The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 02/26/2019

Episode Date: February 26, 2019

Colin thinks LeBron is too focused on his role as an icon and forgetting that what he's great at more than anything is basketball.  He thinks the teams interested in Antonio Brown are a laughable group of organizations and worse than where Brown is right now.  Plus, FOX College Football & NFL Draft Analyst Joel Klatt comes in studio to argue with Colin about Kyler Murray and goes out on a limb to say that Murray is a better runner than Michael Vick was in college.  Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, this is the herd on a Tuesday, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Nick Wright today, Joel Clatt, Matt Barnes, Mercedes-Lewis, now a Green Bay Packer with Aaron Rogers. Great to be enjoyed. Taylor is joining me on a Tuesday where we're actually back today. How are you, Joy? I'm great. Good morning. Good morning. We always knew when LeBron James came to L.A. There was going to be some business. I'm for business. I always say for

superstars, soccer, music, entertainment sports. There's the show off stage. I got to win some ring stage and the mogul stage. We knew LeBron was moving into the mogul stage, but it's out of balance. I'm getting too much mogul, not enough basketball player. And we always knew, and I'm for it, we always knew that was part of it. We always knew that. The Lakers lost last night to a really bad team. They're now the 11th seed in the West. That's not the 11th seed in the NBA.

There's a lot of good teams out east. They're the 11th seed in the West. And oh, by the way, Lonzo Ball's Lakers last year won 35 games and had major injuries. LeBron's Lakers are on pace to win 39 games. Not as many, maybe, injuries. the Lakers are now officially statistically, have a better chance of landing a top three spot in the NBA lottery

than making the playoffs. I'm not joking. 3% for the playoffs, according to basketball reference, 6% to get a top three pick in the lottery. It's over. Superman's capes got a tear in it, and there's no tailor around to fix it. The balance is out of whack.

His teammates can feel it. It's too much mogul. LeBron and his guys are trying so hard to show us that he's an icon, that he's an entrepreneur, that he's a TV mogul, that he loves wine, and he's sophisticated, a bon vivant. Dude, we like your basketball. Nothing against your pizza chain. I've tried it.

It's fine. Nothing against your TV shows. I've tried them. It's okay. You're not Spielberg. You're not Domino's pizza. you're a basketball star. I get the mogul stage.

I appreciate it. Kevin Durant, by the way, is getting kind of into mogul stage. But I always feel like Kevin, priorities are right. 90% basketball, 10% mogul. With LeBron, it's out of whack. This is something Chris Broussard came on our show the other day, and I thought he really nailed it when he said LeBron sees himself as a corporation.

Yeah, but the problem is you're playing with a bunch of one-year contract guys and 23-year-old guys. They're not corporations. Tom Brady always makes a point to reach down to the scout team, to reach down to rookies, to know their name and their backstory. I'm one of you.

LeBron's constantly separating. I'm global. I know Pino Noir. I'm a TV mogul. I'm a pizza. I get it. You don't need to constantly advertise it. You can't take games off for load management.

Because part of that load, it's a load of bull and it's a load of mogul stuff. You've got a bunch of young guys here. They're moldable. They're looking up at you. You're the star like they're doing in New England with Brady. You've got to reach down. Like, I get the mogul stuff. Hey, have opinions on politics.

Own a pizza chain. Be into television. I get it. I'm for it. I understand it. But the balance is out of whack. I watched last night. LeBron apparently doesn't think there's videotape because he was blaming his teammates.

Well, you know, there's too many distractions here. By the way, Brandon Ingram last night was great and so was Kyle Kuzma. Here's who wasn't great. Here's who was not great last night. LeBron James, he missed 17 shots and played no defense. LeBron, we've got videotape. There's always balances in life. You know, good dad and serious dad.

You know, I can be fun dad. I can take my kids to Disney, but I can also be serious dad. No, punished for the weekend, didn't get good grades. There's always a balance. And LeBron's balance is out of whack. He's now into the finger-pointing stage. Distractions, distractions, distractions, he says about his teammates. Are you kidding me?

LeBron, you're the one with a pizza chains. You're the one with television shows and movies and corporations. that Kyle Kuzma didn't have those. Ingram doesn't have those. Josh Hart doesn't have those. Again, leadership is hard to explain. I once asked Jimmy Johnson, former coach of the cowboy, he said, what's a leader?

He goes, I can't define it. Either can I. But I do know this. The NBA of all the professional sports in America has the smallest locker room. Baseball, you got 25 guys. Football, you got 55 guys. Hockey, you've got a lot of guys, 25 guys. In NBA, you've got about 12, 13 guys, and about six matter.

Sometimes three matter. In Milwaukee, one guy really matters. In L.A., one guy really matters. So the influence of the star in an NBA locker room is profound compared to other sports. It's a really big deal. Tim Duncan bought in, took pay cuts, everybody buys in. Dirk Novitsky's not the best player in Dallas. but he kind of creates the culture pro team that allows young new mavericks to be part of the club.

What I'm seeing in Los Angeles now is the opposite of New England, where the superstar is pushing away whether he gets it or not. I get, I get mogul, I do. I've said before, the show off stage, give me ring stage, and the mogul stage. but the balance is completely utterly out of whack. I watched every moment of that Laker game last night. LeBron is not engaged. His body language is terrible. His defense is worse.

He's into finger pointing and nobody's buying it. His injury didn't help. The trade rumor certainly didn't help. But at some point, this is not about anybody else except LeBron. I'm showing video right now on FS1. You can't find LeBron in the picture defensively. Guys watch film. Guys see what's happening.

It's out of whack. All right, let me shift to this. Peter King covers football. He's usually very well connected. Here's the five NFL teams, according to Peter King, that could be leading or most interested in getting the Steelers, unbelievably talented wide receiver Antonio Brown. Carolina, who has a hurt quarterback.

Washington, who has no quarterback. Tampa Bay that's got an inconsistent quarterback. The Jets who have a baby quarterback and the Raiders who have a quarterback that I don't think their head coach likes. That's what you're leaving Pittsburgh for. You talk about getting bad advice. this is like your stockbroker coming up to you and saying put all your money on bitcoin i mean

there are places that i think he'd be a decent fit eagles and rams and they don't have the cap space but even the places and i can't believe antonio brown's agent isn't telling him this even the places that sound like they'd be a good fit for him are not kansas city patrick mahomes andy reed No, they've got a star here, star there. They have multiple stars, deep threats. They don't need him. Indianapolis, Andrew Luck. No, they have a deep threat.

T. Y. Hilton. San Francisco. No. Kyle Shanahan is rigid. It would not be a good fit. New England. They don't really throw deep. Brady hasn't thrown deep consistently in years.

When you look around at who's a better place for A, B, than Pittsburgh, the list is tiny. I mean, I'm sorry, but if your stockbroker tells you, put all your money in cryptocurrency, you're getting really bad advice. Here's again, the list of the five teams, according to Peter King, that could be leading to get Antonio Brown. Cam Newton's hurt. Sam Darnold's a baby.

Derek Carr isn't loved by his coach. James Winston, it's a make or break year, and I don't even know who the Redskins quarterback, Colt McCoy, is long term. As T.J. Hushman Sada said a couple of days ago on our show, you don't have a quarterback as a wide receiver. You don't have a career. That is just a shocking, shocking list of teams leading for the services of Antonio Brown. Wow. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hi, it's the Herd. It's a situation nobody wants to experience during tax season. But with the breaches in the last couple of years, your information may have already been exposed.

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But if I believe something absolutely and there's a chance I'm wrong, I'm okay with it. Because, again, you can't be afraid as a stockbroker. You can't be afraid as a sportscaster. You have to go for it. And I'm going to say something now. And this goes against what a lot of people think. There is no way in the world when I hear all these trade rumors about Jason Tatum of the Celtics, a 20-year-old kid that is not even close to his ceiling, getting traded for Anthony Davis, pass.

I'm not trading Jason Tatum for Anthony Davis. I'm not interested whatsoever. And I'll go on an island saying it. Anthony Davis hurt regularly. Jason Tatum never hurt. It's a shooters league. Tatum's an elite shooter. Anthony Davis is mostly a low-posed score.

Anthony Davis has illustrated no great leadership skills. He's just one of those really talented dudes. Jason Tatum's already exhibited incredible leadership skills as a 20-year-old. Lost Kyrie last year, took him to the Eastern Conference finals. Even Celtics people inside the building were shocked how good he was. One guy's mid-20s, one guy's mid-20s, one guy. size 20. And if you have kids, let me tell you something. There is a massive difference until people get into their 30s with five years. You know, Jason Tatum is not going to demand a

max contract. The Celtics control his contract for years. I'm not making that deal. You look around the NBA right now. Joe L.M.B. Anthony Davis are dominating bigs. So is young. Janus. Yonis has never won a road playoff game. What did Mbid do last year? It's almost like world-class wide receivers. Once it comes to the playoffs, Randy Moss, even Randy Moss when he was setting records with the Patriots,

was never quite the same in playoff games. Weather gets cold, coaching gets better. Same with bigs. Bigs are great in the regular season. But if I get seven games to discover how to marginalize a big and take him out of a game, Good coaches do. I'm not trading.

Jason Tatum is what you're looking for in the draft. A smart 6-8 willing player who can shoot, drive, slash, defend and score with the basket. Go look at his draft class. Markell Fultz, bust, Lonzo, hurt again. Josh Jackson, whole bunch of nothing. Dennis Smith already traded. Lori Marketing. Okay.

Jonathan Isaacs. Raw coming in? Still raw. I mean, Danny Ains does not like to lose trades. When you buy a stock, it's not about the price the day you buy it. You buy it believing what it will end up trading for a year from now. Anthony Davis, this is what he is. Super talented.

Hurt regularly. Not an elite shooter. Mostly a low point score. That doesn't necessarily want to be the leader. Jason Tatum, 20, cheaper. shoots better, leadership skills never hurt. I'm not trading them. And by the way, this is one of the reasons I think Anthony Davis will become a Laker.

Because once you don't include Jason Tatum in the deal, Boston's package may be better than L.A.'s, but it's not that much better. I mean, I like Al Horford, but I'd give Al Horford away if I got Anthony Davis. I like Gordon Hayward. I'd give him away too. But once you take out Jason Tatum in the Anthony Davis potential trade, deal. Boston's offer is picks and guys. Tatum, hard pass, never trading him. This is what you're praying for from a 20-year-old. I don't even think Jason Tatum is close to his ceiling.

And I like Anthony Davis. He's at close to his ceiling. I like it. But I'll take Jason Tatum and I'll go against what every NBA expert and analytic whiz tells you. I am never trading that kid. He's what you're praying for when you win ping pong balls in the lottery. Look at his class and look at him. He's miles ahead of it. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

By the way, Kyler Murray, Joel Clatt next hour, reportedly in the mix to be the first quarterback taken in the draft. All right. Okay. It says here he's bulked. up to 206 pounds. That means his resting weight, it's about 195. He's bulked up. Stop comparing him to Russell Wilson.

Russell Wilson went to ultra-conservative Wisconsin and put up profound numbers. Kyler Murray is just the last quarterback under Lincoln Riley to post huge numbers. The three previous quarterbacks with Lincoln Riley, Baker Mayfield and two guys, You don't know who they are from, like East Carolina. They also put up huge numbers. Kyler Murray is 5'9 and bulked up to 206. I'm sorry. Patrick Mahomes is 6.2.5, 225.

Carson Wentz is 6.5-235. Andrew Luck 6.4-240. Deshawn Watson 6-2-220. Jared Goff, 64-22. Colin, Doug Flutie. What about him? He completed 54% of his throws. Never won a playoff.

game had 86 touchdowns and 68 picks. Doug Flutie. Russell Wilson. He's not Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson led the NFL and touchdown passes two years ago with the worst offensive line in football and no running game. Russell Wilson's a first bout Hall of Famer. He's not Russell Wilson.

Listen, Baker Mayfield, I'm 6-2. Ripped, by the way, 194. I stood next to Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield, six feet tall. and he's thick. And Baker's a great pocket passer. I'm going to go with Dwayne Haskins, 632.2.20. I'm not going to use the exception, Russell Wilson, and say, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because for every Russell Wilson, I can give you a Johnny Mansell. Remember how small he looked? I can give you Doug Flutie. Remember how small he looked? I can give you Troy Smith. Remember how small he looked? Okay, I can give you four small guys that didn't work for every Russell Wilson. And I think Kyler Murray is an NFL quarterback.

But if you're asking me, Dwayne Haskins or Kyler Murray, I'm not going to go all in on the exception. The Super Bowl, two on athletic guys, both 6'4, Brady Jared Goff. By the way, two other guys, Drew Bree's pocket quarterback, not run-around guy. And one of the reasons he keeps playing, he's not running around getting whacked.

I mean, I like Kyleor Murray as a pro. I think he'll become a pro. I'm not saying that. But you can't tell me you're not a little concerned with 5-9 and bulking up to 206. That is tiny. I mean, it's the draft time. Like, we're getting into the combine. They're going to sell prospects, like, that this is what happens.

And whoever has the buzz going into the draft, teams get excited about. Like, this is what it is. And by the way, you're trying to move up in the draft. Let me, here's a couple other red flags. I don't like about Conner Murray over Dwayne Haskins. Number one, that interview on Dan Patrick was awful. It had no sense of understanding the room. He wouldn't answer questions.

The other thing I don't like is he picked Eric Burkhart as his agent. I would fire my agent if they ever went on a radio show or a podcast and said this. Not some little shrimp they're making him out to be. This kid weighs 205 yesterday. Holy shit. This kid has jacked the F up these days. days and age of these old NFL dinosaurs and scouts that sit back and talk about what players can't do. Oh, he can't do that. He's not this. He's not that. Those are the losers. You want

all your requirements and all of that. That's not what the NFL game is today. Yeah, it actually is. It's about, you know, a left tackle having a certain reach to get drafted as a left tackle. It's about a guard being your least offensive, athletic, offensive linemen. Like, there are requirements. That's not for losers and dinosaurs. By the way, Bill Belichick's almost 70, won another Super Bowl. Who else was great in the Super Bowl as a coach? Not Sean McVeigh, 71-year-old Wade Phillips. Andy Reid at 66, got to overtime against the Patriots AFC Championship. Old Sean Peyton, also in the NFC Championship. Yeah, I know everybody's falling for, you know, the young guys, but you did watch the Super Bowl between young coach and

old dinosaur. It was a complete, utter mismatch. Okay? I think Kinder Murray's an NFL player. I'm not disputing that. I think in this world we live in now, but if you're looking at 5-9, bulking up to 206 and you don't have a little bit of a reservation, a little bit? I just feel like anything that's a hard sell. That's a good point. I'm a little skeptical. I know how tall he is and how much he weighs. That's not hard to figure out. Look in the college tape. Sell me on the stuff that matters, like his completion rate and his accuracy and speed, things that you can develop. You're not going to change his body type. That's what it is.

I got Joel Klaz. It's going to be 10 minutes or wrong next hour. That's just going to be a barnyard musical on this show. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. What happens a lot in business and basketball is a business is you create this standard and it dominates an industry. And then 10 years later, you end up facing people who have watched you and copied you and duplicated what you do and you end up facing yourself.

Whole Foods creates this organic 30-year brand. And now their earnings, people are nibbling away at their earnings. because they figured out organic food, and they're offering organic food, and you have boutique grocery stores that aren't as busy as Whole Foods, and how Whole Foods is facing itself. Tiger Woods out there, ripped, didn't even look like a golfer. Fifteen years later, tigers on the course with guys that are long off the tea can drive just like he used to, and oh, by the way, they're in really good shape too. Tiger's facing himself now.

Maybe not as good as him, but he's facing somewhat the image of Tiger, ripped long off the tee, in shape, aggressive. LeBron's facing this. LeBron is Mr. Player Empowerment. Create your own path. Shorter contracts. Be mobile. Be your own man.

matters and team. Yes, it does. And Kyrie Irving looked at that and said, yeah, you're right. You're Batman. I don't want to be your Robin. I'm out. Boston, hello. And Paul George said, yeah. Yeah, empowerment.

The man, I got a better chance to be the man with an aging Westbrook than an aging LeBron. I'm going to stay in Oklahoma City. Kevin Durant's following LeBron's playbook. One year deals, player controls the team, join stars, exit at any time. LeBron's now trying to find young players to join him stars,

but they don't want to be his Robin. They don't want to be a sidekick. They don't want to sign long deals. They want to have mobility. And this is forcing the Lakers to have to trade everybody to get Anthony Davis, which is what happened to this team and ruin the season. LeBron got hurt. Anthony Davis trade rumors came out, and out of the last 10 games past that, they're three and seven. The last 10 games have ruined their season.

Before that, we were like, oh, eight seed. No, they're not getting in now. All those Anthony Davis. So it's forced the Lakers to engineer a massive trade to get somebody because Paul George isn't interested. And Kauai Leonard isn't interested. And Kyrie Irving's not interested. And Clay Thompson doesn't appear to be interested.

Is that you end up facing yourself. And LeBron is Mr. Empowerment. Mr. Mobility, Mr. Create Your Own Path. That's what Kyrie Irving said. Kairie's like, I've seen his act. I'm going to use his act and leave. I don't want to be his Robin. If Paul George would have said, think about this.

If Paul George would have said five months ago, I'm in. It'd all be good. Wouldn't have any of these problems. They'd be a two or a three seed. Paul B. Averin 24. You'd have your two stars. You wouldn't have had a trade to get him. And now you have Paul George, LeBron, all these young guys, and you could move him for a third guy.

But it didn't happen because Paul George said, I want to be more of the man. And I got a better chance to be the man in OKC with an aging point guard than I do LeBron James. So to some degree, LeBron and Chris Broussard talked about this yesterday on our show, is he's created this kind of global iconic basketball powerhouse. and everybody's watching. I just think LeBron is his own corporation, and he looks at this as a business deal. He's always in the partnerships.

You know, with all his endorsements, he doesn't want to just be a client of a company. He wants to be a partner of a company. And I think he looks at it as when I was with Cleveland, I was a partner. When I'm with the Lakers, I'm a partner. And that can be tough to do when you're a player. It can rub some of the other players the wrong way.

Of course it can. It can not only rub some of the lesser players the wrong way, but the players that are close to you in talent, Kauai Leonard, not you, but close to you, start copying your M.O. Kauai Leonard does not want to be LeBron's sidekick. He could go there and they wouldn't have to give anything. He's not going to.

And Paul George didn't. And Yannis doesn't want to. And Clay Thompson doesn't want to. They don't. and this is where we stand. The Lakers now statistically a better chance, according to basketball reference, to get a top three lottery pick

than to make the playoffs as they currently stand an 11 seed in the West. This story is out. Boy, if you're a Dallas Cowboy fan or if you're a fan of the Philadelphia Eagles, two words you love hearing, Eli extension. Yes, the Giants general manager, Dave Gettelman,

is speaking with the media tomorrow for the first time since the end of the season, and it looks like the Giants are expected to commit to Eli as the starting quarterback again next year. Oh, the Eagles and the Cowboys, it is a good day. Odell Beckham Jr. and Saquan Barkley are two stars, and yet you're not putting

legit batteries in those sports cars. Eli cannot elevate those two. In 2019, Eli Manning is Andy Dalton and Odell Beckham wants to be more than AJ Green. Okay? Remember that Odell Beckham one-handed catch?

He's the same guy. Odell Beckham is the same guy that made this catch. Remember the Eli Manning that won the Super Bowls? He is not the same quarterback. Okay, the New York Giants have become a second-tier organization. It is remarkable how fear-based they've become. They're Cincinnati. Oh, my bad, they're just not winning as much as Cincinnati the last five years.

The Giants roster is eight guys away from being special. I don't blame Odell Beckham, Jr., one iota for wanting out of New York City, and he's never told me he wanted out. but you can tell if a team is making a good move or a bad move by how your rivals react. And the Eagles and the Cowboys today love hearing this headline the giant continue to commit to Eli

as next year's starting quarterback. I like Eli. He's a nice guy. But the downside to being in these big markets like Los Angeles and New York is sometimes there are components you deal with. You don't deal with in Kansas City or Indianapolis. The Lakers signed Kobe because Time Warner said, we're not giving you a massive new TV contract bus family

unless Kobe's part of the last two years. And so they signed Kobe to a massive contract. It was a business deal over a Let's Grow for the Future deal. And this Eli Manning thing in New York is, it's bad for the Giants brand. The Manning family's American football. ball royalty. We're going to go with Eli. Sorry.

But this is one of the reasons I support Odell Beckham Jr. More than Antonio Brown. Steelers, Big Ben, is a great asset as a wide receiver. Eli's a shot fighter. He's Andy Dalton. That's what he is. And Odell Beckham's like, I want to be more than A.J. Green. I want to be closer to Julio Jones. I want to

be a big deal. I want to be closer to Jerry Rice. I want to be closer to stars. New York Giants, do it again. You think I hate Ely. I really don't. I really like him. But I got to be honest. I calls him as I sees him, and it's, you got to do better. You look at that giant roster and you look at that cowboy roster and you look at that Eagle roster, New York is not even close. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Joel Clatt, Fox NFL draft analyst. Guy watches more film than a movie critic.

great to have you in today, Joel Klett. How you doing? So I am a believer in Warren Buffett. I invest in rock-solid companies. You're more Bitcoin, crazy new idea guy. Don't assign me a position like that. That's crazy. I want to read this.

If I was involved with Bitcoin, I would have sold it $16,000, not held it until it went all the way back down to whatever it is at now. All right. Crazy new idea guy. Here's Joel Klaq. Is this a Denver Post or the New York Post? New York Post. Okay, there's a New York Post.

I'm going to read this. It's a newspaper out. A lot of people read it. Quote, I think that teams are starting to get burned by retaining their old school values when it comes to player evaluations, says the Clattster. I just think that old school mindset has to adjust because the NFL has adjusted it for them. I understand why somebody would think that way. I disagree with that clat on why he loves Kyler Murray, who is 5'9 and has bulked up to 205.

Okay, great. Are we rebounding? Are you telling me that the game of football right now at the quarterback position is really played in three veins. Can you distribute on time and on target? Those are the three things that you've got to do. And Kyler Murray does those better than any other quarterback available in this draft. If he can see over the line. He doesn't need to.

Oh yeah, that doesn't matter. Those guys are only six, seven. First of all, there's only a very select few, a handful of guys. Listen, you can be six, six foot, six one. I'm right about six one, six two even and not see. The line are like six five. Okay, so it's a huge myth that it's like, well, if you're six foot, you can see. If you're six one, you can see.

No, you can't. You throw it a spots. You anticipate windows. You anticipate windows based on the 22 chest pieces that are on the field. So don't give me this. You got to see. Hey, by the way, you played baseball. Yeah.

You can tell me about your slitty and your split fingered. If you can throw 97 and the guy can't contact. Kirk Schilling was a, I'm going to throw it by you guy. That's why it was great in the postseason. Tim Wakefield was a, you ever noticed Tim Wakefield in the postseason? Not very good. Greg Maddox threw it so hard. Come on.

Get out of here. Braves. One championship, best staff for 20 years. Maddox is the greatest modern day pitcher in history. Oh, Lord. There were years. I didn't like him as a best pitcher on his staff. Oh, you're so out of touch.

You're like the Giants right now. A segment ago, you're railing on them holding on to Eli, you're like, oh, congratulations Eagles, congratulations, Cowboys. And now you're sitting there, you're like, I'm Dave Gettleman. Ah, you've got to be six five. I don't understand this. Because listen, you understand that the game of football right now is played in those three veins. Can you distribute on time and on target? There's no one that does that better than Kyler. I'm not saying he's historically great, by the way, he's just the best available quarterback in this draft. This quarterback class is average. Yeah. The Giants made a massive mistake. Last

year we had four guys, five guys, and they can all play. I agree with that whole heart of them. This is not a great class. You can disagree with the Giants' philosophy a year ago and love Sequan Barclay, which I do. He's a deserving rookie of the year. He's a phenomenal person player. I think he's a foundational piece. But running backs don't impact your win-loss column like quarterbacks do. Therefore, the Giants made a massive mistake last year, and I think they're going to make a massive mistake this year by just riding off Kyler Murray based on his height. And you're doing the same thing. I'm not writing him off. I think he's an NFL player.

I think in this really weak... I only like two guys in this entire quarterback class. I'm with you on that. Dwayne Haskins and Kyler Murray are my favorite two guys. Yeah. Haskins is a true pocket guy, almost unathletic. In fact, throws my knock on him is when he moves, his accuracy dips dramatically. Footwork is certainly a question. I think that he's a developmental guy.

He needs to go in under a coach and maybe a... starter that can allow him to develop a little bit. My thing with that is there's nobody in this draft at that position except for Kyler Murray that makes your team better the first day he steps on it. Arizona, you have to pick GM, do you take him? Absolutely. What do you do with Josh Rosen? I trade them to New York because they're hung up on height. That's what I would do. And here's why. Because I think quarterbacks in the modern day NFL, and I think Brady and Belichick, you can say that they're not modern. They're absolutely modern. They're maybe more modern. than anybody in the game. Why? Because they are so agile in terms of their schematics. Think of how

many different styles of schematics they've used to win Super Bowls and they continue to morph and adjust based on what the league gives them, based on what their roster gives them, and they go out there and win. That match is made in heaven not because just Brady is great or just Belichick is great, but they're great for each other. Brady doesn't care the style that he uses to go win. He can throw it to Moss, he can throw it to Welker, he can throw it to Edelman. Belichick, by the way, requires that out of his quarterback. So my whole contention is if you're Cliff Kingsbury, it's not about you. It's about the match. You've got to have a guy that's going to take what you believe and go put it out there on the field to the best possible efficiency that he possibly can't. And I think that's

Kyler. I know what Cliff runs. Kyler fits what he does perfectly. That's why he recruited him to A&M before he went to Texas Tech in the first place. But I am saying is, we're throwing out size. Again, you're a baseball pitcher. If I said, I'm going to ask you that you have to be honest with me. None of this is just throwing stuff into the ether. Like you're some crazy radio voice. This is real journalism.

Big J. Big J. This show is about getting it right all the time. That's right. So if I said to you, any pitch in baseball, any pitch, any pitch, if I said, God gave you one great pitch. What would it be? Slider.

Oh, give me a break. How many, you wouldn't take a 98-mile-hour fastball? Do you know how many guys throw 98? All of them. All of them. Go to any AA game or high single-A game out there. Every single one of them is Nucle-Lush, throwing a guy's heads.

They're hitting the bull. They all throw 98. Maybe you should go to fewer AA baseball games. That's your problem. That was my problem. That was in far too. So you're just, what I'm saying is you're just throwing height out. everybody throws 98, but the ability to control the slider is what gets people out.

You have to have an out pitch. Just like as a quarterback, it doesn't matter how tall you are or how hard you throw it. It matters how you distribute the ball on target and on time. That's how Drew Breas. So are you telling me that you wouldn't have taken Drew Breeze? You wouldn't have taken Russell Wilson? Everybody's a genius now with Drew Breeze. Everybody's a genius now with Brady and Russell Wilson.

But that's what broke the mold. Why would you stay in some old? mold that wouldn't have valued Russell Wilson or Drew Breeze. Clearly the modern day NFL is different. Patrick Mahomes is not a giant. He's 6.2.5.2.20 with a cannon. I mean, I think 6.2.5 is generous. But Kyler Murray is an anticipatory thrower. There has never been a better running quarterback coming to the NFL draft. Is he better than Lamar Jackson? Absolutely. In every facet, he's a better runner. He's more

dynamic and he's a much better thrower of the football. I agree with that. I think he's better on both accounts than Michael Vick, was a unanimous number one overall pick. Oh, come on. Slow down. Michael Vic, Michael Vic had a really strong arm, really strong arm, a halitzer. Okay, Josh Allen-esque. I mean, this dude could throw it.

But as a runner and a passer, Kyler is better than Michael Vick was. There's no question. Go watch. Joel. Joel. What? Hey, this isn't chapstick and sausage fingers in the morning in Clovis, New Mexico. Everyone wants a big deal.

Have you guys watched, Kyler run the football. Everybody at Oklahoma, every quarterback Lincoln Riley's hat is amazing. Go to East Carolina. Those guys were great. Lincoln Riley's amazing. I'm not talking about that. And no, those guys did not distribute like Baker. Listen, you fought me as a year ago.

Baker, Kyler Murray. I would take Baker. I would too. He's more accurate with the football, but that doesn't mean that Kyler is not accurate. And he's bigger and stronger and thicker. That doesn't matter. How many devastating hits are quarterback taking now versus what they did 10 and 15 years ago? I'll tell you what,

go watch all the tape of Kyler Murray and show me the last time he took a devastating hit. Hey. Oh, it doesn't happen because he's quick as a kid. No, it doesn't happen because he's playing Texas tech. And no Michael Vick thing joy. It's absolutely true. It only takes one devastating hit in the NFL. It's absolutely true that Kyler is a better runner than Michael Vick was. Oh, and he's a better passer than Michael Vick was as well. Vic had a really strong arm. This conversation is giving me anxiety. You guys are so hung up on his height that you're not even seeing the clear things that are sitting in of you. You know what you remind me of? Get some of those Michelin wiper blades right now. Please. No. You know what you. You remind me of every girl that dumped me. They would always come

up to me and say, they were so smart. Look at you. No, they would come up and they would say he has a nice personality. What they wanted was the hunk with cheekbones. It matters. In the end, that guy always comes up and the girl's like, oh, I like the guy with the personality and he likes animals and he's so sweet. And then they go off with the hunk. Why? Because it matters. I don't know what's happening here. All I know is Michael Vic. transformed the league and why do we always do this? He's not played one second of NFL football.

If Michael, Vic and Kyler Murray... I said when they were coming out. If Kyler and Michael, there was a clear preface to what I was saying. Kyler in college was a better runner than Vic was at Virginia Tech. It's true. Listen, go watch it. You're so hung up on 5'9, you can't even see anything in front of your face right now. Get out of the fog.

Both of you. I don't even care about his height. I was just telling Colin, his height and his weight don't matter to me. You're not going to change his body type. So stop selling me on the fact that it doesn't matter. It does matter a little bit. But sell me on what he does other than his height and weight. What is his, how accurate is he?

He's very accurate. The running part of it doesn't matter to me either. He's the most accurate quarterback in this draft. He's also with his height that you guys keep knocking. And I get it. You're not as big of a knock on his height. He's also the guy in this draft of those top quarterbacks that had the least amount of passes batted down to the line of scrimmage.

He and the Wayne Haskins only had five basses that batted down to the line of scrimmage. It took us 38 minutes to get to your lead. That's your best one right there. The first 37 minutes was height doesn't matter in the NFL. And you're over here talking about cheekbones and puppies. I don't understand what's going on. The hell's going on with this show.

Goodness gracious. A Clovis New Mexico's best rock. I'm exhausted from you. I am exhausted. I feel like I'm playing cards with my brother's kids right now. Okay, get out of here. I'm Joe Clat, Fox. Hey, when's the draft anyway?

April 21. Can't wait for it. I can't wait for it either. It's in Nashville, which I'm super excited about. Oh, what a great city that is. Yeah, I can't wait to get down there. All right. Good stuff.

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