The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Anthony Davis, Lakers, Jared Goff, and Kyrie Irving

Episode Date: January 29, 2019

Colin discusses why New Orleans Pelicans F Anthony Davis isn't as great as some people think, why teams shouldn't be upset with the Los Angeles Lakers, why Los Angeles Rams QB Jared Goff is better than New England Patriots QB Tom Brady at this point in his career, and why Boston Celtics G Kyrie Irving is a flake. Guests include Albert Breer, Jeff Garcia, and Chris Haynes. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, Joy Taylor is joining me, Albert Brewer, Jeff Garcia today, Troy Brown, former Patriot Great. Chris Haynes in studio. Joy, how are you? I'm doing great. Good morning. Before I get to the football, I want to start on this old Anthony Davis-Laker thing, this big story. So yesterday I got off and the show and I listened to sports radio and I was on social media. And I was watching cable television yesterday for like an hour. Everybody's, yeah, this is going to happen and that's going to happen and this is going to happen.

it was a whole bunch of nobody knows anything. That's what it was. It was a whole bunch of nobody really knows exactly what's going to happen. So this is what we do. We get very excited with big trades. I do too. It's fun. It's a better story.

I mean, Anthony Davis with LeBron's way better than Anthony Davis with New Orleans. He's been there for years. Who cares? So I like when stars join forces. I like it too. Here's what we know, though, about Anthony Davis. Okay, this isn't the glossy magazine cover. Let's be real.

Let's keep it 100. Number one is, with Boogie Cousins, a great all-star, he couldn't make the playoffs. Seven years, one playoff series win. Sorry if those facts get in the way of how you feel about it. Number two is, he's heard a lot, including currently. One year he played 61 games. 164, 167, 166. Big guys don't get healthier.

You do get that right. Number three is he shoots better from the outside, hits a three or two occasionally. But 70% of his baskets are right next to the hoop. You watch in the current NBA? This idea I'm going to give up everything for Anthony Davis. Let me ask you, LeBron in his 15th or 16th year in Anthony Davis, who doesn't, he's not Kevin Durant as a shooter. And I've given up everything else. What's that get me?

It'll be fun. I'm not saying it's not interesting. I'm not saying it's not really, really good. I'm not being Golden State. Let's be real about this. I've seen what LeBron James does to Big Man. I saw what he did to Anton Jameson. I saw what he did to Kevin Love.

And I saw what he did to Chris Bosch. He frustrated them. He made them into stretch fours. They got in the way of LeBron James. It's not like LeBron has a history. of he's great with Biggs. No, you know what LeBron's great with? Shooters. He's good with Kyle Corver. He was good when Bosch moved outside and could shoot threes. LeBron's always been great with shooters because he gets the ball. He drives the ball. He'd be great with Clay Thompson.

I said earlier he'd be great with Bradley Beale. I've seen LeBron James with big guys. I saw him with Anton Jameson. I saw him with Chris Bosch. I saw him with Kevin Love. He drove those guys batty. This idea I'm going to give up everything. Time out. The Lakers have worked hard to draft and developed as young core of players. They're not terrible. They're just not great players. But Lonzo Ball's got talent. I'm going to fight to keep him. If I have to give him a way to get AD, I would, but he's got value somewhere. Somebody needs a point guard who's got great vision and 6-5 and can rebound and hit threes. I'd fight to keep Kyle Kuzma. He can hit threes. Good player. Going to be an 18, 20-pointed game guy, right? I'm going to fight to keep

Josh Hart. High-functioning Villanova, high IQ can hit a three. This idea, we're just going to give away the house to get him. That's what the Knicks did with Carmelo. And then they found out, Carmelo was sitting around with no furniture around the house. Didn't have any pillows. Didn't have any end tables. There's Carmelo. Look at me.

I'm great. Big chandelier in middle of the house. We're going to sit on. We gave everything away. This is a business, folks. You don't give everything away for anybody. I saw a story yesterday. It was like, oh, the Knicks should give away this, this.

And I'm thinking, I'm the Knicks. I got Porzengas. I got Kevin Knox. And I have a chance. to get the number one pick in Zion Williamson. What about you didn't Anthony Davis for? That's going to be a really exciting team. That's going to be a playoff team.

Tell me one time Anthony Davis has been a solution to any major NBA dilemma. Wait a bit of the league seven years. I mean, I like him. But the Lakers worked hard to draft these players and scout these players and coach these players and develop these players. I'm not giving these guys away. I'm sitting there watching yesterday cable TV. sports shows and I'm on social media and the Angry Bird Twitter and I'm listening to radio and

a lot of talented people out there and there's a whole bunch of nobody knew anything. Let's just state the two things we absolutely know. And these can't be argued. And these are for sure. Number one, the Celtics can't trade for him yet. They can't. Under NBA restrictions, the Celtics cannot trade for him yet. Fact.

And number two. The Pelicans are pissed, and they're mad at LeBron, and they're mad at Clutch Sports, and they're mad at the Lakers, and they're not going to do them any favors. They're not going to do the Lakers any favors whatsoever. They're going to want Lonzo and want Kuzma and want Ingram and want picks and what they're going to want everything. So, you know, I understand getting excited about this stuff I really do. Let's put it in a little context. A little context.

All right, let me segue to this. Now we're going to talk Super Bowl. Everybody's got devices. Joy's got phone. I got phone. Goulet's got phone. Tui got phone. Everybody's got phone. I love phones, but I got kids.

I know what they're doing to my kids and I know what they're doing to me. I'm less patient. People don't let stuff marinate anymore. They don't let stuff bake. Jason Whitlock, says this about it, great lines, let's play it. Young people today, they just hate the oven. They hate baking in the oven.

Everybody thinks, hey, toss me in the microwave and I'm going to taste as good as something that was slow-cooked the way your mama used to make it. And it just isn't true. It's so true. Nobody wants to use the oven. We all want the microwave. Somebody came out to me yesterday and said,

yeah, I don't trust Jared Gough. Is he the future of the Rams? And I said, of course he's the future of the Rams. What I mean he's not the future of the Rams? Well, I mean, I watch him and I'm like, well, he's 14 and 3 on the road. You don't think Jared Gough is the future of the Rams? Well, I mean, I watch him. You know, I'm against New Orleans.

He wasn't. What? Let me remind you that we used to have before the iPhone patience. Give me Tom Brady's first Super Bowl. Oh, wait. That year he had an 86.5 passer rating, 18 TD's 12 picks. He wasn't elite. His second Super Bowl, two years later, he had 23 touchdowns, 12 picks, and an 85 passer rating completed 60% of his throws.

He was not a legend. His third Super Bowl in 2004, his passer rating was now 92, 28 TDs, but 14 picks. Tom Brady didn't emerge as a superstar until his fourth Super Bowl, which, by the way, with Randy Moss, he lost. That year, Tom was a legend. His passer rating was over 115. He completed 69% of his throws, 50 touchdowns, 8 picks. Did New England ever say, well, Brady's the guy? Folks, Tom Brady didn't peak until his seventh year in the league.

He was 30. That's when he was Tom. You know what, Brady. Our devices, our phones give us instant. gratification. We don't let anything marinate and anything bake. Gough, at this point in his career, is better than Tom Brady. He's got a better arm. He was a three-year starter in college and the number one pick. Tom was the 199th pick. Led by his defense, couldn't beat out Drew Henson in college. Jared Gough is not only the future of the Rams. At this point, he's better, doesn't have the rings,

but he's better than Tom Brady. You do remember that Peyton Manning didn't win a playoff, game until year six. Did the Colts want to bail on him? LeBron, we think of him as every year he's in the finals. First seven years got to one. Michael didn't get to a final until year seven. Tom Brady was finally Tom Brady in his fourth Super Bowl, which, by the way, is the first one he lost.

Jared Goff last weekend went into the loudest NFL stadium against a first ballot Hall of Famer and one of the NFL's top defenses. And my friends, Jared Goff, outplayed Drew Brees. Jerry Seinfeld created a show called Seinfeld. It was the best sitcom, in my opinion, ever. It was not very good the first year or two. Everybody loves Raymond. The network almost pulled it, but they let it marinate and they let it bake.

I love devices too, but they've created a sense of instant gratification. If you don't think Jared Goff is good and if you don't think he's the future, get off the phone, use the oven, walk past the microwave. He's really, really good, clearly capable of winning the Super Bowl, outplayed Drew Brees and is talented more so than Tom Brady at this point in his career. All right, good to have you in. Albert Breer this hour. I will say this as I'm listening to all this Anthony Davis-Lakers stuff,

it's just, it's crazy time, it's fun. I love it. I've always been for mobility, myself and for stars. I'm for the player in the NBA. Not the coach, not the owner, not the GM. I'm pro player, players move. And here's the thing. You're for it two.

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sniffled, if we showed any sign of anything, it was Vicks everywhere. So Kevin and Anthony Davis Lakers. Kevin Durant is one of the early kind of pioneers of accepting mobility. He's a millennial. Millennials are between ages 23 and 38, and we know certain things about millennials.

They're socially conscious. How they like to join forces? And Kevin Durant's all for this Anthony Davis move. AD wanted to play basketball somewhere else. It's not like the president's shutting down the government. It's just basketball. We want guys to do exactly what they want to do in this. You have a short amount of time.

so why not do what you want? I would like to mention this. Anthony Davis is a millennial, so is Joy Taylor, 23 to 38 years old. I'm a proud millennial. Tech savvy, a little more mobile, like joining forces, socially conscious. Why does the NBA always get ripped

when millennials want to join forces? Correct me if I'm wrong, but AAU basketball, aren't the same seven to eight national teams good every year? Excuse me, didn't the best three high schoolers in the country all go to Duke and join forces? They could have gone to Virginia, one to Gonzaga, one to Xavier. Now they wanted to win, join forces. We don't like when you start paying players and they have a little control over it.

But AAU basketball is a compilation of stars. College basketball, Duke, Kentucky, the two most watched teams are a compilation of stars. Nobody's bothered by that, but suddenly in the NBA, we don't like a compilation of stars. You're lying to yourself. Joining forces is a big thing everywhere. Do you know what the hot thing in music is? It's music festivals. J. Z. Lady Gaga.

I'm not even going to embarrass myself and name the groups. They all join forces. Cichella. What's happening in movies? It's not a superhero movie. Superheroes. Now join forces. I watch those movies with my son.

Award shows. All the stars, they still get pretty good ratings, beat in one place. Golden State Warriors Dynasties, the highest rated non-Lebron thing in the NBA, the Major League Baseball All-Star game, outrates every regular season game, and it doesn't even count.

By the way, 8 million people, 8.5 million, watched the Pro Bowl this weekend. It certainly wasn't good football, and it never is. but it's a compilation of stars. We like a compilation of stars. We pay for it in music. We pay for it in movies. About the only thing anybody goes and watches

anymore in the movies. I'm not talking artistically. I'm talking what people pay to see. He's a compilation of stars and superheroes. Award shows, All-Star games. The Lakers and LeBron aren't taking anything away from New Orleans. They're just more interesting.

You don't think LeBron and Anthony Davis is more interesting than the current situation in New Orleans? People in New Orleans don't watch the Pelicans. The local fans aren't interested in the Pelicans. I'm supposed to be. AAU basketball has replaced high school as the thing coaches watch and recruit from. It's just a bunch of great players all joining forces in Atlanta and Detroit and D.C. And Dallas and L.A. and Seattle. college basketball, the millennials, they don't want to go to Duke or Kentucky, Kansas.

But in the NBA, it bothers us. Why? You and I know when Anthony Davis, if Anthony Davis, probably when, joins LeBron, it will be a ratings hit. Don't deny it. Basketball's always been a dynasty sport. The Celtics won 11 titles. John Wooden won 10 at a 12. Not sure why it bothers everybody in the current NBA.

Doesn't bother you in AAU. Doesn't bother you in college at Duke and Kentucky always get all the players. Why is it bother you now? Ratings always go up after a compilation of many great players joining forces. Now to our millennial, Joy Taylor, with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Like a mascot. His actual statement kind of, hit every single point. The only thing he needed to do was be saying it into a selfie video. He talked about the government

shutdown, socially conscious. He encouraged mobility saying that he should move. And he said he should do it back. KD. And he said he should do it quickly. It's actually the most millennial comment on the situation possible. All right, so Nikkel Roby Coleman did a full walk back on his comments about Tom Brady.

After telling Beach report, age has, quote, definitely taken a toll on Brady. I think that he's definitely not the same quarterback he was. Roby Coleman said last night that his comments were actually misconstrued. Yeah. I'm not taking nothing away from his game. I can't take nothing away from his game.

You know, it's my first appearance. He's been in this place many of times, in this position, many of times. So I'm not going to make a big deal out of this situation. Like I said, Worries got taken out of context. I respect him. And we're going to go out there on Sunday and we're going to play football. He asked the question as, what's the difference between when I played him in Buffalo and when I played it here.

I just said his age. His skills hasn't changed. And his lack of talent, warm strength, nothing changed. That's all I said. I mean, Trash talks not.

You know, Philadelphia talked trash last year and won. It's not going to really matter. They do pay attention to it. That is for sure. That is the out question that New England pays attention to it.

Oh, no question. I don't think that he was necessarily talking trash. It's just that this, with this particular team, and especially with Tom Brady, with the constant never-ending, when is he going to retire?

Oh, Oh, he missed a pass. He threw a big interception. We're finally seeing the end, and it's not. And it's Super Bowl Week. So everything that you say that's even can kind of be twisted into being critical is going to get blown up. But I'm not, I don't want to say I'm surprised he backed off of it. I would have just doubled down at this point because everyone, no one really believes that you didn't mean what you said.

Right. Sticking with criticism, spite the Patriots playing the quote unquote, nobody respects us card. and it's kind of an eye-rolling thing to begin with. But it's probably fair that they have taken a lot of criticism this year because the beginning of the year was a very unpatriot-like start to the year, lots of stories and controversy. So, Robert Rankowski says he does not take it to heart, which is not surprising. He actually uses it as fuel for jokes to lighten the mood in the locker room.

He said, we know there's been a lot said about us this year. We've been embracing it, I would say, a little more than usual, but we're not letting it distract us. We're just embracing it and taking it and bringing out good energy. We're doing it all for laughs and fun. You know what's interesting about Gronk? Is that it really is a testament to Brady's duration and longevity. It feels like Gronk just entered the league a few years ago,

and now he's going to be on the way out. Is that as big and strong as Gronk is, 6, 6.5, 265, careers in this league are short. He wasn't anywhere around Tom's first six or seven years, and now he's not going to be around Tom's last three or four years. Gronk is going to be a first bout Hall famer. He is sandwiched right in the middle for Brady and he's about to leave

after this game. Well, he said he's not going to retire. Well, he may not retire. He may just not be with the Patriots. I don't know. I don't know about that, but he did say he's not going to retire. But yes, I mean, Brady is longevity and like we said, he's only had one major injury. He's very

LeBron-like in that sense. It's a phenomenon. And finally, the Rams off-season splurge saw them add Marcus Peters, a keep to leave, Ann and Dama, and Sue and Peters was asked about the team bringing in players with questionable reputations and he had an interesting comparison. He said, what happened when, with Golden State, we're bringing in all those people? So what's the difference between them bringing in guys and us bringing in guys?

A change of scenery is always good sometimes. I guess it just wasn't working in KC. It was time to move on. When you come into a great organization with a great head coach, great GM, great owner, and just the whole organization, how everything's run so smoothly, you respect it and you want to be a part of their things. By the way, Marcus Peters. is sounding very millennial, which is, hey, I just want to be part of a fun group.

Like, and this is not a knock on millennials. I think it's a reality of millennials. They don't really want to, they don't want a painful voyage. If they can join forces, if they can go to Google and Apple out of college, they don't want to move to a small town. Even in my business,

nobody wants to go work in Midland, Texas anymore. They want to go to ESPN or Fox and be the weekend guy and work. Well, no disrespect to Midland, Texas, but did anyone ever want to go to Midland, Texas? Like, that's not a, But that's the point, though. If you're not from Midland, Texas, you're from Los Angeles. Did you want to leave Los Angeles and go start your career there and toil away for five years?

I don't think it's necessarily that millennials don't want to work hard. It's about working smarter, not harder. And that may be, from the appearance of it, seemed like it's like laziness or you're taking shortcuts. But maybe we just figured out a better way to do things. Well, you're a little soft, and I think the second part's true, too. I disagree. Mr. I've been in one fight in my life. Hey, it was Fisticofts.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly news. It really is something that you've been in more fights than I have. Oh, you know. I'm a little rough around that. But I think I have a little bit more of an old school mentality.

Yeah, I think you're... I don't like the idea of everybody getting trophies at the end of things. No, you've got to... You're tough. You're no non-stop. sense. You're not a big, you're tough. I'm an old soul, though. You're an old soul and I'm just finesse.

I wouldn't have been a good hockey player. All right. He's one of the guys we lean on all sorts of content. Lead content guy at Monday morning quarterback our friend at the Super Bowl via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Albert Breer joining us.

You know, it's interesting. We have an NBA story here that's been big and we've seen the Patriots at this thing over and over. Kind of give me a 45 second kind of, how does it feel? You've been to a lot of these Super Bowls because of New England. Does it feel like same old, same old leading up to the game? It doesn't feel like there's an overarching storyline.

And we don't always have one. There's not a big injury we're worried about. I don't think Todd Gurley, you know, there's much of a question he's going to play. The question is how the Rams are going to use him. Grankowski's retirement, maybe you can get excited about that or that can drum up some interest. And then, of course, there's the old coach versus the new coach. Voschick versus McVeigh. So you have your storylines. It just doesn't feel like

there's one overarching thing that we're all kind of clinging on to. You know, listen, you Tom Brady said it the other day, Albert. You know the Patriots. You covered them for the Boston Globe. And one of the reasons we lean on you is you have more insight with them than anybody in this country, in my opinion. These are not linear.

There have been years that New England felt like a Super Bowl team. And this year, I said it. I don't think they're a Super Bowl team. So I was surprised, jaw-dropping. that they went to Kansas City in one and blew out the chargers. Yeah. Have we underrated their personnel?

Are you surprised they're here? This is the 2001 Patriots, Colin. I mean, I really think it is. If you want to look at 14 and 16 and 17 when they got to this point, those teams did struggle in September and October, but by the time they got to November, they had their crap together. The difference here is that this team was really struggling in November and December. They lost to Pittsburgh.

They lost to Miami. So, no, I don't think we're underrating the Patriots talent. I think we may be overlooking the way they're built, though, okay? The Patriots have never been built to be an all-star team. It's never been, let's just collect the best talent. They've always been built to combat whatever is in the league at that time. And I think that makes them a little unique. And I think you look at the roster right now, and you can absolutely see it.

They've invested in the defensive backfield to do what, to deal with high-powered passing games. On offense, you know what? you're going to go out and you're going to put 245-pound defensive ends and 220-pound linebackers on the field to cover. We're going to put a fullback in the game. We're going to draft a 230-pound kid in Sony-Michel in the first round, and we're going to put them behind a massive offensive line. And so I think the one thing that we overlook, we don't underrate the talent.

The one thing that we overlook is the way that Bill and Nick Casario build this team is not about collecting stars. It's about building a team to combat whatever's going on at the league at that given time. People have made this into Belichick-McVey. I think it's more Josh McDaniels against Wade Phillips. Bill has a history of beating guys, of beating guys Rex Ryan, Mike Tomlin, who sort of do what they do and everybody knows it. Wade is a, I do what I do, and you kind of know what I do. Historically, Belichick and McDaniels dice those guys up.

I think Wade's a big storyline here. Your thoughts? Yep. I'd have agreed with that. three, four, five years ago, something changed in Denver. When Wade Phillips got to Denver, the Broncos played the Patriots tougher than any Wade Phillips defense has played the Patriots before. 24, 16, 18 points the three times they played them.

They won two of those three games. And so Wade figured something out, I think a piece of it, at least a piece of this. And I've talked to Wade about this in the past. Denver was the first time that he had a couple of blue chip pass rushers and a couple of blue chip cover guys. It's always been his ideal. in Denver it was Demarcus Ware and Von Miller up front and then Akeeb Taleb and Chris Harris on the back end.

And now he's got that again in Los Angeles with Aaron Donald and Domen Sousou up front and Marcus Peters and Taleb on the back end. And so maybe this is just a matter of finally having the sorts of blue chip players that he's always idealized in his defense. I'm just telling you, something changed when he got to Denver. He's played the Patriots a lot tougher than he did previous to that. I want to go back to Gronk, and Joey and I were talking about this.

I don't think he's a Patriot next year because I think I think it's time. I think they'll draft a tight end. It's a good class. They got 12 picks. I think they'll draft a quarterback. I think they'll get a tight end. I think Bill loves linebackers and defensive backs. They got a lot of draft picks.

Let's talk about Gronk, who's really changed from the biggest offensive weapon to a, I think he's a really good blocking tight end. And he's got different value now. Do you think in a year he's a Patriot or five months he's a Patriot? No. I mean, I think he's likely to retire. And I think a big part of why he didn't retire last year, I think he realized when he got out there in the real world that there wasn't the sort of money or anything close to it

to what he was making in football. And right now he's on the books for $10 million in cash next year, $12 million in the Patriots cap. I don't think there's any way he's backing that number. And if someone else is willing to pay him, I don't think it's going to be close to that. So that margin, you know, what he can make in football versus what he can make doing something else has shrunk.

I think this year was very, very difficult. for him, a tough year. And look, this happens with a lot of superstar athletes. When they lose their superpowers, it's very hard for guys to reinvent themselves. In fact, most guys can't do it. You look at Des Bryant, how he struggled with it. I ain't the guy who's done it better than anybody over the years is Larry Fitzgerald, who went from being a dominant outside receiver to a very productive inside receiver. I respect what Gronks done the last few weeks, right, and turning himself into a great blocker against the Chargers and then fighting his ass off against the Chiefs. He's in that process of reinventing himself. It's just the last

couple years, Colin, have been very, very difficult. And I think mentally he may have already started to attach himself in the game. And you heard it last night. He said he's going to give himself two weeks to think about it after the season ends. That tells me he's already sort of made up his mind. I think I want to retire, but I want to at least give myself a couple weeks out to make sure that I'm 100% on it. What do you make of the Rams? They're doing some talking at the Super Bowl. Wade Phillips says, you know, he's joking around. They're very, very loose. It reminds me a little of the Philadelphia Eagles last year where they came in sort of with an underdog spirit, hey, we're facing a dynasty, we got big personalities. They kind of feel like the Eagles last year to me.

Yeah, and you know, I know Sean McVeigh called a couple of coaches around the league who've been in this stage, Dan Quinn here in Atlanta was one, and spent an extended period of time talking to them about how to handle the Super Bowl. I think it's like anything else for this group. That's the way that the Rams have sort of had their program run over the last. last couple of years. And the two programs are obviously very, very different. The key is that each coaches himself, right? Like, Bill, the Bill you see up at the podium, the bill you see who's hard on his players. That's who Bill Belichick is. That's how he was brought up. Sean McVeigh runs his program a different way. And I think that that actually plays into handling a stage like this the right way.

They don't have a ton of guys who've been here before, but they do have a few. And I think there's a looseness, a general looseness to this team that helped them last week in New Orleans when they are down 13 and nothing in that environment, and I think it's going to help them again this week. I kind of think Sean McVeigh is 5-1 in shootouts. I think the Rams are equipped. They're equipped to be in shootouts. They're very comfortable in shootouts. And similarly, if you look at Tom Brady's last three years in the playoffs, they're averaging 34 points a game.

I foresee a high-scoring game, and I think both teams are incredibly comfortable in that space. I think this year's Super Bowl is going to look a lot. like last year's Super Bowl. Do you have a feeling talking to coaches and sources? Yeah, and I'd agree with that. I think a lot of this comes down to offensive versatility, which is going to make it really hard on the defenses. And I talked to Matt Nagy, who played both these teams a couple days ago. And the thing that he said, because he's looked at both offenses and he looks at both offenses every Monday morning to try to get ideas. He said the one thing that sticks out is that the Patriots can kind of toggle from being a 21

one personnel team with a fullback in the game, power running team, to being a shotgun spread empty team like that, right? So they can do that to you. The Rams, meanwhile, are going to run a lot of things out of the same formation. They're going to make everything look the same, and so you're going to have to defend everything at once. And so both teams have a way of making a very, very difficult on a defense. I think that that actually plays against the defenses in this game because both those defenses are built to take certain things away from you. And both these teams can kind of toggle from one thing to the next. So I'm with you. I think this is probably a high scoring game.

And remember, Colin, as high scoring as last year was, last year's game came down to one defensive play. Who was going to make the one defensive play? Brandon Graham was the one who made that play for the Eagles last year. Does it come down to a Stefan Gilmore or an Aaron Donald making that play? We'll see. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback, former Patriot Beat Rider. Good talking to you, bud.

You got it, Colin. I always love, Joy, the ambient noise behind the guy we have with the microphone. You can hear the buzz. You can hear the buzz. That's called the official. That's called the buzz. You know, next year, Fox has the Super Bowl. Yes, in Miami.

In Miami, which is one of my favorite places in America, and you live there for how many years? Almost 10 years. Okay. So next year is a potet, if I may. It's going to be interesting, that's for sure. And the Pro Bowl might be there too, so. There you go.

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season's been amazing. Now we're moving into crazy NBA trade deadline time. It's so good. Sports is so good. College basketball is going to be heating up. I'm watching all sorts of Duke stuff last night. Let me start with a crazy Kyrie Irving story. Chris Haynes, who I trust, Yahoo Sports, comes on the show. We like Chris Haynes. I trust him. There's a growing belief of uncertainty that Kyrie Irving will resign with Boston. It's one of the reasons Anthony Davis doesn't want to be a Celtic, because he doesn't know if Kyrie Irving. is going to be a Celtic. All right, time out.

Three things about Kyrie Irving. Number one, he's a flake. He left LeBron, and according to sources, wants to get back with him. Oh, boy. And now he wants to leave, arguably, the first or second best coach

in the league for guards, Brad Stevens, and a really great roster and a very good GM. Oh, boy. Kyrie Irving's a flake. Number two, and you know this is true,

he only played eight games at Duke. He's hurt a lot. He's heard a lot. He's never played more than 75 games. He didn't finish last year. He gets hurt a lot. Number three, he's already said he's going to retire early. He just signed his second movie deal yesterday.

What's that saying? People tell you who they are, believe them. He's already told you. He's not doing a Tom Brady. He's not doing a Kobe Bryant. He's not doing a Tim Duncan. He's not taking pay cuts and playing 20 years. You're not into it.

Fine. I have no problem with it. He's honest about it. to trick anybody. So he's a flake. You can't dispute that. If you leave LeBron and Brad Stevens in the East, a little bit of a flake. Number two is, he's heard a lot. Number three is he's told you, I'm not in this forever. So let's start with that. Here's my thing about Kyrie Irving. You could invite Kyrie Irving to be on your team. You do not count on Kyrie Irving. I'll give you an example. So Sunday, a lot of you are having a Super Bowl party.

I am too. And I'll just speak from a guy's perspective. Whenever you have a Super Bowl party, the guy you trust the most, you say, hey, you bring the sandwiches. Because the sandwiches is that you can't have the party without the sandwich. So the guy you trust the most, you bring the sandwiches. The guy I trust the second most, I say, you bring all the drinks. Beer, soft drinks, you bring the drinks. the guy I trust a little less I say you bring the chips

I mean got to have sandwiches got to have sodas you bring the chips Kyrie is definitely not the sandwich guy he's not the soda guy he's not even the chips guy Kyrie is the second chips guy the guy you trust the least who's funny makes the party better but you tell him why don't you also bring some chips If he brings him great, but he may not, and you'll still be okay. You don't build around Kyrie Irving. There are lots of people in every industry you've worked with him, I've worked with them.

They're the sandwich people to the party. They're the drink people to the party. He's like the second chip guy. You can't ask him in an emergency. You can't trust him. Kyrie's always been a flake. And that's okay. Flakes make the party more fun.

Flakes are often very talented. There's nothing wrong with having flakes. I can be flaky. You can probably be flaky. Whatever an accountant needs, I'm the opposite of that. I mean, our society is filled with actors and singers and entertainers and artists

and they're not accountants. Highs, low, is emotional. That's what makes the world go around. Kyrie is way more artist than accountant. And when I hear of these rumors. He wants to get back with LeBron. And Anthony Davis is like, I don't know about Boston. Here's my message to Anthony Davis. You do you. Okay. But LeBron has bailed and Kyrie's a flake. So Anthony Davis, you do you. You don't, you don't. Here's what I know about Kyrie.

Flaky gets hurt and he's not playing the long game. And I've heard, four rumors in two years. I heard Kevin Durant and Kyrie to New York. I heard he's signing long term with Boston. I think he said that. I've heard he's going to the New York Knicks by himself with Jimmy Butler. And now I'm hearing LeBron, Anthony Davis, and Kyrie Irving in Los Angeles. Okay. All right. You can't fool me once, fool me twice, whatever the saying is. Shame on me, shame on you. I don't know. I can't get him in order. Well, he hasn't left Boston yet. You trust Chris Haynes? I do. I do.

I think Tristan. But all he's saying is that there's a growing feeling. He didn't say he wanted to leave Boston. He hasn't left Boston. Smoke fire. I mean, there was a growing suspicion. Is KD a flake? KD left?

No, KD's not a flake. KD. Well, what if KD leaves Golden State? Well, then he's a flake. You don't think, timeout. Somebody told me this the other day. They said Kevin Durant's going to leave Golden State. And I'm like, time out.

Don't try to get happier than happy. Golden State is perfect for Durant. First of all, they don't ask him to be the emotional leader. That's Steph. They don't ask him to be the coach. That's Kerr. They don't ask him to be the tough guy. That's Draymond.

They don't ask him to guard the best player or the best wing. That's often clear, Draymond. They just asked him to come hoop and score. Like if Kevin Durant, I defended him leaving Russell Westbrook, the ball hog. Okay, I defended him there. If you leave Golden State, you're a flake. Do you defend Kyrie leaving LeBron? Okay.

No, but, but there's a big gap between leaving LeBron and then leaving LeBron and Brad Stevens and going back with LeBron. That's flaky. Again. Sure, but he hasn't done that yet. And I understand him leaving LeBron. There are a lot of players who don't want to play with LeBron. Silly as it may be silly, but everybody doesn't have the same motivations.

But again, but yeah, I mean, they've been to the final. finals three straight times. LeBron was clearly comfortable with Kyrie being the hero in some games and taking shots. Again, I'm not, it's, it's, there's a huge gap between leaving LeBron for the Celtics, okay, and then leaving the Celtics to go back with LeBron. Well, I mean, it seems a bit silly if he leaves the Celtics and goes back with LeBron. It's like, what was the point of all that? Yeah. Now you're a flake. You're a flake. But he hasn't done it yet.

Ah, it just seems, again, he's not the sandwich guy. He's not the beverage guy. He ain't the chips guy. Kyrie's the second chips guy. Car shopping can be confusing. There's a lot of terms. Dealer price, list price, invoice, here's what's not confusing. New car, use car doesn't matter.

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Three-time Super Bowl champ Troy Brown, former Patriot, will be joining us this hour. Joey Taylor is joining me right now. Joy, how are you? Doing great. How are you? Good people coming up to you, probably. People coming up to me now and saying, who do you like in the game? I had a speaking engagement yesterday.

One of the things I talked about in my life covering sports, This has always been true. The fear of losing more often drives successful people than the joy and the jubilation of winning. I covered Jerry Tarkhanian years ago at UNLV. He could remember every loss in his career from 20 years earlier. The timeouts, the miss shots, wins for Jerry just became blurred. Tom Brady talked about losing to the Philadelphia. Eagles, and it sounds a lot like what I believe to be true, the losses hurt more than the

wins are great. All these losses are tough. I mean, every one that you've had, you'll remember these forever. But certainly because it happened, you know, just a year ago, you still remember some of those emotions as opposed to, I don't know, 12 years ago when we lost an 07. And I think, you know, if you get to this game and you don't perform your best and you don't perform well enough to win, you know, you just, you kick yourself for the rest of your life. And I don't think anyone wants to go through that. The whole point of this week is to win the

game. And if you win it, you know, you'll have something to celebrate for the rest of your life. And if you don't, you know, it'll be some mental scar tissue that you'll have to deal with the rest of your life. Yeah. The loss has hurt more than the joy you gain from wins. Emotional scar tissue. People keep coming up to me and saying, hey, who do you like in this game? And I say the same thing, it's hard not to like New England because let me give you over the last three years with these same players mostly. Sony Michelle's obviously a nice new dynamic running back for New England.

Last three years, they've scored 34, 30. These are just the playoff games, folks. These are just the playoff games in the Super Bowl. 34, 36, 34, 35, 24, 34, 33, 41, 37. That's against the best coaches, best defenses. They are

averaging 34 points in 471 yards. A little more, if you count Super Bowls and divisional, because they have a buy before each. But here's the thing. Sean McVan and the Rams are 5 and 1 in shootouts. When you think of the Rams, you think shootouts. They're uniquely built to win shootouts. And one of the things I think people are forgetting,

Las Vegas, they're opening lines in all the casinos. The Rams were favorites. They had to shift the line Because now 83% of the bets from the public, the masses, are on New England. But the opening line was Rams favor. When people say who's going to win the game, I say it's hard not to take New England. But the brand of the Rams is high-scoring, winning shootouts. They're five-and-one in games in which both teams.

score over 30, and Vegas had them as the favorites before the overwhelming majority of the public and the public money came pouring in on New England. I think this is interesting. There are obviously different ways to win in sports. You know, there are certain principles. Hard work wins in every league. Draft well, don't overpay for players, works in every league. But I do think it's very interesting.

what is happening. Boston is considered really one of America's academic cities. It's the home of Harvard, the Sloan Analytics Conference, MIT, 50 universities. Boston, all their sports have been early adapters, very analytic driven. Now, I'm not saying they don't go get stars, Kevin Garnett, David Price, to the Red Sox. I'm not saying they won't go get an occasional star. They're facing in this Super Bowl, the Patriots from Boston. Los Angeles.

I'm not saying Los Angeles doesn't care about analytics. The Dodgers are very analytic driven. But the Dodgers go out and get Manny Machado, Manny Ramirez. Rams are star-driven. We all know about the Lakers, LeBron, through the years, Anthony Davis. what we have not only in this Super Bowl, but what we're seeing now in the big three in America, Patriots, the academic city against the Rams,

glitz and glamour, red socks just played the Dodgers in the World Series, and the Celtics favored to win the Eastern Conference. We're in the Eastern Conference finals last year, and here goes Los Angeles, and they will over time, Anthony Davis, and maybe more stars. There is more than one way to do it. And what's interesting to me is that Belichick is really the perfect fit for New England. No such thing as star treatment.

Tried to trade Tom Brady, wanted gronk out of town. He's perfect for Boston. Their analytic-driven culture over stars. And Sean McVeigh, similarly, is perfect for Los Angeles. He's one of the stars. He's one of the guys. He's very pro player. Peter King told the story yesterday. He lets his young quarterback sometimes override him on the biggest plays of the game he did against the Saints. The original play, you watch Brandon Cooks go up, now he goes out. And that play, Brandon Cooks was supposed to go in. Before this play, Jared Goff had told Sean McVeigh on the sidelines, I'd rather have cooks go out because I'd rather have Cooks go out because I'd, I think there's going to be too much traffic in here. I don't want to layer the ball overcooks.

I want to fire it to him. And McVeigh goes, well, not what I would call, but I trust you. Let's run it that way. And McVeigh told me on Friday, that is a perfect example of what I like to do. I want my players to understand that I'm going to listen to them. And if they make sense with what they want to do, I'm absolutely going to consider it. This was an example of why players love playing for Sean McVe. Players in New England tolerate playing for Belichick who squashes personalities.

Players love playing for McVeigh who's fostering personalities. Who wants Wade Phillips, who's got a big personality. They're punters cool. I listen to my stars. I'll take Indyamanu. Marcus Peters, Akeeb to leave. So what you're seeing, Boston does it their way. I mean, heavy analytics, they'll dip into stars reluctantly.

Los Angeles, they'll do analytics too, but they love their stars. Both are working and both coaches are perfect fits for the cultures that have always embodied their cities. Good to have you in today. Jeff Garcia and Troy Brown will be stopping by. Anthony Davis-Laker stuff is, there's just a whole bunch of information out there. I don't trust a ton of it. You know, I said this to start the show. A lot of times stories break and they're exciting and they're exciting and they're

are fun, but I have sort of a kind of a low trust level on what I'm reading and what I'm hearing. All you need to know about Anthony Davis and LeBron. This is really all you need to know is that in September, Anthony Davis signed with clutch sports who represent LeBron. Check. That was the first thing. Then Anthony Davis, and you knew it was coming, had to announce eventually to his team,

I'm out. He just did that. Check. The third part of this, and I believe this will come probably sooner than later, is Anthony Davis saying, I'll only play for the Lakers. Two out of three boxes have been checked. I'm told the Lakers would like to get this done sooner than later. Trading deadlines coming up, what, February 7th. I'm told they'd like to. I'm also told by people I trust, they love Kyle Kuzma, they still really, really like Lonzo,

and they don't want to give up everything because they worked hard to draft scout and build these players in this roster. And they like this roster. They just want another piece. So I don't buy this. They're giving up everything to get Anthony Davis. I don't think they should give up everything to add Anthony Davis. I think they should fight like hell to keep Lonzo ball and either you, him or use him later to get another piece, preferably an elite shooter.

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Our next guest has always reminded me a Tony Romo. Tony Romo was undrafted. Tony Romo had great assessment. capability. Tony Romo played for about a decade, and Tony Romo was a pro bowler for many of the years. My next guest is Jeff Garcia, who like Tony Romo was undrafted, who played for slightly more than a decade, who had four pro bowls, and who played with a couple of diva wide receivers. There's a T.O. in there. There's a Des Bryant, right? Jeff played with T.O. I always thought the difference between Tony Romo. Remember, Jeff Garcia made the playoffs with three teams. I think he won a

playoff game with two teams. The difference is Romo played his entire career with the biggest brand in the NFL, the Dallas Cowboys, and Jeff Garcia played for the Niners for half a decade, but then several other teams. But I always thought Romo and Jeff Garcia, very athletic, hyper-mobile, over a decade, pro-bowl guys, undrafted, never quite got the love for their maturity and their ability to handle star receivers, egos with coaches, and now joining us at the Super Bowl via the Coward Global Satellite Network is Jeff Garcia. By the way, Jeff, you played until you were 39 years old. I watched a lot of Jeff Garcia.

How surprised are you that Brady's at 40-41? You took care of your body. You were always in impeccable shape. You did have a couple of injuries because you could run and Tom's not a runner, but are you shocked by his age and his performance? Not at all. I think when you look at players these days, how they take care of themselves, how they lengthen their youth, basically, their longevity by just what they put into their bodies, how they prepare their bodies physically, mentally. How he is protected as a player benefits him an awful lot. I probably put myself more in harm's way at times than Tom will ever do.

But at the end of the day, I really believe that I could have played into my 40s, but you need that consistency, like you were mentioning. I didn't have the stability of one franchise, one organization, buying into me, keeping me around for a decade or more than a decade. I continually had to prove myself. I went to the Raiders at 39 years old. I believed I should have been the starting quarterback instead of of Marcus Russell, which it turned out to be his last season of the National Football League.

At that point, the political part of the game was starting to interrupt with my just angst and just excitement for playing the game, which I always brought. I always felt like I brought a youthful energy, a passion, a drive, just a never-say-die-die attitude. And at that point, I just figured, you know what, maybe it's time to just move on and think about other things in my life. Now, that was difficult to do because of how passionate I was. But to see a guy like Tom Brady still excelling at such an older age, Drew Brees, guys that are playing their best football into their 40s is not unrealistic these days based upon the fact

that how they're protected first and foremost, but most importantly, secondly, just how they take care of themselves. These guys prepare in the offseason by 10.000. By 10,000, taking care of their bodies by preparing themselves mentally and physically to last through a season. You know, it's interesting. Belichick, his system is sort of anti-star, squashing personality. McVeigh is more kind of flourishing and embracing personality. There are two different systems. They both work terrific.

What would you have preferred as a quarterback? The rigid Belichickian style or the McVeigh is, let's bring the stars. I'll take a little dysfunction. Even my punter's cool. What would you have preferred? Well, I think when you look at Belichick style, it works. I mean, he has proven it time and time again that no matter who he plugs into his system,

as long as they buy in, they play championship caliber football. Now, I'm probably more leaning toward the McVeigh style is just my type of guy. And I know Sean McVeigh, he was a quality control guy for our 2008 Tampa Bay Bucke when I was playing for the bucks.

So I got to know Sean a little bit. And I've talked to Sean over the years. I like his approach. I think what Sean brings is an energy that people buy into. It's not about taking advantage of the system. I think he keeps players accountable. I think that there are some rules and regulations that everybody abides by. But he does keep it loose.

He keeps it fun. He keeps it friendly. But at the end of the day, his passion, his energy shine through. That's what everybody buys into. They love how excited he gets, how motivational he is. I'm that type of guy. I'm a type of guy that has that intensity, that shares that emotion, that shares that energy with my teammates. When I stepped into the huddle, that's what I was.

I was a ball of fire just ready to explode and guys rallied around that. I probably would end up going that direction. But hey, you can't take away from what Belichick, what Brady have done for 20. years. I will say this. I generally, Jeff, Jeff Garcia joining us, I generally, Jeff, I think you have to keep dysfunction in football to a minimum. This is a sport about efficiency and choreography and leadership and we over me. But you played with T.O. and one. The Rams have taken on TILAB and Domenu and personalities. Take me to your T.O. years. How much of this free agency, big personality stuff, can a locker run?

room with Stan, Jeff? Yeah, I think it's important to have quality leadership within your locker room. When you have quality leadership within a certain number of guys, guys that have proven themselves as veterans, you can take on a bigger personality like that and keep it at bay from the standpoint of just produce on the field. We're not going to worry about your off-field, the antics. We're not going to worry about your personality. As long as you show up every day and give your best in practice,

Give your best in the meetings, give your best on game day. Then we can handle the bigger personalities. But if you don't have that leadership in the locker room and those high character guys that function together on an everyday basis, then that's when those bigger personalities eat a team up. They tear a team apart. They break a team up, all those sort of things that create the dysfunction. I think the things with T.O. that we experienced in the past, we knew what he brought

to the table from the standpoint of he was a difference maker on the field. He was a beast to contend with. We knew that on game day he was going to show up. He was going to give an all-out effort to help win a football game. That's what truly mattered at the end of the day. If you don't show up when it's time, when the light is on you and you're not performing, but you want to be a distraction off the field as well, then those guys need to be dismissed. Those guys have no room in your locker room and are not good for the team, obviously. Now, it's a matter of how you can control that. By the way, you came into this league. You were undrafted, and it wasn't because you weren't talented at San Jose State. I saw you playing college. It was because you were small. You were

six-fit one. You ran a little bit, and everybody was like, well, Jeff Garcia runs a little too much. I wish we had six-foot-three. Now, Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson. I almost feel like Jeff, you grew up in the wrong generation that today you'd be a first-round pick, then you're undrafted. What do you make of, what do you make, Jeff, of all these smaller quarterbacks because you were that guy. Okay, you were a four-time pro. The only reason you didn't get drafted because you're hype. Right.

I was 20 years too early. I came out during the time when everybody was looking for the next Troy Aikman, 6, 4, 225 pounds. And to see a guy like Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson, who's done it consistently for a number of years now, number of years now, to see those guys having the seasons, being the caliber players that they are, showing the leadership abilities that it takes to be the

quarterback. At the end of the day, it's not the measurement of the size, the measurement of the heart and the mind that separates you from being an average player to a great player. I believe that those guys have what it takes from within themselves to be great because of how they study the game, they approach the game, the leadership that they bring to locker room, the ability to raise the level of play around them by the play. players that are surrounding them is what makes a great quarterback. I believe I had those characteristics. I had to prove it year and year out with multiple teams.

But at the end of the day, I brought the same mentality every single day to the locker room. I tried to be perfect in my approach to the game, how I prepared time-wise. It was immense, man. It was grueling, but it was satisfying at the end of the day because I knew I gave it my all. And if I could lift the level of play not only of myself, but of my teammates, around me than I had a positive thing going. By the way, I love that, Jeff, you're still an amazing shape. I can tell that even though we're thousands of miles away.

You're an incredible shape. You're playing in Wednesday night's Wounded Warrior Amputy football game, and you're also part of Guardian LLC, working with NFL retired players to launch a line of products for athletes. You're very much still in football. I can tell from the tempo the way you're talking that you would play today if somebody would sign you, and I really like that you're still involved in the game. Well, the passion is there. I think you can't diffuse that passion. I think when you look at NFL players and what our next responsibilities are in life, I think a lot of us struggle in that retirement age as to what do we do. What can we put our passion toward? We were so adamant about playing the game. We love the game. We've been around the game our entire lives. Now all of a sudden, the game's not accessible to us anymore. Where do we now put our energy toward? I've been fortunate enough to be brought on to a group.

in San Diego, where I currently reside, that has introduced a nutritional line that I'm so behind. It involves nano-cbd, a product from hemp that is a neuroprotectant, as well as an anti-inflammatory recovery-type hydration drink. So when you look at the benefits of what CBD can do for your body, for your mind, from the standpoint of anti-inflammation, in comparison to drugs like Advil or T. Tylenol, where this has 10 to 20 times the power, but yet doesn't affect the liver like a Tylenol or Advil will, where it's something that your body recognizes right away that takes into your body, that puts it into places that can help your body and recovery and also sustainability.

I love working out. I love staying in shape. I have four young kids. They're active. I want to be active with them. It's important for me to look into things that are going to allow me from the standpoint of health opportunities to be as healthy as I can be and to also be within the boundaries of what is right as compared to what is wrong. This is not something that has THC or marijuana base or anything like that. The hemp plant is completely different. And what we were providing and what we are launching this week with sponsoring the Wounded Warrior game is something that I think can benefit players' health from the standpoint of dealing with CTE, TBI, TBI, the military, ex-game athletes, fighters, boxers, all those guys that deal with traumatic brain trauma

and the benefits of CBD to the neuro system and how it helps recovery and protect it. It's just a win-win. It gives me that back, that passion to talk about something that I truly enjoy and help people that I have once been a part of and I'm looking to help in myself. It's something that I utilize personally and I'm just sharing the benefits. I'm not a guy that has looked to alternative drugs or medicine to help me get through aches and pains. I've never been someone who's been reliant on anything, whether it be legal or illegal. I've just been a natural person as far as my approach.

This is a way to be natural, to be positive, to be 100% accepted by the country as far as CBD is concerned and the hemp plant is concerned. And that's where we're going with this. Jeff, I got to run. Anytime you're in Los Angeles, stop by our show. I'd love to have you on the chair. Great stuff, my man. Good luck to you. Thank you, man.

Guardian Athletic.com. Check it out. All right, Jeff Garcia, who I contend. I'll say it again, is Tony Romo. He just played on multiple teams. Undrafted, big play guy, three playoff wins at three different teams or at three different teams to the playoffs. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So this time last year, it seemed like a sure thing that Josh McDaniels would be the next coach of the Colts. But here we are, and he's still in New England. We obviously know that everything that happened there. Well, McDaniel says he isn't proud of how it went down. But he still has a desire to be a head coach again.

He cannot control how teams view him after what happened last year. He said at the end of the day, you have to make the best decision for yourself and your family. I wasn't proud of any of that stuff. It's been a year. I think everyone has moved forward. from that and the decisions that are made are made. If I have the chance to do that, I would love to. It was a weird move, and I wouldn't recommend it for anybody.

It was, he had a job. They offered it to him. You know, in a weird way, the Colts got the right guy. And just because you're not the first choice, Frank Reich, doesn't mean you're not the right guy. A lot of people aren't the first choice. I, you know, I didn't necessarily agree with you when it came to the Cliff Kingsbury thing at USC because he's an assistant. He was only there for a short amount of time.

I get it. You commit to something and you know, you should see it out. Yeah. But I think the jump and the opportunity for him was, it's kind of like, what are you going to do? Like, are you going to keep this guy there? You're going to make him feel bad about it on a NFL head coaching position when he's an assistant at USC. This, though, where you're putting together a staff and you're encouraging people to leave the jobs that they already have. You made a commitment to literally thousands of people.

It's not just the staff that you're a staff. assembling. You're leaving it, you're leaving an entire situation. By the way, Joy, this is going to hurt his reputation for the next 20 years. I know people in the NFL that are like out on him because of that. Now, the good news is Robert Kraft's very much in on him, but this will absolutely, there are certain moves in your career that last forever. This one's going to hurt him for a decade. It's just like a decision you have to stick with, no matter what is being told to you on the other end. And I mean, this, there was a lot of coaching moves this offseason, and Green Bay was the only team that interviewed him. So it's clearly

affected to some degree. So former Jags' defensive end, Dante Fowler, had some of his best and worst days while battling Tom Brady. Brady brushed off two sacks from Fowler and last year's AFC title game that led to that fourth quarter rally that ended in 2420 heartbreak for the Jags. But Fowler

also believes the Jaguars thought too much of themselves after making it to that title game last year. Remember, there was a lot of talk before that game. And he did not find that the same was true of the Rams. He said, I'm grateful to work with a group of guys like that. We have a A lot of star power guys with accolades, rings, Hall of Fame credentials, but these guys are humble and they put all that behind them.

They keep the main thing, the main thing. Yeah, the Jags felt like immature. The Rams feel confident. And I know it's a fine line. But the Jags, you kind of looked at it and went, oh, stop talking. With the Rams, I'm like, they've been great now for two years. I'm kind of okay. And it looks like they're going to be great for the next 10.

I'm much, it's not because I live in Los Angeles. the Jags came off to me as kind of juvenile. I think this is a bunch of veteran guys like Akeeb, Talib and Indyb and Domenu that are very, very confident guys. Well, I also felt like the Jags were a very one-sided team. They felt like they were being carried by their defense, which was very strong. But they didn't have any consistency in their organization

that would make you feel like, oh, going into this game, I have some confidence in them. With the Rams, they may not have a long history of consistency, obviously, because the Faye hasn't been that long. This team hasn't been assembled. way it is for that long. But they've all season, we've talked about how they have a quiet confidence about them. They were,

I mean, they had an incredible season and we're in Los Angeles. I mean, we don't see them. There's no talk of the Rams in any capacity other than they're just a really good football. I see Dodgers. I hear Dodgers. I hear Rams. I hear college kids. The Rams don't talk.

Rams are the quietest, great team in the NFL. In Los Angeles, they don't talk. Well, they're really a reflection of Sean McVeigh. And, you know, having a team with everyone being on the same page and same energy and I guess same mantra is a good thing. So finally, Drew Locke now seems to be a lock for first round pick, which team will take him. We don't know, but it could be the Broncos because according to Denver Post, John Elway is smitten with Locke, which we don't know what that means, but they have the 10th overall pick.

And his interest in him didn't start in the senior bowl. he did attend the Arkansas Missouri game in November. Locke had two touchdowns, ran for two more. They won 38's nothing. But the biggest knock on Drew Locke is his accuracy, which immediately makes me an out. Yeah, I don't love Drew Locke as much as ever. Will Greer and Drew Lock are talented.

I don't necessarily think they, you know, I always said about Baker Mayfield. He's way too accurate a thrower to not succeed. These guys are athletes and they're certainly talented. I don't see them. he and Will Greer has great NFL prospects. I don't think it's necessarily how athletic you are. Baker Mayfield is an athletic guy.

There were comparisons with Johnny Mitzelt to Baker Miffield. I just always thought were ridiculous. He's accurate. That's why I always liked Baker Mayfield. The biggest transition point for quarterbacks from college to the NFL is how accurate you are. Baker Mayfield had 69.8% completion rate. Drew Locke has 56.9 in four years. That's just not good.

You can't sustain that. He reminds me a little bit of a kid named Jake Locker who played at Washington, who was athletic and her run around. And I always said with Jake Locker, and that's not going to work. He was never a college thrower. I don't mind if you can run around, but you have to be able to be accurate as well. Number one thing. To me, it's the number one thing.

Good stuff, Joy Taylor, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News. Nobody knows that New England system, better than Troy Brown. He got three rings with it. He was on the Patriots before they became the Patriots, and he'll join us live from the Super Bowl next.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Well, he played 15 years in the NFL, all with the New England Patriots. He was Bill Belichick's first Do It All player. He returned kicks. He played defensive back. He was a tailback. He was a wide receiver. Players like that don't exist much anymore.

He is joining us at the Super Bowl v. the Cowher Global Satellite Network, Troy Brown. By the way, Troy, you were offered a lot of money at the end to go to New Orleans and the Saints, and you turned it down, you stayed with New England. I'm sure Belichick loved that. You saw the wisdom in staying with the Patriots. Go back to that. Why didn't you leave?

Well, at that particular time, I was at the end of my career. You know, I probably had one, two, maybe pretty decent years left in me. And I just felt like at that particular time, I spent my entire career. with New England and why leave at that particular point and try to start something new and build a whole new foundation in New Orleans when I had the chance to stay in a place where I'd won three championships with New England and I didn't really want to mess that up and look it's still paying up for me right now you know so they've been still they're still winning championships and I get a trip to the Super Bowl every year he works for NBC in Boston Troy you saw the early

Tom Brady what he wasn't as dominant he didn't have the the Randy Moss. What was the first sign to you that this guy was different? Well, I think when he first came into the league, he was in there working out. He was there early. He was there late. The guys all had a tremendous amount of respect for Tom Brady. He was meeting with guys.

I mean, one time we had a receiver of Vincent Brisbane back in 2000. He ran a route. Tom threw it a different direction. They missed it. And Tom started walking down the field. meet Vincent halfway and not in a disrespectful way, but he was just trying to figure out what Vincent was thinking on that particular past pattern because he wanted to get him the same page with him.

You know, you just don't see rookie quarterbacks doing those kinds of things, especially with veteran receivers. And from that point on, even Vincent had a tremendous amount of respect for him. It's like this guy's ready to play. He wants to be good. He wants to get better. You know, let's help him along. So at that particular point, his leadership skills were on display.

You know, Brady's never been considered the athletic guy or the big armed guy. but you don't last this long without skills. Is his athleticism or is arm underrated to you? Well, I don't know about his athleticism, but his arm could be underrated, especially at this point in his career. I think we saw Brady late in the season throwing some absolute lasers to a few guys.

I think Carter Patterson caught one, a few other passes see through late in the season here to Edelman on those third down plays. Those passes have some zip on it. So he's still got some arm strength. that thinning, you know, and I don't know where people are talking about, you know, he's losing arm strength, he's losing this, he's losing that. But he seems to be perhaps in the best physical shape I've seen him in in his career. Troy Brown joining us. Troy, when you

looked at Belichick, Belichick really embraced you and you embraced it. Now, when you go back, you were an eighth round draft pick. Why do you think so quickly, Bill and you connected? Because, you know, he kind of squashed his personalities. He's, he's. not for everybody, but you appeared to connect very early with him. Well, I think Belichick came there in 96 as a defensive assistant after being fired from Cleveland. And at that particular point, he didn't say much. I didn't say much.

We were two pretty quiet guys. And then he had the opportunity to come back in 2001. And then I was like basically one of his first signings that he made as the new coach of the New England Patriots. And at that particular point, he just said basically, you know, we had a hard enough time stopping you down with the New York Jets. So we want to bring you back here. And we're going to give you an opportunity to be a starting wide receiver

here in New England alongside Terry Glenn at the particular time. So, I mean, all I ever asked from coaches is just to be honest with me. If I suck, tell me I suck. If I got a chance to be something, let me be that and give me an opportunity to be that. And Bill was always straight up with me. Do you think the Belichick-Bradie controversy in the offseason, their differences was overblown? Or do you think there was some stress between the two?

I'm pretty sure there was probably some stress between the two. I mean, they've been together for 18, 19 years. I mean, it's like trying to be married that long without any stress in the family. You know, I mean, I get mad at my kids, you know, but I still love them, you know, and I fussed at them and I get after them, but I love them to death. I do anything in the world for them, you know, and that's kind of, I think, what happened with those guys last year, you know, and, you know, those kinds of things happen when you're in a long-term relationship like that.

But, you know, the one great thing about it, they're all professionals, they're both professionals. They put it aside last year and were still able to make it to the Super Bowl. And it just shows how they go about doing their job. It's true professionals about it. Gronk doesn't have long in the league. Edelman's past his prime. Do you feel like the dynasty's coming to an end soon?

Well, I don't know about the player-wise. It was at a point earlier than this year where, you know, things were getting out of the house and they were airing the grievances in public. And I felt like things were getting out of hand then. but I think player-wise, I think they have the ability to always, you know, rebuild if guys decide to walk away from the game. You know, obviously they got to start replacing some of these guys offensively and defensively. You got Hightower McCordy. Those guys are getting up there in age, so you need to start replenishing some of that.

But I think as long as you have Belichick running the show, you have Tom Brady running things on offense and making his decisions there. And Dante Scarnicke, I might add. I think he's been a key piece to that New England success as well. So I think they can pretty much, as long as those guys want to stick around, I think the dynasty will be intact. By the way, you won three Super Bowls. That's a lot of Super Bowls. Tom's now been in nine.

Do your Super Bowls, is each one do you remember vividly or do they kind of blur together? Well, you kind of remember them pretty vividly, you know, for the most part. You know, just 2001 obviously sets aside from the rest of them because it was the first one. There was 9-11 stuff going on that year. We lost a quarterback coach. coach who died. Drew Blesso was knocked out. So you kind of remember a lot of things about those different Super Bowl. But I can remember I'm just pretty vividly right now. By the way, Belichick Brady, which one retires first? You know, Bill's getting close to 70. Everybody

assumes it'll be Brady. But you know Bill pretty well. Is he going to do this for seven more years? That's the thing. I don't know, man. I mean, Bill's been in this thing for a long, long, long, long time. And I remember him saying a while ago that he wasn't going to be like the Marlis and retire at what 71 or 72, whatever Marlis was at that particular point. So I think he's 66 now. So I think he's right about that four-year mark. So I think they're both on pace to retire around the same time. Thomas 41. He said 45 was going to be his age. So I think they leave this thing together. Okay. And finally, Sunday, I know you know the New England structure. You know that I would guess you like New England. I think it's going to look like last year, Super Bowl. I suspect we

have a bunch of points with a bunch of good offensive players. What do you think? You think no defense in this game? I just think I think the Rams are very comfortable in shootouts. I think they're hard to stop and I think Tom's hard to stop. Yeah, that's the thing. I think for the Rams to have a chance in this football game, they cannot fall behind early in this game. They can't let the Patriots play the way they played the last three or four weeks here and the end of the season where they just pound the ball and run it at you and run eight minutes off the clock. It's hard to score when you don't have the ball.

So, I mean, and that's going to be tough on them. If they fall behind by a couple of scores earlier like they did against New Orleans, I don't think the Patriots are letting them back in. Troy, great talking to you. Congrats on your career, man. Thank you, man. Thanks having me all. 15 years with one team. That is just unheard of in any.

That's, you know, you're getting into a Kobe Jeter thing. And he was the last guy for them that was kick returner, DB, wide receiver. He was like Danny Woodhead. If Danny Woodhead went on defense too. Troy did everything for them.

Belichick loved him. Belichick's first big interview with Ernie of Corsey when he was in Cleveland trying to get the Brown's job. Ernie O'Corsi says the most amazing thing about Belichick in his first head coaching interview was that he could spend three hours on slot receivers, on defensive

tackles. Everybody had a place. And Belichick's always love people that can do, like, return guys that can do multiple things. And Troy Brown was his first, like, gadget guy that could do, because for Belichick, it's a salary cap league. If you can do two things over one thing, you save me money on players. By the way, don't let your age beat you. Want to feel stronger and younger and more vitality in your life. Go to buy mDrive.com. Code H-E-R-D-K-K. created 10 years ago, Walgreens, Walmart, Amazon, other fine retailers. Final hour, Chris Haynes, he's got all sorts of stories breaking today and the NBA next.

Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Ah, this is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Hour 3 live in L.A. We're on IHeart. Fox Sports Radio and FS1. By the way, I was just reading on my little devicey thing. Akeve Taleb, they asked him about his favorite time for the Patriots, what he liked about the Patriots. And he said, yeah, I like the fact we won a lot.

And I always think about this. Just let me story time with Uncle Colin. I think about this all the time. There's all these baseball players. And they just go for the money overwinning. Can you imagine 81. games in baseball. And you're getting on a plane going to Kansas City knowing you're going to lose three or four. Like I'm not saying money doesn't matter, but you get to 30 million bucks in the

bank just on the interest alone. I mean, how many cars can you have? The losing sucks. It's brutal. I just wouldn't want to lose just over. Oh, but I got a lot of money. And you're a loser. I mean, who wants to lose in high school, college? There's a reason the best basketball players go to Duke. They want to win games. Some people are just motivated by other things. I know, you're right. Anyway, 15 minutes. Chris Haynes, Yahoo Sports. Guys, good.

Bring him on the very latest. There's a bunch of stuff percolating on Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis. I think I'm going to have my favorite best for last ever today in 40 minutes. I've watched Super Bowls all the way back to 1972. I'm going to give you my five favorite, and they're odd, and I love them for different reasons. I'm going to give you my five favorite Super Bowls of all time. Well, a bevy of teams, now I'm reading Milwaukee, want in on the Anthony Davis sweepstakes.

Yep, Raptors, too. There's a ton of rumors flying out there. I'm still not sure about any of it, but let me start with this. Here's what we know, though, about Anthony Davis. Okay, this isn't the glossy magazine cover. Let's be real. Let's keep it 100.

Number one is, with Boogie Cousins, a great, All-Star. He couldn't make the playoffs. Seven years, one playoff series win. Sorry if those facts get in the way of how you feel about it. Number two is he's hurt a lot, including currently. One year he played 61 games, 164, 167, 166. Big guys don't get healthier. You do get that right. Number three is he shoots better from the outside, hits a three or two occasionally.

But 70% of his baskets are right next to the hoop. You watching the current NBA? This idea I'm going to give up everything for Anthony Davis. Let me ask you, LeBron in his 15th or 16th year in Anthony Davis, who doesn't, he's not Kevin Durant as a shooter. And I've given up everything else. What's that get me? It'll be fun.

I'm not saying it's not interesting. I'm not saying it's not really, really good. and not being Golden State. Let's be real about this. I've seen what LeBron James does to Big Man. I saw what he did to Anton Jameson. I saw what he did to Kevin Love. And I saw what he did to Chris Bosch.

He frustrated them. He made them into stretch fours. They got in the way of LeBron James. It's not like LeBron has a history of he's great with Biggs. No, you know what LeBron's great with? Shooters. He's good with Kyle Corver. He was good when Bosch moved outside and could shoot threes.

LeBron's always been great with shooters because he gets the ball, he drives the ball. He'd be great with Clay Thompson. I said earlier he'd be great with Bradley Beale. I've seen LeBron James with big guys. I saw him with Anton Jameson. I saw him with Chris Bosch. I saw him with Kevin Love.

He drove those guys batty. This idea I'm going to give up everything. Time out. The Lakers have worked hard to draft and developed as young core of players. They're not terrible. They're just not great players. But Lonzo Ball's got talent.

I'm going to fight to keep him. If I have to give him a way to get AD, I would, but he's got value somewhere. Somebody needs a point guard who's got great vision and 6-5 and can rebound and hit threes. I'd fight to keep Kyle Kuzma. He can hit threes, good player. Going to be an 18, 20-pointed game guy, right? I'm going to fight to keep Josh Hart.

High-functioning Villanova, high IQ can hit a three. This idea, which can give away the house to get him. That's what the Knicks did with Carmelo. And then they found out Carmelo was sitting around with no furniture around the house. Didn't have any pillows. Didn't have any end tables. Yeah, there's Carmelo. Look at me. I'm great. Big chandelier in middle of the house. We're going to sit on. We gave everything away. This is a business, folks. You don't give everything away for anybody. I saw a story yesterday. It was like, oh, the Knicks should give away this, this, and I'm thinking, I'm the Knicks.

I got poor Zingas. I got Kevin Knox, and I have a chance to get the number one pick in Zion Williamson. What about Anthony Davis for? That's going to be a really exciting team. That's going to be a playoff team. Tell me one time Anthony Davis has been a solution to any major NBA dilemma. Wait a bit of the league seven years. I mean, I like him. But the Lakers worked hard to draft these players and scout these players and coach these players and develop these players. I'm not giving these guys away. I'm sitting there watching yesterday cable TV sports shows, and I'm on social media and the Angry Bird Twitter, and I'm listening to radio. a lot of talented people out there and there's a whole bunch of nobody knew anything.

Let's just state the two things we absolutely know. And these can't be argued. And these are for sure. Number one, the Celtics can't trade for him yet. They can't. Under NBA restrictions, the Celtics cannot trade for him yet. Fact. And number two, the Pelicans are pissed.

And they're mad at LeBron. And they're mad at clutch sports. and they're mad at the Lakers, and they're not going to do them any favors. They're not going to do the Lakers any favors whatsoever. They're going to want Lanzo and want Kuzma and want Ingram and want pigs and what they're going to want everything. So, you know, I understand getting excited about this stuff I really do. Let's put it in a little context. A little context.

All right, let me segue to this. Now we're going to talk Super Bowl. Everybody's got devices. Joy's got phone. I got a phone. Goulet's got phone. Tui got phone. Everybody's got phone.

I love phones, but I got kids. I know what they're doing to my kids and I know what they're doing to me. I'm less patient. People don't let stuff marinate anymore. They don't let stuff bake. Jason Whitlock says this about it. Great lines. Let's play it.

Young people today, they just hate the oven. They hate baking in the oven. Everybody thinks, hey, toss me in the microwave, and I'm going to taste as good as something that was slow cooked the way your mama used to make it. And it just isn't true. It's so true. Nobody wants to use the oven.

We all want the microwave. Somebody came out to me yesterday and said, yeah, I don't trust Jared Goff. Is he the future of the Rams? And I said, of course he's the future of the Rams. What I mean, he's not the future of the Rams? Well, I mean, I watch him. And I'm like, well, he's 14 and 3 on the road.

You don't think Jared Goff is the future of the Rams? Well, I mean, I watch him. You know, I'm against New Orleans. He wasn't... What? Let me remind you that we used to have before the iPhone patience. Give me Tom Brady's first Super Bowl. Oh, wait.

That year, he had an 86.5 passer rating, 18 TD's 12 picks. He wasn't elite. His second Super Bowl, two years later, he had 23 touchdowns, 12 picks, and an 85 passer rating completed. 60% of his throws. He was not a legend. His third Super Bowl in 2004, his passer rating was now

92, 28 TDs, but 14 picks. Tom Brady didn't emerge as a superstar until his fourth Super Bowl, which by the way with Randy Moss, he lost. That year, Tom was a legend. His passer rating was over 115.

He completed 69% of his throws, 50 touchdowns, 8 picks. Did New England? say, well, Brady's the guy. Folks, Tom Brady didn't peak until his seventh year in the league he was 30. That's when he was Tom.

You know what, Brady. Our devices, our phones, give us instant gratification. We don't let anything marinate and anything bake. Goff, at this point in his career, is better than Tom Brady. He's got a better arm. He was a three-year starter in college and the number one pick. Tom was the 199th pick.

Led by his defense, couldn't beat out Drew Henson in college. Jared Goff is not only the future of the Rams. At this point, he's better, doesn't have the rings, but he's better than Tom Brady. You do remember that Peyton Manning didn't win a playoff game until year six. Did the Colts want to bail on him? LeBron, we think of him as every year he's in the finals. First seven years got to one. Michael didn't get to a final until year seven.

Tom Brady was finally Tom Brady in his fourth Super Bowl, which by the way is the first one he lost. Jared Goff last weekend went into the loudest NFL stadium against a first ballot Hall of Famer and one of the NFL's top defenses. and my friends Jared Goff outplayed Drew Brees. Jerry Seinfeld created a show called Seinfeld. It was the best sitcom, in my opinion, ever. It was not very good the first year or two. Everybody loves Raymond. The network almost pulled it, but they let it marinate and they let it bake.

I love devices too, but they've created a sense of instant gratification. If you don't think Jared Goff is good and if you don't think he's the future, get off the phone, use the oven, walk past the microwave. He's really, really good, clearly capable of winning the Super Bowl, outplayed Drew Brees, and is talented more so than Tom Brady at this point in his career. is Anthony Davis, is this thing going to get done in the next 10 days? Chris Haynes, Yahoo Sports, knows his stuff. We'll join us on the couch coming up next.

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They feel manipulated. They're mad at LeBron. clutch sports. So I am told they ain't going to make sure the Lakers feel a little pain too. Does that inhibit the trade? Do you believe the trade gets done in the next 10 days? It gets done, meaning it gets done in him going to L.A.? Yes. I don't see that right now. I don't see that. I mean, if you look at their statement, you know, they're still on the league about looking into tampering charges.

Right. And so there's bad blood. Bad blood. And I was talking with somebody early in this, before I got on, they brought up Greg Popovich, how he was not going to trade Kauai to the Lakers. And I said, this is different. I said it's a little bit deeper even than that. Yeah. And so for that mindset right now, I do not see a way,

what are you talking about 10 days, that the Pelicans do a deal that will send AD over to the Lakers. I just don't see that happen. And I don't know if the league is going to let that happen right now. It wouldn't look good? Why wouldn't they do it? It wouldn't look good because, look, look, obviously, the league is investigating right now, those charges. I know they reached out to- Tampering charges.

I know they reached out to Rich Paul yesterday to interview him. And so this is something the league is not, and it's funny, Colin, because players, I get the point of it. Players have always, for years, talked about playing with other guys. Sure. It's never been an issue before. but now all of a sudden it's become an issue. Now players aren't allowed to do that. Usually it's just coaches and management,

but now it's an issue when it involves LeBron and potentially another superstar going over there. So this is that. For a lot of those reasons alone, Colin, I just don't see that deal getting done right now. Are we sure that Anthony Davis and LeBron will click? I've seen LeBron with Biggs, Chris. I heard what you had to say.

I've seen it. I've heard it. And they become stretch fours. And he frustrates the, you know what, out of Biggs. He always works with shooters. Yes, he's always said, give me Bradley Beal. He'd be great with Bradley Beal, who I think is totally underrated in this league. Are we sure it's going to work with AD?

Look, I will say this. I heard you mentioned Kevin Love and Chris Boss before. Those guys are not on AD's level, Colin. I will say that. And AD is 25. If Anthony Davis came over to the Lakers, if they found a way to make it happen, LeBron will pass the keys to Anthony Davis. LeBron will play second fiddle to Anthony Davis.

Day one? He hasn't established himself in L.A. yet. I understand. I understand. But I believe LeBron would hand over the keys, if not by day one, at some point during the season. Similar to what Wade did with Bron. Okay.

Let's address the Kyrie Irving rumors that he would join LeBron. You've talked to Kyrie through the years. You know him. What's up with that? Look, I'm not ready to put something out like that saying that he would join LeBron in L.A., but I was told and I reported that, you know, for Yahoo yesterday, that one of the reasons why Anthony Davis doesn't have self-dix as a high preference is because there are rumors circulating that it may not be a done deal with Kyrie resigning back in Boston. And I'm not saying Kyrie's not going to do that. We know he vowed to do so before the season.

Right. But those are some of the things, the factors that's weighing in, you know, Anthony Davis's decision-making process when he's trying to think about where's his next destination. And so that's just where his mindset is right now. And so I don't know. But I know the New York Knicks, the Los Angeles Lakers, they're going to be knocking on his door day one. Kyrie Irvin, that is, trying to lure him away from the Boston Celtics. Wojahy guy we both know reported that Clay Thompson, if Anthony Davis came to the Lakers, Clay Thompson would be. willing to consider the Lakers.

What do we know on that? Another guy I like a lot, a two-way player, not a huge ego. I think he could easily move into a Laker-Lebron situation and not have to be the guy. His dad, Michael Thompson's wildly popular in L.A.? If Golden State doesn't present that max offer sheet to Clay with or without AD, the Lakers will be an option. That's the simple fact of the matter right there. He's not taking a discount in Golden State.

I don't see it. Like Clay and KD, their deal should be done right at July 1. Throw the max at them. That's it. If you want to play with any of those two, that's where I think Golden State can get in trouble. And they can't afford to – they couldn't afford to play that game right now trying to go into that brand-new Chase Center that's opening up next season in San Francisco. They want that whole team intact for ticket sales and the ticket price hikes that's going to be in place.

So they can't afford to mess around. I have always been, because I've moved in my career, and I'd be a hypocrite if I wasn't pro player. I've always been for Kevin Durant and LeBron moving. I've moved in my career. I think, and I can broadcast for 30 years. They can play for 12, generally. And I think it's a new millennial thing. I was saying this earlier.

Millennials 23 to 38, they joined forces in AAU, three best high schoolers went to Duke. This is the new world we live in. I have no problem with Anthony Davis saying, Listen, New Orleans is an NFL city, and not an NBA city. You talk to these players. I've never had a problem with KD, LeBron. And I didn't think D-Wa-Wa-Wig going to Chicago was smart. Didn't have a problem with it.

I just thought stay in Miami, Aquawater, Pat Riley. But when you talk to these players, what do they make of the movement stuff? A lot of them, you know, some players, you know, feel like the odds are stacked against them. But for the most part, you know, players just want, you know, to free of the move and to play wherever they want to play. And I will say this, and I think the reason for that, you know, I fall in that, I'm 37, so I fall in that millennial category. I think the reason why players are stacking up. And they're not doing it early in their career. They're doing it later as a season progressive if they don't got a championship.

It was that they see how much criticism of those players, great players. When you talk about Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Carl Malone, John Stockton, no title. But those are some of the greatest players to ever play this game of basketball. But what we know them for, we know them for coming up short. We know them from not having a title. So their legacy is forever staying. And that's unfair. And so a lot of these players are looking at that and saying, man, hold on, I can't just be great.

Because my legacy, especially in Social Media Day and YouTube and all this stuff, like I would be ripped the strands when my career is over with highlights and clips of me never winning the whole thing. So I think that's why it's a lot of pressure on these guys to make sure, especially when it gets the latter part of their career, that they do at least give myself the chance to get a championship. Christine Yahoo Sports. Here's where you and I are going to disagree. Is that if I wanted a piece of ocean front property,

I'm not giving you all the rest of my properties to get it, even though I love it. Everything's got value. You know, what was it, Jay-Z that said, I'm not a businessman. I'm a businessman. Okay, the Lakers draft Kyle Kuzma. They draft Lawson. They draft Josh Hart. They develop them.

They coach them. Okay, they put a lot of time in this. I'm going to give you everything for AD because by the way I still if I have AD and LeBron need shooters I want to keep Josh hard I may have to trade Lonzo four months later to get another

shooter I saw when Mello they traded everything in New York for Mello and Mello sat there's a big chandelier and said there's nowhere to sleep I got no couch I got no furniture I don't buy this give everything for AD huh well okay I say I say give everything

include Kareem include James Throw them all in there. Like, this is a look. They wouldn't have win after LeBron James if they weren't committed to bringing a championship contending team like instantly, ASAP. It's a small win you have. And so when you're talking about Josh Hart, I love Josh Hart. But you can find a lot of spot-up shooters, like real gritty,

defendant-type players out there to supplement that. So, man, I think you got to, I think they got to do all they can. You can bring AD on board and get this show rocking ASAP. inertia, create momentum, create inertia. Yeah, you create it. And once you do, just like with New York, they're going to do a similar thing. They're going after Anthony Davis. And if you think if New York gets AD, you don't think Kimball's going to look over there,

you don't think Kyrie is going to look over there. And so all of a sudden, New York becomes a force. And so that's why you got to go now. Go water, getting as good, Colin. So you, Chris, you don't believe it'll happen by the trading deadline. Your belief is the NBA is not going to make. they'd like to put the brakes on this a little. By the way, they already pumped the brakes

and wouldn't let a Chris Paul to the Lakers go. I mean, people in L.A. got me very sensitive. New Orleans thinks nobody likes them. L.A. had Chris Paul. He ended up going playing for the Clippers. Now you're not going to let us have Anthony Davis? I don't think necessarily it'll be all on the NBA preventing this,

but I do think that the Pelicans, just for their own safe keepings, business-wise, they're best probably to do business over the summer. when Boston is able to join the building. Oh, no, no, from the Pelicans, I agree. But here's what I've been told. Pelicans are ticked off and they're going to make the Lakers feel some pain. But if I'm Magic and Rob Polenka, I don't want Boston, I don't want to go asset for asset.

And that's why I'm saying, Colleen, Lakers got to throw everything out right now. Right now. Where are you going to sit on the couch, not going to have any couches? You figure out later. You figure out, hey, the Goodwill, you can find a lot of good stuff at the Goodwill. You bring on some supplemental players, bring on some G-Lean. You can find, hey, if at the time being you can find LeBron has made a career out of bringing out the best of marginalized players. They can do it again.

So you'd be the GM. You just get the, you'd overpay for the JAG in the driveway. Then you go to Goodwill. Get the accessories, yes. Great seeing you, buddy. Thanks, Colin. Chris Haynes, Yahoo Sports. Read his stuff.

Joy Taylor with the news. news. This is the herd line news. You know, people walking by the house don't see the couch from Goodwill. Yeah, I got to sleep somewhere. You see the jag in the driveway. There is a lot of good stuff at Goodwill. I will acknowledge

that. Yeah. All right, so as expected, Connor McGregor's punishment for his role in the UFC 229 post-fight brawl was not as severe as Habib's. Connor's settlement with the Nevada Athletic Commission is a $50,000 fine and a six-month suspension. That's it? 50,000

six months. Habib, received a $500,000 fine. Oh, Lord. A nine months suspension. Yeah, but you know what? He jumped into the crowd. He did start it. You can't do that stuff.

It can be reduced to six months if he does an anti-bullying PSA. If he does this PSA, they'll both get the same ban, which is a retroactive ban. Yeah. To the night of October 6th when it happened, making them eligible to compete on April 6th. So it's not really a band. You know what it's a little bit like the malice in the palace? I didn't think it was the player's fault, but the NBA said, hey, You can't go into the crowd.

Right. You can't go after our customers. We just can't have that. I have no problem with the... I mean, I do think that Connor McGregor's fine should have been a little bit more. It feels like compared to $500,000, even if a beep did start it. But I have no problem with really any amount. What they're basically saying is if our guys are brutal to other guys and are...

At least we control it. Right. Don't go after our customers. No, I had a huge problem with this from the beginning. It's not okay. People... And I don't know how this is going to sound to people, but... This is supposed to be an art, right?

Like, it's martial arts. This is not just a brawl in the street that we're all going to. It's some unsanctioned fight. It's martial art. People pay money to go and watch this sporting event, not to get attacked in the crowd. And I don't care if they were going after the guys. Look at that.

It could have gone so much worse than it did. God, Lord. That was a crazy scene. It's so unacceptable. It really is. It's like someone could have gotten really hurt. Oh, Lord. It's crazy.

All right, so the Patriots are playing the Nobody Respects Us card, and it's probably a little fair considering the criticism that they've gotten this year. Everyone was talking about how a Patriot-like they were. We may have had some discussions about their skill players that they took personally. And Gronk says he does not take it to heart, and he uses it as fuel for jokes to lighten the mood in the locker room. He said, we know that there's been a lot said about us this year, but we've been embracing it, and I would say a little bit more than usual,

but we're not letting it distract us. We're just embracing it, taking it and bringing out good energy. We're doing it all for laughs and fun. They seem like they're having fun. They all have this air from Media Day, as if nothing that's negative that can set about them can infiltrate their good energy armor. Those kids are having fun.

Yeah, I mean, look, how many times have they been there? This is not new to them. Brady's like 41-year-old guy looking at these kids. Yeah, and the kids, I think it might actually have been that kid. asked Brady about the haters and how he handles the haters. And he says, you just, just handle them with love. You don't give hate back. That's right.

We're doing this all very, you know, nothing can bother us attitude. Finally, the Rams offseason splurred saw them at Marcus Peters, a key to leave, Ann and Domen Sue. And when Peters was asked about the team bringing in players with questionable reputations, he had an interesting comparison. He said, what happened with the Golden State brought in all those people? So what's the difference between them bringing in guys and us bringing in guys? guys. A change of scenery is always good sometimes. I guess it wasn't working in Casey. It was time to move

on. When you come into a great organization with a great head coach, great GM, great owner, and just the whole organization, how everything's run so smoothly. You respect it and you want to be a part of their things. Kind of sounds like a shot at Kansas City a little bit, but they did move on from him. Well, it's not like Kansas City. I mean, listen, we have an NFL and an NBA. You can win both ways. Now, the NBA tends to be more star-driven, but we had a dynasty with the Spurs, which was very much like the Patriots, which was Duncan in the system. But they did still have talents. Whether they were

polarizing players, they were very talented. Yeah, New England. New England has better talent than any of us want to admit. We make it out to be Brady and everybody else, but... Well, it's because we just focus on the system there, and they are notorious for not overpaying players. That's right.

That's not the situation with the Rams. Not that they're saying they're overpaying, but they are paying, and they're bringing in various characters. So, I mean, we talked about it before. Players have to support this RAM style because if NFL's a copycat league and guys want to get paid, this is the way to go. So I'm imagining players are going to be rooting for that outcome this weekend. Joy Taylor, the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. By the way, CBS Sports came out with a list of the 12 best players in the first. the Super Bowl. Actually, it was longer than that, but I'll keep it to the first dozen. Aaron Donald won, Todd Gurley, two of the Rams, then four straight Patriots, Brady, Stefan Gilmore, Pass Rusher, Trey Flowers, Shack Mason, a very good guard. Then they went all Rams, seven through 12, Andrew Whitworth, Jared Gough, Brandon Cooks, Rob Havenstein, the right tackle, Indomacan Sioux, and Robert Woods. I think Woods is a little underrated.

James White didn't make the top 12. Julian Edelman. Sony Michelle did not make the top 12. Do you think James White and Julian Edelman will play a bigger part than Indomacan sue in the Super Bowl? Call me nutty. I do. I don't know. I think New England's personnel. I got burned on this. I think here's the difference. New England's roster is mostly B minus B and B plus guys. The Rams have more A's, but they also have more C's. And so there are some things the Rams don't do well. I think their linebacking core is pedestrian. And I think the Rams secondary is way hit and miss. I think the New England secondary, it rarely gets caught in the wrong coverage or in the wrong spot.

I think the Rams are all over the joint. They make great plays. They make terrible plays. Sometimes they bite on stuff. They're out of place on more than, you know, more than New England. So I think the difference is New England's got a roster of B's. The Rams have more A's, but also more C's. But we know a key to beating Brady in big games is getting him off his spot.

That's the key. If Donald Kinsu has a huge game, he's right where he should be on that list, because that's going to play an instrumental part in the Rams winning if that happens. Yeah. I think I would put Aaron Donald number one. I would put Brady. No, I put Brady 1 and Aaron Donald 2. So I disagree with the list to start.

I'd go Brady 1, Aaron Donald 2. Well, it's tough. I mean, Todd Gurley is incredibly talented. It's just the last we've seen of Todd. girl he wasn't great. So that's probably a lingering feeling. I think Robert Woods is underrated for the Rams. I think he can block. He can catch. He's good after

the catch. He's good before the catch. He's got sure hands. He runs good routes. I think Troy Aikman said a couple of weeks ago he's one of the best receivers in the league and everybody kind of said, I watch every Robert Wood snap in college. I didn't watch all his Buffalo stuff, but I watched him in L.A. He's really good. He's not Julio Joan, not Antonio Brown.

Robert Woods is really good. So Belich should probably completely take him out of this game. Well, I've thought about that. I mean, that's the guy I would take out. That's the guy I would take out. All right, coming up next, this could be my favorite segment of the day. I am no millennial in my 50s. So I've watched Super Bowls dating back to the early 1970s.

And for a lot of different reasons, I like Super Bowls. I'll give you my five favorite. Each one, there's a different reason why it was my favorite Super Bowl. And I think this has the potential to be one for reasons we'll figure out pretty soon. My favorite Super Bowl's ever, there's five dating back to the early 70s. That's coming up in Best for Last. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app.

We have a stack show tomorrow. Saquan Barkley of the Giants who doesn't think I like him, but I do. Juju Smith-Schuster, who knows I like him. Danny Mendoza, former Patriot really thinks I don't like him. Danny and Mendoza, somebody told me this once. I didn't see it, called me out on Twitter. Why does Saquan Barclay not think you like him? Well, because I said I wouldn't have picked a running back, like the number two pick.

I would have picked Sam Darnold. But I said he's going to be a good NFL player. You know, it is the way today. If you don't love a guy, you hate him. It's like nobody wants any nuance or context. You know, I said, if I was a New York Giants, I'd pick a quarterback. Because I don't think the quarterbacks this year in the NFL are nearly as good as last year. I rely on my scouts, and my scouts have told me none of these guys are as good as Baker,

Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rose, and Lamar. They don't think they are. So I would have, and then you're going to have the same problem the following year. So when you have a great quarterback draft and you need a quarterback draft, draft the quarterback. Don't outthink the room. But Sequin's a really good player. So tomorrow I got guys that don't like me on the show. It's going to be very controversial. All right, it's our best for last. You know, I'm now in my 50s. So I've watched every Super Bowl since the early, early 70s. And, you know, people will make lists of the best Super Bowls of all

time. But that doesn't necessarily mean they're the best Super Bowls I remember. Of all the Super Bowls I've watched, then we're going on about, you know, 35 here. there are five for different reasons that stand out to me. So these are my most memorable Super Bowls. I'll start with one in 1973. Miami Dolphins were 17 and 0. I was seven years old. It was a first Super Bowl I watched,

black and white TV in my room in Grayland, Washington. And it was memorable because I thought they were my Washington, Redskins. I lived in Washington State. When I was a seven-year-old, they used to drive by the state capital in the backseat of my mom and dad. car and I'd look at the capital of Washington. You see it right there on the TV and I thought, oh, that's Washington, D.C. It was Olympia Washington.

I didn't know. I was like seven. And I hadn't majored in political science at seven years old yet. So Washington Redskins were my favorite team. They were getting dominated late in the game, 14-0. Yarrowe Premium was a kicker for Miami. They were trying to sew it up. Kick got blocked.

Instead of falling on it, he got up and through the ball weirdly. And Mike Bass picked it off, went for a touchdown. It was 14-7. Miami dominated the game. Eventually won the game. they had Mercury Morris, Larry Zonka, Bob Greasy, who I think threw 11 times. It's the lowest scoring Super Bowl of all time. That's the first great memory I have of a Super Bowl, 1973.

The next one that I really, really remember is the last Super Bowl of my childhood. Terry Bradshaw and the Steelers were a dynasty. They came out to the Rose Bowl, and they played the L.A. Rams, and everybody thought it was going to be a complete, and utter mismatch. Bradshaw had won three of the last five Super Bowls. They were the first dynasty of my childhood. Terry was Lynn Swan, Joel Starworth, the steel curtain defense, Franco Harris, Rocky Blyer.

And Bradshaw did not play well early. He had three picks. But then late in the fourth quarter, big drive, big pass to John Stallworth. He eventually was named the MVP of the game. It was 1980. It was Super Bowl 14. the second Super Bowl that really stands out to me in my life, the end of the first NFL dynasty of my life. Look that. You got the Dolphins and Steelers in your first. There I go. The third one I

remember is the first Super Bowl I bet at Ellis Island Casino in Las Vegas. I was broke and bet $600. And the New York Giant, Super Bowl 25 in the early 80s, Bill Parcells. This is, by the way, the only Super Bowl decided on a missed field goal, Scott Norwood of Buffalo. And if you remember what happened. The Steeler, it was a very low scoring. The Gulf War was going on. We had a Gulf War, Whitney Houston sang the anthem at halftime. They had a musical act, and the, whoever had the, whatever network, like ABC, went back to Gulf War live coverage. We had the, there was real security concerns here. It may have been the beginning of the stealth fighters. We had, we had security all over the place. The late Whitney Houston was there.

And Jim Kelly got the ball, deep in his territory, drove down. Scott, or had missed the kick. That was the first Super Bowl I ever bet. I was broken, bet $600, and that was a lot of money. It's a lot of money now, but it was a lot of money then. The craziest Super Bowl, this one sticks out to me, Arizona Cardinals and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, Pittsburgh that year was not a dominating team. Mike Tomlin was in his mid-30s. Pittsburgh was like, it was a lower seed. They were like nine and seven. They were not a dominating team, and they faced Arizona. And Pittsburgh dominated the game. Remember right before halftime, Steelers led like 10-7.

It was a nutty play right before halftime. James Harrison picked it up, and all of a sudden, Arizona's in big trouble. This was a massive play, and they go down and lead 17-7 at halftime. But then Arizona had a wild fourth quarter, Kurt Warner, who was an older quarterback, late 30s, had emerged as a top quarterback in the league, let him down. And then all of a sudden, Big Ben got the ball, not much time left, brought him down, made the greatest throw maybe in Super Bowl history. to San Antonio Holmes, they had to go to like replay. I still don't know if he got his feet in. I still don't know.

That was the craziest Super Bowl. It had big plays. It had a major comeback. It had the best throw I ever remember in the Super Bowl. And that was Super Bowl 43. That was in Tampa at Raymond James Stadium. Steelers come back, had the lead, lost the lead, come back to beat Arizona and Kurt Warner.

And the hardest Super Bowl, this is number five, was Russell Wilson and the Seahawks against the New England Patriots. And the reason it was hard because my sister never liked sports, and I love sports. And she suddenly Seattle got red hot with Russell Wilson. And my sister loved Russell Wilson. And my sister for the first time in her life liked sports. And so I was like, it was really cool that my family who didn't like sports and my sister who didn't like sports would send me pictures of watching the Seahog game. And she'd be sending me text and freaking out about Seahog games. And I was like, oh, I'd be great if Seattle won. But I lived in

Connecticut and had kind of fallen in strong like with Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and the Patriots. This to me was the hardest Super Bowl. I can remember, I also remember in this game, Seattle took a lead. Then Brady had an incredible fourth against the Seattle defense. And then Seattle came back and Russell Wilson made this incredible throw up the sideline, which led to the Marchion Lynch interception, should have given it to him. At the goal line, they threw it. The big interception by the Patriots.

What I remember is the wild throw by Russell Wilson down the sideline to get him in that territory because New England had the game apparently won, and then they almost lost it, and Richard Sherman freaked out because Seattle threw it instead of running it, and that was the hardest Super Bowl for me to watch because it was probably the most emotional. I really didn't care who won. A part of me wanted Seattle. Part of me loved Brady and Belichick, and so those are my five greatest Super Bowl memories. I know a lot of people think about the catch with David Tybal.

and the Atlanta overtime Super Bowl and the John Elway Super Bowl and the Brett Farr of Super Bowl. Well, it's just a matter of preference. Those are the Super Bowls that mattered most to me. I would have put the David Tyree catch one in there. It was crazy. I have never. That was in Phoenix, right? That was Glendale.

I have never rooted harder for a team I didn't traditionally care about than the Giants in that. I did not want the Patriots to go undefeated. Oh, because you were from Miami. I mean, that's all the dolphins have every year. Like, at least we were that one team that was a big one. So for you, that's a hugely memorable one. And it's kind of the same thing now because I don't want the Patriots to get six Lombardis. The Steelers have that.

Oh, wow. That is, I like that. A little behind the curtain there. So many of the Rams pull this out. You didn't want them to displace your dolphins and you don't want them to displace your Steelers. Yeah. The first dynasty I ever grew up with because I didn't have, I didn't grow up with the John Wooden Dynasty at UCLA,

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