The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 07/29/2019

Episode Date: July 29, 2019

Colin does everything possible in his power to avoid becoming economically trapped unlike the Dallas Cowboys who are now trapped paying Ezekiel Elliott, Deshaun Watson is completely disrespected siting behind Baker Mayfield on the NFL 100 Top Players and Colin bring you another weekly look back on this Monday's addition of "Where Colin was Right & Wrong!" Plus, Buck Brooks joins the show to break down all of the latest happening in the NFL. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go on a Monday. I can smell football. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We are live in Los Angeles on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor has emerged from the desert in Arizona. She and Scorpions, the only ones that survived this weekend of 100,000. It was 120 degrees.

It was 115, yes. But it was beautiful where we stayed, and Earl was in an air conditioning gym for the college basketball academy with the NCAA. So it was a good weekend. But, yes, Phoenix is hot right now. I was up in Lake Cordelaan, Idaho, which was 79 degrees in beautiful for cancer charity. So we had kind of disparate weekends. But we land back here. It is a Monday.

We have a ton of stuff today. Great video out. Good stories. So I want to talk about the Dallas Cowboys. I've been leading with them for a week because, as I've told you, I would trade Ezekiel Elliott for lots of draft picks. Amari Cooper said yesterday, one year left in his contract, I want to be here. I'm not holding out. I don't even want to talk about it.

That's a media topic. Dak Prescott said, I'll get to it when I get to it, even though I'm a fourth round pick. By the way, Jason Garrett only has one year this year on his contract. He said it's not a topic. Zeke, two years left, is holding out. not to mention he was just got out of the principal's office with Roger Goodell a month ago and he's still acting up. So let me just start with this. I do not.

I'll let you inside the way I see life a little bit. I don't like to be trapped economically. I hate it. This is why I eat before I go to airports. I get a sandwich before I go to an airport. So if my flight's delayed, I'm not paying $18 for a chicken sandwich. This is why I eat before I go to games. So I don't pay $27.

for average nachos. I don't like being trapped economically. Some stuff I have to pay for. I got to pay for gas and it's expensive in California. You know, I got to pay for groceries. You know, groceries can be expensive in California. But I don't like being trapped economically. So I eat before I go to airports and I eat before I go to games.

And I'll do that the rest of my life. It doesn't matter what I make. I don't like being trapped. The Dallas Cowboys. Now, NFL owners and NBA owners are different. NBA owners usually cave. NFL owners, it's a 50-50 split. Whether they pay somebody in a holdout.

I think Dallas is going to cave and I think Jerry's going to cave because he loves Zeke. Jerry's in his own personal life was imperfect and sometimes need to be monitored. And I think Jerry can relate to players. That's why Jerry's always seen himself as a young oil maverick. He's a risk taker. He's fun.

He's a social drinker. He's out there telling stories. Flirting with the world. That's who Jerry Jones is. So I think he supports players who make mischief. Stakes can be a little young, a little childish. And that's, Jerry's kind of guy. He has a history.

But this is where I wouldn't want to be Dallas. They're trapped. The reason Pittsburgh was not trapped with Lavian Bell is Pittsburgh drafts a running back every year. I mean, they draft a James Connor. This year they got a kid out of Kentucky, Benny Snell. New England's never trapped. They didn't need running backs. They had the deepest running back cord in the league last year outside of Cleveland.

New England drafted another running back. Philadelphia's got like five guys. They drafted another running back. Philadelphia, New England, Pittsburgh. The reason they don't get trapped on running backs, they just keep drafting them. Meanwhile, the Cowboys went out and drafted finally another running back. Tony Pollard, who was the second best running back at his college. He's more of a receiver than he is a running back.

So Dallas now is economically trapped. They're trapped. They got to pay him. And I think they will pay him and they'll work it out. But this is one of the things I just don't like being. and I think if you watch the better run teams in the NFL, I think the Colts now, multiple backs, Eagles, multiple backs. I think in New England, multiple backs.

Pittsburgh's got multiple capable backs. Cleveland, give John Dorsey credit. Cleveland's got multiple backs. That's the way, in my opinion, to do it. You don't get trapped economically because when a position and running back is now an inevitably unavoidably violent position in football, it just is. By the way, the Chargers with Melvin Gordon, not trapped. They prefer him, but the chargers are not trapped. The Rams a little bit now. They

just drafted a running back at the end of last year. The Rams felt trapped with Todd Gurley, paying him a tonny's hurt. So what do they do? Their second pick this year, the Rams went out and got another running back. So I think Dallas is going to pay him. I don't like paying people two years early. I would not cave if I was Jerry Jones. But if you look at his history, you look at the running back situation right now for Dallas, I don't think they have a choice. They backed themselves economically into a corner. They now have to pay, you know, they got to pay $17 for a chicken sandwich and an airport. They're going to have to pay $19 for a Heineken at a baseball stadium. That's where the Cowboys are. They got to have him. They back themselves into a corner. Linebackers,

they got a couple. You know, wide receivers, they've got a couple I like. Running back, they got a dude. One, they're going to have to pay him. All right. So let me shift to this. So the NFL network does this every year. They list their 100 best players. And they release like 10 at a time, 10 at a time. And they always throw a curveball in there or something just to get guys like me to talk about it. I'm a sucker for lists. And so they get me every year. And this year, it's not egregious, but we now have a new player in the NFL that is completely disrespected. And his name is Deshawn Watson. He's the quarterback for Houston. So the NFL Network put Baker Mayfield

ahead of Deshawn Watson. And this list, by the way, is always based on last year. It's voted on by players. So one of my big problems I have with the American sports media, and I would say this is my biggest problem with the American sports media.

We never consider what you're surrounded by. If you're good, it's because you're great. And if you're bad, it's because you're terrible. Well, that's not the way I'm doing the best show I've ever done in my life. That's because I'm surrounded by the best management and the best group of coworkers. We never in sports consider, well, what is this guy's offensive line like?

What did he inherit? Who's his coach? So, Baker Mayfield and Deshawn Watson. Now, never forget this. Baker Mayfield comes into the league. He inherits Jarvis Landry, a 90-catch pro-bowl receiver. He inherits David and Joku, first or second-best tight end. He inherits three good running backs.

he inherits an offensive guy, Hugh Jackson, and Todd Haley, veteran offensive guys. Deshawn Watson comes into the league. He inherits the worst offensive line in the NFL, marginal to blow average tight ends. They don't have any running backs of note. And he has one great receiver,

which of course is always hard to throw to when you're on your arse running for your life. So NFL network today, Baker's better than Deshawn. Let me give you a few numbers. Last year, Deshawn Watson won 11 games. Baker won 6. Well, Baker's a very accurate precision passer. Really?

Because behind the worst offensive line in the league, Deshawn Watson completed 68% of his throws. Baker 64. Well, well, well, but Baker. Yards. Deshawn Watson. Check. Interceptions.

Baker 14. Deshawn 9. And oh, by the way, I'm not even mentioning the fact that one of them won the high jump championship in the ninth grade in Georgia. One of them maybe is the best athlete in the league at quarterback, Deshaun Watson, five rushing touchdowns and 550 yards rushing. Behind an atrocious offensive line with no tight ends and no running game. NFL network.

Are you just trying to get under my skin? Are you watching the games? Now, over the next 10 years, who knows what happens? But in terms of leadership qualities, let me remind you of something Deshaun Watton. Watson did last year. With a punctured effing lung, they couldn't fly him to a game. They had to bust him to a game.

They went 0 and 3 to start the season, Houston. And this is what leadership looks like. Deshawn Watson put the team on his back in one nine straight games. History of the NFL had never happened. In the history of the NFL had never happened. That a guy opens the season, O in three and wins nine straight. Brady didn't do it. Montana didn't do it.

Peyton Manning didn't do it. Brett Farrve didn't do it. Y.A. Tiddle probably didn't do it. Deshawn Watson with a punctured lung behind the worst offensive line in the league did it. You got to be kidding me. We have a new guy in the league that's the most disrespected. By the way, Nick Saban twice had six weeks to prepare for Deshawn Watson and couldn't stop him. Johnny Mansell beat Nick Sabin once after Bamad played back-to-back tough games, then a third straight week. Johnny Manzell had a great first. half and basically Saban figured him out at half time. He had six weeks twice to prepare for Deshaun Watson and couldn't figure him out.

Baker inherited a great situation. Veteran offensive coaches, pro ball receiver, fledgling superstar, tight end, tremendous running back group. Deshaun Watson's been dealing with an albatross of a no line, no separators at tight end. One great receiver, but he's doubled and it's hard to consistently get the ball to people when you're on your back. I mean, this is the classic example of can we at least acknowledge what people are working with? Even Kobe Bryant, one with Shaq and one with Powell Gasol. How'd Kobe do in between that? Not much. What did Bill Coward do as a Steeler coach? What did the Steelers do between

Brad Sean Big Ben. That's with great owners, good GMs, great Hall of Fame coaches, Cowron Tom. What did they do between Brad Sean Big Ben? They were the lions. Do anything. They weren't winning championships. Lord, can we just acknowledge

that some people in life grow up with rich parents? Some people grow up with poor parents. It's kind of an advantage. Sam Darnold, and I know you think this is a Darnold thing, Donald inherited a horrible O line, no receivers, a good tight end who now is suspended for the first four games and no backs. You think he's going to struggle a little with a defensive coach? I mean, come on, folks.

We got to consider what people in life inherit. Where do they come from? Do they have to deal with a chaotic family, a chaotic offensive line, a coach? I mean, NFL network at this point is just trying to make me mad. I'm convinced that that's the whole game now. Yeah, what list can we do that coward will talk about? I am tired of it. They got a great seafood in Idaho all weekend, or I would be in a terrible mood.

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We call it Colin right, Colin wrong, so let's not waste any time. Here we go. Where Colin was right. I said from day one, Dak Prescott doesn't have an arm that I love. I didn't have the size I love, but there's something about that square jaw. Always says the right thing. He just reeks of leadership. This weekend, a story came out from Jerry Jones.

He said, quote, one of our sponsors wanted me and Dak to do a commercial the first year, and Dak was a fourth-rounded or needed the money. Dak said, Mr. Jones, I don't know with this team that I deserve to be in a commercial with the owner. On behalf of the team, if you don't mind, I'd like not to be in that commercial. Jerry Jones said, kid, you're in it. I'll pull myself out. That's why you pay him. Again, I'd rather pay him 28 than 32.

This is why you pay him. Professional sports is overwhelmingly 22 to 31-year-old young men. Now they're rich young men. You've got to have a grown-up in the room. And I think DAC always answers to bell when it comes to savvy and self-awareness. This is a kid I'd pay. Again, we can barter over the pay thing, and I do think being a cowboy quarterback is worth more than that is just on the paper. But this is classic Dak Prescott.

Mike opens, says the smart thing. And this is a great story because none of us knew about it until this weekend, and I think it's why you have to pay DAC. A franchise quarterback, that's the kind of self-awareness as a rookie. That's not yesterday. That was as a rookie when he was making 400 grand a year. Where Colin was wrong. Well, I'll believe it when I see it, but oh, Russell Westbrook sounded like he was going to sit over in the corner and watch Harden Play at a press conference Friday in Houston. He sounded like the good neighbor.

State Farm is there. He was supportive. Here he goes. Me and Jane's been friends for many, many years since I was 10, actually. We played with each other for many years in Oklahoma City. And to be able to win something, you've got a better sacrifice some parts of your game. both understand that. We both understand that we have one common goal and that's the winning championship. So we understand what we have to do. I'm not worried about it. I know James is not worried about it.

I can play off the ball. I'll have to touch the ball to impact the game. And that's the best way. For me, to be able to come back and impact this team is I can do other things on the floor to be able to make sure we have a better chance of winning. Well, it should be noted. You better be able to hit threes because that's what they do. And that's not Russell's strength. But I will say this, tip of the cap for self-react. awareness, tip at the cap for understanding it. You know, the reality is, I'll believe it when I see it. They were one and two in usage rate last year, and Russell's never been a great shooter. He does a lot of things well, that's not what he does.

But I'll give him this. He was very easy, breezy, wasn't up tight, seems to understand what he is. And as I've said before, this is Hardin's team, Hardin's town. And so if Russell is able to play off the ball, it'll work. And by the way, the first job of making something work, is to acknowledge I have to change for it to work. So you got to give Russell Westbrook that. Where Colin was right?

Detroit Lion, oh, my bad. August 6, Hard Knock's debuts with the Raiders. Now, I've said this before about John Gruden. He was a great coach. Then he was a TV star. I don't think he's a great coach yet. And I'm not sure if he'll ever be. He was out of the league 10 years.

And I think Raiders want to sell tickets, and Gruden sells tickets. So they released a clip of hard knocks, which hasn't even aired yet. Oh, Lord, he is still a TV star. Everybody right now has dreams, don't they guys? I said it to the rookies. All right, everybody in the NFL, I have a dream of making it in the NFL. I got a dream of winning a Super Bowl. I got a dream of being in a Pro Bowl.

I'm really not into dreams anymore. Okay, I'm into nightmares. You guys with me on that? You got to end somebody's dream. You got to take their job. you got to take their heart. Are you guys clear about this NFL now? We're not trying to go to the Peach Bowl.

We're not trying to go to the Gator Bowl or the Blue Bonnet Bowl. We're trying to go to the Super Bowl. Okay? And to do that, you've got to really try to end somebody's dreams. Are you clear on that, Farrell? Okay? I mean that now. So get into that.

By the way, the Blue Bonnet Bowl last existed in 1987. That's a good year. Yeah. That's what I worry about, that John, some of this stuff, It played 10, 12 years ago, much better than it plays now. I do think they have a chance to be a wildly entertaining mess as a fourth place team. Their talent's fun, but I'll say it again when you watch that clip. Is that a football coach or a star pretending to be a football coach?

I'm not into dreams. I'm into nightmares. It's a wonderful slogan for a shirt. That's great. Okay. Where Colin was wrong. Lyon's head coach, Matt Patricia, is a genius. I never knew that.

But Mike Daniels got cut by the Packers. 13 teams called his agent. He said, I chose Matt Patricia because flat out, he's a genius. Listen, the guy wears a pencil in his ear with a laminated play sheet. I don't understand that. He looks like an unmade bed. Couldn't figure out which way to have his hat in week one. But apparently he's a genius.

New England, by the way, their defense was better when he left last year. It was the best New England defense in years. But, you know, I'll say this. some of this sport, you've got to occasionally land a free agent. Mike Daniels is a very good player, pro bowl or two years ago. And if a player thinks the guy's brilliant, he's not the only player that thinks that. And so I've been kind of rough on Matt, Patricia, because I think when you're an NFL head coach, you have to kind of even look like a, you kind of look like a head coach.

You've got to get your act together a little bit, and he's not been that so far. But if players are saying he's a genius, Mike Daniels is not the only guy that thinks that, so I'm wrong on that. Where Colin was right? Well, Cam Newton, I've been critical for years. Yes, he's talented. Yes, he's handsome. Yes, he's an icon.

Yes, he's wildly inconsistent and not an A quarterback is what I've been saying. And last week, NFL.com, 87th rated player out of 100. That's the NFL network voted on by players. By the way, also two weeks ago, called it Tier 3 quarterback by NFL executives. Tier 3 meaning can't win big without tons of health. help. Also, if you've watched the show All or Nothing, it's more about fashion, music, and cam, and iconic stuff

than actually football. Finally, everybody's admitting it. Yes, he's a talent, but you can't be an all-time great and not ever have back-to-back winning seasons. His inconsistency is part of his personalities. Hard to depend on. Where Colin

was wrong. I don't even know how it's possible, but Tom Brady led the NFL merchandise sales list. this offseason. He's not lit. He wears kale pajamas. He's more conservative than a Twitter fiend.

He goes to bed early. I mean, he's fairly private considering he's the greatest quarterback of all time. How he leads the NFL in merchandise sales. How many of you don't have a Tom Brady jersey? I mean, New England hasn't changed their scheme on the uniforms.

It's the same Tom Brady. Boston's not as big as New York or L.A. or Chicago. You know, you think there's other cities and other teams. Listen, I think Brady's the greatest quarterback of all time. And I'm not even sure if it's close anymore. But it's a stunner to me that he continues to lead Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield, Odell Beckham. I thought young people buy jerseys.

Brady's the oldest player in the league. I can't figure it out. Where Colin was right? Sam Darnold and Adam Gase over the weekend have become a mutual admiration society. I said when the Jets signed Gace, he and Darnold were perfect. One guy's a hard ass, the other guy likes to be coached. Sure enough, Adam Gase over the weekend, quote, Donald can throw the blank out of the football.

I love him. Donald's quote, here it is. Well, first of all, it starts with my parents. They were always hard on me as a kid, and I think they were hard on me because they found out that's how I like to be coached, and that's kind of how I like to be treated. I think that's how I learn, you know, and for me, I think Gase kind of found that out quickly, you know, quicker than a lot of coaches do.

So it was good that he found that out. So on the field, he's able to, you know, when he needs to be critical of me, he can be. It's good, though. It's good all around because I respond well to it. And honestly, I think it's good for the whole team to see me, you know, being laid into it a little bit sometimes. You know, I think that's good for everyone to see. And, you know, I think that's how I learned best. So they're already the mutual admiration society.

By the way, 30 of 32 teams had darnled above Baker on their NFL board. Sam inherited an absolute offensive mess. Now at least he's got an offensive coach. He's got a superstar running back with Crowder. Jameson Crowder coming from Washington an elite slot receiver. They upgraded the offensive line. They are glue. And that's what we predicted they would be.

Where Colin was wrong. A 16-year-old won $3 million playing Fortnite this weekend at the first ever Fortnite World Cup. A 16-year-old. Apparently watching people play video games is fascinating. $30 million was at stake overall. After 10 weeks of open qualifiers attracting more than 40 million competitors, the Fortnite World Cup finals, congratulations to a 16-year-old from a Pennsylvania,

Kyle Buga-Giersdorf. That's a lot of lettuce for a 16-year-old. Boy, I can barely parent my son now. I can't imagine if he came on with a three-month-old. million dollar check. Oh, wow. Where Colin was right. Team USA basketball is building its roster. And most of the good to great players have said

will pass. It's a JV team now. And Carmelo Anthony is still not getting invited. Why? Because players love Mello unless they have to play with him. He doesn't play defense. He lacks self-awareness.

He's never been in great shape. He's a nice guy, but he's not a good basketball team. teammate. And all you mellow fanboys, for years and years said how mean I was, he cannot get an invite as a bench role player for Team USA basketball in a year when all the good players are turning it down. Where Colin was right? Said before, never be another Tiger Woods. Golf pros, everybody with a four handicapped has been telling me for a decade, Rory's going to be Tiger, and Brooks Kepka and Justin Rose and Jordan Speath. This weekend, Brooks Kepkent, Kepka won the WGC Invitational in the same year as winning a major.

He's the sixth guy ever to do that? Tiger Woods did it eight times. That's the gap between Tiger and Brooks Kepka. Kepka is terrific. Seems like a good kid. Totally focused. Long off the T. Handles pressure well.

But in the last 15 years, you've been telling me, maybe last 20, here's the next tiger. So this now I'm told is the next. next tiger. And for the sixth time ever, he won the WGC and a major, and Tiger's done it eight times. That is the gap. Where Colin was wrong. A massive asteroid got within 45,000 miles of destroying Earth over the weekend. For years and years, I thought astronomers were smarter than sportscasters. My bad. At least sportscasters could spot with a telescope a flying

cruise liner headed for Earth. The massive asteroid now named 2019 OK, as in, okay, we're all going to die. Okay, we're screwed here. Okay, here comes a flying luxury liner. Why didn't anybody spot it through their telescope?

I was wrong. I always thought astronomers were raised smarter than sportscasters. If we mess up a name, you crushed us. They missed a carnival cruise line on fire heading for Baltimore. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real.

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So when you write the article that's critical of Aaron Rogers, I laugh about it because we both think Aaron's great. But I always feel like, I know Aaron doesn't like me. Aaron's a top five quarterback in the league. I do think Patrick Mahomes is the next Aaron, where the golden arm, oh my God, he's doing stuff nobody can. And he hasn't had the injuries of Aaron.

He doesn't have some of the wealth. You know, once you get wealthy, it kind of changes how you see the world. You don't want to be coached often quite as much. But your article basically said about Aaron, I think it was very fair, which is, listen, last 50 games, he hasn't been as good. You can blame McCarthy, but he has become a three-point shooter, more than the gimmey layup. Do you get pushback when you write articles like that?

Oh, man, for sure. I got a lot of it. And I got a lot of it, and I don't think people necessarily read. Like, I can acknowledge that Aaron Rogers is one of the best quarterbacks that we've ever seen in NFL history. Totally agree. And I can say that at one point, he was the gold standard for the position. Yeah. However, when you're evaluating people, when you're evaluating players, even as a gentleman, you have to take emotion out of it.

So take the emotion out of it. And let's look at what he's really done. If you go back those last 50 games that you talked about, the 24, 24 and 1. He's completing 62% of his passes. His passive rating is below 100. And he's coming off a season that was maybe one of the worst that he's had as a starter. And so if all those things are going against you, how can you say, hey, he's the number one guy in the league when this is the golden era of quarterback play? We saw Pat Mahomes go 5,050.

We've seen Philip Rivers continue to kill it. We've seen Drew Brie set another NFL mark for completion. percentage. At some point, you have to evaluate players for what they are at this moment. And at this moment, he didn't play like a top five got last year. Now, now, here's where I've defended him. They have not given him much defense to work with, so I'm not holding him to a Super Bowl standard. He hasn't had Tom Brady's defenses. He hasn't had Russell Wilson's defenses. And I do consider that. But I will say this, offensive lines, his are always above average. They have drafted and developed receivers, O-Linman,

tight ends excellently. So I'm not going to hold him to Tom's Super Bowl standards. What I will, and these are your top five quarterbacks. Right now in the league, give me your five. Look, so when you think about it is Pat Mahomes, you have Philip Rivers, you have Drew Brees, you have Tom Brady, and then look, we threw in Russell Wilson at five because Russell Wilson the last two years has played magical even though they're operating under a run first premise.

When you're evaluating the position, like everyone is subject. Do you want to put passing yards? Do you want to do quarterback wins? Whatever it is. I think it is a feel thing. Do I feel like this quarterback is elevating the cast of characters around him? And it's never perfect because the reason quarterbacks are getting $30 million, they're supposed to be the Fabrice.

They're supposed to erase all of the things that stink in the franchise. The franchise quarterback is supposed to erase that. We've seen Tom Brady do that. We've seen Drew Breeze elevate guys who weren't necessarily A-plus play. and make them play at a high level. We've seen Philip Rivers do that. We saw Russell Wilson play behind a bad offensive line. And leave the NFL touchdowns.

Right, and play at an MVP level. So if we're saying that is the standard, then we should expect more from Aaron Rogers based on what he has been and what he's compensated to be at a higher level. Now, Matt LaFleur comes in. He's a younger, little hipper, a little cooler, a little progressive. I would say generationally, he and Aaron are about the same age. What do you forecast for that?

So the thing that Matt LeFleur has to do early, he has to establish a respect factor from Aaron Rogers. Because he doesn't come in as a decorated coach, like as an office coordinator or whatever, the thing that Aaron and any veteran player wants to look to is, can you make me a better player? How are you going to make me a better player? How are you going to elevate this unit?

So Matt LaFleur early has to establish, here's what you can do to be a better player. I got a plan that is going to elevate you. your game. Here's the plan for us to get everyone around you to play at a better level. And if he's able to do that, and if early in camp and preseason

and the regular season, those things work, then they'll be bonded. But if they don't, if he doesn't have the ability to have answers, that's when the rub could come from Aaron Rogers and Matt Lefleur because if he's looking to Matt LeFleur for answers and he can't

deliver them, that's the issue. Tom Brady always knows. I can go to Bill Belichek. Bill Belichick can give me an answer and it's going to be the right answer more times than not. That's what Matt LaFleur has to establish with his quarterback. I say Aaron Rogers reminds me a little of Big Ben. As they've aged, they've gotten a little stubborn,

little banged up, not quite as precise as I think they can be. And leadership depends on the Sunday. And that's not a bang on Big Ben. I mean, people, look, all quarterbacks are not built the same. They have a different way. It doesn't mean that Aaron Rogers

can't lead and can win that way. He can win. He can win in that direction. However, there has to be a trust in a level of communication between him and the head coach. He also has to have a trust in a level of communication with the rest of the team. Can he get on the same page with the young guys? Can he nudge and encourage them and get them to play at a higher level? Can he pump some confidence and some belief into them so they can play the way that he needs them to play so he can elevate his game? It doesn't mean that he can't be critical. He can't demand or do those things to try and elevate their play. but he has to have some dialogue.

They have to have that consistent conversation. We've seen it. We've seen Tom Brady. We've seen others. And Aaron Rogers has done that because we've seen a number of former Packers talk about that. But it has to be consistent. And now more than ever, because Mike McCarthy is gone. Ted Thompson, who they talked about, maybe they didn't put the best team around them.

Gone. He's gone. So now it is Aaron Rogers. It is all on him because all the excuses are never removed. We now will get a chance to judge number 12 on what he does. If I'm Stephen Jones, son of Jerry Jones, and your Dack Prescott's agent, is this a fair conversation? Listen. Or the Cowboys.

No state tax. I get you Campbell Soup commercials. This is the greatest position in American sports. You'll get TV after this if you want. Aikman, Romo, Michael, Dion. Jason Whitten wasn't a big personality. He was a tight end. We got him on Monday night football.

Is it a fair place for me to start as a general manager's ink? We love you. but there is a value to being our quarterback over the Bengals quarterback. Is that fair or out of bounds? It's fair to a point. The issue that you have, those points are valid and they're great. But when Dak Prescott looks out and he sees Carson Wentz, and Carson Wentz comes in at 31.5.

And on paper, resume, you can say Dak Prescott has exceeded what Carson Wentz has done. You talk about second most wins since he entered the league. behind Tom Brady. We judge quarterbacks on the ability to get the team to the winner's circle. He's been able to do that. Now, does he have to get everything? No, but to think that he should take a discount, I think is unfair because what he has done, he's given the Cowboys a lot of bang for their buck for three years.

The average quarterback was making 20, 22 million. Dag was making less than a million dollars. So for a couple of years, they had an $18 million threshold that they could earmark money other places. They have to pay them. They have to pay them at a top market value. And I think they will. I think it's just trying to sort out where did the pieces of the puzzle fit. Because look, when you're there and I was there at Cowboys Camp this weekend, he is clearly the leader. He is the right guy. He checks off all the boxes. You're at the Cowboys Camp this weekend. He checks off all the boxes from an intangible standpoint. He is everything. And so they need to pay him, but they also have a

talented team. And he should be able to look around and say, if I win games, I'm going to get elevated. And so it's about finding the right price point where he's satisfied monetarily while also having enough to pay everybody else. Years ago, I went to Home Depot in the winter, and I bought a grill for like $190.19. It lasted 15 years. And if that grill could have negotiated with me 15 years later, it could have taken me because I got. So similarly, that almost never happens in retail. When you buy something for nothing, it lasts forever. Everything breaks, right? Dak is, you know, you don't get Russell Wilson much.

Third round, Hall of Famer. Now, Dak's not a Hall of Famer, but when you get a fourth rounder and I get him for free for four years, it's hard to ask that young man. You made less than DJs in your city. Listen, if Dak came to me and asked for the world, it would almost ethically, and I know owners aren't known as they don't care about that. But I mean, just I would struggle to look another man in the face knowing I paid $190 for a grill at Home Depot and I used it 15 years.

Dak has been the most, he has been the cheapest great quality item in the world. In our world of sports, Dax the only star that's made nothing. Yes, absolutely. And it's very similar to what the Seattle Seahawks were able to benefit from Russell Wilson. They get a guy that the reality of it, when you draft someone in the third round and the fourth round, those guys are viewed as developmental players. You don't have expectations that they're going to be high-end starter. play at a high level. Russell Wilson

played to that level. Dak Prescott has been a solid starter. Whether you want to put him at the top 15 in the middle of the pack, fine. But the numbers say that when he plays, they win. They win. They go to the playoffs. They win. The overwhelming majority of their games, you have to compensate him for that. And when you

look at other guys like Jimmy Garapolo and Kirk Cousins, he should get paid. By the way, I know Dak is not a grill, but it was an interesting analogy, I thought. I never forget. The only time in retail I ever felt I got a deal on something. So, We were talking about the NFL network comes out and they do these rankings on stuff and Deshawn's under Baker. And we've always had this in my life.

There was a quarterback years ago named Jim Hart, who I always thought was wildly underrated. But he played in the middle of the country. He wasn't a Packer. He wasn't a cowboy. He was in St. Louis. Nobody paid attention to him. Jim Hart, then I think he was replaced later by Neil Lomax. They were both great quarterbacks.

I saw Neil this weekend. And it just didn't get a lot of love. Kenny Anderson and Cincinnati. He just didn't get any love because he played in Cincinnati. He wasn't a steeler. He wasn't a cowboy. Deshawn Watson's lower than Baker Mayfield on some NFL network list. Timeout.

I don't think we understand that Deshaun Watson has played behind an atrocious offensive line. And if you start looking at his numbers, he's really an impressive player. Very impressive player. You talk about the offensive line. How about we talk about the coach? And if we use the same things that we've used in the past for Aaron Rogers, we could throw that out there. Does Bill O'Brien really else? elevate quarterbacks. Did Bill O'Brien do his best coaching job? The second season that

Deshaun was the quarterback. The first season, they did some things that Deshawn did at Clemson, made him look successful. He elevated, played at a high level. Last year, did they do those same things? Is Bill O'Brien an elite play caller? So when you're looking at Deshaun Watson, are we judging him fairly? When it comes to the Deshawn Watson-Baker-Mayfield comparison, I can understand the Baker-Mafield bounce. The Cleveland Browns had low expectations. He comes in And surpasses them. They play at a higher level. They play 7 and 9.

They're very competitive. They're fun to watch. So it's easy to get swept up in it. The litmus test for both guys. Baker Mayfield, second time around as a sophomore. How does he duplicate or build upon that success? Has a talented support and cash. You would expect him to be able to do so.

Deshawn Watson, what is the next step? We saw him in the playoffs. It looked a little fast for him. Can he go to the next level? Look, he is a guy to me that is still very, very underrated. I think he's a fantastic. player. I think he's one of those guys that's going to be a top 10 quarterback very soon. Now's the

matter if Ken Bill O'Brien put him in the right situation to allow him to use all of the talent steady shows. Good to seeing you, bud. Thanks for having me. Read his article, Bucky Brooks. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what

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