The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 04/19/2019

Episode Date: April 19, 2019

Colin says there are great NBA players and then there is Kevin Durant because he has completely separated himself as the best player in the league.  He says the difference in NFL schedules will be the difference in one team winning the NFC North.  Plus, 3x College Football  National Champion and new FOX CFB Analyst Urban Meyer tells Colin why Dwayne Haskins isn't ready just yet to lead a franchise.  Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So last night, and I've been saying this now for the last month, Kevin Durant's the world's best basketball player. He does not have Magic Johnson's charisma. He does not have kind of Michael Jordan's, I guess almost used the word charisma. He's not an icon at 16 years old like LeBron James, but at different times, Magic was the world's best basketball. player. Michael was the world's best basketball player. LeBron was the best basketball player for about 10 years. And Kevin Durant's now the world's best basketball player. Last night was a clinic.

He got poked in the ribs. Got poked in the ribs. Steve Curry even poked him in the ribs a little bit. He came out last night. Game was over in eight minutes. Best basketball player in the world. I mean, the guy's unbelievable. Yonis, sorry, doesn't shoot threes, doesn't handle the ball like KD. Steph doesn't have his size, his length. James Hart. He doesn't have his overall game, not the defender, not the length, not his athletic. This is the world's best basketball player. I'm not saying the gap between him and LeBron is gigantic, but this is it. This is what it looks like.

Okay? And when he joined the Golden State Warriors, he joined it for basketball reasons. He's like, I can't win titles with Crazy Westbrook. He joined it for basketball reasons and winning basketball. Those are the right reasons. This is why he shouldn't go to New York, because he's not joining New York for basketball reasons. I had dinner about a week ago with Mark Few, the coach of Gonzaga. And I asked him, he was at the mini camp this summer with USA basketball, and Hardin was there, and Westbrook was there, and Kevin Durant was there.

And I'm not going to give away most of the private conversation, but I did ask him about Durant. And he just laughed. Mark Few just laughed. He went, man, man. You know who else had that response? Mike Shishowski, the first time he was asked about LeBron James, that he saw him. I remember that. His Shishchevsky was like about LeBron, man, when talent evaluators like Mark Few and Mike Shishchevsky can't explain a guy.

It's like, wow. Yeah, yeah, you can't stop that guy. I mean, that is what you have right now. And last night he got poked in the ribs and completely dominated the game. And here's what I say. When you work your entire life to be great at something, LeBron worked his entire life to be great. at something. And you become the best at something, what Kevin Durant is. You keep your foot on the pedal. Okay, now LeBron James went to Los Angeles, and I understood it because he'd been the best basketball

player in the world for about a decade or more. And you can make an argument. LeBron said, listen, I can sense it. I'm not quite the same player. I don't have the energy. I'm going to move into business. I got that with Michael Jordan, and I get it with LeBron. But that's not the case with Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant's got three to four more prime years. He's worked his entire life to be the best basketball player in the world. He is it. You do not move away from basketball. Now, if he wants to come back with a new arena and then maybe he gets banged up a little and then he thinks, you know what, man, I'm on the back nine. And then Kevin wants to go to New York. I get it. But last night was another example. He is just crazy. The NBA is full of great basketball players. Even among the

greatest basketball players. Yonness, Steph, Hardin, Durant's a notch above. He just, he gets his shot whenever he wants it. And Marcus Thompson covers him. He's writing a book on Kevin Durant. We had him at the end of our show yesterday, Marcus Thompson. He's got the closest relationship with Kevin Durant, any money in the American media. It was a fascinating interview. I just sat here just asking quick questions and listening. And again, he's not magic personality-wise. He doesn't have the charisma, doesn't dress like Jordan, who always looked like a model. He doesn't have the iconic 15 years old, the chosen one like LeBron. But he's a different cat, but he's unbelievable.

Here's Marcus. Kevin Durant, you got to work to get to him, right? Like, he makes you work. He is so personable. Like, he's a human. Like, he's the most human guy I've ever covered. Really? Yes, no question.

He feels like he talks to you. He feels what you're saying. You can have an existential conversation with him. No question. Like he loves to talk. You know, when he gets mad at you, he's going to let you know. When you say something funny, he's going to laugh. Like, he's that way.

Kevin Durant is like, you go in there, you pride him. You know, you're going to get something from him off the bat. Yeah. So again, we've had different times in the history of the NBA, and I've watched it for four decades. Sometimes the best basketball player, Kareem was kind of aloof and quiet. Sometimes the best basketball player, Magic Johnson had a huge personality.

Sometimes he's been polarizing LeBron James. Kevin's the best basketball player in the world. And he's not like everybody else. He's a little more sensitive. He's real. You poke him. He responds. But God, last night was a clinic.

He's just a clinic. There's great. And then there's Durant. And it's an amazing place to be in your life. You work your butt off your entire life to be the best radio guy, the best landscaper, the best lawyer, the best what-evs, and you get there. You don't take your foot off the gas. You take your foot off your gas in four years when you're out of your prime and you want to go to

New York. You don't take it off now. You stay in basketball, Nirvana in Oakland, and you win every last game you can. All right, let me shift to this. I got to admit, I looked really. I looked really smart last night. Weren't you watching that Sixers game and gone, I hate Cowherd? I hate that guy.

Come on, you Philadelphia fans. Admit it, you don't like me. Some of you Eagle fans have churned. You like me a little. But you Sixer fans don't like me, but last night you sat there watching on your black and white TV in Philadelphia, and you're like,

the coward's right. We're better when Simmons is the star in M. Bede sitting. So I said yesterday, last night is what the Philadelphia 76ers should look like going forward. Ben Simmons has got the ball, no center clogging up the middle, and a bunch of JJ Reddicks,

and Butler's and Tobias Harris on the outside. That is the future. Joel Embed not playing showed you what it should look like. You cannot have two guys in the NBA on your roster that can't shoot threes. So you better pick one, Simmons, who can at least get the ball to guys who can shoot threes. Get it to Reddick. Get it to Butler. Get it to buy as, Tobias Harris.

Okay. Oklahoma City had the same situation where Hardin and Westbrook, they had to make a choice. and Westbrook at the time was slightly more developed in his game than Hardin was with his. And they chose Westbrook. But they didn't watch where the NBA was going and it was going in Hardin's direction, not Westbrook. And they didn't have the vision. And so they chose the more developed player in the moment. And this morning, Embedd is more complete in his game than Simmons is in his.

Simmons is still evolving. Embed, this is the product. And Embed's product, today is better than Simmons. But basketball isn't just about what it used to be and what it is. It's about where it's going. And it's going to Simmons. Number one, I'm not into Biggs. It used to be.

My favorite player was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for years. But I'm not into Carl Anthony and Anthony Davis and Embed. I mean, I think they're great players. Show me them leading their franchises to playoff wins. Because that's all this sport's about. It's about the postseason. Number two is I'm not into Biggs who get hurt. Anthony Davis hurt a lot.

Mbid is still missed more games than he's played for the Sixers. I'm not making that up. By the way, out last night. Last year, Miami, out two games. He's hurt a lot. B, C, excuse me, you could get a ton for Joel M. Bid on the market. Of course you go. He's a great player.

And he walks into an arena, he's 27 points and 12 rebounds. He's fun, he's social, he can be dominating. There's got to be a team in this league that doesn't have shooters or bigs, and they got some assets and draft picks, and they want to have a dominant player. Heads an All-Star, one of the 10, 12 best players in America right now. He's got value. Don't tell me to have value. Anthony Davis has value.

A big who gets hurt and doesn't have a lot of playoff resume stuff. But be very careful. Basketball is changing. We have a renaissance going on. Houston Golden State is the way to do it. Philadelphia. Colin, why do you have to get rid of either of them? Have you watched the Sixers this year?

Second best roster in the NBA to Philadelphia. are a number three seed in the east? They'd be a number six, seven seed in the West. And the second best roster in the NBA. Warriors, Philadelphia, Houston. And, you know, then you can argue, Milwaukee, Boston. So the bottom line, Mbid, who's already been hurt, before he gets hurt big, this is what you should look like.

Get Simmons the ball. If you have a big with Simmons, it'll clog up the lane. And he's going to score 90% of his points in his career at the basket. He's a six, ten and a half point. Outside of magic, I've never seen anybody who even looks like Ben Simmons at point. And he's going to give you last night, 31 points. He's going to give you 24 a night at the rim. And Embedd can give you 27 at the rim,

but Embedd can't get it to shooters and control the tempo like Ben Simmons. And I like Embed. Yesterday I unveiled my 12 best basketball players in the NBA. I had him beat at like six. He is more refined today than Ben Simmons. he is and westbrook and hardin back when they had to make a decision westbrook was a more complete player at that moment that harden who was still developing but don't get caught up in the moment this is why there's great stock pickers in america on wall streets not just the stock price today

what's it going to be in six years the sixers last night that's what they should look like give me redick on one wing give me tobias on another give me butler on another you trade ambi to get another shooter somewhere, maybe a draft pick, go draft next year, the best shooter you can find. But that's the NBA tomorrow. Today, it looks more like M.B. Every year, less and less like that and more like Simmons. Good stuff. By the way, it was kind of ironic.

In Brooklyn, they were teasing Ben Simmons. They had these missing posters on like polls in Brooklyn. Ben Simmons jumpers missing. Yeah, who was missing? Embed didn't play. This image was great. That's guy on the floor. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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By the way, folks played college football at Cincinnati. He was a defensive back and he would hit you. I know all about Urban Meyer. Okay. Now let's get the stuff that I'm fascinated with. Dwayne Haskins. Okay, I said the New York Giants have the number six picks. So I watched him in Ohio State.

He's a perfect pocket guy. He moves. I don't love his accuracy. But here's my problem. You had so many good receivers at Ohio State this year that so many of his yards, a lot of drag. You get Paris Campbell the ball. Boom.

He's gone. How much is Duane and how much are the receivers? I don't remember you having this many good, speedy receivers. How much credit does he get and how much was your offense and the receivers, coach? I think that's a great analysis. I think that we've had, you go Alex Smith to Chris Leak to Tim Tebow to Cardell Jones, J.T. Barrett, Praxton Miller was in there. He's by far the most accurate guy. I put him a lot with the same with Alex Smith that we had. But the job of a quarterback is utilizes his personnel, and that's what he did.

We had very good receivers. And the other thing is accuracy is number one, number two is football IQ is outstanding. Ryan Day did a great job with him, but he never really got hit. and he had the great, you know, he has great peasants to understand which way to flip the protection. And that's going to be, I think that's one of the most overlooked things for quarterbacks. What's his football IQ? Because when you see him not get hit, you say, well, the offense line is great. Wait a minute.

A lot of times they're flipping protections to make sure they're picking up the pressures. And that's what other than accuracy, that's drawing strength. Okay, when he moves his accuracy dip, should I be concerned? His movement is just okay. He's not, but I saw his body the other day. when he was training. He's still young. He has one year under his belt playing. He's growing up into his body. And that's a concern, but not that big concern. Is he mature enough to be the face of a $5 billion franchise? Not yet. He's close, though. He's only got one year under his belt,

and I think the situation will be perfect. And there's a couple of them out there. He comes in, he learns for a year. At some point, he'll be the face of a franchise. Okay, because the Giants are $6 billion franchise eventually. And there's a lot of heat in New York. You put him behind Eli, show him how to be a pro. That worked for you? A lot of conversation about that. Without studying in a great detail, I think that's ideal. Okay. Now I want to talk about Nick Bosa. So when Joey came out years ago, I said this on the air.

I said he's either going to be great or a bust because I watched him. He took a bunch of plays off. And I said, I like my edge rusher. Sometimes I'll give a 330-pound defensive tackle some plays off. A lot of body weight. I look at Nick, and it's just what my eyes tell me, there's a little little brother I like in him. He's feistyer.

and when your brother's great, you want to prove you're as good as your brother. I actually like this Bosa, and the other one's great, more than the other one. There's something about his motor. Okay, so what am I seeing, explain? Because you had both.

Well, it's a great family lineage, too. His father was a first-round draft pick out of Boston College. His mother's brother was Eric Cumro. And so that's another first-round draft pick. Nick Bosa is as good a football player, He's a tough cat. He's a 3.3 GPA guy. He does everything right.

When he went down, it took us two months to get over that. That's how good of a player is. I don't know if there's a Kent miss, but if I'm a general manager in the NFL, I don't know how you let that one go. That's how good a player he is. Really? He's that good.

You have to double him. Khalil Macchish. Yeah, you have to chip him, double them. You have to slide to him. There's different ways that people are going to try it. But his four to six, well, we call four to six A to B, his relentless pursuit of a quarterback and effort is as good as I don't see him take plays off.

No, he's an animal. He's an animal and not. And he just trains like an animal too. He's the entire package. Okay, I want to go to the number one pick, Kyler Murray. So when I think of you, Urban, I actually think of offense and I think of quarterbacks. People forget how good Chris Leak was because Tebow was so dynamic and so, you know, he was just, Tim Tebow was college football for about three years. People forget Chris Leak was unbelievable. A tremendous player, very cerebral, but he didn't have the size for the NFL. So you've had a lot of different quarterbacks. You know, at runners, Alex Smith can run. So like straight line speed big time. So I look at Kyler Murray and I'm like, okay, it looks small to me. I know he put on 10 pounds here. It looks

like he plays at 188. I draft Bosa as a zero doubt, size speed. Is it, when you look as a guy who knows quarterbacks, can't I say it looks like he plays at 188? Kyler looks small to me. I think the Russell Wilson has given every small quarterback, a glimmer of hope, because you'd think logically to put a 5 foot 10, 5 foot 11, however big Kylear is behind these, you know, these giant human beings, that doesn't make sense. But the coach did a great job, getting him out of the pocket, creating throwing lanes for him, and he's arguably, you know, we had Braxton Miller. He looks to me like a Braxton Miller back there.

I mean, a guy that can extend plays, elite, elite athlete, and obviously has an elite arm. Here's the question. He has one year body work. Those are the two top quarterbacks in the NFL draft right now. They played one year of football. And you're talking about quarterback experts or the guy, usually it takes four to five years to learn how to play that position.

Those would be my concerns about our guy, Dwayne and Kyler. I mean, they have one year. If you ran an NFL franchise and you're a college guy and that's what you love. And I think it works. You and Nick Sabin, I think your personalities work for college. You're both great recruiters and personnel guys. Not that you couldn't work at the next level, but if you did run an NFL franchise today,

would you take the bigger Dwayne, the athletic guy? I think I would sit in that room and I'd struggle with the size. Maybe I couldn't get over it. Because everybody says Russell Wilson, coach, Russell's one of the best players I've ever seen play the game. That's not fair. I'm not saying you said. Everybody's saying Russell Wilson,

I'm like, does everybody get Russell Wilson's a first belt hall famer? Could you take Kyler number one? I could. Would I take him head of Dwayne? I'm not sure. You said the same thing about Russell Wilson. I'll say the same thing about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. That's so hard to be the guy that can't get out of trouble. And I look at Peyton Manning and I look at Tom Brady. I mean, I've coached that position forever, been around, stand right behind him in practice. That's why it's so hard to find the pure classic dropback quarterback that's exceptional. I think if I'm a guy, if I'm a general manager, you have to have to have. have a quarterback can get out of trouble. I believe Duane can do that. He's not going to be

the Kyler Murray and he's not going to be Russell Wilson, but he's good enough to get yourself out of trouble. And that's a huge part of playing quarterback. Yeah. So you, Bowling Green, you turned around immediately. Utah, you turned around immediately. Florida, you turned around immediately. Ohio State, you turned around immediately. Bill Parcells is the only person in the history of football that I can compare you to. Takes Nick a while. Took Belichick a while. It didn't take you a while. Didn't take you a while. Didn't take parcels. What's the secret sauce into quick turnarounds? Because if you're a Miami, if you're a jet coach and Adam Gase, you know, you're looking for a quick turnaround.

Like, what is your secret sauce on that? I appreciate those kind words. And I think I talked to a lot of young coaches about this. I think it's this. I think it's not secret sauce. It's when you see a coach take over program, a lot of times you'll hear the media and you'll hear sometimes coaches say, wait till I get my guys in here. The minute you say I'm the coach, they're your guys. And you better love them. You better grind them and you better embrace their talents and not say, wait till I get my own guys in her. That drives me insane when I hear that. So we go to Bowling Green, they're great players there. You never take a shot at the previous

coach. You don't do that. You embrace it. You take, you love these guys up. They're your family now. And, you know, I just think that's, you look at, we took over from, at Bowling Green from great coach, Gary Blackneigh, took over for Ron McBride at Utah. He was terrific. Ron Zuck, great coach. And he's Jim Trussel and Luke Fickle, great coaches. So we would never go backwards and say, well, you know, don't worry about that. They're your players. Love them up. Create that team.

They are your guys. And I used to hear the media say, well, he gives his own guys in there. These are our guys. The minute you sign on as head coach, they're your players. So the NFL draft is interesting because, you know, you do this. You see a high school kid and he dominates physically. And then you get him to Ohio State. And some guys, they just don't love football.

And then DeBos, they love football. they love football. So you've recruited a lot of five-star guys and they play like three-star guys. And you've taken, I could name guys, you've taken who are three-star guys and play like five-star guys. So you're sitting there if when Belichick calls you and Bill's going to, Bill's called you a hundred times. And like how much of football, obviously there's a, there's a sized thing that matters. But when you and you and Belichick, as much as you could tell me have a conversation, it seems like a lot of times Bill doesn't get caught up solely in that. that Bill has built an NFL dynasty that's double the length of the Niners, triple the lengths of Jimmy Johnson.

It's unheard of. A conversation with Bill, what moves Bill on players? The same thing that moves me, and I think the people that do the research on players, Bill Belichick's one of the few head coaches that comes and spends time with our staff. He wants to know, because he has the measurables, 40-yard dash, vertical jump, height weight, 225 bench press test. To him, that's called measurables. inmeasurables. Here's the question I have when I recruit. Let me see him in the rivalry game.

On fourth down, why is that coach not running behind that right tackle if he's your best player? On fourth down or the big situations of the game, why is he not showing up? I don't want to see the highlight tapes of him against an inferior opponent where he's running touchdowns and sacking quarterbacks. That means no difference. So to me, it's the competitive spirit in the hardest situations. And we said, when I needed to do the most, did you give us your very best? That's what makes Bosa Bosa now. He's going to play his best in the best games. And when we go out recruit, the mistakes we made

or when we say he's got the talent, but he just doesn't show up in the big game, I fight that big time. And I know Coach Belichick and the elite coaches, to me, they're the ones always asking me those questions. What's he like against our rival? What's he like on fourth down? Is he the guy that you're going to run behind?

Is he the guy that you're going to give the ball to? Those are the guys that have the competitive heart to be champions. Rich McKay told me years ago. You know, Rich, Atlanta Falcons, he used to run the Buccaneers. He said, I love watching Saturday night SEC games. Who stars? That's 100,000 people. You're 19 years old.

He goes, if you can star in that environment at 19, at 24, you can star for us against the Saints on Monday night football. To your point, big games, big moments, who stars in the SEC on a Saturday night? Competitive spirit. That's the difference between it's not tall, short, fast, slow. It's competitive spirit. Every coach whiffs on somebody. What's the recruit you're proudest of in your life?

You found a guy, he was ignored, and it was I told you so. Oh, man, you put me on the spot there. That's what I do. It's a journalist dude, coach. Well, I think J.T. Barrett would be the guy that was not a highly recruited guy. I'm not claiming I found him because actually Tom Herman found him, but brought him to me, brought him to me. And here he goes down at one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play at Ohio State. Talk about a big game quarterback.

Oh, yeah. And, you know, my Fox college football team analyst, they were giving me a hard time saying, third down in one, we knew what you were going to do when you had JT. And I was like, you're damn right because he couldn't stop it. JT. Bear for a first down. All right, here we go. Let's bring out the new crew, Fox College Football Saturday afternoon show. Rob Stone, Reggie Bush, Brady Quinn, Matt Linerd.

Let's bring him out. Rob Stone, you have your hands full dealing with these guys. You have to deal with the line. It's 31. 31. I know just to hand it to Urban. Just keep, feed the machine. So college football, this is our new crew of all the guys here.

And I think I've known all of you. Brady's probably the guy I haven't known. You're very outspoken. And that's what I love about. No, the guy I haven't spent the time with it. You know what's Notre Dame guys. We fire shots, right? You got to watch out.

So let me ask you about, I want to ask you a draft question. So you have all these quarterbacks out here. Now, last year I thought, boy, these are a bunch of A's or potential A's. This year I look at them, I say, they could be good. but they feel like they all need to be developed. If I said Brady to you, what quarterback you've got the number one pick or a top pick? Who pops for you? Dwayne Haskins for me.

I mean, it's not because coach is sitting right there. We tend to agree upon it. I got a chance to break him down a number of times this past year. And I think one of the things you saw throughout his game is he has a strong understanding of where the weaknesses are in the defense, what they're asking him to do, how to execute it, but also how he can exploit what the defense is trying to take away. So I looked at his game the way he throws the football. He can make every throw.

He's accurate. And I think the one thing that I even noticed a little bit, and coach, correct me if I'm wrong, we saw him earlier in the year and we saw him later in the year. Better player. Well, not only even a better player, you saw him grow as far as a leader and just the way he talked to you.

He had more confidence. He had a little bit more bravado, if you will, as far as how he handled things. So that kind of came off to me is, yeah, he's only got one year of starting, but he's going to be able to grow and to continue to progress. and I think what they asked them to do at Ohio States can be very similar in the NFL.

Okay, now, Matt, it's interesting because I struggled evaluating you out of college. I've joked to this. Much like an Ohio State at USC, when you've got NFL guys up front, you don't face duress a lot. When you have at Paris Campbell, or you have a Steve Smith at USC, do you worry about Tua next year or Dwayne this year that you don't, you got better players around you.

USC, you go to the NFL, and you don't. Do you worry about that with Haskins? No, I don't. I think, you know, like coach says, and he would know this better than any of us, any of us, but Duane was really good at getting the ball out fast and understanding, like Brady said, understanding where defenses are trying to do to you offensively,

where you're trying to exploit an offense, and the smart quarterbacks, even if they're not the most mobile, or even if they have a great offense line, they understand where the ball needs to go and they understand where it needs to go quickly. And, you know, for me, obviously, I played behind a great offense line,

one of the best. I had great players around me. And when you do transition to the NFL, one of my, I think, positive my game was I was smart. I knew where the Blitz was coming. I knew where to get the ball out. So with Dwayne, I do think there's a small sample size. There's a one-year sample size. But the sky is a limit for this kid.

And I think if he goes to a place where he can sit and understand, he's a big kid. I mean, he's a big kid. And I think if he can sit for a year or two and understand and get used to the speed of the NFL game, that's another thing, the speed and the size. he's got a chance to be a star. Coach is chopping at the vet. You want to say something? I'm just looking at these two beautiful quarterbacks

and then, Rob, right between them. Here's what I need. There's a two-way. No, I need this table. You're sitting on top of this? I need this table. Yeah. That's the way the world should be.

We have Lysman, Heism. By the way, I don't think this table was made for me. I've known Robb's. I've known Robbie for about 25 years, a soccer player. We used to work in Tampa together. poor Reggie, you're a running back.

If this interview was 15 years ago, I wouldn't even care about these guys. What's it like to hang around quarterbacks, and it's all guys like me talk about now? I'm enjoying it. Obviously, me and Matt have a great relationship. We go back a long time and just getting to know Brady, Rob, coach.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to building the chemistry. We've already been taking little cheap shots at each other, having fun, and that's really what it's all about, is recreating that chemistry on TV and allowing people to see. just the authentic and genuine side of us. Great stuff. Guys, congrats to all of you.

Coach, it's great to have yelling team. Reggie, Matt, Rob, and Brady Quinn. Congratulations to all of you. Thanks, Colin. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed the game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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It's about showing up, even when it's hard. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. According to Ian Rappaport, NFL reporter at Rapsheet, Raiders coach John Gruden and GM Mike Mayock sent their scouts. home for the weekend and they're not expected to return by draft time. The belief is they don't know who to trust and wanted to clear the room. Excuse me? What?

Are we sure this is not a fake Ian Rappaport tweet? Well, is that his account? Okay. You tell me. I mean, this is crazy. First of all, the Raiders sort of got hosed with their schedule. So did Tampa Bay. the London games, basically Tampa Bay and Oakland have a six-week stretch in which they don't play.

They play four times on the road. Then they go to London. Oakland does. They already got hosed by their schedule. NFL admitted today it's not ideal for Tampa or Oakland, and Oakland doesn't play at home for about five, six weeks. And their division's really good. But that London thing's not going away because British shockers getting more popular in America and the NFL is getting more popular in Europe.

Billionaires are seizing market share in other countries. It's called globalization. it's going nowhere. But the Raiders are just too much noise, all sorts of pots and pans, throwing on a hardwood floor. They've got, they just acquired the number one diva in the NFL, Antonio Brown. They got rid of a great player, Khalil Mack. That made last year noisy.

They got rid of Amari Cooper to the Cowboy, so everybody talks about that move. They hired John Gruden, who's the number one NFL analyst at a network. He's one of the more talkative head coaches. In fact, the two guys now running their organization are, former TV analysts. They're moving to Vegas. They have three draft picks in the first round, which is great, but it's unheard of.

They are just, they are built for hard knocks. Seriously, I think they'd be a better TV show than a football team. This is unbelievable. Gruden and Mike Mayock sent their scouts home for the weekend. They're not expected to return by draft time. The belief is they don't know who to trust and wanted to clear the room. For the record, let's, schedules came out yesterday, right? And I'm into that stuff or Wednesday night.

Let's go over the Raiders schedule and play the win-loss game. Because last year I was out on the Raiders, got a lot of heat from people in Los Angeles, and I was right. I'm not much higher on him now, although I do think offensively they're going to be fun to watch. And I did give Gruden credit because I thought the Raiders played pretty well late in the year when everybody could have quit on John Gruden. The players did not quit on John Gruden, so he deserves credit. Let's play the win-loss game. Open up with Denver at home. I'll give him a W.

Denver in Denver early. You don't want to play them, but Denver on the road, W. then their schedule gets brutal. Kansas City, they're going to get whacked. At Minnesota, at Indy, they're not winning those games. Minnesota is not great at quarterback. They're great everywhere else. You're not beating Andrew Luck in a dome.

They go to London. They'll get mauled by Chicago. They're not beating Aaron Rogers in Green Bay. So they're going to start the year 1 in 5. I'll give them an upset win. They'll be an underdog at Houston, mostly because I think they're upgrading their defense through the draft, and Houston's O-line is bad.

I'll give them a double-you-over Detroit. What do you know, a two-game winning streak? But then they've got to face the Chargers loss. Cincinnati will win. Despite what all you kids think, traveling 3,000 miles to play the jets, that's not going to be good for them. That's a loss. Mahomes loss.

Tennessee is going to be a borderline playoff team. That's a loss. They'll beat Jacksonville, lose to the Chargers. Denver late in the year, it's snowing sideways, but I'll give them a W there. I have them sweeping the Denver Broncos. I don't think they have better players necessarily, but I'll give you a sweep over Denver. And I know what you're all saying. Colin, you don't have a clue.

That's six wins, six and ten. You know what Vegas has them at? Six and a half. I'm not that far off. That's what the season looks like. They're going to be noisy. They're going to be fun. They're built for hard knocks.

But this story today is another reason. I can't buy the Raiders. It's just a mess. They got, they got, you just don't want to be loud. This year, the Steelers got loud. They got noisy underachee. Green Bay this year, McCarthy Rogers. They got noisy.

Here's who didn't make any noise. at Indy made the playoffs. New England won the team. Rams didn't hear anything, didn't hear much for the Chargers. You know, I'm hearing a ton from the Raiders. I'm hearing a lot from Cleveland. Noise is not good in this league. Seattle was good, and then they got noisy. And last year, you know what? Seattle got quiet. And Seattle got better. This league is not about making noise. NBA is a soap opera. It's part, I mean, I think the NBA playoffs and the soap opera is better than the regular season. I don't mind a little noise in the NBA. I never have because I think the great players like Kyrie and Durant, what did I say going into the NBA playoffs? I said, listen, Kyrie a lot of noise,

Kevin Durant, a lot of noise. Stars shut it down in the playoffs, historically in the NBA. I'm not bothered that LeBron would make noise in the regular season. Durant, Kyrie, they're all fine. NFL, noises losses. And Cleveland's making a lot of noise. And Oakland's making a lot of noise. And Oakland's making a lot of noise. And last year, the quiet teams, even though they had stars, the Rams were quiet, the Patriots were quiet. Seattle got quiet. Philadelphia had a lot of stars. Yeah, pretty quiet. Man, what a mess. They sent the scout homes. That'd be like having a movie and sending your cinematographer, your producer, and your camera guys home right before the movie starts. Apparently, the way it makes it sound or not are you going to be around for the draft? Are they

going to be in the war room? They don't know who to trust. Be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. I don't know how I would have handled this situation, but I am blown away by how Josh Rosen is handling it. Imagine getting a job. And then the organization doesn't really know what it's doing. They have a head coach. They fire him. They have an offensive coordinator. They fire him. You're saddled with all that nonsense. They do a hype video yesterday. The Arizona Cardinals, don't put Josh Rosen in it. We hammered him for it. They were listening. I had a lot. I had.

had that verified. And an hour later, they changed the hype video to put Josh Rosen in it. Josh Rosen has been dealing with crap for a year in Arizona. Nothing but garbage. Okay, they got the fourth best roster in their division, one of the bottom five rosters in the NFL. They can't get the head coach right. They can't get the coordinators right.

And now there's been this eight-week love fest with Kyler Murray, the five, you know, nine quarterback, five-10 quarterback at Oklahoma. And the whole time Josh Rosen hadn't said a word. Well, yesterday he was quoted. He came out, he was talking about with some friends. They followed him around. And I think the kid is really handling it like a pro. I definitely understand the situation.

I mean, it's annoying, but like it is what it is. Football is a business, and I definitely respect the higher-ups and their decisions. I think the season probably went as poorly as it could possibly go. But within that, it had an unbelievable time. We won three games, and each one of those wins, To me, it felt like I won the Super Bowl. I got to tell you, poise under noise is a big thing for me. I like Josh Rosen more and more.

I like him more and more. I think of him, Arizona. I keep him. I take Nick Bosa. I get the best football player in the draft. The two best football players in the draft are Quinn and Williams from Alabama and Nick Bosa at Ohio State. Those are the two best football players.

All my scouts are like, those are the two best players. Nick Bosa may end up going two if, if Eric Bosa. Arizona goes with a quarterback. Today, I'm about getting better. I draft Nick Bosa for 10 years. I have an elite pass rusher. The pass rusher outside of the quarterback is about the most important position in football. Get a quarterback. Get a guy who can get their quarterback. But I'm Josh Rosen handled this way better than I would have. If you brought me to Fox Sports and within a year, they were talking about replacing me. And I'm supposed to sit there for 12 weeks and not say a word. I'm not sure how I'd handle it. And I'm in my 50s. This kid's in his early 20s.

So I'm on Team Rosen now. I understand the concerns about his health. That's always been to my number one issue. He was a little brittle at Arizona, excuse me, at UCLA, and Arizona got a bad old line. That worries me. I mean, that worries me. If I was Arizona and I could trade down and get offensive linemen, I would.

But they got the number one pick. Go get the best player available at that spot. Get Nick Bosa. I think the kid's handling it way better than I would have. Not a peep. I mean, yesterday they release a hype video. They don't put him in it. They have 15 quarterbacks get pictured.

He's not one of them. Is it looked maybe like they don't know what they're doing in Arizona sometimes? Coach can't get it right. Coordinator couldn't get it right. Hype video can't get it right. Fourth best roster in the division can't get it right. Rosen, I'm starting to think he deserves a better organization. All right.

Let me shift to this. I have a rule in life. new information equals new opinion. I know what some of you say. Colin, he is a flip-flopper. Well, no, I get new information and I change my opinion. I mean, if Tom Brady went down, broke his leg tomorrow, I have a new opinion on New England.

That's the way stockbrokers work, pilots work. Smart people in America change their opinion all the time because they get new information. Okay, dumb guys, hey, I said this nine years. go. This is how I think. Well, there's new information. I don't care. I'm a man of my word. You're a dumb man of your word. Change your opinion all the time if you get new information. So the schedules came out this week. I don't think a hard schedule takes a great team and makes

them bad. I don't think an easy schedule takes an average team and makes them great. But can the schedule change your season? Yeah, it can be a game or two. Absolutely. You're a young team, a new head coach, you have a brutal opening month, you start one in three instead of three and one, because the schedule's brutal. You're on the road, you're facing elite teams, quarterbacks. So the Chicago Bears are picked by everybody to win their division. I looked at their schedule and this does not look like with Mitch Trubisky a schedule that's going to win the division. First of all, their second week, they're at Denver. Denver doesn't lose at home in Denver. They haven't for years. One of the toughest places to play in early September.

They have a three-game brutal stretch middle of the season where they face Saints, Chargers, and at Philadelphia. That is tough. And that's off the London game. So they come back to the States and they've got to go, Breeze, Phillip Rivers, Carson Wentz. Then at the end of the season, it's brutal. The last month, they faced the Cowboys at Aaron Rogers, Patrick Mahomes, and at Minnesota. Oh, by the way, squeezed in between those two at the L.A. Rams on the West Coast. Vegas only has their over under at nine and a half,

and they went 12 and 4 last year. So Vegas is pulling back big time on Chicago. So am I. I look at this schedule. I'm with Vegas on this. They lost their defensive coordinator. Vic Vonjail's in Denver now. They face him week two.

He knows that personnel. They lost starting safety. I'm with Vegas on this. I think they're around a nine-win team from a 12-win team, a pullback. team. Last year, by the way, I called the Vikings who went 13 wins. I called them a pullback team. I called Jacksonville a pullback team. They pulled back. I think the Bears pull back. They're in the 9-7 category. Also, great defenses, by the way. If you have a great quarterback, your offense is usually good, like the Saints and like New England for 10-10 straight years. Defenses are different. The Vikings

Jags had great defenses. The next year they didn't. The 2016 Giants were 11 and 5 of the great defense. Next year they were 3 and 13. Defense is ebb and flow. And let me go to another team where I think their schedule is beneficial. Green Bay. So Green Bay is in the same division. Most people see them as number two in the division. I think they win the division this year. And here's why.

Look at Green Bay's schedule. They get Denver early in Green Bay. They get tough Philadelphia early in Green Bay. They end the year when it's lousy outside. They have the best quarterback against Minnesota and Detroit, and they're both indoor games in December. That's a big advantage. I get Aaron Rogers indoor last two games of the year in bad climates.

Those could be nightmares if it's blowing sideways in Detroit and Minnesota and you played outdoors. Also, in their toughest part of the schedule, the middle of it, they have an at Kansas City, at Chargers, Carolina by at San Francisco. Well, the Chargers game is going to be a 70-30 packer crowd at the Chargers Stadium. That's a home game. And then they get a buy before they have to go out west so that alleviates a lot of the, you know, problems with that. When I, Green Bay's five of their first seven games were at home with a new coach. Vegas has them at over under nine and a half. I'll go over with Green Bay at 10. So I think the

Bears schedule, Vegas has them nine and a half. I'll go nine. And I think Green Bay schedule, Vegas has them nine and a half. I think they go 10. I think that schedule takes away a game from the Bears and adds a game a win to the Packers. So I don't, I don't think a schedule is going to take a crappy team. You're not going to take, you know, Tampa Bay and make them New England. And you're not going to take New England if they had a hard schedule and make them Arizona. But I think it can affect you. And I think the Bears are a little less of a team today because of that schedule.

And I think the Packers are a little more of a team due to their schedule. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. In every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports

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