The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 05/23/2019

Episode Date: May 23, 2019

Colin has good news for the Eastern Conference ratings, we've finally found another superstar for the Toronto and Milwaukee series and his name is Drake. Kevin Durant and Chris Broussard's ongoing Twitter beef can finally be put to rest today. Can anyone explain exactly what the Raiders’ plans are moving forward? And, Stephen Curry is the human form of "Alka Seltzer" for the Golden State Warriors settling all their issues by simply being himself every day. Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, here we go. On a Thursday, this is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles. Cold again. I heart radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. I know, I know, I know. I sound like such an elitist. It's 55 degrees in Los Angeles. No, I think it's okay. You know what? It's May. It's about to be officially the summer this weekend. Yeah, it'd be nice. It's nice everywhere now. We can complain that it's raining. Come on. I'll allow it. Clouds. Get it together. I don't know what's going on this year. I don't either. El Niño. It's raining every day. Terrible. It's weird. Good to have you in. Chris Broussard and Kevin Durant yell and screaming at each other,

and that's Joy Taylor. It's great to have Joy in today. We finally found the ratings are down 50% for the Eastern Conference Finals. The good news, we found another star for the Toronto Milwaukee series. It's Drake, the hip-hop superstar. So he is an ambassador for the Raptors. And one of the cool things about sports is that when you pick a favorite sport, you're kind of picking a favorite culture. And Drake's up there and he's loud and he's noisy. And the Milwaukee coach, Mike Boodenholzer, has had enough of him hanging around touching coaches. I don't know how much he's on the court. It sounds like you guys are saying it's more than I realize. certainly no place for fans and whatever it is exactly that Drake is for the Toronto Raptors,

you know, to be on the court. You know, there's boundaries and lines for a reason. Listen, this is really an argument about culture. And I'm not going to change anybody's opinion on this, nor am I trying to. I'm going to create, I'll try in the next three minutes, four minutes, to create clarity. Every sport in America has a different culture. All two words. Quiet, please. NASCAR is very southern. Soccer is very the opposite.

International. When you look at baseball, you cannot look at your home run for more than a second. It's about tradition and respect. The NFL is about the shield. It is very corporate. And the NBA, it's a soap opera. It's youthful. It's young.

It's loud. It's fun. I've seen Drake before. It's called Jack Nicholson. It's called Spike Lee. It's the league where Steve Balmer screaming at people as an owner, where Mark Cuban is getting fined by the commissioner for banging on the refs. When you choose a sport, you're actually choosing a culture. And I've said this is why the NFL will always be king in America.

It's Italian food. It's lasagna. It's pizza. It may not be your favorite, but everybody can kind of tolerate it. The NBA, I grew up on the beach. I like seafood. It's more like sushi. You love it or you don't love it at all?

I remember the first time in college I went to McDonald's with a bunch of guys in the car and I ordered a filet of fish and they all freaked out. Gross. Fish. I was like, I grew up on a dock. But I realized if you didn't grow up in a dock, half the people in the country don't like the smell of fish, the taste of fish, the texture of fish. Joy grew up in Pittsburgh, then Miami. She probably likes fish. I do eat sushi, yes.

There you go. But that's the NBA. It's not for everybody. The NFL, even my sister watches it. So when it comes to baseball, tradition, golf, quiet please, NASCAR, Southern, soccer, international. The NBA, Drake's brand is the NBA's brand.

It's a little hip-hop. It's a little youthful. It's a little fun. It's a little loud. It's a little party. It's a little internet. It's a lot of all that stuff. And I'm not going to change anybody's mind on this.

But when you choose a sport, it generally says a lot about your personality. Young, fun, social people like the NBA. Older people who, like tradition, are baseball and golf fans. Southerners, college football, NASCAR. People who've traveled to world. world, appreciate new stuff. They love soccer. So I'm an NBA guy. I like it. I always

have. Keeps me young. And I'm not what you would currently call super young. But I also like the NFL more than anything because it's corporate. My dad was into business. I like business. But I can't convince anybody that is bothered by Drake that I'm okay with it and it's okay because you probably don't like fit, understand the culture.

All right. So my entire life, I have watched this whole Big Brother, Little Brother thing in sports. And what I mean by that is like Yankees are the Big Brother, the Big Brand in a city, and the Mets are the Little Brother. Michigan Football's the Big Brother.

You know, Michigan State's sort of the little brother. And you see that all the time. Lakers are the Big Brother and the Little Brother. and the little brothers, the Clippers. Dodgers, Angels. You see it all the time. See it a lot in college sports.

The big state school, then the second school. University of Texas. He's got a lot of little brothers. It's got Texas A&M. It's got Texas Tech. It's got U-TAP. So right now, there is a belief that the little brother in Los Angeles,

the Clippers, is going to overtake the big brother in Los Angeles, the Lakers, and I'm starting to hear this from everybody on Kevin Durant now the rumor is he's thinking about going not to the Lakers but to the Clippers here's Kendrick Perkins if I'm Katie I think I would really consider going to the Clippers I mean you look at them and it's like they stability man and it's like yeah this is a franchise and you can see Kevin Durant going there is in L.A he could flourish and be himself and

and it would be his team. And I would love to see KD play for a coach like Doc Rivers. The way Doc draws up plays and his play caller, I could just imagine the plays he would draw for Kevin Grant. And that now is gaining momentum and gaining steam. They're going to take over the city. But let me ask you, after six straight losing seasons, who did LeBron pick?

The Lakers. Lakers had the losingest record in the NBA. six years. Last six years. Who did LeBron pick? Best player in the world, face of the league. He picked the Lakers. Who is Kevin Durant considering the Knicks' second worst record in the NBA?

Maybe Katie's considering the Clippers. Maybe Katie's considering Brooklyn. But put me under I'll believe it when I see it. I go to Clippers games every year. and I go to Laker games every year, and there is no question. The Clipper fans, the Clipper tickets, they're giving more away, they're a little less expensive. And I think KD and Kauai could change that. And I do think the power pyramid, the structure, the flow start for the Clippers is way better than the Lakers.

But every time the little brother has a little success, like the Mets over the Yankees, remember that in the 80s, 86, or the A's, the Moneyball A's briefly over the Giants. but the Giants eventually won three world series, and the Yankees eventually won more World Series, and the Angels won in 2002, but it's the Dodgers that keep winning their division, and the Jets had Joe Namath and briefly Rex Ryan, but it's the Giants that win Super Bowls.

The little brother, Michigan State's pretty good, then Jim Harbaugh gets hired at Michigan. Now it's Michigan School and Michigan State, and Michigan's in the bigger games. And it was Auburn for a while, and Alabama hires Nick Sabin, and it's now Alabama winning national championship. and Auburn going to the Capital One Bowl.

Listen. Byron Scott said it yesterday. If you want to come to L.A., I'm a free agent. I'd say look at the Clippers first. Kauai Leonard. I'm Kauai Leonard. I'm getting pursued by both. I think I'd take a harder look at the clippers

because of the stability, what they have. Kendrick Perkins, I'd look at the clippers. Just, I will believe the little brother has surpassed the big brother if Kevin Durant goes to Brooklyn and Kyrie follows him and so does Anthony Davis and Kauai Leonard and Kevin Durant go to the Clippers because my entire life in sports I've seen the little brother

Michigan State football Auburn football I have you know North Carolina State basketball Jim Volvano but eventually North Carolina gets the right coach and they build it up and they win the national championships and that's the way it always works Yes, the Mets were adorable. Keith Hernandez got on Seinfeld and Lenny Dykstra and Wally Backman.

Who did Ayrod go to? Who had Jeter? Who's proud of wild card titles and who's really proud of World Series titles? I think it'd be great at the Clippers Land, KD, and Kauai. I really do. It's fun. But, man, six years of losing for the Lakers, did not dissuade LeBron from coming there. And he may regret it today,

but if the Clippers had the worst record in the NBA for six years and there's probably six years stretches they did, LeBron wouldn't have chosen. Brands are powerful. And the big brand, when they get their you know what together, usually rise over the second brand and they do it really, really quickly. Routing for the Clippers here, be fun.

Routing for Brooklyn here, it'd be fun. I'll believe it when I see it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world,

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Kevin Durant and our Chris Broussard, who will join me in 10 minutes, been fighting all week. It's crazy. There's a lot of stuff back and forth. So Chris was on the radio. And Chris was on, you know, TV here on FS1. He was talking about stuff about, you know, what happens if the Warriors win a couple of rings without Kevin Durant is his worst nightmare. And then Kevin Durant, who like social media, was apparently watching FS1.

Obviously he was. And he went to Twitter and he goes, slight exaggeration, buddy, my worst nightmare. And then, you know, Kevin Durant also pushed back when Chris Broussard talked about, you know, that they had talked a lot texting on the phone. and then Kevin Durant came out and said cap, cap, cap, cap, which I'm told means lie, lie, lie, lie. You don't have my number, man. Chris Broussard said, DM, Twitter, DM texts, all the same, dude, don't act like I'm lying. All right. So my takeaway on this is, first of all, I don't care what the device was.

If you're texting, DMing, Facebooking, Instagramming, Snapchating, anybody 50 times, that's a trusting relationship. most of the time people DM me, I can't get out of it fast enough. I'm not into it, right? I'm just, I don't, very few people I would trust texting or talking to 50 times. You never know if they're going to take those words like this, throw them back at you. So I just stay off the phone as much as I can in terms to DM and text, even with friends. I'm a yes, no guy, right? And so, but I, this is a technicality.

This is, oh, it's not my text, it's my DM. if you are in a relationship with somebody 50 times, I don't care what the device is, okay, this is KD deflecting. This is like when the girlfriend grabs the boyfriend's phone and goes, oh, who's she? And the boyfriend's like, why are you looking at my phone? He's deflecting. He didn't want to talk about why he was talking to another girl on the phone. This is deflecting by KD.

Obviously, Broussard and he have done a lot of times. talking here, and Chris Broussard actually answered this. Play the tape. Let me start this off by saying I like and respect Kevin Durant and am not trying to continue a Twitter beef with him. However, he did challenge my credibility, and I must respond to that. In my telephone, I have more than 60 direct messages from Kevin Durant on Twitter and Instagram since February of 2018.

These were conversations initiated by KD himself. We talked about a lot of the things I talked about on. undisputed and some of these conversations lasted more than five hours. If you want to argue over the difference between a text and a DM in the year 2019, go right ahead. But to me, it's all the same thing. For those of you want me to publish these DMs, it's not going to happen. Out of respect for KD, those texts will remain private. Finally, after all of this, I will continue to love, respect and pray for Kevin Durant and objectively analyze him as a basketball player. So let me go back to this with Kevin Durant.

Actually, I feel jealous because I love Kevin Durant. I talk about it all the time. And I said this year I thought he was better than LeBron. I'm the only guy apparently he doesn't DM. So I'm feeling kind of hurt on this. I was like a little love from Kevin Durant. I moved to your side about four months ago. I haven't had one direct message sent to me.

But here's the second thing. Katie's not playing basketball. Katie's not married. Katie doesn't have kids. Katie has got a lot of time on his hands. And I've even told people I work with, marriage kids get you off the phone. You just got more responsibilities. So single guys, no kid guy, not playing guy.

Some of this says Kevin's got more spare time on his hands, okay? You know, he goes treatments to his phone. Phone to his treatments. But here's the thing about Kevin, and I like him a lot. what Twitter really is, and a psychologist will tell you this, it's just projecting and seeking validation. That's what social media is. Look, my food is perfect. My life is perfect.

I'm beautiful. Nobody puts a bad day on Twitter. Nobody puts a bad day on Instagram. Nobody puts a bad day. It's a seeking validation and projecting tool. Now, all of us do that. I've done it. You've done it.

It's not over time, though healthy. And this is my knock on KD. Is he going to the Knicks potentially because they're going to the Knicks potentially because they're have much better management. No. Is he going to the Knicks because they can pay him more? No, I will always, always support professional athletes if they feel they're underpaid, if they're seeking more money, if they're seeking better bosses, if they're seeking better

teammates. I will support every pro athlete that's ever lived. But if you're going somewhere that has less money and less players and less history and less ownership and less. Isn't that Twitter seeking validation? Like, this is deflecting and projecting and validation. And it's the stuff that worries me that KD is going to make a terrible choice and leave the smartest basketball system in America.

This would be like Duncan leaving the spurs. When you are lucky enough to be around in basketball, Magic Johnson inherited Kareem Smart and Jerry West smart and James Worthy and the bus family and it was just Pat Riley and you don't leave that. And Tim Duncan, he inherits David Robinson and then Greg Popovich and then they get Tony Park. You don't leave that. Man, when you join a family as smart as the Warriors with such good guys, it's so funny, we think of Draymond is the crazy guy. The more I watch the Warriors, he's the glue of the family. And he's the crazy guy.

And my old worry about Kevin Durant isn't this stuff. It's that he'll seek validation. Don't. Seek bosses. Seek teammates. Seek smart. Seek some money. I get money.

But Kevin, please. Give leaving Golden State a second, third, fourth, and fifth thought. Be sure to catch live editions of the Heardtons. weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world,

he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levin this went to a billion dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

Life throws hurdles big and small. The question is, how do you conquer them? On hurdle with Emily Abadi, we sit down with the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, professional athletes, coaches, and Olympic champions to talk about the challenges that shaped them and the mindset that keeps them going. From the WMBA standout, Kate Martin, and rising hockey star, Leila Edwards. If a boy can do it, I don't see why a girl can't. Like, I've never understood that.

Like, it didn't make sense in my brain. It's hard to be in spaces that no one looks like you, but don't ever feel like you don't feel on. Don't let that be the reason you don't do it. An Olympic champs Gabby Thomas and Katie Ladeki. The ability to show a gold medal to someone and have their face light up and smile, that means the world to me.

And that's what motivates me to win more gold medals. At our level, at this scale, like being able to fail in front of the entire world. Like, I can do anything. I can do anything. because resilience isn't just about winning. It's about showing up, even when it's hard. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise.

breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice.

radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't really really. that we are in possession of the thing, and we're still chasing it,

and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro.

Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. So there's a story. John Gruden, Antonio Brown didn't show up for camp. Yesterday he did. John

Gruden was asked about it. And he talked about, you know, this Antonio Brown and the relationship they're building. And here's John Gruden. Listen carefully. I'm not going to get into the relationship business. You know, I think Brown is a great guy. I love having them here. Derek's a great guy. You can't rush a relationship. You just don't have a great relationship in three weeks or two months, something that you got to earn and you got to really work at. And that's why it's important that we spend time together. I'm a little worn out with all the relationships and all the things that really don't matter right now. He's already worn out. Okay, great. He's been there a year. He's worn out.

I could go after Antonio Brown here, but I have a question. What's the Raiders plan? Because we're on the third one in a year. Their first plan was we're not going to pay stars. We're going to accumulate draft picks. That felt very New England to me. I was okay with that. Like it was weird letting go of Khalil Mac and Amari Cooper,

but they did end up with three first round picks. And I thought, okay, just don't get rid of Derek Carr, just keep your quarterback. So that was their first plan. And although I didn't really get giving up Khalil Mack, they did keep a quarterback who I like, and they did accumulate unbelievable pick. So that was a first plan.

Don't pay stars. And then at the end of the season, in free agency, they did the opposite. It felt like the Miami Dolphins. We're going to overpay for everybody. What? Yeah, yeah, we're going to pay Trent Brown the most any offensive linemen ever made. Well, he's the left tackle.

No, we're going to move them to right. What? Antonio Brown, noisy. Okay, you bring him in. And he's great, but man, it's a lot of money. And then there's Terrell Williams, another wide receiver. So now he kind of feel like Miami. Give me a little noise.

I'm going to pay a lot of money. Okay, okay, okay, that's the culture. So it's not no stars. It's paying a lot of money for guys who I don't like as much. And then Draft Night, they went to another plan. Remember Draft Night? They reached for guys who were glue guys and chemistry guys and family guys and great in the, and they're going to build a,

so we're on a third culture now. It was, I don't want stars. I'm going to overpay for guys. I don't even consider stars. And then in the draft, it's going to, I'm going to draft guys. They're chemistry guys. I'm going to reach for them a little bit, but they'll put the glue back together and we'll get. John, pick a lane.

Now you're already worn out from A, B? I mean, I can bang on A, B. But in the end, remember, what is the message? A coach is sending to the locker room. No stars. Just kidding. Glue guys. Where's A.B?

The message started like New England. Then it's Miami. Now it feels like kind of Colts, Philadelphia. I'm lost. And we're a year in. Worn out. I'm worn out. I can't figure out what your messaging is.

One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd. to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. One of the things I like about Charles Barkley, he takes big swings, he doesn't sit on the fence, he's not captain's safe take,

he's not afraid to be wrong. It's one of the reasons I love Barclay. He's funny, he has big opinions, and he's not, you know, half the guy's doing this for a living or petrified to get called out for a wrong opinion. Barclay never is. You know, he said about two weeks ago,

like Steph Curry, Katie's gone, they can't beat anybody. Well, Steph Curry's just elevated his game. Draymond Green elevated his game. Markley came on yesterday. He was on PTI or something. It admitted Cordyzer and Will Bond. He's like, yeah, I was wrong on that whole Steph Curry thing. First of all, I was 100% wrong, but kudos to the Golden State Warriors. Steph Curry has put his name back into conversation, Tony.

When we talk about the best players in the world, we talk about Katie, Janice, Kauai, LeBron. Steph Curry has proven us he's a two-time MVP. Can I just say this about Steph Curry? And maybe his parents get credit for this. I don't know. One of the things I really like about him, I get the same guy every day at work. That's why I love Duncan.

It's why I love Brady. Like when you work with people, there's all sorts of talent in every business. It's hard to work with people. And I'll say this, joy comes in every day. Grindr comes in. How you doing?

Breakfast, do the show. I like that. Like in my life, in my life of broadcasting and radio and TV, I've been doing it for 30 years, I like the same coworkers every day. What if I was coming in one day hungover, one day mad, one day goofy, one day funny, one day joyful, it's hard. Steph Curry's the same guy every day. I like that about it. That's nothing against Westbrook, but man, I get a lot of different Westbrook's. But when you watch that Gotham Choper documentary on Steph Curry, dad, same dad every day.

Husband, same husband every day. Teammate, same teammate every day. He is so his person. And that's why, by the way, that is why, that's when dynasties last longer. When your top player is the same guy every day. Spurs Duncan, that dynasty lasted over 10 years. Brady, that dynasty is almost 20 years. Warriors.

Dynasty's five. It's got another five in it. Like Shaq and Kobe should have lasted a lot longer. but you got a different shack Tuesday to Thursday. That thing should have lasted a lot longer. And Steph Curry's personality is, and that's nothing against KD. Get a little drama. Nothing against LeBron.

Get a little drama. Nothing against Kyrie, Jimmy Butler, M. Bede. But man, I get a different, I get a different dude a lot. And you watch that documentary on Steph Curry, and it's just, he's like human Elka-Seltzer. You know how you have Elka-Seltzer and you're too much salt in your food? And there's disruption down there in the boiler. and you're like, I don't feel good. You do Elka Salter and it just fizzes up and takes it away and you're like,

he's the human Elka Salter. Steve Kerr admitted, he goes, you know, when Draymond and Kevin Durant had their skirmish, Steph was hurt and wasn't around. And so Steph in the room like soothes and sandpapers all the rough edges. This is a current NBA dynasty. Of course they have fights. Of course they have skirmishes. This is about the time this stuff usually blow.

up. And you know what? It's not blowing. I mean, KD. may leave, but he's not leaving going to like everybody. Katie's not, KD may leave for validation. Other thing, but he's not leaving going to like his teammates. Like Steph Curry and maybe his parents get credit for it, but I just love the fact that you just get the same stuff every day. O for 11, same stuff. 12 for 18, same stuff. Win, loss. It's the same dude. And I think dynasties, um, tend to last longer when your star has an even keel demeanor, temperament, or personality. And, you know, a Shaq could be angry. Shaq could be joyful.

Jack could be funny. Shaq could be, give me the ball. Shaq could be a great teammate. And Shaq is all that and more. But that, it's hard to maintain nine years together when you have inconsistent personalities driving the room. And that's just one of the many things I love about Steph Curry. And I love that Charles Barkley admits.

Yeah, I kind of whipped on that one. A lot of different things. Dan Gilbert, owner of the Cavs, was doing all sorts of talking yesterday. And Dan Gilbert is actually a fairly remarkable businessman. He's from Detroit. And he buys Quicken Loans is a company. He goes, creates the Cavs. And then he puts a ton of money back in Michigan and Detroit.

And there's kind of a renaissance. my wife's from there, kind of a renaissance in Michigan and Detroit, building that thing back up. Dan Gilbert, there's times he wears me out and has driven me crazy and I've been very critical of him. But as a businessman, he's really, really good. And, you know, he said something yesterday about LeBron. And it was really interesting. He said, with LeBron, he was talking yesterday, there was a limited shelf life in terms of age and his contractual commitment. It was a win now at all cost.

And, you know, it all kind of revolves around the sun, which is him. and whatever pressure comes with it, it worked out. We won a title. And, you know, he's right. But here's what's interesting is that I'm going to look back, and this is not a knock on Dan Gilbert or LeBron, but they were together 11 years, and we got one title out of it. Now, I know it's Cleveland, so they'll take that title.

But Russell had 11, Jordan 6, Kareem 6, Magic 5, Duncan 5, Kobe 5, shack four. Right now, LeBron's in his 16th year. We got three titles, and I do not see one on the horizon. I'll make an argument, and you can blame Dan or LeBron, but that LeBron Cleveland thing, it didn't give us nearly as many titles as it should. 11 years and one title. People complain that the time he was with the heat didn't give them enough titles. That was four years. This is three times as long and half the titles. Yeah. Like, I'll look back at this, LeBron's career, and I will not ever criticize him for what he is,

which is remarkable. He's the Swiss Army knife of the NBA. Love him. But I'm going to look back and go, Russell got 11, MJ6, Kareem 6, Magic 5, Duncan 5, Kobe 5, Shaq 4, and all those guys were a shot or two away from another title. I don't know, Russell, I didn't watch those.

But 11 years, one city, one title feels like they left a lot on the table. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Well, he played for a decade and a half. He was a five-time All-NBA All-Star, number one draft pick, by way, the way of the magic.

And Chris Weber's on the call tonight, Milwaukee in Toronto. First of all, C-Web, I got to start with this. Juan Howard, your friend gets the Michigan job. Did you call on his behalf? Did you know the process was going on here the last two weeks? I don't care about Michigan calling this, Charles Barker. I was walking with C. Webb. I was watching you earlier.

That's Barclay? I'm the same guy all the time, brother. Where are you guys at? We're walking to lunch. We got to go kiss the boss's ass, Jeff Zucker. He's going to sit down with us for the first time since he took over the job. So me and Chris are going to lunch to kiss his ass a little bit. But I was watching you earlier.

I'm the same guy all the time, brother. I ain't no fake brother. By the way, I just just, spent five minutes complimenting you. I just said. I said, thank you for the kind word. I was watching. Hey, I just called a game, man. I'm walking with C. Webb and lunch, thanks for the kind of a cowher. I know you called for C. Webb, but thanks for the kind of words, brother. Charles Barkley, thank you very much. You know we love you. We talk about you often, and we love all the

guys on TNT. Thank you. And come on anytime you want to come on. All right, CWB. All right, CW. Well, I'll tell you this, C-Web. That's one of the great interview starts I've ever had in my career. That's how you do. You want to get a little love. You bring the man on. How you doing, Colin? I'm doing great.

So give me the Joanne Howard thing. You obviously knew this thing was happening. You guys are friends. Did you call on his behalf? I didn't call on his behalf. Colin, I don't know if that would have helped. I don't know. Can I be on his behalf, you know?

Very honestly, pray with him and, you know, definitely supporting him. But, no, I had no idea that it was going to happen. And it was because I know he wanted this. I've talked to efforts in Miami, talked to him a long time about him working with players and the difference in culture, humble himself to be in that position in the NBA. And so I knew that he wanted this.

And so I'm just so happy for him because a lot of people may think, you know, hey, he's the NBA guy. He wants to know he's the first dude to graduate on time outside of college. When he went to the league early, his junior year, he still graduate on time. Michigan has been special with him.

He recruited me there. I know there's a lot of stories about us going or who's the leader. It's about, you know, him recruiting me there. And so I'm just happy from playing with him in Michigan, playing with him in Washington, actually making a decision to go to one of the worst teams because he was there. Not smart on my part. Basketball friendship and just to see his growth and development, man, I was so happy for it.

So, no, I can't take any credit. I wasn't part of it besides just being his personal cheering section. You know, it's interesting. I was just saying before you came on, the two basketball teams in college that I remember and will forever, fly slamma jamma and the Fab Five. And it does bum me out that the Michigan thing has never been perfect and it doesn't all work together. Do you think there's a possibility that Joanne now getting Michigan does at least bring you guys all a little closer together? because the Fab Five was a culture-changing moment in American sports.

I like college as much as pro back then. Do you think Joanne can mend some fences with all this stuff? I think that one, it's really about, you know, and so I'm going to get to your question, Colin, because it's a great question. But I just want to keep reiterating it's about him, get the job. Yeah. And that if, you know, it's more important that he gets the job

in the Michigan wins and us getting back together. Secondly, a lot. And I definitely wanted to happen. But for me, it was, I want to keep this about Juan. So it is about him. It has to be positive, right? It has to be some good things happening and those type of things. So, yeah, I definitely see this as a great, it couldn't be a better first step in the world than this happening. But we take time to honor him, let him get his feet wet and all that things for that to have. But you know how this, Colin. You have and they make sense. So for me, it's more so like anything to Jade, getting the job, team together, you know, falls in line. But for any of celebrating this and letting this sink in, I don't think it's just cool on our part.

But definitely, yes, I'm with you, brother, and all the good stuff. All right, two questions, and I'm going to let you and Charles sit down and have lunch because I know Charles probably sitting there going, come on, Webb, get off the phone with Cowherd. All right, two questions. Number one, do you think Durrance made up his mind yet? You bounced around this league. You know what guys are thinking. Has he made his mind up, do you believe, or is he still simmer on a bunch of teams?

Okay. So I don't know what he's doing, but I'm going to tell you what I think. I think the clippers are going to get too many. Do not sleep on draft pick Jerry. Jerry West is one of the most influential guys in this league. People trust him. He's with the clippers, and I can see two guys going there. Talks about New York, but I think everybody's sleeping on Clipperland.

and all the messrs going on over in Lakerland right now, but that's just honestly how I feel. So I would not be surprised they got him and Kuwait. I think they're going to get two creations. And I think that they've shown who they are. They're a good organization and great owner and they have, you know, great people in that organization. You see that all they need is some guys to bring them over the top.

I think them getting to the playoffs and not worrying about that draft pick. It wasn't the end of the world, but it was pretty smart of them to say, hey, hey, we put winning first in. And who was that draft pick anyway? You'll see later, but it wasn't worth the risk. And so gone. but if he is going, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a clip. And finally, LeBron James, and I agree with you,

I don't think they're going to land a big free agent. Do you think this morning there's a little bit of LeBron after Magic, retired, or quit, that regrets coming to the Lakers? Or do you think he's all good with it because of the business? Okay, so with LeBron, I don't think there's ever been an athlete. But it's saying that, drops to anybody, but you're going to get me the guy to coach that they got in the ninth place. I got three years left in my career

for a college coach. I know LeBron has won championships for all of his coaches that never won one before I get it. We've heard names because LeBron is such a great coach, but why would you bring in a guy like LeBron? Now, we can talk about all the issues with LeBron.

Bring him in and not bring the coach that he wants. If you don't want to bring the coach he wants, don't bring him in. But he's earned that right now with his championship. It'd be hard to recruit anyway. You can recruit the Indiana with a guy like, how the hell are you going to do that? Yeah, I think he regrets it, or I won't say regressive.

I think that he's, you know, because look, he's going to have the most rest he's thinking, you know, as a basketball fan, we've gotten in all of his career. That's pretty incredible 16 seasons then. So I don't know if he regrets it, but I know that I would believe that he damn sure doesn't like what's going. Charming King. This is where I go to, so I'm sure he's thinking about something. Okay, he's on the call tonight, Milwaukee, Toronto, TNT NBA analyst,

have him on a couple of times a year, Chris Weber. I love you being honest. By the way, last quick question, who's picking up the tab? Well, first of all, I don't know anyone that's been any place ever with Chuck, and he's not picked up the tab. So even though it should be on the corporate credit card, he does not believe in letting people. He'll probably be on top.

Good talking to you, Chris. Thanks a lot. All right. By the way, Barclay does have a legendary reputation as the first guy. He's got long arms. Charles always picks up the check. And by the way, there are a lot of people, including a former Charles teammate in Houston,

who did not tip and who did not pick up the check, and I'll just leave it at that. Ugh. Not even tip? You know. No tipping. Pippin? I thought you said you weren't going to say anything.

It's out there. I like Scotty, but Barclay is legendary for grabbing the check, buying it for everybody. It's one of the reasons I like him. That is nice. It's tough to go to dinner with somebody who doesn't want to pay, or at least split it. Tough. I've broken up friendships over that. Well, yeah, of course. I mean, if you all go out to eat together, it shouldn't even be a conversation everyone should at least want to pay.

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