The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Arman Tsarukyan on llia Topuria KO vs. Charles Oliveira, Islam Makhachev

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Arman Tsarukyan sits down with Daniel Cormier in an EXCLUSIVE CHECK-IN interview following Ilia Topuria's knockout vs. Charles Oliveira at UFC 317 during International Fight Week. Tsarukyan gives his breakdown of the Topuria-Oliveira fight and Joe Rogan "making a mistake" by calling Paddy Pimblett to the octagon after Ilia's victory. Hear why Tsarukyan was SURPRISED by Topuria's knockout of Charles. Arman also talks about dropping out of the Islam Makhachev title fight, his roast of Bryce Mitchell, and what he thinks of Topuria's new No. 1 spot in the pound-for-pound rankings of the UFC! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, Armon? How you doing? Doing great. How are you? Good man. Hey, so I was watching Instagram and I saw you just like housing thousands of dollars of caviar. Like, the shit is disgusting. It does not taste good, bro.

Really? No, you never tried the good one. I tried the good one. I tried the past caviar in New York City. The best caviar in New York City, terrible. Okay, how many types of caviars you try black? I tried just one black caviar, but it's so salty. Yeah, but there is seven different kind of them. And you got to come Russia and I'll show the real caviar and you're going to like it.

I can't eat this stuff, man. No, no, no. In Russia, you're going to hit it. Okay, okay. Hey, man, so thank you for joining me. Armand. Thank you for me. Things are moving fast.

Things are moving fast, champ. So, obviously, the fight with Islam didn't happen in Los Angeles as is well documented. Dana said something Saturday, he thought, and I made the same mistake also on the waiting show when I said... Yes, I see it. I saw that. Yeah, I go, him stepping on the scale is a big thing, considering he missed weight last time. but you did not miss weight last time. No, I have never ever, like, issue with my weight.

And the make-the-weight is not a hard deal for me. So, and especially how you can miss the weight if you're being waiting for that fight, like six years. And, like, I knew about that fight before four months. Like, you can bring your body, like, to that day where you're, like, good, you know. And it's not, like, four weeks or two weeks. you gotta jump in on a dive and like could do a lot of cardio

and I was lighter than the last ones you know I was lighter for three pounds and I was on the in the pictures how you can you can see like I was so lean I was in good shape you know

so the worst thing I were trained and they heard my back especially when I was dehydrated I heard my back and the doctors came and check my bag. And, yeah, they said, like, if you couldn't move, if you couldn't make the way, just don't do that. Armand, what do you think when you hear that from me?

And then you hear it from Dana, and you're like, oh, my God, this is so bad, right? Because you stepping on the scale is a great thing. But then obviously, I have a big voice in MMA. Obviously, Dana is the voice in MMA. When you hear that, what do you think? think, like, as the guy that knows, it wasn't a weight issue. It was a medical issue. I'm mad on the doctors. Because they're supposed to tell to Donna what really happened or they check my back and send me to do MRI or something and made the right decision, you know.

And Donna, like, until nowadays they think, like, I have an issue with my weight cut. But never. and I'm professional and like everybody who is close to me, they know me. If I'm in the camp or if I'm on the diet, I never eat like outside. And I'm so disciplined for that. And how can I miss that fight for the weight? It's like biggest fight in my life. It's going to change my life as well. And I'm going to make a lot of money.

and like after and I could be a champion and my life is going to change, you know. You get on the scale Friday as the backup fighter for Ilya to pour you, Charles Oliver. Going into that fight, what was your expectation? Did you expect Charles Oliverer to be more competitive with Toporia considering you and him had a decent fight in the last one?

I thought he's, the tapuia gonna finish him in the third uh round why when the because i thought tapura is not going to be rushed and he's going to like take his time because he's so confident on his feet he's not going to rush it and uh uh but like like olivera has no chin you know he he like a lot of people drop him and uh he plays guard but he's getting old now his chin not there And he has a way, so difficult way cut as well, you know.

And his time, I guess, passed. And stylistically, he's a bad matchup for the Tapura as well, because he has no wrestling to take him down. And on the feet, how you can beat Tapura. And Alibar has no good kicks as well. Like, he has push-kick. He started very well with push-kicks. and but then he just missed one punch and started like play his game on the boxing distance

how you can how you you should you should work like a straight punches you know stay on the long distance if you're on the close distance you've got to like just run out or like just go to the wrestling you know to try to take him down so when you watch that right they pan to all you guys sitting in the front row and they want your reaction What was your immediate thought watching Ilya to pour you? I mean, honestly, knock out Charles Olavera after knocking out Max Holloway and Alexander Volcanowski back together. Like, were you impressed by the performance of Ilya? I was impressed because it happened in the first round.

But I knew that he has one of the best boxing in our division right now. and he's the best weapon is a boxing so and when he knocked him out like that I was yeah I was I was surprised

like he just he just he just like fall like he just fall straight you know yeah so it was was good knockout

you know yeah well Norman you were the number one contend to go on the fight Islam after the fight didn't happen. Dana famously said he has to fight again. You go and you make the weight, right? So it is assumed that if the thought was that you had a weight issue, you make the weight,

now you're going to find yourself back in the number one contender position. But after the fight, the poor year starts to call everybody out. He called you out. He called you out. He called Gaecie out. He called Patty out. Patty was the one, though, that walked into the octagon. First off, how did that happen? How did he become the one that got into the octagon, and it wasn't you who was the number one contender? It was a Joe Rogan mistake. Oh, Joe Rogan called him in? Yeah, Joe Rogan called him.

It was the Joe Rogan mistake, and he shouldn't call his even name, like bring him to the octagon or like Petty. He called the Patty to come to the Octagon. And, yeah, I was surprised, but, you know, when Donna said it shouldn't be like that, I said, okay, hopefully he's not fighting for the title. You know, it's the summer.

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uphill battle now to try and change what people probably expect to happen now, even though in terms of what's earned, you deserve a championship opportunity much more than Patty Pimler right now? I mean, for it was like 20, 30 minutes I was of course upset because I said this is not sport, this is WWE. They

can do whatever they want to do. Like, just, you know, I've been fighting with everybody, you know, and like had a good win streak with the top, top fighters, you know,

and and, but, and then when I listened to Donald's interview about the Patty, I said, okay, hopefully he's not fighting for the title and they must put me on the title fight because I'm number one contender. I most deserve it fighters right now. And after me, they can't fight, but next is me for sure. Have you heard anything in the days that since the fight in regards to what's going to happen in the future at 155 with you and Ilya and Patty

and Justin Gaichi who won his last fight and said that he wants a championship opportunity. Yeah, I mean UFC going to decide who is going to fight for the title. And but if you ask

like fans and people they just call my name and they know like I'm real contender and and I know just me can beat Tapuya

How do you think you beat Iliate Tapu're like what do you make of him I mean because he's a guy that you know it seems all well put together right beautiful family great media presence can fight when you break him down in the fight side of everything

how do you beat Iliad to pour you is it just a matter of the takedowns because the the the word or the story is that he started as a wrestler and a grappler, and he has developed to become this tremendous striker. And if that's the case,

that means that it would be difficult to just control him with the wrestling. I mean, I just need the fight and to show everybody, like, I'm a different fighter, and I've been improving so, so much. And my last fight, my last fight was like,

one year and a half and uh i'm just can't wait to go there and to show like who is darman sarukin and uh why i'm number one contender and that day i'm gonna be a world champion so uh it's not just the wrestling it's uh it's a i'm a well-rounded fighter and i'm not gonna just try to wrestle him i'm gonna strike him i'm gonna kick him i'm gonna up kick him and you know and like try to do but Yeah, honestly, I'm not going to try to box him. I'm going to try to do like a real MMA fight to show him wrestling, to punch him, to punch him wrestling, to show him wrestling, to kick him, you know, and like clinch work.

Yeah, he, I watched his first fight and he was wrestling all over. He got tired so much. And he never fought his wrestlers like me, who knows, like freestyle wrestling. He had. Bruce Bruce Mitchell What's his name? Bryce Mitchell

Bryce Mitchell Bryce Mitchell As the world He's the worst fighter in 145 He took him down And like hold him Like with the crazy From the crazy position

He got his Single leg And he even he took him down Like I mean And he couldn't escape Like one minute He just

He was pulling the guard. If you're good on the ground, you never pull guard. You're just trying to sleep or like get out, get out from there. I mean, I can tell he's not high level. Yeah, on the video, his pads very well. And like, defend the wrestling. So, like, beautiful. But, I mean, it's not WWE.

I can't wait to show like everybody. You're funny. You said Bryce Mitchell is the word. First fighter at 145. I mean, no. I mean, he's a, I mean, do you watch his fights? Dude, I've watched his fights. I close.

He's like, he's kicks like he thinks he's kicking the ball, I think. Like soccer? Like soccer, yeah. You're so crazy, Armour. You're crazy. Oh, okay. You said that you would be the backup fighter to weigh in for the BMF title fight, Armourman? Why?

I mean, if they call me, If I need to be a backup, I'll be backup. No. What are you doing now? Where are you? Are you in Thailand? I'm in Thailand. What are you doing, training?

Yeah. This guy's on the station. No, no, I'm in vacation one week. I'm coming back on Sunday. One week vacation in Thailand, come back, start getting ready to be a BMF championship. I mean, come on, Armour. No, no, no, no, no. They didn't tell me like you're going to be backup.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm saying like if they need you. If someone pull out, if somebody happened, I'll be there and like try to make my weight and fight for the title because that's a good opportunity as well, you know? Yeah. All right, man. Well, listen, when Islam vacated the belt to go to 170, people thought that 155 might have a little bit of time to like recover. But it seems like with Ilya Tupoy, you now being the champion, you being here and all those other contenders, the division is just kind of waking up again with the change. And honestly, today, Armand, I'm going to tell you this.

Ilya is now number one pound for pound in the ESPN M&A rankings. What do you think about that? He deserved it to be a number one. Because he's a two-division champion, right? He's two-division champion. he like knocked out lost his fights and like he knocked out the goals and uh i mean how he went there and like knocked out charles over in the first round and uh and and uh Islam just uh move up if Islam gonna win the title in 170 he's gonna be pound for pound yeah for sure because yeah

it just takes time but uh i'll i'll send the but i'll send the i'll send Tapuia back to top 15 pound for pound. You're confident against Ilya. It's hard, though, because I'm not defeated. I mean, I would, when the fight started, I wanted to Tapuia win because for me, it's easy to fight Tapuia than Alibuera. Wait, I don't understand that, though. I don't understand that, Armand. Like, how can you say that really is easier?

Because I like to take down people, you know. When you take down Charles Aluera, he still can, like, choke you or something. some like do some mission. He almost had you. You almost had you. Yeah, but Tapuio is going to try to get up. Just he's going to like defend. He's not going to like.

And then you can like just go like thousand times to the take him down because there is no no problems on the ground. He's not going to try to choke you or something, you know. He's some, well, that Bryce Mitchell fight that you were speaking about, he won that fight by submission. Armour? I mean. Bradst Mitchell

Bradst Mitchell He was He was He used He grew up with wrestling No No he didn't No he didn't

He didn't I mean Maybe he's a good guy But not the best fighter I mean I watched his last fight I mean He's striking

It's crazy Where he trains Even Enjoy your vacation champ Thank you for joining it man I appreciate it Hey have fun You can keep that caviar to yourself

I don't want that shit I don't care if it's the most expensive caviar in the world I'm not eating it That shit is terrible salty No no you gotta come right shit bro And try there And you're gonna change your mind

Brother I might as well take a thing of salt And just pour it in my face That's how this tastes No no because you don't Try the good one. But okay. One day, one day, when you see comes to Russia, yes.

We go and try all caviors. Black caviar. Yeah. Guys, that's Armand Surukian. The number one contender for the lightweight championship in the world is hoping he gets a shot against Iliad to pour you. Go follow everything Armand's doing. Here's the man.

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