The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of Club Shay Shay with Marshawn Lynch, Tommy Davidson, Bruce Bruce and Rich Paul

Episode Date: October 28, 2023

This special episode recaps some of the best moments from Club Shay Shay during the month of October.0:00-15:13 - Marshawn Lynch Talks Russell Wilson's Super Bowl Interception & Laughing in Pete Carroll's Face15:13-31:45 - Tommy Davidson On Almost Getting Beat Up by Will Smith Over Jada, How Being Raised by White People Affected the Way He Sees Things and Jennifer Lopez Dissing Him31:44-43:22 - Bruce Bruce Talks Jada Pinkett Smith Not Loving Will Smith, Being a Stripper, Steve Harvey Changing His Life And Being Nervous On Set Of The Wash With Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg43:22-54:24 - Rich Paul Compares His Basketball Shot to Steph Curry & Klay Thompson, Talks Struggle of Coming Up as a Sports Agent and the Disrespect LeBron Receives For Not Having Kobe's Mamba Mentality#Volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled of conversations with athletes,

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and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today is a Super Bowl champ. He's a five-time pro-bola. He's a two-time NFL Russian touchdown leader, a two-time pro-bo player. He's a member of the 2010 all-decade 10 team.

He's an entrepreneur, entertainment, superstar, TV personality, actor, national treasure. He's here just so he doesn't get fined. Beast Mode, Marshal Lynn. Marshawn, we got to talk about. Super Bowl 49. Oh, shit.

Oh, you're getting right. Russ come on there and one knee. Can Russell get down on one knee when he in the huddle. And you hear the play. Because you're on the one, you're on the one your line, Marshaal. You're on the one yard line. Russ in the huddle. And he's calling out of the play.

What's going through your mind? Shit, I, to be honest, I look at nine of the other guys, and they look at me like, what the fuck just happened? And I mean, you know, at the time... Even as he's calling to play in the huddle, because they were... Look, you got one yard.

We got the man that... We got... We got Bismo. We got 225-35-pound sledgehammer. What's handing? And we got a time-out. So if we don't get it... What's handing?

If we don't get it on this first, second down, we're going to get it on third, we're going to get it on four. We're going to get this ball in there. But B's got to touch it. B's got a habit. What's it, man. The look on all my teammates face in the huddle, you know, it spoke values.

And, I mean, you know, processing the shit, if you go back and you look at the play, I actually lined it because I'm, shit, I'm processing. I'm lining up on the wrong side. I line up on the wrong side, man. Rousse has got to tell you, I'm bouncing from back and forth behind. like, oh shit. And by the time it sat in, like, motherfucker, what did you just call? You just hear all the cheering from the other sideline.

Like, what the fuck? So you didn't know what? You didn't know Malcolm Butler had picked the ball off. Man. Because they sent me on a flat. Yeah. Yeah. You feel me?

I'm running out there like, shit, well, at least you're going to hit me in the flat. Yeah, yeah. And I get my head around. He ain't tackling you one-on-one. What the fuck going? Like, what's it? I don't see no ball coming on. All right.

And see the motherfuckers jumping up and down and cheering like, oh, shit. He did throw a pick. And at that time, you know, there was a lot of shit going on. Yeah, I mean. So, as you walking up the field? Oh, man. Defense is coming on the field. God.

So was the inner interaction? Did anybody say anything? Did the defense say, man, what the elf was that? Who called that bulljad? We look back at it. You see everybody, you know, they show the reaction. Yeah. I mean, you see the reaction, Sharm, Earl, Bruce, I mean, the D-line, all the.

You see the reaction from everybody. And then as I'm going back to the sideline, you know, I go by Russ and I just hear him like oh man I'll get him next time whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa and as I'm here

as I hear the shit I don't really I usually don't take my hammer off but I take my helmet off and I go right to Pete Carroll's face and I'm talking about I hit his ass with the biggest you laughed in his face

and at that point shit I'm up how much shit I go to the locker room I'm out Hold on Hold on Hold on Beasbow

See all the shit Going on I don't see None of this shit I don't see The last Few plays Where they get

The scuffling And they're pushing And they're shoving You was already gone I'm in the fucking You're in the locker room I'm in the locker room

So by the time They come to the locker room You probably already dread It was Arizona I think I ran in the In the Many Kravics It threw the

Oh shit You Hey what's up man Look You're like, don't you got a game? Oh, yeah, that shit over. You know, hey. Call my mama and call the family.

Hey, come on. We back to the spot. All right. Go in there, get dressed. Go shower, get dressed. And as I'm coming out, now you see everybody else coming in. I mean, I holl that you.

I'll let you all when you get back to the ball. Why? Why didn't they give you that ball? Why did Darrell Bebble call a pass play? Why did Pete Carroll not overrule him? What happened? Did they not want you to get that MVP? Man, I have no idea.

And from the understanding I got is nobody taking accountability for neither one of them. They put it off on each other. So I don't know. I don't know what the fuck they are going on. Hold on. Russ put it off on Pete. Pete put it off on Russ or was it coordinator of the head coach? No, coordinator and head coach.

They pass it back to each other from, from, that's when they're talking to me. So I don't know how I play. But at the end of the day, yeah, that shit was, you know, that shit was painful. Because you got to think, like, no matter what, in any sport you play, what you do, especially not. Running back saying, okay, you, you, when you're a little jit, you set up, you know, a pillow here, pillow here, chair here. I mean, maybe a lamp post here, like, oh, okay. and then you start going. It's the end of the game.

One more play. The quarterback handing the ball off the Marchion. He jumping in his own touchdown. Oh, the Oakland Raiders win the Super Bowl because I'm a Redder fan from Oakland, California. You put it together. You put that play together so many times. You play that.

You play that so many times. So not only did they take a, you know, a ring. They took a moment away from you. They took a dream. I mean, like I say, that's once in a lifetime situation. Have you gotten over it? To be honest with you, now that, you know, we at 10 years, we had a 10-year reunion for the Super Bowl and just thinking like, damn, we could have been doing this again next

you. Next year. And there's no telling like, you know, you took a dream away, you took a moment away, you You arguably take a dynasty away. You take a dynasty away. I mean, because then you, you know, you in position that, hey, we went two Super Bowls. Maybe I don't want to be the highest paid corner or the highest paid safety or the highest paid receiver. No, spread that cheese through the whole team so we can bring everybody back and we could go try to do three.

Maybe four. Let's see what we could get out of it. So, I mean, you know, not only do you, you take away all that shit, But, you know, you put us in the history books as a dumbest call in football history. And then, I mean, you know, for my situation on the other end of it, you know what I mean? It's going to be an everlasting question that I'm going to get it. Why they are getting you the ball. Is that the question that you get asked the most?

When people meet Marshawn Lynch and everybody knows who you are, is that the first question out of, they're like, hey, how you doing, Marshaun? Man, why they didn't give you that ball? Hell no. It ain't know. Hey, Marshawn, how you doing this? Hey, why the fuck they didn't eat the ball? Hey, you're Marshawn Lynch. You look just like Marshawn Lynch. Like, no, I ain't Marshawn Lynch. Oh, my bad. I didn't mean to ask you that. I thought you was Marshawn.

Because I was going to say, man, if you was Marshawn, why the fuck they didn't give you the ball? No, I'm Marshaun. Man, why the fuck they didn't give you the ball? Oh, shit. Fuck, I don't know, man. Shit. I wish I did know. I wish, like, I wish I could get,

you know, the truthful answer behind. that. But is there any answer he could give you now to satisfy you? I mean, at this point, I wouldn't know. Now that it's been so much time in between, it probably wouldn't even matter. Because, you know, I've heard all the concerns. Everybody says, well, they didn't want Beasmole to be the MVP. Pete wanted it to be Russ, or the NFL wanted it to be Russ.

I heard that. Whatever the case may be. But it doesn't make sense. I mean, I played the game for a long time. It doesn't make sense to me. I got 235 pounds sledgehammer back there and I'm going to throw a pass on the one yard line. Yeah, it just don't make sense. You almost scored on the play before.

You read it down to the one. You damn right. You know what I mean? So I, realistically like, man, when I think about it, I'm in a position of where, you feel me, I don't get, you know, upset or frustrated with it. But more so curious, like, you know, because then you know, you got all the possibility. Did they not want you to be the Super Bowl MVP? Because if you're a Super Bowl MVP,

then you're the face of the NFL. They don't want that to be the case or whatever. But at that... And when they have special occasions, they bring all Super Bowl winners back and they're out there, let me ask you this. How long did it take you to get over,

not getting the ball? You know what? Realistically, it was immediately. Because the thing is, if you go and ask anybody that ever play with me, they'll tell you, like, he really, like, play for the team type shit. Right.

So it was a part of me who wanted to be selfish, like, give me the ball type shit. But at the end of the day, knowing the work that all these individuals put in, I mean, if Locke catch that ball, that's my niggas. So you feel me? Right.

I'm happy for him. But in the grand scheme of just football, that shit don't make no sense. Right. But as far as, you know what I mean, Because I'll never come and intentionally be no hater towards nobody, but just certain shit makes sense and certain shit don't. That just don't make no sense.

It's not a good football. It's not a football decision. It's not a good football IQ on now that I'm thinking about it. It's not. Was that the play that ended the Seattle Seahawks? Most definitely. And they suffer in it from steel to this day. I had a podcast at the time called Mildenoff,

and I went on the next, I went on that Monday, and I said, they'll never be the same. I said they won't look at Pete the same. I said they realize what, because a lot of teams win one in a row. To be special, you went back to back Super Bowl because they've been so few that have done it. I said, they will never believe in Pete

the same way again. And it's like, you know what I mean? Like when a dope thing get that, first high, they're going to chase that. You chase that. You search for that. Chasing the drag. Chase that motherfucker. And now you've got a situation where, I believe, where you look at it, like, that

motherfucker is almost like he's trying to chase and rebuild that team that he had rather than moving forward and letting the guys that he got be the guys. Yeah, you're not going to do that. You're not going to get a shirm. I mean, you got a shirm, you got a rookie shirm and the Earl Thomas and a Cam Chancellor. and you know you got Bwags and you got KJ and you got Bennett and you got April and you got Red.

I bet, bro, you're not going to recreate that. You're not. But as long as you're chasing that and you're not building these individuals to be the greatest player that they can be, you're going to keep on, you know, repeating history. Because he got some guys who I believe can play. Right.

But if you got in your mind that you want your God to be, a Michael Bennett or you got your guy, you want him to be a Marshaun or like, no, you can't do that. But the thing is, if you're going and growing that guy to be the best, him, then it probably give yourself a better chance. You feel me? Because they got some dudes over there who I really, you know what I mean? You get that one.

I like, you know, I mean? But as long as in their mindset, they're trying to get him to beat a goddamn 2013 Seahawks. What was your relationship with Pete like? And the inner similarities between John Gruden and Pete Carroll. But what was your relationship like with Pete? My relationship with Pete was interesting. I just like, I used to say, you feel? Because, I mean, the thing is, like, I like Pete as a coach

because he gets motherfuckers ready to go. Yeah. That's the truth. Yeah. You feel me? And he the same way every day. But there was just. certain things about Pete.

Like, you know, I mean, he was, like, really, uh, yeah, and I, I mean, like, for me, I don't, I don't need that. Right. To get going. That's what I said. He's like a high school code. On Sunday. Yeah.

We play Sunday, right? Oh, we got a two. We got Thursday night again? Right. Okay, cool. Let me know when the game is, and I'm going to be ready. All the extra shit, I don't, I don't need it. Right.

I don't need all of that to get ready to get to go. But a lot of guys can feed into that. and I've seen it and it worked. Right. So you feel me? I'll never like, never go against a grain like, oh, fuck him and this, down and the thing. Because no, he's a great motivator and get motherfuckers ready.

But it was just that I didn't need that. And I don't think he understood like where I was coming from. That I don't need to be ha, ha, ha, and who, who and all that in order to be ready. And, you know, I believe he wanted me to be a part of that type. of environment, but that just wasn't my speed. So that kind of got us to, you know what I mean, headbutton a little bit for the misunderstanding. But the thing was I always told him like, man, I ain't going to never go against the ground. I ain't going to never tell nobody not to, you know what I mean, listen to what you got going

on, but that shit just not for me. So, you know what I mean, if you're going to be having meetings or whatever, you know what mean, we came to our understanding. If we having a meeting and you're not telling me specifically like Marchion on this play, We need you to do X, Y, Z, then you know, I'm probably not going to come to that meeting. Because, you know, I know what you're going to be in there doing. You're going to be in here, hi, ha, and busting jokes and doing all the funny shit. I mean, I'm ready to play football.

So when they come down to that, then let me know. Once we got that understanding, you were cool. Yeah. And the guy that's stopping by for conversation, no drinking today, is Emmy Award winner, comedian, actor, voice actor, writer, producer, musician, director, author, been in the industry almost 40 years, a friend of mine. Tommy Davidson. Me and I'm, um, um, Will had a run in. Yeah, well, you, yeah, yeah, yeah. He tried to put his wife in a little love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I yeah, yeah, I didn't find out that for 15 years, because he never told me that. See, he came

into the, he came into the trailer and I was sitting down, right? He's standing over me like this. And he's like, I don't appreciate that, man. I don't appreciate that. And I'm like, well, what you're talking about? I always know to play it off. Right. You know what I mean? It's tone.

Well, I'm sitting down. Oh, look. This was 15 years later? Or was it? No, this was then. I didn't find out why. Okay, okay. I was asking him why then, but he wouldn't say nothing.

Right. Right. And I'm going, what's going on, man? Tell me what's happening, man. And since he was standing and I was sitting, I was a real nice fella. I mean, that's about physics. Right, right.

So I'm like, you know, oh man, what's going on, man? I mean, hey, man, you said, I don't appreciate that. You know what I'm saying? And Jada's going, well, I'm saying. But, I mean, what's happening, man? Now, you tell me what's happening.

Hmm? Hmm? You know, when a dude does his. He's about this. He's about to do something bad at you time. He might do something, right? So I'm like, you know, I did the whole, you remember the snake?

Yeah. I did the snake, well, well, what, you know, and got up. Right. And then I was like, you know, so what are you talking about? man and I was still in that posture. So you didn't really know what he was actually talking about this. I didn't, but I know what he was doing.

Right. So I was like, come on, man. I mean, what's up? Just tell me what's up. Right. Yeah, yeah, you know what's up. You know what's up. So finally I just said, this is a small place and people are here.

You want to, we should talk about it. Right. Me and you outside because it looked like you need to get something off your chest. Right. And the Jada was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, y'all. No, no, y'all. And I was like, what do you mean? Nah, y'all.

Tell him. tell him. And that was the end of that. Right. You see? Right. And I never knew. It wasn't until my book came out.

Right. Years later. Right. Where I counted that as one of the things that really bothered me and hurt me. Right. Bad because I didn't know when I look up to him and I love him to death. So you really didn't know why he was upset. You had no earthly idea.

No, earthy idea. No idea. That it was because of an on-screen kiss or attempt to kiss or what was going on? You know, but I ain't know why when I was taking the subway up with my cousin uptown to the Bronx, I ain't know why when we're 14 and why these 19, 18, 20 year olders on the other side of the train are looking at us going, what? Hmm? What? We'll bust your ass. What?

I ain't know that neither. Right. But I still was like, huh? Right. You know, waiting for that damn. So hot. Yeah. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

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He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So 15 years later, how did you find out? This is how I found out. I put it in the book, you know, and I found out about literature. You can't put something in the book about somebody unless they sign off on it.

Right. Oh. Right. So I was like, uh, you know, and I didn't want to put stuff like that in the book anyway. Right. But I was trying to be real honest about my experiences so I can show that you can go through anything and still be something. successful and still be a good person. Right.

You know what I mean? And I was able to do that, but it's not easy. Right. You know, but you can do it, right? So I went to his best friend, Charlie Mac. You know Charlie Mac? I remember the song. Charlie Mac, man.

Everywhere we go downtown to a show we have two necessities, Charlie Mac and the limo. Right. Well, that's like Charlie Mac. You're going to see him at every game. If it's a Super Bowl, if it's the Kentucky Derby, you're going to see Charlie Mac. And that's Will's best friend. Right. So I call Charlie.

And I said, Charlie, what did you think about this? He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know, we'll cool. And Jada cool too. She said, give me the quote. And I send it to him and, and they'll call you. They call you, time. I send it to him. Call me.

Him and Jada. She said, they say, yeah, go ahead and put that in there. Go ahead and put that. And what I put was that I, that I thought in the book, I thought the only thing that could be possible, was the producers came to my trailer right when we were on the last scene. And it was a kissing scene. Right.

And they said, the kissing scenes now, not later on tonight. We got to do that now. And I said, but I haven't rehearsed with Jader. That's the most important rehearsal that you can ever have. Right. You put your lips on a female on screen. Right. And so I was like, we never got a chance to work that out.

You can make it look real if she's working with you and everything, right? Without kissing, right? Right. And so I said, I can't do that. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing it. They said, well, we'll ask her. So they went and came back.

She said, just go for it. And even then, I was like, I ain't just going to go for it. But I know I have to make it look real. Right. So I'm trying to make it look real, and she's kind of uncomfortable about it. Right. You know, but we got through it and you never could tell. Right.

That's all I wanted, right? Right. Right. That's all we want, right? You know, you at TE, one wrong block. Right. Right. I mean, y'all, you know, it ain't like the receivers out here, all the glory. Right. All is blocking. Right. You know what I mean? So you got to do it right, right? So I got it in there. And so they called me and said, hey, that is what happened. Wow. Yeah. And I didn't find out for that long. It was more than 15 years. That was about back in 2000. Right. So it's more than that long. Right. So I saw that side, you know, and there's nothing you can do in certain circumstances as far as I'm concerned.

Right. The way that I grew up and saw things. Right. You know, I made a good observation after trial by ass whipping. Right. Right. Okay? Right.

When emotions is high, common sense is at all time low. Yeah. Commercences at all time. Go. And how low can you go? You see what I mean? Yes. So knowing that fact and just sticking on to what I learned when I was a little kid,

you know, my brother and sister being white and me being black wasn't a big deal to me until I found out I was black. I grew up in Fort Collins, Colorado, and Wyoming. Okay. Founding the trash, took it straight out there. And I thought I was a brown one of whatever we were because I saw litters. Right. So a black cat can have a white one, a brown one, a black one. I thought we were born like that.

Right. And I'm a brown one of whatever we are. Right. Well, when we got to D.C., King had just got shot. There were riots. Right. And the black kids the next day were whipping our ass all day. And they were saying, get the white cracker and get the white cracker lover.

This is the things I learned. Right. You know, and I was going, this is stupid. So I went to my mother. I said, why are they attacking me seeing I like white crackers? I like graham crackers. Graham crackers, you don't got to have water with him or nothing. You just chew them, get you to the apple juice, and you're good.

White Cracker, you'd be like Schwarzenegger in total recall. You know, so. Right. So I found that out. And then that's where the first time I heard the word nigger, you know, okay? Because we moved to the suburbs. Then it was like, kill the nigger. And I'm five.

I'm riding my bike, a whole truck of white boys. Barely getting in the door people throwing stuff through the window right Nigger this niggottes so I went to my mom and I said who are these niggins we got to stay away from you know You're talking about you yeah yeah and um she told me she said um this is one of her speeches right she told me hey That's what people are color called people your color when they don't like them so what color are you she said we're white I said no you're beige because I learned my colors from the crayons right she said no but that's what we call ourselves and I said well what is nigger mean she said well that's what that's what I mean what is what is white cracker mean she said that's what your your people call our people

when they don't like them I said well what color are they she said they're black I said they're not they're brown right I'm a brown one and like um that's that's that's that's where my my whole uh as a child that messed me up for a long time right because I couldn't I believe that I was divided by my loved ones by the color. Right. And I always thought that that was stupid. Right. But it's real.

Right. It's not really real. Because I am right about the litters. Right. And I am right about us. Right. Because when we were in different civilizations and different colors, anytime we would come up on another civilization that was a different color,

the girls would go, those guys look pretty hot. And the guys would go, them girls look pretty hot. And thusly, we started mixing. Right. same thing. Right. You see what I'm saying? Take a DNA strand. Right. You know. Right. That wasn't because we exchanged DNAs. Right. Right. You know, that's more like D&Ps. Right. You just skip. I know, but I'm just, I'm talking to him. Right. No, I better stop. I'm good. So, but that, but that was, was the, the catalyst and I think I found my purpose in all that. Right. You know, and that's why I feel comfortable, um, um, saying, I'm, I'm, her greatest accomplishment because I believe I was. Right.

I think she did that on purpose. Right. You see Jaylo, she starts as a fly girl and now she's one of the biggest stars. Did you, did you, could you project, could you see that Jim and Jamie and Jalo and John Legu Zamo? Could you, could you foretell that they were going to be that? Yeah. Yeah, I could because because I know that anything is possible in that business if you're talented.

Right. You know, but it's the other stuff that has to line up. Right. They have to line up right. You know what I mean? Right. You know, there's all these industries. There's publicity.

Right. There's the agent industry. Right. There's the industry. There's the studios. There's the networks. There's all this stuff that, you know, you got to do right. Line it up.

You got to do right. And the next step and the next step and the next step and the next step to get to that point. Right. So it's possible to do. Right. You know, it's possible because you can navigate it. It's persistence and all that good stuff, right? Right. But I never knew that some of them would stop talking to me when they got to that point.

Oh, man. See? So I never knew that because I was always curious. Right. You know, how you did it, man, or study, you know, like. So you had the numbers when you were working on living color and then all of a sudden they become something else and now a sudden they're doing. The number you call is no longer certain. No, all of them for her.

All over her. I was like, you know, I remember seeing her. Right. And this ain't no J-Lo bashing because she's crazy, talented. Right. Come on. Right. Can't put nothing on.

And she's a great actress, too. Right. You know, but we used to hang out with me, her, my ex. We used to go to dinner together. Right. You know, and I met her with Keenan at Strictly Business. Right. Because he brought her in my trailer.

I was doing a movie and I was like, what is that? Right. Right. Right. And then she showed up to be a fly girl and she worked her ass off. She worked her ass and she was every day and she was messing around with scripts. I was like, this girl gonna be something as she was. So I saw her at the up fronts.

It was me and Danny DeVito. And he's like, there's a gentleman who one person over there. You know her, right? I'm like, yeah, I know her. So I go over there and I'm like, what's up girl? Shoot, man, you blew up. What is going on? She was like, hey, so what's going on?

What's going on? You know, just living like, you know, getting some little carrot dip. You know, I'm going, you know, what's in that carrot dip? You know, because she's your dipping my ass, you know what I mean? Right. And so that happened once. And then I was on a face break.

I had to look around and see if anybody saw that. Right. Did anybody just see her put a hatchet through my forehead? Right. I'm like, hey, you know. And so, you know. We had the same manager at the same time, so I just avoided her because you never know

what someone's going through that day. Right, right. I could be misreading it. Right, right. You know, I always got to get the love. But that's from my profile. Right. From being the black and between the white and all that.

So I'm needy in that way. I can admit that. Right. But I do love love. Right. Well, she might be, listen, you can only judge a person by the experience that you have with a same person.

Right. She might be a great person to C.J. and Hollywood and all about my guys. Jordan right but your experience in that moment was right love was not great right and so I gave it some time and stuff and I never blamed the person right you know I just try to try to work with myself right you know you know right right I had to work on that and so she we had the same manager at one time right and she was doing a video up in up in um jennie in the block yeah jennie jennie jennie from the block block block block block block right that one and so um

He said, why don't you go and visit her on the set, man? She would love to see you. And I was like, nah, that's all right. That's all right, man. He's like, nah, man. This is you. Come on, man. I was like, nah, that's all right, man.

That's all right. Because one time is enough for me. Right. You know, I don't got to steal another base. If it's, wow, one and out, hey, I'll get, I'll wait till the next up. Right. So I go down on the platform. And there she is, you know.

And I tell you the only thing that saved me, I walked down the platform and she was looking at the, at the screens with all the rest of the dancers. Right. You know? And Benny's all proud that he's standing with me, you know. Being a deemann, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He put the last name on that, okay? All right. So, I'm sorry. Him, man. You know what I'm saying? So I get down to the end of the thing, and I look at her, and Benny's going, Come on, man, let her know you here, man.

I'm like, hi, man. And I go, Jennifer, what's up? And she goes, hey. So that was like the last, you know? I don't know how she's going to be when I see her next, but the next time I saw her, I avoided her. Right. Because I don't like feeling that way.

Right. I don't want to be around anybody who makes me feel like I'm not important. I'm less than because. You're going to make me feel like I ain't important? you know, I worked at a hospital when I was 15 and everybody that worked there was black and were in the Korean War. All of them were veterans, you know?

And they taught me everything. Right. They taught me everything about cooking, everything about life. You know, just imagine if they were like that to me. You know what I mean? Right. I mean, imagine that. Right.

You know, my math teacher, Ms. Coleman, Jewish woman, lived down the street from the elementary school. And I couldn't get my math right. He was like a substitute teacher. And she said, why don't you come up to my house? So I go over to the house after school, and she would work with me on math and work with me on math and work. I was never that great in math,

but I had more confidence about doing it. What would happen if she, hey. You know, so I just remember those things. Right. And that's just me as an individual. That's all. That's just what makes the furnishing me run. Right.

You know, and I delight in that. People come to me and say, man, you came to. You came to Afghanistan. And, and I, you look at this, this is the picture. You know what I mean? Yeah. We were at your show in Kansas City, man, and my grandmother came, man.

You took some pictures of her and everything, man. She's gone now, man, but let me tell you something. That was one of her greatest moments. The guy that's stopping by today for a conversation on the drink is one of my favorites. He's a multidimensional, comedian, actor, author. In his bio, it says he's a crispy cream connoisseur. He's the rock stunt double. In the businesses for over 35 years.

He's the mayor of comedy, the legend, the homie from Atlanta now. But if you really know, you know you got Cascade Road, you got College Point, you got East Point, you got Doug, and then you got the Swats. But this man is from none of those. He's from the bluff. My homie, the big homie, brute Brute. What's up, player? How you doing, man?

Bet all good. How you being? I'm going to be honest. I feel so sexy today. You feel sexy? Oh, my God. This is so sexy to me. What is it?

Is it? LA? I mean, leaving eight. The A coming to L.A., that's what makes you feel sexy, man. You don't like, like when I used to strip. Let me tell you something. When I was strip. The reason I stopped, the church members came down so hard.

They came on you? But they was at the show. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I would get into them, though. I was getting it to them, I was getting it to them. You get it to them? I had a G straightened size of a jump rope. Let me tell you.

It was actually breathtaking because when I put it on and actually took my breath. But look, I had fun doing it, man. You know what I'm saying? Deaf Comedy Jam, Showtime, and the pop. So what was the auditions like on that? Because you know if you're knocking out the park here. Oh, you know, death jam, you're smooth sailing. You, you rip it on death jam.

You're in the air, man. Right. And I'm, I was so scared, man. Oh, my God, I was scared. Why were you so nervous because you had already done? Let me tell you why, Shannon. You know, like, we're Southern boys. Right.

But when you get up north to New York, first thing, like, this country, motherfucker. They say that, you know, this country. And I like, I say, look, man, I'm country, but. let me do my thing. I never forget when I did the Apollo and Steve Harvard was hosting. And I walked out and Steve said, I'm going to let y'all know now, y'all better put your seat belts on

with this guy right here because I'm letting you know, he's going to let you have it. And I was known for, like, messing with the crowd. And I came out there, and he said, let him, all this country, mother. I walked out, I killed him. I mean, after I rubbed that log, when I came up, you know, you rubbed that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Steve came back out. He said, uh-huh, uh-huh.

So y'all wasn't ready for. for him. Right. But they gave me the respect. I had to earn it. Right. But they automatically gave people from North love. Right. But if you say Birmingham, Atlanta, Florida, Tennessee, all this country, man. And they got to understand, it's not like that in the South. People think we're still living in red clay mud. Yeah, driving a horse and bug. You know, horse and bug, ha! You're not doing, people living in mountains in the South. But you know what, Bruce, you wanted a few comedians. You chop a little. You chop a You chop it up with the audience.

You get on them. I have to, man. He with you? You'll let him at home. Oh, that's right. You leave them, like. One lady got mad at me. I was in Greenville, South Carolina.

I don't forget this. And she kept talking out loud. And the way this stage, I was on the stage. Stage was an oval shape. Right. And it was seats all the way around the stage. Right. And then it was the tables and stuff.

But she kept talking out loud. So you can hear it while you're on stage. And so I ignored. I'm doing my jokes. I said, can you hold it down? I said, I'll be up shortly. I said, how did you learn how to whisper in a helicopter? She's like, my husband, I'm talking to me like that.

And she said something. She said, I called her a bitch, and I didn't. Because I don't do that, women. Right. I never used the N word. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I say, I call you bitch.

I say, if I did, I'm sorry. I said, but let me be the first to shake your head to call your bitch. Yeah. And I made it, I flipped it on her. Yeah. But she kept talking. I kind of gave my crudest signal. I said, get out of here.

Because she just kept talking. And I had to just get out of that. But I'm, like, I apologize, too. I say, I'm going to get your money back and everything. But this is what you do. Don't ever come to a show again if you're going to do all that loud talking in front of people because it's disrespectful. Right. You know, but it's good.

And I have fun. You mentioned Steve, when you are, to the Apollo and he was the host. Yeah. And Steve, I've talked, has a lot of comedians on and everybody speak this man in glowing terms of how he's helped them. Quake talked about how he said, look,

Quake on the comedy club, he had Steve Harvey and blah, blah, blah, and the ticket sales wasn't what they're supposed to be. Right. He said, Steve told me give everybody their money back, just what we're going to do in the morning. So they read on the radio show the next morning, brought everybody donuts and coffee, and they promoted the show. Uh, said the entertainer.

Mm-hmm. To best, hey, Steve got me on TV, says, I want this guy right here. He's the buddy of mine. Did Steve partake any wisdom? What is, what does Steve meant to you? Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Let me tell you. And Steve was straight up. I mean, it wasn't. It was straight, no chase. Yeah. And I never forget, I went to the Apollo, and Steve said, this is all what you do. He said, when people come out and see you, give him something back. And he said, I want you to start dressing in soups.

He said, you're a big dude. He said, you look good in suits. And I had on some. Sean John sweatshirt. He said, man, that's stuff right there. Good when you're traveling. Right. He said, you get on the plane, you're going to know the city.

Right, right. You can be comfortable. He said, but on stage? He said, no, that's why I started wearing suits. And he took me up in his dress room. He showed me the suits he had, the gaiters he had on the floor. I said, well, I guess I can. And I was, I was like, I ain't going to wear no suits on stage.

You know what I'm saying? And he said, just do it. And I kept listening to him and listened to him. And I did it. And it just changed my whole life. Right. And he always gave you wisdom on how you should do, how you should dress, how you should handle yourself in public.

Right. And Steve always kept good dudes around him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like he got a bodyguard named Boomerane that's been with him for years and years and boom, like, hey man, just listen to what he got to say and everything. I'm going to do it. And when I did it, it just changed my whole life.

Right. So I got to get big ups to Steve, man. You know, I call him Uncle Steve and he knows what he's talking about. And he's proven facts now. Because Steve can really do more than that on Family Feud, but he can't do that much. Because some say, his face will tell you everything he's really going to say. You know what I'm saying? Because people say some stupid stuff on the end.

He was like, what did he just say? But Family Feud have not been the same since Steve started hosting that show. I look at the comedians, and it started way back. You look at Cosby, did TV, you look at Red Fog, you saw prior. You see all the top comedians. do television said that a Tatea D. D. O'Hubley, Steve Harvey, a lot of them guys,

what is it? Do you think your weight held you back? I think so. That's a very good question. I think so. Because people think you can't do it yet. But you have to, we have to prove ourselves. Right. It's like black people. We have to be overqualified

to do a job. Do you get the marginal job. Right. And I think it have, and I think people are scared. Oh, I hope you don't fall out on stage. But what about Skinny people fall in those days. Right. You know what I'm saying? But I'm going to create my own.

Right. And I'm making mom. Right. Because I saw you, I mean, you've been the wash with Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre. And when I did that movie, let me tell you, I was so scared I didn't know. That was my fucking. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Like I was super cop. You know what I'm saying? Right. But they kind of just, no, we don't want to do that. But Snoop and Drake was like, let him do it, man. Let it be him. Right. But I was very nervous when I did that move.

And if I ever get a chance to do it again, I'm a rip it. I'm a rip it. Are you afraid after what transpired a couple of years ago at the Oscars? Are you afraid about people running up on stage if you work to say something? Let me tell you something. Now, Shannon, come on now. Now, I'm going to do you like you. Come on.

Come on. Come on. Chana, come on, come on, come on. It wouldn't happen to a brother. Will Smith would have never ran up on Trick Daddy like that. If Trick Daddy was... Say the same thing. He

hesitated. He didn't hesitate. So you don't run up on no food. Trick Daddy going to let your hair. He couldn't run up on me or you like that. And Chris Rock is my boy. I love him with all my heart. Chris, a buck 30. Yeah, I know... Oh, 129. Many of a buck 30 when you put your clothes on. What I'm saying? But

he took it and And he kept it professional. Right. But I bet something in his mind was like, you lost your in mind? Right. You know what I'm saying? And when Will slapped him, he went across.

He didn't go like, pow, it was from the shoulders all the way to the floor. Yeah. And he wouldn't have did that to me because it had been a fighting now. I'm going to tell you, I'll put him in a, hey, I'd have put him in a sleephole. And if I got that second win, he'd went out. I was right. You can't do a man like that. He's going to handle that in a better way.

I believe so. And actually, I thought Will was coming up to. joke with him. Right. The way it looked, it looked like he was going to come up and joke with him and then, because Chris said, here come Richard like that. You know, he said, yeah, Richard. He thought he was joking and he cocked him. Right. You know what I'm saying? And he apologized later, but, and I never met Will, don't get me wrong. And all the thing I've heard about Will was great things. Right. I've heard great things about it. But when I saw that, ooh, who, even the white people are like, oh, no, we don't, we don't do that at the house, court. You know what I'm

And you lost a lot of money behind it. Right. Of course. He lost a lot of money behind it. But I'd have come out of that suit, player. You know, if I had that tuxed on. So you don't worry about it. So you don't worry about it anymore because, like I said, you do chop it up with the crowd.

You get on what people wearing, what their hair looked like, what the shoes look like. So you don't worry about that. No, not at all. Not at all. Man. See? Chris Rock, the special. What do you think about it?

I like it, man. I didn't like they cut out the part with Will. They showed it the very first time. Right. But then afterwards, they cut it. cut the part I will. They should let him tell the story. Right. It happened. It happened. The whole world. It's kind of like they banning any books. Yeah. They don't want to tell

the history. It happened. That's right. It happened. Because you cut it out, don't mean it didn't happen. I had a friend in Europe comments and said, did he just slap him? Right. I understand because they saw him first the time different. He said, did he just, I said, yeah, it just happened. Show it. Let him talk about it. Right. And I think we'll have come around. Right. I think he's going to come around and apologize. When you got a woman that don't, that don't really like you, you got.

Hold on. Tell me, you're not the first man to said this. I'm on now. I don't think she does. I think, how they're going to be married all these years? At some point, time, you get. I think she liked the lifestyle.

Who's she going to marry with that much money? Oprah ain't going to have her. I'm saying what I'm saying. I mean, and then she's, she's mean. Is she? Well, I don't know anything. think about it. I don't know

and think about it. I can just see it in her face. For her to sit there, see, a real woman would say, hey, don't, don't get up and do that. Don't you miss this money.

No, no, don't. Don't get up and do that. Talk to him after the show. Right. She wanted him to go up and do that. You know what I'm saying? And he did it. And then he yells out,

keep my wife name. You should have been talking your wife when she'd be messed with a young boy. Did I bring that up? I didn't mean. Yeah, you brought it up. Yes, I did.

I brought it up. Oh, he said. Oh, he might send for you. He can't slap me, though. I'm telling him, I'll put him in the figure four. First time, I will Rick Fleckham. I hit him in the eyes. You know, Rick Flew.

When you do that, I'm going to the figure four. I'm going to the fear. And the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the drink today is one of the most powerful figures in sports. He's a self-made super agent, founder, CEO of Clutch Sports. His agency represents over 200 athletes in multiple leagues. He's negotiated over $4 billion in contracts. He's an entrepreneur, a businessman, and he's from the east side of Cleveland to the top of the sports world.

His newest memoir, Lucky Me, a memoir of Changing the Odds, Rich Paul. I was a pretty good athlete. I will say this. I laugh if you want to. I'm one of the best shooters, though. Even still to this day. And I take my chance. If I was in the one of 450, I'd be at the top.

These guys like me, Steph, Clay. Clay, who? Thompson. Who else is going to be? Dang. This man talk about he shoot like If you're just talking shooting This is the class I'm in

Y'all going down to the gun range That kind of shooting? No, man. You're talking about basketball into a rim. Trey. There is Garland. I'm just talking about guys in the league right now that shoot the three

really well. Oh, I'm saying. I'll be amongst the time. See, we've had a good old interview. I mean, it was going well. I really, the story that you was telling it because it's very similar to my. But I'm talking

I didn't say dribbling, playing, I said shooting. That's all I said. The mere fact that you put in yourself, Rich. If you're talking legends, you got to throw Reggie in there and Ray. It's all of us is that.

My point is you're putting yourself in that group. I ain't got no problem with the name you mentioned. It's just the fact that your name is in there. In terms of shooting. I don't care what it is. Well, yeah. I feel good about it. And I'm not drinking no yak.

I'm drinking. No, you should have drank some more because you used to be saying something like that. I need a reason why you said some bullshit like that. I'm sorry. Why were you saying some police is like that? Well, I'm just telling the truth. I put it this way. You know, when two men got discrepancy, what's the next word?

Ben it. Exactly. That's all. That's all. Okay. That's the only way for you to find out. I want you to tell the people what you told us before we came on there. I said, you play sports.

You're like, you know, we're getting to that. So yeah, football, I could run some routes. Go ahead. Yeah, I was a good route runner. I played every position, man. But I'm not saying I was the best because I was, I'm the first to say to you, no, I was not the best on my team. I wasn't the best on any team I ever played on.

But you know what I was great at? Leadership, having perspective. Okay, right? Corraling the guys, helping them understand the moment, what needs to take place. my practice habits. I'm leading the team when we run in the laps.

I can respect that. Because I was expecting you to come out here and say, yeah, man, I could have, if I had grew up like another five or six years, I probably could have played the NFL. No, we don't do no. One thing about it, you got, we don't do no bunch of lines.

We don't do no bunch of lines. I ain't no need to be getting on you talking about no line. Because all somebody's going to do is pull up the tape. So I don't need to do none of that. No. I can't change the color of my skin. And as tough as it is, with the industry, we make it even tougher on our sales because there's still a competition.

And don't get me wrong, when you're going out and recruiting clients, yeah, you're competitive. So, but there's a. But you're not speaking ill. You're not speaking negative on someone. And that's the thing. To the best man, the best man, woman win the job. So I'm not, but I'm not going to say, oh, this person. is this, that person is that, to try to conjure up so the athlete feels some type of weight.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, this is what I can provide. This is what I believe I'm the best man for the job, my agency, and I think we can do the best job for you moving forward. And that's the point I was making when we talked about it when we did first take. The point I was making was, of course I didn't expect white agents to help, to try to help me. That wasn't even expectation. Right. Right.

coming from where I came from, the game was given by the older guys. Right. Whether you decided to digest it or not was on you. But I can't sit here and say that my coat tail wasn't pulled to certain things to help me get through the day, get through the month, get through the year of survival. So that's all I know. I only, I got to give that back. When I started, that wasn't the case. And I seen people online like, oh, well, you didn't say that.

You're missing the point. Right. Did you reach out? Did you, I mean, I don't need to call any names, but did you reach out to any age? When I first started the business, I talked to everybody because I wanted to understand why are things the way they are. And what I came to understand is, ain't no different in the block. Every man for themselves, that has been placed upon us from a thought process. but what happens is when you create those

that psychology it stunts to growth it stunts to communication habits it stunts I should have came up under something that was already built right that's normally how it happens agency they normally come up in a big agency

and then they branch out on their own you started differently you started out on your own I started differently I started at a place but I don't even count that because there was no education there there was no plan for me to become who I am today.

But what I started to realize is, oh, you know, we work in a small industry. So things get back. Yes. The only difference is the kid on the cover of that book in that environment, when things get back, oh. We did have it. We pulling up. You get them saying? In this industry, when someone goes and speaks about you in a very derogatory way for two hours.

Ain't that much to say. Now the business is the business. Competition is in all business. But when you make it personal, that's a different dynamic. Like Primeston, then you made it personal. But we couldn't do that. It's not in me. I couldn't be trying to talk to a girl and mention Shannon.

We don't, that's no go where I'm from. We don't do that. And so, but I'm in this game where I left a game that was being played with no rules and no rests, but you understand that. Yes. But in the corporate setting, it really ain't no, there's rules,

but the rest are assigned to the establishment in a lot of cases. I had to learn that. I had to learn narratives. I had to learn how media works. I had to learn all these things. And I also had to learn that the smiles is not really the smiles, but I was used to that because I came from that.

So I was prepared, for the position I'm in today, it's just that it's hard for me to respect it. That's all. I'm going to get you out of here on this one, and you're the closest to the story so you would know. What is with the vitriol of the older players towards LeBron? It seems like, and it seems like a lot of the old players don't want to give this younger generation, the credit that they deserve. Yeah.

But it seems like a lot of the ire is pointed at 23. Why do you think that is? It's really corny to me. Absolutely. And like I said, you know, and when you're out there, you deal with certain things. It's layered, in my opinion. You got to remember, when LeBron came in, a lot of guys were still in their prime, and all the attention turned to him.

In 2006, all the attention, boom, $100 million contract, real $100 million, not that fluff that'd be going out today. I'm talking about a $100 million contract. Never dribble the NBA basketball in NBA. They ain't never seen nothing like that. You know, Jay-Z sending a private jet. When he's in high school, we'd gone up to New York every weekend, every other weekend, whatever, when you could,

you know what I'm saying? All these things, they wasn't, and so quite naturally, in the neighborhood, you develop what? An envy. It's much easier for you be like, man, that's some cold, man, that's a player. That's real player, man, I appreciate that. I'm proud of you.

That's the hardest thing to do. do. The easiest thing to do is what they do. Ah, this, you know, you have. And then now when you give that to a media platform, and now it's even trickling down to some of the younger players, just they purposely don't say his name in things. Oh, I played this because of these people. But again, everybody didn't always have a mama mentality. The mama mentality came after Kobe was really done. Then all of a sudden, everybody had the mama mentality. Because the mama mentality, everybody frowned upon it because they say he was ball hawk. Yeah. But when he was playing, because I was there, he wasn't hanging out with none of these guys.

You give what I'm saying? I do. But I'm not surprised because I come from it. I wish it was different, but I'm not surprised because I come from it. But what impresses me more is that guy don't do unto those what they do to him. His door's always been open. every time you see somebody, man, what's up, show love, etc. Even when there's...

Is it too nice? Two nights. Because Jordan gave the players he played it with it, but he's like, I am full with you, he'll be with you. But you got to understand some familiarity, breed, disrespect. And I tell him that sometimes. They can walk past somebody and don't even speak

that make that person want to speak to you more. If you speak to that person every time, it becomes... And that's the treatment that he gets sometimes. You get them saying? on Draymond for being his friend. It's craziness, right? But again, this is not about, that's not a athlete thing.

That's a people thing. And that's why I said, what I said when we were talking on first take, we have to break those. I'm not going to do unto those others as they've done to me. That's just not what I come from because you don't want those habits created. So if the Jordan LeBron debate ever going to end, it ain't going to end but bronze a goat Jordan a gold

but bronze a gold and step-kirk change the game one one guy got gold horn the other guy got platinum horns yeah might got a little platinum in here but it's like platinum and gold and the bronze's all platinum

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