The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Baker Mayfield, Colts, Raiders, Dolphins, & where Colin was right & wrong

Episode Date: October 1, 2018

Colin explains why Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield didn't play well against the Oakland Raiders, why the Indianapolis Colts shouldn't be criticized for their loss, why the Miami Dolphins failed again, and where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Guests include Peter King, DeAngelo Hall, and Tony Gonzalez. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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colin was wrong peter king 40 minutes from now how are you joy i'm great good morning good morning good to you. NFL ratings were up on every network yesterday. The NFL is king. The NFL is back. Sorry, Twitter. It's winning and it's winning big. Big Lee. Let me start with this. Here's the country we live in now in America today. It is a country based on affirmation, not information. Everybody wakes up in the morning with their sports, with their politics, with an opinion. And regardless of what happens, you're digging your feet in and that's your opinion. You will not let anybody sway you. That's just the world we live in. We live in now an affirmation society, not an information society. Just tell me what, we even watch channels. They'll tell me what I

want to hear. This channel will tell me what I want to hear. Not what you need to hear. So in Ohio, home of the Cleveland Browns, in Oklahoma, where Baker Mayfield played, you woke up in the morning, it didn't matter what he did. It's just going to be amazing. Pick six, somebody else's fault. lost somebody else's fault. Referees cost us. Really? Referees through the four turnovers. Referee through the pick six. Okay, I was just checking out.

He had a lot of yards. Oh, Baker-Mayfield had a lot of yards. Are you watching the NFL in 2018? Yards are really easy to come by. But you know what's never easy to come by in the NFL? And it never will be easy to come by in the NFL? Wins and Baker's O'N-1 as a starter. And by the way, good luck.

Ravens are next up. Schedule gets hard now. Don't tell me, Baker played well. In the history of the National Football League, there has never been a single time that a quarterback, rookie or not, commits four turnovers and people say, wow, what a performance. Let me tell you something, Ohio. Your standards are pretty low if four turnovers you're satisfied with.

I didn't think he played that well. He's clearly capable of being an NFL quarterback. What would I predict it in college? He's good enough to be an NFL quarterback. He's an accurate thrower with the football. But even Hugh Jackson, after the game said, basically, quote, obviously turnovers were the difference in the game. Hugh Jackson didn't say officials were there for the loss.

Didn't blame his defense. Yes, some of his balls were dropped. Baker Mayfield throws it hard with a lot of spin. He's going to have drop balls. A couple years ago, Matt Ryan led the NFL in drops. It happens. Mayfield completed 50% and had four turnovers. And you're telling me this morning you thought that was great.

Here's the other thing is that it's pretty obvious in the NFL right now. That if you're a young quarterback, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, Mitch Trubisky, having an offensive staff, an offensive coach is an advantage. We saw Jared Goff with Jeff Fisher. We see it with Sean McVeigh. Hmm. Patrick Mahomes lighting it up. up, Andy Reed. Mitch Trubisky, six touchdowns. Miss Trubisky. He's got Matt Nagy.

By the way, Sam Darnal, defensive head coach. Josh Rosen rookie defensive head coach. Josh Allen Buffalo defensive head coach. Baker Mayfield, and this is why I said, do not run Hugh Jackson out of town, is a smart offensive head coach. That's why Hugh Jackson didn't blame the refs. Hugh Jackson didn't blame the defense. Hugh Jackson didn't blame the receivers. Hugh Jackson said, I'm tired of it. This is not acceptable. Four turnovers cost us the game. Baker Mayfield has the best

offensive line of any rookie quarterback. Darnolds is awful. Josh Rosen's is awful. Josh Allen's is awful. I don't count Lamar Jackson because he's not starting. That's Flacco's team. He also has real weapons. He has an elite wide receiver in his prime, Jarvis Landry.

He also had 200 yards rushing yesterday. So he's got a better offensive line, the only of the rookies that has an elite receiver in his prime, and he's got three legitimate running backs. Nick Chubb, who I said before the year could be rookie of the year, is really good. Carlos Hyde is really good. Duke Johnson, nice little player. Those are three legit NFL running backs.

The Jets would like to have one. Listen, if you wake up in the morning and you've already made your decision on political stuff and sports stuff, you're not into information. You're into affirmation. If you want to talk about yards, Derek Carr had 440 against the Cleveland defense. That Cleveland defense is real. That Raider defense is crap. That Raider defense is bad.

So Baker Mayfield, on three extra days rest, had more turnovers, and those are the difference between winning and losing. I don't think Aaron Rogers has ever had a four turnover game. had more turnovers than all the other rookie quarterbacks with fewer weapons combined. And he also faced the worst defense of all the rookie quarterbacks yesterday. So I got news for you. Lauren Jackson didn't have a turnover. Josh Rosen didn't have a turnover. Sam Darnold faced the Jags didn't have a turnover.

The Baker Mayfield had four. But you woke up in the morning. You just made a decision. A pick six is not his fault. Well, I mean, the officiating. nobody in a striped shirt committed a turnover. Baker had four. He's not going to be a bust, but by the end of this year,

if you're bragging about yards today with Baker Mayfield, having 290-some yards, if he didn't have more yards than Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and Sam Darnold, I'd be worried, because he has a legitimate O-line. He has a legitimate star receiver in his prime. He has legitimate running backs. He has an offensive coach. Between Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley, those are very, very,

veteran offensive minds. I don't think Baker's a bust. I never did. But I don't wake up in the morning, not willing to go, what am I really seeing? What I saw was an injury-riddled offense led by Baker Mayfield. He'll be fine, but you've got to be honest about it. Can't be blaming reps this morning. Can't be blaming receivers that didn't commit four turnovers.

Let me shift gears to a decision by Frank Reich. He is the rookie head coach of the Indiana. Minneapolis Colts. And overtime loss, he went for it on a fourth down and pretty short in his territory. And he didn't get it. Then Houston got a couple yards and won. Frank Reich is just getting crushed today. I think it's interesting.

For something to be courageous and gutty, there has to be risk. And if the Colts would have picked up a first down and kicked a field goal, every single sports columnist would have put gutty. courageous in the headline. Because something can't be it's not courageous to get a job out of college and 40 years later have the same job. There's no risk.

There's no, it's not gutty to walk across a street with no cars. There's no risk. It's not gutty to walk across a bridge that you can't jump off of. You know what I mean? You can't bungee jump off of. There's no risk. Courage and guts come from risk. Otherwise, there's no such thing.

There has to be risk. It's risky to be, you know, a lot of different things. It's not risky. And that's what the columns would have been today. What a gutty move. Courageous move. You can't go from gutty and courageous to stupid based on the results.

It doesn't work that way. Because Mike Rable pulled his kicker off the field and went forward on fourth down and he won. So the results were different. You're calling him gutty today. You're calling him gritty today. You're calling him smart today. It doesn't work that way. Journalists in the media too often look at results

and base all their narrative on that. I like the move by it. And I'll tell you why I like to move. So he goes for it. First of all, his quarterback was on fire and the Texans defense was absolutely gassed. But here's why I really, really like it. Because when you take over a business,

and he's a rookie head coach, year one is not about wins. Year one, for me at this network, was about changing the culture, creating chemistry, a belief system. Year two, then you can start looking at Ws. Then you start checking the scoreboard. But the Colts have the third to fourth best roster in their own division. I'll repeat, in their own division. And Frank Reich, the new head coach of the Colts, came from a Philly staff.

that not only led the NFL in conversions on fourth down, but attempts. He brought that culture over. Philly, Philly Special, Super Bowl, trick plays against the Patriots, fourth down, goal line, for the win. Okay, when Chuck Pagano was the coach of the Colts, my big complaint was, what the hell is the identity with this team? What are they? with Frank Reich, I know what the identity is.

Andrew Luck's my guy. We're going to be aggressive. We don't care what you think. Here's what Frank Reich, who's getting ripped today, said about his decision. Yeah, I would just address it now. I mean, we're not playing a tie. I mean, we're going for that 10 times out of 10. I mean, that's just the way it's got a role.

We're going to be aggressive. That's what we want in our players. That's a mindset that we have in our heart. players. That's the only way to win in this league, I think. That's how the Eagles won the Super Bowl. And by the way, Frank Reich left the Eagles. They're not as good this year. Year one is about creating a culture. This team's not a playoff team. Good God, I said I think they'll go eight and eight and I got all sorts of pushback. Most people, Vegas has it's five and six wins. They're not, they don't have Jacksonville's

roster. They don't have the Texans roster. I'm not sure they have a Titans roster. year one's a culture change, year two is results. And by the way, I at least know what they are now. The culture aggressive. And by the way, whereas I never felt Pagano and Ursae had any relationship, Ryan Grigson either, any relationship with Andrew Luck at all. He had this star young quarterback, and I felt he was kind of just swimming on his own. He didn't trust the coach.

He didn't trust the GM. He didn't have an offensive line. He didn't trust the training staff. He admits now Andrew Luck. I was in deep pain playing. No, no, no. This morning? Here's what I know what Andrew Luck thinks.

I like my coach. Here's Andrew. We're not going to play for a tie. And I think everybody in that locker room freaking likes that. I loves that. I love that. Now, we've got to execute. I've got to play better.

I've got to throw a better ball. I mean, we all know where we have to improve. But that attitude, we can get behind. that. You know, there's an old saying, don't jump over a $20 bill to get to a five. All you're trying to do in Indianapolis right now is create this cohesive culture. And Frank Reich did it. Mike Vrable did the same thing in this morning. Courage, gutty, courage, wow. What, on the results?

Marcus Marietta was playing really well. Go for it. Andrew Luck was tearing up the Texans. Go for it. What do you got to lose? Third place in the division? I will always support, and I've talked about this. This is how a certain guy got into the White House. Aggressive wins.

It wins in politics. It wins in sports. It may not win every day. It may not win every election. It may not win every Sunday. But aggressive wins. You got to ask the pretty girl out. And sometimes, eight out of ten,

shall laugh at you, roll her eyes, mock you, and say no. You don't get less aggressive. Aggressive wins. Frank Wright went that way. Totally, absolutely supported. Coming up next, Peter King's around the corner. Plus, what's the old saying? To be the man, you got to beat the man.

And I think Rick Flair came up with that if I'm not. The great wordsmith, the great philosopher Rick Flair. Great Rick Flair. The great Rick Flair. To be the man, you got to beat the man. And boy, was that not on display yesterday? That is coming up next. Hi, everybody, it's the herd.

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Because if Joy fails or I fail, you put your head down, you work hard and you don't want to get embarrassed again. So when you fail, the solution's pretty easy. Like get your stuff together, concentrate more, focus more, put your head down and work hard. But success is actually harder to handle. It's like, ooh, you got a raise. Man, I'm going to buy this. I'm going to buy that.

I'm going to buy this. I'm going to buy. Success is hard because it's hard to be successful. And all people are successful. Getting to the top is one thing. Staying at the top is really, really. really hard like New England. So New England was vulnerable this weekend.

They were a wounded bird. They were one and two. They still have a completely unsettled wide receiving core. Their best wide receiving target is a running back James White. Gronk got hurt again. They have no pass rush. They're 28th in the NFL and sacks. Brady, Belichick, it's not perfect.

They lost Matt Patricia, the defensive coordinator. they're a wounded bird, man. They're so vulnerable. Here comes Miami. Not very successful, but not successful. Guy got a little taste of success. Bought a new Corvette. He's driving a new car.

I got a new job. Got a new corner office. Miami showed up and laid a blank and egg. Miami could have gone up. Three and a half games on New England. It's not that they lost. They weren't even ready to play. Rick Flair.

To be the man, you've got to beat the man, and you had the man. You were healthier. You weren't unsettled at wide receiver. You weren't unsettled at running back. Your best player, Grong, didn't get hurt. You had an opportunity. The weather was a non-factor, which, let's be fair, it is harder for a Miami or a Tampa to go play in a Green Bay or a Foxborough in November, December.

They're not used to the weather. Just like it's hard for a New England or a Green Bay in September to go down and playing Miami where it's, you know, 96 degrees in smothering or Jacksonville. So the weather was perfect. You were the healthier team. But again, this is just what Miami is. I put him in my herd hierarchy at number 10, and I deeply resented it. The staff's like, you got to get Miami a shot.

And I said, I'm not putting them at 10. You can't trust Miami. So much to the chagrin of me and my reputation, I snuck Miami in at 10, I will, no more recommendations from the staff. To be clear, I was not a part of that conversation. So while I very much would like for the dolphins to be good, I trust my experiences with the dolphins. So this is not surprising to me.

At 3.30 Eastern yesterday, third quarter, Jets, Bill's dolphins, none of them had any points. Brady scores 38 with a collection of whatever that is. But I'm telling you so much, it's so true. A lot of it's just cultural. Miami's got one of those cultures where they just can't handle any success. This was there to take. You could have literally seized control of the division. Four and O out of September against one in three.

And oh, by the way, New England's got to come to you later in the year, where through the years, Miami against New England at home, been a pretty good matchup. It's not that you lost. You didn't even compete. I mean, they did beat the Raiders and the Jets. And the Titans looks good yesterday, the Titans. I mean, by the way, here's Tom Brady after the game. Tom Brady, celebrate rarely, grind, regularly, had fun for just a minute.

Great to be back in the win column two and two. and it's coming quick. Boxborough, Foxborough, Thursday night, baby. Got to get the three and two. Let's go. What up? Trying to miss me. I need you six feet.

She said she missed me when she went to kiss me. God, Miami. I mean, you know, you got a little, you got to raise. You went out and bought yourself a sports car. You got the corner office. And you got a hangover and showed up for a meeting. That's exactly what happened yesterday. Couldn't handle that much success in your life.

Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Tried to warn you, Colin. I love my dolphins, but I've been watching this for too long. It's incredible, right? I mean, it's the Patriots.

Like, it's... They've never been more wounded. You could have gone up three and a half games in your division. Why do people fall for this every time? I did. Every time. All right. Patriots also gave it's over.

Tom Brady's old. He's going to retire. Listening to my staff again. Okay, so huge loss for the Seahawks yesterday as Earl Thomas has a broken left leg. He was being carted off the field and he appeared to give the middle finger to the Seahawks sideline that many are interpreting as a message to the franchise that pretty much sums up his contract dispute. Well, Levy on Bell not only caught that gesture, he replied to one of Earl Thomas's teammates who posted on Instagram, or this was posted on Instagram. It's a quote from Bobby Wagner. If he doesn't come, then he's not a team player.

If he does come and gets hurt, then it's he shouldn't have came. If I was him, I'd be pissed off. So this is a post from ESPN on their Instagram, and that was Bobby Wagner talking about. Earl Thomas's injury and Levy on Bell responded to that post saying, shaking my head exactly, get right, bro, bro, and tagged Earl Thomas. I'll continue to be the bad guy for all of us. Obviously, Bell's holdout is still going on. The average family in America makes $65,000 a year.

Thomas has made $50 million. And oh, by the way, oh, by the way, he plays in Washington State, Seattle, no state tax like a Miami. So he has kept significantly more of his money than other players had. He should also think the gifts, which, by the way, he could have gone to a crappy organization. He went to an organization that loved defense. He went to Pete Carroll, who's a very good defensive head coach. He was surrounded by K.J. Wright and Bobby Wagoner. He was and Cam Chancellor and Michael Bennett and Richard Sherman and Cliff Averill. Like he's acting like his life was terrible. 50 million bucks and a state with no state tax and a defensive mind and organization that

put Earl Thomas in the positions to succeed. Well, look, I'm not going to speak for Earl Thomas and saying that he doesn't have some level of gratitude for all the things that you're saying, but I also don't like counting people's pockets either. Earl Thomas obviously felt like he deserved more money for his services. And the scale thing of like, oh, he made $50 million, and he made, you know, Kirk Cousins making $80 million guarantee. Like, that's what his business pays him to do.

Like, there's a different scale for different businesses of what you make. We know the professional athletes make millions and millions and millions of dollars because that's the business that they're in and it is an elite 1% type of business. But you flip somebody off if you feel you've been, and first of all, I wouldn't period, but if you feel you've been terribly wrong. Well, we haven't heard from him yet. Everyone's assuming this is happening. I heard from him. That finger told me everything.

Everyone is assuming that this is related to his contract dispute. Maybe he was flipping a fan off that said something to him. Who knows? You are being very kind of him. I'm being very generous right now. But let's assume, let's operate under the assumption that it is about the contract dispute. Look, I don't have a problem with you expressing yourself however you feel like I'm an adult. So sometimes I use bad words as well to express myself.

But I just, I think that this is an example of why, and this is why Levyon Bell is weighing in on it. and why Bobby Wagner said what he said is because this is why guys hold out because your entire season could be over in a second. I have. And who knows? It can affect the rest of your career. Who knows how this is going to affect his career? Aaron Rogers could have been hurt before he signed a big contract. I don't think he'd have flipped the organization off as he would be carted off the field.

I think there's a... Maybe, maybe not. I mean, I... Maybe Aaron Rogers isn't the best one to put in that category. But, I mean, if Aaron Rogers didn't just sign this big contract, you know, you know, you know, You know, Aaron Rogers would have been the least paid great quarterback of my lifetime. Matt Ryan would have made significantly more. I just think there's a way to act.

I guess this is my takeaway. Is that when, and to your point, I get that he has a great life compared. We all know that pro athletes make more. But there's a lot of things that went right for Earl Thomas. He was surrounded by great defensive players in an organization that really curried favor with defensive players and elevated defensive players and promoted and marketed defensive players. He won a Super Bowl.

He could have won two. The idea that he has just been treated poorly. I mean, come on. Come on. I mean, we live in a what have you done for me lately world. So maybe that's just what's going on. So before yesterday's game against the Lions, Dak Crescott was asked by Michael Irvin

if he thinks he is an elite quarterback. The all-time question is he an elite quarterback? His answer is pretty simple. Yeah, I do. I'll always see myself as an elite quarterback. And I know I'll get back to playing that way very soon. We'll put in all the work that we need. to, we'll get to exactly where we need to and want to be. The sun will rise again. Yes, it will,

Doc. Well, listen, Dallas is a 500 team. There's two ways to look at it. One way is, if it wasn't for just two passes this year, they'd be 0 and 4. The other way to look at it is they're two and two with way below average wide receiver and tight end gifts. And so it really depends on when you wake up in the morning with the Cowboys, do you want to be optimistic or pessimistic? If you're pessimistic, you're like, Dax totally limited. If you're optimistic, you're like, you know, he was 13 and three when he had good weapons and were 500, despite the fact we may have the worst receiving tight-in core in the NFL. I think the Jets is worse, but whatever. So it just depends on how you see it. As far as an elite quarterback, I'm going to say he's about 15th to 16th to

17 best in the league. And whatever that's called, that's what he is. Whatever you want to label that level, that section? That section. Do you think he can become an elite quarterback? No, I don't think he's a top. I never thought he was a top 10 quarterback, but that doesn't mean he can. I mean, Andy Dalton right now, got the right offensive coordinator, has a, one of the great players in the game, has good backs. He has protection up front. Andy Dalton's tearing it up right now. I don't think he, I think he's about 15th, 16th best in the league too.

Finally, the team that is not tearing it up right now, the Steelers, lost 26 to 14 to the Ravens last night. And Ben Rathesburger was pretty direct in pointing out where the blame should lie. He was asked whether he's on the same page with star receiver. Antonio Brown, and here is his answer. I don't think I'm on the same page as anybody right now, because I'm not playing well enough. I need to play better. Today was just a bad day at the office. We've all had them.

I had one today, and I promise I'll be back to play better, and I let the guys down. Second week in a row, Pittsburgh, with all those gifts, couldn't score in the second half. They're the most frustrating team in the NFL to me. Mitch Trubisky had six touchdowns. You just can't. Listen, I understand the Ravens' defense is great, but you can't play like that. against the Ravens. You can't, you can't be considered one of the top teams in the NFL and go out and play like that, especially with, especially with the weapons that you have on that offense.

That wasn't, that was bad. Yeah, it was bad. I don't want to be overly dramatic, but it's, it's, it's, it's looking bad in Pittsburgh. I think it's, I think it's time to start panicking. I don't want to be able to be dramatic, but that's just how I feel. No, I totally get it. They're, they're just a bad second half team. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Listen, I've said this joy on this show. And Joe, you've been here, what, three months now?

One of the things I've said about the NBA that drives me crazy is the media falls in love with the newest, shiniest toy. James Harden, Russell Westbrook. And it's like, you got Durant over here and LeBron are the best players, most valuable players in the NBA. The media does this. And if you're cool, if you're a good quote, the media likes cool and they like hip and they like progressive. and they like, Aaron Rogers is all of that stuff. And I'm not denying he's super talented. But I always roll my head when I'm like, oh, he's better than Tom Brady.

No, he's not. Tom Brady's more coachable, more consistent, less ego, harder working offseason, more driven, better in the clutch. No, Tom Brady's better than Aaron Rogers. Well, Aaron's got a great arm. So did Dan Marino. Joe Montana was better than Dan Marino because he was more coachable. And he had less ego. and he was better in the clutch.

And he was, I mean, 11th year, I said this yesterday on NFL kickoff. And everybody was like shocked. I said, when I wake up in the morning now, and Aaron yesterday was 22 of 40, and he wasn't good, and he's not accurate. And some of it's an injury and some of it's not practicing. I get it. And I'm not denying he's a great talent. But when I wake up in the morning on Sunday now, I don't think about Aaron Rogers.

I want to watch Patrick Mahomes. I want to watch Jared Gough and the Rams. I love what Chicago is doing. with their coaching. There's just young guys I want to watch a quarterback. There's just a lot of young guys I want to watch. I'm bummed out that Jimmy G's gone. I'm used to Aaron Rogers getting hurt. It's going to be 35 in December. He's hurt again. He's not practicing again. And he's not very good again. This is the 11th year in the NFL that the media has fond over him. And he's 34. He's hurt again. He's outspoken again. And it's somebody else's fault again. And I don't buy that

is a better, wider receiving talent than anybody Tom Brady has. Tom Brady doesn't have anything close to Devante Adams. By the way, in his prime, Tom Brady didn't have anything close to Jordie Nelson. And I'm not saying, and don't tell me McCarthy's, every time Mike McCarthy has a chance to throw Aaron under the bus, he doesn't. Mike McCarthy comes out, effusive in his praise, every stinking time. Mike McCarthy could throw Aaron under the bus. He never does.

Aaron yesterday? Could have thrown the team under the bus? He didn't waste the opportunity now, did he? So that's just not acceptable offense for us. Four and 23 yards looks pretty good in comparison to some of the games we've put forward the first three weeks, but it should have been about 45 points and about 600 yards. Well, we were terrible on offense,

so I don't think it made a difference for the offense. We need to find ways to get our playmakers and in position to get some more opportunities. you know, a game like today, I mean, Devante is a tough cover for anybody, but he should have 20 targets today. Coach has put the plan together. I'd tell him what cause I like, and we go. Well, the coach puts the plans together, and Devante should have had 20 targets. The insinuation is we didn't put a plan together to have 20 targets.

You can't audible at the line? You can't find him 20 times? Again, Aaron's, I don't know, Aaron. I know he doesn't like me, that's fine. But this is the 11th year. And he's hurt again and not practicing again. And his passer rating's bad. And I keep getting told, you know, it's funny about it. One of the things I always said about Tim Duncan,

Tim Duncan and Tom Brady are the most coachable superstars. They took pay cuts. They were about the team. They worked really hard. They were driven. They suppressed their ego. I don't see a lot of suppressing of the ego with Aaron. I don't think he's easy to coach.

Multiple people have called him out. And any chance he's got a chance to kind of stick it to somebody, They haven't scored 30 points in a calendar year. Tribisky just dropped 150. Okay. Kirk Cousins on Thursday night threw for about 600 yards. I don't know. When I wake up on Sunday, there's other guys.

And he should win another Super Bowl. I would be shocked if he didn't win another Super Bowl. And I have defended him saying they don't do a very good job getting him defensive players. I think they should have signed Khalil Mack. And I think he's an all-time talent. But I consider him much more Marino. than Brady.

The reason Brady ends up with rings and Dan Marino, who by the way, had Don't showla and Jimmy Johnson as coaches. Don't tell me Dan Marino didn't have great coaches. Jimmy Johnson's one of the top five ever and Don Shula's one of the top six. There's a reason he didn't win him and Brady did. And some of it's Brady and Marino's issues or strengths.

Peter King's around the corner. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. It is great to have you in. By the way, the Raiders are second in the NFL in yards per game, only behind the L.A. Rams. And I've been critical of John Gruden that game yesterday.

And the Browns were a big component to it. That game was so much fun to watch yesterday. John Gruden and that offense, they are moving the chains. And they've had a pretty tough schedule. Rams at Miami in 95-degree weather. It's not just the Browns, everybody. he's talking about. Let's go to Peter King Football Morning in America via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Let's start. Let's start with Frank Reich. A couple years ago, Chuck

Pagano did a fake pun against New England, and I criticized it because I didn't know what it was. I didn't get the point, and I thought it was poorly designed. I'm okay with Frank Wright going for it. Your thoughts yesterday. When I first saw it, I hated it because in my opinion, I just believed that, you know, there are times when you got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them. And I thought it was time on fourth and four in your own territory to take the tie. But the more I thought about it as the night went on, I just gave it a lot of thought. And I thought he is doing exactly what one of his mentors, Doug Peterson, did all last year. Anytime you got near midfield and you thought you had a better than 50% chance to,

to make it, you'd go for it. And here's the point to make, Colin, that I think a lot of people who think this is a dumb play forget. Now, Andrew Luck was 40 of 61 to that point. Yeah. And the Houston defense was tired. Yes. And the pass rush wasn't getting home on that series

as much as it had earlier in the game. So I just thought the more I thought of it, this, and again, I don't want to criticize luck to. much, but to me, luck made a poor throw on this play. He acknowledged it after the game. So in my opinion, if I'm Frank Reich, I agree with him. I'd do this again if the same play came up tomorrow. Yeah, they're one and three instead of one, two, and one. I believe year one, you're about culture. He's changing the culture. They're going to be hyper-aggressive. So was Philadelphia and I like it. All right, let's talk Raiders and Browns. It was a crazy, crazy fun football game.

Bakeret for turnovers. That's not good enough, but he's fun, and he's going to work in this league regarding the level, I'm not sure, but he's going to work. Gruden now, they're second in the NFL yards per play. They had a 400-yard quarterback, a couple 100-yard receivers, a hundred-yard running back. You know, I didn't think Gruden was going to work. I got to be honest. I've watched the dolphins right now. I know they're in last, Peter, but a lot of what he's doing offensively is really good. and they're moving the ball against pretty good defenses. Here's what happens in the NFL, which is why people love it so much, why the ratings stay high. Because if you had told anybody a month ago that the game of the week in week four of the NFL season

was going to be Cleveland and Oakland, you would have been laughed out of your sanitarium. And so to me, I just look at this as two teams that are incredibly fun to watch. the Cleveland Browns have become one of the top six, seven compelling teams to watch every Sunday now. Yeah. Since the Thursday night game against the Jets, I'm going to make sure that one of my screens has the Browns on. They're just, they're really a lot of fun. And I think there's two other things about the Browns. Number one, Jarvis Landry has made it really uncomfortable for them to stink.

He's not going to stand for it. Yeah. He showed you that in hard knocks, and he shows you that on. on the sidelines. And number two, look, I always thought this about Baker Mayfield, just the limited college football I watched. He's worth the price of admission. And when he doesn't make that, the dumb throw he made deep into coverage that was one of his only mistakes, I thought on Sunday, when he doesn't make that throw anymore, and I don't think he's going to make it very long, in my opinion, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with in the NFL.

A couple of things. I'm watching all these offenses, and it's become, you know, it's a little bit of a firework show, but I'm okay with it because I think in the end fantasy sports, which even my sister plays, and she doesn't like football, more offense, fans win, consumers win, and I'm okay with it. The NBA now is not about rebounding in defense. It's about possessions and threes, and I'm okay with it. Aaron Rogers, though, is passer ratings at about 55 this year. They stunk yesterday.

Devonte Adams is a very good player. I've always felt he and McCarthy, they won't say it publicly, but it never has felt as good as a McVeigh or a goff. You know, I watched Green Bay yesterday, Peter, and something's not right offensively, and I don't know what it is. What is it? I agree with you, Colin, 100%. And you could hear it in Roger's voice after the game.

When is the last time you win an NFL game by 22 points and everybody's ticked off? But that's what happened in Green Bay. the one thing that if I were Mike McCarthy right now, I would call Aaron Rogers in my office this week and say, listen, let's strip away everything. I'm the coach or the quarterback. Let's forget that. Let's forget, you know, authority, not authority, whatever. Tell me what's wrong. Tell me what you don't like and let's talk about it. You're the guy who's got to be the engineer for this. I can be the architect, but you have to go out on the field and make sure things run well. Obviously, you're not happy. And I think it has to do with the fact that Aaron

Rogers looks around the NFL and he sees so much imagination right now, particularly in bombs away places like the Los Angeles Rams. And he said, why aren't we that imaginative? Yeah, no, I think there's a lot to that. I really do think there's a lot. You look around at your peers and your colleagues and if they're flourishing and you're struggling, you do, this is a real human quality for all of us. Finally, Lavian Bell trades out there. I got to be honest, for a Sam Darnold, for an Andrew Luck, boy,

he's an 80-catch, 200-carry guy. Do you think we'll see a trade transpire here in the next month? Because I honestly feel like somebody's going to trade a second rounder for him. At the end of the day, Colin, I think it was Adam Schaefter on Sunday who

said that that they want a two and a pretty good player form. Well, if I were the Steelers, I would do one or the other because I don't think any team in its right mind is going to pay Levion Bell knowing that, you know, starting in 2019, they're also going to have to pay them whatever the number is, 17 million a year. I, you know, pick a number out of the hat. So, but to me, I would love this guy on the Indianapolis Colts. for this reason.

The Colts are going to struggle to protect Andrew Luck. They're going to struggle big time. So if they're going to struggle, get the ball to a good receiver out of the backfield in space, six or eight times a game, and let him try to make something happen. You see the Giants trying to do that with Saquan now. And Saquan Barkley, maybe three out of every five times,

get stuffed. But a couple of times, times, at least three, four times a game in space, he's going to make a first down and maybe make a huge play. So if the Colts could just swallow losing something good in the draft in 2019 or 20 and then swallow paying him a trillion dollars, I think that would be the perfect place. Yeah, I don't think there's a second round player coming out of college next year that's Lavian Bell. He is wildly productive. And again, the caps going up every year. I'd roll the dice on it. Peter King, by the way, NBCSports.com, football morning in America,

formerly of MMQB. Great talking to you, Peter on a Monday. Thank you for stopping by for us. Thank you, Colin. You bet. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong at the top of the next hour. The way I look at Labian Bell is this, is when you have a Hall of Fame quarterback, superstar receivers and a good old line, the Steelers, he's not as crucial. You're already paying Antonio Brown a lot. You're going to pay Juju Smith-Schuster, a lot. You're paying offensive linemen a lot. You're paying Big Ben a lot. They need to pay some money on the defensive side. Okay?

So I get the Steelers saying, look, we're paying too much money. You can't pay, their defense is already leaking everywhere. But if you're the Colts and you're paying Andrew Luck and that is it, and you don't, and they're, I mean, the NFL only gives you about one great pass rusher a year. They give you about two quarterbacks

about one pass rusher. And the Colts, you know, are they going to get that pass rusher? I think the Jets, need a pop for Sam Darnold. Gurley makes so much sense when you have young Jared Gough. Mitch Trubisky, I'd get him a star running back. Big Ben, Drew Breeze, I'm not sure I'd pay that price.

Drew Breeze has weapons. He's got, you know, Thomas on the outside. He's a great player. He's got a good O-line. They're paying money to their O-line. Coming up next, we do it every Monday, where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. good Lord, that was a fast first hour. That was a fast first hour.

Boy, the puff your chest out Philadelphia Eagles don't look the same now, do they? We'll talk about that next. Ah, hour two, live in L.A., this is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me now. It should be noted that I did something I've never done a couple of weeks ago. I bet $1,000 on a football game.

and I won it. I bet Cleveland over the Jets. I got lucky. Baker Mayfield came in and won me $1,000. This week, I bet against him. And even though it looked like he was going to win, he didn't. So I doubled it. So I have $2,000 now thanks to Baker Mayfield.

Next hour, I am going to take my winnings and bet it again. You can bet all of it? All of it. Every penny. Every stinking penny of it. So I won a thousand. I doubled it and I'm going to double it again. Can you imagine?

$4,000. Yes, you can't imagine. That's why you're gambling. This is how it starts. At what point am I allowed to intervene and start setting aside your winnings? Well, if I win next week, then you can intervene. Okay.

You know what I think we should do? If you win next week, when you win next week. We'll go back to the original $1,000 back. All right. That's not as fun, huh? Don't hold me because I'm having a lot of fun. I'll be honest, I've never done this before. I'm having a lot of fun.

So next hour, I'll tell you which way I'm going. All right, we do it every Monday at this time, where Colin was right and where Colin was wrong. Where Colin was right? I said the Ravens were my dark horse Super Bowl team, and I said, more than anything, Joe Flacco is going to have a very good year. I've been told by people around the NFL,

he's not as aspirational as a Tom Brady or Joe Montana. He doesn't wake up wanting to conquer the world. He kind of plays himself into shape. But I said if you light a fire under him or it's a contract year, watch out. Well, they drafted Lamar Jackson. He feels a little heat, and he has been fantastic. Eight touchdowns, two picks, career highs and passerating and passing yards per game. Joe Flacco, when Joe Flacco was motivated, is a really good NFL quarterback.

Great size and a cannon for an arm. But he's not always motivated. We've all worked with people like that. Some people just don't wake up wanting to conquer the world. and the ones that have talent and do become Kobe Bryant, become Tom Brady, become LeBron James. But Flacco has been what we predicted he would be a really good quarterback with a team that's capable now,

maybe as good as anybody in this league, including the L.A. Rams. Where Colin was wrong. Mitch Trubisky threw for six touchdown passes. Gonna be honest, I didn't see that one coming. In the history of guys who have thrown six touchdown passes in a game, let me read the names. Otto Graham, Dan Marino, Joe Montefi. Hannah, Tom Brady, Aaron, Roger, Steve Young.

Mitch Trubisky. Listen, I still think his ceiling is rather low, but the Bears Matt Nagy, another Andy Reid disciple, is cranking up all sorts of clever stuff. And yesterday, you know, Mitch dialed up a couple of, that's a beautiful throw, a couple of really big-time throws. So I see the guy as very limited, but he proved me wrong yesterday. Mitch Trubisky, say it out loud, is now in a class with Auto Grove.

Ram. Where Colin was right. Philadelphia, a puffier chest town. This is what Philadelphia has always been. They win the Super Bowl. The coach gets a book deal. Oh, they're yap, yep, yep, yep, yep, making guarantees. Go to a bunch of parade. And now Philadelphia is two and two. They're not spectacular at anything.

Carson Wentz is okay. They've lost two road games. Secondary is kind of a mess. And the chest puffing eagles with a tougher. first place schedule have come back down the earth. And oh, by the way, good luck, because your schedule gets tougher now. Next up, Minnesota, that defense with extra time and really motivated. I think Philadelphia will eventually probably get it right, but this is what I warned you

about. How do you handle success? And Philly Guy has never been great at handling success. The Phillies weren't, the Sixers weren't. It takes a little class, a little refinement. Put your head down, work. Stop the trash talk. Enough with the books and parades.

Where Colin was wrong. Well, some of this has been injuries, but Atlanta's now one and three, and they're losing differently each week. I said I thought they were as good as anybody in the NFC, and I like their schedule. But I look at them now, you know what? There's just certain teams that never make the play. And they don't make the play defensively, and even though they've solved their red zone issues offensively, they don't make the big play offensively. And it's funny because

Dan Quinn is a defensive-minded head coach. He's a tough guy. But when you watch Atlanta, don't you always feel like if they get into a fistfight here, they're going to come out on the wrong end of it? And again, now they're losing home games. I have overvalued the Falcons. Where Colin was right? I said this to start the year. This Notre Dame team is different. This is the best Notre Dame team. I'm being honest here that I've seen since the Lou Holtz era. They are big, and I mean like Alabama big, Georgia big, Oklahoma big up front defensively. They got NFL players. They got Sunday guys defensively. They rolled Stanford. Stanford's a good team. Stanford's a top 7-8 team in the country. They have now put a new quarterback Ian Book and he's he is a big time player.

So they have solved what was their issue, throwing the ball down the field. This is the best Notre Dame team. My eyes tell me they've had it in over a decade defensively up front. They maybe aren't as good as Clemson up front defensively, but they're every bit as good as the Georgia's and the Oklahoma's and the Alabama's up front. And they got the quarterback solved. I've always liked Brian Kelly a little bit of a hot head, a little temperamental, not easy to quarterback for.

But I've been critical of Notre Dame. in the past. They are the real deal. This team to me looks like they can match up with anybody. They may not beat Alabama, but they can match up in the trenches with Alabama. Where Colin was wrong. I have no idea how the New England Patriot scored 38 points yesterday. I don't like Philip Dorset, and he had a absolutely brilliant catch right there. Cordor L Patterson to me is a non-trustible return guy. He has a touchdown right there. Josh Gordon was not only two for two, but he also had a hell of a block. which led to a big play.

Running back Sony Michelle, who I liked out of college, hasn't done anything. He looked good yesterday. Every guy I don't like, and that I criticized last week, delivered. They were 10 for 15 on third downs, which is Miami's got a real defense. Miami can play is spectacular. And, you know, I've been saying in the last couple of weeks, I just don't see the playmakers. I don't see the dynamic athletes.

And every one of those guys I don't like was really good yesterday. I was wrong. where Colin was right? Colin, Sam Darnold lost. Yeah, I know. And I have predicted, yes, I have predicted every Jets game right this year. Remember, I bet them in week one to win on Monday Night Football on the road.

And I predicted they'd lose to Cleveland. And I predicted they'd be ugly and lose to Jacksonville. For the record, they will be one of my blazing five picks this week against Denver. I predicted they would struggle against Jacksonville and Cleveland. Of course they will. They've got an atrocious offensive line. No elite tight ends are running backs. Marginally talented wide receivers who drop it and are undependable.

Listen, he had no turnovers and a passer rating of 74. The Jets problem yesterday was not Sam Darnold. It was their defense, which with extra time was atrocious. So far on the Jets, yes, I have predicted every game right. I have him beating Denver, then losing three straight, going on a little bit of a role after that. Where Colin was wrong. You know, I said LeBron's going to come to L.A.

And it's going to be seamless. Because L.A. is a home of stars. People aren't going to freak out. Oh, my God, there's LeBron. Stop in traffic. I thought, you know, the fans will love it. The media will handle it. L.A. appears confused.

The media doesn't even know how to handle him. Should we be respectful? Should we be confrontational? Remember this last week? This question to LeBron James? Do you're wearing number six? I've worn six in practice for a long time. I'm starting to figure out a lot of you guys just not recognizing who I am, huh?

I have no idea. I've been doing this for about the last eight years now. LeBron appears not to like people covering him, and the people covering him appear not to like LeBron James. The vibe is completely weird. hopefully it gets worked out but I thought it would be such an easy transition Kobe fans don't like them

murals have been to face the media's pushing back and confused it's weird LeBron's generally very good with the media and he's been doing this for a very long time and he has been nothing but like eye rolling with the LA media now for a month

where Colin was right all magic is just illusion including Ryan Fitzmagic folks, come on, you're buying into this? Ryan Fitzpatrick, he's a backup. Nick Foles is a backup. The difference between star quarterbacks and backups is consistency. That's the difference between the star linebacker and a star corner and a star receiver is consistency.

Ryan Fitzpatrick in his fourth game became, you know, what backup quarterbacks can often be. Atrocious. The media and the fans buy into this every year. There'll be a backup that steps in due to an injury or a suspension. and it's like, oh my God, that guy, that guy's a man. James Winston is a bigger, stronger athlete. There's a reason you drafted James Winston where you drafted him. And for the record, James Winston the last two years, his passer rating went up,

his percentages went up, James Winston is the superior player to Ryan Fitzpatrick. Of course he is. Where Colin was right? Earl Thomas gave Pete Carroll. for Pete's sake, the number one salute. I never buy into this pro-player talk politics, heavy slogan nonsense. By the way, players may say they don't like Belichick. I watched yesterday.

They performed for Belichick. The Legion of Doom, Dynasty is unraveled. Earl Thomas, Cliff Averill ripped him on my show. Richard Sherman left bitter. The Seattle Dynasty, you want to know the reason it closed, because a lot of it was just nonsense and marketing in PR. In the end, the players don't appear to like Pete Carroll. Don't buy into Pete Carroll.

And just like at USC, after four or five, six years of slogans, you know, tough guy Tuesday and competition Wednesday and loose ball Thursday. It all unravels. Football's about hard work, head-down details to what Belichick creates, and that's why they're still winning. Where Colin was right, where Colin was. wrong. By the way, my next guest is the only player with five plus interception for touchdown returns and five plus fumble recovery touchdowns. In the history of the NFL, you learn something new

every day, 15 years in the NFL, a multiple time pro bowler, DeAngelo Hall, joining us here on a Monday. So, okay, everybody's puffing up Baker Mayfield. Four turnovers. Is that the ref's fault? You can't win a game with four turnovers? Four? Yeah. Yards. Everybody's throwing for yards.

I mean, what did you make a Baker? I liked that he at least took responsibility. You can't turn the ball over that many times in the National Football League and win football games and be successful. And so, though I don't think it's all Baker's fault, he can't turn the ball over like that. He has to be smarter with the ball. and I think he understands that. That's why he said, look, at the end of the day, it's my fault. As a defensive player, though, I can't say anything to Baker

if a team puts 45 points up on us, period, no matter where we got the ball. We work all offseason on getting the ball in bad situations, bad field position, and holding that offense to field goals. And Cleveland didn't do that. And Cleveland's a better team than they showed against Oakland, who I don't think is very good at all. Oakland's defense is a mess. It's a mess.

And so, you know, Baker did what young guys do. He made some great plays. He made some not so great plays. You know, he has to work on being better with the ball in the pocket. That's the difference between college and the pro game. In college, it's not a lot of dudes who are going to try to strip that ball trying to get it. They're still learning that. You know, it's funny.

DeAngelo, I was thinking about this yesterday on the couch. In college, offensive players are very fast. The backs are fast, the receiver. in the NFL defensive players, including defensive ends are fast. So for an off, you know, generally in college,

your best, because you get a kid out of high school and if he can run, you put him on offense, he's a back. But in the NFL, and what happens is with Baker yesterday, the game gets really,

really fast. And a couple times, those guys are on you so quick. Johnny Mansell thought he could scramble. Oh, he couldn't scramble. And, you know, Baker can run a little bit, they're a little bit faster.

And so I think it's a learning, process with Baker. The game's really fast. There's no Texas tech here. And that's where the turnovers come from. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the difference. Those elite players he faced versus Ohio State versus a Alabama, that it was only maybe two or three of those type of guys on that team, that he was like, all right, I got to watch out for this dude. I got to watch out for that dude. In the NFL, it's all 11 on defense. It is literally all 11 guys on defense. Can run. can run their athletic. They're in the NFL for a reason.

Whereas when you're in college, a couple of them dudes really are rotating in, rotational type of players, and they have no chance at playing on Sundays. And so that's absolutely the big difference between, you know, what Baker's seeing now and what he saw last year. And so, you know,

that was my biggest hang up on a guy like Josh Rosen. I think you loved him. I love his, or you liked him a lot. I love his arm. You love Sam Donald, right? Sam's my guy. Rosen throws the best ball, but he's thin, and he had a nice throw yesterday. See, but my thing with Josh Rosen, he was so overly confident of what he can do and what he's going to do and the regrets of people not taking him.

And I'm like, dude, you were a average quarterback in college. Like, ultimately, we want you to win games. And you didn't win games. You're one of the few quarterbacks who we're talking about as being. a top one, two, or three pick who had his college coach fire. Normally when you're a really good, and I'm not out here in L.A., so it might have been some other things going on. But I'm a Jim Moore fan, so I'm constantly rooting for him.

And so, you know, when I found out, well, when kind of it came out that he was going to be fired and now I'm hearing his quarterback because I did a lot of the pre-draft stuff talking about how great, you know, of a player he is. And I'm watching some of the game film of him playing. And I'm like, yeah, you know, he can make some good throws, but he was so overly confident. He almost felt as though he was going to be the only one working. And in the NFL, everybody, everybody's working. And that to me was what rubbed me wrong about Josh Rosen is that I just, like, yes, you can have all the confidence in the world.

But one, everyone doesn't need to know. And two, show me something and don't tell me something. Not fair enough. So I believe there's a reason you become a rookie head coach because the last guy failed. Okay. So if you're taking over a football team, not only didn't you win games, but usually you couldn't get the culture right. So it's just like when people buy companies, the reason the company's available often is the culture's not right. So they fire a CEO.

They bring in a new CEO. And his job is to change the culture, change morale, because you're not going to always win initially. So when I look at Frank Reich, my takeaway is, year one, change the culture, become aggressive, have a relationship with Andrew Luck because six years in the league, he's never had a relationship with his owner, his GM, and his coach. So he goes for it yesterday and I'm like, the Texans were gassed, luck was on fire, and Frank Reich saying, one and three, one, two, and one. Bottom line is, this locker room, we are a go for it team. You didn't like it. No, I didn't like it at all. And I liked the mindset, but that to me wasn't the right time or place to do that. Because as we look at it now, it's 24 seconds on the game clock in overtime.

They have one time out. Even if you catch that ball, you have to use a timeout. So now you use a time out. Can you rush up down it? Even if you do rush up and down it, then probably we're at 15 seconds. 15 seconds, one time out. 12-yard completion, timeout, win the field goal. You don't buy it?

I don't see it. I just don't see it because I know what those defenses are trying to do, and they're going to give you some of the little stuff up front, and they're taught to keep it in front of them and keep him in bounds. And so, yes, all right, you save your time out. You got 15 seconds left if you can get up there and clock it. But to me, a lot of things have to go right for that to happen. That's true.

you have to complete the catch. You complete the catch, cool. Timeout or not, 15 seconds of timeout, or 24 seconds, no timeouts. Regardless, you still have to get another 15, 20 yards before you can kick a field goal that you feel like, you know, you really have a chance to make. To me, it's just so many negatives and so many positives, so many things have to happen to have a positive outcome. in that situation, as opposed to just kick the, I mean, if you kick the ball and you punt it,

at the end of the day, you don't want to loss. Like, what is, in a sense, you're settling for a tie, but you're also guaranteeing you don't lose. You don't lose unless they return this punt for a touchdown. Okay, here's Frank Reich act of the game. Let's listen to his quote. Yeah, I would just address it now. I mean, we're not playing a tie.

I mean, we're going for that 10 times out of 10. I mean, that's just the way it's got a roll. we're going to be aggressive. That's what we want in our players. That's a mindset that we have in our players. That's the only way to win in this league, I think. Man, I love that guy. You go ahead, you take the passive coach.

That's fine. Well, you know what? He's going to at some point have a loss on his record that somebody's going to be questioning and he's going to be like, man, I wish a tie looks a lot better than a loss. And to me, that's what I'm thinking about. I'm not thinking about the tie or even the win at this. point. I don't want to lose. Point blank period.

Four hours. I just don't want to lose. Four hours in you don't want to lose. All right. So Aaron Rogers yesterday wasn't very good. And it kind of felt like to me called out as coach. He said, you know, they make the game plan. I pick the plays I like. Didn't have to go there. But, you know, he was honest about it.

So that's okay. Listen, man, I've watched 11 years of people fawning over Aaron Rogers. I got one Super Bowl run. I don't need him to be in the Super Bowl over here. That's not what I'm saying. But he's not really good right now. He's going to be 35 in December. He's hurt again.

I think at times he's condescending. I mean, I don't know. What's wrong with Green Bay when you watch him? Is it Devonte Adams, to me, he's a baller? Yeah, yeah. I mean, what happened in this game, he just didn't quite look like himself. I mean, Aaron made some plays that are uncharacteristic for him, that you, that you, we aren't used to seeing Aaron throw a ball, you know, throw a hitch route like that to a corner who's

coming about to break on it. Should be a pick six. And so, I mean, I think. think Aaron, Aaron's done so much in this league that for him to stand up there and say, hey, look, guys, I need to play better. I didn't do this right. Woo-de-woop-de-woo. To me,

and I don't know, because Aaron is the kind of guy who, when I've had conversations with, will take responsibility for things. We'll say, hey, I didn't do this right. I've known Aaron since college. He whipped up on us pretty bad in a bowl game at Kyle, and we've kind of become, you know, well, we've

been friends since then. Is he happy in Green Bay, honestly? Is he happy with McCarthy. You think he's happy. Be honest about this. I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I think he says the right stuff, but I think in the end he's disappointed. They don't spend on Khalil Mack. They've never gotten a running game. They don't keep off it. You nailed it. I don't think deep down, you don't keep taking these little passive aggressive shots if you're happy in a relationship.

If you're taking shots at your wife as a guy, you know, she's pretty good. I guess. She's a pretty good parent. Take those shots when you're not happy. Yeah, but see, I don't know where he goes from here, though. No, he doesn't go anywhere. And he doesn't go anywhere. Obviously, with the new deal, but even prior to that, I don't know if it was anywhere

to go. And so, I mean, you kind of make those little comments and you hope it either gets better or, you know, he has his contract, so either that guy's going to go. No, Aaron's not getting fired. Yeah. All right. DeAngelo Hall, great having you. Coming up next, I hope you're noticing what's happening in the NFL.

but it poses a real question. Going forward for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's next. Thursday, we've got a huge early season matchup as Andrew Luck and the Colts going to Foxborough to take on Tom Brady and the Patriots. Thursday at 730 Eastern on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video.

Can't wait for that one. That's going to be great. That's going to be a really good game. NFL ratings across the board up everywhere. Thursday night, Sunday night, Fox, CBS, up, up, up, up. it should be. The quality is fantastic. Okay, so I'm going to give you a premise on something.

And I believe this premise is true because I've watched it my entire life. People hang out with themselves. Conservatives hang out with conservatives. Liberals hang out with liberals. Moderates hang out with moderates. If you go to a company, let's say, Google, Apple, Facebook, tech company. The engineers hang out with engineers. The people who aren't as techie, the marketing people inside.

those companies hang out with the marketing people. It's just the way the world works, is that people tend to hang out with themselves. And so in football, the offensive guys tend to hang out with other offensive guys. That doesn't mean an offensive head coach

wouldn't have, you know, a defensive buddy. But the offensive guys tend to hang out with the offensive guys, and the defensive guys hang out with the defensive guys. Pete Carroll, probably has a lot of, probably has a much better sense of defensive personnel and defensive coaches. Similarly, Mike Tomlin's a defensive guy. Here's what's interesting.

So Big Ben and the Steelers, second week in a row, second week in a row, no points in the second half. That's what Ju-Jew Smith-Schuster, that offensive line, Big Ben, Antonio Brown, no points, second week in a row, this time they're at home. They've struggled against Cleveland. They've struggled now against Baltimore. They're struggling to score points. And look what's happening in the NFL right now.

Cam Newton gets an offensive guy, Norv Turner. Cam Newton's got his best efficiency ratings ever. Andrew Luck finally has an offensive coach. Andrew Luck, highest completion percentage ever. Yesterday, four TDs, no picks, 400 yards. Derek Carr with John Gruden, offensive guy, 71% percent. completion rate. Drew Brees, offensive guy. Patrick Mahomes, Jared Goff, offensive guy. Mitch Trubisky, limited offensive guy. In the NBA, we had a three-point shot revolution.

That all of us were watching the NBA, and then I'm out five years ago, it was like, oh, crap, the rules have changed. Analytics are in the sport. If you can't shoot a three, you can't even be on the floor. I mean, Tristan Thompson, six years ago, oh, I like that guy. Now, It's like, yeah, get them off the floor. Even centers, if you can't shoot, you're not. In the NFL with all the rule changes, the catch rule has been flipped pro offense. Protecting the quarterback, anti-defense. Helmut rule imposed anti-defense.

All the rules are changing. You have to think long and hard. Who are the two Hall of Fame quarterbacks on this league struggling? Russell Wilson with a defensive head coach and Big Ben. with a defensive head coach. No point. Second week in a row, second half, not very good at adjusting.

Mike Tomlin, does he really have the same eye for offensive personnel? Does he have the same connectivity with offensive coaches as he did defensive coaches? You start looking around this league. Offensive coaches, no personnel better. They build better offensive staffs. I mean, Seattle's offensive line coach,

Seattle's offensive coordinator. They're not elite. They're not elite. I start, who are the two Super Bowl quarterbacks right now that you feel are being under-supported? Big Ben and Russell Wilson. They have defensive coaches. I mean, I'm watching that. I'm watching Mitch Trubisky light the scoreboard up yesterday.

I'm watching Jared Goff from Fisher to Sean McVeigh. It's like a different player. I mean, Doug Peterson. By the way, Frank Wright goes over. All of a sudden, look at Andrew Luck. Do you know Andrew Luck became only the second player in NFL history for over 400 yards, four touchdowns, no picks, and lose. His numbers are.

Cam Newton's now got an offensive guy that used to be an offensive head coach. His numbers are going up. I'm telling you, if you're the New York Jets this morning, and you're the Bills this morning, and you're Arizona this morning, and you got rookie quarterback. That's why everybody wants to fire Hugh Jackson. I keep saying with Hugh Jackson, be very very. Very careful about firing Hugh Jackson.

Hugh Jackson knows offense. Baker Mayfield is way better served with an offensive coach than these young quarterbacks with a defensive coach. Just look around the lead. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Speaking of struggling on the offensive side of the ball, the Giants' offense continues to struggle, despite adding new starters and a new coaching staff. offseason. So after another game, the Giants failed to score 30 points for the 36th consecutive game. Odell cannot understand why. I'm doing everything I can. I put my all into this. I've sacrificed everything, especially coming towards this year. I've sacrificed and made personal changes and done all I can to be the best teammate and bring everything that I can every Sunday. So it's a little disappointing when you have to leave like this. You know, you work ways to

too hard. Five, six days a week for 60 minutes of football. So I hate to get out there and wait so 60 minutes. I think it's pretty simple. Eli Manning's a shot fighter. I think a lot of it's just Eli. I think Eli's been shot for four years. I'm watching that game yesterday, and I'm like,

Barclay's not the problem. Odell's not the problem. They got a good young tight end. Sterling Shepard's not the problem. Pat Shermer's won before. They're better on the offensive line. I don't know. I maybe I'm being too harsh.

I still think this comes down to this, is that the new GM, the Giants did not have the guts to say, I'm getting rid of Eli Manning because when they benched him for an hour last year, the whole city imploded. And the media is pro Eli in New York and the fans are, it's an old fan base. I just don't see it with Eli. I don't think the ball is the zip. He can't move. He misses open guys. I don't know that the fan base would be so upset or would have been so upset.

at them drafting a new quarterback if they had said he's going to sit for a year behind Eli and learn. And that would be a situation where I wouldn't mind if he sat behind Eli. Eli is a pro. That's the right situation for that to them to get a rookie quarterback.

But I agree with you. However, they had an opportunity to fix that situation last year when they benched. They could have stepped in and said, no, you're not benching Eli Manning. The season's over already. If they, I said this about Dallas a couple days ago, if New York becomes sort of six and ten-ish.

The good news for New York is. Nobody else really needs a quarterback. Nobody needs a quarter. All the bad teams, all the teams we think are going to be under 500, the Buffaloes and the Jets and the Clevelands, they've all, Arizona, they've all got a quarterback. So it's a very good, if you need a quarterback in the NFL, you're not going to be competing against a lot of teams in the NFL.

If the Giants need one and go six and ten or seven and nine, they're going to get that kid from Oregon, Justin Herbert, who is really, really good. It's looking like it's going to be a long year for the Giants. We're already talking about who they're going to draft. It's week four. So Baker Bayfield's first career start was wildly up and down. He probably did enough to win with 295 yards passing into touchdowns,

although you don't want to hear about passing yards. He also had four turnovers, three of which the Raiders turned into touchdowns in a wild 45 to 42 overtime win. So to Baker's credit, he placed the blame of the loss squarely on his shoulders. Well, I want to hear this. I'm a quarterback of this team that's on me. No, I feel bad for our defense. We gave the Raiders a chance, you know, to be on offense too many times.

You know, when you give an offense like that with some of the players that they have, that many chances, it's not going to turn out well for you. It's a slightly different tone than Aaron. I like that. I like that. Yeah, he just totally owned it. I like that. I don't know that all of the turnovers were his fault.

But regardless, If you're the quarterback, you're going to take all the praise when you win. You've got to take all the criticism when you lose. That's just the way it works. So you have to be able to ride that way. That's why you should never get too high and never get too low in professional sports. I will be releasing my next night. I won $1,000 first week.

I've never bet $1,000 in the game, Joy. I won $1,000 first week. Baker won it for me. Yesterday I bet against him and Baker again, four turnovers won it for me. So now I have $2,000. I will make another. I'm going to double down on that money. next hour. We have the magical bet next hour. I'm two for two. You do not want to miss this.

Joy says, so that means I could win $4,000 by Sunday. Or maybe I'll bet the Thursday game. And then I'm going to stop him. All right. So finally, LeBron James and Rajan Rondo appear to be enjoying, being on the same team after battling each other for so many years. And LeBron seems very interested in defense this year. So yesterday, LeBron said it's his job to have Rondo's back if players are able to get past. his point guard on the perimeter and he made an interesting comparison. I try to be the second line of defense behind him. You know, I try to be, you know, the Derek Brooks to his own sap. You know, he's the guy right there in the front, he's going to get in there. And then if I was able to break the first line, then I'm, I try to be that Derek Brooks,

you know, right there the second line, defense. Where that Ray Lewis to the Air Reed, you know. So, you know, at the end of the day, you know, we want to protect each other and, you know, Rondo being the point of attack is my job as a state bureau of the linebacker to protect him. It's kind of an interesting comparison there. LeBron is such a sports historian. Yeah, he loves sports. He does.

He's into sports. He makes football references. Right, all the time. All the time. I do think it's so interesting that he's so focused on the defensive elements, though, based off of the way that the league is trending so offensive heavy. So I don't think anyone's looking forward to like a strong defense. Part of this team is Rondo-Lonzo.

I want to see how Lanzo ball, because I think Rondo is going to start the year. I think Rondo may beat out Lanzo, and we'll see how that plays with Lovar. Well, Rondo's going to start because Lando's not ready with his knee. But what happens as the year goes on will be interesting with Rondo and Lanzo. But look, Lanzo's the future. Nobody's confused about that. You took him number two overall. You want him to be great.

That's why you brought Rondo in. How about this? You know how last year I had Lebronto? What about Lebrondo? Lebrondo? That's so bad. Very clever. So ugly and awful.

Lebrondo. We'll just let that. We'll pretend that didn't happen. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Did I make a big mistake and jump to conclusions on the Raiders?

That is coming up. up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. $40,000 bucks. You want it to pay off high interest debt or credit cards. Go to Lendingclub.com slash sports. Lending club.com slash sports. I said before this season, I don't think you can take 10 years off the NFL and walk right back in and be successful. And it'd be easy for me to beat up on the Raiders because, you know, they're one and three. But I got to tell you something. They've played the Rams defense. It's good. Cleveland's defense. It's good. Denver's defense, it's good. And Miami, it was good until yesterday, but they played them in 95-degree heat.

I think the Ram, I think the Raiders offense, I think it's pretty good. I watched it yesterday. I know everybody's glomming on to Baker-Mayfield, and there's plenty of time to talk about Baker, but I think the Oakland Raiders offense under Gruden, I mean, Derek Carr's like over 70% completions. They're multiple. I like both of their backs. Matavius Bryant, who I don't love, was pretty solid yesterday. They throw the ball down the field. field, they spread it around. Derek Carr looks comfortable. They're second in yards per game in the NFL. I didn't think after the Rams, by the way, which have McVeigh, a better offensive

line, great receivers, and Todd Gurley. Only one team in the NFL is giving you more offensive game, and that's the Rams. I mean, then you got, you know, the Saints are up in the top four. I got to, and by the way, first time in the Super Bowl era, the Raiders had a 400-yard quarterback, two 100-yard wide receivers and 100-yard rusher. I thought they looked good and they're playing on a goofy baseball field. And also, there's no quit. There's no quit with them.

They were 0 and 3. They were down at half and they scored 24 points in the fourth quarter. The game was lost. They went to overtime and won. I think John Gruden and the Raiders, of all the teams in last place right now in the NFL, there's a bunch of teams in last place. You know, AFC West standings, Raiders are 1 and 3. I don't think they're out of winning the division.

I really don't. I'm not saying they're going to win it, but I watched them yesterday, and I came out and I'm like, I know everybody's going to pay attention to Baker, and I totally get that. But Raiders, they got a lot of fight. And their schedule is not brutal going forward. They got a lot, no Jimmy Garoppolo and the Niners. Chargers aren't playing great right now. Arizona's got a rookie quarterback. Steelers aren't playing well.

They have some interesting home games. John Gruden afterward talked about Derek Carr. It's a pleasure coaching him. He showed a lot of great recognition. That's a hard defense. It's hard to be right. There's going to be ugly plays. They're blitzing, and they're not blitzing.

They're disguising. They got every look known to man. And he hung in there and played his best when we needed them the most. Okay. Secondly, let me talk about the Indianapolis Colts fake. Listen, I think you should be aggressive as a coach. But there are fakes and there are times you go for it that I'm not going to support. If you look disorganized,

I'm not going to support it. If you lack attention to detail on a fake, I'm not going to support it. A couple of years ago, Chuck Pagano went for a fake. I ridiculed it. Here it is. You got Griff Whalen ready to take the snap. He'll snap, but actually, Colt Anderson is behind him. And what in the world?

Flag is down. The whole right side of the line was not on the line of scrimmage. offense. This penalty is declined. The result of the play is first down for New England. You got a guy on either side of them. What are you doing here? What was the plan? I don't know. I mean, completely nuts. Yeah. When your first reaction to a trick play is what was that supposed to be? I'm not going to support it. Let's go to yesterday, Frank Reich. It was organized. Andrew Luck was on fire. the Houston Texans defense was gassed yesterday. And if this ball is completed yesterday by the Colts,

you've got rushing to the line, you down the ball, you are a 12 to 15 yard reception and a timeout from winning the game. Instead, you're 1 in 3 instead of 1, 2, 1, and you may be, and I'm being kind, have the third best roster in your division. Forget the AFC, in your division. That looked like the smart play, red-hot quarterback. The Texans were no longer getting a pass rush because they've been on the field the second half.

And Greg, you're a Texans fan. They couldn't stop anything. I totally got that. Now, again, when I look at that and I think if this was a good Colts team, if this was a playoff game, maybe in a playoff game, you just get us into the next overtime. But in that instance, right there, it made total sense. Lux hot. The Texans are gassed.

what's the difference with this team from 1 in 3 to 1, 2, and 1. This team, I said before the year, I thought they were 500, and people pushed back and went, that's ridiculous. They still haven't solved their offensive line completely at tackle. They don't have any playmakers. I think they should go get Levian Bell. They don't have a pass rusher. They need another corner minimum.

Their defense is playing better than it should. Andrew Luck's got a real relationship. But, I mean, I watched that yesterday. There are fakes I don't get. That one, I get. And I think Frank Reich's just trying to create a culture like he didn't Philadelphia. We're going to be hyper-aggressive. I can totally support that.

Totally support that. And I do think the Colts should be one of a handful of teams that should aggressively go after Lavian Bell. People are saying, I don't want to give up a second-round pick. Lavian Bell, last two years, 16 touchdowns and 150 catches. A second-round pick? There's nothing in the second round close to Lavian Bell as a talent. Huh? That's it.

How does this not happen already? Well, because people think if you get him in, he's a rental, and maybe you won't sign him, you sign him. You pay the money. Dollar Shave Club, amazing shower, hairstyle, oral care, and yes, shaving products. Go to Dollar Shave Club.com slash Colin, C-O-L-N dollar shave club. Tony Gonzalez right around the corner, hour three, and I make my baker bet, my next one. Next. Welcome back.

This is The HARD, live, hour three, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. I Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, Joy, in a little over 30 minutes. A little over 30 minutes. Let me tell you the backstory, folks. A couple weeks ago, I said, I've never bet $1,000 on a game, but I bet $1,000 on Cleveland. I had no idea Baker Mayfield was going to play. He did came in and won me $1,000. And then I said, you know what, Baker, Baker, Moneymaker.

I am going to bet Baker again this time to lose to the run. Raiders. Colin, you're lucky. All pays the same. All wins the same. So I won yesterday. $2,000. Baker Mayfield's won me $2,000.

The first time by coming in and playing well, the second time with four turnovers. In a little over 30 minutes, I'm going to take that $2,000 like I did last Monday, and I'm going to make another bet. I get to keep the line. The line, it'll be part of my blazing five. The pick I make will be part of my blazing five. But I get the Monday line.

So if the line moves, I'm taking this line. And by the way, I did it last week. And it was the Raider line. And that half point was the difference between me winning and me losing. So that's coming up. Now, also coming up in 15 minutes, Tony Gonzalez stops by. He'll get us ready for Monday Net football tonight. Chiefs, his chiefs at Denver.

Can Patrick Mahomes keep up the historic pace? All right. Well, the Raiders. You had to love that. The Raiders beat the Browns. yesterday in overtime, but you're telling me, Baker, Mayfield was awesome. Here's the country we live in now in America today. It is a country based on affirmation, not information.

Everybody wakes up in the morning with their sports, with their politics, with an opinion. And regardless of what happens, you're digging your feet in, and that's your opinion. You will not let anybody sway you. That's just the world we live in. We live in now an affirmation society, not an information society. Just tell me what, we even watch channels. They'll tell me what I want to hear. This channel will tell me what I want to hear.

Not what you need to hear. So in Ohio, home of the Cleveland Browns, in Oklahoma, where Baker Mayfield played, you woke up in the morning, it didn't matter what he did. It's just going to be amazing. Pick six, somebody else's fault. Lost somebody else's fault. Referees cost us. Really?

Referees through the four turnovers. referee through the pick six. Okay, I was just checking out. He had a lot of yards. Oh, Baker-Mayfield had a lot of yards. Are you watching the NFL in 2018? Yards are really easy to come by. But you know what's never easy to come by in the NFL? And it never will be easy to come by in the NFL. Wins and Baker's own one as a starter. And by the way, good luck. Ravens are next up. Schedule gets hard now. Don't tell me Baker played well in the history of the National Football League. There has never been a single time that a quarterback, rookie or not, commits four

turnovers and people say, wow, what a performance. Let me tell you something, Ohio. Your standards are pretty low if four turnovers you're satisfied with. I didn't think he played that well. He's clearly capable of being an NFL quarterback. What would I predict it in college? He's good enough to be an NFL quarterback. He's an accurate thrower of the football.

But even Hugh Jackson after the game said, basically, quote, obviously turnovers were the difference in the game. Hugh Jackson didn't say officials were there for the loss, didn't blame his defense. Yes, some of his balls were dropped. Baker Mayfield throws it hard with a lot of spin. He's going to have drop balls. A couple years ago, Matt Ryan led the NFL in drops. It happens. Get over it.

Mayfield completed 50% and had four turnovers. And you're telling me this morning, you thought that was great. here's the other thing, is that it's pretty obvious in the NFL right now that if you're a young quarterback, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, Mitch Trubisky, having an offensive staff, an offensive coach is an advantage. We saw Jared Goff with Jeff Fisher, we see it with Sean McVeigh. Patrick Mahomes lighting it up, Andy Reid. Mitch Trubisky, six touchdowns.

Mitch Trubisky! He's got Matt Nagy. By the way, Sam Darnold, defensive head coach. Josh Rosen rookie defensive head coach. Josh Allen Buffalo defensive head coach. Baker Mayfield, and this is why I said, do not run Hugh Jackson out of town, is a smart offensive head coach.

That's why Hugh Jackson didn't blame the refs. Hugh Jackson didn't blame the defense. Hugh Jackson didn't blame the receivers. Hugh Jackson said, I'm tired of it. This is not acceptable. Four turnovers cost us the game. Baker Mayfield has the best offensive line of any rookie quarterback. Darnold's is awful.

Josh Rosens is awful. Josh Allen's is awful. I don't count Lamar Jackson because he's not starting. That's Flacco's team. He also has real weapons. He has an elite wide receiver in his prime, Jarvis Landry. He also had 200 yards rushing yesterday. So he's got a better offensive line, the only of the rookies that has an elite receiver

in his prime. And he's got three legitimate running backs. Nick Chubb, who I said before the year could be rookie of the year, is really good. Carlos Hyde is really good. Duke Johnson, nice little player. Those are three legit NFL running backs. The Jets would like to have one. Listen, if you wake up in the morning and you've already made your decision on political stuff and sports stuff,

you're not into information. You're into affirmation. If you want to talk about yards, Derek Carr had 440 against the Cleveland. defense. That Cleveland defense is real. That Raider defense is crap. That Raider defense is bad. So Baker Mayfield, on three extra days rest, had more turnovers, and those are the difference between winning and losing. I don't think Aaron Rogers had ever had a four turnover game. Had more turnovers than all the other rookie quarterbacks with fewer weapons combined. And he also faced the worst defense of all the rookie quarterbacks yesterday.

So I got news for you. Lauren Jackson didn't have a turnover. Josh Rosen didn't have a turnover. Sam Darnold faced the Jags didn't have a turnover. The Baker Mayfield had four. But you woke up in the morning. You just made a decision. Baker, a pick six is not his fault.

Well, I mean, the officiating, nobody in a striped shirt committed a turnover. Baker had four. He's not going to be a bust. but by the end of this year, if you're bragging about yards today with Baker Mayfield, having 290-some yards, if he didn't have more yards than Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and Sam Darnold,

I'd be worried because he has a legitimate O-line. He has a legitimate star receiver in his prime. He has legitimate running backs. He has an offensive coach. Between Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley, those are veteran offensive minds. I don't think Baker's a bust. I never did, but I don't wake up in the morning

not willing to go. what am I really seeing? What I saw was an injury riddled offense led by Baker Mayfield. He'll be fine, but you've got to be honest about it. Can't be blaming refs this morning. Can't be blaming receivers. They didn't commit four turnovers. Turnover riddled.

By the way, Dallas Cowboys, it's Monday, and generally I have strong opinions on the Dallas Cowboys. I don't now. The Dallas Cowboys, if you're an optimistic person, you'll see something. and if you're a pessimistic person, you'll see something. Listen, the Cowboys have had two big offensive plays all year. That's just fact-based. Tavon Austin, week two, had that big catch early in the game against the New York Giants. It was a down-the-field throw.

It was a really nice throw, and it got the Dallas Cowboys off to a really good start. I mean, he was pretty open. It wasn't a world-class throw, but Tavon Austin's a guy that's not open that much. So that was a nice play by Dak Prescott. He deserves credit. And the other big offensive play this year was yesterday. It set up the game-winning field goal. Dak DeZek Wright-Sidland.

Again, I think it's a very nice throw. If you take those two plays in four games out, his passer rating is 78, he's throwing for 163 yards a game, three TDs, two picks. So, am I optimistic or pessimistic? Well, I saw in year one when he had more weapons, his numbers were better, and I see now that when he doesn't have weapons, his numbers aren't very good. My takeaway is when you put pen to paper, now that we know that Goff and Mahomes are better than Dak Prescott, he's about the 16th, 17th, or 18th best quarterback. He's right in that Andy Dalton area.

And he's better right now, but he's in that area. Andy Dalton's never won a playoff game, even with some good defenses. So if you're Jerry Jones, he's not as good as he was year one, and he's not as bad as he looks now. He's about middle of the pack in the NFL. I don't think that's overly negative. I don't think it's overly positive. He is a franchise quarterback who needs exceptional weapons,

i.e. Andy Dalton, to get to the playoffs. I think that's fair. I think he had him a couple years ago. I don't think anybody had filming him a couple years ago. Now they do. There's obvious weaknesses. But when I look at him, it's like, okay, with weapons, pretty good. Without weapons, not close to good.

And he's a little better than we're showing now. And he wasn't nearly as good as he was showing then. And that's all I'm going to say on the Cowboys today. There's no reason to throw a parade. He's a franchise quarterback with a very, very low ceiling. Okay, coming up in under a half hour, I will take my $2,000,

back-to-back winning weeks, my Baker-Baker moneymaker pick and make my next bet. I'm very excited for this. I bring out, as you know, I bring out the case. The case, the mystery case, the Baker-Baker Moneymaker case,

plus Tony Gonzalez around the corner prepping us for the chiefs at Denver tonight. I'm going with Denver in an upset. Saturday we have a huge day of college football. First, it's the Red River Showdown between number 19, Texas and number seven Oklahoma, followed by Indiana taking on third-ranked Ohio State.

Coverage begins 11 a.m. Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. By the way, Oklahoma still scoring 70 a game, even without Baker-Mayfield. Sam Darnold leaves USC. They struggle to beat Arizona. Just a comment. I don't want to get into it. It must be coaching. Tony Gonzalez 14-time Pro Bowl. 13 or 14, I forget. Who can remember?

So I want to ask you, you're an offensive guy. Colts go for it on fourth down. Gutsy, because there's not a lot of time left. And if you don't get it, Texans have to make one first down. They win with a field goal, which they did. Like it, don't like it. If I'm on that team, I like it. I like it.

I love it. Because you don't want to tie. Coach Frank, it's his first year there. He's got some time. I think he can afford to do this. Now, if you're on the hot seat or something like that and you make a decision like this, you might be gone. But I like it. I like it.

I think it's the gutsy call if it makes it. And it's like, how could you, what were you thinking? And Andrew Luck, he's looking really good. No, he's got an offensive coach now. Is he back to that, you know, he's ascending again? He's going to be back in that top five elite quarterback in the NFL discussion. When I watched him in the second half yesterday, and my takeaway was, even in this offensive league,

There's not a lot of guys that can mow up and down the field like that. Yeah, when he's hot, for the record, outside of T.Y. Hilton, Tony, they don't have a lot to work with. No. It's not a great O line. He doesn't have much of a running game. You know, again, they have one go-to receiver. Andrew Luck's really good. I don't know why he's a little nerdy, got his book club. I don't know why there's so much pushback.

Like, what part of Andrew Luck do people not get? I've never understood it. I've never felt that way. No, everybody I know in the NFL is like, oh, God, he's fantastic. Yeah. He's the only quarterback in the league that's really good, and everybody knows he's good in the league and gets pushback. Nobody pushes back Derek Carr. I mean, God, Patrick Mahomes has been good for an hour.

Everybody's on board. Andrew Lux put up huge numbers. So, again, yesterday, he's 40 of 62, 109 quarterback rating, 464 yards. That's with an average O line, one wide receiving weapon, and just kind of man running backs. You know what it is. It's because there's nothing. He's so vanilla. I think that's it.

It's vanilla. There's nothing to grab onto. Nothing, especially in this day and age. There's no, there's no tape of him doing something. There's no dancing. There's no hot, you know, after the game. He's not getting heated. He's just always complimenting everybody.

He's just a nice guy. Can we believe that? We don't like nice people. That's what it is. That's why I struggle in society. So let me, let me guess. You love Baker Mayfield. Yeah.

Four turnover, Baker Mayfield. You know who you reminds me of calling him and bear with me He reminds me of Brett Farr. There was a tape We were doing a half-time little highlight film And there was a slant he threw And he did that little underarm

And then you saw the game yesterday Someone scored a touchdown And he's running down there He's got the tape dancing Like you said it in the pregame show This kid is a star He is a star No question.

He's a star. He's so much fun He's just fun And slings it and can play He's a good player. I prefer Sam Darnold, but Baker right now is way more fun to watch. Because Hugh Jackson, here's another thing. Hugh's letting him sling it. Yeah.

I mean, Josh Allen's got defensive coaches. Josh Rosen as a defensive coach. Sam Darnal is a defensive coach. They're not as creative offensive coaches. Who were your head coach? He had Vermil Herm. So Herm was a defensive coach. Was Vermil an offensive coach?

Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I mean, my takeaway is Baker's got, everybody wants to run Hugh Jackson. of town. I watch he and Haley. That's a fun offense. And this is what Brett Favre was. Brett Farrb was fun and he's going to take chances and he threw interceptions, especially when he was younger. And I think this kid, he's going to evolve as his first start. But he's going to be a star. If he doesn't get hurt, he's going to be a lot of fun to watch. He's that, remember Brett Favre how much fun he used to have and became a star because

of it. You know what's funny about that too? Is that we tend to overlook the flaws of people we like. And I'll give you an example. So Michael Jordan was the first guy, that Nike campaign, was the first big global shoe campaign. If you go look at Michael's life, you know, I'm not even going to get into a lot of, he quit twice, he punched teammates, he had a petty hall of fame speech. Michael had some, we found later gambling, there's infidelity. It's not a perfect, I'm not saying he's a terrible human, but I'm saying none of it penetrates the force field of his popularity. Yeah, Because he was the first, Michael Jordan was the first athlete that had this incredible global shoe campaign. Mars, Blackman, Spike Lee.

Yeah. Once you're popular, Brett Farv was absurdly popular. He's the all-time interception leader, often through horrible interceptions in huge games. But he said, y'all, he was a good old country boy. Yeah. You liked. He wore wranglers. Yeah.

He went to Walmart. He'd jump on teammates' backs. I remember I played with him in the Tokyo. bowl. He was out there with the little megaphone, like at practice yelling and screaming. This is when I first got in his night, my second year in the league. I remember after a game when he's playing for the Minnesota Vikings, remember American Idol?

Remember how some of the contestants come in there and make up silly songs and all this stuff? Remember the one, pants on the ground? Pants on the ground. Looking like a fool, which I remember after a game, they go, Brett Farr, player of the game in Minnesota, and he gets up there and he starts chanting that. You know, instead of saying, hey, good job, guys, or whatever.

After the game, they just won the game, and the whole team is doing it with him. He's just fun. And we see that and we're like, I love that guy. That is where Baker Mayfield, we're going to give him a pass because let's be honest, the Browns are the Chicago Cubs of the NFL, pretty low standards. If he goes seven and nine, eight, and eight, we're going to love him. We're going to love him. We're going to love him, and he's running around. He's a little smaller. He's got a little flaw to him, and he's a little guy. We like, so, no, I agree

with you there. So tonight's the Chiefs and the Broncos. And you played in this division for years. This is a weird division. Denver is, I think Denver's going to win tonight. Denver's a tough place to play early in the year, and I don't know why it is, but if you go look at the Denver Broncos the last 20 years in September, almost impossible to beat it home. Is it because teams aren't in great shape in the altitude?

Did you ever win in Denver? Hardly ever won. Hardly. And that altitude is real. It is real. Yeah, they put it up in the locker room, in the visiting locker room. to be careful, all that stuff, to get in your head a little bit.

Absolutely, it's in there. And you do, you find yourself like stinging when you breathe out there. So that's a little bit of advantage for him. So this will be Patrick Mahomes' toughest test. So, you know, we watch a lot of football over the course of the weekend. Tell me something to look for tonight. You'll look for as a guy that's a 14-time pro bowler. What makes him different?

What makes him different is right now, I think, what's surprising everybody. is he's not making bonehead decisions. He's not throwing interceptions. Obviously, he doesn't have one on the season, and that's really surprised. I thought for sure, I knew he was going to put up big numbers. He's going to be a spectacular player,

but I didn't know he was going to be that great with the football and not turning it over. But tonight, this is that, remember Fitzmagic, the magic ran out this weekend. By the way, Vaughn Miller tonight, Bradley Chubb tonight. Yes. You're on the road in Denver,

which is one of the better home field advantages. and this will be fun. He is, speaking of Brett Favre, there's a little bit of Brett Favre with his arm. Yes, absolutely. And he does remind me of Brett Favre too. I think him and Baker both remind me. That sling it mentality,

they do seem like they're having a lot of fun out there. But right now you can't make that comparison. Can he keep this up? I mean, everybody wants to go out there and see the circus. This is the circus is coming. This is the most fun offense to watch in the NFL. Them in St. Louis, I mean St. Louis, the Los Angeles Rams. Yeah, no, no. It's just different. You know, the game is so offensive-minded now. I think it's

six of the eight division leaders are offensive coaches. A lot of the second-place teams are offensive coaches. Gruden's done very well with Derek Carr, Frank Reich with Andrew Luck, Norv Turner lands with Cam, Cam's efficiency numbers, even Eli's efficiency numbers are up. You know, I was saying earlier that you have to be careful, though. I mean, nothing against Andy Dalton, but some of these numbers feel so inflated. Mitch Trubisky is throwing for six touchdowns. So go back to your first three to four years in the league to give people a sense of how the rules have changed. When you came off the line, how long could I grab you? Where could you be hit? When you look at the game today,

take me back to your first couple years in the league. What is the change? First of all, they could just hold you and mall you at the line of scrimmage. We had two safeties, James Hastie and Dale Carter, both were all pros in my rookie year, and they would just grab people, literally, and throw them down, and you could do this. Pretty illegally. And then for me, I was going against a guy

named Bill Romanowski. Oh, good Lord. And Bill Romanowski used to, that first year, the first two years I was in the league, he played for Denver at the time, and literally he would line up over me and literally bear hugged me, and he's strong. He was on, you know, the juice, got caught.

Yeah, yeah. So he don't know. Not apple juice, by the way. He was on juice. He's got the juice. So what we did is, and this is the reason why I kind of evolved, this whole tight ends being split out. They never did that before. That wasn't that common.

So what they would take me, they're like, okay, we go against Bill Romanoowski. We're going to split you out and get him in space because he's just grabbing you and I couldn't get open. That's all there was to it because the rules would let him just, and then the quarterback's coming right off you where I can get him in space. And that's why I kind of became that flex tight end. Did you ever go in motion to? We'd start coming in motion a lot, and then they start splitting me out there and say, all right, you want to get, you want to do that. Let's just, you're going to be one-on-one with Tony.

And I would kill him. I'd kill him after that, after that second year in the league. But this is why, this is what the NFL wants. This is the direction the NFL is going. They love these high scoring 40 to 38 games. Yeah. And they're going to want, all those passing yards, the Damarino, and even Peyton, they're all going down.

There are all those yards and records and fish. can see it's all going to disappear with this new league. It's a vastly different league. Do you like, I like watching it more. I like watching football more like this. They love the long ball. I just, I like to watch skill play. It's like hockey.

They took away clutching and grabbing. Hockey was more fun to watch because Lindross can be a star. And Ovechkin can be a star. And Sidney Crosby can be a star. I don't want to watch, I don't want to watch zero. I want to see 32 to 29. And what about baseball, the World Series? I mean, when they were hitting all those home run, all those dongers, everybody's like, this is the best thing ever.

Yeah. When baseball was dying, when McGuire and Sammy Sosa came in and started hitting those home runs, I mean, baseball, you know, just skyrocketed back off. Plus fantasy sports now is such a big component to sports. You're rewarding fans at home. Yeah, we'd like more points, please. You want more points. More points. Yeah.

Thanks, Tony, Tony Gonzalez. Joy Taylor with the news. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd. news. All right.

So big loss for the Seahawks yesterday. Excuse me. As Earl Thomas has a broken left leg. Yeah.

He was being carded off the field and appeared to give the middle finger to the Seahawks sideline. And that's a message that, you know,

to the franchise pretty much sums up his contract dispute. We are assuming that we are assuming that's what's happening here. Well, Levy on Bell caught the gesture

and obviously Bell still has his holdout going on. And an Instagram comment on a quote from Thomas's teammate Bobby Wagner, Bell said, oh, he was agreeing with Bobby Wagner. Bobby Wagner says if he doesn't come, then he's not a team player. If he does come and gets hurt, then it's he shouldn't have came.

If I was him, I'd be pissed off, basically saying he understands why Earl Thomas is upset. And Leveon Bell said, shaking my head exactly, get right, brobo, and tagged Earl Thomas. I'll continue to be the bad guy for all of us. There's an old saying. There's never the right time to do the wrong thing. there's never an excuse to give the finger on national TV. I just don't think there's a right time to do that. You know, here's the thing I struggle with.

It's kind of the same thing when people were really upset with Cam Newton after the Super Bowl, his reaction in the press conference. And it's like I try to remember that these guys are human. But let me defend Cam, though. In Cam's defense, that was a post-game locker room. It's not on TV. If the camera shows something the next day to me, the press, that's different. No, no, no.

I'm talking about how he reacted in the press conference. Yeah, I didn't love it. But this is being carted off the field with the cameras on you? Look, I just, I think that this is an emotional moment. I mean, he's a broken left leg. He had a whole, like, troubled off season with his contract to speak with the Seahawks for this reason. If he used to get injured, he wants more money for what he does. And I don't like to count people's money, especially in a couple of money.

comes to professional athletes because there's a scale for everything that you make. You know, like if you want to get into a business that makes a lot of money and you're super smart, maybe you'd be a doctor because doctors make lots of money. You know, but you're going to have to make sacrifices to become a doctor. Right. So there's sacrifices and a balance to everything in this world. And I think that that's a very emotional moment. His body is his job and his body is now damaged.

So he's in an emotional state. I'm just saying, you know, sometimes you get upset and you give someone the fingers. I am very emotional right now. I'm not giving the bird to somebody. Well, your leg isn't broken. If I have a ski accident. That's not equivalent. You can still do your job with a broken leg.

Your voice is still working. So if my voice went out in this second, I should just give the bird. I mean, if you've been trying to go through a contract dispute with Fox and they've been holding out on you, then maybe you will. At some point, at some point as a grown man. Like, you ever got in the bird flipped in traffic? And my takeaway, though, is you're 42. Grow up, you idiot. Well, I think it's kind of, I mean, it's kind of funny. Like, ooh, you got me.

But I'm just saying he's in an emotional state. I just try to be defensive because it's, you know, people get emotional when they get hurt. All right, so finally, the Bengals have won three of their first four games, including yesterday's comeback when in Atlanta. Andy Dalton hit A.J. Green in the end zone to cap a 16-play, 75-yard drive with six seconds left. And Andy Dalton told Albert Breer that that was a revealing. moment for the team. He said it shows what we can do. There are different ways to win games. If we have to drive down at the end of the game to win it, we can do it. Sixteen plays.

Our guys were gassed at the end, and they fought through it when we needed to make a play we did. It shows a lot. What do you think of the Bengals? I don't trust them in a big spot, but they have a good roster, and Dalton's obviously got a great wide receiver, a good tight end, nice backs, protection. It's one of those teams that I don't trust in a big spot, but it's a good football team. It's a very good roster. It's a very good They can win a bunch of games. They're just not going to win any in January. Just don't trust them in the big games.

Yeah. Well, finally, sticking with that game, typically you are what your record says you are. But Dan Quinn doesn't think that applies to this team. Right. At the end of the day, we have to get these moments right through our first quarter of the season. Our record doesn't show that we have that part down. So we've got work to do.

We're a good team, and our record doesn't show it at this point. You're a little disappointed in the Falcons? Oh, yeah, yeah. But they've also had three starters defensively out for the year, four total. But they just, they're kind of one of those teams where, you know, so, and if you look at their last five losses, they're all like, the play is there to be made and they can't make the play. That's what it comes down to with them. And it feels like that, even in the Super Bowl, that is the history of their franchise, close, but no cigar. Yeah, and I just don't, I'm not a big moral victory person. Like, it's,

the end of the day, that little extra play or that spot that you have to be big in, that's the difference. That's the difference between winning and losing. That's what you play for. You're not like, oh, yeah. Well, we lost the game, but we only lost by like three points. So we kind of won. Like, no, you're the win or you lose.

And making the play in that big spot is what separates the winners and losers. So, I mean, you got to win those games. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. For the record, there's multiple reports out about, Levian Bell being traded.

Pittsburgh Steelers. He's holding out. He wants a long-term contract. Jay Glazer was on the Fox pregame show yesterday. This is the very latest. Jay Glazer, I think, sums it up nicely here. The problem that teams are having is they don't want to just give up a draft pick and rent them for a year because they cannot negotiate with them during the season. So they're trying to get creative saying, what if we can work out a deal? We trade a levy on this year.

and if he's on your roster by, say, the drafts, so you have him to a new contract, then we'll get more compensation. But teams, they think it's just a little bit too dangerous for their blood right now. It's pretty simple. The Steelers won a second round pick, and I think they could probably get it. The teams, though, that are, you can't sign him during the season because of the way his contract works and the CBA, if you get it, let's say you trade a second round pick, what you'd like to do ideally is here, We get Levian, here's a second round pick, and we negotiate immediately a new deal.

But you can't do that with his contract. So you trade the pick, you get Levion, and at the end of the year, his agent may go out shopping, and you gave up a second round pick. I still think of I'm the jets of the Colts. He's a great get. I think you have to sometimes be aggressive and figure it out later. I think you give up a second round pick if you're Indianapolis. You get him, and you say, listen, we're going to make you a centerpiece of the offense. We love you.

Here's what we're going to pay you. Again, you're not going to pay him $25 million. You have a wink-wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement when you bring him over, which is that happens all the time between networks and leagues and players and agents and agents and teams. You have a wink-wink-wink-nudge, this is what we'll give him. And then you bring him in a couple of weeks. He's ready to go. You win some games.

I think I would do it. I think I would be aggressive. I said it earlier. Aggressive is winning politics, sports, and life. Be aggressive. All right, coming up next, Baker Mayfield did me a huge favor yesterday. I'm going to properly thank him next. I take my $2,000 and make my next bet.

That's coming up and best for last. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. So great, the Supreme Court has said, go ahead. You can bet on sports. It's made it so much more fun. Just fun.

Everything's better with a little juice on it, right? Isn't that kind of, isn't it? You bet on... I don't know. I don't know that sports necessarily agrees with that, but... This has been fun. Although I am going to step in at one point or another. You're going to what?

I'm going to intervene here. If I go crazy. Yes. All right. Let's do it. Here's our best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd.

It's the best for last. If you've never seen this, let me just describe what happened. I bet 50 or 100 bucks occasionally on games and NFL games. And a couple weeks ago, I said, I'm going to bet $1,000 on a game I feel really strongly about. And the game was the Jets and rookie quarterback Sam Darnold, third game in 11 days going to Cleveland. And I said, they're going to get chewed up. He's not, he's a rookie quarterback. He's going to get chewed up.

Rookie quarterbacks are not built to go in and face a very good defense like Cleveland on a short week. They're going to get chewed up. Well, it ends up, I won the bet, but because Baker Mayfield came in, and the Jets were leading 14 to 3, and thanks to Baker, they came back and won $1,000. And so last week I said, you know what, let's do something called Baker, Baker, Moneymaker. We have a new, yeah. So I bet the thousand I'd won on Baker to lose. I don't have to bet him to win on Baker to lose this week. Two and a half, minus two and a half, Oakland was the bet. And I said, Oakland's going to win by over.

They're going to win by a field goal or more. Well, Baker helped me again. He had four turnovers. You can blame the reps, but they didn't have four of turnovers. And so I'm like, okay. So I have this Baker, Baker, Moneymaker, a suitcase where I put in, since the creation of the show lock it in on this network.

I've got my $2,000. And so I thought this week, okay, So I looked at the Ravens Browns matchup this week, Joy. And it opened at Ravens minus one and a half, which doesn't make any sense to me. The Ravens should be favored by four to four and a half. So I don't like that. And now it's Ravens minus three, which I don't feel strongly about either. Okay.

But I'm really suspicious about the Ravens opening at minus one and a half. So Vegas really thinks this is a coin flip. I don't. I think Baltimore is better, but it scares me. So I'm going to make a switch here. Then I looked around the NFL lines, and there was one line that has kind of a connection to Baker Mayfield that I like. The Jets, off their worst performance of the year, host Denver and the Broncos on a short

week are playing tonight. The Broncos are one in ten. in their last 11 road games, the only win being over the Colts when they didn't have Andrew Luck. Denver's going to play tonight on a Monday. On a short week, they'll travel to New York and play one of those dreaded 10 a.m. their time, 1 a.m. Eastern games. And the Jets are only minus 1 and a half. This is my lock of the week.

But now you're saying, well, Colin, you call it Baker-Baker Moneymaker segment. I'm going to change it because Baker and Darnold will always be linked because of my fascination with one and my criticism of the other. So what I'm going to do is replace Baker-Baker Moneymaker with a new suitcase. Hold on. Okay, a new suitcase called Darnold Dollars. So as cheesy as that is. Why don't we just have multiple suitcases? Now there's only one mystery suitcase.

Yeah, we have to ruin the... the budget for one. Okay. So I'm taking the 2000 Baker 1. I'm betting it all on the Jets minus one and a half hosting Denver. Now, I will include that in the Blazing 5. That'll be one of my picks. I get that line regardless of what happens to that line.

I get Jets and Darnold at home as a one and a half point favorite. Broncos are one in 10 last 11, only win over a cult team without Andrew lock. Yeah. Now, and the line could change. If Denver looks great tonight, and I suspect they'll play really good and beat Kansas City, the line's going to move. I'm already locked in. I'm already locked in on this line. This is, I'm going to bet this in the Blazing Five. So if it changes in my favor, doesn't matter. Well, let me think about that. So I got, this is the line I have. I mean, if Kansas City blows out Denver by 30, I don't think that helps me. I actually would prefer Denver win coming a little overconfident.

then Denver gets smoked and be angry. NFL teams that get humiliated, generally play. Vikings got humiliated by Buffalo, came out a few days later in Los Angeles and went toe to toe and had the Rams, you know, reeling for a little bit in that football game. So I don't think that'll change things tonight. So I'll take the Jets minus one and a half against Denver. We were two, two and one. We pushed, by the way, pushed on our Blazing Five this week.

DeAngelo Hall was in earlier today. Kind of the talk of the league besides Baker and the Raiders, There's also, you know, the other story that I think is a real story is Philadelphia, which is a puffier chest town. The Eagles are two and two. They've lost both games on the road. They're secondaries amassed. Carson Wentz is okay. And they're not spectacular at anything.

That's something we kind of said. Philadelphia has always been kind of a tough guy, working class, chip on your shoulder guy. They've never handled as a city success well in sports. They puffed their chest out. So the Philadelphia Eagles now, by the way, play the Vikings who have extra three days of prep. That's who the Eagles play. I think they have a chance to fall to two and three this week. The coach got a bug.

The players talking trash. They do parades. They don't work as hard in the offseason. The Eagles are not the same football team right now. They don't look nearly as good. And their secondaries a mess. The other story is Frank Wright of the Colts went for it yesterday and fourth down in overtime. People freaked out.

DeAngelo Hall came on the show earlier today. He didn't like it at all. I didn't like it at all. And I liked the mindset, but that to me wasn't the right time or place to do that. Because as we look at it now, it's 24 seconds on the game clock in overtime. They have one timeout. Even if you catch that ball, you have to use a timeout. You still have to get another 15, 20 yards before you can kick a field goal that you feel like you, you know, you really have a chance to make.

I would say this. Frank Wright came out and said 10 out of 10 times I'm going to do this. I thought Andrew Luck's opinion after the game summed up the entire Colts locker room and I think this is a big deal. We're not going to play for a tie. And I think everybody in that locker room freaking likes that. I love that. I love that. Now we've got to execute. I've got to play better. I've got to throw a better ball. I mean, we all know where we have to improve. But that attitude, we can get behind that. Yeah, that was always, I'm a big believer, you have to have an identity. And that was always my knock on Chuck Pagano.

Four years in, what's their identity? Like, if you look, if I say Nick Sabin to you, you say defense. Like, that's what you say. If I say Belichick Patriots, you're, like, smart, efficient. Like, what is your identity as a business? And, you know, I look at them right now with Frank Reich and I'm like, oh, they're going to, they want to be Philadelphia. We got our quarterback. We're going to be hyper aggressive.

We're going to go for it. I'm totally okay. By the way, we love Brett Farb, and Brett Farv was aggressive to a fault. You know, we don't love Alex Smith, despite the fact Alex Smith wins like 10 games a year. Why doesn't Alex Smith have a huge following? Because he's not aggressive. Like, we like aggressive politicians. We like aggressive athletes.

they were aggressive. So, I mean, find me an athlete in America today that's passive that we like. We've never fallen in love with a quarterback. I mean, Farrv was more well-liked than Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers doesn't throw picks. Brett Farrf threw a ton of picks.

We like kind of a gunslinger cowboy attitude. We like that in our athletes. I mean, one of the knocks on LeBron James is he doesn't take the shot all the time. Well, sometimes he passes to the open player. I want to see LeBron. We love Kobe. We love Michael.

Even if they take ill-advised shots. Because they go for it. We like our athletes. We like our politicians to be hyper-aggressive. And the Colts were. And I'm okay with it. It is funny about that. One of the knocks on LeBron James,

I mean, if you said criticisms of LeBron, the biggest knock has always been, well, he passes up, you know, I know it's the right basketball play, but he passes up, you know, game-winning shot. And it's like, so you're criticizing him. You're criticizing smart and efficient over laxed kohannas, lacks courage, lax guts.

Doesn't have the it. Tells you all you need to know about American sports fans. We like guts and we like going for it. The Colts did. Now everybody's blasting them. Tomorrow on the show, the herd hierarchy, still furious that my staff forced me to put the dolphins in at number 10, did not deserve it, humiliated publicly. And Trent Dilfer stops by as well.

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