The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 08/20/2018

Episode Date: August 20, 2018

Colin talks about this being the golden era of TV and of the Quarterbacks in the NFL. He talks about where he was right and wrong during his week off. Plus, former NFL QB Chris Simms talks about why Sam Darnold should start week one. Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin. Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, this is the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, High Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, Joy Taylor and I both took some time off last week. We are back in the fold and ready to go on a Monday. It is officially Joy football season, is it not? It is.

Good morning, Colin. Morning, Joy, it is great to have you back. I had so many people come up to me over my week off and say Joy Taylor. I love her on the show. a great edition. Just got to give you that love for that. Thank you, people that said that to Colin. Yes, thank you people who said that to me. So let me start with this. So I'm watching television last night. I'm sitting there in bed and I'm watching television and I got one of those little devices. It's kind of complicated. It used to be at a remote, ABC, NBC, CBS Fox. That was it.

And then cable came along. You got 500 channels. Now I got another device gives me Amazon Prime. I got Netflix. It's got Showtime. I got Hulu. I got a bunch of these things, right? I got more channels than I've ever had in my life. And everybody's always knocking television. Ah, it's dumb. You're better to read books. No, not really. No, not really. It is the best time in the history of the world in America to watch television. I mean, you can binge watch. You get political shows. You get sports. Every game, every sport, politics, opinions, cable, broadcast. It's incredible. Everybody wants to complain about stuff. I've sitting there last night and I'm thinking, It's never been a moment in my life where I get to choose what I want to watch.

I can watch docs, independence, I can watch movies, I can watch shows. I'm watching British stuff two nights ago. I never had access to that British stuff, and I had a British mom who would have watch British TV. I didn't have access to that. And I'm watching football over the last week when I'm on vacation. And I'm like Andrew Luck plays tonight, Lamar Jackson's playing tonight, and one of them's already been established.

It's pretty good. And the other one is exciting and could be good. And I'm thinking, do we kind of get what's going on now in football? Like the last week, I've been watching all these puppies play. Baker Mayfield's like, you know, 20 years old and Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen. And I'm watching all these guys play in Lamar Jackson and the kid up, Josh Allen and Buffalo. And I'm thinking to myself, holy God, think about what we have in the league right now. We have five Hall of Famers.

And all of them still have years left. Brady Breeze Ben, Rogers, Russell Wilson. Don't argue he is. Five Hall of Famers with a lot of years left. We have four guys who will get Hall of Fame votes. Eli, a lot of people think he'll get in. Cam Newton, I criticize him. MVP, all-time great running quarterback, still has five years left.

He's going to get votes. Matt Ryan, five, six years left at this pace. Going to get votes. And Philip Rivers, going to get a lot of votes. So we're nine in for absolute Hall of Famers. And certainly with a lot of years left, going to get votes. Oh, wait. Oh, wait.

There's three more guys that are three of the most talented guys I've ever watched. They're just coming off injuries. Carson Wentz, Deshawn Watson, and Andrew Luck. And if I said with any of them, seven more years of their best football, they would be Hall of Famers. Okay, do the math now. Five, four, three. I'm 12 in. That's 40% of the least.

league. Then there's three other guys right now who have shown us in this now league where having an offensive coach with a rule changes joy really elevates you. There's three other guys who at their best so far have blown us away. Gough McVeigh, Shanahan Garoppolo have never lost together, and Derek Carr and John Gruden, if he can get it ramped up here after taking a decade off. I'm at 15. That's half the league. That's half the league. That's half a half. That's Half the league is a Hall of Famer will get votes, spectacular Hall of Fame talent off an injury, and three young guys who look like their Hall of Fame talents with the coaches they're aligned with. I'm not even counting anybody in this draft class.

And if you look at the history of draft classes, when five quarterbacks go in the first round, one's going to pop. Not five or four, but at least one and probably two pop. and if they get the right coach, eight, nine-year stretch, they're Hall of Famers. I sit around and I watch this stuff. Andrew Luck tonight, Lamar Jackson, Baltimore, Indianapolis. And I'm watching football and I'm thinking between the rules, the coaching, the spacing,

the quarterback camps, the seven-on-seven stuff at the high school level, the spread offense in college football, we've never had a time this good. I go back to an era that everybody always talks about. Elway, Marino. Oh, the 80s, late 80s. All right. You had Elway and Marino.

And you had Joe Montana. You had Jim Kelly and Warren Moon. Those five guys were good. Hall of Fame guys. Yeah, the drop off got... It dropped off. You got into a bunch of Phil Sims stuff. I like Phil Sims.

His son's on today in an hour. But you didn't have layer after layer after layer. We got 15 guys in this league that are Hall of Famers. We'll get votes. Hall of Fame talent off injury. and three guys that look like it could be really, really special. That's half the league, and I'm not counting this rookie class where I've said, I think Darnold's going to be a 15-year Andrew Luck level if he can stay a healthy

starter in the National Football League. Sometimes you've got to take a deep breath, stay off social media, appreciate how much good we have, TV or quarterbacks. Let me shift to this. Speaking of the young quarterbacks, I watch Sam Darnold. He's pretty good. And here's what I hear all the time. You know, there's an old saying among guys, you want to date a pretty girl?

Got to ask her out. She's not going to come up to you. She's not going to come up to you. You want to date a pretty girl. You got to go up to her and say, want to have a coffee? And then maybe a glass of wine and second date. And maybe she likes you. Just don't drool on yourself.

Maybe you have a shot. But you've got to ask her out, meaning you've got to have a little courage. and you have to be willing to make a mistake and you have to be willing to embarrass yourself. Okay. Sam Darnold's going to throw interceptions. Who cares? You want to play it safe and never leave your hometown?

Marry your high school sweetheart. Nothing wrong with that. There's a world out there of opportunity. You're going to fall flat on your arse. Brett Farve's the all-time leader in interceptions. Peyton Manning is the all-time NFL rookie leader. in interceptions. By year four, he still threw 23. Ben Rothersberger, 23 is a rookie. Eli Manning, interception machine, Drew Breeze, Joe Ameth, Terry Bradshaw. Folks, who gives a rip?

To date the pretty girl, you got to ask her out. Peyton Manning was a turnover machine. So was Brett Fav. So was brother Eli. Breeze throws a lot. You want to know who doesn't throw interceptions number one and two in the league last year. Tyrod, Taylor, and Alex Smith. They both got traded. What is my knock on Dak Prescott? I call him Dink and Dak. Underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath, underneath.

Stretch the field. All-time quarterback interceptions leaders. The minute Peyton Manning gets inducted into the Hall of Fame, seven to ten, seven of ten are the all-time interception leaders. they take a chance. Those guys in Silicon Valley were born there. They move there. You talk to anybody who's an angel investor.

They have whiffed. Ashton Coucher is the guy in Hollywood. He's an angel investor. 100 grand for this, 200 grand for this, a million for this. He's hit two home runs. He's whiffed on 20. Who cares if guys throw picks? Deshawn Watson had two games last year.

Remember this, Joy? I think one was Seattle, one was New England. And everybody was like, okay, Deshawn Watson's a man. amazing, officially amazing. He threw five interceptions in those two games. Well, time out. You're upset that Donald threw one pick in the preseason. He threw five picks in the games you fell in love with him.

So what? Take chances. Roll the dice. Ask her out. Put money on a company that has very little chance to succeed but could hit a home run. You got to take chances. I've always said, one of the most important things about a quarterback is a short memory. You can't be paralyzed by asking a girl out and she just says, not interested.

All right, who's next? You're a hook. There's a sea of fish. Take a chance. Roll the dice. Go. It's okay. Whiff.

Sam Darnold's going to throw 20 picks this year if he starts. He's going to fumble seven times. And that means he's throwing the ball down the field. He's a little reckless, but guess what? You know what he's doing? He's taking chances. Do you want Tyrod Taylor? He got Buffalo to the playoffs.

They got rid of him. You want Alex Smith? He got Kansas City of the playoffs. They got rid of him. Dak Prescott, I like him. By the way, I criticize Cam Newton all the time. Right? Everybody, oh, you hate Cam.

You know what I never criticized Cam about? Joy, I never rip his interceptions. Now, I ripped the fact that there's a receiver four feet from him and he sails it over his head. I ripped the fact that his emotional roller coaster and his playing consistency is all over the map. You've never heard me rip Cam because he throws a pick. I could care less. I get that body. I get those legs. I got that arm. Baby. He reminds me a lot of Terry Bradshaw. Bradshaw threw a lot of picks. I never rip Cam for picks. I rip him because I don't know what mood he's in half to half and he can't hit Christian McCaffrey on a swing pass out of the backfield and sails it over his head. Yes, Sam Darnold's

going to throw picks. Lots of them. Isn't the preseason where you want him to throw those picks? This is literally the best time of the year for him to be throwing picks. Throw it down the field. Let's go. Ask her out. Angel investor. People get all worked up on this stuff. What I don't want...

Just because we're so excited, Colin. What I don't like is safe. Hey, Lakers went after LeBron. They went after Paul George. One said no. One said, yeah. They're pretty good today. They put it out there.

Paul George were interested. LeBron were interested. By the way, they put it out there. Kauai, we're interested. All right. I'm all good with it. They hit one for one, one for two so far. I think there's one that situation. Yes.

By the way, they were all public. They weren't covert. They didn't hide it. They're like, yeah, those two leak stories. We like them. I think they're okay today with that aggressive nature and putting it out there. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the I-Hard Radio app.

So I got a lot of people saying, Colin Baker Mayfield, what do you think? He owned you on your show. In your face, he looks like he's amazing. And I thought to myself, he looks like I thought Baker Mayfield would look like. An accurate thrower of the football moves around pretty well. Little frantic at times, small, wish he was bigger. But the issue with Baker isn't whether he's accurate enough and good enough to play in the NFL.

I've always said he is. I've never, Joy's been here. I have never once said he's a bust. He can absolutely play. He throws too accurate of football. The three NFL GMs that I regularly tweet all thought of him as an NFL quarterback, most early second round late first, did not think he was the first or second best quarterback in the draft,

but thought he was a very competent quarterback with a lower ceiling than all the fanboys think. But my question with Baker is he's going to have more to overcome. When I think, this is what I mean by it when I watch Cleveland, because I actually like some of their players. I picked him to be six and ten. I don't think it's far-fetched to think they could be eight and eight if they stayed healthy and they stay on plan, they start tie rod, and then maybe around Thanksgiving, they give Baker a shot. But you got to remember, the AFC North is like a big family, and it has been forever. The Steelers are the very successful father of this family.

They've created generational wealth. They've evolved brilliantly. They've got a college wing named after them. They're still very sharp as they've aged. They own their own company. it's been 50 years of quality products, the Steelers. Baltimore is the successful son of that father. He'll always be in Dad's shadow, but he's had some real success on his own.

He's built a very strong brand and family. There have been ups and downs, more volatile than Pittsburgh, perhaps, but tough-minded and mostly dependable quality year and year out. Cincinnati is the less successful son of the father of the Steelers, sort of the red-headed son. Disciplinary issues. They always die in the spotlight. The bingles, even when they have talent, they're 0 for seven in the wild card round,

their last seven times in the playoffs. Every time they're in a big game, Monday night, Sunday night, playoff game, they shrink. They're kind of the red-headed, less successful son of the Steelers. The more successful son of the Steelers is Baltimore. And then, of course, there's Cleveland. That is the loser's son of the. of the loser son of the father.

They're just too far removed from good DNA. They're incompetent, bizarrely low self-esteem, constant chaos, multiple marriages. Kids are in trouble. They're in trouble. So that's what this division is. It's no shot. But I got a 40-50-year history of the family called the AFC North. And there's the successful dad, the Steelers.

his really successful son, always living in dad's shadow, but has made his own brand, Baltimore, the less successful son of the Steelers, the red-headed stepchild of the division, had opportunities, but just can't rise in the moment like the successful son, Cincinnati. And then Cincinnati had a son, his name is Cleveland, and he's just a mess. Too far removed from good dad DNA or something. So it's not that I don't think Baker has talent. I've never said he's a bust. But man, he's got a lot to overcome.

Mike, Ben Rothlessberger comes in this league. He inherits the Roonies. He inherits Coward. Then he gets Tomlin. He's got Heinz Ward. He's got Antonio Brown. He's got good offensive lines. He got Lavian Bell.

He's got good game day income. They're well funded. They get free agents. They draft well. That to me, the AFC North is the most predictable family in the last 40, 15. 50 years in this league. And so even if Baker's good enough to play, and he clearly is, he's got a lot to overcome. What's up, everybody?

John Middlecalf, the three-and-out podcast brought to you by Colin Coward's podcast Network. If you like Colin's show, you'll like mine. I talk a ton of football. This week, talk about Sam Darnold. He has it. Talk about Hugh Jackson. He's terrible. Talk about Jalen Ramsey.

He sure gives a great quote. You can find me wherever you listen to your podcast. Again, John Middell Kopp, former NFL Scout, my podcast is called Three and Out on Colin Coward's Podcast Network. We do it every Monday at this time where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong over the last couple of weeks, here we go. Where Colin was right? Okay, I said one of the teams in the NFL that everybody thinks is just going to make the next step to win the Super Bowl is Minnesota. They were 13 and 3 last year. Everybody loves the Vikings.

And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're going to pull back. Two reasons. Number one, they have a new offensive course. coordinator, and that takes time. Number two is they were bizarrely healthy last year on defense. Well, what do you know? This weekend, they had six injuries, three on defense, some season ending. I'm sorry, but a lot about this sport is just good luck.

And defensively, schedule coordinators, they got a lot of things going for them last year. Now they got injuries. We still have the biggest preseason game to come. We've got 16 regular season games. Green Bay is better. We already know they won't be as healthy defensively as last year, and we haven't even gotten to the biggest preseason game yet. Where Colin was wrong.

It would have not surprised me if you would have told me that Rob Gronkowski, Gronk, came into the NFL, bought a yacht with his brothers, and wasted all his money drinking Bud Light. Instead, according to a recent story, New England Patriot teammates now, go to Gronk for financial advice. Yes,

Gronk has become the Patriots poster boy with Brady for financial smarts. In a million years, I would have never guessed that Gronk would become the Warren Buffett of the NFL. He has reportedly never spent a dollar of

his earnings. He still wears high school clothes around town. Good luck. And he lives, no flashed she purchases, lives off his endorsement money. Gotta be honest with you. That's

a shocker to me. Gronks father's a successful businessman and he put it in all of his sons to make sure they take care of their money. I whiffed on that one. Where Colin was right. Said a couple years ago keep your eye on Jacobi Brissette. He's big, he's tall, he can move, he's got a good arm.

Bill Parcells loves him. And I said he just hasn't been given the opportunity, but this guy is a second round talent. He is either the best backup in the league or he's a starter somewhere in this league. I really like him. Well, what do you know? Pro football talk reported the Seahawks offered a second round pick for him. They like him too. Remember, Jimmy Garoppolo went for a second round pick. Who was on the air for three years saying Garoppolo's a starter in this league? He went for a second round pick. I have been saying for years,

Jacoby Brissette hasn't had the right coach and the right opportunity. Well, Seattle, it's interesting why they would go after him because they have Russell Wilson. Maybe they feared Russell Wilson, getting hurt with that offensive line. He runs around a lot. Pro football talk reports, yeah, Seattle considers him an elite quarterback prospect, like a Garapolo who also went for a second rounder. Where Colin was wrong. It's early, but of all the quarterbacks drafted in the first round, Josh Allen at Buffalo to me had the biggest whiff potential. I watched him at Wyoming. He was an overstrider.

He was inaccurate. In that conference, you got to give Buffalo coaches credit. He no longer overstriads. He's cleaned it up. He has been the shock of the five first round traffic. Everybody else has sort of looked like you think. Lamar Jackson looks a little anxious, little overwhelmed. Donald looks good, but a little reckless. Baker Mayfield's small and accurate, runs around. He'll make it in this league. Josh Rosen told us a beautiful football. Josh Allen has been shockingly good. I think he'll start week one. And you've got to give Buffalo's coaching staff some credit here. He had crappy mechanics in college. I've watched him now play twice.

They have completely cleaned him up. And he looks like he could be given time now, but he throws the ball with real accuracy. Always threw it with Zip. Now he's an accurate thrower a couple months with his coaching staff. Where Colin was right? We predicted a couple of weeks ago. Twitter was going to explode when the NFL came out in the preseason

and called a ton over-officiated helmet rule hits. And an official. came out on TV and said they're going to overcall this so they can collect the database and they're going to collect the database and then they're going to go in before the season starts and say, all right, here's all these calls. Yay, nay, good, bad. Well, what do you know? Twitter's exploding.

The world can't get over itself. Everybody's freaking out about all these folks. It's what we told you's going to happen. If your company you work at says today in an hour we're going to have a fire alarm and then there's a fire alarm and you're screaming down the hallway, you're an idiot. The NFL told us we're going to over-call this for a month, collect all the data and all the footage, then go back, shrink what we call a helmet rule infraction.

We're all going to be okay here, guys. We're all going to be okay. Where Colin was wrong. I'm anti-golf guy. If I interview you for a job on any show I've ever done, I always try to fool you and go, oh, I love golf. Do you love golf? And if you say, oh, I love golf, I'm on PGATour.com all day.

I don't hire you. golf sidetracks you. Golf becomes a fascination. You're on internet all day. You're playing golf. You're scheduling going to Scotland right in the middle of the football season. I'm an anti-golf guy. I am not a golf guy, Colin.

That's why. It distracts people. Well, I'm wrong. Steph Curry has proved that you can be great at golf and other stuff. Steph Curry says this weekend, the Timberwolves didn't draft him because he told him how much he liked golf and how he was fascinated with it. and the Minnesota GM at the time said,

well, if you like golf, you're not going to play much in Minnesota, and you're going to be miserable here. See, it better go somewhere that you can actually play some golf. So Steph Curry is great at something and is great at golf, which I didn't think was possible.

Well, Minnesota really, they made the right choice there, huh? Where Colin was right? Johnny Flynn, I think, who they picked. You ever notice Roger Federer, Nick Sabin, the New England Patriots, Yukon Women's Basketball, Serena Williams, didn't create their own nicknames.

I've always had a theory. When you start giving yourself a nickname a little too early, you're always toast. Legion of Boom! Yeah, that thing's over. Lob City! Yeah, that thing's over. You know what's not over? Serena Williams.

Nick Saban, Patriots, Spurs Dynasty. By the way, Jacksonville, for the first time and forever is decent, and what did they do, Joy? They gave themselves a nickname. Saxonville. Well, what do you know? Jalen Ramsey came out this weekend and ripped everybody. He said Josh Allen at Buffalo's trash. Garopolo's all schemes.

Dak Prescott isn't the leader of that team. Joe Flacco sucks. Matt Ryan's overrated. And Andrew Luck isn't very good. Oh, great. Often teams you'll be playing and you put a big target on your back. But my bad, you've got a cool nickname. Saxonville.

You know who doesn't? Alabama. Serena. Federer. Where Colin was right? Finally, Daryl Morey, Houston GM, MIT, Sloan Analytics Conference, finally came out and said what everybody's petrified to say, I know you're landlocked on this six-for-six thing,

but analytically, analytics are a magnifying glass to the truth. LeBron's better than MJ. Six-for-six, six-for-six, six-for-six. Bill Russell's got 11. Robert Orie's got seven. Casey Jones has like eight or nine. Can you stop with a six for six? Here's another number.

Points, rebounds, assists, finals appearances. Those numbers all favor LeBron. Darry came out and said it's actually analytically, not even that close. For the record, LeBron has five more years. Minimum. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Eight years in the NFL. All right, Chris Sims.

You've been a young quarterback. You know the pressure. You know your dad's a legend in New York. Let's talk Sam Darnold. Would you start him week one if you're the Jets? Yes, hands down I would start him. I've heard some of the things you've said about Sam Darnold, and I agree with a lot of the things you've said about him.

First of all, I've been around him, and just on a personal level, his personality can handle the New York City environment. He is very flat line, can be like Phil Sims or Eli Manning, where it's never too high or never too low. So, yes, I would start them. And you know, I know. The Jets aren't going to the Super Bowl this year. We know that.

So get on with it. The NFL, the quarterback position, it's so hard for practice to emulate 70,000 fans, the coach in your ear. Oh, and Von Miller's trying to rip off your head for real. The only way you can get used to that is getting out there on the field. And I think he's looked pretty good so far in the preseason. I would start him if I'm the Jets. By the way, Chris, sometimes, and I'm guilty of this, we forget what kind of college coaching you had.

You know, Marcus Marietta had Chip Kelly, and then he goes to the NFL and his coach is already fired, is that when I watch Josh Allen at Wyoming and how bad his mechanics got, then I watched him with this Buffalo staff. I'm like, time out. Like this kid with better coaching, he was an overstrider. He was wild. I watched him this weekend.

I got to be honest, Chris. I think I was way wrong on this kid. I think a lot of people were wrong. I'm not going to sit there and point at you personally. I'd like to take a few jabs at you, but I won't. I mean, he is. He's a big-time talent. And the things you saw in college, they were concerning, certainly.

There's no doubt about it. But you do have to take into the full scope of protection, the environment that he played in, which was in the blizzard sometimes. His team was not capable of competing against some of the other teams he played. He had no big-time receivers. But it's always easier to take. teach the home run hitter how to hit singles than it is the singles hitter to hit

home runs. And that's what Josh Allen is. He's a phenomenal athlete. I really give credit to, like you've said, the Bill's coaching staff and Jordan Palmer. Jordan Palmer, we saw a senior bowl combine. The mechanics were starting to clean up little by little. But I'm with you. I think he's been the most

impressive rookie quarterback to this point. Just the pure physical ability is jaw dropping at times with his arm and then his ability to escape the pocket, break tackles. And turn the corner. I think he's turned the corner more than any of other these rookie quarterbacks, even more than Lamar Jackson. But I've been super impressed. And like Sam Darnold, I think he has the personality, again, to be a starter. I'm so sick of

hearing, oh, we don't want to ruin him as a rookie quarterback. Well, if he gets ruined four games in the year of his rookie season, then he's not your quarterback of the future anyways, right? So get him out there, get him playing, and let's move on and try to get him those reps. Yeah, you sound like Joy Taylor. She's always saying, Colin, if he's good, he's good. You going to have a bad album. Just, you know, I mean, Drew Brees had a bumpy start. Guys have had bumpies over, overcome it. Now, I will say this with Baker Mayfield. I've never thought he's going to be a bust. I think the ceiling's way lower than everybody else thinks. But if you're the Browns, and I actually think they have a good offensive line, run blocking line,

they have a good slot receiver, they got some pass rushers. I actually think they're not the Jets where they have no old line. They could help them a little. Would you go with Baker or would you go with Tyrod to Thanksgiving? I look at their schedule. Boy, it's really rough early, Chris. You could put Baker to the wolves. What do you do with that? Yeah, it is a tough decision. The Browns are a little bit of a different scenario. I always err on telling you, let's get the quarterback out there. If he looks good in the preseason, physically capable, like Baker Mayfield has, if he's understanding the offense, which it looks like he does to this point, I always err on saying, let's get the rookie out there. Like you said, Drew Breeze, he hit a few bumps in the road.

Peyton Manning's rookie year was nothing great, but I know his second year, he went 13 and 3 and was the number one seat in the AFC playoffs. So I do want to say play Baker, but the Browns have also been 1 in 31, and they are trying to create a new culture there, a winning culture. They're trying to get some veteran leadership. That's why they bring in a Tyrod Taylor and a Jarvis Landry. The defense is real. The offensive line is real as well, and they should be able to run the ball to help out whatever quarterback it is. I just look at it right now and go, man, if Baker-Mayfield plays another good game, pre-season game number three and pre-season game number four,

wow, it's going to be hard to stop that Cleveland fan base from really clamoring to get him out there. And what are they going to do? Are they going to go to the playoffs with the Tyrod Taylor and then abandon ship? I don't think so. Again, I think if he is an understanding of the playbook and you feel like he's mentally capable of going out there on the field, I would start him too. Tyrod Taylor's a good player, but I don't think he's a good player, but I don't think he's the future of the franchise.

I think he's a guy that, you know, manages an offense, takes care of the football, and makes a play from time to time. But I do think Baker Mayfield's potential is better than a Tyrae Taylor. By the way, Andrew Luck plays tonight. I said he went 11 and 5, 11 and 5, 11 and 5, with a hideous offensive line and no running game and a defensive-minded coach. I think he's going to rebound. We're going to get six, seven great years of him.

Talk about injuries because you played Tampa Bay five years. You played for Denver. You played for Tennessee. and you got banged around a little. When you're coming off an injury, how hard is it for Andrew Luck and quarterbacks to not hear footsteps now post-injury? Yeah, right, yeah.

I mean, he's a superstar, and that's why he's Andrew Luck, and that's why I'm Chris Simps sitting here talking to you. But he is fearless. I'll say, coming off injury, the speed of the game, you always hear that, right? The game slows down for the guys that are really comfortable. Brady, Aaron, Rogers, they see the game in slow motion.

I know when I came back from injury and I was out of football for over a year as well, I felt like it was just chaos at first. It took me a while to get used to the people around me in the pocket, the speed of the receivers once again. Andrew Luck, being the natural he is, he looked pretty damn impressive last week against Seattle. And I look for things like, you know, what did his mechanics look like? Were they any different? Did the ball pop out of his hands with, you know, less velocity, less spiral on it?

All those things, it looked like the old. Andrew Luck to me. I thought it was a good start. And I do think people have forgotten that Andrew Luck was without a doubt one of the five best quarterbacks in the sport, or at least in that conversation before this injury. Yes. And I do think he will get back to that form with Frank right now there. And that offense, it fits his skill set. They're building an offensive line finally. And I think we'll see the return of Andrew Luck in a big way. I think he's going to show Jaylon Ramsey who he is a little bit. NBC Bleacher Report, NFL analyst. Convince your dad. He can come on our show too. We'd love to have him.

Chris, it is great seeing you. Thanks, Colin. I appreciate it, man. We'll get that on here for you, for sure. All right, thanks. Chris Sims, good stuff. NFL eight years. Played at Texas, knows his stuff. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

I was thinking about this watching Baker Mayfield. I'm not anti-Baker. I told you before I wouldn't have drafted him number one because I believe that because of that city and that northern climate, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, or the NFC North, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. You need a big, strong guy. And I was saying this, 14 of the last 20 presidents and the last five all went to the Ivy League.

If you want to be presidents, there's a pathway to success. Go to the Ivy League or Stanford, right? Or maybe Duke. In the NFL, if you look at the AFC North in the NFC North when I'm watching Baker Mayfield, I'm not doubting that Baker Mayfield in August can look really good. But you start adding up the Super Bowls in AFC and NFC North history since Terry Bradshaw, and there's 11, and 9 of the 11 had bizarrely unique arm strength. And the two that didn't McMahon and Dilfer were big, thick dudes, like built for the winter, like bears.

It is hard. I've seen Cleveland draft, Colt McCoy, Cody Kessler, Baker Mayfield. That can work in a dome. That can work in Arizona. That can work in Atlanta. That can work in Carolina. You get to these northern climates, man, October. It's raining.

November. It's raining sideways. December, January. I'm not anti. I'm just saying they passed on Carson Wentz. They passed on Sam Donald. They passed on Josh Allen. I like in cold climates, big, strong arm quarterback.

Matt Ryan is not the same guy if he's playing in Green Bay. Aaron Rogers, that ball cuts through that wind. That ball, Josh Rosen's going to work in Arizona. I wouldn't like Josh Rosen in Pittsburgh. Climate matters. This is not like the NBA were indoors. And I think that's one of my things about Baker is, if Josh Allen hits, that's going to be a bad look.

That is not going to be a great look for Cleveland. If they passed on Wentz, Donald, and Josh Allen, bigger, stronger guys. Because I don't doubt Baker can succeed, but he looks small. And he didn't have a big, he didn't have a big old arm. And it's the North. And we have a history. You want to be president? Last 20 presidents?

14 went to the Ivy League. Last five went. There is a pathway to success. There's also a pathway to failure. If you do certain things before the age of 25, it increases your, you know, chances to be in financial peril. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, Cowherd. It's the best for last. All right, five rookie quarterbacks we've seen so far in the preseason. And so I thought, you know, I think all of us are thinking who's going to start, who's not going to start, when are they going to start? And so I thought, we're taping this, right?

We're going to put this on tape, and I'm going to make my predictions now. I may wildly whiff on this, but we'll go back and check how accurate I am. So John Goulet, you name the rookie quarterback, and I'll talk us through this. All right. First, Lamar Jackson. I've always felt Joy. He's project more than prospect. I don't think he's ready to sit in the pocket and throw 35 times. He needs a running game and he needs time. And that's been illustrated by his 39% completion percentage.

He's raw and he needs a lot of time. And I don't think he should start at all in his rookie year. But this is a proud franchise. The Steelers are going to be great. They're pulling away from their rival Baltimore. Flacco's just kind of vanilla. And so I went to the stretch of games where I think Baltimore could be in trouble. And week six through nine, they're at Tennessee, Saints at Carolina and the Steelers.

And that's either a one for three or an O for four and it's really bumpy. And then week 10, Joy, they have a buy. Week 11, they host the Bengals. So I'm going to go projected start date. I do not think he's ready. but Lamar Jackson, week 11, at home against the bingles, off a bye. The crowd will be whipped. There's a Tebow fascination, young, flashy, fun, unique.

That's when Lamar Jackson starts. I don't know if he starts. I don't think he starts this year. I don't either. I don't think he's ready. I'm just going to roll the dice on that. I saw what Tebow did. He wasn't ready either.

All right, let's do the next one. Josh Allen. Well, Josh Allen's the Buffalo kid who's looked really good. He's completed 56% of his throws, his passers. Reddings 93 and A.J. McCarran's hurt. And Nathan Peterman, who's got a clothing catalog, I believe, is not great. And I also think, as Rob Ryan said, they have the right defensive staff and the right offensive coordinator. Listen, I think he's going to start week one

at the Ravens. I think they're going to throw him into the fire. And it's going to be bumpy. It's going to be really, really bumpy. But his advantage is, A.J. McCarran's out with the right shoulder injury. And nobody in Buffalo wants to watch Nathan and Peterman. And this historically losing franchise got to the playoffs last year, and they want some fun.

And this is a good staff, and he already looks elevated. So I stay, he starts Josh Allen, week one at the Ravens. He's going to lose, and it's going to be choppy. But I think that's the one I feel very strongly about. I totally agree, and I think it's the best thing for him that he starts week one. There's no problem

with making a few mistakes, or a lot of mistakes. As long as he doesn't throw five interceptions in the first half, like Nathan and Peterman, and he's good to go. John? Josh Rosen. When will he start? The unheralded story of the preseason that Sam Bradford has not thrown an incompletion. They're not going to play a lot of Bradford, but Sam's a big, strong quarterback who's been in this league a long time.

Now, we also know Bradford gets hurt a lot. And we also know that Josh Rosen got hurt in college. They don't want to foist him up and get eaten alive. So I think they'd like to play Bradford as long as they can. But there is a stretch late in the year. When the Cardinals' average offensive line faces the Seahawks rush in week four, they're at Minnesota's rush in week six. And they're at, they host Denver week seven that's got Bradley Chubb and Vaughn Miller. And I think between week four and week seven, too many physical defenses, too many pass rushes.

So I say week eight, October 28th, hosting the Niners in division, Josh Rosen, They don't want to start him, but in Bradford's, it look really good, and they like Bradford, and they'd like Rosen to stay out of the crosshairs of that O line, which is old and not overly talented. By the way, I've watched that O' line is bad. It's not good. So that's my week eight prediction there. Well, unless they plan on doing a massive overall haul of their offensive line next year, so their plan is to sit Josh Rosen all this year, then I think that makes sense.

But they knew what their offensive line was when they took Josh Rosen and they knew of his injury history and certainly knew of Sam Bradford's injury history. So I think he starts later this year, way later when they're out of playoff contention. But with Sam Bradford, we can only go off of what we've seen, which unfortunately is lots of injuries. Next. The guy, you are our highest on of this entire class. Sam Darnold. 72% completion percentage.

Here's the big, I didn't think he was going to start week one. He's as good as I thought he would be. I thought he would be a good pro. He's going to throw picks and makes mistakes because he plays kind of fast. but they have the weakest schedule in the league early. They play Detroit with a new coach, host Miami, go to Cleveland, Jacksonville's tough, but then they get Denver at home, Indianapolis. I got to be honest with you.

Just go for it. I mean, listen, Teddy Bridgewater, it probably won you more games in the first six. But if Sam can give you three and three and Teddy gave you four and two, this offensive line is not good enough to win your playoff games. I'm going to go NFL start week one at the Lions. I really, I didn't think this going in. I thought, you know, go with Teddy. I also think if Teddy looks good in week three or Teddy looks good in the first couple of weeks,

you trade him, I kind of believe the schedule works in their favor. They don't face New England until week. Listen to this. Week 12. So he didn't have to face the Zeus of coaching, the Mount Olympus, Belichick, until week 12. I think to go with Sam, week one. I totally agree. He should be starting week one.

Got to get him out there, let him make mistakes. He's making mistakes in the preseason as you assumed he was going to. But he's a future. of your franchise. He's got to get out there at some point. Why not? What do you have to lose? Your favorite rookie quarterback, Baker Mayfield. Well, Tyrod Taylor right now is better. By the way, if you'll watch the Cleveland Browns play, Tyrod Taylor's complete in 75% of his throws, touchdown no pick, 134 quarterback rating. Cleveland's actually got a pretty good run-blocking offensive line and some tasty wide receivers.

Tyrod Taylor's just whipping it around the field. We're kind of falling in love with Baker here, and I get it. But Tyrod's the better quarterback right now, and don't forget. Don't forget, Hugh Jackson wants to win games. I have a theory on what's going to happen. They're going to face Pittsburgh and New Orleans to start the season and go 0-2, and the owner's going to go start Baker. And Hugh Jackson's going to go, give me one more week, and then they're going to play the Jets and beat him because they have better players in the Jets. And then the owner's going to say, okay, then they're going to go to Oakland and they're going to lose to Gruden and Derek Carr,

and the owner's going to say, okay, play Baker. And this time, Hugh Jackson, who was 016 last year, is not going to have the leverage to push around the owner. and here's what's going to happen. Week 5 at home, Ravens October 7th, Baker Mayfield starts. O and 2, beat the Jets, lose to the Raiders, coming home, fans are clamoring for Baker Mayfield, and they're going to want to start, and they're going to be like a one-and-three team at home, divisional game, a little TV game, and the owner's going to say, Hugh, you won the first argument, start Baker Mayfield.

Well, I think you are correct. But it does bother me that you pick any player number one overall in the draft and don't start them week one. They should be ready to go. They should be pro-ready at the number one overall pick. But everything that you're saying is true. And I actually think that this is a worst setup for Baker. I think that he should start week one. They're not even giving him snaps with a first team offense.

They're not even given it. No, Tyrod is going to start week one. And he is better right now. But I just think that you take any position number one overall, they've got to be ready to play. You got one more, John? Last one, the guy who doesn't really get mentioned very often. Mason Rudolph. He was picked by the Steelers.

He was at Oklahoma State. Big Ben's 36. He's going to play three more years. So his first start is going to be in the year 2021. Is that fair? I actually think he's got some talent. He's just not going to play for a long, long time. Ben was very bothered about him.

Ben was. Took a little shot at it. Yeah, he's backed off a little bit. By the way, Mason Rudolph. could be the lucky guy in this whole thing. You're going to sit there. And by the time he gets into the league in three or four years, Juju Smith-Schuster will be like superstar, plus the Steelers,

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