which is a really good junior college program,
another Fresno guy.
So, you know, I'm going to go, I'm going to go U-TEP,
kind of remarkable how quickly they've turned that.
thing around. There's no doubt. I remember
I remember I played in Congress. I played at UCF, and it
seems as if UTEP was that program that
they have a year and you're like, is this the year that they
turn and become, you know, a legitimate contender
and have those kind of mid-major rankings.
And the way that they're playing this year, really
good. Now, you've got to give, I kind of hate saying this
phrase, and I'm sorry, but you've got to
give a ton of credit to that staff because
what you just said alluding to
Conference USA could be the conference that
you can have a great mid-major
team if you build through transfers
and I think I think
what you said earlier is a really good point
if you can build through transfers and conference
USA that's a league
eventually that could become
every other year they could have
two bids in the league I actually
think that FIU
is going to be that program that
That next program that's going to take the big jump in Conference USA,
that's one of the fastest teams in the country.
FIU, FAU, FAU, the two four schools in Comanche USA are going to do some damage here, I think, in the future.
No question.
All right.
Is there anyone else that we haven't dismissed anyone else a smaller conference school that we should watch out for?
Oh, man, Colt Charleston.
I just did their game versus UCF, and I think I'm getting yelled at for being a Grant Reiller-Homer.
don't really care.
I think he, outside of Marcus Howard, outside of Col Anthony, he's the best score in college
basketball.
He regularly faces double teams.
One of the reasons why he doesn't necessarily get a lot of credit, I think, is because
he's a senior.
He's actually a redshirt senior.
He beat out Antonio Blakely in high school for Central Florida player of the year and was
a two-star recruit.
And his best offer was Charleston coming out of
high school, average 29 points a game.
I haven't seen a player be that efficient in the half court.
Doug, if you haven't seen him play, and you just got to hankering to watch some
college of Charleston hoops and telling you, you're in for a treat.
He's over 20 points a game.
He plays at three levels, right?
Most guys, either three-pointers or layups.
He has the mid-range game.
Big player comp for him is C.J. McCollum.
I think the way he utilizes ball screens, he comes out downscreens.
one of the smartest scores I've seen in college troops,
and I think Charleston, and they were up on Oklahoma State at home,
before Oklahoma State made a quick little run.
That's a team that I would hate.
If they're a 13, 14 team in the tournament after they win the Colonial,
I would be nervous as all get out,
having a prep for Riller and College, Charleston,
because he is the guy that can go for 30 any given night.
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I saw that game as well.
I was a little alarmed by their collapse against Oklahoma State, but haven't seen him.
CJ McCullum, do you think he's a top 15 pick?
I don't think he will go in the top 15,
but I think he's a top 15 player in college basketball.
I do see Grant Riller going late in the first round.
I think what hurt him the most, actually,
is that he didn't test the NBA waters over the summer last season.
I asked him about that.
I asked him about that.
I asked their SID.
I asked their coach, Earl Clark, who's a fantastic coach.
And they said he's so committed to college of Charleston
and getting back to the NCAA tournament
that he didn't want any distractions during the summer.
I mean, this is just, he was, he was an NBA prospect last season,
and last year's draft was loaded, and I get it.
But this is like this, he's a rare, really quiet, humble kid that's, I don't think
we've seen very often to where he cares about College of Charleston just as much about getting
his points up, kind of a rare thing called Shoupes.
And I think that hurt him as not getting tested, kind of getting an idea.
But late first round, Doug, I'm telling you, that'll be to steal the draft as Grant Riller of
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All right. Last thing, the high major team
that's not getting enough love.
Oh, man. I think, I don't think we're talking about
Auburn enough in the SEC.
I don't think anybody thought they were going to be this good.
And the way that they're competing on the defensive end is kind of,
we take a step back and we look at it and you lose all those pieces from that
awesome run last season. And there's no way Coach Peril can pull it.
there's no way with all the controversy around the program.
They're going to be able to avoid distractions.
And Auburn is going to be a legit factor in the SEC
because Florida is overrated.
Kentucky is still really good.
Tennessee is always good to Rick Barnes.
But I think Auburn might be the second or third best team in the SEC.
They're playing that well.
SEC is kind of a weird conference because just as much as I'm saying about
Auburn, I can say the same thing about Arkansas,
is Muslim inherited a team.
that had a few pieces, Isaiah Joe, who's actually one of the best three-point shooters in the country,
but Arkansas, their defense is legit.
I think they're the best defensive team in the SEC from a half-court standpoint.
But I think Auburn, the way that they score, their offensive smooth,
and they run and run and just completely kind of demoralize you from their conditioning and effort standpoint.
I think we're not talking about Auburn, no.
Yeah, and they am thoroughly embarrassed in Mexico.
They beat a really good and previously undefeated Richmond squad.
I still think, you know, look, we'll see step up and level of competition once they get into conference play, right?
Like St. Louis is decent.
NC State is decent, but we don't see them go against anybody legit until Florida on the road in January.
And I think it's because Bruce knew he was going to have to retool things.
But with all these veterans to go along with the freshman, you know, he may be.
Yeah.
And Isaac Acorro is going to come along.
long, like, continues to take leaps and bounds.
I think they've got a chance to be pretty damn good.
I don't know if they're as good as their record because of the level of competition
and some of those seniors are ahead of the curve, but I think they're really good.
But there's something to be said, Doug, and you know this from the scheduling standpoint,
you know, that's a smart move by Bruce Pearl.
I mean, there are pieces there that that team can be really good,
but you know how important confidence is in college troops.
That's why it's different than college football.
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You lead that into conference play.
I don't care if it's cliche.
It matters if you're playing officially and you're having fun.
And that's a big deal leading into especially the grind of the SEC.
Mike, thanks so much for your time.
And look forward to seeing you during that game.
And thanks for being our guest.
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And Teddy, you went to the Lakers Bulls game.
You've worked.
How long have you worked for the paper?
It's like 20 years now, right?
Well, we mark my Tribune beginning from the time I called you.
Seriously, man.
You were one of my first stories.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Oh, man, 23 years.
So, again, and here's what I remember about that year was while I was at Notre Dame,
the Bulls actually played an exhibition game at the Joy Center, right?
I remember that.
I wasn't there, but I believe you.
What happened?
Against the Sonic.
So here's my question.
What was it like?
Like what I know what a Laker experience is like in L.A.
as people are, there's a little bit of a renaissance here, and then there's the, oh, my gosh,
maybe I like the clippers better.
What was it like to be in the house that Jordan built when the brawn comes in wearing 23 with his 13?
Well, first, I'm tempted to ask you who you had in that Bulls sonic scrimmage.
I think the Bulls were favored by 14 and a half.
Yeah.
That was a memory.
It was amazing.
And I just kind of say, like, one of the cool things about covering Bulls games is they have the media on the end line.
Like in a lot of places where, you know, up in the 200, 300, 500 level or whatever.
But in this case, we're down on the floor.
And, yeah, I mean, it's pretty amazing to be 20 feet from, you know, both LeBron and Anthony Davis when that show comes to town.
Now, the Bulls obviously had their way early, and it was like, wow, is this going to be the game that flips their season?
And then L.A. just shut it down with 16-point run there to start the fourth quarter.
And it was back to the kind of LOL bowls, which is how they've been this year.
But, yeah, there was a lot of sizzle in that arena.
And you do feel honored a lot of ways when you're seeing LeBron live.
Yeah.
Any idea?
Anthony Davis had some weird comments about wanting to play in Chicago being a free agent.
Was that just being nice?
Yeah, you know, he went to an event the day before.
that game, Doug, and
he was speaking to, I think, maybe some
school kids, and one of them asked
him, and, uh,
Yeah, like, what's he supposed to say when a school
kids is like, do you want to come back home and play?
Like, no, kid, I don't like your town.
It's too cold. Your team stinks.
I'm playing for the Lakers now.
Exactly. I think he was just being
a nice guy and just kind of nodding along
and it's like, oh yeah, we all love coming home.
So the next day we're at the shoot around
and the first question to Anthony is, oh,
yesterday you said you'd be open to coming
back here. And his response was like, no, I didn't. So I think we know, I think we know from
seeing the recent past, not a lot of guys want to play for the Bulls. It's been struggling.
It's been telling it's been troubling and it's been a problem. Like, you think they all want to
come back and see if they could try to relive the glory days, but, you know, the Pippin,
Horace Grant Jordan, Glory Days. And not a lot of guys want to do it, which is why they were
stuck with, you know, signing Carlos Boozer a bunch of years ago.
instead of a bigger name.
So, no, I don't think we'll be seeing Anthony Davis back home.
Yeah, you know, what's fascinating about it is that they,
those guys weren't alive, right?
I mean, like, some of those guys weren't alive during at least the first run,
if not the second run of the Bulls.
Yeah, so there's that.
And I just think that people feel like there's dysfunction in the Bulls front office.
And, you know, they have Fred Hoyberg.
They really don't even give him a shot because he coaches a bunch of teams
that are either not space and pace type teams or that have injuries.
And then all of a sudden the team is getting healthy last year and they fire him.
So they bring it Jim Boylan.
Jim Boylan immediately starts going to these sort of old school methods and practice.
They're joking about, you know, calisthenics and push-ups and sit-ups and all that kind of stuff.
And there's a team rebellion in the first 48 hours.
So I think free agents are just kind of like, eh, I don't want to be a part of that.
Last thing, Zach Levine, he obviously has a world of talent.
Yes.
Can they win because of that talent?
I mean, I like Zach.
He's had a lot of bad games this year.
He also obviously had the ridiculous game in Charlotte the other day
where he hit, I think, three threes in the final 40-something seconds.
He's got the talent.
He's got the offensive ability.
You know, the thing with him is he's just tagged as a poor defensive player.
It's not so much on the ball defense.
It's more just off the ball defense where he kind of falls asleep
and sometimes lets his guys just, you know, cut to the hoop.
So I'd like to think they can win with that.
He is a great personality.
keep be really good for Chicago as a star or a superstar.
Obviously, he loved to be an all-star this year with the game being in Chicago, the
All-Star game.
But it just hasn't happened yet.
He's a second-tier guy and needs to do some things to become a better overall player.
Awesome stuff, Teddy.
Thanks for the perspective and joining us.
Last thing, are you allowed to vote LeBron if I go Jordan and LeBron?
I mean, if I want to survive the weekend, I don't think I am.
but I guess my thought is maybe LeBron's a slightly better individual player,
but I'm still going, you know, I'm still going big picture, MJ, man.
I think he did it in an era when it was so much harder to score,
and that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Fair enough.
Well, you write stories, and they're all true, too.
They're not fiction.
Both of them.
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This is from Brian at Wrigley Hawk, who should be number one in men's hoops.
My answer is Louisville.
Here's why.
If you haven't been paying attention, David Johnson and Malik Williams, David Johnson's barely
play, Malik Williams is going to play.
Malik Williams is their best defender.
David Johnson's going to be a pro.
And I think Louisville is good, and they're going to get better.
one of the things you'll hear this year in college basketball is there's no dominant team
I think the translation that is Duke's not dominant
Carolina's not dominant right
Michigan state's not dominant Kentucky's not dominant
Kansas is not dominant
but I think that Louisville remember number one recruiting class in the country
going back to last year you also bring back two or three of your best players
from last season warra I love Stephen Enoch
you add in fresh Kimball,
and then eventually you have David Johnson,
Malik Williams,
playing at minimum 20 minutes a game each.
Louisville, that's why they've been my number one team so far this season.
All right, this question, again,
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What are your thoughts on lamello ball as a prospect?
All right, here's the deal with lamello.
I think his dad hurts him.
He won't be the number one overall pick.
No matter how good he is,
and he's playing really well.
in Australia.
As a matter how good he is, we're not blind to this,
that his dad really hurt Lanzo's relationships with the L.A. Lakers.
He just did.
He wouldn't shut up.
They kept telling him to shut up.
Now, his dad has been completely out of the spotlight this year.
And there's a reason to it because he's gotten the feedback of,
hey, nobody wants to deal with you.
You're going to hurt your kid.
And he's smartly stepped aside.
By the way, send him in play in Australia.
Great.
Because they're coaching him.
And he's a magician off the moment.
ball screen. He plays with great ease and great pace.
And there's going to be questions about whether or not he will play defense.
He's obviously much, much longer and appears to shoot the ball better than his brother.
Doesn't have the pronounce hitch in his shot.
I think LaBello ball is going to be a top five pick.
I don't think it'll be the number one in pick.
And people who are avoiding the elephant in the room, which is his dad's a pain in the
ass. People don't want to deal with him.
The last thing you want to do is have a top prospect you draft and you're trying to
work with him and the dad gets in on the commentary.
They don't want to deal with it.
So it's going to have to be the right organization, but I do think that the talent is hard
to deny.
I would also say that part of our infatuation with him is the fact that he's up until
really this week.
He's been the only top prospect playing that we can see.
Now that you see Cole Anthony and Anthony Edwards and James Wiseman and some of the others,
you start to go like, oh, that's the group that will produce the number one overall.
I'll pick. But the dad hurts him. I don't think anybody
thinks otherwise. Even if 6'4.7 point guard can handle it, can pass
it, can shoot it? Can he guard?
And what happens when people get into him?
You really don't see, but he is playing against grown men and doing well in Australia.
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we'll try and continue to update you on things.
Next week, we'll have a more clear picture.
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Last night, a blown call changed a game.
This morning, the internet lost its mind.
And nobody's telling you exactly what happened.
That's where Sports Slice comes in.
I'm Timbo.
And every episode, we're cutting through the noise,
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And we're going straight to the source,
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Their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment,
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Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy,
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Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.
Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman
help make you funnier.
This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day
and head writer Streeter Seidel,
help an a cappella band with their between songs
banter. Where does your group perform?
We do some retirement homes.
Those people are starving for banter.
Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends
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Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to
learn the hard way with your favorite therapist
and host Kear Games. This space
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having honest conversations that's really not safe to have
anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed
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It signals to the world that you not to be played with.
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What's up, guys?
This is Cliver Taylor the 4th.
And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff.
Like being an internet famous referee.
We're in the middle of a game.
This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me.
He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.
What?
Time out.
Quarterback on office blue with 42.
Hey, Wreck, my mama want you to weigh better.
What?
Where's she at?
Hey, Miss Parker.
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