The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 09/03/2018

Episode Date: September 3, 2018

Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin and explains why Raiders head coach Jon Gruden did the right thing by trading Khalil Mack for 2 first round picks. He also tells you why Jim Harbaugh is still the right head coach for Michigan even if he's been a little disappointing recently. Clay Travis from Outkick The Coverage on FOX Sports Radio joins the show to disagree with Doug and tell him why Harbaugh is completely overrated.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. What up, Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin. Happy Labor Day to you. Hope you and yours are enjoying for some last weekend of summer, first weekend of football. Welcome in, wherever you may be, however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Collins off today.

We'll be back tomorrow. And we have NFL game week to discuss. Long time friend of the show, friend of Collins and mine, Danny Connell, football analyst for CBS Sports and Sirius XM host, of course, former Florida State quarterback. Get us ready for the Knowles tonight. We'll see DeAndre Francois, 2.0 coming off the torn ACL suffered last year early in the season. We'll talk some Knowles. We'll talk some Michigan, some Ohio State. And LSU seems to have quality or at least competent quarterback play.

could this be the year for the Tigers? Oh yeah, by the way, we'll talk about Grumpy Nick Saban. All of that to get to upcoming in the next 15 minutes. In the meantime, let's get to what I think is still the biggest story in sports, the biggest story in the NFL. Khalil Mack, star linebacker, formerly of the Oakland Raiders, is now a member of the Chicago Bears. And remember, the Bears drafted the best college linebacker in Roquan Smith, who held out a little bit for some language.

in his contract, Rokon Smith gets the team with Khalil Mack, who's a dynamic pass rusher. And as America and, of course, Twitter America, absolutely freak out. We have to take a breath and pause and understand that this is no different than the make-me-move price. Anybody ever been on Zillow.com? Okay, Zillow.com is a real estate website. there's others, there's Trulia, there's Redfin, there's, of course, Realtor.com. And Zillow has two different features.

One is called the Zestimate. That's where your house gets an estimate based upon what's seen as comps. Some are comparable, some are not. The other thing they have is they have something called the Make Me Move Price. In other words, you can list your house and say, look, my house is worth $400,000. But if you want to pay me $600,000, it's all yours. It's the make-me-move price.

And that's essentially what happened with the Raiders and Khalil Mack. Look, there's a bunch of things that go to it, right? There's the idea that the Raiders mismanaged their cap in the off-season. The Raiders also carry the baggage of having overpaid Nomdi OsamaWi back in the day. There's John Gruden thinking, Hey man, I've been sitting here watching the league for 10 years and two guys that chew up too much of the salary cap. That doesn't work. Vaughn Miller and Domic and Sue, they set the market before and the dolphins couldn't make it work.

And the Broncos haven't been as good either because you can't put a good enough team around them. And then there's Khalil Mack who waited and waited and waited and understood that his value kept going up, especially when the Aaron Donald contract came by. So the Raiders listed their house or listed Khalil Mack make me move. Hey, dude, you want to give me two first round picks? Give us a call. And the Bears picked up the phone and agreed to the making move price. And yeah, the Bears get a second round pick and return and the Raiders get a third round pick.

So essentially next year they flopped. The Raiders get the Bears third and the Bears get the Raiders second. But the Raiders now have two first round picks next year, two first round picks. the following year. And oh yeah, by the way, as much as Khalil Mack is a dynamic player, is anyone picking the Bears now to win their division or even come in second that division with the Vikings and the Packers? And oh yeah, by the way, the Lions don't exactly suck and they're better at quarterback. So it's not just that they're getting two first round picks. You're not getting a low first round pick from the Bears this year. You're getting a high. There are no lottery

protected picks in the national football. They set a ridiculously high. price and congrats to the bears. They had the, they had the cap space. They had the cash on hand. They had the $90 million guaranteed to get it done. And so what happens is we get all wrapped up in emotions. You may not like John Gruden because he hadn't been in the league for 10 years. You're right to question John Gruden, the trade from Martavis Brian, who they cut over the weekend.

They traded for a third round pick. The draft picks, they took a lot of chance, a lot of risk in the, in the NFL draft. They overspent. They didn't have cash on hand. The Raiders are cash poor. Like, you can question all of those things. But if you just ask yourself, as a non-quarterback worth two first-round draft picks, everyone in the NFL would say, like, no, nobody's worth that.

We all have a price. The Bears overpaid for a guy that they know is awesome, has never been hurt. And they're going to get him in the prime of his career. And they don't have a signature guy that they have to, that they have had to pay. They don't have to pay Mitch Trubisky yet for another. for another two years in terms of until new money starts. So while it's easy to freak out and say John Gruden doesn't know what he's doing, they've made mistakes.

I don't think they're in great shape in the short term. But in the long term, long term play, it works. For the Bears, short term play, it works. Long term play, probably will work out as more defensive players are going to be getting paid and they don't have to pay Tribisky. And if they nailed the Trubisky pick, they're going to be just fine. Here's John Gruden yesterday. as to why the trade took place.

Aaron Donald got signed. They're not, they don't have a quarterback that has been redone yet. I think the Bears made this trade. Trubisky's still on his rookie deal. It's tough when you have two players that are the highest paid, arguably, are close to the highest paid at their positions. So the economic part of it certainly weighs in. We've got free agents on our team that are going to be to be next year.

We've got to find a way to bring them back. So you've got a field of 53-man roster, and there are some implications of, of having two players making that much money. That's no mystery to anybody. There is a pie. I talked about this on Collins last week on Thursday. There's a pie.

And dude comes in and be like, man, you worked hard. You've done everything right. Go get yourself a piece of pie. And when you get a piece that's bigger than everybody, when you get two pieces that are bigger than everybody else's piece, then all of a sudden somebody's going to, somebody's down some pie. So you may not like it. You're a Raiders fan.

You may think the sky is falling. And of course, you're taking on the Rams that seemingly have, seem to have more pie than everybody else. Don't worry. The Rams day is coming. Rams are going all in on this year. The Raiders are like, I don't think we're winning this year.

We got to rebuild this thing. We got to rebuild it to win over the long term. We got our quarterback. Let's fill out the entire defense. We all operate like there's this blank slate. Every team has a blank slate every year. That's not the case. We do this with LeBron James going to the Lakers.

Why did they add Rondo and Lance Stevenson? Look, there's not a ton of great free agents to land, and some guys don't want to take one-year contracts. So what you have, you had the Lewaldane contract, they had to stretch. They had cap space for two max players. Instead of wasting it on a guy who wasn't a max player, they spent it on veterans over one-year deals.

Another deal for Contavius, Caldwell Pope, a deal for Rajan Rondo, a deal for Lance Stevenson, a deal for Javelle McGee. If the world occurred in a vacuum, those wouldn't be the players that you want to employ with LeBron James. But considering the context of this year

and trying to stay fluid for years to come so that you have cap space so you can go out and get a, Kowai Leonard, a Clay Thompson, and Kevin Durant next offseason, that's what the Lakers were able to do. And considering the constraints of the salary cap, they did the best they could. That's the exact same thing with the Raiders. The flaw to the Raiders was they didn't know or didn't feel like the Aaron Donald money

would ever come through. Or they undersold what the actual final number would be. Nobody will ever go to $90 million until they did. nobody will ever offer his two first-round draft picks until they did, you know. I mean, look, the Steelers are sitting there. Levyon Bell has not and will not report today to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Steelers, General Manager Kevin Colbert, just put out a statement like, hey, man, can't wait until he gets here.

We're going to proceed as if he's not playing for us this weekend. But the Steelers gave Antonio Brown huge money. Highest paid at his position at the time. Levyon Bell wants the same money for running back. Meanwhile, the Steelers, once they lost Ryan Shazier, their team suffered dramatically. There's a big pie. And though the size of the pie continues to increase, so too do the salaries. And you got 53 dudes, 46 on a Sunday.

You got to fill out. You got to have a quarterback, the most valuable and the guys that last the longest. You got to have talent at wide receivers. Oh, yeah, by the way, you got to have an offensive line. You got to have guys that get after the quarterback and guys to play the defensive backfield. There's a lot of stuff there. So I'm not sitting here killing Gruden. I'm telling you how the trade took place.

What screws it up is we all get emotionally tied to a Cleo Mac, and we all realize the Raiders didn't draft particularly well this year. But if the hit rate is 50%, two out of their next four first round draft picks should be really good players. Will they ever be Cleo Mac? No, but they'll be under rookie deals, and you'll be able to fill out the rest of your roster. And for the Bears, it did not have a signature play. that are playing in a division against at least two, and maybe we'll throw Kirk Cousins in their three Pro Bowl caliber quarterbacks.

You better get somebody gets after the quarterback. And they got that, and they had the salary room because they did not carry the burden of a quarterback that makes top, top dollar. It kind of makes sense. This is the sport. This is the magic to it. This is what continues to impress you about Tom Brady and the Patriots. It's like, they don't have anybody who's one of the top paid guys in their position.

yet they still find a way to throw out a winner year after year. Overpaying guys, even though they deserve to be overpaid at individual positions on defense, is what led to the downfall of the Seahawks. It's what shortened the two runs of the Ravens. And what's going to be really interesting about the Rams in the upcoming off season. In the meantime, Rams got dudes. Raiders seem to be playing for the future. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd.

days in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Doug Gottliebend. This is the herd Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app. Hey, do yourself a favor. I had a great long conversation with Jay Billis from ESPN. And if you download the All Ball podcast, that's in the Heard Podcast Network, I think you'll enjoy. It's two parts. We dropped part one last week, last Friday still up there. And we'll drop part part two at some point in time this week. So Jay Billis and I just chop it up. And we're not talking about, we're not breaking down Duke's roster, you know, or this year's

top 20. It's more his life, his basketball philosophies, our thoughts on the sport, the growth of the sport, just a bunch of other stuff, things that you didn't know about Coach Kay, playing against Michael Jordan in college, playing against Ralph Samson, three-time college player of the year in college, all that all-ball podcast on the Heard Podcast Network. Danny Cannell is a football analyst for CBS sports. He's got this show called Off the Bench with my guy, Rajah Bell. You can check it out live every day on CBS HQ or download that podcast. He joins us now on the herd.

Let's start. Let's kind of work backwards. Last night, LSU absolutely wallops Miami. And of course, the U, before the end of last season, people were saying with Mark Rick, it is back. But to me, it was about LSU's competent quarterback play. and an offense that everybody had finally figured it was on the same wavelength as opposed to last year with Matt Canada. What's your takeaway from LSU whooping up on Miami? So what's up, Doug?

Happy Labor Day, man. I was watching that game, and I was nervous for Miami in that game, because LSU has been kind of beaten down this offseason. A lot of people predicting a rough year for them, and Ed O's Ron could be on the hot seat, but they still have just some absolute dudes on the defensive ball. you saw that showcase last night. And I was, to be honest, I was worried about Joe Burrow, you know, being a transfer coming

from Ohio State, you just don't know how quickly a guy is going to be comfortable in a system. Is he going to be able to execute it? And at what level is he going to be able to execute it? And I thought Joe Burrow, more than the stat line, because it wasn't, it looked like a typical LSU quarterback stat line. He was 11 of 24 for 140 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions. But they did find a running back. And more importantly, I thought their defense.

set a tone. But as, you know, the story has to be about LSU winning. I do think this does present some very serious question marks for the Miami Hurricanes. Mark Rick, last year was, you know, supposedly they're coming out party. They come out. They have a big year. And then they did lose the last three games of the season, including an awful game at Pitt, which was a game they should have won. There's no harm in losing the Clemson. No harm in losing an orange bowl to Wisconsin. But you did kind of feel like, hey, if they want to be considered back, they needed to to win that game last night. And to me, they did not match the physicality of LSU.

And I also think they have a problem at quarterback with Malik Rozier. And I think you're going to see Nkosie Perry, a younger quarterback who was suspended for the game for violating team rules. I think you're going to see him sooner rather than later at quarterback from Miami. You talked about Joe Burroughs, transferred from Ohio State. And look, I watched Ohio State play. Their defensive line is phenomenal. but I mean the difference there is they also have really good quarterback play with Haskins this year.

Was J.T. Barrett just the greatest practice player ever? Like how did he keep his job? I mean, like, look, he made some plays in some big moments. But every time they showed limitations, it was J.T. Barrett. They won the National Championship when he was hurt. Like, was he just the greatest practice player ever? How did he keep his job so long? I'll tell you how he kept his job. You know, the one thing we learned about, Urban Meyer through this, you know, ugly situation with Zach Smith, he's loyal to a fault. Like he kept around a wide receiver coach, you know, and brought him with him to Ohio State. He's never fired an assistant coach that's been the big headline you've seen until he fired Zach Smith. He's loyal to a fault. And I think that probably is why you saw J.C. Barrett at the helm

for so long because Urban Meyer rewards players who are leaders. And J.T. Barrett was a good quarterback, but I did think at Hamstrung the Ohio State offense, and now that the reins are off, I think you see some of the top tier potential with the Dwayne Haskins, who really did shine. And he was impressive last year when he come in and limit to duty. But I think

Urban Meyer was loyal to his fault, not only with his coaching staff, which, you know, cost him a lot of his reputation, but also to his players on the field. And that can be a good thing. Like, that does send a message to the locker room, but it can also be to your detriment and can hold you back a little bit offensively. But, man, those rains are, they're gone.

on that offense because this is going to be a high-powered fun team to watch play. Danny Cannell joining us from CBS Sports in the herd. Doug Gottlie filling in for Colin. It's easy to take shots at Jim Harbaugh being eight and eight last 16 games. Some of that lacks context, not just in how close the games are, but last year playing with second and third string quarterbacks. But look, my working philosophy on this Michigan thing was Rich Rodriguez was a terrible fit. The Lloyd Carr people hated him. He didn't recruit. He didn't fit there. then they bring in a coaching staff that's better in recruiting,

but they weren't good enough in terms of actual coaching. Harbaugh is a dynamic coach and showed himself to be a dynamic recruiter. And we all thought that once he gets the right quarterback, it'll hit. Shea Patterson's a little bit different than the style of quarterback that he's always kind of wanted in terms of his athleticism ability to make plays. But I'm not as down on Harbaugh as everybody else. I think the story was really Notre Dame's defensive line against Michigan's O line and maybe Michigan not having a playmaker outside the numbers,

more so than it is Jim Harbaugh's lost control and Michigan is bound for a disastrous season. You watch the game with a completely different eye than most civilians. What's your takeaway? Doug, I love your take because it's a reasonable, rational take, but that's not what Michigan fans are, and most fan bases aren't. I'm not just slamming Michigan fans,

but I think there is a sense of panic around Ann Arbor. I put out a tweet the other day about what happened in 2014, Ohio State, week two, I believe it was. They lost to Virginia Tech at home. And there was a lot of people up in arms. Oh, my gosh, Ohio State's going to derail. They bounced back. They won the national championship,

started with beating Bama and the Sugar Bowl and the rest of its history. I could easily see Michigan bouncing back. I think we're sleeping on Notre Dame a little bit. This Notre Dame team has talent on it. And they came in kind of flying under the radar this off season, which is kind of crazy when you think about the rich tradition of Notre Dame. but I think people were sleeping on them a little bit and it was in their house, it was in South Bend,

and you had a chance to tie the game in the fourth quarter. Like I get that your expectation is to win those types of games, but I would not jump off the ship just yet if you're a Michigan fan. Again, like I was talking about with Joe Burrow, it's tough to transfer and walk into the program. Yeah, no, no, listen. Listen, dude, I transferred, I sat out of junior college and then I remember my first game at Oklahoma State

and you are so, you're just your hair's on fire because you want to prove to everybody how good you're to your new teammates, you want to prove their fans, and you want to win the game, and you're on the road. And like, look, if context actually matters, Notre Dame did nothing to move the ball in the second half. Zero. Nothing to move the ball.

Shea Patterson was cramping up, right? And the only thing that disappoints me is, I know they lost their top wide receiving talent to a broken foot, didn't play 10 games last year. I was, they did not seem like they had, had any real playmakers, enough playmakers to just go up and make a play. It was, Shea Patterson had to make some plays and more so than any. That would that be the one, that in the offensive line seemed problematic against

what I would agree with you, defensively, especially defensive line, Notre Dame underrated. Totally agree. They've got to have somebody step up. And Tariq Black is the guy your reference and the receiver was out, but they need somebody to step up and make big plays. It can't be all on Shea Patterson. I am curious to see what Harbaugh does offensively. Does he adjust?

Does he start to utilize some play calling that would fit Shea Patterson's skills a little bit better? Because yes, he's got a dynamic arm, but he's also more athletic than Harbaugh's had in the past, especially if you compare him to some of these QBs that he's had at Michigan. You know, I mean, Wilton Spate was a statue in the pocket. You know, John O'Corn, Jake Ruddock, those guys are your prototypical big six-four, six-five quarterbacks who can't run. Shay Patterson is elusive. So is he going to change and try to adjust to that?

Because if he doesn't, it could be, you know, trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. And that's where the best coaches, and this is what Jim Harbaugh wants to be considered. The best coaches adjust things to work for their talent. And if he doesn't, I think it could be a long year for Michigan. But if he does, I think they'll be fine. There's still plenty of opportunity for Michigan to kind of get back in the hunt and still make the playoffs. I mean, they're playing at a tough division. They've got opportunities.

it's up for them to go do it. But Harbaugh's got to galvanize his team right now when everybody's kicking him when they're down. All right, what's up with Sabin? I have my own thoughts on Sabin. I guess he called Maria Taylor to apologize for being Nick Sabin. Of course he did in private. Of course he did in private. You know why? Because he doesn't want to lose his intimidation factor over a lot of media who were scared to ask him a tough question. And because he shouts him down, I thought it was a really bad look for Sabin. Maria is a friend of mine, and that's not even why I'm saying it was a bad look. She asked the perfect question.

She said, what have you learned after watching your two quarterbacks play tonight? She didn't ask him who's starting next week. That would have annoyed me if I was saving. If you would have said, who are you going to start next week? She just asked for an evaluation, and he flipped out, and I get that he's been getting this question a lot. I get that. I understand that.

But he's the one playing games. Why don't just say it's Tua's job? Everybody and their brother who knows an ounce about football, and probably those who don't watch any football can see that Tua is the better quarterback for that team. so just come out and say it. Like the games and the back and forth and trying to keep everybody happy, it's just, it's kind of getting old.

And I think the way he treats the media is old as well. But it wasn't a surprise to me at all that he apologized privately because he doesn't want to be a jerk to somebody's going to have to work with a lot more times because Maria's going to have to cover a lot more of their games. But I think he could have done a better job of handling a publicly.

I think, right? Like, listen, I think I think the reason that he's not, he's not, he hasn't done it. It's all about, not just about potentially losing Jalen, but Jailen coming from Texas, dad being a high school coach. Like there's a lot to it. Like you can lose an entire area if you lose a kid. You know that really well. And the same thing with Tua, like they're going to get to his brother. And like right now, all of Hawaii wants to, you know, like, well, I'd go to Alabama. Why not? It's a plane ride away. It's all just a plane right away. And so you got to kind of be cautious about it. My issue with it was like,

dude, that's why you get paid all this money. You get paid to take a deep breath and the smile and say nothing, right? That's that you get paid for. You know, what, what do we learn? I got two great quarterbacks. I guess that I got two great ones. You know, Jail and made some plays, two made some plays. Man am I happy?

Thanks so much for coming. One in O feels good against a really well coached, really well coached Louisville team, right? I just, I just, I think there could be a situation where you could appease everybody. Yep. because of the new redshirt rule, you could play Jalen Hertz in four games. Maybe last night was an opportunity for him to see. And you kind of, you had an insurance backup plan. But because Tua looked apart, looked like he can handle being a starter, now you sit

Jalen against Arkansas State. Then they go on the road to Ole Miss. You can kind of see how it goes. And that's, but see, this is what's frustrating to me is when Jalen Hertz comes out at the media day before the season and says, I don't know what's going on, then I have a problem with it. Because you owe that to Jalen Hertz. And I'm not saying every single player deserves.

to have a sit down with a coach. I mean, competition is a part of the sport. But you're talking about a player in Jalen, who was the former SEC player of the year, who took the team to the championship game last year. He deserved to have a conversation and kind of be in the know and help him create a plan for him moving forward. And maybe if you're honest with it, maybe Jalen Hurts says, you know what, I'm content being on this team, being a backup and being an insurance plan and helping this team win championship. And worst case, maybe that plan is, hey, you play four games and then we can help you transfer somebody else, or somewhere else. But that's what frustrates me.

Like there should be more conversation in place. And I don't, from the media's perspective, who cares, who it goes on between? But Nick Saban should be talking to Jalen Hurts and coming up with that plan with him. Yeah, look, the other side to it is like, yeah, I look back on my own career and I think had I just gone in and asked and had honest conversation. It's one of those like, do you expect them to call? Now, if they called him in and he meets with Sabin, and Sabin told him, him nothing, you know, that's one thing. But if he avoids the office, like, I ain't going in there.

He wants me in there. Like, it does kind of work both ways. Like, sometimes guys don't ask questions because they don't want to know the answer because they actually know the answer before they ask the question. You know what I mean? Right. Right. That is true. And that's, that's one thing where I think it's tough because he's had three different coordinators. So where is his, because he had Lane Kiff in his freshman year. He had Brian Deboe last year. And now he's got his third offensive the coordinator. So it's hard to develop really good relationships with a coaching staff when there's a revolving door on the offense. And it would be intimidating. Like I'm in here saying, hey, you should go into Nick Saban's office. You see the way he choose out people. You see the way he goes after

Maria Taylor. Like, it's intimidating. So it is tough for a 19, 20 year old kid to expect him and have a grown up conversation with Nick Saban. But I do think that's where Saban should call him in the office and see that opportunity to say, hey, let me open a lot of communications so we can get everybody on the same page. How big was the loss for Washington? Not bad at all, Doug. Here's the thing, because I thought going into that game, a lot of the conversation nationally was, oh, Washington has the weight of the Pack 12 on their shoulders, and if they lose this game, they're done in the playoffs. After watching the game, I think we forget a little important part. It matters how they looked in the game, and they looked more than capable

of handling their own against Auburn, and you get a couple calls, you know, the roughing the pastor on Jake Browning, which was not called, which was pretty obvious to me that it was a targeting penalty in today's game, the way they call it. So I thought Washington, if they can still win the PAC 12, I think that is a resume builder, even though it's a loss. And let me ask you a quick question. How do you think that game plays out? If they switch it to say, I don't know, CenturyLink Stadium in Seattle, which would be a, you know, and call that a neutral site, even though it's not Washington's home game, it's right in their backyard. That's essentially the environment that Washington was playing on. So I hope.

hope the committee is smart enough to realize, hey, this Washington team more than held their own on the road. Let's stop calling it a neutral game because it wasn't in a hostile environment with a chance to win in the fourth quarter. I think that should matter. So I hope people don't write off Washington. No question. And look, as much success as the SEC had, the furthest the SEC traveled out of it is, what, Dallas, right? I mean, so it's like the SEC in going up to play, you know, going on the road to play the Big 12 and True Road games. They're not going to play the Big Ten. The Big Ten and SEC did not play. They're not going out to play the Pact 12 at least this weekend. So we do have to have context that they're like, we'll play anybody as long as you play them

in our kind of neck, neck of the woods. Let me ask you about Oklahoma. You lose a Baker Mayfield and you play against Florida Atlantic who's at a completely lower level. But Kyler Murray does look electric. He's faster and maybe has a liver though much less accurate arm than Baker Mayfield. Your thoughts on watching OU. against inferior competition? It's too early to tell. It really is. FAU, you know, it's a good team.

It was a great story. The lane train was rolling in Boca Raton, but they're still, I mean, they were completely overmatched going on. And there's a reason they were a three touchdown underdog. But still,

I do think you've got to be pleased if you're Lincoln Riley. And I look at the Big 12 and just see a conference that it's really them and the ACC, really, you know, it's Oklahoma and then it's everybody else. West Virginia.

West Virginia. That's right. Right. I forgot about West Virginia. Although I still, the Tennessee win was a pretty good win, but I still need to see them defensively. Like if they matched up tomorrow against West Virginia, I think Oklahoma is probably a two-touchdown favorite and probably covers that. So I still think they're in a class by themselves, but you saw Texas lose. Oklahoma State won, but they're replacing the quarterback. I have a lot of faith in Lincoln Riley and his offensive system.

And if you continue to get the type of performance out of Kyler Murray that you saw last night, look out the rest of the Big 12. and just put Oklahoma back in the, you know, playoff because I really do. It's a plug-in-play system, and I know it's not easy to replace a Heisman trophy winner and the number one overall pick, but Kyler Murray is more than comfortable.

And like you were talking about, the athleticism, I think Lincoln Riley utilizes that and develop some play calls, like you saw just a small glimpse of versus FAU. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. People in Ann Arbor freaking out. Meanwhile, Penn State needs overtime to survive App State. Michigan State needs a late drive to survive Utah.

state. Nobody talking about that nationally because of the hardball thing. Danny Cannell, check out his football analysis on CBS Sports HQ with Rajabelle every day at 7 a.m. Great to catch up on the phone. Let's catch up in person very soon. And good luck to your Knowles tonight. Appreciate it, man. All the best. Have a good Labor Day. All right. DeAndre Francois back for the Knowles. If you watch DeAndre Francois two years ago as a true freshman, you two should be excited. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Pacific. People are saying crazy things about the Scalil-Mack trade.

Crazy things about the Scalil-Mack trade. Crazy. We will reel them back in, get you ready for a great night in college football and a great weekend in the National Football League. Look, there is a team out there that I don't necessarily love the long-term prognosis of them, but short term, wow.

Seems like they got a lot of dudes. We'll get to that. There is a little bit of basketball to talk about with the Lakers finally agreeing to a buyout of Lujal Dang, reading themselves of all. But I think they have like one guy left from the Mitch Cupchack era that cleared out $38 million in salary cap space for next season. Remember, Kauai, free agent, KD, free agent,

Jimmy Butler, free agent, Clay Thompson, free agent, dad, the voice of the Lakers, former Laker. Clay grew up in Orange County, went to Santa Margarita High School. It all kind of makes sense there. All kind of makes sense. All right. Enough about basketball. Let's talk football.

So, if you're a hater, you are going to have a great night and a terrible night all at the same time, right? Like, if you're a hater, there's things that everyone seems to hate. of the hater variety. Does that make any sense? Yeah, it does. Haters hate Duke basketball. They just do. They just hate all things Duke basketball.

Haters will either hate LeBron or KD. You could maybe pick Kobe Bryant as well. Again, it doesn't mean that you cannot like those guys, but you never give any sort of love, any sort of credit, even when it's absolutely due. and you simply hate on any kind of negativity. Look, a hater was waiting for Notre Dame to lose

or for Jim Harbaugh to lose. It was going to be a great night for the hater. The good thing about being a hater is you can hate on Notre Dame, but somehow if Michigan loses Notre Dame, you just gloss over your hatred for Notre Dame because you're like, man, I don't like Harbaugh. Okay.

And the hater says, A, Michigan paying Jim Harbaugh 9 million a year? 9 million a year. And he's 8 and 8 over his last 16. Let's, we can completely gloss over that he was 19 and 3 in his first, what was the 22 games, right? We'll just kind of gloss, pretend like that didn't happen. We can also forget that if you go back two seasons ago,

they lost three games by a grand total of five points. Three games by five points. Or that the disastrous end to last season was largely, in part to the fact that they were playing with a backup and sometimes third string quarterback late in the year. Correct? But no, no. The hater says Jim Harbaugh is overrated. Jim Harbaugh should be fired.

He should be on the hot seat. He'll go back to the NFL. Now look, I don't know if it ultimately works out, but it was absolutely the best decision Michigan has ever made. When was the last time Michigan won a national championship in football. Anybody? Ryan Music. Music is for people to know, were you 28 years old? I always make fun of how old you are.

26. 26 years old. Do you know when the last Michigan National Championship was? I think 1997? In football? Yeah? Yeah. What year is it right now? 2018. Yeah.

A little bit, that was a bit ago, right? That was a bit ago. Now, Michigan will tell you, and rightfully so, I believe there's still the all-time winning his program, some of that has helped out by the fact, and they have a 729 win percentage. Michigan will sit there and go like, hey, dude, we got 11 national titles. You do realize that they have four between 1901 and 1904, right? they have one national championship since 1948 one uh they also have an unclaimed national title in 85 and another one in 73 so we'll give them we'll give um two in the modern era of football two since 1980 two in the last 40 years it's a great program i'm not trying to diminish it

but they were nationally relevant in name only. And the best example of that is people look back glowingly at Lloyd Carr because he did win a national championship. His last year at Michigan, right, his last year at Michigan, in 2007, they opened up with App State and lost. They opened up in Matt, they opened up with Ab State and lost. Lost. and they had Chad Henney. He was, I think, is he still in the NFL? The NFL caliber quarterback.

Yeah, Jake Long is the number one overall pick. Like, they had a senior-laden team, and they finished the season eight and four, and basically lost to App State and the three other good teams that they played. And people look back and like, man, we got to get Lloyd Carr back. Then they had Rich Rod,

who didn't fit with Lloyd Carr, with Michigan, and didn't go out and recruit. Plus, they didn't get Terrell prior. then they get Brady Hoke who does recruit better and did get them going for a short period of time, but they just weren't any good. In a conference, which has finally found the ability to go out and spend money and get high-level coaches, Michigan State's rolling, although they look very average this weekend. Penn State with James Franklin, rolling in recruiting.

Obviously, Ohio State is rolling as well. The league's more difficult. People have caught the Michigans of the world. They hadn't been truly nationally relevant in recruiting. And so what's your reason for hating Harbaugh? What is, is it, is it that he's goofy and spends the night at a recruit's house or he takes his team to Florida or to Italy? Dude, that's all about recruiting.

And for the most part, it's worked. What people who don't like Jim Harbaugh or think Harbaugh should be fired don't. realize. One, 15 million reasons he ain't going to be fired at the end of this season. Secondly, they're pretty good. And they'll probably win nine games anyway. Third, and this is most important. Hiring an alum who's one in college, one in pros, played at Michigan, dad coached at Michigan, and has an insatiable desire for Michigan to win is a smart hire for any program and for Michigan considering their lack of national, true national relevance, it was a home run hire.

A home run hire. This is the reason guys have massive contracts so that you don't freak out over one loss, over one quarterback depleted season. I mean, look, they lost the Notre Dame who was pretty good. I don't think Notre Dame's as good as they played in the first half. I mean, you kind of had a prayer touchdown and some calls go against Notre Dame. But Notre Dame's, the offensive and defensive lines are terrific. Defensive line, especially so.

A couple years ago, they probably compete for the national title, if not for mass wholesale injuries. But remember, two years ago, they won four games. Four. It's kind of hard. This thing is kind of hard to be consistent when you have inconsistent play at quarter. back and when you have the shuffling of guys going to the league. Danny Cannell joined us last hour.

He said this about this Michigan team. I put out a tweet the other day about what happened in 2014. Ohio State, week two, I believe it was. They lost to Virginia Tech at home. And there was a lot of people up in arms. Oh my gosh, Ohio State's going to derailed. They bounced back. They won the national championship.

I started with beating Bama and the Sugar Bowl and the rest of its history. I could easily see Michigan bouncing back. I think we're sleeping on Notre Dame a little bit. I think we're sleeping on Notre Dame a little bit, and I think we're overvaluing Penn State that look really shaky against App State, Michigan State that look really shaky, against Utah State. Nebraska, we haven't seen because we had two major games canceled because of lightning.

Is that right? I think Ohio State's a real deal. But Iowa State game was canceled. Nebraska game was canceled. I don't know if anything else was canceled because these lightning storms and because of how tightly packed these schedules are. I'm not sitting here telling you all is well, but I'm not freaking out about Jim Harbaugh in Michigan. Considering a couple calls, a targeting call goes against them.

Notre Dame hops out to a 14-0 lead. Shea Patterson's in his first real football game at Michigan. Plus, he's cramping up and their offensive lines getting mauled by a really good front seven from Notre Dame. to have the ball a chance to tie the game late in your first game of the year, I'm just not going to freak out. I've watched too much of this stuff to be that guy and understand $15 million and it's his alma mater.

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And starting a week from today, lock it in on Fox Sports One. He'll be one of the co-co-co-co-host, right? There's what four of you on the show? Yeah, there's four. Rachel Beneta is the official host, and then I am one of the three talking heads alongside Todd Furman and Cousin'Salle

from the Bill Simmons and the ringer. How'd your picks do this past weekend? Excellent. Had an incredible week of the picks. went 10 and 2 on Thursday and Saturday. And then the only one that really kind of got me was I was totally stunned by the result of the LSU game. I thought that Miami would come out, play like their head. Their head was on fire.

I mean, like they were just flying all over the place. And instead, they got their ass kicked. And so that was, I thought, the most surprising outcome of the big games this past weekend. Yeah, I think the biggest difference was quarterback play, wasn't it? I mean, of the two, I mean, first L. LSU hadn't had a quarterback in forever. And, you know, obviously Miami looks like they need to make a change at the quarterback position.

There's a lot of other things that go into it. But LSU has been kind of the headless monster for years here. And it looks like Joe Burrough is finally a guy who's at least competent and maybe even more than that at quarterback. Yeah, I mean, he was 11 for 24. So it's not like he set the world on fire. But he looked very competent in a game management role. What I always do in these big games is I will.

look to see who could run the ball and who could stop the run. And that to me is the ultimate test because there can be all the offensive piresbro techniques you want. But ultimately, you have to be able to run the ball and you have to be able to stop the run. And I thought that's where LSU won the game. They were more effective running the football than Miami was. And in fact, if you go across almost every major game, you look at the overall running statistics and you don't even need to know the rest when it comes to big time top 25 matchups. you called Jim Harbaugh the most overrated coach in America or in college football history, which? College football history.

History. Okay. I mean, like, how far back are we going historically? And why is Harbaugh so overrated? He's, well, first of all, when I say history, I mean history that I remember, right? I mean, there might have been somebody in 1890 that was not very good that everybody was in love with. But I'm talking about history that I remember. Like Dennis Franchone, for example, right?

Coach Fran won when at Pitt State, then like New Mexico, then TCU, he set the world of fire. Alabama, I think he actually had a 10-win season in Alabama, and then left went to A&M, and it just did not work. And I think to me, some of that is an indictment on A&M, more than indictment on Franchione. Give me your take on why Harbaugh is so overrated. Easy answers in terms of numbers. He's nine and nine in his last 18. He is 28 and 12 compared to 27 and 13, if you look at his comparisons to his predecessor, right? Who everybody out there is like, Brady Hoke is awful.

Man, we couldn't even handle him at all. Jim Harbaugh through 40 games is one game better. He is presently being paid as if he is Nick Sabin and as if he is Urban Meyer. And the end results are not anywhere justifying that. Let me tell you that from a Ohio state perspective. So let's judge Jim Harbaugh compared to Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer for all of his faults. And I think there are a lot of faults we've talked about, obviously,

surrounding Urban Meyer in the last month or so. He has lost eight total games in six years. Jim Harbaugh has lost nine games in his last 18. Nick Sabin has not lost nine games since all the way back to 2011. If you are going to pay this guy on that level, then you need to have those kind of. results. And what I have seen happen over and over again. Here's the mistake you're

making though, okay? This is, and football fans do this with their quarterbacks. They're like, man, I can't, like, Matt Stafford was the highest paid quarterback. You're like, man, how can you pay Matt Staffordinated? Like, a lot of it, there's other, there's all these other factors, right? First of all, Harbaugh's not actually paid as much as people

think he's being paid. It's the first thing. Like, let's just, okay, if you want, if it comes down to money, which I do believe he's worth every penny, but if it comes down to money. Four million of his contract is in a life insurance policy. And if you know how those things work, you only had to put in a fraction of the money. And then after five years, it becomes an investment vehicle. And a lot of coaches are doing this. So it's not, he doesn't actually make nine a year. It's really five. And then I think they put a couple hundred grand in these life

insurance policies, which becomes a financial vehicle. So he's actually paid far less than you think. Secondly, that could happen everywhere, though, right? Okay, but I know it happens in Michigan because it's a public school and these have been published. Right. But if you get into how you're going to pay someone, then you're basically just making arguments about accounting tricks. Because, right, like there's always these arguments about who produces the most revenue. And so people are like, oh, Texas A&M books their revenue this way. Everybody else does it that way. Ultimately, if you ask Michigan fans, I think, they believe that Jim Harbaugh, when he came in four years ago, was going to produce championship. championships and national championship.

No question. Ten championships, national championship. So far, he has not managed that. He's been one in five against his biggest rivals, O and three against Ohio State, one and two against Michigan State. And here's what I think really bad. He has not had a very dynamic offense in any way. And he came in as a guy who was the offensive coach, right?

You expected for him to be great with quarterbacks. All the Michigan people out there said, hey, Shea Patterson is going to be the truth, the issue that Harbaugh has had is he hasn't had a good quarterback. And then as a result, you finally get Shea Patterson out there. And what did they do? They couldn't run the ball and they couldn't stop the run relative to Notre Dame. In the first half, the second half that Notre Dame had no offense.

In the second half, Michigan was a little bit better running the football, much better throwing the football with the exception of, I think the big thing is that Tarek Black getting hurt. They just didn't have any playmakers outside the numbers. And it's Patterson's first game. and I'm not sure he's a true dropback passer. But that's on the coach, right? Listen, I, of course.

I mean, they didn't roll him out. They didn't take advantage of his legs. They didn't take advantage of his mobility. And look, you're playing Notre Dame at night on the road. I don't understand how you don't come out 100% prepared with your best possible offensive sets. Look, at the minute, I like to watch the first couple of drives. Because in the first couple of drives, you've got all the coaches sitting down and coming up with their 8 to 10 best plays that they think are going to work against a particular opponent.

Notre Dame took the ball, went straight down the field, scored a touchdown, eight plays, I think, 75 yards. Michigan came out and they looked like they had no idea what they were doing. No, I thought they looked like they were overwhelmed by playing on the road. But this is what we do, okay? This is the dumbest thing we do as fans is we sit there and go like, hey, you don't play anybody. You don't play anybody.

So they come out and play a true road game. none of these other teams played a true road game, start of the year. True road game with a brand new quarterback, with a bunch of other brand new players, and you're like, wow, they looked overwhelmed for the first half, and they seem to get it together and catch their breath at halftime. That's what happens. But that's how college football is played. No, it's not.

The SEC, what they do is genius. They're like, look, we ain't playing these stupid road games. Uh-uh, not doing it. I'll play a neutral side. Sure, you know why? So that doesn't happen. So you don't walk in. No, I mean, I don't think that's fair.

I mean, look, you got 17 and 18. year old. No, no, you get 17 and 18 year old. And the SEC, Nick Saban has decided he likes these neutral side games. Now, you want to talk about economics. One reason they do that is because the SEC football stadiums are so big that the athletic budgets are predicated on having at least seven home games. And sometimes you need to have eight.

And so as a result, you got four road. That's not why they do it, though. They do it. So one, they split the money or there's some sort of split. but two, like you're going into it, you're not going to throw a kid into that environment. You just don't do it. The likelihood of success is much less than when you throw it into a neutral site environment. I just, I think when you play a big time challenging opponent,

I think it can make a lot of sense to play that game on a neutral site because you don't want to boggle down your schedule with home and homes for multiple years in advance. Now, maybe the home and home will come back a little bit, but there's a reason why Michigan took Notre Dame off the schedule for basically a decade. Look, I mean, the larger context for Michigan is this stat will blow your mind, I think. I don't know if you mentioned it on the show. I saw this and I couldn't believe it. I talked about on my own show. Colorado, Purdue, Kansas, and Vanderbilt have the four longest road losing streaks against ranked opponents. Michigan is five.

That's a decade of over a decade of futility. Right. And he's in his fourth year. So you're giving him credit for. for Rich Rod and for Brady Hoke. Like, look, my thing is he, we, we act like the world's in a vacuum. And, and look, this is no different than any other kind of fan base. You act like the world's in a vacuum that you put Jim Harbaugh at Michigan and they win automatically. Remember, Michigan State had surpassed Michigan before he got there.

Penn State had their stuff together before he got, had finally figured out and gotten their stuff together with Bill O'Brien and then James Franklin, two guys that got out and got good quarterbacks and good players and good athletes. And so the landscape of the sport had changed dramatically. And Michigan was playing catchup. When you want to compare him to Nick Saban, Auburn was beating the crap out of Alabama. They had won six in a row. Yes. Tennessee had won something like 10 of 11 against Alabama when Nick Saban got there. So Tennessee and Auburn had both surpassed Alabama in terms of their success. By year two, Nick Saban is in the SEC championship game.

Year three, he goes undefeated and wins the national championship. Year two, Urban Meyer comes in, taking over for Luke Fickle. I think they were six and seven, all the trestle mess. He comes in and wins a national championship by year two. Jimbo Fisher comes in, turns the Bobby Bowden mess, tosses it aside. Even Dabo takes over Clemson, which I don't think anybody would argue is a program that was on a role. By year four, he wins the ACC. I would offer up this if he's on the market.

Do you think an NFL team wants Jim Harbaugh? Oh, I don't think there's any doubt. But an NFL team would want Nick Sabin and NFL team would want Jimbo Fisher. Are you disappointed in the results? Last year, obviously, the schedule is backloaded. They beat Florida to start the year. They have injuries of quarterback, injuries to Rick Black, who got injured again this year.

So you don't have your best wide receiver. not throwing out, you don't have great quarterback play to begin with, plus you have injuries there. And backloaded season where you lose to Ohio State, you lose to Wisconsin, end of the year, two very good, very well coached teams that are frankly better than them. But the idea that like Michigan, the sky is falling because they lose the Notre Dame first game of the year. And Jim Harbaugh all of a sudden sucks after winning at San Diego, winning at Stanford and getting to a Super Bowl. And within one play of winning a Super Bowl with the San Francisco 49ers, like some of this is where he started in Michigan. I'm not saying sucks.

I'm saying he's very overrated. Think about it. He said he's the most overrated. Most overrated in college football history. I don't think there's any doubt. But if Nick Saban had gone nine and nine in his last 18 years, are you telling me that Alabama fans wouldn't be losing their minds? If Urban Meyer over his next 18 goes nine and nine, if Davosweeney did, everybody would say what's going on with those coaches, what has happened to them as successful coaches? It's not nine and nine in college football at a major program is awful. Butch Jones was 8 and 10 in his last 18 games at Tennessee, and people said, my God, we got to get this guy out of here. How's that working out for you, by the way? I think Jeremy Pruitt's going to be pretty good. He's got a top 10 recruiting class. I think things are

going to be on the up and up. You care so much about Tennessee football. It's really, really remarkable. Well, it's not remarkable. I mean, you grow up in the SEC and you're, it started going to games. But the level to which you care about Tennessee football in comparison to the rest of the world is really, I love watching it. It's one of those things to which. Did you think they looked well coached Saturday? I thought they had, well, first of all, it's a bad matchup, right? Will Greer is really good.

And Tennessee starts all young defensive backs. I mean, they came in because Butch Jones had recruited poorly. And Jeremy Pruitt's got to basically burn the village down and take over. I thought Bush Jones had recruited well, especially in the defensive side of the ball, didn't play sometimes the right guys, terrible offensive scheme. And they found ways to lose games they should. The offense actually was typically pretty successful. They scored a lot of points.

But the problem was, I mean, first of all, Butch Jones had the worst. Had massive injuries two years ago. Butch Jones had the worst season in the 120-year history of the University of Tennessee last year. Tennessee had never lost eight games in a season. And Butch Jones managed to do it, to his credit. Now, Jeremy Pruitt comes in, and he's got to rebuild the village. So I think Tennessee is a six-and-six team.

I think they were going to be a six and six team, even if they had Nick Saban coaching this year, because the talent is just not very good. Remember, Nick Saban in year one at Alabama went seven and six. I believe that Kirby Smart went seven and six in year one at Georgia. Year two is when you can tell whether a guy is the right guy or not. And year three is certainly. Yeah. Look, I think there's other factors.

I mean, look, what was it year two for if we go back to Harbaugh? you know, that's when they lost three games by a total of five points. That's when you start the 9-9, right? They go one in three down the stretch, but they lose to Iowa by a point, lose to Ohio State and 00T. There's a terrible spot in that deal. And they lose the Florida State by a point in a great Orange Bowl. So, I mean, look, I think that you watch Michigan,

and my guess would be if they can figure out the offensive line issues, they beat Western Michigan, beat SMU, probably Pete Nebraska, beat Northwestern in Maryland, right? and then we start to figure out what's what. I think Northwestern will be a tough game for them. Okay. Maybe, probably. I mean, it becomes Northwestern.

They've got a tough schedule this year. They've got Wisconsin. They've obviously got Ohio State. They've got Penn State. I think Nebraska, like I believe in Scott Frost, I think by the end of that year, I think they play Nebraska in late October or early November, if I'm not mistaken. I think that'll be a tough game for them. I think Michigan's going to be a 9 and 3 or 8 and 14, which is what I said before

the season started. Okay, so they win 9 and 3 is C. still the most overrated coach in the history of college football. Beyond a doubt. That's crazy talk. I mean, you win nine games in the Big Ten. That's, that's pretty. Butch Jones won nine games in the SEC.

I don't care about Bush Jones. Well, I mean, I think the standard. You're talking about. Butch Jones had not won at all these other places. He went Cincinnati. That's it. He won the Big East multiple years. Here's what you, here's what, what is Jim Harbaal won?

The Pac-12 one year? Do you remember where Stanford was before he got there? How are they since he's left? David Shaw is a better. Here's an example of being overrated. Do you remember where Stanford was before you got there? Oh, yeah, totally. But here's a good example.

Who do you think most people consider to be a better college football coach? David Shaw or Jim Harbaugh? David Shaw would take Jim Harbaugh into the post, spin on him, 360-2-hand dunk in his face. That's how much better David Shaw is than Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh has the hype. David Shaw has the results. Look, I think David Shaw is great. I think he's brilliant, okay?

I think he's a tremendous football coach. But this idea that, like, he's, and he too is like Jim Harbaugh lusted after by the NFL and doesn't want to do it. I mean, part of it is you have to understand Stanford, they don't recruit, they select, right? That's it. They don't recruit. Now, they have a smaller pool to select from than everybody in the SEC that all you need is a pulse to get into school. But if you're of academic repute and you want, they select you. So it's a, it's a great job that just has financial limitations and limitations in terms of some of the athletes you can and can't get into school.

So, but I mean, like, let me go into the Big Ten. I think Mark D'Antonio is a better college football coach than Jim Harbaugh. I think James Franklin. By the way, Martin, Antonio, they survived Utah State at home. Like, just while we're going to sit there and- And he had a terrible year, two years. I agree. Michigan's a better job.

Michigan State is a penprick of the job that Michigan is. Completely agree. James Franklin is a better coach, I believe. I had to choose right now. Jim Harbaugh to be my next college football coach. or James Franklin, I would take James Franklin. I would take, I would take Jim Harbor. So just so.

Urban Meyer is not even close, infinitely better than Jim Harbaugh. Just so people are aware, Walt Harris won one game the year before Harbaugh got the job, one game. Okay, one, uno. So I understand that you don't, you don't care about the build. I think people don't understand how down Michigan has been, how they have not, They've been relevant only because of the name Michigan, but how much they've had to turn over in order to build it up. Brady Hoke won the Sugar Bowl in what year one or year two with Michigan?

He did something that Jim Harbaugh hasn't done. He actually won a big game. At Michigan. At Michigan. At Michigan, Brady Hoke, yeah, I won a big game. Good stuff. Clay Travis, Outkick. The coverage is the show every morning. And the new show is called Lock It In, where Clay and three others make their pick.

Rachel Benetis, the host, Todd Furman and Cousin Sal. They make their picks every day. Fox Sports won next Monday. One week from today, we'll see how long I go before they fire me. So fingers crossed on the gambling picks. Great stuff. That's Clay Travis. Thanks, Clay.

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