The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 03/06/2019

Episode Date: March 6, 2019

Colin says his crazy theory last season that LeBron should take a year off looks like a much better idea right now.  He thinks the comparisons between Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson are ridiculous if you use your eyes.  Plus, former Browns and Colts LB D'Qwell Jackson comes in studio to talk about his interception of Tom Brady that started "Deflategate" and how much of a disaster the Browns organization was when he played for them.  Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, good show today. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We are live in Wendranny, Los Angeles, on IHeart

Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. She is wearing a veritable turtleneck this morning because she knows what we're going through here. Another tsunami rolling through town. I told you. I tried very hard to

not complain about the weather here, but I think I'm on board officially. It's pouring again. It is. And cold. Congrats to all the ski resorts out west. Make your plans. It's a great year for snow out here. Rain becomes snow.

So, you know, I've been hosting this show for a long time. Joy has been with me for about six months now. My zaniness. I believe part of my job is to come in and tell you about what happened last night yesterday. But I also believe, and this is why I'm wrongsome, that my job is to project and theorize what's going to happen tomorrow. Anybody in my business can talk about yesterday.

Let's talk about tomorrow. And if you do that sometimes, your crazy theories fall flat and you look like an idiot. But I'm okay with that because some of my theories are right. I've written books about them. I said at the end of last year with LeBron James, I came out for a couple of segments. I got, you know, people just attacked me, said I was an idiot. This is ridiculous. You don't know what you're talking about.

I said, LeBron should retire for a year. Take a year off. You just got divorced in Cleveland. You don't move to Los Angeles and remarry. Take a year off. This morning, ask yourself, he should have. He should have.

He should have. He should have taken the year off. Surveyed the league. Recharge his body. Do all the movies, the TV shows, the pizza company. Get it out of your system. Have dinner with magic. and Rob Polinka. Talk about Brandon Ingram Coos, Malonzo Ball. Travel around the league and recruit players. Oh, yes, it's not tampering when you're retired. Go to the All-Star game. Sit front row at

the Warriors with Kevin Durant and Clay Thompson. Be their friend, buddy up. Private Jetum, take him to concerts. LeBron's always been the player empowerment guy. He didn't empower himself. He was dating. He got divorced. marriages. Dude, you don't get back into the, you don't get married in another two months. Take some time off. LeBron James had earned the right to get off the treadmill. Just think of all the advantages. I was in Colorado this weekend at a celebrity ski event and I got stuck in an airport for nine hours. They had avalanches and stuff. And I talked to the CEO who built a company and sold it. I said, what did you do afterwards? He said, I got off the treadmill for 20 months.

surveyed my industry, watched other people make mistakes. You can't see those when you're working every day. You can't. You're too busy dealing with your own minutia. You're in too many meetings. He goes, you step off the treadmill, survey the landscape. Man, it's a ton of clarity. Michael Jordan retired twice, recharged its batteries.

Roger Clemens had a year. Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, some injury, some not. They came back recharged, refocused. Most of us can't take a year off because myself included, we can't afford it. We just can't afford it. But if you can afford CEO, athlete to step back, recharge, refocus, get some things out of your system. When LeBron went, there's Cleveland, and there's Miami, and it's back to Cleveland, there's a bunch of conflict, moves to Los Angeles and gets married again.

What? Time out. Slow down. Whoa. Date a little. Take a breath. This whole year for LeBron has been, couldn't we all admit,

kind of the unfocused LeBron. It's been the unfocused LeBron. L.A. does that to you. You move to Los Angeles. I want to go to the beach. When I moved to Los Angeles, I'm a West Coast guy. For six weeks, I was on a boogie board every day.

I was doing Los Angeles, going to Dodger games. going to USC practice, going to the beach every day. And then after about a year, I'm like, yeah, I'm not a go to the beach every day guy. I'm going to go back to watching movies, reading books, and being a homebody. But L.A. does that to you. New York does that to you. Big cities do that to you.

And there's a lot to do. Can you imagine if LeBron James would have spent the last five months? Just think about this. Going to Warrior Games. Watching Katie and Clay. All-Star Game. Dinners with Magic and Polinka. Listen, man, LeBron's been on the treadmill too long.

Breaks for people who can afford them almost always work. Andrew Luck got hurt, could not play for a year. Came back this year, a smarter quarterback, fewer mistake quarterback, gets hit less quarterback, allowed the Colts to build up around him. the best thing that ever happened to Andrew Luck was not playing. Getting some time, some clarity, some space. It's not like Andrew Luck didn't deserve it. He'd taken a beating.

Peyton Manning had taken a beating. Roger Clemens, George Foreman. You sit around, most of us, you get up in the morning, you brush your teeth, you drive to work, you get your coffee, you get in the treadmill, you work hard. And we do that because we have to do it. We got kids. We got mortgage payments. But the people in society that don't have to should take a breath.

Michael Jordan took two years off. We don't even remember him. Never heard of his legacy. Peyton Manning missed a year. Didn't hurt his legacy. George Foreman actually was more popular when he came back the second time. Roger Clemens. Wait, whatever you think of him, nobody talks about the year off.

It was too much. It was too much. LeBron has been unfocused. He's a kid. He's in his early 30s. He moved to L.A. He wanted to do L.A. for a year. Should have taken a time off.

I think if you asked him privately, LeBron would admit, I needed to recharge. I needed to refocus. I wanted to do L.A. This has been a complete waste of his energy. I want to shift gears to this. This is the time.

the year combines pre-draft where you get a lot of rumors speculation stories this kid bad interview this kid a jerk this kid smart this kid i don't know this kid red flag this kid no flag we had one of those moments yesterday kiler murray's a quarterback oklahoma many suspect he'll go number one to arizona and charlie catherine he who's been in the league uh forever you know like you know he was in the nfl forever now works for an n NFL network can't came out and said, uh, Kyler Murray,

interview with teams. It was a disaster. It was a disaster. So, uh, I went last night, made two calls, two NFL scouts,

and they both said the same thing. The reports are not untrue. Now, it should be noted, there have been lots of quarterbacks in the NFL that are great on the whiteboard. That's when you go up to the board and you draw up plays. And not so great. Baker Mayfield last year, I was told that got him drafted number one.

He was great on the whiteboard. He'd been in college, different programs. He had Cliff Kingsbury. He had Lincoln Riley. Those are smart guys. He went to the whiteboard, knocked it out of the park. I was told Sam Darnold, who hadn't been playing quarterback as long, was not as good at the whiteboard.

USC coaches, not in the same class as Oklahoma coaches. That Sam Darnold wasn't very good on the whiteboard. Sam Darnold, bigger, stronger. I liked him, but Baker was way better in the interview room, getting up to the whiteboard and drawing up plays. And Sam Darnold, a bigger, stronger athlete, who I think is incredibly instinctive, more than he is polished.

And I love Sam Darnold. Not every quarterback interviews well. Not every quarterback is a pre-snap genius. There's a lot of guys in this league. Aaron Rogers, ad libs out of place. Big Ben, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Sam Darnold. They're instinctive players. They're not Tom Brady, Eli Manning.

They do all their work pre-snap. I don't think this hurts Kyler Murray a ton. Because if you're looking for a playmaking quarterback, Kyler Murray is the best playmaking quarterback in the draft. And reportedly, Arizona sat him down. And he did fine with them. The good news for Kyler Murray, there are about seven teams that are desperate at quarterback. This is a bad quarterback class.

And he is uniquely gifted. I think he's fine. He's going to be a player. And there's a lot of them. I think Russell Wilson is a great example. Aaron Rogers, too. Instinct is a big chunk of who they are. That's okay.

Now, I don't like Kyler. Murray as much as I do Russell Wilson. In fact, I don't even think the comps are close. But the stories about Kyler are not untrue. He's not great at the whiteboard. All right.

He would not be the first quarterback to win a bunch of games who's not great at the board. Who's not world class in interviews? There's a lot of ways in this league. There's quiet guys, Eli's. You know, there's talkative guys, Aaron Rogers. There's

passive aggressive guys, big Ben. There's hyper aggressive guys, Drew Breeze. There's big guys, Cam. There's small guys, Russell. I think these stories are true. They're not, I was told by two scouts, untrue. But if you want him and you need him, in Arizona, probably both boxes check there, I think you take him. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. So tonight's actually interesting. LeBron James will likely pass Michael Jordan tonight on the all-time scoring list if he gets

over 12 points. So there's that. And I could spend time talking about MJ and LeBron. I've called LeBron the greatest Swiss Army nice I've ever seen. LeBron does more things well than any player I've ever watched. I would never deny that. Michael is the greatest single score and defender, two-way player I've ever seen in his prime. They're really different players.

Michael's a score first. LeBron's more of a distributor slash score. He's a little bit more like magic. But be that as it may, I spend a lot of time on this show telling you how great LeBron is. and how he matches up with Michael Jordan. He's a bigger, stronger, better shooting, better range, better passing, better rebounding version of Michael. But let me for a second, let me for a second talk about why I don't buy stats.

And LeBron will blow Michael away with stats. I don't buy stats. Karl Malone's the second leading score in NBA history. I watched him shrink a dozen times. Half of them live in the playoffs. Russell Westbrook, Mr. Triple Double. Yeah, but, you know, he can't shoot and he's a guard. Stats are not touched.

Stats are not a witness. Stats are not eyes. Stats are not being there. I saw Michael Jordan play at 40 years old. We'll roll a tape. I'm in the crowd. If you slow it, you could probably see me. Michael was 40.

It was at Portland. I was a sportscaster. He played 41 minutes. He was 11 of 19. He scored. 25 points and had seven assists. I was under the basket, upper right. He was easily the best player on the floor at 40.

LeBron is 34 years old. He will never be as good as Michael Jordan was at 40. Michael Jordan, folks, it doesn't make sense. He retired twice. He got the hell beat out of him in a physical Eastern conference. He was a cigar smoking, steak eating. wine drinking, card playing, maniac who didn't sleep. He left a sport and played another and came back and was still a mile better than magic.

I was at his last game at 40 years old. The Portland team, I think, won almost 50 games. The Washington team had some good players. Michael was 40. It was the last game he ever played in Portland, the home of Nike. And he was easily the best play. player on the floor. Easily, LeBron James at 40 will not be in an NBA game six years from now and we're all going, wow, LeBron against Milwaukee. He's easily the best player on the floor.

I spend a lot of time telling you how great LeBron is. But the most remarkable night, I've lived in eight states, I've been to 49, I apologize to South Carolina. I've been to every big sporting event except the Kentucky Derby. One of the most unbelievable experiences of my life and I was sitting next to my friend, Brian Light Gibb, at the Rose Garden, was this night. 40 years old after getting the hell beat out of him in the Eastern Conference when you had hand checks and forearm shivers, three years of college, retired twice, went and played baseball, cigars, steaks, gambling.

40 years old, easily best player on the floor. On a good Portland team, on a night when players were playing against their idol. I mean, it was like you got up to fight Muhammad Ali. You got up to play Michael Jordan. You wanted to stop Michael Jordan. 11 of 19, they couldn't.

Seven assists, 41 minutes, more minutes than any other player. I don't buy stats. LeBron will be a tidal wave of stats over Michael, Jordan. But I'll tell you one thing LeBron will never be. As good as Jordan at 40. No way. No how.

Hey, MJ couldn't hit the curve in baseball, but he hit 40 and was still unbelievable. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Here's something we know about football in general certainly in college, absolutely in the pros. Generally, the first year you take over a football team, a little bit of a mess.

Belichick first year in Cleveland, mess. Belichick, first year in New England, mess. Takes a while to get your culture in. Tom Coughlin, first year with the Giants, bad. Parcell's first year with the Giants, bad. Nick Sabin, first year, Alabama, not great. Urban Myers, one of the rare guys that wins right out of the gate everywhere. By and large, first year's a mess.

Got to get rid of coaches, got to create your own culture, got to get some bad guys out of the locker room, got to draft your own guys, got to trade free agent your own guys, got to get all the coaches in. It's a mess. I'm okay with it. I never judge coaches after the first year. But what I need to see by year two is a plan. What's your plan? Are you just making it up?

Casabin, Coughlin, Parcell, Jimmy Johnson, Cowboys, 1 in 15. Then the trades. He had a plan. So here's the four things we know. Facts about John Gruden. He's the most criticized coach in the NFL last year. He's got a big healthy TV ego. He's accumulated a bunch of good draft picks.

And he got rid of two stars, both dominated. Can't dispute any of those. Those are all true right now. Here's the one thing that's also said about him that I think is disputable. He's got a plan. Belichick, anti-star, only pay the quarter. back. Got a plan. All right. Well, he has accumulated a lot of picks. He did get rid of two stars to get more picks. But if the Raiders and John Gruden, and he has more control than any

coach in the NFL, including Belichick, he's drafting the players. It's his organization. It's got nine years left on his contract going nowhere. If he goes out and gets Antonio Brown, he doesn't have any plan. He's just making it up as he goes. He doesn't have any plan. because Antonio Brown, you had two stars, both great guys, both great in the locker room, both with no baggage. You got rid of both. So one of the reasons that I've said, I got to kind of wait on Gruden, I don't think this is going to work long term, but I got to wait is I watch Coughlin. I watch Parcells. I watched Jimmy.

I watch Pete Carroll, both at USC and Seattle. I watch Belichick, Cleveland, New England. First year's ugly. First year's messy. I mean, if you're a CEO and you take over an organization, it takes you a year to hire all your people and to change a losing culture into a winning culture. Go to Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin. Go to go to anywhere. It's very rare that you just walk in. Oh, I got my quarterback, got my coach, got my coordinator.

It doesn't work that way. It almost never works that way. It does sometimes generally, you know, you got the quarterback in place. got a good GM, and you got a little momentum, new guy, everybody listens to you. But if Gruden goes out and gets Antonio Brown, he's telling you, he doesn't have any plan. He's just making this crap up as he goes. Because this doesn't make any sense. You had a good receiver without any baggage.

Amari Cooper is one of the good guys. Amari Cooper's coachable. Amari Cooper wants to fit in. Amari Cooper works hard. Amari Cooper doesn't talk to the media. Even with the Cowboys, Amari Cooper, it doesn't talk much. So I think there's a real danger here Because there are certain things we absolutely know about Gruden

But Gruden, there's still a part of the media That is like, they don't want to crush him yet Because he does have a bunch of draft picks And there is sort of a New England feel here to it Which is I'll have a star quarterback And then I'm just going to get a bunch of good football players Keep my team mostly affordable, nimble can move up off guys. That feels very New England. I mean, that's kind of what New England does.

We'll pay the quarterback, we'll negotiate with everybody else. And even with our quarterback, we'll negotiate with him. That's called a plan. You got Antonio Brown, there's no plan here. They're just like, hey, we'll take him. That's not a plan. That's what bad teams do in the NFL. I don't know if the New England's get in line, don't celebrate the stars thing is really the formula for Las Vegas. Well, we'll see. I mean, Gruden himself, let's be honest, New England, the two stars are Brady and Belichick. If the Raiders go, two stars are Gruden and Derek Carr.

Yeah, I would see the two names. Brady's the star. I mean, I could be wrong, but I would not go to a football game to see Belichick. No, but he's kind of the centerpiece. to the culture. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar or something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album?

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You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I'm lucky I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I believe you got to trust your eyes. There's a reason you never see blue food. Think about that for a second.

Nobody eats blue food. Why is that? Because as any chef would tell you, you first eat with your eyes. Nobody wants to eat something that looks like ink. That's why there's no blue food. When you're going to buy a home, it's not about the square foot,

you go to realtor.com. What do you look for? Pictures. If it's one of those goofy sellers that only has one picture, you eliminate it. eyes. When you book a hotel room, what's the first thing you look for? Not the price, pictures.

What's the bathroom look like? What's the bedroom look like? What's the pool look like? What's the gym look like? Trust your eyes. That's why there's no blue food. Folks, you can tell me and talk to me and try to convince me all you want. But the stories came out yesterday on Kyler Murray.

And they don't bother me that he's not a great information. interview or not great at the Whiteboard. I think he will be a instinct football player. Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers, Ben Cam, do that. I can loop with that. I've got a history of the NFL. Guys have won games. They play an instinct. Mitch Trubisky's done a great passer. Moves? Pretty good on instinct. Pretty good on finding holes and moving. But many of you have tried to convince me that Kyler Murray is Russell Wilson. I'm going to run tape of Russell Wilson in college at Wisconsin. They don't look the same.

Stop trying to convince me that Russell Wilson and Kyler Maria the same. Watch this tape, FS1. I want you to look at the sturdiness, the legs, the size of Russell Wilson. He doesn't even look small against those 6-7 Wisconsin offensive linemen. You don't think of his size. when you watch Russell Wilson in college. I'm not saying he's big, but he is sturdy. He is sturdy.

He is sturdy. He is strong. He is athletic. There was one play, and I'm not sure. Look at that. Does he look small? No. Look at the butt. Look at the shoulders.

Look at the back. Look at the arms. Look at the head. He looks strong. Look at the pipes. Look at the arms. They look tiny. Russell Wilson does not look.

Look in this picture. He doesn't look small. He didn't look huge, but he looks thick. Okay, now let's go to Kyler Murray's video. Now let's go to Kyler Murray video. Sorry for my radio audience. It was tiny. Arms, but it was tiny.

Man body, boy body. Man body, kid body. Look at that. That's not what Russell Wilson looks like. Russell Wilson cut weight to run faster with the combine. Russell Wilson playing weight, 220. Kyler Murray gained weight, bulked up. Combine. Playing weight, 190. It's like a 30 pound difference. Trust your eyes. Don't eat blue food.

When you go to Realtor.com, you look for the pictures. When you're in a hotel room, it's the bathroom. If it looks like a bathroom, they'd gut a deer in. Don't stay there. Stop trying to convince me a stuff that's crap. My eyes don't buy into it. Trust them all the time. I ever tell you my Vegas story walked into a room years ago. I was dating a good. It was Vegas store. It was an apartment. I was young. And I walked into the room.

And I looked around and I saw too many guys with velour shirts and handlebar mustaches. And it didn't feel right. And I looked around and I thought, these aren't my kind of people. And I used the bathroom about four to five minutes in. There was cocaine all over the bathroom. I knew there would be because I trusted my eyes. It didn't say on the door, cocaine, left turn. trust them

they matter size biceps butt shoulders waist head helmet fit guns look at those pictures of Russell Wilson you can tell me they're the exact same guy ah I don't buy it

I don't buy it Russell Wilson in college look at the thick the butt the arms the shoulders the strength you don't look the same he's Kyler Murray is also 21 and it has

17 college starts. Russell Wilson had 46. That's a good point, too. That's also something. It's everything. It's a big deal. I'm not saying that Kyla Murray is not going to develop, but... I'm not saying that either.

But to compare them at this point, it's very unfair. It's almost... It's ridiculous, really. It's like the comparison to Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield is much bigger and had also 46 starts when he entered the draft. And by the way, Baker Mayfield, everybody told me Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield sat in his couch. Baker Mayfield's thick.

Baker Mayfield's got a shoulders. Baker Mayfield's a thick guy. Russell Wilson was 23 when he was drafted. He turned 24 in November. The difference between a 24-year-old and a 21-year-old body is tremendous. But they're both six feet into 190. No, I don't want to hear it. Don't want to hear it.

Got the video. Watch it. Stop trying to convince me of stuff. There we go. God dang. Just telling you. I can't believe I told that drug story. Yeah, the staff wants to hear more about my drug story.

That's interesting. By the way, it was like narcos in there. I had to get the hell out of there. I got a career. I wore glasses to the party because my future was so bright, I just wore shades. I can't walk into parties like that. That's a true story, opposed to my other ones that I just make up. That was a totally true story.

I remember the people I was with. I could name them right now. Don't do that. Don't do that. It'll end up on TMZ. I knew it was fishy. I walked in. I looked around at all the people.

on like velour shirts, handlebar moustaches, leather jackets, there's bad stuff in the bathroom. Went back there? Seriously. Looked like Narcos, episode four. It's like, get me out of here.

All right. Buy, sell, or hold. And I will not drop names on the party in Vegas. I can tell you the apartment complex. I can tell the street it was on. I can tell you the woman I was with. I can tell you everything.

Seriously. Don't. Those memories don't go away. Yeah, I literally have had nightmares about the bluer shirts. Seriously. You don't think you could pull off the lure? Oh, God, no. Or a handlebar mustache. I couldn't grow one.

One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. I want to introduce you to Quail Jackson, who played in the NFL for over a decade, a lot of years with Cleveland, then with the Colts, was a big component with the flake gate, good dude pro bowler near the end of his career,

and would absolutely fit the Colts today, at least as far as emotionally, because they're building a culture, which I love right now, full of good dudes. It's great to have you on the air. People may forget this. Deflate Gate started. You made a great interception covering Gronk.

Yes. Tell them how the story was. So basically, that play was one of those plays we knew they liked to go to in the Red Zone, and Gronk was a big target. Anytime he was on a move, I knew based on the coverage, I was going to have drunk man to man. And he went in motion. He did exactly what the film study and our scound report said he would do.

And I knew Tom Brady, if I was running neck to neck with his number one target, that ball was going to be thrown. So I got my head around. I saw this brown figure coming my way. And it happened to be the football. I put my hands out. I catch it. And I remember after that play, running to the sideline, throwing the ball to the equipment guys because this is my first year, you know, in the playoffs. I just intercepted Tom Brady.

I wanted that football to put it on my mantle. So after that game, it kind of, we all know, the flake gate happened. And yeah, it was pretty interesting. That was the ball. Yes. Was that the football that the league used that they said didn't have enough air in it? Yes. Now, did you tell somebody that it felt funny? So ironically enough, the NFL never interviewed me. Never, I didn't get a call from anyone. Ever? Ever? About the football.

Did I think it was underinflated? I just happened to be the guy to make the play and the ball to be used in the investigation. So did you go to the sideline and say this ball feels small? No, no. I wanted that football for, that was, I just intercepted Tom Brady. This is my first career playoff experience. That ball was going on my mantle. And come to find out that it was underinflated and it springboarded.

at the flate gate. And the NFL never reached out to me. No one ever reached out. Did you feel it was underinflated? Did you have any inkling? I had no idea. It didn't feel. My hands were numb.

You know, it was cold as crap outside. You know, I could barely feel my fingers. And as you can see on the clip, I almost dropped the interception. But, no, I had no idea the ball was underinflated. But I could tell you this, when after that game, it was a late game. I get back to Indy. I'm dead tired. The phone's been off.

We're on the plane. You can't get any text message. I have a driver set up. And the driver, all he wants to do is talk about, not talk about the loss. All he wants to do is talk about the football. I'm like, the football, what are you talking about? He turns on the radio station.

They're talking about the ball, you know, deflate gate. I had no idea. That was my first inkling about deflate gate was from my driver in the ending. Crazy story. God, that is crazy. Crazy story. By the way, so you spent years in Cleveland

and you were there for the dysfunctional years. Yes. Then you went to the well-run Colts. Take me back to Cleveland. How bad was it? It was, if I can curse, I could tell you exactly what I meant. But it was toxic sometimes. You know, from a player standpoint, the players, we loved it.

It was funny how when you lose, it galvanizes guys to play better and have a better relationship in the locker room. But you can tell my later years in Cleveland, there was no splash about top free agents coming in, and it made you think, wait, are we really in the business of winning games or we're in the business of selling out seats? And I think, you know, every now and again,

you'll get a splash of a Johnny Mansell or whatever the case. But there was never any big free agency. And I think it was just a culture. Again, I love Cleveland. Don't mistake me on that. I love Cleveland. I met a lot of great people there. The food is actually really good in Cleveland.

But from a football standpoint, it's just so much turnover, so much turnover and you had no continuity, so it trickled down to the field. Then you go to Andrew Luck and the Colts. I want to talk about Andrew Luck. Luck is the best quarterback I've seen out of college since like John Elway. That doesn't mean he's going to be end up the best. It depends on the support system, the coach and all that.

Talk to my audience about, because obviously Andrew Luck, you were one of the better players, took a roster. a rebuilt roster with a bad on line and no running game to the AFC championship. Yes. Yes. What separates luck? His humility. I think he's one of those guys. When you look at him, he's Andrew Luck.

Like he should be put on a pedestal, but that's not, that's so far from the truth with Andrew. He does not want to be treated any better than the last guy on the roster. I think that humility piece is what draws everyone to his attention. And aside from that, I mean, he's a heck of a talent, as you mentioned. He has all the tools, surround. rebural ability. I think he's just, his likability is just through the roof.

The one area that I think Andrew has taken a step forward this past year is being able to adapt his game. You know, early on it was let's drop back five seven. Oh, he wanted to throw the ball deep all the time and, you know, we saw where it got him. He didn't, he wasn't able to finish

some season. So I think he's matured in that level and I think, you know, at some point Andrews got to take the bull by the horns and start raising his voice a little bit. Thank you. This is my knock on Andrew He always takes the blame He is he is almost to a fault

It's almost false humility Yes It is okay sometimes To call a guy out So I was there for three years And I've never seen him scream at anyone For giving up a sack Dropping the catch

I get it But all it takes is one time You don't have to do it all the time Because Chuck Pagano He didn't want coach He wanted coaches to coach not just scream and holler and do all that stuff because sometimes it doesn't work

but in Andrew's case all it takes is one time By the way Brady barks about twice a year Yeah oh I've played against Brady And Brady will give it to the refs The offensive tackle The running back The defensive guy

He's screaming at everyone when it calls for And I think Andrew when he can It's not who he is You know so if you understand If Chris Ballard understands That's not who he is You go out and get an offensive alignment who can be Andrew's kind of alter ego.

And there you go. It solves the problem. Dequille Jackson, 11 years in the NFL, a pro bowler, Browns, and then the Colts. Antonio Brown, I have a theory on this. Okay. Is that pro athletes, you probably have friends who are pro athletes in other sports. You guys go to the golf events, charities. Yeah.

You know, the millionaire is pro athlete club. And so you have a lot of friends. and you'll, you know, Andrew Luck's got a golf tournament, you'll go to it and meet other guys. And so you probably know a few baseball guys and a hockey guy and some NBA. I actually don't. I'm not that important. You're not that, okay. I'm not that important. But I do have a theory on this, is that NFL players, it's the most watched league.

It's the most popular easily. It makes the most money. They watch Bryce Harper's contract, and there's a little jealousy 13 years. They watch NBA guys be promoted and marketed bigger than everybody. And there's a little jealousy. that Antonio Brown is looking at the Bryce Harper deal, is looking at the LeBrons. And he's saying to himself, I get a voice, NBA guys get a voice, baseball guys get a voice. I mean, yesterday, Bryce Harper said, hell, yeah, I'm going to recruit Mike Trout.

I do think there are a handful of NFL players that get frustrated. And Antonio's one of them, that the NFL is popular, makes the most money, and you always feel like you can be cut any 15 minutes. That you're just a kid and the parents are running the franchise. Am I nuts? That's very accurate. You know, it's different. I don't know how it works out in the NBA, but from the outside looking at it looks like the NBA basic control.

The player actually has power over his contract. Everybody. Everyone does. From the LeBron's on down. In the NFL, you hit it right on the head in Antonio Brown's situation. Granted, Pittsburgh, there's so many levels to this. Like, Pittsburgh mishandled this situation. And I think the comment did not,

we talk about luck and his leadership qualities and his humility. I think Big Ben, no one's talking about Big Ben and his role. with the relationship between A.B. and Levy on Bill, I think if he really wanted those guys in that building, if he really thought he could win moving forward with those guys, there would have been a lot of, you know, a lot more talk behind the scenes about let's work things out, let's keep it quiet on the outside.

That Ben's got a little more drama than anybody realized. Yeah, I think so. By the way, you faced him two times a year in Cleveland. What do you make of Ben? Some people say he's overly dramatic, a little bit of a poser, acting he's heard. He's got that sort of Messiah complex. Let me save the day. What were your interpretations of him? Film, watching, listening, hearing. Yeah, I mean, from Cleveland standpoint, he used to beat us up every year. Twice a year he would beat us up. But from a football standpoint, I thought he was, you know, as advertised. You know, he was a guy who's going to stand the pocket and make all the throws. He was a likable guy. But then over the years, you start hearing stories about off the field issue. and how he relates to guys in the locker room.

And I think Antonio Brown is now feeling like, okay, I was a loyal soldier for you guys. I basically, you helped me just as much as I helped you. And he wants some sort of, you know, hey, I just, as he mentioned, I want to be respected. And I think that relationship got a bit rocky, and he realized he's one of those pillars of that team. And he wasn't being respected as so.

So I think Big Ben and the Pittsburgh Steelers, they have a lot of work to do because now you've missed out on Antonio Brown, Labion Bell won't be back. And now you're relying on Juju Smith-Schuster, who is a great talent. And now it's between him and, you know, the draft picks and Big Ben. So we'll see how Pittsburgh makes out about all of this. Kyler Murray's out there. His playing weights about a buck 90.

He comes in at 5'10. I don't think he looks like, I mean, everybody keeps telling me he's Russell Wilson, but I put some video up of Russell Wilson in college. Russell looked a lot bigger. Russell Wilson's playing weights about 225. At the combine, he was 206. Kyna Murray was 206. So the combine jacked up, but his playing weight is about a buck 90.

He looks small to me. I'm not saying he can't play. But DeQuil, you're big. How big are you? I'm six foot probably 240. Okay. And you're chasing him. Yes.

His playing weight, I believe, is under 200 pounds. What do you make of his size? Yeah, he's a small guy. I mean, like you mentioned, you watch him on film. He looks smaller than 5, 10. He plays like, he looks like he's like five, eight. He does. A height you've never seen before making all these throws down the field and elusive within the pocket.

But yeah, if I see a guy like that, you know, you want to, you know, in the National Football League, you want to make a statement when you hit him. You want to make sure he realizes what it takes. If you're going to run, you're going to feel this pain afterwards. So will he run as much whoever decides to draft this guy? Hopefully not because a guy his size, in my opinion, doesn't last. You know, if you have a guy like Andrew Luck who's a bigger guy who stands in the pocket and he's taking his beatings over the years, you know, it kind of, you have to equate the size as a factor of him, you know, exposing himself and getting hurt. By the way, I ask this to anybody that plays, DeQuil Jackson, if you're listening on radio, who was the best player?

So you would deal with some interior linemen? Yes. Who was the best player in the NFL that you faced? Competition, combat, blocking, one-on-one, hands, arms, size, mobility. Oh, man. The one name that comes to mind is Alan Fannica. Thank you. So I had my welcome to the NFL moment against Alan Fannica.

It was, oh my gosh. Again, it's Pittsburgh. I get my number called. I get a chance to bless. You know, I'm a rookie. I'm thinking, okay, this is my opportunity. And I didn't realize how smart offensive alignment actually are until I met Alan Fannica.

I was blitzing up the A-Gap. He was chipping on another guy. He was eyeballing me. I run through thinking I have a free lane to hit Big Ben. Next thing you know, I'm in the air. The trainers are around me. They score. And it's like, what the hell just happened?

And it was Alan Fannica. So every time I played Alan Fannica, it was just like that moment, I had to play my best game because I knew he was going to bring it. He knocked you out. Yeah, he knocked me out. He knocked me out, which was rare, but he was, he was just, he was a man child. He was hard to, he was hard to play against.

That's great. I cannot believe you. I was sitting there waiting and I'm thinking, okay, Steelers, is there going to be a guy? Yeah, yeah. Alan Fanika was my guy. He was my guy. So if Alan Fanika is watching, thank you, because he made me a tougher player. I guarantee you that.

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