The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Baker Mayfield, Cam Newton, Patriots-Chiefs, & the Herd Hierarchy

Episode Date: September 24, 2019

Colin explains some of the obstacles Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield is facing, why the injury of Carolina Panthers QB Cam Newton may help the team, why the New England Patriots most likely went after WR Antonio Brown, and his new Herd Hierarchy. Guests include Mark Schlereth, Peter King, Sam Monson, and Reggie Bush. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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this league. And coming up in one hour from now, Now the herd hierarchy, all fired up for that. Great show today. Reggie Bush is coming on the show. What a mess in college football in Michigan. Some saying Harbaugh. This is his last year.

Oh, Lord. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Are the bills going to sneak in the hurricane? They just, I tell you, Nick Wright was right. He said, watch out for the bills. And some interesting numbers.

We dive into the data on Are the Bills for Real and other teams. I want to start with this, though. I watch the Monday Night Football game. I mean, Chicago's better. Chicago got a big lead. Chicago held on, not a surprise. Trebisky looked good. Don't go crazy. But I'm watching Washington and there's MTC, and it's a bad organization. They're dysfunctional. Because they've got a bad owner, Dan Snyder. I'm sure he's very good at many things. He's not good at owning an NFL team. He's really bad at it. Washington, since they moved into that building is what, 2 and 17 Monday Night Football at home?

I mean, they're just a mess. And so are the Raiders. And so historically are the Bengals. And so are the dolphins. And you know what they all have in common. course, and that would be below average ownership. Owners made their fortune out of football. This is often a toy for them. And you know what you do with toys. You know, you beat up toys. You don't take toys seriously. You put them in the garage and forget about toys. There's a lot of bad teams in this league. They all, all, all historically have bad owners. Some have good quarterback. Some have good lines. Some have good players. Some have pro bowlers. Bad owner, bad franchise. And so, Baker Mayfield, it reminded me of Baker Mayfield, so yesterday Cleveland loses, of course, on Sunday night.

And I said, you know, don't, don't go crazy. And Baker Mayfield had the right attitude. I want you to listen to what Baker Mayfield said, because it's the right attitude to have. Don't hit the panic button. I think we realize how close we are, but that's the frustrating part, is we can't have continued mistakes, you know, the same thing over and over again. We have to do our job. Let me defend Baker Mayfield here. He's right. Don't panic. I don't worry about Baker Mayfield panicking. He won't. The Brown's owner will because that's what he does for coaches seven years. When Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold came into the league,

and I said specifically over and over with Baker, Baker's talented, but he's going to have to be so much more talented to succeed than Lamar Jackson because he's going to have to overcome complete dysfunction. year two in Cleveland, Baker's on his third head coach and his third offensive coordinator. And would you be surprised if Freddie Kitchens has a couple more Sundays like that if they fire him? Baker Mayfield has already had as many head coaches, three, Hugh, Greg Williams, and now Freddie Kitchens that Baltimore has had since they returned to Baltimore and that Pittsburgh has had since 1969. I don't worry about panic from Baker Mayfield. What college football program is the biggest underachieving program in America?

Tennessee. They should be 11 and 1 every year. Biggest boosters Jimmy Haslam. It's the Brown's owner. What do they have in common? Reportedly, Tennessee is considering firing their coach five games in. Their owner panics. He's a bad NFL owner.

He may be a great guy, a great husband, a great dad, a great business owner. He's a bad owner. Baltimore considered for about an hour firing John Harbaugh. And then they said, no, no, no, that's not who we are. We got to give John Harbaugh more support. So they draft Lamar Jackson. Then they get a great coordinator for Lamar Jackson. In fact, think about all the help Lamar Jackson's had.

They went and got Greg Roman, a coordinator known just for quarterbacks that run around like Lamar Jackson. And then they got two tight ends. And they drafted two receivers. Then they got two running backs. And they let C.J. Mosley, a very good player, but expensive, go to get more young players, more support for Lamar Jackson. It's not that the Steelers haven't had a meeting or two about Mike Tomlin. It's not that Steve Bouchardy and the Ravens haven't had meetings about firing John Harbaugh.

Oh, they've had those phone calls. Oh, they've considered it, but they don't because they don't panic. That's why the Ravens have a great owner and the Steelers have a great owner. And when I looked the whole Baker-Mayfield thing, you don't think Brady's benefited from a lack of chaos? You don't think Russell Wilson's benefited from John Snyder, Paul Allen, the late Paul Allen and Pete Carroll. You don't think Drew Breeze has benefited from Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton? I mean, I love those guys. These are my guys.

Brady, Breeze, Russell Wilson are my guys. You don't think they benefit it? Ask yourself if Andrew Lux's career was cut short by a bad GM. Let's start with yes. Absolutely. You don't think Deshawn Watson's career scares the you-know-what out of me because they don't have a general manager in Houston. I don't worry about Baker-Mayfield panicking.

I never worry about Baker-Maville panicking. I worry about his boss whose entire ownership booster persona is panic. And Freddie Kitchens, I don't know if he's a good coach, but it would be like hiring a talk show host and giving him two shows

and going, you know, it's not working. I had been in the business 20 years. I started this network. I couldn't even get my hair right for a month. I mean, Freddie Kitchens, you got to give the guy a couple years, right? And they won't. So I got Bakers back on this. He won't panic.

They will. All right, let me shift. to this. It's a, you know, there was no reason for the New England Patriots to get A.B. They had just won the Super Bowl. Bill Belichick's defense, he was telling people after the Super Bowl, we have a chance to be so good defensively. They had suffocated the last seven quarterbacks had faced.

They go into this season. Josh Gordon's coming back. Edelman's healthy, and they draft a wide receiver. There was no reason to get Antonio Brown back, who has a reputation that is well-documented. Why do they do it? because of Patrick Mahomes. And let me give you an example. Patrick Mahomes is becoming Steph Curry.

He's shifting the paradigm. We never thought in the NBA, if you had told people 10 years ago in the NBA, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to just shoot threes. I mean, like a couple? No, like 40 a game. Who's going to shoot him?

This little tiny guy from Davidson, he's going to shoot threes. And it's going to change the whole league. In fact, he's going to get rid of centers. What? Yeah, like the game will get so fast. and Steph Curry will have such incredible range that you will be now seeking to find the next Steph Curry. He will change the NBA.

It sounds ridiculous. And that's what Houston's copying. And Portland's copying. And Milwaukee's trying to find. And the Celtics are trying to find the next Steph Curry. Who has a range that is hard to explain. What's frightening about Patrick Mahomes, he hasn't gotten breaks. Kareem Hunt out the door.

This year, offensive line banged up. Tyreek Hill hurt. They're on their third running back. And he is putting up numbers that are frightening. They're the only team I've ever seen at the midfield stripe. It feels like they're in the red zone. That's the red zone for them. Everybody else, it's 20 and in. For Chicago, sometimes it feels like six yards and in. For Kansas City, midfield is the red zone. Think about this. Their last two second quarters, these are just the second quarter. They've scored 51 points, had 480 yards, six touchdown passes and a completion percentage of 77. That's just in their last two second quarters.

This is why Belichick went out and rolled the dice on Antonio Brown. Think about this. The last six, seven quarterbacks he is faced. They can't move the ball in New England. They can't move the ball. Philip Rivers could not move the ball. Garrett Goff and Sean McVeigh could not move the ball. Sam Darnel was playing great the last four or five weeks of the year.

Played New England. Could not get first downs. Nobody moves the ball. Patrick Mahomes plays them and scores 24 points in the fourth quarter. Inhale. It was hailing. Belichick at that point said, okay, this is Steph Curry. We could put the world's best defense up.

Steph Curry hits a 37 footer. hits seven out of eight. We led by 18, we now trail by one. There are players that just shift the paradigm. You just can't explain them. You can't defend them. They're different than everybody else. That's Steph Curry.

18 point deficit entering the fourth. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got a shot. In fact, we could be ahead with four minutes to go in the fourth. Patrick Mahomes, Belichick has the, they don't get beat over the top. They have the best corners in the league. Everything New England does defensively is brilliant. And he dropped 24 points on them in lousy weather in a quarter. And so I think what you're seeing with Patrick Mahomes, who has not gotten every break,

his running backs aren't healthy. Tyreek Hill is out. They've had judicial issues. Had to get rid of Kareem Hunt. I mean, offensive line issues. It's not been perfect. This has not been everybody. It's like DAC right now.

Everybody's healthy. Everybody's play. It's not been that way in Kansas City. And, you know, Steph Curry, everybody woke up one morning and goes, you can just shoot threes. And you just win a championship on winning threes. Yeah, that's what you do. And I'm wondering Kansas City right now if Belichick is thinking, am I going to get beat with a team that I got better special teams,

significantly better defense, I think our coaching is better. I think we're better across the board. We just can't stop him. Will they change the NFL? That they can be average everywhere else. And Andy Reed and Mahomes will out clever you, out aggressive you, outplay you, and beat you.

Because right now what they're doing, without a lot of their key pieces. It's just insane. Good to have you. And heard hierarchy is 15 minutes out. We talked about this yesterday with Tony Gonzalez. Sometimes in a breakup, you need a transition. You need a pivot out of a relationship.

And you can manipulate it and try. I just think an NFL team got a huge break. They want to get out of this quarterback. They don't know how to get out of it. It's a tough breakup. He's popular. and they got a break. They got a transition piece.

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Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca. and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup,

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And nobody wants to be a running back. State of California's got three elite running backs. It's got 40 wide receivers. There are so many good wide receivers in football. It's the basketball position on the football field. And everybody wants to be a wide receiver. And they're just coming out of the NFL. Every year you get like 10 new guys. Kansas City's got two new guys. Like where do they come from? last night, all sorts of athletic ability on the perimeter. So sometimes Tony Gonzalez talked about this yesterday. When you get into a relationship and you want out of the relationship, you need a break, you need a pivot, you need a transition, you need help.

You start making excuses, picking fights. I always felt Oklahoma City actually wanted to move off Russell Westbrook two years ago and they got a break. Paul George came to him and said, I want out. And that allowed Oklahoma City to go to Westbrook and go, you know what, our bad. you deserve better than us, Russell. You go to Houston. We can't get anybody to stay here. Oklahoma City wanted to pivot off Russell Westbrook, but he's popular.

Ask the Giants on Eli Manning. It's hard to pivot off popular, especially if popular's won or been to a Super Bowl or been to a finals. Westbrook had. Eli had two Super Bowls. Cam Newton's been to a Super Bowl. He's been an MVP. It's hard to pivot off him. I believe Carolina made a decision about a year ago.

they're done with them. They just kind of, they're kind of out. They want to get out of the CAM business, and they don't, they don't, you know, they're drafting all these players offensively, and they're not working, and they know they're talented, and now Cam takes a day off, and everybody looks unbelievable, and how do you pivot out? This is a little bit of a break. Tom Pellasaro is reporting this morning that Cam is believed to be dealing with a Liz Frank

injury. The plan now is to keep rehabbing in terms of returning and avoiding an injury. It could be a while before. he returns to the field. This is classic. Cam, we rushed you back, are bad. It was irresponsible of us. Cam, we want you fully healthy. Let's go to Thanksgiving. Let's just get to Thanksgiving. This is the transition piece they need. Cam, and by the way, Cam's always had other interest in his life. Cam, rehab, our mistake, are bad. You stay, get totally healthy. And then they can watch six, seven games of Kyle Allen and make a determination. This is good.

McCaffrey, Kyle, Samuel, DJ Moore, Greg Olson, this is good. That's what Carolina needs. Because they're ready to move off camp. They just don't know what they have. And they need, I think you've got to have six, seven games with Kyle Allen. I mean, it was nice in Arizona. Now he plays Houston. But, you know, Arizona's rebuilding team and Houston secondary is weak.

So even after two wins, what can you say about Kyle Allen? You need about five, six, seven games. Let's see him at home. Let's see him on the road. Let's see him against the veteran coach. Let's see him again. Because Arizona's nice, but it's Arizona. And Houston's talented, but that secondary is kind of a mess.

So even if Kyle Allen lights it up this weekend, my takeaway to be, okay, that's great. We're not going to face those teams in our division. I got Drew Brees and the Saints. I got Atlanta, Dan Quinn. I got Todd Bowles, very good coach in Tampa. So this is the break they need because I, listen, Cam's been in this league now nine years. He completes 59% of his throws. His passer rating is in 85.

There's never been in the history of American television. A show that after nine years was just like, eh. And then it became Seinfeld. It became Game of Thrones. It doesn't work that way. Nine years is a lifetime in pro sports. Nobody in the NBA is eh for nine years. And then next year, Russell Westbrook becomes an elite three-point shooter.

His game is defined. He is what he is. He's got some great strength. So does Cam. So I think this is kind of a break for them. They want to see what Kyle Allen is. And so they can use the old, it's not you, it's us. We rushed you back.

Our bad, it's irresponsible. Please take Thanksgiving to get back. And it gives Carolina the opening to see if they've got the next guy. And by the way, Cam's got a year left on his contract after this, but it would not be. He's actually a little bit of a steal. He's making $22 million a year. He's actually kind of a, I don't know if bargains the right word, but in terms of sales and merchandising. and, you know, Cam's a little bit of a bargain,

so if you had to move off him a year early, you know, this is not moving off 35 large. It's moving off 22. Here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Mitch Chibisky finally got the Bears' offense going

against the Redskins last night. Yes. We're throwing no touchdowns in the first two games. Trubisky found wide receiver Taylor Gabriel in the end zone three times in the first half. He finished with 237 yards, three touchdowns and one interception in the 3115 win, but he says he still has a long way to go. I think we're still growing and evolving as an offense. I don't know if I'd call it a breakthrough yet.

We've got to keep getting better, keep going. Definitely room for improvement, definitely the second half, especially on my part. So I think if we just stick to the process and keep going and keep learning and sticking together, we're going to be all right. Chicago defense also had a big game, three interceptions, and two fumble recoveries and four sacks. Yeah, like you don't have to be an NFL scout. You can see certain things in this league. Like you can watch Chicago's defense and go, oh, yeah, they got a bunch of good players.

You can watch Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City and go, oh, they're way faster than everybody. It's like Chicago's one of those defenses that just jumps off the TV set. They get, they're, you never, even when you beat them on a play, their catch-up speed, they play, they always put pressure on the quarterback. They just look terrifying. Terrifying. Terrifying. Like, I just would not want to be on the other. end of anything that's going on there.

Aaron Rogers had a good first drive against them. And then you're done for the day. You're like, woo. That's what I'm saying. You could see right away against Aaron Rogers what they were working with on defense this year. With Chubisky, this is the type of game that keeps Chubisky going. What I don't like about Chibisky

is consistency. Like first two games, no touchdowns. And then you have a game like this. It's like, oh, yeah, we got the guy. He's supposed to do this. I mean, honestly, this is what you're supposed to do. I'm not taking anything away from it. It's a good game. I'm trying not do that this year.

Like, oh, he's playing Washington. Like you said, do what he's supposed to do. Right. But it's, you know, Kyle Allen was good against Arizona. But I think if you looked at film, if you were a coach of Carolina, you're like, we have way better players than Arizona. Yeah, but I wouldn't, I don't know if I would compare, because we didn't know what to expect from Kyle Allen. I will make this argument. Kyle Allen's more talented than Mitch Trebisky.

Kyle Allen was the number one quarterback in the country in high school, had a weird college career. I will make this bet. Kyle Allen is more naturally gifted as a thrower than Mitch Trubisky, and I don't think it's close. And I'm dead serious here. I got nothing against it. Everybody thinks I hate Trubisky. No, I just don't like the way he throws. No, I don't like Chibisky either.

I just don't know what his level up is. I think you're seeing it. Right. Yeah, this is it. And that's not enough. That's exactly. It's enough to win games. Right.

But that's not your goal. Right. Once you have to pay Mitch, then you can't keep all these defensive players. I mean, your goal is to win games, obviously. but your ultimate goal is to win the game, and do you think he can win the game? I don't. So the Jets are 0 and 3 for the first time since 2003

and have been without Sam Darnold, obviously, who's been out with Mono for the last two games. He's on track to return week 5 against the Eagles, and he's confident the Jets can turn the season around. Yeah, we're going to go on a little run here. It's going to be fun, but it's going to take a lot of work. But I know a lot of the guys on the team are willing to put in that work. Here's an interesting thing.

They have a buy this week, And then they play the Eagles in week five. But Adam Gays said yesterday that So Donald's going to be back. C.J. Mosley, Quina Williams, and Demarius Thomas are all trending to also be back. Oh, no, they can beat Philadelphia. Philadelphia is a mess physically. And their secondary is a mess. And they're all lines of mess.

Philadelphia is in danger going one and three. I think Green Bay beats Philadelphia on Thursday here on Fox. No, I mean, it's Philadelphia. Oh, no, I agree. I mean, so it sounds a little bit dramatic what he's saying. Oh, we're about to go on a run. But when you look at the first, full scope of everything.

He could be right. Like they're getting all their pieces back at kind of just the perfect time. Yeah. And I, and I, here's the thing. What I worry about, I've never had mono. I've known people who have for an NFL player to have mono. Like, can you come back? I saw a picture of Sam Darnold like a week ago.

He looked thinner. Like, I mean, it was noticeable. He looked more, a little thinner. So my takeaway is, I'm not a doctor. So in the middle of a season, can my quarterback get mono? take a few weeks off and come back. I don't know the answer. I don't know if he's going to be 100%, but who is?

Yeah, I guess. I'd like you to be as close to that as you can be. Yeah. Finally, Baker has made a big impression, at least in his rookie season, but he's not really lived up to expectation so far this year. He's telling fans not to hit the panic button yet, but Rex Ryan is already out on the quarterback. He said, he's overrated as hell.

Here's a guy right now that's a one-reed guy, and then he's going to improvise. He's got to realize that you are one of the slowest guys in the field when you take off with it. The ball's not coming out in rhythm. He's staring down guys and you're not that accurate down the field. Well, he, that's wrong there. Baker has not been accurate this year. Baker's an accurate thrower. He's right on the one component, though, Joy. Baker is a 48440 guy. Okay, let's not confuse ourselves with Baker's a great athlete. Defensive ends in this league run four-seven-fives. He runs a 484. So when Baker rolls right,

that's great when you're Lamar because you can always get to the edge. It's great for Mahalms, Brett Farr, Steve Young, Russell Wilson. Baker rolls right. Joe, you ever notice when he rolls right? He usually rolls right and back because he can't separate from the...

Like right there. So he ends up throwing the ball, not only rolling right, but rolling right and back because he can't turn the corner. Well, right. There's also, you know, the offensive line to consider. It's not great. Is Deshawns?

No, but... But what's he supposed to do? Just stand there. I disagree that he's a one-reed guy, and I disagree that he is not accurate. His offensive line hasn't been great. So your only option is, in a lot of these cases, to do what he's doing. And no, he isn't the fastest guy, but... How about run the football?

How about slants? I mean, there are some other options available, but I think it's just a little harsh on Baker. The whole notion that Baker is overrated only comes from his draft position. Right. Which is unfair. Like, of course, you have expectations when you're the number one overall draft pick. But he also went to the Browns. So let's keep it in perspective. Like obviously we've elevated the expectations for them based off the moves that they've made.

But also all of us who have been watching the Browns for the last 20 years are trying to keep it in perspective. But Andrew Luck and Deshawn Watson had horrible O-lines their first three years. They're winning their division, Joy. So I don't want to hear about his old lines no good. You're the number one pick. Deshawn Watson wasn't the number one pick. Who was Deshawn Watson and Andrew Luck go? Who are their head coaches? Who are their coordinators?

They were talented enough to overcome a bad O-Line. Russell Wilson led the NFL in touchdown passes two years ago with the worst offensive line. So if you're telling me Baker's the number one pick, I don't want to hear that, well, his offensive line isn't great. There's three great O-lines in the league. I'm not saying that there aren't some things that Baker needs to work on. I'm just saying that when you look at the entire perspective of everything, it's not all on Baker. You appear to be defending Baker. I am appearing correctly.

I am defending Baker. I don't want to hear about the O-line again. There's three good ones in the whole league. The new league is everybody's O-Line stinks. It's not just the offensive line. All right. Enjoy it with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News. Deshawn Watson watches Cleveland's O-Line and says, I'll take it. I'll take that offensive line. All right, Mark Slayer, with the great offensive line and multiple Super Bowls and Pro Bowls. Listen, you know, it's funny. I'm with you, boy. You know, Dave Wants has said something the other day.

He goes, everybody's blaming the officials for these. penalties. He goes, we won't play the offensive lineman in preseason. They can't hit in practice. The CBA has eliminated. He goes, offensive line's a specialty position. The best athletes are on the defensive line. Dude, let me, okay, let me just give you a kind of a scenario. Okay. Because I was an offensive lineman. Yeah. You've got to be a great athlete to play offensive line. We're the worst athletes on the football field by a long shot, right? I mean, think about you've seen a corner transition to safety. You've seen a safety transition to linebacker. You've seen a

linebacker transition to D-Anne. You've seen a D-N transition to offensive or defensive tackle. You've seen a detackle transition to offensive line. Offensive line, fan. That's the transition. Like, you are the last rung on the ladder. Offensive lineman, garbage

man. Right. I mean, that's the way it works. So by far. And I will tell you this. You know, I get so, I mean, I get pissed off when I hear skill position this. There's no greater skill than moving a man from point A to point B who has equal strength, who's 300 pounds and your 300 pounds, that's technique, and that's a skill that has to be developed. And we have a league where we don't allow these guys to develop the skill.

Yeah, that's what Wonstadt said. He said, we're blaming the referees for the penalties, but we keep taking time. He goes, of all the, you know, there's always been an understanding in recruiting. You can take a high school running back. And if he's great, he can play as a freshman. Alabama will play a freshman. Sure. You can take a great corner in college.

You can put him in the NFL. He can play. Lavian Bell doesn't play for a year and a half, boom, he's good. Offensive line, it is practice and chemistry and hands and feet, and we've eliminated a lot of the time they practice. Dude, if you and I just came in the studio here and played catch, we can throw the ball back and forth, we'd catch it, we'd throw it, it'd be great, right? If we moved this coffee table, did one-on-ones right here,

I'd open a can of whoop ass on you right here, because I have developed that skill over the course of my lifetime. You haven't. By the way, I have to tell you, too, on the Chicago thing, you were talking about that defense. Like I did their game two weeks ago in Denver. You did. And I got to tell you, so I deep dive into the coaches tape, right?

And I'm looking at this defense. I literally got diarrhea watching it. It made me so nervous because they are that good. They're so fast. Every level. And even the backups, I mean, guys that you've never heard of, you're like, oh my God, who is this? Who's 95?

Roy Robertson Harris? You know, like, who is that guy? I looked at it like from Khalil Mack to Hakeem. Hicks to Roquan Smith has got like the ability to diagnose to play like Ray Lewis and the speed of a guy like junior. I mean, the guy could play safety. No, you can watch. I don't have to be a scout.

You can watch the Bears defense. There's three or four things. Like you watch Kansas City's offense. I mean, you watch the Chicago Bears defense and you're like, okay. And by the way, this is true and this has happened in the NFL for years. There are organizations that draft positions and side of the ball better. New England does not draft. New England does not draft receivers well.

They do not. Pittsburgh does. Chicago has historically drafted linebackers and pass rushers. Sure. There's some scout in that organization. There is some organizational scouter executive for Chicago. Same with Pittsburgh and wide receivers. There's a guy in that staff that's figured out wide receivers.

New England needs that guy because they can't figure out wide receivers. Let me go to this. Baker overrated things. So, you know, I think Rex Ryan's a little harsh here. But there is something I want to talk about that you have to play to your skill set. Big Ben and Aaron Rogers would prefer to ad lib out of trouble. But they're athletically special. Aaron's got a special arm.

He's an athlete. Big Ben is a special size. Baker, I think, has a little DNA that he wants to move around. But he's a small guy. He's very much Drew Breeze physically. In fact, I think Drew's a better athlete. Baker ran a 484. is that when I watch Baker and his rollout,

Chris Collinsworth said this mark in the broadcast, he says he bails too fast. He's out to the right. The problem is when you run a 484 in 2019 in the NFL, when he bails, he's not significantly faster than the defensive lineman. I think Baker's limitations athletically make him a pocket passer. I think that's what he is.

I don't think it's what he wants or is comfortable being. Does that sound crazy? No, it doesn't sound crazy, although I did one of his games last year, and I was fascinated. Like, I was blown away by his ability, his understanding, his pocket presence to climb the pocket, to slide in the pocket, and to throw the ball from the pocket. And that's what he was really good at last year. It's amazing, though, and you talked about the offensive line. Take one of your best offensive line and probably the best one you have in Kevin Zitler, and just go ahead and trade him to the Giants. because you want to load up on Olivier Vernon.

Who hasn't had double-digit sack since Miami. So you get one right of, like, Baker's not a guy, and you talked about it, the edge. It's really hard in this league to be a quarterback that can get to the edge and get beyond the edge. Lamar Jackson, you can just see it. There's a few guys that are special that way athletically. But these defensive ends, Colin, they're running four-fours. They're four-three-eight. and they're 265.

I mean, it's a league of athletic freak shows is what it is. And so all of a sudden, you had best be able to climb a pocket, to manipulate a pocket, and to understand, you know, that you can get up in there, slide a little bit right to left, and open up a window. And he did it really well last year. I'll tell you the other thing that's interesting to me. And I don't think we make enough of the way teams kind of adjust

or the way they make decisions. So here you go with a head coach that started the season last year. He's a position coach. The quarterback's coach. He was the quarterback's coach. Then when they ended up firing everybody, he moved, was elevated to the offensive coordinator.

Then Freddie Kitchens goes from offensive coordinator where he's hand in hand with Baker and they're working on things together to all of a sudden, I'm play calling, but I'm also the head coach responsible for the clock. responsible for talking to the defense, responsible for everything. So you lose some of that connectivity. And I think it's really hard to be in a rhythm as a play caller

when you have other stuff on your mind as well. So I think there's a lot of different factors. And this is why I was down on Cleveland coming in, not because I don't think Baker can play and not because I don't think O'Dell can play and not because I don't think they have talented players. I think it's much easier to deal with failure. The human condition says to me it's much easier to deal.

with failure because it's something that motivates you, then it is to deal with success. And they read their press clippings. You know, I haven't seen, they're in every national commercial in America. Baker Mayfield may be in 13 commercials. So I just think that that's part of human nature. And I think that this is kind of what's catching up to the Cleveland Browns right now. All right, stick around, would you? Yeah, absolutely.

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We get it. Oakland's transitioning. We all get it. Those are dysfunctional organizations. I do think the Raiders will get it cleaned up in Vegas. And I think Miami's going to draft Tua and they're going to be okay. Right. Yeah.

So, I mean, the Raiders are a more talented team than they were a year ago. They're far more talented. Okay. So you did it. You watched Groo. Sure. Like when I watched the Raiders, offensively, they're not terrible. They're okay offensively.

Here's the thing. They're far more talented than they were a year ago. Yes. It's depth of talent that's going to hurt them. Right. Right. I mean, one, they were counting on Antonio Brown to be their Z receiver. Yeah.

He decided he didn't want to play this year, you know, because he's a petulant child. And so, you know, week two, Ryan Grant starts at Z. Week three, he doesn't even dress. He's like, yeah, that was a bad experience. So it's the depth of talent. We don't have a number two receiver. You know, we're developing a number three receiver.

We do have a legit tight end, but it's the depth of talent that hurts that organization. And they'll get more money. And when they move to Vegas and, you know, they'll have more first round draft choices and they'll bring more guys in. But that's a, it's a transition that they're going through. By the way, next to California, Nevada has no state tax. They will get free agents. They'll get guys who want to live in Nevada. It's got good weather in the winter.

It's no state tax. Don't kid yourself. Raiders will end up getting free agents. So we're talking about Patrick Mahomes has a Steph Curry component here. Steph Curry came into the league. And if you had said this 10 years ago, people say you're crazy. You can just shoot threes and be a dynasty. And people would have said, that's not the way basketball.

You've got to work it in. And then Steph Curry happened. He's literally over half court. He's in shooting range. Patrick Mahomes is, you watch Kansas City. The last two second quarters, they have 500 yards, 51 points. It's ridiculous. What was the best offense you ever faced in Denver?

Because I look at Kansas City and Mahomes with Andy Reed, and I'm like, oh my God. It is a video game. can score from anywhere, anytime. You know what they are? You ever see the movie Dodge Ball? Yeah. They're White Goodman. Hey, we're better than you, and we know it.

Like Global Gym, right? I mean, they are a global gym is what they are. It is, it reminds me back of the day when the greatest show on turf. Rams. The Rams came into existence. And I'll never forget watching Rams film, watching them play the Chargers. I don't know about you, but I've eliminated San Diego for my vote. vocabulary because I'm so afraid of saying the San Diego Chargers, right?

To say Chargers. Back then it was the San Diego Chargers. Like that actually happened. They actually really used to play there. Now I don't, if it's Padres, I don't care what. I don't use the SD word anymore. I've just eliminated it from my vocabulary. So anyhow, I look at the situation.

They always gave us fits when I was in Denver, even when we were in back-to-back championships, because that defense with Rodney Harrison and Junior Seow and John Porella and and Williams, and they mean, they had, They were legit. And I'll never forget watching the Rams playing. And they didn't even run the ball. They just diced them up throwing it.

They scored like 40 on them, you know? And I'm like getting done with the film. And I walked into Gary Kubiak's office, who was our office coordinator, I go, can we just do what they did? Like, that looks like a much easier, much easier way to beat them. Like, we're not constructed that way. Don't tell me about the pain, you know. I want to do what they did.

No, I contend that if you look at what Belichick had, Belichick just won a Super Bowl. Joy was here as my witness. Belichick, I had a source inside the building. Belichick was telling people we have a chance to be really good on defense. He had handcuffed the last seven quarterbacks, and yet they'd go out and get A-B.

That's with drafting Nikiel Harry. That's with Josh Gordon coming back. They had players. And I think it was because of that. That Belichick has handcuffed the last seven games, you cannot move the ball in New England. Mahomes put 24 points on him in a

quarter. And Bill's like, I can't coach my way out of that. And he's like, I'm not going to lose to this team because I lose 34, 33, and Brady throws for 400 yards. I just lost the Super Bowl to Philadelphia like that three years ago. I think Kansas City's a little bit in Belichick's head. Peyton Manning was always a little bit in Belichick. Remember when Belichick went for it, deep in his own territory on fourth and two? You're like, oh, Peyton's in his head. I think Mahomes in Belichick's head. I think he knows I can't stop him. Listen, put him on tape. Just put those guys. on tape. I mean, they got guys coming out of the woodward. I don't even know who they are. I mean, like, I watched film like I was a player. You know, I'm just like, who's 11? Who's 17?

So what my buddy said. Who are these guys, right? I mean, just like it's it like the difference when you're watching tape and you look at just the overall speed. And I'm telling you, like how he throws it, Colin, they're not afraid to go, what do we need to run? Five verticals? Everybody go deep, you know? I mean, and they've got enough on the edges, their two offensive tackles can play. Yeah. They've got enough on the edges to hold up. Patrick Mahomes has enough to scramble around and move around and throw off balance. And they, I mean, they just cut people up. Okay, there's a couple teams in the NFL that are 0 and 3 that I actually think have good players, Pittsburgh and Denver. I actually think Denver, I can't figure them out.

They have Vic Fangio and they don't have a sack. I can't explain it. But I've watched Denver, and I'm like they got hosed by the officials in Chicago. They played with Green Bay. You know, I watched them. You're in Denver, Pittsburgh. have you ever been in an O. and 3 team heading to week 4?

In the locker room, are people starting to peel off? Like, they're out. I don't, I wouldn't say that. I think there's a couple of situations, and this goes back to what we talked about with Freddie Kitchens. Vic Fangio's always coach defense

from, you know, upstairs at the coach's booth, right? Right, right. He's on the field right now. In two situations. So in that Chicago game, and I called that game, It's fourth and 15.

They rush four, drop seven, play coverage. They get beat by a guy in the slot that goes deep and in a dig route behind it, right? And they complete fourth and 15. They get the timeout called. They kick the 53-yard field goal, right? So now the first third down of the game, first third and long of the game against Green Bay. It's third and 15. They rush three and drop coverage eight.

Yeah. And Rogers holds it for six seconds. finds Devante Adams. So you don't like what he's doing. Like at some point you've got two of the premier edge rushers in football. At some point, you know what you have to say? I'm not allowing my team to get, you know, death by a thousand paper cuts. Right. And that's what he's doing. If I am going to get beat, I'm going to get beat bloody in somebody's nose. At least they know they've been in a fight. So you do, do you believe week four, oh and three teams feel like we got a shot? Jets today, Steelers today. Well, yeah, in the AFC, because you know who the number seventh

team in footballers, there's six teams that go in the playoffs in the AFC. You know how number seven is right now? Who? Mathematically, the Oakland Raiders. That's how bad the A lot. There's, there are 10 teams right now that are one or, are one and two or less. So either one

and two or O and three. Ten teams. So, that means that everybody is theoretically, still in it. Yeah, Kansas City in New England. In the AFC, you can have Houston has a bad old line and a bad secondary and they'll probably win their division. Like in the NFC, if you have a hole,

you're in big trouble. Like San Francisco offensive line now could be an issue. It's like, oh, that you can't win a division. Like the AFC, the NFC is more the SEC in football. It's just got more good coaches and more good quarterbacks and more good offensive lines. Philadelphia right now is loaded. They're in big trouble. They got to play Green Bay Thursday. They're in big trouble. Their receivers are hurt. Their oline is hurt. All right, we're out of time. Okay, see you later. Where do you keep your Super Bowl rings, by the way?

I don't know. You don't have them at home? They're home somewhere, yeah. I mean, you don't know where they're at. Yeah, probably in a drawer or something like that. Really? Yeah, safe maybe. I don't know.

Maybe? Yeah, it might be one or two in the safe one. I've got so many. I mean. Right, exactly. I mean, it's like... If somebody once asked me if I trade a Super Bowl ring for a Hall of Fame jacket, I was like, yeah, I got three of them.

Come on. I mean, sure. Mark Slareth, Hurd hierarchy. One of my faves coming up next top 10 teams in the NFL. Did Buffalo make it? Oh, my Lord. It's the herd. One more herd?

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Fox Sports Radio and FS1, we just saw, I got some great news. We can't tell you what it is. I mean, I got just the world's greatest news for our show, but I can't tell anybody. Joy knows, I know, and that's about three other people know. It's like I have to keep a secret now for months. Isn't that terrible? Yeah, and you're not the best secret keeper. Hey, I talk for a living.

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Yes. Even though you don't know what it is. That's asking a lot of the audience. It's great to have you enjoy. It's great to have everybody in. We do it on Tuesdays at this time. I wait until Monday night football is over. And it's very tough this week because I'm leaving two teams out of my herd hierarchy

that are really good football teams. There's a lot of good teams in this league. I think we've only got one lousy team in the league. That's Miami. They're tanking. They've got a plan. I get it. I respect it.

They play hard. I think the Jets will get better with Sam Darnold. Won't be great, but they'll get better. So they'll be a viable team. The Jets will be able to beat anybody outside of probably Kansas City, New England, you know, maybe a Green Bay in this league. Other than that, I think we got a mostly competitive teams in this league. When Gardner Minshue can come in and win a game, you've got a competitive league.

So here we go, our herd hierarchy. My belief, I do a lot of homework on this, our 10 best teams today in the NFL. Heard hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. All right. Number 10.

San Francisco. Now, they're 3 and O, and they can be very turnover prone. They're a young team, and young teams like Cleveland make more mistakes. Garoppolo 9 and 2 is a starter under Kyle Shanahan. You know I love Kyle Shanahan. But the story of this team is defense. Last year, they couldn't take the ball away. I mean, they just gave up drive after drive.

This year, they're second in the NFL with seven takeaways. The guys they drafted in the secondary can play. Their pass rush now with Bosa is better. And their second in total defense. Now, that's rare. When you can get a great offensive coach and you're actually rated higher on the defensive side. Now, again, I think they're going to end up. being a football team that's fun to watch and beating themselves in big games.

They are really young, but they do a lot of exotics, a lot of different shifts. They're tremendously young and talented on the perimeter, San Francisco, at 10. Number nine. I may have underrated the New Orleans Saints. Listen, Teddy Bridgewater, the reason I said they're not going to go away, Teddy Bridgewater, in his last 19 starts, is 13 and 6. He's actually not a bad replica of Drew Brees. Smart, grown-up, not real scrambler, doesn't throw the ball down the field,

but it's very coachable. Their defense is excellent. And by the way, they are, all three teams they've played this year were playoff teams last year. The Rams, Seattle, and Houston. So they have arguably played the toughest schedule in the NFL. I thought going to Seattle if you watch that game. They beat Seattle defensively. They beat Seattle in special teams.

They beat them up front. They beat them in coaching. That was actually a really impressive game. And by the way, the Saints now over the next four or five weeks, play a lot of teams. they should be favored over Saints at 9. Number 8. Well, I like Houston. My knock on Houston has been.

Deshawn can be a little turnover prone. He has not been this year. Only two turnovers all year for Deshawn. And when you play with his style, you will fumble more. He's not. The other thing is they're getting sacked less each game. Six sacks in game one, four in game two, two the last game. Why?

Because they went out and got Laramie Tunzel. They are now playing their top draft pick on the left side of their offensive line. Their offensive line is still a work in progress, but the left side of it, which for a right-handed quarterback is the more important side because he can't see that. The left side of their O line is better. Deshawn has pulled back on turnovers. I think they'll win this division for the foreseeable future due to Deshawn's greatness and Andrew Luck's retirement there at 8. Number seven. I think Buffalo is for real. And I know, first of all, I've said, great coaching staff, excellent defense.

Here's the gem on Buffalo. 3-0, they have scored on TD drives of 85 yards, 80, 75, 70, 98, 75, 75, 78, 75, 78. You do that when you got an offensive line. Okay, this is a cold-weathered team. They're built to win in the cold. That's why they drafted Josh Allen. Huge arm. When you play in Buffalo, you can't have Case Keenum.

You have a guy that can throw it. And they have built this offensive and defensive line to win in cold. old weather. They are putting the ball in the ground and these are 75 and they're not Kansas City. They're not in the red zone at midfield. They're the opposite of Kansas City, but it's been incredibly effective and I love this coaching staff. Number seven. Number six. Green Bay Packers. Again, last year their issue was sometimes Aaron Rogers sits on the sideline and watches the game. Right now they have eight takeaways like San Francisco. That's the difference. When you get a takeaway and you give the ball to Aaron Rogers, that's even better.

They lead the NFL in takeaways. They're second and scoring defense. They're tied for third in sacks. I still can't believe Washington wouldn't pay for Preston Smith. They got Adrian Amos in the back end. That savage, that rookie from Maryland, a monster hitter. This is a real defense. It's going to end up the year being a top 10 defense.

Don't worry about Aaron Rogers' offense. Just get out of that space. You look at some stats with Green Bay, and it's been a lot. little choppy. Come on. They play Denver, Chicago, Minnesota. The defenses this point forward gets significantly easier. The defense is the story for Green Bay. Number five. You know, I put the Rams here, and I know everybody, they're three and O. But I got to tell you, Todd Gurley, he's not the same. They do not have the juice in the backfield. I like Jared Gough. He's a better home quarterback than a road quarterback. So what?

So was Carson Wend. So was Mitch Trubisky. Most young quarterbacks are better at home than on the road. And I will say this. I do think they have a very good coach and they're not, they don't have a liability. Like they're secondary. They're D-line.

Their O-lines getting old. They're receivers. They're kind of B at everything. Now, they used to be B at everything with Todd Gurley A-plus and Aaron Donald A-plus. But I worry about the running game here. It just doesn't have the juice, meaning good luck in the NFC in shootouts because Goff isn't yet ready to, on a regular basis, outdoimal homes. He did it once, but the offense doesn't feel as dynamic as a year ago. Number four.

I told you, Baltimore Ravens blew me away. I don't care if they lost. They lead the NFL in time of possession. Lamar Jackson, 10 starts, 8 and 2. You know who he's lost to? Kansas City twice. Get used to that world. The other thing, this is what I like.

To be as dynamic as Lamar is, and Brett Farth through a lot of interceptions. Like that, when you're running around and making plays, you make turnovers. Lamar Jackson hasn't thrown an interception since week 11 of last year. So I get all the upside of his mobility. I get his running. But he's not making the big rookie mistakes,

which, by the way, Baker Mayfield is. Baker Mayfield's got like 16 interceptions in a year. So I'm getting all the upside of Lamar. And again, this is growing. He's a kid. I get no turnovers. I get a great running game. I think Baltimore is no fun to play.

They're contrarian to the league. They've done a great job in coaching. I have them at four. Number three. I'm going to go Dallas Cowboys. My only question with Dallas is, you know, they haven't played very good teams. So I know they're good.

When I look at Dallas, I see eight great young players. Amari, Dak, Zique, DeMarcus, Lawrence, Byron Jones, Vanderash, Jalen Smith. I see nothing but talent. I like their defensive line. Their offensive line gets all the credit. I like their defensive line. Their first on third down offense.

What does that tell you? Third down and three, they get the push on the offensive line. It's still, I think, when healthy, the best offensive line in football, third in rushing. And the other thing, they've only allowed one sack. Now, some of that's Dax pretty good at moving around. The other thing is, when healthy, this is the best offensive line. Probably the last five years in the NFL, four to five, maybe six years in the NFL, Dallas at three. Number two.

Kansas City. I mean, listen, Patrick Mahomes, 14 straight games over two touchdown passes. Okay, they're going to break the Peyton Manning record. I don't even know what to tell you. That's the Warriors six years ago hitting threes. How do you explain it? They're changing the game. I don't, now I will say this.

The reason they're not number one is they've got to get another corner. I do not think. Now, they'll probably win most of those fireworks shows. They are deficient at corner. And who's my number one team? Number one. The team that would beat you if you're deficient corner New England. Now, I will say this.

New England's got real issues here. They just lost Devlin, their fullback, and you could see Bill Belichick at the press conference. He didn't like that. They got no Gronk. They have a left tackle health issue. They lost their center for the year. Their wide receivers are a mess.

A.B's gone. Edelman's hurt. Chris Hogan's gone. Gronk retired and the rookies on IR. This is, you know, the last couple of years we felt like everybody helped Brady. Brady's keeping this puppy afloat. They have all sorts of offensive issues, but I will say this. Their defense, they're the first team since the 1951 Cleveland Browns, and who would forget those teams,

to shut out five straights opponents in the first half. And that includes Patrick Mahomes. This defense is rangy, fast, it's the best secondary. They lead the NFL in pressures. Their linebackers hit and can run. It's smart. It's well-coach. You can't beat them over the top.

this defense until they get healthy at wide receiver will probably win them all but one of their next seven, eight games. I've got them losing one. Maybe sooner than you think. There is the herd hierarchy. You know what I'm my clock today? What time is it? The clock's not working over there.

Oh, there it is right there. Okay, sorry about that, America. I don't know where I need my, you know, some things that you need. I need my morning coffee and I need my clock in life. It's going to be one of those days. I don't have a clock. I'm just absolutely lost. I think I'd move the Packers up to four.

You may, you know, here's what I worry about the Packers, because I thought about that. If you look at their offensive stats, it's like shocking. They're like 30th here, 28th there. Part of me is like bad defense. Part of me is like they should be better than that. Like I would get 15th, 16th, 14th with Aaron. When Aaron's 30th and something, my question is, are they a little further behind offensively? Because they got Devani Adams, they got Aaron Jones.

They always have good old lines. They have Aaron Rogers. they should be a little better offensively, although you play the Bears, Vikings, Denver, you're not going to score a bunch of points. Right. But you got to be better than 30 at this time. I don't know.

I just feel like they're more complete team. They're really complete. They're good. They don't have a lot of holes. They don't have a lot of holes. I think a real mystery in this league is the Rams. Yeah. Tard Gurley's not the same player.

He's just not. He's okay. He's a B-back. He was after Zeeke, the best player. There were arguments that he was better than Zique a year ago. And like, you watch him now, and you're like, he just does not have the juice. And I think the Rams,

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Carson Wentz leads the Eagles into Lambo field against Aaron Rogers and the Packers. It all starts at 730 Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. By the way, I'm a huge Carson Wentz fan, size, arm, athletic ability. He's the only guy in the league that looks like at times like Patrick Mahomes. Big, strong, runs. He can throw it from multiple angles. He's got to win more games. Now, again, they are a mess on the offensive line at left tackle.

They're a mess at wide receiver. They had seven drops against the Lions. Nelson Aguilar held onto a ball in Atlanta. three and oh, they're one and two. I think they're going to lose at Green Bay. But here's the thing about Carson Wentz. And again, I'm a huge Carson Wentz fan. I think, I said before, I think he's more naturally talented than Andrew Luck. But Andrew Luck with bad teams won 11 games every year. Carson's not winning enough games. He is, this isn't interesting. He's one and three against DAC. Now you say, well, that's just a small sample size. He is also in 18 opportunities

to come from behind and win, Carson Wentz is 4 and 14. In 25 opportunities to come back in the fourth quarter and win, DAC is 15 and 10. Dak wins games. Spectacular is great. But you know what Tom Brady can give me every week precision? Patrick Mahomes is a global all-time outlier. He's Brett Fav, okay?

Carson Wentz can be spectacular. he's not consistent enough for my taste. By the way, I think the strangest thing in the world, and again, I am a huge Carson Wentz fan. He has to walk by a Nick Full statue every week. Now think about that. What if Brady had to walk by a Jimmy Garoppolo statue every week? Could that mess with your head?

And I like him, but Philadelphia's got to win more games. And it's just like Andrew Luck had a terrible team on 11 and 5, 11 and 5, 11 and 5. Carson Wentz has a good old line. Left tackle now is a mess of turnstile. I mean, they lost Malik Jackson, but they have Fletcher Cox. It's Dax winning those fourth quarter moments. Dax's 15 and 10 in fourth quarter comeback opportunities. Wentz is 4 and 14.

Just because one of them throws a prettier ball, like I like the winning part on that. Peter King is now joining us via the Cower Global Satellite Network. Football Morning in America, NBC. I got to tell you, I thought I was wildly entertaining. if you'd have told me two weeks ago, New York Giants at Tampa, I just said, I'll pass. I found it wildly entertaining. I'm rooting for Daniel Jones. I really did.

I couldn't. My wife came over. She didn't like football. She's like, oh, this is fun. What did you make of it? I made that that's what the Giants should have done at the beginning of this year. They have put off replacing Eli Manning, and I understand the loyalty to him, but they've put it off for far too long. And it was, it was, it was time.

It was long past time. And Colin, when you knew that everything had changed is when they called a design run pass option, you know, right away. Yeah. Early in the first half. Yep. When, you know, he faked it. He put it in the gut of, uh, of, of Sequin Barkley and then pulled it out and ran around the right side. And he scored a seven yard touchdown.

I mean, he scored half as many touchdowns in that game, basically, as Manning has run for in his career. I'm exaggerating, but it's close. And the Giants now have a 2019 quarterback. They used to have a 1995 quarterback. And all I know is that you can win with the 1995 quarterback, but I would rather have, if the 1995 quarterback isn't winning, then let's go with the 2019 quarterback. and wisely, Pat Shermer made that call.

By the way, Baltimore moved off Flacco. They're happy. Giants moved off Eli. They're happy. Arizona moved off Josh Rosen. They're happy. You can go back. We looked at this this morning.

Buffalo moved off Tyrod Taylor who made the playoffs. They're happy. Everybody that's moved off their quarterback. And some of these quarterbacks, Eli, Flacco, they've been to Super Bowls. Everybody's working. The young quarterbacks are working. So I look at Cam. And, I mean, it's, listen, we're nine years into this thing.

He's not physically the same. percent completion percentage. quarterback rating 85. Kyle Allen comes in, who was a spotty college quarterback, but a great high school quarterback. He's got a good arm. And everything works Sunday. Now, it's Arizona, but everything works. All these teams, Peter, that are moving off quarterbacks, it's working. And the teams that are stubborn, maybe a Cincinnati, maybe a Tennessee, they're stuck. I wonder with Cam and this injury now, which they say is going to be multiple weeks, is Carolina looking at Kyle Allen saying, this is our break, this is our opportunity to see if we have the next guy in the building. Do you think that's true?

I mean, they're doing it out of necessity right now, and they're basically saying Ron Rivera and the offensive coordinator, Norv Turner, basically saying, let's see what happens. I think it's unfair to judge Cam Newton on the first two weeks of this year. Number one, he had a bad foot from a preseason injury. And number two, like he told me in training camp, he was going to be a different quarterback in 2019 than he had been earlier in his career. You take that, those two things, plus the fact that no quarterback coming off shoulder surgery is going to have the howitzer that he had. Right.

And he's not going to play the same as the way he had. So I think it's brutally unfair to judge what Cam Newton did in the first two weeks and to say, well, if Kyle Allen plays, they got to replace Cam Newton. Cam Newton was a work in progress. We'll see if that still happens. I don't know if it will. But, you know, hey, Kyle Allen has got a chance. He looked fantastic. Yeah.

Even though he was playing a bad defensive team, he looked really good. Now a bigger test comes on the road in Houston when he's got to play a team that's going to chase him all over the field down in Houston. Lamar Jackson, 8 and 2 as a starter, only lost to Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. I said, I said this yesterday. it happens occasionally where I watch a team lose and I'm more impressed with them than I am in wins. They never gave up. I think their offensive line is excellent. Their running game's tremendous.

Lamar, to me, they've got a point of view and an identity. I still can't figure out Cleveland's identity. I'm not blaming Baker. I can't figure it out. I know exactly what Baltimore is and what they do well. I got to tell you, I think Baltimore, everybody knows New England, Kansas City is good. I think Baltimore is the third best team in the AFC. I think Lamar is getting better.

It's happening in front of our eyes. He's obviously coachable. He's bulked up. I came out of that Kansas City game and I'm like, I think I'm finally all in on Lamar. Am I overreacting? No, you're not. In fact, for my column next Monday,

I'm doing a big chunk on Baltimore because I think that they're the type of team that on December 1st could be a lot better than they are on October 1st. because they have a young quarterback who's young and growing and learning, and especially if Earl Thomas can stay healthy and they can continue to mature on defense, that's going to be a team that can beat anybody anywhere. I thought it was hilarious yesterday.

I forget where I read this, but somebody did, you know, people do power rankings. And somebody said that Baltimore dropped one spot to number six in their power rankings. Now hold on a minute. They played the most explosive team we've seen in football in years. You know, they played this incredible offensive machine at home with this quarterback who's on pace to throw for 6,400 yards and 54 touchdowns or something absurd like that. But they took the Kansas City Chiefs right down to the end and lost by five. And you drop them in your rankings? I mean, it's the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

But I do think now, Baltimore is that one team that, and I'm just telling you, Colin, they are built to last. Yes. Because they always, always, always gather more draft choices through compensatory picks. That is one team that if I'm a fan of a team right now and I want to be a fan of a team for like the next 10 years, obviously Kansas City. I get it. Obviously the Rams, but don't overlook Baltimore. I think the Rams have their issues.

I don't think Todd Gurley's the same player, and that's no knock on anybody, but yet I have not seen the juice of the first couple years in the league. Peter King's joining us, NBCSports.com. Peter, it's really remarkable. There was a time very recently where 50% of first round quarterbacks busted. The last 15, only Paxton Lynch hasn't worked. Everybody works now. I think it's a great sign for the NFL. I'm not a huge fan of Trubisky, but he's winning games and I can't criticize him.

Kyler Murray's better than I thought. Daniel Jones is better than I thought. I want to go now to Aaron Rogers because we've always put Aaron in the Veteran Hall of Fame class. We know he's good. But their offense has been clunky early. Now, it is the Bears, the Vikings in Denver. Give me your takeaway, your macro view, on what we've seen on Green Bay, Aaron Post-McCarthy, LaFleur that we had doubts about,

the veteran guy we expect. What do you make a Green Bay, their offense, how it's all clicking? They play Thursday night, by the way, against Philadelphia at home, a huge game for both. Well, I think the one thing that you can say about the Green Bay offense is that Aaron Rogers takes the field knowing that he doesn't have to score 33 points every week to win. That's right. He knows now that he's got a defense. Brian Gutikunz, the general manager in the offseason,

not only did he think, of course, this is a huge decision. Who's going to be our head coach? Who can really go head to head with Aaron Rogers? We need to find somebody who Aaron Rogers is going to respect and is going to go head to head with and be a good partner of in terms of the game plan and all that. But in addition, they had to find a defense that was going to be competitive. So they went out and spent a trillion dollars on the Smith brothers, Preston and Zadarius.

And on Sunday, when they really needed a boost defensively, you know, those two guys combined for five sacks. And I think now going forward, what you're doing in building that defense up is that you're giving Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleur a chance to mature into a very good offensive team. It wasn't going to come right away. If you tell Aaron Rogers, we want to play tempo. He's never played tempo. I'm not saying he's occasionally hasn't gone no huddle, but mostly he comes to the line. He's a thoughtful guy. Okay. And now Matt LaFleur wants him to let's go, let's go, let's go. Continue to put the pressure on the defense. Not necessarily going no huddle, but coming to the line,

snapping it with 12 seconds to go. Let's go. Let's go. Play fast. And so, Aaron, Roger has to adjust to that. He will, and I still think this will be a top six or eight offensive team by December. By the way, do you think Cleveland unravels here a little bit? I think they're going to lose at Baltimore to New England, to Denver. It's a young team. Freddie Kitchens. I don't put a lot of this on Baker. I've been critical of Baker, but there's a lot of issues here. Fundamentally, their owner moves off coaches. Baker's now in his third head coach in his second year. Do you think they unravel over the next couple of weeks with that schedule, or do you trust them? I mean, think about this schedule.

Baltimore, San Francisco, Seattle, New England. I mean, this is a team right now that, okay, they're one and two. And, you know, the Rams are a tough team to beat anywhere. So I get that one. But this is a team that really, you're right, you talked about Aaron Rogers being clunky on offense. This is a clunky offensive team. Yeah, yeah.

And right now, I mean, if I could give Freddie Kitchens one, piece of advice. If he wants to call the plays, then he needs to give the authority of things like clock management and some other things. He needs to think about giving that away. Yeah. And I'm fine with him, I'm fine with him holding on to, you know, holding on to offensive play calling. That's fine. He's good at it. He was terrible on Sunday because I think he's thinking about too many things. Hey, look, a year ago, he was the running backs coach. Yeah. What's your authority? Hey, you know, put this guy in and nickel.

I mean, you don't have any huge job. And now he's got the biggest job of them all and he's got the weight of great expectations on his shoulders. There's just too much to think about. And that was an ugly end of the Rams game on Sunday night. Yeah, I don't put all this on Baker. I think these young guys need support. Lamar's getting support. Baker's not getting as much support.

And it's fun to work. watch, but it could unravel quick Peter King, NBC Sports Football Morning in America. Good stuff. Peter, love having our show on Tuesdays. Thank you, Colin. You bet. You know, Joy, did you hear that fairness out of me? No blame in Baker? I've really turned into it. This is why we do journalism here. There's no agendas on anything. I mean, it's good to have perspective, Colin. That's right. Look at it very easy. I could literally walk in this morning and just take an anvil on Baker-Mayfield for three hours. And here I'm his friend, compassionate and honesty broker. The guy should literally give me his email. I should be his agent. All I'm doing

is, and I will say this. Email? I don't think all this stuff's on Baker. In fact, at this point, it's about 30% on Baker. He's made some bad throws. He's got to get out of this rolling out. I mean, I was saying that earlier. You were giving me a hard time. Hey, I test my... I'm the one that gets out there first

and after I get all the heat. I never said this job was easy working. You know what? You're starting to pull a Joel clap move on me. I see what you're doing here. It's one of my favorite seconds. It's a good move. Joy, with the news. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. I will continue with that. Obviously, Freddie Kitchens took a lot of heat for that play calling in the Browns' loss on Sunday, and he admits he needs to do better, but he said he is not taking a step back from calling the offensive plays. You can write that if you want to, but that's not even feasible. That's not even, that's not being considered. No, it's not. We're not panicking.

But we also understand the short-compliance. that we've had. I understand the shortcomings that I've had. And I'm going to get better. Our team's going to get better. You know, listening to him, I understand he has a lot of expectations. But if you keep things in perspective, which we don't really have a lot of time to do anymore, because we expect everything to happen instantaneously. And it is the pros. So there's a level of expectations of excellent and excellence and at least some explanation for the decision-making that you're doing. he's never been in a coordinator before. Yes, and also this schedules, come on, the schedule's awful.

Like Tennessee in the opener looked like an easy one. Tennessee crushed Dallas and New England. This schedule, you know what Baker Mayfield needs? He needs a good case of Cincinnati. And it's not on the schedule. It's at New England. I mean, at San Francisco. It's like this schedule was really predictable.

Now, I still contend week eight on, they're going to win six of their last eight games. But this is, this is ugly. year than you want it to be, but if they were losing by one point, it would still be the same outcome. This schedule was not built for Baker-Mayfield, Freddie Kitchens, and this roster to win these games. You're veteran teams. Right. Now, if this is a veteran coach making decisions like that, or a coach that's at least been with Baker for a few years, then it's a different situation. But they're in this together, learning this situation together. It's

kind of similar to Cliff Kingsbury and Kyler Murray. With better personnel, yes. With better personnel, so there's higher expectations on the Browns than there are for that situation. But it's very similar. So I don't want to come down on Freddie Kitchens for this. Obviously, like Peter just said, it was not pretty. It was a very ugly ending to it. National TV games. So everybody, though, every player and coach and the media person league watched it.

They had an opportunity to beat a great team in the Rams. And it just felt like you blew it as opposed to, all right, they're just not playing well enough and everything's falling apart and there's big injuries. Like, you're in it. and you don't make the right decisions, that's kind of more frustrating. And that's, again, why I don't put it solely on Baker. So speaking of Kyle Murray, the Cardinals are 0, 2 and 1 this season, and Kyle Murray's performance in Sunday's loss to the Panthers set a record that nobody wants. He completed 30 of his 43 passing attempts for only 173 yards.

That's the fewest yards a quarterback has put up with at least 30 completions in an NFL game since 1950. Yeah, I mean, listen, if I, if I, If I owned the Arizona Cardinals, I'm doing backflips. They are the most entertaining bad team in the league. And at this point... Well, yeah, that's true. At this point, I think that's all we can ask with this personnel. I got a big 12 football coach who got fired.

I got top, bottom three offensive line in, I think probably the best division. I've watched both... I've watched Arizona two weeks. I come away like, oh, they're not that far off. They're in games. They're in games. They were in the game against Baltimore. In Baltimore.

They're in these games. I didn't expect... a high-flying Patrick Mahomes type of situation with Kyle Murray. Again, I think you have to temper expectations when you have the situation like this. But I do want to see a little bit more as the year goes on. Like they can't keep, how much more of this type of play and inconsistency is not going to be a good thing.

They're entertaining now, but after a while, that's going to start to be a problem. Finally, Daniel Jones led the Giants to their first one of the season with 336 yards, four touchdowns, and no interceptions on Sunday. But that performance, he is now past Kyler Murray as the favorite to win offensive rookie of the year. Let's slow down a little. These are the odds, according to Fox Bet. He doesn't have Sequan Barkley.

Can we slow down? He beat Tampa. Let's slow down a little. It's New York. Eli Manning has an bench. It's been time for a new era. Fox bet guys. You know, they're British, so they could have had a couple pints last night.

Things got fuzzy. I actually like, I like Gardner Minshu. Oh, good Lord. He drives a Corvette, a red one. No way he's winning offensive. A right for that's a very nice car. He's not winning offensive. Get you a lot of tickets.

He's not winning offensive rookie of the year. How about that receiver for Baltimore, that kid? Markis Brown. He's on there. Is he on that list? Yeah, his third best odds. Yeah, I like him. I'll go with him.

That's the safe pick, yes. This Gardner Minshew thing, let's, again, people. All right. Now, remember three weeks from now when Colin's like, you know, Gardner Minchew, almost a lock for offensive rookie of the year. He went to Washington State, and I grew up as a kid. I hated Washington State. I like Washington.

He was at the UCLA game on the sidelines there. Drew Bledsoe is the only cougar I've ever liked. So it's very hard for me to watch a Washington State cougar come in and tear the league up. And his mustache. Yes. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Okay, let's start on things. You guys love Baker. I didn't love him as much. You loved him a lot. He is throwing a lot of picks. He is running for his life. What do you feel on Baker Mayfield today? Are you still all in on him, Sam?

Yeah, I mean, we still love him as a quarterback, but he's definitely not playing the way we thought he would play heading into this season. I think overall, things are not well with that Cleveland offense. It's not just Baker Mayfield. I think it's the offensive line. I think the play calling isn't helping. But I think all of these things put together are kind of magnifying the flaws

that Baker Mayfield did have as a prospect. He was always prone to holding the ball a little bit too long, even at the college level. That's getting worse now in the NFL. He's holding the ball, on average, a couple of tenths of a second longer than he did this time last year. And that doesn't sound like much,

but that's a significant increase in the amount of time those guys. guys have to pass block up front and they're not as good as they were a year ago. So really all of these things are snowballing and Baker's not playing as well as he did before. Now, I did not, nobody ever talks offensive linemen in the NFL and I don't talk about it much, but they traded away Kevin Zitler to the Giants. It was one of these moves nobody talks about to get Olivier Vernon. I didn't like the move because I thought the Brown's interior offensive line. I thought their tackles were terrible. So does that matter? Have you seen grading film that that

That move to trade away arguably their best offensive linemen has hurt them. Yeah, well, that's what we're here for, Colin. We grade linemen as well as everybody else. Let's talk about the big guys. I think you're right. Look, he was their best pass blocking player last season. He was the best pass blocking guard and all the football last season. So trading him away definitely wasn't going to help that offensive line.

But I don't think it would have fixed it either if they'd had him in the team in 2019. Even just with the Giants, his grade and his numbers are significantly worse. they were a year ago. So I don't think Zytler would have repaired everything. And I don't think it would stop Baker being concerned about that offensive line. He's still worried about the pressure coming from the tackles. He's still going to be bailing from the clean pocket the same way he would be even if Zitler was there. So yeah, it definitely didn't help the offensive line. But I don't think that's the root cause of all of the problems. What do we make at Kyle Allen? DJ Moore, McCaffrey, Greg Olson looked like a new tight end. Curtis Samuel's got all sorts of talent. Boy, they

just popped. And I mean, do you buy into Kyle Allen? Is it time to move off Cam? He is hurt. What did you make of Carolina's performance on the road? Offensively, it was very impressive. It really was. And I think what we saw is just how big a drag Cam Newton had become on that offense when he's playing through all those injuries. He's just not the same guy he used to be. And as long as he's playing at that kind of level, Kyle Allen looked like a huge upgrade. Because what Allen brought to the table was accuracy. And whatever we think of about Cam Newton as a quarterback. He has never been one of the more accurate quarterbacks in the NFL. He's always been a little bit scattershot with his ball location. Kyle Allen was dropping

these passes exactly in stride, hitting receivers so they didn't have to adjust. DJ Moore was able to run after the catch score touchdowns. You know, they have built that receiving core so that it gets open. It gives the quarterback wide open windows to throw to, but those guys are also really good run after the catch threats, whether it's DJ Moore, whether it's criticism. Samuel, whether it's Christian McCaffrey, and suddenly they've got a quarterback that's able to hit those guys in open space and not cause them to have to check their run and slow down. They can get those yards after the catch. So so far, Kyle Islands look fantastic because of it.

Carson Wentz, I like him a lot. I think he has some Mahomes DNA where he can be spectacular, arm size, angles. But he's 4 and 14 in fourth quarter comeback opportunities. Dak is 15 and 10 in his 25 fourth quarter of comeback. opportunities. What is the film say? What do the grades say on Carson? A guy I like a lot. Is it all the drops this year? Is it his left tackle situation? What's up with wins? Why doesn't he win more? Yeah, and I think you have to look at the manner of these games the last couple of weeks. He's actually thrown what could and should have been game-winning touchdowns in both those losses.

You know, the Falcons made an incredible call to come back and snatch that game from the death. They got that Julio Jones touchdown, but the Eagles answered right back and went through a ball to Aguilar that should have been caught down the sideline would have probably ended up as a touchdown. There was nobody in behind him. And then this past week, there was another pass drop this time in the end zone by Dallas Goddard. Went should have two more wins on his record this year. And if that happens, you know, we're probably not having this conversation because sometimes what a quarterback does just doesn't match with the results.

He's relying on other players to pick up their end of the bargain at the other end. and they haven't done that for him this year. One minute left. Patrick Mahomes is great. Nobody disputes that. He can have quarters that are just, that are literally as good as most quarterback's games. His last two second quarters, he's thrown for like 490 yards. Is there anything he's doing better this year?

Better, Sam, that he did last year. I don't know if there's anything he's doing better, but he certainly hasn't got worse. And that was the narrative all the way through the off season. You know, 5,000 yards, 50 touchdowns. There's no way he's going to repeat that. He's going to regress. But he hasn't. And the really scary thing for everybody else is that he's still leaving some meat on the bone.

There are throws out there that he misses. There's some, you know, there's some poor accuracy every now and again. If he actually tightens those up and hits a run of really impressive form where he's not making those mistakes, he's going to be legitimately unstoppable. One more question. Green Bay's offense has been choppy. What do the grades say? What does the film say? Yeah, I mean, I think their defense is dramatically improved.

but the offense, not that much has changed. Rogers has still remained the same kind of guy. He's still tending towards the conservative end of the spectrum. He's not putting the ball in harm's way that much. And, you know, that offense has not transformed him the way a lot of people thought it might. I think Aaron Rogers is a bigger root cause of the issues there than people have thought over the past few seasons.

How about that? You don't hear that much. Maybe, you know, we're all banging on Cam. Maybe Aaron's got a couple issues himself. Sam Munson, Pee. PFF.com, by the way, use the promo code quarterback 25 to get 20% off your subscription. PFF.com. It's fantastic. By the way, and they great offensive linemen, which a guy, I don't watch a lot of O-line play. Sam, great talking to you. Anytime. Thanks for having me. NFL analyst, pro football focus. PFF.com, QB25. That gets you 25% off your.

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Limitations applied. Discover.com slash travel automatically matches the miles you earn at the end of your first year. 35,000 could become 70. Speaking to USC, one of the great players in the history of the program, Reggie Bush, joining us number two pick overall. So it's a big week. Last week we had a big week of college football. This week we had a big week of college football. USC is at Washington. That will go a long way in deciding a lot of things in the Pack 12.

And we also have a situation where Wisconsin steamrolled Michigan. Now, when you watch the game as a former player, forget the score. What did you see? I saw a very dominant Wisconsin team run over Michigan in all phases of the game. offense, defense, Michigan couldn't move the ball on offense. They couldn't protect the quarterback. They had a lot of missed assignments. Tackles didn't know who to block.

You had particular run plays where guys are blocking, you know, two players are blocking one and three. And so one of the questions has always been from the start of season is, what is Michigan's identity? And we thought this would be the game. We might see that identity come about because they had two weeks to prepare for Wisconsin. And it really just looked like, and this play right here, actually, this play to me was when I knew it was over because one of the issues from Michigan has been turnovers, right? Protecting the football.

And then you put the fullback in there, he fumbles the ball, right? And so it's like this disease that you have on your team. And I've been on a part of, I've been on teams like this before. I think it was my first year in Detroit. We couldn't stop turning the football over. And it was like, it would be Calvin one week. It would be me. One week.

It would be Stafford. It'd be Joybill. And it was just like, where is it coming from? or how do we stop it? And so anyways, I just think that right now it seems like there's no energy. Did the players quit at Michigan? I don't know if they quit. I just feel like they just didn't have, they weren't prepared.

I always think when you have extra time to prepare and you look bad, you can lose. Right. But I mean, Belichick and Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, go look at their record. Lou Holtz off a by, Barry Alvarez, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, you give good coaches extra time to prepare, it's lights out. Like it's an 80% winning percentage. I like Harbaugh, but he hired an offensive coordinator. Yep, Josh Gaddis.

Without a lot of experience. And I, but here's my thing. I don't think it's Harbaugh. I think it's Gaddis, but when you make $7 million as a head coach, it falls on you. It falls on you. Because you hired Gaddis, right? And I don't even want to put all the blame on Gaddis because the one thing I did not see. And this has been a staple of the Harbaugh brothers, right?

is they are tough, right? When Harbaugh was with San Francisco 49ers, I hated playing that team because they were tough as nails, and you knew that it was going to be a physical game, right? Oh, yeah. You knew Patrick Willis was going to line up and try to smack you in the mouth. You knew that.

He did the same at Stanford. Exactly. It's Stanford, too, right? They became the most physical team. It was USC and Pete Carroll, and Harbaugh's Stanford team was the most physical team in the conference. And I did not see that this game with Michigan. I didn't see any physicality.

I didn't see anybody on the side. sideline angry that they were getting whooped like that. I need to see leaders on the sideline screaming and shouting, what's going on? We got to pick this up. And I didn't see that. I didn't see that from the leader. I didn't see that from the quarterbacks. The quarterback looks

indecisive. He looks like he's not sure if, you know, how to be a leader. I just didn't see enough leadership from their players that any of the championship teams I've been on, we almost would have been fighting on that side line at the defense or the other

players saying that we got to pick this thing up right now because we're getting embarrassed out here. Jonathan Taylor, by the way, is pretty good. I want to go to a couple. You played in the NFL for 11 seasons. And, you know, it's funny, there are so many quarterbacks in this league now. They're young and they're all working. And they're all, there's no like pure pocket guy. Even Daniel Jones is running. And I look at, I mean, I mean, and kind of can move. Like, right? Like Alex Smith, he can move long speed, straight speed. And I look at Cam Newton and Cam's beat up. And I wonder if listen,

Cam was exceptional, but now I look at all these young guys and I'm like, it feels like the clocks. It's over. Like it does, it feels like it's over for Cam. It's ticking because I always felt like Cam Newton had the ability to really revolutionize the position, the quarterback,

the way that the game is being played at the quarterback position. Because before him, the only other dual threat, real dual threat quarterback can think of as Michael Vic, right? If there's somebody else I'm missing there, please remind me. Well, Russell Wilson, I think, and Steve Young are the best ever. Yeah. And I think they, yeah, I think Russell's the best.

Steve Young wasn't a dual threat like, you know, RPO's. No, that didn't really exist. Right, right. I felt like Cam had the ability to be that. And now, like you just mentioned, every quarterback is that, right? Every quarterback come out of college is a dual threat quarterback. And so you had the young kid, stepped in. He played exceptionally well for Carolina.

So Cam's not new anymore. He's not new anymore. Everybody's doing this and the other guys aren't beat up. They're not beat up. And so I always wondered because. if you're going to play the position like a running back, you're going to also have to suffer the consequences that a running back suffers,

and that's injuries, right? And I wonder how much of the injuries have mounted up against his body to where now his body is just failing him, right? And also I have to also wonder about off the field, like his business stuff that he's involved in because I don't think that by his fashion and him dressing well, that means he's going to play bad on games, but perception is reality.

for quarterbacks, you know it's even more of a reality, right? And so people will always go back to the game where the fumble and the Super Bowl, he didn't lay it all out on the line to go for the ball. And listen, at the end of the day, that doesn't mean that Kim is not a great player. He's a great player. But the perception is he's not all in. He's not all in. That plays not all in.

Exactly. And listen, there's a new owner there. Yes. He doesn't care about the MVP season. He is looking at all this stuff. He wasn't there for that. And Kyle Allen cost him a nickel. And he's like, well, if I get all these young quarterbacks, I can pay.

Save some money. Yeah. Let me ask you about, like, let's go to Cleveland. And I've talked a lot about Cleveland, but I do think they're fascinating. Yeah. Because I always felt Cleveland would lose a bunch of games early and then win a bunch of games late. And there'll be a borderline playoff team. I don't have them getting in, but I have them fighting for it late.

So the first part of my prediction is happening. It's interesting because they gave Freddie Kitchens the job. He was a position coach this time. last year. Is it possible that Baker had too much influence on the coaching hire? Well, you know, this is all still kind of new to me. The one thing I will say that if Baker had an influence on who was going to be the next head coach, then the Browns are exactly who we thought they were. Because there's no way in hell a rookie quarterback should dictate to an organization, a professional organization at who the next head coach is going to be.

He's still trying to learn how to play football at this level. alone should he be dictating this is who my next coach should be because again there's a lot of great experienced head coaches out there that could have taken this job and and it kind of leaves you to wonder what some other coaches could have been. I'm not ready to write them off, but we got to have a sense of urgency right now because you guys are way too talented to be putting that kind of film on on tape. Right. And the eye in the sky does not lie. And what we've seen so far from Browns is not good enough to not only get to the playoffs, but not even to win that division. Oh, God, no. Baltimore looks a thousand times better. Baltimore looks really good right now.

You know, it's interesting. I was saying this, and I'm not a tape junkie, I watch games, and then I bring on analysts like you. When Baker rolls right, he doesn't only roll right, he rolls right and back because he's a 4840 guy. So the defensive end runs as faster, faster. When Lamar rolls right, he runs parallel out of the line and makes the corner. Yes. Daniel Jones outran a corner. Yes. So when Baker rolls right, he's rolling back. Yep, yep.

Because that happened a lot in that game. Yes, because there were a lot of fadeaway throws in that game. Those are low percentage throws. So if you're going to be a scrambler like Russell Wilson or Lamar, even Daniel, Alex Smith, though. You better have to speed. You got to be able to turn the corner. Baker's throwing back foot. Yep, yep.

He's got to do a better job at staying in the pocket. Obviously his officer line has to. to do a better job protecting him. But he's got to get comfortable living in that pocket because you ain't outrunning Aaron Donald to that sideline like he just tried to do it right there. You're not. And you're not out running.

Every team has a fast guy, has an elite player that will knock your head off and that can run you down. And so in this league, if you don't have Lamar Jackson Speed, you need to find ways to live in that pocket so that you can deliver that football down the field. And I've seen Baker do that.

He can do that. And that's one of the things I love about him because he can deliver that football down the field on a rope. Right? But when you get to scrambling and doing the fadeaway throws, you're limiting yourself. You're fighting with one hand behind your back. By the way, there was a nice moment this weekend for you. You were at the USC to Coliseum. I've never liked how Trojan fans treat you. I think you're probably the most dynamic player of my life, certainly of my life. I wasn't back in the 50, 60, 70s. I was young and not yet brilliant like I am now. So I've told friends this. I don't get the grudge. You know, and you were at the USC game. And it was, let me just ask. you a personal question. Were you nervous? Was it a hard night for you? Give me your emotional state during the game. Were you driving to the stadium nervous how you'd be treated?

I would never be nervous to go back home. And that's home. And that's exactly what it is. That's a place where, listen, we helped rebuild that program. There's a place where I became a man. That's a place where was my sanctuary for three years, right? That football field, that stadium, that fan base and so I was not nervous. I was excited. I couldn't wait to get in that stadium. And people were nice to you. People loved it and people were excited as well. There are a lot of number five

jerseys up there in that stadium still. A lot. A lot of them. I was at the Fresno State game. It's hard to explain. I put you in a category of Tim Tebow, Reggie Bush, Vince Young,

where you literally you could literally walk into that stadium and everybody wore your number. It's home. That's home and always be home. Yeah. Good for you. Yeah. Good senior, Reggie. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. I think it's update time. Yes. Okay. By the way, we have the stupidest sounding game

in the history of the show, but it'll be very good. True Bisckey or False Biskie. Listen, we roll the dice here, folks. We roll the dice. We get it right every once in a while. Joy with the news. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Speaking of him, Mitch Trubisky. Truebisky.

Finally got the Bears' offense going against the Redskins last night. After throwing no touchdowns in the first two games, he found my receiver Taylor Gabriel in the end zone three times in the first half. And he finished with 237 yards, three touchdowns, and one interception in the 3115 win. But he says he has a long way to go. I think we're still growing in and evolving as an offense. I don't know if I'd call it a breakthrough yet. We've got to keep getting better, keep growing.

definitely room for improvement and definitely the second half, especially on my part. So I think if we just stick to the process and keep growing and keep learning and sticking together, we're going to be all right. I don't know what to make of Mitch Chibisky. I'll tell you what, some of those Chicago-wide receivers are pretty interesting.

They got some interesting little, and they got Tariq Cohen. They got some gadget guys, clever guys. They do have some talent. Obviously, when you think of Chicago, you're going to think of their defense. That was a great, by the way, that was a great throw by Mitch.

You can make great those. I know, I know. But I just, that was a great. I got to be more positive in life now. I've been very negative with him. He's probably a wonderful family. I'm going to be. None of this is personal.

I know. I feel like I've been a little personal with him. Why? I don't know. I just feel, you know what? Because Baker has sometimes been obnoxious, so I've reacted to that. This guy's never been obnoxious. No, but it's okay to say that, well, I could say that I don't know if he's the guy in Chicago.

Well, I already know. Personally, yeah, he's not. I just don't think he's consistent enough. But you can put up a game like this. Obviously, it's against Washington. But I like what Chicago's done the last. He did what he's supposed to do. Ever since Chicago got this new GM in, this Ryan Pace guy, I like their players.

I like how they draft. They got clever players. Their defense is just incredible. Rolkawnd Smith is absurd. So the Jets are 0 and 3 for the first time since 2003, and they've been without Sam Darnold, who's been out with Mono for the last two games. He's on track to return week five against the Eagles, and he is confident that the Jets can turn the season around.

All right. Yeah, we're going to go on a little run here. It's going to be fun, but it's going to take a lot of work. But I know a lot of the guys on the team are willing to put in that work. So interesting, Adam Gay said yesterday at CJ Mosley, Quinn & Williams, and DeMarious Thomas are all trending towards playing Week 5 against the Eagles. So they could have all four of them, including Sam Donald's back. But Philadelphia plays Thursday, so Philadelphia will have extra time for that game.

I don't love that. I'm like what I'm seeing from Philadelphia this year so far. You know, God, they drop, they can't catch. They're the, oh, you're right. Jet Charonabai. Okay, so they're both, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they've got to get C.J. Mosley's obviously number one.

C.J. Mosley's kind of the captain because they got Leonard Williams, and they got C.J. Mosley and Jamal Adams. So the middle of their defense is great. Their issue is they're bad at corner. I mean, I'm just excited to have Sam Donald back out there. Yeah, so much. I mean, how healthy he is truly going to be after being out with Mono for five weeks. We don't know.

Do you know anybody that's ever had Mono, by the way? I'm sure I do, but I don't know. I never had it. It can take a long, like I knew somebody that had it. Well, clearly. I mean, he's out for five weeks. Yeah, no, I knew somebody that was like out of work for two months. Like, couldn't come to work for two months.

So I don't know. I'd never had it. Well, hopefully you'll be back for week five and we'll see what the Jets can do. I'd like to see them take a step up, at least offensively, this year. Yeah. So having all those guys back will be crucial for that. Finally, Baker made a big impression in his rookie season. Not so much this year so far.

Baker is telling fans not to hit the panic button, but Rex Ryan is already out on the quarterback. He said he's overrated as hell. Here's a guy right now that's a one-reed guy, and then he's going to improvise. He's got to realize that you are one of the slowest guys in the field when you take off with it. The ball's not coming out in rhythm. He's staring down guys, and you're not that accurate down the field. I think it's a little harsh.

A little harsh. I think he is accurate. I think his accuracy because he's running for his life is dipping, but I think it's unfair to say Baker-Mayfield's not accurate. I don't even care what the grade to say. He is an accurate throw over the football. He is an accurate throw of the ball. when he is sitting in the pocket and throwing it. What he's been doing with the rolling out and back

and trying to throw it off his back foot while running away from Aaron Donald is not the best situation. That's more what Rex Ryan is talking about. Like, you're not faster than those guys. You know what? For all the nonsense with Baker, I will say this. He makes these games interesting. I got to tell you something.

Yeah, I mean, interesting was never going to be in question with the Browns this year. I think interesting matters to bad. Like Arizona, Kyler Murray. I think he's interesting. It's better to be bad and interesting than bad and boring. Yeah. I watch that, I watch Arizona play and I'm like, this is fun. This is a Carolina, Arizona, I was riveted.

So I got cams out and I got this new kid. I'm like, Kyle Allen. And then I got I got Kyler Murray over here. If I live in Arizona, I would buy season tickets. I'd be like, oh, I can watch that for the next four years. I wouldn't even mind losing. I can, I got the Seahawks coming to town. I got the Rams.

I got the Niners. There's a lot of quarterbacks. I wouldn't mind losing this year. Yeah. But I would come, I think Arizona is an interesting watch. Arizona's interesting and so are the Browns for sure. But the Browns, unlike Arizona, have actual expectations of playoffs Super Bowl to some, not to anyone rational.

But there were several expectations of them to take a big leap this year, especially with the personnel that they have. But they're lacking some pieces right now. Yeah, they are. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News.

You know, Joey was saying this the other day. We don't like to say body language. I've said, I think the Adam Gays of the Jets, I think it's body language. It's been bad. And I remember when Matt Patricia took over as the lion's head coach and he came out and he wore his hat on backwards and he just looked sloppy. And I went on the air and I said, dude, this is a $3 billion organization. You're the CEO of it.

Matt, Patricia, get your act together. You can't wear your hat on backwards. You're not some frat boy at, you know, the cove knocking down Bud Lights. You're like a coach for the – and by the way, the next one, week, he turned it around. I'm not a body, you know, language expert, but Adam Gase pulling his hat down, you know, we're missing this guy. It's bad. That echoes through a locker room. I got to tell you something. When I'm watching Aaron Rogers and I'm watching Matt Lafleur together, this all sounds stupid, but it looks like it should work. They look like cousins. They look like they're

like almost like they're just one separation from bringing brothers. And it's always funny because I think Goff and McVeigh look like they'd work together. I think Shanahan looks like he'd work together with Garoppolo. I think Dak and Jason Garrett, they both have the exact same temperament. I think Big Ben and Tomlin tend to be skimpy on the details, gut-feeling guys, kind of alpha. They're kind of alpha males. There are combinations of guys. I'm like, eh, looks like it would work together.

It could be crazy, but Aaron Rogers was talking this week about it, how, like, the whole locker room feels like it's different now without McCarthy. It's just a different energy. You know, it is palpable. It's contagious. It's charismatic. And it's fun. It really is. And that's not a knock on McCarthy, but I had said this before you were on the show.

McCarthy's this conservative, this traditional. He looks like a Milwaukee cop. And then you got this California, this kind of out of the box, this glib ad liber, who's always funny at a press conference. I just never thought it just didn't work for me. I'm like, this is not a, this is not, it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit. And I watch Aaron and I'm like, this fits.

He's got a young guy who'll challenge him. I mean, Aaron can be a little snarky, a little glib, you know, a little too cool for the room. That's his personality. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I actually think Mahalms and Andy Reid fit because I think they're both hyper-aggressive and super creative. So, and I think Sean Payton and Drew Breeze fit. They're both like really emotional and really bright, detail-oriented guy. I think Brady and Belichick fit.

both driven, obsessed to a point of almost, even in pro sports, like Kobe level obsessed, and they work. And I think it's not, Mike McCarthy could work with people. I always thought, though, he and Aaron, it was like, one's conservative, one's a little more traditional, one's California, one's New World, one's listening to Classic Rock, one's listening to the new alternative band. I mean, they're just different dudes. And I do think, Aaron, I've never seen him smile this much. And by the way, that doesn't mean you get along all the time. You can bark at each other on the sidelines.

I have no problem with that. I actually think Freddie Kitchens and Baker look. They're both kind of bottom line, overlooked their whole life. Baker and Freddie Kitchens feel like that would work to me. Like they just feel kind of like they just say what they want to say at a press conference. There's no filter with either. That's true. Zero filter.

But Mahomes and Andy Reid are perfect. Andy's aggressive to a, you know, some would say to a fault. Hyper-aggressive, very creative. That is, you know, I mean, here's Mahomes doing no-look passes, left-handed throws, and he's creative. Mahomes is a playmaker. So, I don't know. I'm happy. Aaron looks happy to me.

All right, coming up next, Tribisky or False Bisckey. It doesn't sound good. It may revolutionize. I disagree. I like False Biscay. All right. So the staff tells me it's very interesting. We did lie or Eli.

Tom or False. just sometimes the store doesn't look great from the outside, but you'll walk in and all sorts of good products inside the store. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Welcome back. Hold on. I'm listening to George Carlin. I better turn this off. I'm sorry. It's a comedy show. And George tends to swear the late George Carlin. I'm sorry. All right, welcome back in. It's nice to have you. That's what these phones are getting away, Joy. I'm listening to comedy during the break.

And I got, this is my whole world. car shopping's confusing, a lot of terms, dealer price, list price, invoice. Don't being confused. Three grand off MSRP. Okay, I said it before the 2017 draft. I didn't see it with Mitchell Trebisky. I was vacationing in Hawaii. I remember coming inside telling my family, I got to go watch Mitch Trubisky,

because everybody tells me he's going to be a top 10 pick, and I'm in Hawaii on a surfboard, and I had to go inside and watch him, and I said, that's it? That's the guy you're telling me. And then he gets moved up, and he gets picked second, and I still don't buy in to him, and he threw three touchdowns last night. I don't really see it. I don't know what it is, but he does win some games.

And so we thought we'd have a new game called Trubisky or False Biscay. My staff thinks it's very funny when they can fool me on stuff, and here we go. From the creators of Lye or Eli and Tom or False comes the herd's new, completely original game show idea. True Biscay or False Biscay. Here's your host, Joy Taylor. All right, give it to me. Mitchell Tribisky goes by Mitchell instead of Mitch because that is his mom's preference. Mitchell Tribisky.

So when you say it goes by Mitchell Tribisky, that's what he is called in the media guide. And that's what we call it. That's what he goes by, like what he would like to be called. So because his mom likes him to go by that? Is it true biskie or false biskie? I don't think you guys could have made that up, so I'll say true. It is true biskie. His mom said it would sound better on a loudspeaker.

Really? Remember, he switched right before the draft. Mitch Trubisky and then he changed to Mitchell Trubisky. So his mom thought it would better. We also call him Mitch Trubisky. But his mother calls him Mitchell Trubisky. Yes. Well, you should listen to your mom.

His mom will call him that. Mitchell Trubisky is actually left-handed. Come on. That's not, that's no way that's true. There's absolutely no way that's true. So it's what? It's false Bisckey. Right.

He does struggle throwing to his left statistically. He is not left-handed. False Bisckey. All right. True Bisckey or False Biscay? Mitchell, Trubisky, was the punter on his high school football team. He's pretty stocky. Randall Cunningham did that.

Dan Pastorini in the NFL. That could be Trubisky. That sounds like something he could do. It is Trubisky. He averaged 40.5 yards per punt his senior year in high school. Okay, by the way, I think I'm 3 and 0 on the whole thing. I'm doing pretty good. They're doing pretty good.

This is very tough stuff here. Mitchell, Trubisky. was the highest drafted athlete by a Chicago team since Michael Jordan. Didn't the Cubs? They were so crappy. Didn't they have a number one pick? That doesn't sound right. I'm going to say that's False Bisckey. It is False Biscay. Derek Rose, Elton Brand, and Patrick Kane all went number on one overall. But Michael Jordan and Mitchell Trubisky both went to UNC.

Yeah, that's right. So they have that in common. So so far, 4-0 on Trubisky False Bisckey. You're killing it. Tribisky is the only quarterback ever to throw six touchdowns, rush 50 yards, and throw for 350 yards in one game. Is that in the pros? Yes.

Six touchdowns, 50 yards rushing, 350 yards passing. He didn't do it his first year with John Fox. I'll tell you that. I'm going to say true. He did have one absurd game last year. Didn't he have an absurd game last year the year before? It is Trubisky, but it was week four last year against Tampa Bay. Yes.

Yes, okay, I remember that. I mean, give me a break. Those numbers are, that's Patrick Mahomes' second quarter. That is, okay. So I am. That's what he does. I am 5'0 in Trubisky, false Biscay. Mitchell Trubisky has more career wins than Patrick Mahomes or Deshawn Watson.

I can't be right. That can't be right. That's false Biscay. It's Chubisky. Chubisky has 17 career wins. Mahomes and Deshawn both have 16 career wins. Time out. How does Deshaun only have 16 career wins?

He won the division last year. He got hurt his first year. Oh, that's stupid. That was a trick question. That was dumb question. Very upset that you got. Well, I mean, you got all but one, right? We have one more.

See if you can redeem yourself here. Mitchell Trubisky is related to George Clooney. True Biskey or False Bisckey. I like this music. Give me a picture of him. Let me see a picture of him again. He's kind of a good-looking guy. Isn't he kind of school?

All right. There you go. This is a side-by-side right. there. Study it. Look at their hair line. I always look at the hair line. They have,

they have facial hair. Their nose, oh, look at their nose is identical. That's Trubisky. Truebisky. It's false bisky. Oh. I would have gone to the jawline. Let me see them again.

What do they look like? You think the jaw line's the same? No, I think it's very different. Oh, because Trubisky's is thicker. Yeah. And George is a... More of a rounder. Look at their noses.

Their noses are identical. They do have similar noses. They both have hair. I mean, don't you think you would have heard that by now if he was related to Clooney? I don't buy People magazine, so I don't know anything that's half. I don't even know who was in the Emmys the other night except Game of Thrones. I don't watch any of that stuff. Clooney did play a football player in Leatherheads in 2008.

I think George wrote that, actually. They also played basketball in high school. No, Rick Riley wrote that. Didn't he? God, I'm getting this thing all screwed up. I don't have those answers. What did you say about George Clooney again? They both played basketball in high school.

George and Mitch. Yeah, George loves basketball. He had a back accident one time, but George is like a big basketball junkie. True Bisckey, false bisky. That was not terrible. I didn't hate it. You did pretty good.

You got all but two correct. Yeah. You know, I just saw, there's an old George Clooney movie that nobody's ever seen. The American. You ever seen that one when he's in Italy? It's actually very, it's literally,

I think it costs him $70 to make. it's like a GoPro. They shot, I mean, it's like literally there's no dinosaurs or sorcerers or anything. It's one of my favorite movies. Why are you still against dinosaurs and dinosaurs? This whole Game of Thrones thing. It's just absurd. What about living in reality, not some cosmic?

And your favorite movie is Mission Impossible 47, where Tom Cruise is hanging off of the side of a mountain. I will make you. With a nuclear bomb button hanging off the other side of the mountain, just to climb over there in three seconds and turn it off before the world explodes. Anybody that listens to this show that is in like the Hollywood space. You can't get into dragons. Tell me there are shots in a Mission Impossible 2 that you could not recreate. It has to be Tom. There's no way you could create.

He was hanging by a thread on a cliff. I do not believe any of that stuff. There are certain things. If you're like one of these Hollywood people, somebody knows the answer. So Tom Cruise risked his mortal life hanging up the side of the mountains to create Mission Impossible 700. He broke his leg in that movie. This is a real actor. I'm not saying he doesn't do his own stunts.

It's very impressive. But, I mean, there was no net. Nope. There was a, there's two shots in that movie that Tom Cruise was hanging by a fingernail and would have died. And there's no way, I told my wife, I watched, I'm like, you can't fake that. You can't fake that in Hollywood. That guy is an actor. I died to have Tom Cruise on this set.

I'm sure Tom would do the show. I would do anything to have Tom Cruise on this set. I think he's great. All right. Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks? You get one choice. That's not fair. I'd take Hanks.

but that's, Hank's, you know, is weird. You know, I've watched every Tom Hanks movie. I'll tell you another one. Tom Cruise just did one when he's a pilot, and he ends up being like a drug running pilot. That's a good movie. That's a good movie. That's a great movie by Cruz.

He's the name of that movie. I don't know. I think it's called, I don't know what it's called. What's it called? American Made. That's a good movie. You know, you guys all, you know, popping off about Cruz. It's funny how everybody watches his movies.

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