The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 08/22/2018

Episode Date: August 22, 2018

Colin thinks the Browns are way too focused on things that don't matter and thats why they have a losing culture. He says the Eagles are reminding him of the Seahawks because of all their talking and... thats why their success might not be sustainable. Plus, NFL on FOX Reporter Peter Schrager tells Colin which QB could surprise the league this year and why the Cowboys might have a problem with Dak Prescott soon  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:25 searching Herd. This is the best of the herd. with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1. It is a Wednesday. We are packed news on Urban Meyer may break today.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Jamie Maggio is filling in today on the show. Long Island Girl, Eli Manning fan to a fault. Filling in for Joy Taylor today. It's great to have you on the show. Thank you, Colin. Now everyone's going to hate me. You said I'm an Eli Manning fan. Well, no, there's nothing wrong.
Starting point is 00:02:59 with that. It's going to be a Hall of Famers. He's got two rings. It's all good. Let me start with this. As a guy, let me just speak as a guy. There are certain guys I avoid. Guys that care about the wrong stuff. Car guy. You ever go to Twitter and see on an avatar, the picture that represents you, and a guy's got a car, not your mom, not your dad, not a pet, not a sister, not a brother, not a cousin, not a group of friends, not a, hey, look at my car. I got a car. I can buy a car. Dude, you care about the wrong stuff.
Starting point is 00:03:33 That's the picture you chose. A car. You ever meet a guy? It's got three nice cars and lives in a crappy apartment. Hey, champ, want you reel back on the autos. You can only drive one at a time. Why don't you put the money in a mutual fund there? Tiger, knock yourself out. It grows. You can buy a nice house, not live in a crappy
Starting point is 00:03:49 neighborhood, but have cool cars. Your Aston Martin's double parked. Guy that worries about the wrong thing. Car guy. You watch Hard Knocks. Episode, what was it, three? Do you notice in the last two episodes,
Starting point is 00:04:07 all they talk about, how excited they get about dysfunctional wide receivers? I mean, last night, it's all about Des Bryant rolls into the building. Oh, my God. Des Bryant's in the building! Episode two, it was Josh Gordon. Josh Gordon, the last time he was good,
Starting point is 00:04:25 Eddie Lacey was rookie of the year. He's played 10 games in four years. He's in three years, he's played five games. Josh Gordon. Here's Hugh Jackson. Reacting to Josh Gordon, just landing a plane in Cleveland. This is the head coach of a losing football team that's won a game in two years. The bird has landed.
Starting point is 00:04:46 The bird is here. Not in here, though. Not in here. But the bird's here. Has it been working out? Yeah. Yeah, Todd Haley from a winning culture, Steelers. on the Arizona staff that won a Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:05:03 head coach in Kansas City got him to the playoffs. Todd Haley looks really good in this series. He's like, who cares? Is he working out? Hugh Jackson's like, oh, the Eagle has landed. The last time Josh Gordon was good, Eddie Lacey was the rookie of the year, Peyton Manning was the best quarterback in the league,
Starting point is 00:05:21 Tony Gonzalez now at our network made a Pro Bowl, and 7 of 11 offensive all pros have retired. That's Josh Gordon's last full season. By the way, Jarvis Landry got into a fight. like him as a player, but he's all over the series. General manager John Dorsey yesterday, episode three, is talking to scouts about wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:05:39 I mean, they're talking about Antonio Calloway, another kid. He's all over it. Good God, folks. This is why the Cleveland Browns are the Cleveland Browns. You're the loser on Twitter that puts a car in your avatar. The guy with three fancy one that lives in a crappy
Starting point is 00:05:56 apartment. Avoid dumb guys. this is why they're the Browns. They're just fascinating. Not only with receivers, I mean, the best receiving cores don't win Super Bowls, but dysfunctional wide receivers who have told you for years what they are.
Starting point is 00:06:14 I mean, God, you think New England? You know what New England's been for the last 15 years? There are times they've had week-wide receivers, below-average running backs, not great at lineback. They're always good on the offensive line. New England's always good on the offensive line. That's why they're not on hard knocks. They don't talk a lot.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Oh my God. Josh Gordon's in town. Des Bryant's in the building. Look at my car on Twitter. I own a really nice car. Oh, my God. And I'll tell you something. The guy that looks really good in this series is not the head coach.
Starting point is 00:06:49 It's Todd Haley, the grown-up, who just came from, maybe you've heard of them, the winningest culture in the division, the Pittsburgh Steelers, who when he was a head coach, actually won games unlike Hugh, who was on that Arizona staff that played in the Super Bowl. This entire series, Todd Haley's come across, I admit, as really intense and grumpy, but Saban's intense and grumpy. And Belichick's intense and grumpy,
Starting point is 00:07:16 and Popovich is intense and grumpy. And successful peoples are really intense, and they sometimes are a little grumpy because people don't live up to standards and care about the wrong things in life and in football. ball. Let me shift gears to this. I want you to think for a second about a number. That number is 21, a two and then a one. 21. Lamar Jackson is 21 years old. Sam Darnold is 21 years old. Josh Rosen speaking to Arizona. Arizona Cardinals, 21. For the record, none of them,
Starting point is 00:07:59 none of them will turn 22 years old during the season. They're young, 21-year-olds. 21-year-olds generally in society get entry-level jobs, sometimes unpaid internships. 21 years old, you're a senior in college. This Friday, you're going to boogies, $5 all you can drink beers. That's appropriate for a 21-year-old. In America,
Starting point is 00:08:35 rental car companies would not allow Sam Darnold, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, to rent a car. Car rental companies would say, we don't trust Sam Darnold to get into a car, sit in a nice seat, GPS, put on a seatbelt, and drive without swerving into people. In America, our government,
Starting point is 00:08:56 when Sam Darnold first came into this league a couple months ago, Sam was 20. Our government would not allow Sam Darnold to walk into a convenience store and buy a beer. They wouldn't allow it. The government thinks, no, he's not responsible enough to have some hops and barley after dinner. 21 years old. They will now all take over billion-dollar franchises.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Go back to 2009. Only two quarterbacks ever at that time had stolen. started at 21 years old and qualified as starters. Bernie Cozhar and Drew Ledzo. Folks, we don't let them buy beer right before 21. They can't rent a car at 21. We have age limitations and restrictions all over America. Go back to your 21st birthday.
Starting point is 00:09:54 What were you doing at 21? I was a mess. And we're going to hand these guys, especially Darnold and Josh Allen, they're going to start week one. There's a real chance they'll start week one. So let's just do this. They're kids. They're kids.
Starting point is 00:10:17 I'm going to tell you, and I think two of them have a chance to start week one, Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold, this year if he starts, oh, it's going to be bumpy. It's going to be choppy because I watched every snap in college. He's going to throw for 17 touchdowns and he's going to have 14 interceptions and he's going to have seven fumbles and his pastes. and his passer rating is going to be 84.5. And oh, by the way, Josh Allen and Buffalo's got a little better arm, and I think they have slightly better receivers. He'll complete 60% of his throws.
Starting point is 00:10:47 He'll have 19 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. His passer rating could be even lower because he'll throw the deep ball a little more, 79.5%. They're 21 years old. By the way, that's not to say we can't criticize them. Lamar Jackson is not close right now to starting the league. he needs at least a year to learn the offense. I said that going in.
Starting point is 00:11:13 I called him a project, not a prospect going in, and I still think he is a project. I think Donald's a prospect. I think Baker's a prospect. I think Rosen's a prospect. But just think about two in front of one. They're going to be, this is a lot. The last time I had a 21-year-old on my staff here,
Starting point is 00:11:38 he fetched me coffee, and we didn't pay. I can't imagine giving him a $2.9 billion franchise in America's biggest city with the media, which is the most relentless, largest, smartest, most in-tuned sports-aware media in the country chirping at him. Lamar, Josh, Darnold, they're 21 and won't turn 22 in the season. Hi, everybody, it's Colin. You know I love perky jerky. So much so I invested in it. different crazy good flavors jamming Jamaican sweet and snappy original why do you have to choose there's no fun in that the new variety pack is a jerky lovers dream fans need choices too otherwise life and sports gets boring real fast try a different flavor every game special offer 40% off all multi-packs please use the code heard it's the best tasting jerky on earth guarantee get it at perky jerky.com code heard I like business. I like reading business books. I learn a lot. I don't know what I'm doing with business, but I'm fascinated by kind of the culture of business and why things work. And when you read a business book, business will often give you examples of what to do and what not to do based on history. This company failed because of this. And this company succeeded because of this. And I love the examples. I often use those examples in this show. Because I think sports is business. And I often connected to it. Just that's what I like to read a lot. And so when you watch something that succeeds, there's usually a process that you're duplicating.
Starting point is 00:13:20 There's usually a path to success, and there's usually also a path to failure. You can look at even for individuals, if you get pregnant in your teens, your poverty chances explode in America. So try to avoid that, right? There's paths to success and paths to failure. Here's what we know. In the NBA, in the NBA, it's a star-driven league. It's not a coach or a system-driven league. If you have LeBron, you win. If you have Kevin Durant, you win. If you have Steph Curry, you win. If you had Michael, Magic, Larry Bird, you win. If you had Wilk, Kareem, you win, Shaq, Kobe, all that stuff. But the NFL's different. The NFL's not about one guy. Even a great quarterback is muted if they have a bad offensive line and a terrible head coach. Even great coaches Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll have been fired when they couldn't get the quarterback right. It is a system. You have to memorize a playbook. You have a snap count. If one person moves a hand on the offensive line,
Starting point is 00:14:12 No matter how good Aaron Rogers is, tweet, penalty, back it up five yards. It's about a system. Here's something else we know about the NFL. It's not player-driven. It's personnel and community coach GM-driven. Quarterbacks are valuable, but again, they can't succeed with the wrong people around them. Cocky, outspoken is great in the NBA. LeBron can talk every day.
Starting point is 00:14:35 It doesn't really work in the NFL because you might be saying something, but everybody in the locker room doesn't necessarily buy into it. And a couple years ago, I was very critical of the Seattle Seahawks. Like, if somebody's going to talk on that team, make it Russell Wilson, not cornerbacks and defensive ends and Eds rushers. And they just got too cocky and too loud and too political and too outspoken. And what happened to the dynasty? Never heard Russell Wilson talk and he was at work watching film. And I watched the Philadelphia Eagles.
Starting point is 00:15:06 And listen, they got a great GM, Howie Roseman. Doug Peterson's on the show Friday. Obviously a sharp dude. Carson Wentz is all he's to me I was in love with Andrew Luck five years ago he's the new guy he's the new cat he is he is actually he's Andrew Luck but more athletic and I you know I mean seriously I think he's got a little better arm but man oh man do they look like Seattle here's their coach Doug Peterson excerpt from his book fearless oh boy won a Super Bowl got to have a book you know it made me mad watching Jacksonville they had New England right where they wanted him I was
Starting point is 00:15:38 screaming at the TV in my office when they knelt right before halftime and inside I was like, I'll never do that. I'll never do that. So he calls out Jacksonville. Now, he's writing a book. Anybody can take an excerpt from a book and blow it up. But the fact that a coach wins a Super Bowl a couple years ago, he wasn't even calling plays in Kansas City, and now he's writing a book. His team's making a lot of noise.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Lane Johnson, offensive linemen, suspended twice PEDs, has doubled down ripping the Patriots. They put billboards up in New England. Haunting the Patriots. Head coach. I wouldn't have done what Jacksonville did. Oh, boy. Folks, this is Seattle. Just look at the similarities between Philadelphia and Seattle.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Both have an elite all-time quarterback talent. Carson Wentz, I know he doesn't have a lot of years. He's outrageously gifted. You don't even have to know football. Carson Wentz is filthy good. He is, I mean, again, let's just say next seven years, he plays 14 games on average. That's a Hall of Famer.
Starting point is 00:16:44 It's not hard to spot Hall of Famers. You can see real quick with Aaron Rogers. That's a Hall of Famer. Deshawn Watson. You're like, oh, that doesn't look like everybody else. Russell Wilson, Steve Young. Seattle's got Russell Wilson. So both Philadelphia and Seattle
Starting point is 00:16:59 have a kind of flashy star quarterback. Both, by the way, have top-line defenses. Have you seen the defenses for Seattle? Those are some Legion of Booms all-time stuff. Philadelphia Eagles defense. It is loaded, especially in that front seven, it is loaded. Both Seattle and now Philadelphia have very expressive, outspoken cultures. The opposite, the antithesis of the Spurs, the Patriots, Alabama, outspoken, politically engaged. Both fan bases are like maybe the most intense in the league. I mean, Philadelphia,
Starting point is 00:17:41 in Seattle. Seattle has a name the 12th man. Philadelphia Eagle fans. Didn't they build a jail at one point in the bottom of the stadium because people were getting in fights? These are arguably the most intense fan bases in the league. Both, by the way, Seattle and Philly have been to three Super Bowls and have one win. And in both instances, they got books. They're doubling down, taking shots at teams with multiple Super Bowls.
Starting point is 00:18:07 By the way, both Philly and Seattle added outsource. political Michael Bennett. By the way, both Philadelphia in Seattle lost key coordinators after the Super Bowl, like Dan Quinn for Seattle, went to Atlanta. Oh, yeah, he's real good. Frank Reich is leaving Philadelphia going to Andrew Luck. Gut feeling is, yeah, that's going to work out. Listen, man, success is great.
Starting point is 00:18:35 But if you want to make it last, Alabama 10 years, New England, 18 years. NFL's not the NBA. Loud guy, talkie guy, billboards, taunting legendary coach quarterback guy. These eagle Seahawks, from quarterback to defense to culture to fan base to Super Bowl appearances, Bennett losing key coordinators. Now I got books.
Starting point is 00:19:04 The head coach got book. Got book. Does Bill Belichick have a book? Does Andy Reid have a book? I mean, Tom Coughlin had a book. I think it was after like 25 years coaching, multiple Super Bowls had a book. Jason Whitlock talked about this yesterday on Speak for Yourself. I see a team that feels like they're on top of the world and they've reinvented football and they are the end-all be-all football.
Starting point is 00:19:36 And I just think teams like that oftentimes get humbled. I just tone it down a little bit, Philly. When a second Super Bowl, then this will seem more justified. Yes. Doug Peterson's on the show, what, Friday? I am going to scold him on a book. I'm going to say, come on. I need more than two years coaching in the NFL before I get a book out. You know, he's buddies with Andy Reid, who's my all-time favorite guy.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio apps. Oh, he's my guy, Mr. Information. He's one of those guys that calls GMs like John Dorsey, and they call him right back. To be Peter Schreger via the Coward Global Satellite Network. A lordy, lordy, hard knocks. You know what, we'll see.
Starting point is 00:20:31 I want to talk about, you know, there's a lot of talk about Josh Allen in Buffalo and Sam Darnold in New York and Baker Mayfield, and Lamar Jackson's not ready. But, you know, we're talking about him. Is there a young quarterback interesting to you right now that people are talking about? I feel like we're in late August and we're not even ready for what's about to hit us. Colin, I hate to hype this up like a summer blockbuster.
Starting point is 00:20:53 The Patrick Mahomes era is about to begin and we got just a taste last Friday night. It was like man walking on the moon or the Beatles doing Ed Sullivan on my phone when he threw this pass. A 70-yard pass in the air in an NFL game. It hasn't been done since Aaron Rogers threw a Hail Mary years ago. And, Colin, this is a long time coming. Mahomes is about to take the league by storm. I don't know if the Chiefs are better off with Patrick Mahomes, but I do know we are.
Starting point is 00:21:18 All we hear about is NBA Twitter. This guy's about to blow up and explode on Twitter every Sunday because he is a freak. Remember Alex Smith took this team to the playoffs four to five years, and he did not leave as a free agent. The Kansas City Chiefs actively traded away Alex Smith because they felt they had a Ferrari in the garage that they were not using.
Starting point is 00:21:38 This kid is going to take the league by storm this year, And Colin, everyone I talked to in Kansas City is like one of those things where they're like quietly like just like, all right, we're not going to be the ones to say it. Just wait. I remember being at the Combine. Back in February, they had just traded away Alex Smith. It wasn't official yet. And I had someone from the chief's organization show me a video on their phone of him throwing the ball in practice 80 yards in the air. So as much as we want to go Google Gaga over Baker Mayfield and talk about how fantastic it is to have Deshawn Watson, this is the guy.
Starting point is 00:22:10 that a franchise is really banking on, and Colin, I'm telling you, because I know you love being on a stock early. Get on the bandwagon now, because every week there's going to be a pass like this. And then he has a no-look pass last year in week 17. Like a no-look pass across his body, Farve stuff. So I'm getting geeked up about it because I just feel like we're not talking about the Chiefs. And if anyone knows quarterbacks, it's Andy Reid. And Brett Veach, a young general manager, said I'd rather have this young guy than a guy who took us to the playoffs four to five years. Yeah, Bruce Smart guy. Peter Schrager joining us.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Okay, let's talk about, it's interesting. We know it in Buffalo, Josh Allen's probably going to start, and we know in Baltimore, Lamar's not ready, Flacco's going to start. We know most of this stuff. And we know that Bradford right now is better than Rosen, and that offensive line in Arizona is not good. They'd rather Bradford take a few pops early.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Here's the interesting one, though. The Jets have an awful offensive line, and Teddy Bridgewater is absolutely viable on an open market. You can get stuff for Teddy Bridgewater. To me, he's a starter for about eight teams in this league. So you're the Jets, Shragues, and you got Darnold. The schedule's pretty workable early, some winnable games. Do you play Teddy, win a couple, show him off and trade him?
Starting point is 00:23:22 You know, this is what the Eagles did. Bradford got picks, moved up. What are they going to do in New York with Bridgewater and Donald both, I think, good enough to play? Bridgewater, though, I think probably better today and certainly tradable. Well, Colin, I'm pretty connected with those. Jets guys, and they all say the same thing. What an embarrassment of riches, because it's not just Bridgewater who looks good, and it's
Starting point is 00:23:44 not just Josh McCown's a viable starter in the NFL also, so they have three guys. I would be surprised if they traded Teddy Bridgewater. Here's the reason why. He's 25 years old. He's taken a team to the playoffs, and he's been the ultimate veteran. He has taken Donald under his wing. So to trade him for a second round pick or a third round pick, that might make sense on paper, and people on fantasy football might say, oh, well, you trade him because he got Darnold.
Starting point is 00:24:07 You said it earlier in the show. Darnold is 21 years old. He's the youngest quarterback in the NFL. What's the rush? Bridgewater is 25. McCown is 39. They're both viable starters. This is an embarrassment of riches.
Starting point is 00:24:20 And I would not be shocked if Teddy Bridgewater got the nod. Even though everyone says Darnold's got the inside track, I know they love Teddy as well. And what he's overcome and what he has become in that locker room is a leader. So Teddy Bridgewater has a lot of supporters in that room. And that's nothing against Sam Donald or Josh McCown. He just might be the best. quarterback in that room right now. By the way, I was told by an NFL player, a guy who's been to a Super Bowl over the weekend, that the Jets don't have a quarterback coach. Only three teams don't because this player said that is the best quarterback room right now in the league, that Josh McCown is seen by NFL coaches as the next potential player who becomes a coach. So they love, they love McCown. Last year, he was done with the Browns. He was looking for a team. The Cleveland Browns offered Josh McCown at
Starting point is 00:25:07 38 years old, still an active player in the league, their quarterback's job. He said, no, no, I still want to play. Goes on to play for the Jets and then gets the biggest contract of his career, a $10 million one-year deal. But he was offered the Brown's quarterback's coach last year as a coach, and now he's with the Jets and Jeremy Bates is the offensive coordinator.
Starting point is 00:25:24 You're right. In that room, though, it's McCown's room. Shrague's, interesting year for Dak Prescott. So, I can break it down in two ways. I can say he's won 22 games in two years, only the Steelers and Patriots have won more. Or there's also this narrative that like, yeah, but you know, when Tyron Smith got hurt and Zeke was out, he's not the same guy,
Starting point is 00:25:42 Jason Whitten's gone. Is everybody, and sold is the wrong word, Shreggs, but I think it's a pivotal year for DAC, that there are still people in that room that are not a hundred percent sure. Am I wrong on that? Well, look, 2016, he was the face of the league. They were the number one seat in the NFC, and if Rogers doesn't hit Cook on that incredible pass, maybe the Cowboys win the Super Bowl. But last year did not go great.
Starting point is 00:26:09 They went 9 and 7, but it didn't feel like 9 and 7. Here's why it's so fascinating. Gough and Wentz, same draft class, our first round picks. So their teams have a fifth year option on those guys. That means they could be locked up for five years and they're entering their third year. Dak Prescott went on day three, a fourth round pick. So what does that mean? It means that he only has a four-year contract and he can start negotiating at the end of this season.
Starting point is 00:26:31 So a contract is looming for Dak. It feels like we just got to know him, but we're already at contract extension talk. time. And if he comes in without Des and without Witten and with that questionable defense and he lights it up and the Cowboys are America's team and we see him on Thanksgiving winning, he's going to be the guy for a generation for Cowboys fans.
Starting point is 00:26:49 He is the Aikman, he is the stalback, he is the Romo. But if he is not great and they take a big step back, don't expect them to back up the Brinks trucks just because he was good three years ago. It's a fascinating year for Dak because his contract already is an issue and it's going to come up at the end of this season. Eagles coach Doug Peterson's on my
Starting point is 00:27:07 show Friday. When he came into this league, I said, I don't know. He didn't even call plays with Andy Reed, and I was wrong. I mean, he was, I thought his Super Bowl coaching was unbelievable, aggressive. One of the rare times I thought Belichick in New England got outsmarted, and that doesn't happen very often. But God, he's writing a book now. He's taking a shot at the Jags now, and I'm like, y, y'all, y'i. Philadelphia feels like Seattle to me. A lot of talk, a lot of noise. Right or wrong. Do you feel it, too? And they added Michael Bennett. They added Mike Wallace. They added some guys.
Starting point is 00:27:39 It's not going away. They also get back Jason Peters and Jordan Hicks and Darren Sprouls. They believe they're on top of the world. And I'm okay with that. The best response, though, was Doug Marones. And no one really picked it up in the media because no one does one second of research. But he said, I read a good book this summer, too. It was by a guy named Mark Manson.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Google it. I googled it. The book is called The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Bleep. So I think Doug Marone had the ultimate comeback on that one. And if you know the Jaguars, they don't give up bleep. Shregs, look at Shreg. You look so happy. Feel good.
Starting point is 00:28:12 Football, baby. He looks so handsome and happy and full-faced in New York, and that show is doing you well. By the way, he's on our Sunday show on Fox NFL Kickoff. He's going to be here for most of the season on the show on Sundays. Great seeing you, buddy. Can't wait. I love coming on, Colin.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Thanks so much. What's up, everybody? John Middlecalf, the three-and-out podcast, brought to you by Colin Coward's Podcast Network. If you like Collins' show, you'll like mine. I talk a ton of football. This week, talk about Sam Darnold. He has it.
Starting point is 00:28:42 Talk about Hugh Jackson. He's terrible. Talk about Jalen Ramsey. He sure gives a great quote. You can find me wherever you listen to your podcast. Again, John Middell Cough, former NFL Scout, my podcast is called Three and Out on Colin Coward's Podcast Network. This is So New England.
Starting point is 00:28:59 So the helmet rule is getting a lot of talk. and players are complaining about it and TV announcers are complaining about it and everybody's complaint coaches yesterday Mike Zimmer's complaining about it everybody's complaining about it except Bill Belichick Bill Belichick says
Starting point is 00:29:15 well it's no big deal here's Bill Belichick it's not a change for us not a change for our coaching staff we've never taught that we've never taught tackling with the crown of our helmet putting our head down and you know leading our body forward in that type of position
Starting point is 00:29:31 I don't think fundamentally that's a good position to be in. It's not effective. And there's a lot of things that can go wrong besides getting hurt, and that's an important one. We've always tackled and blocked with our head up and our eyes open our head back so we can see what we hit. That's the only way I've ever coached it. And if we do it that way, then we'll be within rules. He's a step ahead every time. There was an amazing moment last year when they beat the Steelers.
Starting point is 00:29:56 And Jesse James for the Steelers caught a ball and extended it. into the end zone. And even though I hated the call, I understood the call. They took the touchdown away. After the game, New England players said, and this is so New England, we've always been taught not to extend after a catch because that's where the fumbles happen.
Starting point is 00:30:23 New England has Jesse James. They win that game. Pittsburgh should have been in the Super Bowl. New England players said, yeah, we're taught. that you don't ever extend because the numbers show that's where the fumbles happen. Even on the catch rule, everybody complained about it and New England was a step ahead. Remember a few years ago when the NFL had to ban, they had to ban the move. They did that play against the Baltimore Ravens.
Starting point is 00:30:49 They called it the genius formation, which was absolutely legal. They were a step ahead and the league had to literally, they had to have meetings because it wasn't illegal. They put a player as a receiver. It's legal to do it. They were ahead of the league and the officiating crews. There's an amazing stat about New England, and people don't consider this. Vegas considers fumbles to be random. In Las Vegas, if you have a year when you fumble a lot and then the next year you don't fumble,
Starting point is 00:31:23 they consider fumbles random. I would argue they're not as random as you think. fewest fumbles lost in the last decade. New England leads the league. But not only that, well-run organizations, Baltimore, Atlanta, Green Bay,
Starting point is 00:31:40 and the Colts five years ago were well-run. They had to just replace people upstairs. Those are all top-run organizations for at least five of the last 10 years. You don't see Cincinnati in there. You don't see Cleveland in there. There's a lot of, you don't see Jacksonville in there. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis played four years with New England.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Rush the ball over 500 times. Never fumbled. He went to Cincinnati for two years. Fumbled five times. Same player. Is that nobody looks at fumbles as anything other than random, even Vegas. Then why does New England lead it every year? Why are teams like the Packers,
Starting point is 00:32:22 who haven't always had great running games? Baltimore. Indianapolis five years ago, very well run. Every time a rule comes out, every single time a rule comes out, New England is ahead of the league. Everybody's freaking out about the helmet rule. Belichick's like, no, this is what we've taught forever. This is, there's nothing about this rule that will ever get us in trouble.
Starting point is 00:32:45 We will not be penalized for it. This is what we do. They're just smarter than other people. I mean, they just are. With that, Philadelphia, wins a Super Bowl. And I swear to God, billboards. Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Book. Their coach now has a new book. Belichick's got any books. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. We do it almost every Wednesday. I'm the stockbroker, and I give you advice on the stock you throw my way. Do you buy it?
Starting point is 00:33:19 Do you sell it or do you hold it? By the way, Joel Clats around the corner in 10 minutes. Here we go. Buy, sell or hold. Time to buy. Colin will decide if he'll buy it sell or hold all right first one buy seller hold Sam darnall we'll start week one okay let's not let's not hide the fact this is one of the worst offensive lines in the league one of the worst tight-end groups in the league and a very
Starting point is 00:33:49 marginal running back group I don't love the receivers either but they're better than those three and Sam darnald is completing 72% of his throws with an 82 and a half quarterback rating I got news for you. Well, it's a bunch of underneath routes. Have you watched the NFL outside of Big Ben? It's an underneath route league. Everybody's throwing underneath. You watch Tom Brady?
Starting point is 00:34:10 I mean, even Aaron Rogers doesn't go downtown that much. It's an underneath league. Here's the downside, though. Right now, Teddy Bridgewater is better. And I wonder if the Jets want to show off Bridgewater to teams around the league. And so when somebody gets hurt, and they will in September, they can move Bridgewater and get a couple draft picks and rebuild that running back core and that offensive line. So John, I'm just going to wait. Watch week three. I'm going to hold on this.
Starting point is 00:34:40 By Seller Hold, Baker Mayfield will start more than seven games this season. Well, by and large, rookie quarterbacks get opportunities. Jamarcus Russell 11 years ago was the last number one pick to not start at least seven games. You're in a division. You're in a division. vision where there's almost some guaranteed losses, like two to the Steelers. If you look at their schedule, we have an owner in Jimmy Haslam, who has been not only with the Browns, but Tennessee football, kind of discards coaches, whether he fires him or not, and he did retain Hugh Jackson, his opinion is going to be the opinion. Tyrod Taylor's better. In my opinion, for this entire year, Tyrod Taylor's going to be better. But you start looking at that schedule, and they're one and four,
Starting point is 00:35:28 and they're coming home. Think about October 7. October 7 is the start of the NBA training camps. The Indians are out of the playoffs. LeBron's gone and the city is begging to be owned by, for the first time and a long time, the Browns, October 7, I think Baker Mayfield is the starter. So John,
Starting point is 00:35:47 Bye, bye, bye, Baker will start more than seven games. Buy seller hold. All five first round quarterbacks will start at some point this season. In 99, you had five guys. quarterbacks drafted in the first round. Four of them started their rookie season. I think this really comes down to Lamar Jackson. Regardless of what anybody else said, I've always had the same opinion about Lamar Jackson. He is a project, not a prospect. He's not a guy that should play this year. And I've watched him through three games. He's got 42% completion rate. He's not ready to play in this
Starting point is 00:36:18 league. And Flacco, I think, is slightly better than Tyrod Taylor. Flacco is slightly better than Teddy Bridgewater. And so Flacco is best. better and Lamar is worse at this point than the other rookies. So John, sell, sell, sell. I don't think Lamar Jackson starts. I do think in November, if they're scrapping, there is going to be T-Bow-like chance to start the guy that's two or three in the depth chart. It's coming. By Seller Hold, a quarterback will win offensive rookie of the year.
Starting point is 00:36:51 You know what's interesting about this award? It's bizarre. 51 years, only nine times, has a quarterback won it. And for the record, do you know who I like to win this thing? Nick Chubb, running back Cleveland. I think they're going to lean on him heavy. We're all looking at Darnold. We're all looking at Josh Rosen.
Starting point is 00:37:10 We're looking at Josh Allen. Dak Prescott was the only quarterback to win that award over the last five years. So, John, sell, sell. A quarterback will not win offensive rookie of the year. Last one, buy seller hold. Alabama and Clemson will meet in the college football playoff for the fourth straight season. Clemson has the best defensive line in college football
Starting point is 00:37:32 since maybe the Miami Hurricanes about 15 years ago. Three NFL players in their defensive line, two of them, maybe three first rounders. Alabama's got the best coach system and their best offensive playmaker at quarterback in Nick Sabin's career. Washington's good but doesn't have the overall talent. The Big Ten will beat up on each other. So there's just too much parity at the top between Ohio State, Michigan,
Starting point is 00:37:59 State, Michigan, Wisconsin. So John, by, bye, bye, Bamma Clemson in the final. Again, sport getting a little regional. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. It is time for best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. A lot of times on this show, Jamie. I talk about cultures matter. And a culture really clicks when the coach or the GM and the quarterback all see the world the same way. Greg Popovich and Duncan saw the world the same way. Sometimes you have a coach who sees the world here and your star sees it differently. You want that perfect alignment.
Starting point is 00:38:49 And one of the reasons to me New England has worked is because Bob Kraft is very smart. Belichick tends to be an early adapter. And Tom Brady similarly is always evolving and looking for an edge. So they're all culturally aligned on how they see the world. And just to give you a sense of that, here's how Tom Brady sees fitness in Tom versus Time, the documentary. Everyone's educated of why, you know, lifting weights is or, you know, yoga or things like that are good. But you've got to balance those out with another area. Oh, you're getting in there today.
Starting point is 00:39:29 I've seen as I've gotten older. I've actually improved. I'm more durable now than what I was. And everyone says that's the exact opposite of the way that it should be. But I'm doing it different the way than everyone else is doing it. So again, adapting, evolving. This is why this culture works. Belichick's an adapter.
Starting point is 00:39:52 His star player is an adapter. Now, Cleveland's culture is slightly different, where you've got the owners thinking this way, a new coach that way. This is how the Cleveland Brown's attack fitness. This is their 67-year-old offensive line coach Bob Wiley. World War I, World War II, all those guys that are fought in that war,
Starting point is 00:40:16 right they did push-ups jumping jacks sit-ups to climb the open ran but none of this fancy okay right and they won two world wars two world wars by doing jumping jacks push-ups and sit-ups two world wars you think they were worried when they're running across normandy about stretching are you kidding me huh well let me see give me my rubber band so I can stretch to run across that be you got to be kidding me so the patriots Tom Brady is on the cutting edge of fitness, and with the Browns, they're getting fitness advice from World War II,
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