The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Baker Mayfield, Patriots, Nick Foles, strange rules, and morality

Episode Date: August 24, 2018

Colin discusses last nights struggles of Cleveland Browns QB Baker Mayfield, why New England Patriots HC Bill Belichick simply gets it, why Philadelphia Eagles QB Nick Foles is a backup, things in sports that make him scratch his head, and why he doesn't want to talk about the morality of sports fans. Guests include Tim Couch, Lance Zierlein, Rob Parker, and Doug Pederson. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now let's get to You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, it's a Friday. This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio on FS-1. Jamie Maggio joining me again. Three straight days on the herd. Great to have you in.

So here we go, Jamie. We have an NFL game last night. It was on Fox. It was awful. Hard to watch, right? Nick Full struggled Tyrod Taylor got heard, Baker Mayfield, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's start with this. Let's start with this.

I know what you're thinking this morning. Oh, Colin's just going to rip into him. I mean, Baker Mayfield had a red zone pick. Ooh, that is a no-no. Baker Mayfield, 49.3 quarterback rating. Ooh, that's terrible. Five series, one field goal for Baker Mayfield. Those numbers, numbers, numbers, those are not very good numbers,

and I don't care at all about numbers. He was a number one pick is the number I'm interested in. When you're a number one pick, I want you to be a Maserati, not a Mazda. Baker's a Mazda in the NFL. He looked overwhelmed physically. He doesn't have a great arm. Couldn't outrun a lineman. Nothing wrong with a Mazda.

I've driven a Mazda. I like Mazda. But you pay $85,000 for a car. That's a number one pick. You pay $85,000. You bragging about the cup holder. You br-honey, we got cruise control. Honey, honey, honey, we got power steering.

You paid $85,000, bra. You better be able to have automatic start. When you're making coffee in the kitchen, you push your key fob that baby starts so when you walk out in cleveland weather it is warm and toasty in that car you better have sensors on the front and back you better have a large display screen you better have those large black rims that's what $85,000 is $85,000 number one pick that's what cam Newton is that's what Andrew Luck is that's what Carson Wentz the number two pick looks like okay that's my whole point The only number I care about is he's a number one pick.

If you don't get wow moments from your quarterback in the first time you see him on a football field, then you made the wrong pick. Take a pass rusher. Take a running back. Okay, I can make an argument. Saquan Barkley's not a number one pick, but you're going to get wow moments from him. That guy that Denver got, Bradley Chubb, you're going to get some wow moments. That's what you get with the number one pick.

You pay $85,000 for a car. Don't brag about a cup holder. You're all race. Your standards are so low in Cleveland. You're racing to Twitter. Ooh. Ooh. Look at that slant pattern.

That's the minimum. That's not what you brag about. If you pay $1,200 for a hotel room, I'd better get a jacuzzi on a balcony overlooking either the Pacific or the Atlantic Ocean. if I pay $1,270 bucks for a hotel room, I'm not going to go, hey, honey, we got free HBO. That's the minimum. You get that for $150 a night, maybe even Showtime, maybe even Netflix. Come on, man.

This is my whole point on Baker Mayfield. That number one pick has got to be, wow. Now, his career may not last forever because he gets injured. Maybe he's not as great as everybody thought he would be, but a number one pick is a wow pick. Like when you watch the games, last night, Fletcher Cox treated Baker Mayfield like a stuffed animal. He was a little tiny.

Could have fit him in his glove compartment. That's what I said about Baker Mayfield. He's going to be fine in this league. You can win games with Baker Mayfield. But is there a big gap with Baker and Tyrod Taylor? Does anybody think Tyrod Taylor would have been a number one pick? Anybody think Case Keenham would have been a number one pick? No.

I like Teddy Bridgewater. You're not a number one pick. You've got to give me big, big arm. So, I mean, I think what's happening in Cleveland is that Cleveland Brown fans, self-esteem is so low. Their standards are so low. they just want a car that runs, that doesn't stall on the freeway driving to work, that lasts the entire lease. But when you watch Carson Wentz and Deshawn Watson,

you are getting wow moments for those young guys. I mean, Carson Wentz, when he came into this league, they played him in one preseason game in Philadelphia, then they never played him again. And then he opened up week one, two touchdown, 270 yards, and they're won. I mean, they put him on the shelf. They're like, here's Carson Wentz. holy good Lord never played in rest of the preseason

when you draft the guy number one like a Carson Wentz or a number two like a Carson Wentz I want wow they draft Carson Wentz they were the pits they were reeling two years later he's borderline MVP he's in the Super Bowl remember what Bucky Brooks said on the couch here remember what Bucky Brooks said a couple days ago on the couch here it was when you take someone in the top 10 for instance you've talked about Baker Mayfield being number one overall

and the expectation the standard is different When you take somebody in the top 10, the expectation is that guy is going to be the best at his position within the first two to three years of his career. He's going to be a top three or top four player at his position. Do you see that with Baker? No, you don't. You are literally rushing to Twitter because he completed a slant pattern. Congrats on the cup holder. Congrats on free HBO.

Have higher standards. Let me shift to this. Tom Brady's trainer, Alex Guerrero, banned from the team plane a year ago. Well, well, well, is back on the team plane. Let's see. In the last year, Tom Brady said, Jimmy Garoppolo, I want him out of town. They trade him. Tom Brady said, OTAs, that's for everybody else.

I'm going to skip them. Alex Guerrero, we're going to set a precedent. I get my guy in the plane. Win, win, win. Folks, this is sports in 2018. Tom Brady should get all of those. He should get all of those. We give NBA stars those.

We're not going to give the greatest football player in the league one of those. Tom Brady has earned the right to special treatment. We give special treatment on Wall Street. We give it in politics. We give it in corporate America. We give it in the NBA. Whoa. We don't give it to the best football player in the last 10 years in America.

He has earned it. He's not a guy that doesn't put in the time. He's not a guy you can't trust. He's not a guy that blows up locker rooms. when you've had power your entire life, it's hard to surrender it. The NBA has a much easier time allowing Stars special treatment because the NBA has always been a player's league, so coaches don't walk in with the fist and the gavel.

The NFL, though, no guaranteed contracts, has always, always run the league through its coaches and GMs. But the world's changing. Players want to talk politics. Players want to be empowered. Players want to have massive charities. Players go to play with other players. Players leave the town they grew up in.

Players chase not just money but rings and community. Why is the NBA and its fans so comfortable with that? And why is the NFL and its fans so uncomfortable with that? it. The NFL, it's 2018. Tom Brady is like, hey, Jimmy Garoppolo, get him out of here. LeBron could do that. OTAs, all pass. LeBron could do that. Trainer, get him in the plane next to me.

LeBron could do that. You know, when the stepdad or the dad rules the family with an iron fist, My way of the highway. And then his son gets a job and does really well, maybe in tech. And by 24 years old, he makes more a year than dad's made in the last 10. And he doesn't have to listen to Dad. Dad looks old and out of place. Kind of silly.

Everybody kind of whispers about Dad. Bill Belichick's figured it out because Bill Belichick's really smart. Bill Belichick let him skip. IPOTAs didn't make a big deal out of it. Bill Belichick, let him put Alex Guerrero right back on the plane and has not made a big deal out of it because Bill Belichick's smart. This is the minimum for the greatest football player that has played this game in 15 years. There has been no more impactful, important player.

Even players, NFL Network has a poll every year. Players vote Tom, number one. This year, players voted Aaron Rogers like, if I recall, call like eight or 10. This is not pampering, by the way. Tom Brady is not being pampered. This is called extending your career. I know you're looking at it thinking,

wins for Tom, wins for Tom in your face, Belichick. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is 2018. This is what the best player in a league, including the NFL, should be allowed to get. a top trainer on the plane, a threat at quarterback instead of a draft pick to help the great quarterback, and he should not have to go to OTAs, nor should that guy ever have to play in preseason though Brady wants to because he's got a bunch of new receivers.

These are not outrageous claims. These are not outrageous asks. It's 2018. Give Bill Belichick credit. He's figured it out. but coming up next what the NFL has not figured out and for the life of me I don't get it that's coming up by the way uh nick foles jason whitlock and i used to always argue about this he's like nick fools you got that guy's going to challenge carson wince and i'm like no he's not carson wince is a

is a world-class talent carson wince is changing the league carson wince is going to be all-time stuff Nick Fulz is like a great backup. He's a C-plus guy. You can put him in as a spot starter. He's been terrible in the preseason. He was terrible against New England. He was terrible last night. But his career numbers, he's an 87 passer rating guy.

He's won 22 games. He's lost 17. He completes about 60%, which is a minimum in this league. He's got 60 touchdowns and 30 picks. He's a guy. I mean, he's good enough to play in the NFL. He was a nice college starter. I mean, he had a great game.

in the Super Bowl, but he's been really good with Doug Peterson and for a brief time with Chip Kelly. Those are exceptional offensive coaches. But, I mean, a lot of guys, folks, a lot of NBA players have scored 28 points in a game. Kobe Bryant did it every night, being double-teamed, being trapped, being game planned against. Kobe Bryant did it every night for 15 years. A lot of guys score 28 occasionally every other week. Roger Maris hit 61 home runs in baseball one. It was a record that stood for decade after decade after decade after decade until the steroids.

But Roger Maris was never a 300 hitter. He had a great year. There was a guy in baseball named Adam Kennedy that I think won the ALCS MVP had three homers in a game. Adam Kennedy never hit more than 13 in a season. He had a great series. There's a big difference between having a great Super Bowl and being a great quarterback. Carson Wentz is a great talent and a great quarterback talent with a great great arm and great size and great legs.

Nick Flows, he's a guy who had a great Super Bowl and has had a couple of great months. He's not a great quarterback. There's no battle for supremacy here in Philadelphia. Don't fall in love. Remember when LeBron got all those new players? Remember at the trading deadline where the Lakers made a trade? And that first night together, they were great. And a month later, it's like Jordan Clarkson's $13 million a year.

He can't play. A million people do this for a living. You can have a good segment. Everybody sounds good on Monday on a television show that talks sports during the NFL season. Try Tuesday in August. Okay. Great is, Nick Foles is inconsistent. If you're great once a week, you know what they say about you in basketball?

God, he's such a head case. You never know what you're going to get. That's what great once every two weeks is in sports. it's not a good word, it's a bad word, it's a word that gets coaches fired. God, he's never know what you're going to get from the guy. He's totally inconsistent. That's what Nick Foles is. Carson Wentz, four to five games.

Holy God, what is that? Okay, so the people fall in love. A restaurant can have a good night. Are they good every night? That's great. So when I watch Nick Foles, I'm like, yeah, that's Nick Foles. He has games like that. You know, I mean, before Chip Kelly came, he was done.

He was thinking about retiring. And if the Eagles didn't get Doug Peterson, Doug Peterson's taking him to a new level. When he gets the right coach that uses some of his skills, he can succeed, but he's not special. You're not got your building around. But again, he's made the NFL. He's made plays.

But the difference between great and a guy is doing it every night. Think about Kobe Bryant. He's double-teamed every night. every night. Game planned against every night for 18 years. He averages 28. It's 16 in his last game. Everybody in the league's trying to figure out how to stop Kevin Durant. Ten years in the can't. LeBroad can't stop him. That's great. When Kauai Leonard was healthy, you're getting 24 a night in great defense. That's great. But you'll have nights when, you know, you watch an NBA game, Tuesday in Denver, guy gets hot, hits back to back to back three. He ends up with 24 points.

He's a guy. Just an inconsistent. guy. Again, they're all pro athletes, so they're all amazing. But, you know, I don't know, the confusion with Nick Foles, I can't believe what happened last night. I can. I've watched him play every game. I watched them in college. This is what you get. Jamie with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so we saw on Hard Knocks the other night how excited Hugh Jackson was to have Des Bryant coming to check them out. Well, he walked away empty hand.

so maybe the Browns weren't so interested after all. Well, think again. They are reportedly still very interested in signing Des Bryant. And the word is, is that they don't see the drop off in the last couple of years, statistically, as a sign of him being on the decline. And they want to add as many playmakers as they can. And my thought on that is, why not, if you're the Cleveland Browns, take part in the Des Bryant experiment in Cleveland?

Why not? Because... What have you got to lose? Well, if you look at the history, of the franchise, which has been dysfunctional, and you've got Josh Gordon where you've got an issue here to deal with, and you've got outspoken Jarvis Landry, and you've got the Calloway kid who's had troubles. You know, you can certainly make the argument that we are very, and we got a rookie quarterback, and then we got a coach on the hot seat, and then we got

Todd Haley's the offensive coordinator who tends to be kind of a butt-shoer, and now I got hard knocks in the building. I could make the argument, and I think it's a fair argument. And if they bring him in fine, but I think you can make the argument, how many combustible pieces does the franchise want? Well, what's one more act in the circus? I mean, what if this thing goes awry? Now, maybe Des Bryan is a shining star for you. I would rather, I think it would be more interesting to see him on a New England

or a Saints or a Philadelphia where I've got my coach, I've got my offensive line, I've got a really good owner, I don't have dysfunction, I'm a winning organization. You know, when kids get adopted, they make sure the kids that have a troubled background go to stable families. And that's what free agency is. A lot of times it's like a big adoption agency

where if a guy's got some issues, you bring, like for instance, Marcus Peters got thrown off his college team and the chiefs got rid of him. But the Rams, they've got their quarterback, they've got their good coach, they got their GM, they've got good ownership. So the Rams are like,

we're going to bring on Marcus Peters. We think we can withstand some of his stuff. So I think you have to be very careful with combustible players in any sport. Speaking of combustible players, Odell Beckham, it looks like the Giants are optimistic about finalizing that deal before the season opener on September 9th. So Beckham, as we know, all the antics that we've seen in the past, and obviously he missed most of last season, he did not hold out.

He showed up. He was the company guy saying it's all going to work itself out. mild mannered in the way he's handled this whole thing. I say, hey, the man, why wouldn't you? He's earned it. Well, we are also having a sea change in the NFL. I've never been a big believer of paying a fortune for perimeter players. But the precedent has been set.

Yeah, when we're also, and I think this is part of it, the catch rule has been tweaked, and the helmet rule is being enforced. Is it realistic to say in the NFL this year, There's 512 games that one catch-a-game will be allowed that wasn't for the last 10 years. 500 more catches. I think you're going to have at least 500 helmet rule calls. Those are going to give automatic first downs. You know what I'm noticing, Jamie, in the last year, in the last six months even?

Receivers are getting paid. We have two new rules in the NFL that are very pro-wide receiver. And I think, look at what the Rams paid brand. Cooks, you start looking at what people are doing around the league paying receivers. I think the Giants are saying, we got rule changes. He could, he, a receiver today is more valuable than 12 months ago. And this extension that he's expected to get would pay him more than the $17 million per year that Antonio Brown is going to make.

James Hardin, last one for you, Colin, saying that Carmelo Anthony, who's obviously news, is his latest home with the Houston Rockets, is going to fit in easy. He recently spoke to the Players Tribune had this to say about Mello as an addition to the roster. Coming off of MVP season, now you've got to add Carmelo and Anthony. It's going to be easy. The transition is easy. When you've got that many talented IQ guys around

who loves to communicate and loves to figure things out, the job is easy. You know what? It's not about IQ. Nobody's saying Carmelo's dumb, but it's about self-awareness. Does Carmelo have the same? does Carmelo have the self-awareness to say,

I'm probably better served off the bench. And so that's, in the NBA, what makes Steph Curry great is that Steph Curry is like, you know what, if I take fewer shots, but we get Kevin Durant, that could be great for me in the long term. It's not about being smart, although there's some component to that. For Carmelo Anthony, it's like, hey, man, these are two great players. This system is great for offensive guys. I'm an offensive guy.

am I willing to come off the bench and be a dominant second unit guy? There's nothing wrong with that. Again, Carmelo Anthony is going to be a Hall of Famer, but there is a time for every player to say, okay, my role has changed. Like Draymond Greens, like, hey, I'm not going to take a lot of shots on this team. That's still a great role to be on an incredible team like Golden State. You just have to know where you fit.

And I think you hit the nail on the head with that, because if you remember last year at OKC Media Day, someone asked Mello about being part of that high, high-scoring offense and, you know, maybe coming off the bench, and he kind of laughed it off. But maybe the way things have gone in the last year, maybe he would be more adaptable. Mike Dantone has yet to commit to say he would be a starter or a bench guy. So we'll see how that plays out. I think that that's an important part for Mello's success in the league next season is knowing his role.

Good stuff. Jamie with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Well, Tim Couch was a number one pick for Cleveland at quarterback back in 1991. I was thinking this morning when I heard Tim was on the show, now Cleveland, obviously, for the last decade, has been bizarrely dysfunctional, like L.A. Clippers under Donald Sterling dysfunctional.

I'm thinking 20 years ago were they as dysfunctional. I don't believe they were because they'd previously had some Bernie Cozar stuff. But they were still, I think there was a stigma a little bit with them. and I want to bring him in via the Coward Global Satellite Network. So first, Tim, educate me on this. 1999. Now, we know what we see with Cleveland now and the coaches and the GMs and the players. And I said this before.

I feel bad for Baker because he's going to have to overcome some dysfunction. That's hard. But I want to go back to 1999. Take me back to when you were drafted. Was Cleveland as dysfunctional as today? Well, it's hard to say. You know, we were an expansion team in 1999. You know, the Browns went out.

of the league and became the Baltimore Ravens. So I was the first pick in the new Browns organization back in 1999. So it was it was very difficult time. We weren't a very good theme, but, you know, we had some talented rookie players and, you know, a rookie head coach and Chris Palmer. And we were just trying to go out there and make plays and try to figure out how to win games in the NFL. But to say we were as dysfunctional as they have been in the last few years. It's hard to say. You know, I think we were progressing at a pretty good pace there. You know, my, when I was in my fourth year, we made the playoffs. And, you know, that's the only time the Brown, the New Browns have only been to the playoffs at that time.

And, you know, they haven't been back since. So I'm proud of being on that team and being able to take that team from, you know, being an expansion team to get them to be a playoff team. And I just wish my career could have saved healthy and had a longer career there. Tim, it's, listen, it's pretty well chronicled that I didn't like a lot of the, you know, stuff that Baker did in college, a lot of the, you know, throwing footballs at people and stuff. I'm not a big fan of that.

I don't care if you're a, you know, a safety and you got a little bit of a div in you. I want my quarterbacks to be a little more mature, a little more Russell, and a little more Andrew Luck, whatever. But I've also made this argument that Cleveland had a chance to get a big athlete like Deshawn, Deshawn, or Deshawn Watson, who's a spectacular dynamic athlete.

Carson Wentz, big athlete. But they went Cody Kessler, they went Colt McCoy, they go Baker Mayfield. I have said this before. Playing outdoors in Cleveland, outdoors in Sincke, outdoors in Baltimore. If you go to the NFC North, outdoors in Green Bay,

outdoors in Chicago. I think in the north, I want a big, strong, strapping, dynamic arm. That is my first criticism of Baker. So let's address that. Is that a fair criticism

that Cleveland keeps going back to six-foot guys from warm weather conferences? You know, they do. They have a track record of doing that. And if you look at the conference in the AFC North,

you're talking about big, strong quarterbacks, like you said, the Rathosburgers, Joe Flackos, and those kind of guys. And it's a very physical division at the tough division. And, you know, it's, you know, he's not prototypical size. You know, he's six foot tall. He runs a four, eight, 40. You know, he's not that, you know, six, four,

230-pound guy that you're, you know, traditionally looking for. But, you know, I think Baker makes up for it in so many ways. His footwork, his pocket presence, his poise in the pocket. He does so many things that are just, you know, uncanny for a rookie quarterback to do. And, you know, he's been, I've been able to watch him a lot during training camp. I've seen all this preseason game so far. and he's really picking up the offense. And, you know, you worry about that size. But, you know, Kyle, I haven't seen a batted ball in training camp. I haven't seen one batted ball in preseason.

He does a good job of sliding and finding lanes to deliver the football from. And, you know, I think that's pretty rare for a rookie quarterback. Yeah, I've tried not to pick on his numbers. I said this morning, I don't care about his 493 quarterback rating. It's unfair. I'm not picking on guys for numbers. You got a new coordinator, new coach. But I do wonder this.

You like him more than I do, but I've never said he's going to bust. He's a really accurate thrower of the football. And generally in this league, if you're an accurate thrower, you're going to stick in this league. Now, depending on what's around you, you can be much better, averaged to very good. Let me throw this at you, though. Last night, Terod Taylor gets hurt. And they bring him back. And I'm thinking to myself, what time out?

if Matt Ryan got hurt in a preseason game they're not bringing him back is is baker is this going to be trouble for Baker that the head coach appears to want Tyrod to start especially early because Hugh needs wins or he's going to get fired do you think that dynamic is something you have to that's a little bit of a problem for Baker well I think Tyrod was really trying to get back in their football game because you know he knows his time in Cleveland you know as a starting quarterback is going to be limited with the number one pick of the draft set behind him. So, you know, I've been in that situation before where the backup is, you know, playing well, is well-like, those kind of things. And you just don't want to come off the field, man. You will do anything to stay on the field.

And I think last night after he went in and he got the x-ray on the wrist and it showed that there was no damage in there that he wanted to get back out of the field because he knows he's playing for his job. And he's a tough guy. He's a great leader. You know, he's really taking ownership with his team since he came over from Buffalo and he's doing a great job. Those guys really respect him and respond to him. And, you know, I think it's this team, right now. You know, Baker just has to wait his turn, but I think you're exactly right. Hugh Jackson is not going to throw a rookie quarterback out there right now when he's won one game the last two seasons and take his chances where the rookie rookie quarterback's starting. I think he's going to take

a proven guy in Tyrod Taylor who took a team to the playoffs last year, who hadn't been in a long time. He's a pro bowl quarterback. He's had some success in this league. So I think you go with Tyrod right now and you bring Baker along when he's ready. Okay, so here we go, Tim. I want you to give me, if I say, okay, five years from now, throw some numbers out. Now, you don't have to be totally precise, but what is Baker in five years to you? I think he's a highly successful NFL quarterback. And, you know, I say that for several reasons. You know, number one, his skill set.

He has a tremendous skill set. He's got a big arm, a stronger arm than you think he does. When you see it in person, it shocks you a little bit because you don't think he can spin it that much, but he really can. He can push it down the field. And I like, you know, with John Dorsey coming in as a new general manager, I think that he's putting the pieces in place for Baker to have success. And to me, you know, having success as a quarterback in the NFL is all about who's around. You know, do you have playmakers around you? You know, you got Josh Gordon coming back now.

You've got Jarvis Landry who led the NFL in receptions last year. You've got a good group of young receivers that can contribute. You've got a good running game with Carlos Hyde and Nick Chub and Duke Johnson. And you have one of the highest paid offensive lines in the NFL. So the pieces are in place for Baker to have success. and he has a skill sets to match and go out there and make plays and perform at a high level. So I think he's going to be a high level quarterback in the NFL in five years. And I'm a big fan.

You know, I wasn't completely sold on Baker until I went and saw him in person and got to watch him at practice and watch how the guys respond to him and see his leadership skills and just see him throw the football and his command of the offense and all those kind of things. And, you know, I'm definitely sold on him now and I think he's going to be an excellent player in the league. Tim Couch, number one pick for Cleveland does some of their preseason stuff. I'm not sure if this is Skype or not. But that is the clearest picture I've ever seen on our global satellite network. So you have a beautiful home.

And thank you. Thank you for joining us today, Tim. Thanks for having me on calling. I appreciate it. Thanks. You bet. By the way, Cleveland and Philadelphia between the two, three starters, three starters got hurt last night.

There are four or five things in sports. And I'm going to give you a list of stuff I just do not get. All these billionaires, all these smart guys, all these commissioners, all these vice presidents, and there's five things happening in sports. Just explain them to me. Because I'm just a layman. I'm just a radio TV guy, right? But there's five things in sports, and I saw one of them last night.

I just don't understand. And it's so obvious. And they're not good for their leagues. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Car shopping's confusing a lot of terms. Dealer price, list price invoice.

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Now, finally the smart people in the NFL are realizing what is the point of playing Jared Goff and Todd Gurley? Okay, they have these things in the NFL. There's no reason for the preseason. They have these things in the NFL called joint practices. Bill O'Brien had one a couple of days ago. He said, yeah, we just ran about 150 plays in two days in 100 degree heat. Yeah, that's pretty good work. In joint practices, here's the kind of a crazy thing.

Nobody hits your quarterback. in joint practices because you're just playing one team and it's not televised, coaches are willing to do all sorts of exotic packages. They won't televise during the preseason. So you actually, I could argue, get more work done and nobody gets hit, you know, like your quarterback. It's amazing to me. There's five things in sports that I just don't get.

That if you were dropped on this planet out of a spaceship and introduced to sports, here's the five things that make no sense. Number one, the NFL preseason. For the record, we're just eight days away from Notre Dame facing Michigan, 19-year-olds, no pre-season, no joint practice, massive practice limitations, multiple teenagers, and they'll do just fine. What is the point of the preseason? Last night, Cleveland, Philly, three guys got hurt.

San Francisco, five guys got hurt. Minnesota had six guys get hurt. What are we doing here? They're called joint practices. You have grown men, veterans, 28. College football doesn't have it with teenagers. And when Auburn plays Washington in eight days and Notre Dame plays Michigan in eight or nine days, and those games mean more because if you go 0 and one in college football,

it can ruin your season. It can upend your season. What are we doing with preseason? What are we doing? Finally, guys in this league, Breeze, Ben, Rogers, golf, get them out of there. no reason to play. Here's number two. Major League Baseball.

162 games, an utter marathon, and then the playoffs start with a one-game playoff. What? So the whole thing about baseball is a marathon, and then when the game really counts, it's a 40-yard dash. So I prove all year I'm superior to you, and then because pitching matchups,

I have to win a game late in the season to get, in, I have to use a number two or a three starter. You get your ace and you beat me even though, what? Major League Baseball, first of all, your season's too long. It should be 120 games max. But secondly, how do you have 162 games, many that don't matter? And when they finally do, it's a one-game playoff. I would be much more comfortable with a one-game basketball playoff.

We do that in college. I would be okay with one-game football playoffs, but in baseball, baseball is not a one-game sport one game doesn't mean anything you've had literally they used to send a major league baseball all-star team overseas to play in tournaments and they would lose to a japanese all-star team and they're not as good as our all-star team but in a game one air a pitching matchup doesn't work for you that doesn't make any sense number three that doesn't make any sense in sports to me is the imbalance in college football schedule it's absurd in college football in the SEC, Alabama has to only play eight conference games, meaning they get to play another

cupcake. But in the Big Ten or the Pac-12, you have to play nine conference games. You may say to yourself, well, it's just one more game. You don't think it's an advantage not having to play Georgia one year, whereas Michigan has to play Wisconsin. You do realize in the Big Ten, there's like seven legitimate teams now at the top. You don't think it would be an advantage not having to play Ohio State, not having to play Michigan State on the road in East Lansing, not having to play Michigan, not having to go play Penn State on the road Saturday night? You don't think that would be an advantage? You don't think it'd be a disadvantage if, oh, Nick, you just had to go to row on LSU.

Oh, next week, you got to go to the road on Georgia. Oh, but no, you don't have to in certain conferences because you get a buy week or play Panera bread. Come on, college football. Eight or nine games for everybody in the Power Fives. Here's another thing in sports I don't get. How about this one? Fighting in hockey.

Literally, you're dropped from a spaceship to the planet. And you watch a sport. Can you imagine in any other sport? Hey, they dropped their gloves. There's a fist fight. And the officials were like, yeah, you guys go at it. Go ahead, LeBron, Kevin Durant. Keep throwing haymakers.

Go ahead, J.J. Watt. Joe Thomas. You guys keep throwing haymakers. just sit back here and watch it. What are you doing? I mean, it's absurd. I know non-hockey guy loves the toughness of it. Listen, hockey is tough without fighting.

Ever been checked into the boards? You ever played one of those shifts against the top physical defensemen? Hockey's tough without fist fights. And what's number five? Major League Baseball allows you to throw a small, orb at a man's head for a variety of reasons. He hit a home run off me. I'm going to throw a ball at his eye.

He jogged too slowly around the bases after jacking a ball off my crappy slider. I get a throw at him. What? Automatic ejection. If you make the major leagues, how about this? And a guy hits a home run off. you. If you at any point in that season hit him, it's an ejection automatically. You're a major league pitcher. You're a major league pitcher. If Tom Brady with people chasing him

can throw only five interceptions in a year, then a major league pitcher can avoid throwing at somebody's temple. These are the five things I do not get in American sports. The NFL preseason, one game baseball playoff, imbalanced college football schedules, fighting in hockey, and allowing people to throw it other people. Because, you know, I didn't like the pace he ran around the bases.

Doesn't make any sense. You know, we have Doug Peterson on the coach of the Eagles here in about an hour and a half, two hours. And, you know, the preseason cracks me up because when Carson Wentz, from North Dakota State, small college, showed up. They played in one preseason game.

like hit it out of the park and play him again. And then he showed up in week one as a rookie and he threw for two touchdowns, 260 some yards, won the game. It doesn't take long to see who can play. Like you can't tell me, I'm sorry coaches, but you can't tell me that with joint scrimmages, unlimited OTAs and practices, all that film study,

you can't tell, really, you can't tell, Who can play? I mean, you've got him there. He's right there in your facility. I mean, you're spending all this money for draft picks. You've never seen him play even in your sport. They play college sports. I just don't think, now I'm not saying there's not mistakes,

but once you get a guy in, it's hard sometimes to tell how will a guy go from a college sport to a pro sport? Like the physicality, the pressure, now he's got money. I get mistakes in drafting. But once a guy's on your soil, like, Once a guy's there and he's on your campus and in your facility, how long does it take to see can play, can't play? Can cover, can't cover it.

Can pull, can't pull. It's not that tough. Some positions may be a little tougher. A quarterback takes a little longer, but even quarterback, you can watch a guy throw a ball for 10 minutes. He can spin it or he can't. Like he can put it in a small window. How long it takes to see Brett Farve and go,

okay, that doesn't look like everybody else? How long did it take to see Matt Ryan and go, we're not going to push the ball down the field as much. He's going to be a precision thrower, but he doesn't have a cannon. Preseason, don't get it. Never happened. Used to be, by the way, six games for a brief time in the 70s. You used to be six games from like 70 to 77.

Hour two, Rob Parker is going to yell at me in L.A. It's the herd. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. live in Los Angeles. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Jamie Maggio is joining me again today, third straight day in the herd, and we love having you on the show. And this is one of my favorite times of the year, late August. My kids are in school. The house gets quieter. And I can just, I love watching these preseason games. I was with a buddy of mine last night, Ryan Rosillo. Congratulations to him, just signed with the ringer. Good dude. And we're watching football. We're talking about quarterbacks. I love this time of the year. I'm going to have a guest on in five minutes.

whose dad was on a Super Bowl staff who I've relied on for years. I heard about him in local radio years ago, Lance Zerline, now NFL draft analyst, NFL.com, one of the sharpest guys out there. And I bring him on a couple times a year, just love his work. And we're going to talk about all these young quarterbacks. This is a very exciting time for you as a consumer. You know, five of these teams have new quarterbacks, and we have a history in this league where guys get drafted in the third. Like Russell Wilson, they become Hall of Fame talents.

DeShon Watson went way too low. I mean, this is fun. If you love college football and I do, and you love the NFL, then you have to love the draft. And this is kind of the first presentation for all of us publicly of the draft. Like, who's worth the pick? And I've told you before, I think Nick Chubb has a chance to be rookie of the year. I think everybody's paying attention to Baker. I think Nick Chubb was underdrafted and he's going to be a great player at running back for Cleveland.

But I want to say this, Odell Beckham, apparently it looks like the Giants are renegotiating him and getting him a big contract. Now, for years and years, I have said I am not a big believer in giving big money to wide receivers because there's no scarcity of it. College football gives you a ton of them. And I don't see where big numbers for Odell Beckham translate to big wins. You know, I've said before, if I could take five players to start my franchise, knowing they'd all be great. I'd take a quarterback, a left tackle, a pass rusher, an elite corner.

and then I'd either go back to the offensive line or an interior defensive lineman like Aaron Donald. Those are my five guys. I'm not by the sixth pick. I think I'd go and try to get another corner or a great Mike linebacker in the middle. I'm not a big believer in wide receivers, but I've also been somebody that I've said for years,

there's no nobility in stubborn. When information presents itself, you have to change. There's a reason pilots reroute. There's a reason they created Google Maps. There's an accident in the freeway. Take an exit. I'm not one of these guys. I hear it all the time calling you flip-flop.

No, I read a lot. And when I get new information, I have new opinions. There's no value to me to give you an old, stubborn opinion. Right now in the NBA, the mid-range jumper has very little value, shoot threes. And the people who have adapted early to that, like Daryl, LeBron James, Golden State, are winning titles and getting to the finals. The Boston Celtics are very good. good adapters on the three ball.

And so I don't love wide receivers, but we got two things going on here. Okay? We got a catch rule that's just been tweaked that is a pro wide receiver rule now. We're going to have 400 catches this year, many of them touchdowns that are going to be allowed that weren't allowed for the last decade. And I think Andy Reid sees that and says, give me Sammy Watkins. And I think less need of the ram sees that and says, get me. Brandon Cooks.

And so that's number one. We got a rule change. It is a pro-wide receiver rule change. The second thing we have is a helmet rule is going to be enforced. It's not necessarily changed, but it's going to be enforced. What does that mean? Automatic first down. You don't think that's going to result in field goals and touchdowns?

We have two major rule tweaks. They are both very pro-wide receiver. That's why I had Bucky Brooks on the other day. He talked about who's getting the big money this off-season. Right now it's about the three-pies, passers, playmakers, and pass catchers. Teams are no longer investing big money and defensive stars because they know you can outscore people and win significant games. Just follow the money in the offseason.

Follow the money. Earl Thomas can't get it. Aaron Donald can't get it. Kaleel Mack can't get it. And with that, I bring in via the coward, Global Satellite Network. Lance is Erline. NFL Draft Analyst, NFL.com. Father of Super Bowl winner on a staff in Arizona.

are you doing. You got some nice bottles of wine behind you. Thanks for joining us today. Yeah, thanks for having me. I always love talking football with you. Lance, I'm not caught up in Baker-Mayfield's numbers, but I've said before, I want a mazorati, not a Mazda, although I've driven a Mazda. It's a great car. With my number one pick, I'm looking for some cam, some luck, some wince, some wow. I don't want you to rush to Twitter and tell me about a slant pattern that Alex Smith can throw, okay? Because I don't think Alex, you know, he was that, but I don't see him as a number one kind of pick. So what do you see on Baker? Where did you have graded? And what have you seen? I had him as a late first to early second pick. I thought he was a good

quarterback. I have the same concerns a lot of people had about the size and about playing, you know, in a scheme, quote unquote, a system. But one of the things that I really like about Baker is that he had a lot of the intangibles that you really like from a leadership standpoint, from the ability to throw on the move. And something that I really thought was impressive from his junior year tape to a senior year tape was his ability to stay in the pocket. And he had a tendency to, you know, to jump out there out of the pocket and try to make plays when things broke down his junior season. But a senior year, he got a lot better. And so when I've watched him so far in the offseason, I mean, rather in the preseason, he looks like the same guy who is dancing around.

the pocket, maneuvering, sliding in the pocket, but staying in the pocket, finding targets, making relatively accurate throws with good placement. I've been impressed so far, and I'm with you. I didn't think he was the first pick of the draft, and I agree with you about the Maserati and the Mazda thing, but I do think that if you get a car that can drive really, really exceptionally well and stay on that road, then, you know, where he got drafted isn't going to matter to Cleveland if he's putting up Ws in the future. How do you, let's talk Donald in New York. Now, he didn't have the pressure of number one, and I actually think as much as people look at the dysfunction of the jets, it's not the dysfunction of Cleveland. In the last 10 years, I think it's the last 10 years, the jets have been 500 or better six times.

So let's not just lump the dysfunction of the jets in with Cleveland. Okay, they were 5 and 11 last year and had six one possession losses, one to New England, one to Atlanta. So I would say this. I think Darnold actually doesn't have the players around him on offense like Baker does right down this second. But I like Sam's coach. I like Sam's front office. I like the infrastructure of the Jets more than Cleveland. How do you think the Donald thing works?

Your take away on what you've seen going forward. I was a big fan of Sam Darnold's as well. I know you were. I was team Darnold. To me, he was the clear-cut number one quarterback in this draft. He had the size, he had mobility, he had armed talent, he had the ability to throw on the move. There was a lot of things to like about Sam Darnold. He could get through reads and he was a full field reader.

I mean, his biggest issue and the biggest knock, obviously, was turnovers, was interceptions and fumbles. And that is a concern moving forward. But you know what I really love about him and I think made him uniquely suited for the Jets? Is that he's got just such a football first mentality. I don't think he's going to get rattled by the press. I don't think he's going to get rattled by the lights. I don't think he's going to get rattled by the fan base. And I think he is uniquely suited to handle a big market like New York and a big media market like New York.

And I really think he's going to excel. I think we're seeing signs of it already with Sam Darnold. And I think he's going to be a week one all the way to 16 starter this year. And I'm expecting good things from him. You and I are on the same page with Sam Darnold. Now, Lamar is more project than prospect. What have you seen? What worries you?

What do you like with Lamar Jackson? I mean, he's, he's, my biggest concern with him coming out of the draft was Lamar Jackson, to me, could make explosive play. So I didn't worry as much about the, you know, some of the completion percentages and the accuracy, because I know he's going to make explosive plays. My biggest concern was, will he get down and avoid big hits when he leaves a pocket because he didn't do that in college? He just didn't slide. And guess what? He's already, watch this. Boom.

I mean, that's a nightmare for Marty Morning. It's a nightmare for the entire Ravens organization. And he's not getting down and sliding. That was the huge concern. And there's a lot of people who think, well, it'll just happen. You know, look at Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was a baseball player. Russell Wilson knew how to slide. RG3, who's on that same Ravens team, had the same concern and it never really got fixed. I think it's a legitimate concern for Lamar moving forward. I worry less about the football stuff and more about not taking the big hits. And obviously, his own OC is already really concerned about that.

I imagine you still live in Houston, and Deshawn Watson's really interesting. So Andrew Luck gave us 11 and 5, 11 and 5, 11 and 5, and 5, and then got hurt. Deshawn gave us about a four games, six game, seven game stretch of amazing, and then he got hurt. So I have been reluctant to go, okay, this is the next whatever. You know, with Carson Wentz, I got a year, almost two full years before he got hurt. I mean, what is, I said when he came out, I don't know if he's a number one, pick, but I thought he was the best quarterback available. I thought it was better than

Trubisky. But I, you know, how much was system? How much was Clemson's talent? Where are you on Deshaun today? He plays in your city. It's a huge, I don't want to say a Mia Coppa. I liked him. I was really concerned about things like, well, you know, he gets baited into bad turnovers. Guess what? He still gets baited into bad turnovers. But one of the things that I really learned was that if you can make explosive plays that lead to touchdowns, the turnover thing, we saw with Brett Farb, the turnover thing doesn't matter quite as much. And we saw last year in six starts, he had 18 total touchdowns.

Jimmy Garoppolo had seven total touchdowns and got $100 zillion. Deshaun Watson and 18 total touchdowns and over 1,500 yards passing. So I tell you what, Colin, his football acumen, his football characters off the charts, I'd heard that was the case. But he's that guy that what he did to Alabama has truly translated into the NFL. He's going to see wrinkles this year. There's no doubt about that.

So I can't just give him this. I'm not putting them in the Hall of Fame. I'm not crowning them, as Dennis Green once said. But I do think that if you give me $100,000 chip to take to Las Vegas, I'm going to bet it on yes instead of no. That's for sure. Okay. Any surprises of any of the young quarterbacks. We talked about all of them, some of them, not all of them.

Has there been one where you went, uh, come, maybe I missed on that one? Uh, you're talking about this year? Yeah. I, you know, I'm, I'm interested to see Josh Allen. I had him fifth out of the five quarterbacks. I didn't think he threw it that. He didn't throw at the accuracy in the pros. He didn't make quick decisions.

He allowed defenders to close on his throws too early. Those are issues that I think typically are hard to eradicate when you go to the next level. So, but, you know, his last game out, he had three. He scored on all three drives. So I think he's an interesting guy. He's mobile. He's got the arm strength. He's got, you know, the size.

I want to see if he can keep growing like he appears to be growing up to this point once the bullets really start flying and he's playing with the ones. I think he's going to end up the starter. I think Buffalo now has enough confidence that he'll be the starter. But I'm not quite sure that we're going to see what we've seen early in preseason, some positives. I think we're going to see when the game planning starts. he's going to struggle early. But if he doesn't, if he doesn't now, I'm going to be ready to eat crow for sure.

Lance Zerline, NFL.com. Great talking to you. Drink some of that wine behind you. Not too early, but some of it today. Thanks, Lance. Thanks, man. How about my guy Chris Ballard says he loves talking football with you? You're the football guy he loves talking to.

Oh, I love that. Chris Ballard, Colts, GM. That makes me happy. I'm a football guy. You're the football guy. We're both the football guys. Good talking to you. Yeah.

I was thinking about this with wide receivers. You know, many of the teams I like right now in the NFL, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, New Orleans, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Rams, Kansas City. They've got good wide receiving course. You know, so I'm always saying wide receiver, overrated, overrated. I'll also say this about, well, I'll do it on the other side. There's one thing about Baker. I don't want to hear any excuses. I don't want to hear any excuses.

And that's coming up next. Plus Rob Parker is going to yell at me. Doug Peterson, Philadelphia Eagles coach will be joining me as well. He's got a book, you know. Yeah, I know. He's got a book. Everybody's got a book. When's it one Super Bowl book?

I mean, the standards or just you win a Super Bowl, you get a book? When did he have time to write this book? Who had, what's that? You have zero Super Bowls and two books. No, I'm not a coach. I've been to Super Bowls and have two books. Don't miss the Big Three championship live tonight on Fox. Corey McGettie, Birdman, Chris Anderson, and Power will meet Drew Gooden and Three's

Company on the half court. Brooklyn to battle for the Julius Irving Championship Trophy. Catch all the action tonight live starting at 8 Eastern on Fox or you can stream it live on the Fox Sports app. By the way, the crowds they get for this have been incredible. They've really been incredible. So the big three at 8 tonight championship game, Doug Peterson of the Philadelphia Eagles could be joining us this hour or the beginning of next hour. It's great to have you in. Now, let me just say this. You love Baker Mayfield. I like Sam Darnold. I don't want to hear any excuses. let's just lay out the truth right now.

Right now, Baker has better players around him offensively. Jarvis Landry is a significantly better receiver than anybody the Jets have. Nick Chubbs is a better running back than anybody the Jets have. They have a better tight end in Cleveland than anybody the Jets have, and the Browns have spent more on their offensive line than the Jets have. That is not even debatable. Right now, Cleveland's got better players this minute. Now, it should also be noted, here's what Sam Darnold has.

Sam Darnold has a better organization, and I'd rather have that. The Jets in the last 10 years have been to the conference championship twice. They've been 500 or better six of ten times. Cleveland's zero. They were 10 and six three years ago. If you gave me the option and you said, okay, you're a young quarterback. You can get drafted by a team with a frenetic, a dysfunctional organization, but they have some really good players now.

Or by a more stable organization that doesn't have many good players, I would always take the stable organization. I've said this before. I've lived in eight states. I've worked for five different broadcasting companies, local, national. I've worked at one, I'm not going to get into it, but years ago at a local level, I worked for a bad station. Okay, a bad local state. Other than that, I've worked for great local stations.

I worked for Disney. It was good. Fox had been very lucky. I've worked with great companies. I've five or six. I had one bad one, and it was the only bad year and a half stretch in my life. It wasn't because my teammates were bad. My coworkers were bad.

That's because my management sucked. Sorry for using that word. I say it once a year. It was awful. And you can't overcome it. You cannot overcome awful bosses. You can't. They're making the decisions.

They're creating the rules. They're buying the rights. They're setting the sets. They make the graphics. You can't overcome lousy management. I don't care how talented you are. Andrew Luck overcame in Indianapolis for three years. For three years, he overcame a subpar coach, a bad offensive line,

no running game, an impulsive owner. and a GM that was fired. He overcame it for three years. Then he had a lacerated kidney and can't play. You cannot overcome bad management in any job for long. You maybe have the energy for a year or two, but it'll just beat you down. So don't kid yourself.

Baker Mayfield today has better players than Sam Darnold. That is not disputable. That Jets O line is trash. They don't have a tied end. They don't have elite running back. Some people like their wide receiving core. occurs pretty interesting, but it's not much. It's really pedestrian.

It's not a top 10 receiving core by any stretch. It's closer to the bottom 10 than it is the top 10. Maybe not as bad as Dallas, but it's not elite. So here's Jason Whitlock yesterday talking about the two teams, the two quarterbacks, and the two futures. I think the Jets will have a bigger turnaround improvement than the Browns. I think the Jets will have a four to five to six game improvement. And I think the best the Browns can do is win four games.

The Jets, with Sam Darnold, with the potential of trying to, just going out, talking about getting Khalil Mac speaks to me. They think they're in win now mode. They're going all in. Whereas I look at the Browns, I think they've got a tough road to home. I actually think Cleveland's got some players. I really do. Listen, when you're bad forever like the Pittsburgh Pirates were or the Houston Astros in baseball,

and you get all those number one picks and all those top five picks, you have to be, I mean, you can finally get some good players. If you look around sports where you've had these bad baseball teams forever, Houston was bad in baseball for a decade. And they get all these players, and you're like, oh, okay. And that's a big enough market where they can afford them. Now, I mean, it's just Cleveland's got players. I mean, you can't have the number one and the number four pick this year. And, I mean, those are two of the top four guys in college you could have picked.

if Baker is. We'll see if Denzel wore the corner. He's hurt. We'll see if he is. No excuses. There was a moment last night. I want to show Baker again. One of the things I've said about Baker Mayfield is there's never been in the history of any sport a two-time walk-on. That's what Baker Mayfield was. Be a number one pick in the NHL, the MLS, the NBA, or the NFL, or baseball. It doesn't happen. And I don't think he's a wow athlete. I don't. I don't. I think Cam is. I think luck is. I think Carson Wentz is.

Peyton Manning was a wow arm talent. Like a, you know, dad's an NFL quarterback. Great college, great pro. Far. There are a guy, Terry Bradshaw was a number one pick. Troy Aikman. You know, you walk into a room with Troy Akeman. I've been in a room with Troy Aikman.

You walk in, he was walking out of a restaurant, and you're like, who's that good looking big chest strapping? You're like, that's what it looks like. I've been in a room with Baker Mayfield. he's fine. He's not your type. He's fine. But, I mean, I've been in a room with Cam Newton.

I've been on a stage with Cam Newton. You're like, that's a number one pick. And, you know, Russell Wilson's great, but, you know, you walk into a room with Russell. He doesn't blow you away. Now, he is amazing. But there was a play last night, and, you know, this is what I've said. I just don't think he's an exceptional size, arm talent or an exceptional athlete. Here's the play.

Mayfield, scrambling for his last. life again back there and brought down from behind. And a good play by Winston Craig. If it's not with the Eagles, they're putting things on tape for other organizations to look at. Yeah, and I think that's the thing that Baker Mayfield is going to get used to. Like I said, he's only a 4840 guy, so he's not going to outrun a lot of people, but he's not accustomed to guys like this being able to tackle him at the collegiate level. And I remember my first time I played against the Philadelphia Eagles as a rookie.

and Reggie White got through the middle and chased me as I'm running away from the sidelines. And college, you just kind of run and you throw the ball. You don't even worry about it. Reggie got me from behind. I'll never forget it. I remember thinking 280 pounds or whatever he weighs and he's faster than I am. This is not good for me. Yeah, I mean, that guy Winston Craig, that's like he's not going to make the Eagles.

I mean, he's not going to make the team. And they didn't have all their starters defensively. So there's a reason that Big 12 quarterbacks have not done well. Big 12 doesn't play a ton of defense. It does not play a ton of defense. So the gap between what you saw in college and what you could do and what you can do now for all these college guys is significant. But Big 12 quarterbacks, I mean, it's just, it's seven on seven.

I mean, there's a lot of 52, 48 games in that conference. You don't see a lot of those in the SEC. And I'm not just picking on him taking this play. But, you know, again, I want a little bit more Maserati, a little less Mazda for that number one pick. He did make a couple of nice throws. He did have a red zone pick. That's the only place you can't throw TDs. You don't want take points off the board.

Interceptions are going to happen. Interceptions are fine. They're going to happen. You don't want him in the red zone. And that almost went for a pick six. But that's the first time I've talked about that today. I'm not banging on him for interceptions. I'm not banging on him.

Guys throw picks. It doesn't bother me. Peyton threw him. Elway threw him. Bradshaw threw him. Aikman threw him. Breeze throws him. I'm not eating the guy up for picks.

If you're taking chances, throwing the ball down the field, I can live with it. Luck throws him. I've never banged on cam for picks. I've banged on cam for lack of precision. You never hear me banging on cam because he throws a pick. Here's Jamie with the news. No. No.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin. And let's bring this one back, since you were so emphatic about it earlier in the show. Todd Gurley, the reigning NFL offensive player of the year, sitting out the entire preseason. If I'm a player, I want to go play for Shaw McVeigh. I like this. However, Todd Gurley spoke about what he thought about sitting out for the whole preseason.

Here he is. That is everyone dream is not to play in the preseason. What are you talking about at the end of the day? It's always going to be different between playing in the preseason and playing in the regular season. but it's definitely good for some guys as well, too. Some guys just like being out there just to get a feel for it and just see. But not this guy. You know what?

Totally appreciate his authenticity. He's just like, I don't want to play in the preseason. I have no problem with that. Kobe Bryant does not need to play in the NBA preseason. There's no, I don't remember one play from LeBron James career in the NBA preseason. Play your eight minutes. play minimum, get off the floor. I just don't buy it.

I don't like the preseason in any sport, really, except for spring training because it's fun to be out there in Arizona or Florida. However, if you are going to have a preseason, if you're going to televise four games of NFL preseason, if you're going to sell fans tickets, then you've got to play a guy like Todd Garley a little bit. Just put him in the game for a couple series, and that's it. You know what I'm surprised in the NFL, the preseason,

my wife is not a big sports fan. She said this. She's like, there's nobody at these games. It's like if you're the NFL, just Jamie, the imagery, it's bad. It always looks bad in baseball in April when the stadiums are empty. Like, I always, there's a friend of mine, Kevin, and he used to always have this theory. He said, if I owned a bar and it was on like a street, I would have a curtain. And on slow nights, I would pull the curtain in so it shrinks the bar.

So if there's only eight people in the bar, it makes it look like. Nobody wants to walk past a bar. When's the last time you walk past a bar with a cute girl in your arm and said, let's go into that dead place? You always want to go to a bar that's got a little juice to it, right? So you shrink the bar on dead nights, and it looks like it's busy and got energy. Nothing looks worse in sports in April baseball and August football when there's nobody in the stadium. You would think from the imagery, baseball would say, let's back the season up a month.

People sitting inside of a baseball stadium freezing as a consumer. I'm like, last place I want to go is to a baseball game. It turns me off. I think the NFL looks, I think it looks bad. You just gave me the perfect segue. Speaking of curtains, because Mike Tomlin has a giant curtain in Pittsburgh. I'm going to have to describe it to the people that are listening. But basically, he erected a tarp around the Steelers practice facility.

His reason was because of drones and so forth. Drones? Drones and so forth. Here's Mike Tomlin. I'll leave that somewhat. mystical, man, I'll let you guys, you know, hypothesize about the origins of that. You know how it is, man. This is interesting times, drones, and so forth, you know.

We do what we've got to do to prepare and be ready to play and play on a level, fair, competitive playing field. In the history of the NFL, he is the best coach ever in front of a microphone, ever. He's a great interview. He's just his expressions. I would have never thought. So what he's doing is he thinks people are so we're showing the visual for our TV audience there basically for the radio viewers it's four black poles they extend up into the air 60 feet basically a few years ago there was a building constructed across the street that is not part of the Steelers facility there's a couple

different groups in that building but Tomlin also obviously felt the urge to build this tarp and then when the team is out there practicing they raise the tarp up to block the view from that building so I think we really, what we really need to do is check the real estate records in Pittsburgh. If see if Belle Belichick has purchased any land nearby in the last few years. That would not be illegal, by the way. It would be illegal? But then you put the tarp up. That is so funny.

Is he paranoid? Do you think Tomlin's being paranoid? Yeah, a little bit. But, you know, somebody, there was a guy named Andy Grove who used to run a company called Intel. And he has a business book. He has a great line. Be paranoid. They do want your job.

Right. most great jobs, somebody would rather you get hit by a bread truck so they can have the job. So if I'm Mike Tomlin, I'm like, listen, if we just, if we got an office building over there, anybody in the NFL, Baltimore could run an office film it. You can't tell me you couldn't get something out of that. It's not, it sounds crazy, but weirder things have happened. By the way, the other side of the practice field is a body of water. So check for submarines too. All right.

So Raptors fans, last one here for you. Raptors fans have started a Kawhi or die campaign. We've seen fans do all kinds of crazy things when they're trying to convince a player to come to a team or to stay with a team. But there's now a Kawhi or die website. And we want to share with you some of the sentiment here. In typical Canadian fashion, it is very polite and it is well written and articulated. But the plea is this.

It's an opportunity for us fans to welcome Kauai to our beautiful city and to the basketball team we are all so passionate about. If one in ten Canadians digitally sign the form, we would be talking about 3.6 million entries. That is almost as many entries as people living in the second largest city in the U.S. Hey, look, it's L.A.

If we make enough noise, I can pretty much guarantee it will come to Kauai's attention at some point. It's very Canadian. It's very Canadian. But the good thing is that Kauai doesn't have to worry about them burning his jersey if he decides to leave town because they are Canadian. They're nice people.

Yeah, Canadians don't do. I was just there last week. Canadians don't burn jerseys. It's a sweet, please. Have you ever flown air Canada? I don't know. It's really good. It's really good.

I'll put it on my list. First time I've ever flown air Canada, it's like, that's a really good airline. Are there hot hand towels? There was. Warm nuts? Excuse me? No, it was just very good. I'll leave it at that.

Jamie with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Doug Peterson, Philadelphia Eagle Head Coach, Rob Parker may be around the corner to yell at me. Doug Peterson may yell at me. He's got a book.

So we're going to talk about that. I don't even know what to make of the preseason. What am I supposed to make it last night? Philadelphia couldn't score. Is that mean they're not going to score in the regular season? Like, Nick Foles wasn't good. Well, Nick Foles isn't going to play much in the regular season. I don't know.

You know, again, I know Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Atlanta, New England. I know they'll win a bunch of games. Now, there are rookies I want to watch, but we'll figure all that stuff out. Doug Peterson around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. When you're ready for a new car, Hyundai's on your team with their shopper assurance program, transparent pricing, flexible test driving, streamlined purchases. Go to Hyundai USA.com for their shopper assurance program.

Tim Couch was great today, number one pick for the Cleveland Browns in 19. 1991 did make the playoffs. Lance Zerline, dad, a Hall of Fame coach. He's an NFL.com guy. Rob Parker is going to join us today. And Doug Peterson, do we have an update here? Go ahead. You tell me my producer.

Do we go with Doug in Philly? All right. You want to go, Parker? All right, let's bring in our instigator, FS1 instigator. He is a proud professor of communications or something, whatever you are at USC. Journalism. Journalism. What is that?

teach that. Journalism. More instigation. There's nothing wrong with that. No, not at all. But journalism, we need journalism in this world. Especially now. We need strong journalism.

So I see this story. And Alex Guerrero on a plane. Bill Belichick kicked him off a plane. And now he got back on the Patriots plane. What does that tell you? It tells me that Bill Belichick has lost again. I mean, plain and simple. Tom Brady keeps beating Bill Belichick.

When a coach throws off a personal trainer, is that what you want to call him? I call him a witch doctor, whatever you want to call. No, now, come on. Whatever a coach does that. Remember, he did it last year at the end of the year when Tom Brady's having a MVP by default season, right? So it says that he was flexing his muscles that had to happen then, not in the offseason. where he could have changed the policy. He could have upset Tom Brady.

He did it anyway, and now somehow, some way, he's back on the team playing. What does that tell you? Tom Brady has more juiced than Bill Belichick, plain and simple. Why shouldn't he? Because he shouldn't. It's never about one player. It has to be about the coach. It has to be.

Well, it's not in the NBA. Well, the NBA's a different league, though. You're talking about, in the NBA, one or two players makes the difference. Well, you don't think Tom Brady, and Aaron Rogers make. Do you see Green Bay last year without Aaron Rogers? I got it. But I'm just saying you can't have one guy running and doing everything that he wants, even at that level, even as good as Tom Brady is. By the way, Bill Belichick has won five championships too. And got fired before Tom Brady. I got that. Tom Brady's always been great.

Tom Brady wasn't the first pick. Wasn't the number one, wasn't picked in the first round. People didn't know what Tom Brady was going to be. Tom Brady won the first Super Bowl with New England throwing one touchdown in the postseason. Let's not get crazy. Like Tom Brady was a can't miss. Oh, my God, he's going to be the next great thing. He was not that guy. Well, I mean, I don't know. It seems like in the NBA, why are we so comfortable in the NBA giving players power?

I think, Rob, I said this. Some dads rule their family with an iron fist. That's not how I roll. Some parents aren't forcing their kids. kids that do this and their wives to do that. And I think once you've had power for a long time in any business or relationship, it's hard to surrender it. Oh, no doubt about it.

And I think the NFL coaches and GMs have run this league, no guaranteed contracts forever. And what's happening, it's 2018. And players want to talk about politics. And Tom Brady's saying, timeout, I'm not, this isn't pampering. I'm not getting a back rub at a spa. This guy's extending my career. And LeBron James gets this.

Why can't Tom Brady say, I've been the best player in the league for 14 years? Like, I think players should get this stuff. I hear you, but I just think, then why can't other players? Because they're not as good as him. But there are other players. Do you want everybody to say, well, I really need this guy. So now you have a locker room with 20 guys who are their personal rub-down pill givers or whatever you want to call these guys.

So now the top 20 players all have extra. personnel inside the building. I just think it could be over the top. And I think he thought that Alice Guerrero had gotten over, you know, like overstepped his bounds, and that's why Bill Belichick had to push back. But obviously with Bob Kraft, the owner, right, that Tom Brady continues to win, and Tom Brady's going to rule the roost. And the owner has made a decision, and Bill Belichick is out, and Tom Brady's number one.

So Philadelphia won a Super Bowl. Boy, they've gotten chatty, haven't they? The coach has a book and the billboards from their fans and Lane Johnson calling out the Patriots and added Michael Bennett. And I said a couple of days ago, mind me, a Seattle. All I hear everybody except the quarterback, that's the guy I want talking. Everybody but the quarterback in Philadelphia is talking. Are they going to repeat? Are we going to see this thing bust?

I think they have the best chance to repeat. It's very difficult. The NFC, you know, has a ton of great teams. If I'm an Eagles fan, the thing that I'm excited about is that, the added juice, Nick Foles could never repeat what he did a year ago. It just like you're living on something. This guy outplayed Tom Brady in the Super Bowl was fantastic in filling in. But now the second year, Carson Wentz, he won a Super Bowl,

but he didn't have anything to do with it. He's going to be the guy who's energized, who wants to be that guy. He was on the verge of leading his team and winning the MVP before he got hurt. So to me, there's a new motivation. He's not going to let his teammates be Super Bowl lazy because, you know what? He didn't get a taste of it. He was supposed to be there and winning that Super Bowl and all the confetti and going to Disney World and the whole nine yards. But that didn't happen for him.

His ring is cubic zirconia. It's a fake ring. It's just not. October 7th, they take on the Vikings in a rematch of the NFC championship, so that'll be great. Sam Darnold. Now, you watch Baker last night. They're going to start Tyrod Taylor. Tyrod got hurt.

Hugh Jackson putting it right back in. He want to make sure everybody knows who my guy is. Darnold and the Jets. Now, I think Teddy Bridgewater, right now this second's better than Sam. Now, I also think Teddy Bridgewater is a tradable asset to repair that awful offensive line for the Jets. What do you do there? You got to go with Sam Darnel. I'm sorry.

You know what? Jet fans have been waiting for them, Messiah, for 40 years, walking around aimlessly. right, trying to get that guy. I've watched him so far. I like what I see. Is he perfect? Is he suitable for framing already? He's not there yet.

But how do you learn how to play football and quarterback in the NFL? You've got to play. You just got to play. And I think that they have a guy. He's going to be your guy for the next 10, 12, 14 years, whatever it is. Let the guy play. We saw Jared Gough, right? He got thrown in.

They weren't all the way ready, right? Yeah. Did it stump his growth? No, he went through some growing pains, and what did he do last year? As long as the... Losey doesn't get hurt, you know what I mean. Yeah, no, it's like anything else. It's like I don't paddle my kids, but I think if you did once, it doesn't.

If there's a difference between chronic abuse and being critical, you know, if you beat on your kids, not physically, but mentally, but mentally, for five years, you would wear them down. But that doesn't mean you can't have a meltdown as a parent in the kitchen one day and yell at him. And I think the one thing I'll say, I'm a believer that you could sit guys, but the one thing I will say is long as the bumps for Jared Goff are not multi-season. I mean, he didn't start game one. He started as the season went later. And he was terrible. And he was terrible.

And he got the, you know what, kicked out of him. But it was for like half a year. And then immediately they fire the coach. They get a new coach. So I will say that to your defense. If Donald's bumpy for a year, I think Bulls can coach. I like their offensive coordinator. Their defense, if they went out and got a Khalil Max, actually.

And you remember last year, Colin, they were supposed to win one or two games and actually played much better, right? They were five and 11. And there were a couple of games that were real close. And by the way, the teams they beat, you guys could check it out. I think they beat Atlanta. They beat, do they beat Jacksonville? Or they beat, they beat a play out.

They beat Kansas City, I think. Like they beat real teams and they should have beat in New England, but they got hosed. Right, with the bad call out, right? So Whitlock said this yesterday. He's like, they feel, you know, you can kind of, the Jets kind of feel like they, in that division, could be Buffalo from last year. I agree. I think they have a chance.

And then don't forget, Tom Brady and the Patriots are going the other way. So that could open up something too. Remember what I told you. What did you tell me? This is Tom Brady. Go look it up. He has the same numbers, exact numbers, as Brett Farb at age 40. They had Brett Forb had 33 touchdowns, Tom Brady had 32.

And the next year, Brett Farf fell off the table. I think he wound up with 13 touchdowns. And I think this is the beginning of the end for Tom Brady. Father Time is undefeated, Colin. He's 41. It doesn't happen gradually. It just happens one night you wake up, you don't make those passes the way that you did the year before. And I think there's a good chance that New England takes a step back.

They're trying to hold it together with tape and glue and they got all these injuries and the Belichick and the Brady stuff. I mean, there's enough there to tell me that there cracks in the armor and that this team could be on the way down. That sounds like what you hope happens. What? No. This is an NFL analysis right here. Hey, by the way, you got 30 seconds. What are you doing this weekend?

This weekend I'm working on the radio. I'm just filling in. Go to a baseball game? I usually go to baseball game, not this weekend. Yeah. How about that? Because usually I ask you what are you doing? And you're like, oh, I'm going to go to Seattle and go to baseball games.

I just came back from Vegas. I went for less than 24 hours. To do what? Had dinner with a couple of friends. This is your old stomping grounds. You know I've got to go to one of the casinos and have the buffet and throw some money around. And then I came back. All right, Doug Peterson around the corner.

Thank you, Rob. Hour three, it's The Herd. This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS2, our last. hour. Jamie Maggio is joining us and we've been talking a lot today about Baker Mayfield and the Browns because there's a lot of guesswork. We don't know how good they're going to be. We don't know how much Baker Mayfield's going to play. I have not spent a lot of time on Philadelphia because I know Philadelphia is going to be exceptional. They have in my opinion the best combination right now in the

NFL of offensive and defensive line play. Carson Wentz is without question. Looks like the next great quarterback in this league. And Doug Peterson, when he first got hired from Andy Reed, I didn't know. I said at the time, did he call plays there? Who's Doug Peterson? Well, he's proven me wrong. Two years, 20 and 12, Super Bowl win. And for one of the only times in the last decade, New England on more than one occasion

was perplexed and didn't have any answers for the team they faced in the Super Bowl. And with that, via the Coward Global Satellite Network, coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, Doug Peterson. So you're probably not happy last night, and I read your quotes this morning. You weren't happy with Nick Foles. But then you wake up this morning, Doug, and you watch the film. So as a consumer, I watch you. You don't have your running backs.

You didn't have several of them. A couple of defensive guys are out. You don't have like a left tackle Jason Peters. You don't have a wide receiver. I'm watching and I'm thinking, what do I give a rip? They're well coached. They'll be good. What am I supposed to take with that performance last night?

What do I take from it? You really don't take much from it, quite honestly. And, you know, my comments, too, after the game were not directed at Nick Foles. It was directed more at the offense. And, you know, part of our success was last year was not about one guy. It was about the entire team. So I just felt like our offensive performance in the first half. I mean, we had six possessions.

We had two interceptions, two fumbles. We had a sack safety. And then we had a turnover on downs. And, you know, that you just can't. that's unacceptable in the National Football League to have six possessions with that kind of result. So it's more about the offensive performance, but just like you alluded to in the beginning, we're without many of our starters on offense, and it's hard to get into any kind of a rhythm or, you know, to get our quarterback in any kind of rhythm.

The Rams don't want to play golf. They don't want to play Gurley. You know, Drew Breeze doesn't want to play. Big Ben doesn't want to play in the preseason. I don't love the preseason. I'd rather see the Eagles play seven joint practices. where your quarterbacks don't get hit. You played in this league.

In fact, you're one of only four people in league history who's been a Super Bowl, winners, a player, as a coach, Ditka's one of those guys. I think Tom Flores, Tony Dungee, this preseason, when you're sitting there and you're writing out your lineups, is there part of you, Doug,

that is thinking to yourself, I don't want to play this guy, it's preseason, I don't want to get him hurt. I mean, that has to go through your mind, doesn't it? Well, it does. Any coach in this league, It thinks about that, you know, in preseason. You don't want to get any of your starters banged up hurt where they either miss a practice, a game,

or possibly the start of the regular season. So, you know, it definitely crosses your mind. But at the same time, you're still trying to work timing. You're still trying to work execution, you know, and you're trying to see certain guys in certain situations. And it can be a little difficult at times to get that accomplished. Yeah. If you could have more joint practices in two or few preseason games, you could vote today.

You were the deciding vote. Would you vote for that? I would. I would. And being a former player, too, I think that the joint practices really bring out the best into competition. You really see what you have. We did it a year ago with the Miami Dolphins and Adam Gays and had two really good practices in Philadelphia. And then, of course, we played them that week.

But I think the league is leaning towards the joint practices. I really do. I don't like the fighting that's going on, though. That has to be addressed. But at the same time, I think you can get some quality work done against another opponent during training camp, because training camp is obviously long and still get some good work done for your starters. By the way, Nick Foles is certainly good enough to start for a handful of teams.

I don't believe he is Carson Wentz, who's maybe the best young quarterback, well, since Andrew Luck, I would say. And both Andrew and he, a little dinged up, both coming back to Sean Watson's obviously young and very. talented. But, you know, when you kind of look at a Nick Foles, he decided to stay in Philly. And a lot of people are like, well, why didn't he go make a bunch of money? Can you take me inside that? Because he's going to be, if he doesn't start, he's the best backup in the league. Well, and that's the thing is, you know, go back to 2012 when I was on Andy Reed staff,

and we drafted Nick Foles and brought him into Philadelphia. And then, of course, I leave and go to Kansas City, and now I have a chance to come back. And I have a chance. to bring Nick Foles back. And he wanted to come back and be apart and be sort of tied in with me again and be reunited with me again. And then after the season we had last year, there was really not a hard decision to make. Nick wanted to stay in Philadelphia. He felt comfortable in Philadelphia.

He understood his role. He knew he was a backup a year ago, possibly going to be a backup again this year. and he's comfortable in that role. So he's excited. Yeah, he could have probably gone and made a lot of money. But you know what? I think where he's at in his career right now, it'd have to be the right situation,

the right team in order for that to happen. And fortunately for us, I feel like we got one of the best quarterback rooms in the league. You did something during the Super Bowl. You know, there's been a handful of plays in Super Bowl history that are just iconic. I always think I'm old enough. I remember the Lynn Swan catch

against the Cowboys and Mark Washington. You know, it's slow mo and Bradshaw throws it down the field. And there are a handful of these. You did a play called the Philly Special. It's fourth. It's going into halftime. And it's one of the great plays of all time. I got to tell you, though, when you watch that,

and you go to the sidelines and Nick Folls says, Coach, let's run Philly Special. Was there part of you that thought, oh, yoy, if this thing doesn't go right, this is going to end up being on a blooper tape. somewhere. Colin, it never once crossed my mind that thought. When he, when he suggested the play, I didn't, I didn't bat an eye. I had so much confidence in what he suggested. I had so much confidence in the guys executing the play that I just looked up and locked eyes with him and said,

that's it. That's the play we're going with. And it was the right time. Great opportunity on, you know, on the one yard line, fourth and goal in the Super Bowl. And, you know, and Colin, I had no fear about calling the play. I trusted my players in executing that play, and obviously it worked to perfection. How many times you do that in practice? 10, 20, 30? I mean, when did you wrap it up? I mean, the conception of it.

Yeah, so go back. We played the Minnesota Vikings in the conference championship two weeks prior to the Super Bowl, and we actually put the play in that week. I was hoping to get it called in the Minnesota game and didn't get it called. but I can remember the first three times that we called it in practice. Trey Burton airmailed the ball over Nick's head. And Trey's a former high school quarterback. He's a baseball player at the University of Florida,

which is a tremendous athlete. And he airmailed the ball over Nick's head the first three times, and I'm thinking there's no way I can call this play. I have no confidence in this play. And we just kept working it and working it and working it, and then we kept it in for the Super Bowl. And, you know, again, Yeah, it just worked.

It worked to perfection. God, that's incredible. So when you, you know, I'm watching all these young quarterbacks. And I've said before, when you give me a number one or a number two pick a quarterback, nothing against the Mazda, but I want a Maserati. I want a Cam. I want a luck. I want a Wentz.

Go back to Carson Wentz because you get the job and you guys, there was a little chaos and then you take over the organization and you're riding the ship and you guys get Carson Wentz. Was there a moment for you, coach? A practice, a moment, a tape, a drive home, when you just knew, oh, God, this kid's special. There was a moment in training camp that year, our first year, where he alluded to rush and did one of his sort of that Washington, remember the clip of the Washington Redskins last year opening day? He made that, he made that amazing scramble where he kind of duck and spun out. Well, he did one of those type of moves in training camp his first year as a rookie.

and completed the ball down the field. And at that point, you're just kind of going, this kid's got something to him. He's going to be a special kid in this league, of special talents and a mighty fine quarterback. And, of course, he was young then, and he continued to grow, and he got so much better last year,

and he's continuing to grow and getting stronger. And, you know, sky's the limit with this guy. And I'm just so excited that we were able to pick him as my first quarterback in my first draft two years ago. By the way, your buddy Andy Reid doesn't have a Super Bowl. You've been coaching for an hour and a half and you got a Super Bowl. And I know Andy loves you and has so much respect and called the owner of the Eagles and said, hire this guy. And it's not that long ago you were playing.

And you got a new book out called Fearless. So I said this yesterday on the show and I was kind of poking at you. And everybody at Fox defended you. And I said, listen. I said, Doug Peterson's, yeah, he's just a kid. He's just got out of playing. He's got a book out, and Philadelphia is talking a bunch. And I blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, man, they're making a lot of noise. Do you worry that these teams, they don't go back to back to the Super Bowl. People can get lazy. People, you know, do you worry, Doug, of all the spotlight and all the parades? And now everybody's talking about the Eagles. How do you make sure you're totally focused and you feel like an underdog at camp? Well, you know, the biggest thing for me is exactly that, the underdog mentality. And I think one of the things that I've got, I've got two things going for me that really helped me keep this team grounded and rooted.

And one is I've got about five or six players on my team right now that are coming off of injury. I got Jason Peters, Darren Sprouls, Chris Marigos, Jordan Hicks, I got Carson Wentz. I got these guys coming off of injury that were starters for us a year ago that missed out on that game. They're coming back with a hunger, with a drive, with a motivation to try to get the Eagles back to that game again this year. And it keeps the team, keeps the team grounded. The second thing that I feel I've got going for me is I went into back-to-back Super Bowls as a player in Green Bay. You know, we beat the Patriots in Super Bowl 31 and then went back again in Super Bowl 32 as the favorites against the Denver Broncos. And I remember we lost that Super Bowl and I remember so many things about that game.

and really the events leading up to that game. And, you know, the things that, you know, you feel a little bit of confident, a little bit full of yourself, you kind of read your press clippings a little bit. Sure. And I just sort of said, hey, this year, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to allow myself to do that. I'm not going to allow this team to do that. And I saw it during OTAs, Colin, where we had everybody but two players

at attending every one of our OTA practices. The only two were Michael Bennett and Darren. Sproles, two veteran players that, you know what, they've played a lot of football in this league. They're Pro Bowl players. I get it. If they don't want to be there, that's fine. Everybody else was there, the Fletcher Cox, you know, Malcolm Jenkins, all these guys were there and working. And so that was a real indicator for me that this team is humble, they're hungry, and they're

ready to defend the championship this season. His book is called Fearless. There's the picture of it, how an underdog becomes a champion. Well, good luck to you. It is between you and Howie and Carson Wentz. This is a leadership league. You got it rolling. You've got some veteran players coming back, Doug.

I love that you took 15 minutes for our show today. Thank you so much. Colin, thank you so much for having me on. The book is fearless, how an underdog becomes a champion. You know, I'm watching that Philly Special play. And, God, I mean, that's how it, seriously, the throw was perfect. That handoff was perfect. The fact that in practice he had concerns,

and then in the moment of crisis, they run it perfect. The throw is perfect. Yeah, the Saints onside kick. Now, that was crazy. Yeah, no, I mean, the problem with trick plays, now remember, this is a fourth down. If you sail it over his head in a second,

nobody remembers that play if you score. But if you sail that puppy over his head on a fourth, And that's Doug's first Super Bowl as a coach. God. And then the Patriots were just lost. They didn't have anybody out there in that space. That is amazing. I'm all for good sportsmanship.

Big fans of Hyundai's new Shopper Assurance program, transparent pricing, flexible test drive, streamlined purchase. Learn more, HyundaiUSA.com slash shopper assurance. Jamie Maggio's been joining me. We've had Tim Couch, Lanceurline, Rob Parker, Doug Peterson. I saw it's a little college football. We're eight days away from college. ball starting. And one of the really encouraging things for me, in my business, once something

becomes regional, I don't talk about it. If you're a local talk show host, you can just talk about stuff in your town or your state or like even your region. But once you become regional, for me, I can't talk about you because it's baseball regular season. I don't talk baseball's regular season because nobody in Boston watches the Padres and nobody in Houston's watching the twins. In the NFL and the NBA and major college football, there's national relevance. And college football is getting very, very, very southern. Clemson and Alabama don't resonate west of Chicago. Alabama's known out west, but nobody out here really cares.

So I have no problem with Alabama and Clemson being great. But college football, a sport I dearly love, is better when USC's great and a Big Ten team is great, and a Northeast team is great, and Notre Dame's great, then Alabama, Miami. Give me a bunch of different regions, therefore I'm allowed to talk about. It's very simple. I see all the data. Once you go regional, I'm out.

And I think it's very encouraging because of some outstanding hires by northern teams in college football. Eight of the top 15 teams in the first rankings, eight of the top 15 are northern teams. Ohio State 3, Washington 6, Wisconsin 7, Penn State 9, Notre Dame 11, Michigan State 12, Stanford's in the Pack 12, North, 13th, and Michigan. I think Michigan's rated a little low 14th than USC's 15th, but they don't count as a northern team USC. But that's eight northern teams of 15 over half, and that matters. And I think, don't get me wrong, there are more great high school football players in Florida, Georgia, Texas, L.A.

in warmer climates. I totally get that. But for the North to be relevant, they have to have better coaching. Right now, the SEC's got mostly crap coaching. But they've got so many great athletes. You don't need great coaching in the South to win 10 games because of the athletes.

When you do get great coaching in the South, like Dabo or Nick, then you're unstoppable. I don't mind Alabama being in the tournament every year. I don't have a problem with that. But they've got to get, you've got to have, they've got to have some pushback. They've got to be threatened. And you're seeing these northern teams, Jim Harbaugh, David Shaw, James Franklin, Chris Peterson, Urban Meyer, Paul Chris.

These are really, really, really good coaches. So the Big Ten needs superior coaches to compete with the SEC's better athletes. And it makes me happy. I love this sport. And I see the Big Ten was just unwatchable for about a decade after the Woody and bow years. It just, they got cheap. They didn't have the Big Ten network. They didn't have the facilities. They weren't cheap on coaches. They wouldn't retain the good assistance and recruiters. But in the last four or five years, they have spent big money on Harbaugh and big money on

Urban. And Scott Frost is going to make big money in Nebraska. And it's like, okay, now the Big Ten's back. You know, segueing into the Urban Meyer stuff, you know, one of the things I just don't have any interest in doing is I've done. this for years and years. There are sports I talk more about now than I used to. There's sports, baseball. I talk less about now than I used to. I wish I could talk more college basketball because I do really like it, especially in March. But I can't talk it as much because the NBA's just engulfed it. And, you know, there's so many one and duns. Nobody knows who the players are. It bums me out because I love watching the tournament. And I like watching, you know,

if Duke's on or Kentucky's on or Carolina or Kansas and Gonzaga, I'm a lot. I'm not. I'm I'm in. You know, February and March, I'm in. And, but one of the things I've stopped doing is I no longer have any interest taking calls or debating college fans about their sleazy coaches. Is that one of the things I like about pro fans is that if you live in a pro town, you usually have multiple teams. And so your life doesn't revolve around 18-year-olds. But for college fans, you know, there are. often from small towns. That university is the centerpiece of the town, and people just have no self-awareness or no sense of how myopic they are. And to watch Ohio State fans with Urban

Meyer and defend him, there's a reason they investigated him, and there's a reason they suspended him. It's not because he was being truthful the entire time. There's a reason Rick Petino got fired and Art Bryles got fired, and it's not because the big bad media chased him out. Urban got suspended because Urban wasn't honest with everybody. And I don't think Ohio State fans are worse. I'm seeing a lot of people in the media. Oh, Ohio State fans are the worst. No, they're not.

They're college fans. Ohio State fans aren't worse than Baylor. They're not worse than Louisville. They're not worse than Penn State. They're the same. They're all the same. Because when you grow up in smaller towns that one or two things mean more. And when you grow up in bigger cities, you have, in L.A., I got two NBA.

to NFL, two Major League Baseball, 31 music venues, a beach, mountain, shopping, to everything. I got the Getty Museum, 10 minutes from my house. I got Malibu, 30 minutes from my house. You got mountains. But when you grow up in a smaller community, the college is everything. And I don't think Ohio State fans are worse than Baylor fans or Penn State fans are the same. Ohio State rules the town, and people just sell their soul to defend, obviously, unethical behavior.

And lost in all the Ohio State stuff, I don't know anything about Courtney Smith or Zach Smith. It was obviously a really bad relationship. Both of them sound like they've got major issues. I tend to always defend the woman in that situation

because physically men have a history of violence against women they are in bad relationships with. So I'm always going to defend the woman. But, you know, you heard multiple stories about 50 times she called 9-1 and several times he wasn't in town. So I don't know what the hell happened.

I'm not an investigative reporter. But I wouldn't say Ohio State fans are worse than anybody. They are college fans. And as I've been doing this for so many years, I'm just over debating with college fans. I'm just, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it on Twitter. I'm not going to do it on Facebook.

I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to take calls. Louisville had a brothel 15 feet from Rick Matino's office. He didn't know. Yeah, some rogue assistant just ran a brothel, the bunny ranch, down the road from his office, and nobody gave him a heads up for 10 years. You want me as college fans to believe the unbelievable. That Urban Meyer's wife had a text, and they just never talked about this thing.

Nah, not interested. You lost me. But you didn't lose me Ohio State. It was a combination of Rick Bettino in Louisville and Ohio State and Joe Paa's people. I mean, Penn State wants me to believe. in a tiny small town where the coaches vacation together, where there's two good restaurants, and they had the same coaching staff for 20 years,

that one of the coaches saw an incident with Jerry Sandusky and nobody talked about it. Really? Nobody went to Joe Paw and said, yeah, we got a creepy guy, we got to get him out of the pro. Never in 20 years. You know how rumors spread? I work in the media.

You can't keep a secret down the hall for five minutes. 20 years in a small town, they kept secrets? Nope. College fans want me to believe the unbelievable. and I have no interest debating it. I don't think Ohio State's worse than anybody else. It's just why I have just pulled myself away from that argument. There's a lot of good arguments in sports.

There's a lot of good fun arguments in sports. But me and you arguing over your college coach, I'm Seacrest out. I'll no longer engage. I'm not taking calls. I'm not arguing with you. You come up on the street, calling what do you think about it? And I always say, I don't know. And I walk into Ralph's and shop.

and just avoid you. Jamie with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, get excited because it is MLS-Hineken rivalry week, Colin. And now we've got two get matches on FS1 this Sunday, the New York Red Bulls facing DC United,

followed by the Portland Timbers and Seattle Sounders. That'll be a good one. Yep. But L.A.F.C., your buddy Tom Penn's team, is going to face the L.A. Galaxy tonight. And that was really an interesting. instant rivalry, not just because they're both here in town, but the two times that they face each other earlier this season have been really, really close.

Yeah, and the end. The crowds have been insane. Yes. So that's going to be going off tonight. A loss for the Galaxy is pretty much going to crush their playoff hopes. And if the LASC, by the way, they're in a good position here to become just the fourth MLS club to reach the playoffs in their inaugural season. Yes.

As an expansion team. Yeah, they're actually having a great year. I just talked to Tommy Penn the other days, all fired up. about it. I'll tell you something that's amazing about that league. And I said this years ago, I tried to invest in it when you could buy a team for $35 million.

I tried to be an investor. Now they cost like $150 million. That's what they're worth. So it's way out of my ballpark. But I was talking to it. One of the things LASC did, I think is brilliant. And a lot of teams are doing this now. I was watching the New England Revolution.

Their crowd was doing this. So Lafc took 20 or 30 of their fans, and they flew them to Germany to sit in the stadiums and watch a couple of these fan bases, these tribal fan bases, and the smoke

bombs and all the stuff they're doing. And they flew all these fans over there, and they just put them in Germany, and they said, watch the songs and the passion. And so I went to the first LAAFC game, I was Eastern Dicket, or they came back, and it's really cool in these LAAFC, their stadium, you go to the games,

and I'm not kidding you, it feels European. And their people are standing and chanting. It's a remarkable scene. It feels, it really feels like you're watching European EPL or Bundesliga and soccer. I love it. I just talked to Tom the Air Day. I'm like, what a success.

That was such a brilliant idea that, hey, we want to bring, we have some European players. We want to bring some of Europe's passion to this fan base. And theatrics over to our stadiums. And it is fantastic. It sticks with you. I went to that opener too at LAFC. And what a beautiful stadium that is. but it sticks with you for days that chant.

If you've never gone to one of these MLS games, and the other thing that league's done is really smart. Are you going tonight? No, no, that's Galaxy. Oh, okay. So I'm an L-AFC season ticket holder, so I had to make a choice. Okay. I have to be loyal to my team.

You do. You do. My kids go to Galaxy. Speaking of loyalty to their teams, Kobe Bryant, speaking about the Lakers roster, and Free Agency, LeBron signs with the Lakers. Everyone's like, yeah, they got the best. player in the league. But then of course they added guys like Lance Stevenson, Jebel

McGee, Rajan Rondo. And then people thought, well, what are the Lakers doing adding these guys? Kobe Bryant recently gave an interview and said that there is merit in doing things a little differently. Here's Kobe. I think they're building a team smartly. They're building strong, physical players that play the game with pace. They have basketball players. What I mean by that is they don't have players that are one-dimensional. They have players that can handle the ball, shoot the ball, pass the ball, defend the ball. So when you're building a team with that kind of versatility and physicality, that's something that can challenge Golden State.

Because you can't beat Golden State by playing Golden State style. It's just not going to happen. Teams have tried and it's not going to happen. This is a classic example. When a team becomes a dynasty, there's usually something they do exceptionally well. You're not going to out shoot Golden State. Like Houston said, we're going to try to out shoot you. You can, don't get me wrong, Houston Coen won a lot of games that way, but they'll never outshute this group of guys.

They're just not going to do it. Now, that's kind of Houston's game plan. I think Houston going to a lot of games, but I don't think they're going to overtime out-shute it. Generally speaking, to beat it dynasty, you don't surpass them, you don't surpass them in what they do well. You find their weakness and attack it. If you look at the history of dynasties, what the Lakers kind of feel like is we can get really physical guys to take them off their spots. and take them out of their rhythm. We have to be able to shoot threes to a certain quality.

But if you're thinking you can out shoot the Warriors, this is the best shooting team in the history of the sport, and in most nights, easily. Colin, I just want to warn you in this last one in case you were thinking about streaking at a Browns game this season. Don't do it. Save the rowdiness for those L-AFC Ho games. Some security footage that we have of the security team.

It's actually not security footage. It comes from a Philadelphia writer. This is the Brown's security team chasing after a guy. This is a drill. This isn't real. This is a drill. In case someone runs on the field, you tackle him like this. Take him down.

Hold him down. Make sure he is secured. The players are safe. And then he celebrate. You get to do a celebration dance. That looks like Joel Clatt. Is that Joe Clatt? Maybe it is.

It looks like Joel Clat running from people. But the irony in this to me is that the video here was taken from John Clark, from NBC Philly. And if any fans need to be, you know, game planned for getting rowdy, isn't it the Philadelphia fan base? They're notorious for doing things like this. I've never understood. Goulet, have you ever gone to a game and just been six beers in and consider doing that? No.

It's going to take a lot more than six. And no, I ran on the field once, but it was like after the game when the crowd ran onto the field. I've done that once too. Yeah. And it was stupid, by the way. And other than that, no, I've never, there's no amount of bud light that's going to get me to just run onto the field and get tackled. I did it in college.

I did it in college for a University of Washington football game. Go to the Rose Bowl game. Was it fun? Why would you say it's stupid? I actually did it because the crowd behind me was getting on the field, and I'm like, you know what? I'm better to move with the mob than try to stay here and get run over. So I kind of just did it and peeled off, but I'm not a big run on the field.

I've never booted a game. I've never gone to a sporting event and gone. I'm kind of shocked you ran on the field. It doesn't seem like you. It must have been a young car. It wasn't necessarily a choice. It was, oh, here comes everybody. I was by the student section.

And I'm like, I'm going to get on the field and get out of this mob. But it was okay. Once we got on the field, it was fun. I mean, it was a million people and it was, but I'm not. I'm not. And when I go to games, you don't boo? You've never booed at the game. My lips have never done this.

Boo! I don't, that's never. Have you booed at the game? Can we do that again and get a close-up? Boo! I don't boo. Because I booed at games. You go to a you boo?

If I'm not wearing a media credential and I have purchased a ticket and I'm there as a fan. You boo? Yeah. Yeah. I will say this. Once or twice in my life, I've been close enough to the court where I've talked to a player. Like if a player kind of knows who I, you know, I've been doing this for 30 years. Players.

Like a Spike Lee Reggie Miller thing? Like if Chris Paul was on the court and he came by me, he would know who I am. Are you talking trash? Are you saying hello? I would say something funny. I would say, you know, I don't know what I'd say. But I would say some, can I tell you a story a few years ago? So I go to a clipper game and I'm sitting in the front row, like court side.

And there's a guy, there's a guy named Haas for the Clippers. He was a big, he played. Spencer Hawes. And Spencer Haas comes down the court and he looks at me. And he says, like Westport. And he grabs a ball and a corner, shoots three and hits it. and then he comes down and I'm like, that's my hometown. Is he a UW guy?

Yeah. And so he says a couple other things and he's like, Ocean Shores or something. He comes down and shoots at three. And so later I found out that when he was from Seattle, and when he was a kid, his parents would take him down to my hometown, which is a fishing village.

And like he and I had been in the same area, a bunch of stuff. He was talking to me during the game. And I was like, but I couldn't, the coding. I couldn't figure it out. So, yeah, occasionally if I see a player or something, I'll say something. You make eye contact and they can kind of, by the way, don't kid yourself, NBA players know absolutely who's at the game. You think you don't know?

Like if Chris Paul once had said something to somebody, he's like, what's coward doing here? These guys know. Who's sitting around? Oh, God, yeah. If you're an actor or a media person, they're checking you out. Those guys know who's sitting. I mean, if you played something for a living and people sat or. around a table watching you over the course of three and a half hours.

You would know, oh, God, that's the actress, that's the writer, there's the mayor, there's the, you know, that's the way it is. Did you think he was taunting you at first? No, I couldn't figure it out because I'm like, I didn't have a program. I'm like, okay, there's some coding here. Something's happening to me. Jamie with the news. Well, that's the news.

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Doug Peterson was great. Rob Parker, Lanzerline, Tim Couch. I did think yesterday, I'm watching last night, I'm watching Philadelphia play. And, you know, I just don't get what that worked up. Three of their running backs were out, maybe four. They don't have two defensive starters up front. They didn't have their left tackle. They didn't have Alshan Jeffrey.

They didn't have any players. So I didn't take much of Nick Fools being awful. I mean, they didn't have, you know, the MVP quarterback like Carson Wentz. And Nick Foles was not very good, but Nick Foles has always been hot and cold. He's inconsistent. That's why he's not great. Chris Carter on first things first kind of summed up what Nick Foles is. That's why Nick Foles is not a starter because he's not consistent.

Back up quarterbacks, they're not as consistent. They don't throw the ball as much. They don't make as good at decisions. They will turn the ball over. They are prone to interceptance in the, bundles. That's who Nick Foles is. Yeah. So I mean, you know, people get, I said this before. People don't understand how great Kobe Bryant is, how great the great ones are.

Kobe Bryant was double teamed, game planned against for 15 years. He still average 28. I mean, do you understand how amazing that is? The entire focus of NBA teams defending the Lakers for a decade and a half was Stop Kobe and nobody could. Okay, so if you score 28 and you're wide open because nobody's guarding you, big whoop. It doesn't mean anything. Nobody's game planning against Channing Fry at this point in his career. That doesn't mean he can't drop 24.

But if you game planned against him, he'd score two, four. So, I mean, Nick Foles, the difference between great and good is consistency. And Nick Foles is inconsistent. That's why he can be good. but he can have a great moment. Good people have great moments. I said this. Roger Maris hit 61 home runs.

That stood forever until the steroids came into the sport. Roger Maris was a 260 hitter. Roger Maris was never, ever a 300 hitter in any one season. He had a great year. Tim Tebow won six straight games. He's not even an NFL quarterback. You can get breaks. You can get hot.

You can have the right circumstances, the right schedule. Adam Kennedy was hit three home runs. runs in an American League championship game. His top season was 13. He was named an MVP of a series. Adam Kennedy. Good enough to make the bigs, but not a great hitter. He had a great series.

Carlos Beltran was a really good player who had a remarkable series, and it got him a huge contract with the New York Mets. Good players can have great. Nick Foles had a great Super Bowl. Not a great player. We're all for good sportsmanship. That's why I'm a huge fan of Hyundai's new Shopper Assurance program. Transparent.

pricing, flexible test drive, streamlined purchases, HyundaiUSA.com slash shopper assurance. Let's do best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. So everybody's talking about these rookie quarterbacks. I went back to look at the quarterbacks who had the most success in their rookie season.

So I thought, you know, 18 years, let's make this simple for the audience. Since 2018 years, all those quarterbacks drafted, only. nine quarterbacks have led their team to a playoff in 18 years. So about every other year, a rookie quarterback will lead their team to a playoff. Now, what do those nine quarterbacks have in common? Do they come from big schools? Are they all right-handed? Are they all?

No. All of them spent four years in college. Now, Mark Sanchez only started for a little more than a year, but he redshirted and sat behind whoever the starter was at USC. Dak Prescott, Andrew Luck, R.G.3, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Ben Rothesberger. All spent four plus years in college. Now let's look at all the rookie quarterbacks this year. Lamar Jackson, three years in college. Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, three years in college. Sam Darnold, three years in college.

Baker Mayfield is the only quarterback who qualifies. since 2000 that could get his team to the playoffs, and he's probably not going to get a chance to start early in the season. So the conclusion of this quarterback class is exciting. Don't expect these guys to be leading their teams to the playoffs. So we had Tim Couch. It is funny if you, you know, all these Brown fans, they rush to Twitter. Look at Baker Mayfield.

He completed this, a slot pass, a slant pass. Dude, he's a number one pick. You got to give me wow. You know, again, if you spend $85,000 on a car, you're going to brag about the cup holder? Power steering? No, no. You spend $85,000 on a car.

You should be able to touch that keyfab in the kitchen making coffee. It starts your car. It warms it up. It turns on Sirius XM. So when you get into it in the winter, it's toasty warm and ready to go. You should have front and back sensors, cameras everywhere. You spend 80, a number one pick is an $85,000 car.

You got to give me more than just, hey, he can run around and complete some passes. I can get that in the third round. I can get that with a 28th pick in the first round. You know, it's like a hotel room. You're going to pay $1,200 for a hotel room. I've done that before, but I want a view. Give me the ocean. Give me a jacuzzi on a balcony.

Give me a view of Central Park in New York. you can't say, well, we got free HBO. I'm not paying $1,200 for HBO. Okay, so that's my thing about Baker Mayfield. I'm not doubting he's going to have some success. Cleveland's actually been so bad for so long. They've actually got some players. Miles Garrett, that pass rusher, he's pretty good.

Jarvis Landry, you're pretty good. Rookie Nick Chubb, he's pretty good. They spent some money on that all line. They've got some players. I mean, they're not terrible. That's not the worst roster in the NFL. The Jets have a worse roster today than Cleveland. Now, the Jets have a better organization.

The Jets have six out of the last 10 years. They've had a 500 or better record. The Browns over the last 10 years, zero times have been 500 or better. So I would rather be Sam Darnold going as the number three pick without the pressure to a better organization than be Baker-Mayfield having the pressure of the number one pick in a dysfunctional organization. Over the last decade, the Jets are 75 and 85. They've been in the playoffs twice. They're not terrible. They're not.

The Browns are 38 and 122 with no playoffs, no 500 seasons. So I would always rather, always prefer a better organization when I walk through the door with less current talent than being Baker, which is more current talent, but organizationally major issues. Now, Tim Couch does some Cleveland Browns preseason stuff, number one pick 1999 for Cleveland. He likes what he sees with Baker Mayfield. He has a tremendous skill set. He's got a big arm, a stronger arm than you think he does.

When you see it in person, it shocks you a little bit because you don't think he can spin it that much, but he really can. With John Dorsey coming in as a new general manager, I think that he's putting the pieces in place for Baker to have success. And to me, having success as a quarterback in the NFL is all about who's around. Do you have playmakers around you? You know, you got Josh Gordon coming back now. You've got Jarvis Landry who led the NFL in receptions last year. You've got a good group of young receivers that can contribute. You've got a good running game with Carlos Hyde and Nick Chubb and Duke Johnson.

And you have one of the highest paid offensive lines in the NFL. So the pieces are in place for Baker to have success. I think the pieces are in place for Tyrod or Baker to have some success. I really actually think, you know, there's worse rosters in the league. I'll just say that. There are, Arizona's roster is not that good. The Jets roster right now, not that good. Shannon Sharps on the show Monday, Mark Schlerich, Jamie has been great.

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