The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 09/06/2019

Episode Date: September 6, 2019

 Colin thinks the Bears learned on Thursday night that Mitch Trubisky is not their Quarterback of the future even if they won't admit it publicly.  He says the packers defense is going to be so much more important to Aaron Rodgers than putting up big numbers.  plus, Super Bowl Champion WR Greg Jennings talks about Thursday Night Football and the latest with the Antonio Brown saga   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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One hour from now are blazing five. My five favorite NFL picks up the weekend. By the way, ratings up last night for a pretty boring football game offensively. why legalized gambling in America is now taking hold, and we bet football as a country. So we'll have our picks in one hour from now. Joy Taylor is joining us. Well, it was game one, so it was a little choppy. The offenses were a little choppy, right?

It was a little choppy, but it was very telling, I think. It was. So I want to start my show. This has happened to me four or five times in my life. The phone call. The phone call you can't make in front of a lot of people. You talk to your boss. You talk to a, a, a, a.

your wife, you have to make certain phone calls in life. Last year, the best game in the NFL was Kansas City at Los Angeles. When Jared Goff outplayed Patrick Mahomes, and everybody knows Mahomes is ridiculous. But after that game, when Sean McBay, the winning coach of the Rams, was driving home, that's one of those moments where Les Sneed calls him and says, we got our guy. Jared Goff got a contract extension on that game. our guy went toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes and outplayed him. That got in the contract.

That was the phone call. That moment. Last night, Mitch Trubisky, and he is painfully limited. And Matt Nagy is one of the most clever offensive minds in football, a prodigy of Andy Reid. They tricks, movement, bells, whistles, couldn't move. The ball against Green Bay. Now, Green Bay's defense is better.

We predicted that. But I think Matt Nagy had a phone call last night driving home. The kind of phone call you can't have in front of the players, the media, your coworkers. It may have been with Andy Reid. And Matt Nagy said, we moved up to get Trubisky in the same draft you moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. Man, did we mess up? Or it may have been with Ryan Pace's general manager saying, coach, I'm giving you everything I got here. This is not good enough.

But last night, you watched it. You are completely limited with Mitch Trubesky. The Bears' defense is fantastic. And they will win a bunch of games this year, and they're going to win them like this. 17, 14, 2320. But Tim Tebow won seven straight games, too. It's not about just winning. It's how you win.

Because over the course of 15 years, a franchise quarterback's not always going to have a defense like the Bears or Tebow's Broncos. Some years, injuries, holdouts, you're going to have a terrible defense. That's when Brady, Aaron, Mahalms, luck can carry you to the playoffs. Listen, I think Tremon Williams for the Packers after the game told you all you need to know about what NFL teams see on film facing Mitch Trubisky. We wanted to make Mitch to play quarterback. we knew they had a lot of weapons. We knew they were dangerous.

We knew all of those things, but we knew if we could make Mitch play quarterback, that we'll have a chance. Just make him do the quarterback thing. Listen, it's three years. Nagy's brilliant. They've got really good players. I never got Tribisky.

I said it from day one. I didn't get him out of college. I don't get him. He runs around us. a lot. You know, people have said, Lamar Jackson's not a great thrower. Lamar Jackson, I saw four or five times last year unleash, unleash beautiful throws. Now, I don't think he's Mahomes, but folks, there are phone calls made in this league, and decisions are made in this league long before they end up on a press release. I'm telling you people in Chicago this morning

inside that organization, they're watching that game. That's it. At home. Matt, Nagy, those weapons, that's it. The longest drive was seven plays. Against the Bears' defense, Aaron got a 10-play drive off. Like, decisions in life are made. Now, Chicago for the next couple years or the next year is going to say stuff like, hey, after the game, Matt Nagy. So this is the coach of the Bears after the game.

He knows what guys like me and the press are going to say about Mitch Trubesky. So he is already covering his tracks and taking the. the hits. Obviously unacceptable. It starts with me. So this, this, uh, just told the guys in there. This is, uh, not who we are. I was proud of our defense.

I thought they played their ass off tonight. Offensively, not good enough. Um, and we're going to fix it. Uh, our guys know that. Okay. So, so they already, it's on me. Not anybody else. It's on me.

That's not what the file. That's not what the private phone calls were about in Chicago. Goff got his contract beating Mahomes. A year before he got his contract. They are making decisions in that Bears organization. Because Nagy's a brilliant, I mean, they move players around first place shifting this. It is smoking mirrors. They're trying to squeeze anything out of Trabisky.

And it's not there. And it's year three. Now it's PR for the next year. It's PR. My fault. Somebody else's fault, his fault, because they know if they go to Trabiski and blame him, it will be an avalanche in Chicago. Let's talk about Green Bay.

Let's specifically talk about Green Bay's defense. We have been saying this now for about four months on this show. This year will not just be about the relationship between Aaron and Matt LaFleur. It's going to be about the front office of the Green Bay Packers starting two years ago, realizing we got to get Aaron Rogers some help defensively. I hope you heard this. Did you hear Aaron Rogers after the game talking about the defense? This is as happy as I've seen Aaron Rogers in a long, long time.

It's fun to watch. I mean, it's been a long time since I've seen a performance like that. What we did on defense, you know, they should. I think we showed the league and the folks watching that we're not just an offensive football team anymore. We got a defense. Yeah, they do. And they should. The last two drafts, all defense.

Last two free agency periods, mostly defense. It's paying off. It's been nine years since the Packers had a top 10 defense. They will have a top 10 defense this year. I never understood Green Bay's belief that let's not work. about defense, let's just help Aaron. Why? Aaron's always going to elevate offensive people. What you don't want is Aaron doing this with his arm crossed on the sidelines, watching leads evaporate because Aaron doesn't tackle. Aaron's not a corner. Don't worry about

the offense with Aaron Rogers. Make sure the offensive lines good and protect him, but Aaron's going to take B receivers and make him A receivers. He's going to take B tight ends and make him A minus tight ends. Aaron's going to elevate all your offensive players. Aaron can't help your defense. I'm tired of seeing Aaron Rogers on the sidelines doing this, leading by four, and they can't stop a nosebleed. It doesn't make any sense. A great quarterback, Brady Breeze, can take players out of college, instantly make them special.

But Breeze, Brady, Rogers can't do anything if they're on the sidelines. Brady Papinga's a former Packer defense. He talked about the shift the Packers made about. seven, eight years ago in the front office, I couldn't figure it out, and the former Packer couldn't figure it out. Everybody always asks, why hasn't Aaron run more Super Bow, blah, blah, blah.

Well, after we won the Super Bowl, I had the fortune to sit down with a guy who designed the team of Ted Thompson, and I got cut, by the way. That's why I was in the meeting with him. He's like, the reason why we're doing that is because we just feel with Aaron, we're not going to stop teams on defense. We're just going to look down score teams.

And I'm sitting there, and I'm like, Ted, you're a former linebacker. Well, What are you talking about? I mean, the defense always set you up. I mean, just think about this. Tom Brady last year in the Super Bowl did not play well. He won. The year before, Tom Brady was amazing, 500 yards and lost.

Which Tom Brady did you think was happier? The 500 yards and lost or the play poorly and won. Aaron Rogers wants to win games. He's got $100 million net worth, private equity funds. The girlfriend, the fame, the let. He wants more wins. I mean, Green Bay have finally given him through drafting in free agency a real defense. Now, it should be noted most of the quarterbacks Green Bay will face this year are better than Trabisky.

They won't look like this every week. But the end of the game, Al Michaels, Chris Collinsworth, I summed it up. Fourth and eight, Chibisky. And he's going to get sacked. And that really puts an exclamation point on a tremendous Packer defensive performance. And you see Harry Rogers with that lovable shove to Mike Petton on the sideline? Yeah, it's nice. Like Aaron's got the money, the fame, the legacy.

He wants wins. You cannot win, even as a legend, on the sidelines. You want your quarterbacks with a ball, taking a knee. A bunch of quarterbacks running the ball. Once your quarterback's freezing the game. Can't do that. If you have that 17th, 23rd, 29th best defense. Aaron's finally got a Super Bowl capable defense.

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Tabramos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Okay, I said all those nice things about Aaron Rogers. I have to be critical. I could not be the only person in America. 20 seconds left in the third quarter. Aaron Rogers, 35 years old, had multiple injuries. Pumping, pumping, pumping, pumping, pumping, Aaron, get rid of the ball. What are you doing? It's the same play you got hurt on against the Vikings. What's the upside of that play?

That little pass there for a five-yard gain? There is no upside. The downside is you're gone again, and at 35 have your fourth collarbone or third collarbone injury. This is where Aaron has got to figure out. I am the franchise. Yeah, Green Bay's defense is better.

It doesn't matter if Aaron's not playing. This is a play that Drew Breeze and Tom Brady figured out years ago. Just get rid of the ball. Just get rid of the ball. And there's another play in this game. Aaron's going to have to, I don't want to show it to you yet. Aaron's going to have to change his game a little bit. Because when you have a defense as good as Green Bay,

and it's mostly young, and it's mostly guys going into their prime or in their prime. You don't have to play hero ball. You don't have to make the great play. Instagram is not your friend. Try to get on Instagram with a Super Bowl parade shot. Aaron tends to be a hold the ball, six, seven seconds, pat the ball, hero ball, big play. You don't need to do that.

There's going to be multiple weeks this year that Aaron can play. Hand it off. Don't get hit. Be smart. Let the ball go early. Get it out of your hands. Aaron's great. And any franchise quarterback is good as good.

Aaron should be counted on about four times a year to pull your arse out of a tough spot. Andy Reid doesn't ask Patrick Mahomes to carry them 16 weeks. Belichick doesn't ask Brady to carry them 16 weeks. Fourth quarter playoff game trailing, that's when Tom Terrific takes over. But there's a play that Aaron proved last night. They're deep in their own territory. It's a very simple route. Aaron Rogers goes back.

Just boom. Simple route concept. Sit down route. catch it down. That should be Aaron. Don't need to make big plays. That's what the Bears gave you. The receivers open. It's not a complicated route. Take more

of these. Because your defense now, Aaron, is a big boy defense. Legitimate safeties, pass rushers, Preston Smith. Breeze and Brady, there were times in their careers that they had to do more of the caring. Tom Brady now, that's a run team

first. Tom doesn't need to go. deep. Tom doesn't put himself in harm's way. Like, the defense for the Packers is going to keep you in every game this year. They're not going to win you every game. They're going to keep you in it. So the four or five times a year that you have to make the play, Aaron can do it. But when you age and people around you get better, it's incumbent upon you to go, wow, I've got to adapt here. Brett Far have often struggled to adapt. Brett made bad mistakes late in his career.

Didn't want to adapt. He tended to be pretty rigid. Aaron tends to be a little more progressive. I think a little bit more of an evolver here. I showed you two plays. One, don't extend stuff out to the right at 35. Get it out of bounds. And the second play, when the defense gives you simple stuff, take it.

You don't need to be a hero. This is not the defense from four years ago where either you threw for 375 yards or you lost. You will win games this year like last night where you're not particularly effective. What's up, everybody? John Middlough from the Three and Out podcast. Brought to you by the Colin Coward Podcast Network. You like Colin's show.

You'll like mine. I'm talking all football. Bears Packers, I'm going in on Mr. Trubisky. Yikes. Aaron Rogers, Matt LaFour, did we learn anything? Zeke Elliott extended. Jared Goff extended. Have thoughts on both contracts.

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We will have Raider reporter, Vic Tafer. We'll join us in the next hour to give you an update. He was, Vic was all over this stuff yesterday. I don't know what the Raiders are going to do. They're not a well-run organization. and generally I find dysfunctional people and dysfunctional teams hard to predict. I think if they were New England, I could figure out what they were due, were the Rams.

I don't know what the Raiders are going to do. Vic Tafer will join us. Greg Jennings now joining us for a good 10 minutes. Here we go. Packers won. Look at that defense. Last time the Packers had a great defense, Greg Jennings was on that team, 2010. So it was not an artistic masterpiece.

The defenses were good. Matt Lafleur, Aaron Rogers looked clunky in the first half, right? They didn't look good all game. I didn't think that it was impressive offensively at all game. Yeah, I was on undisputed yesterday, and I said I was expecting and hopeful for fireworks.

And what I meant by that was things that I could show that I can build on, see that I could continue to make progress on offensively. because we hadn't seen what they could potentially become. Defensively, did they look good? Yes, they're playing the Bears. You know they're playing against a stout defense.

But I remember this guy, Aaron Rogers, last year in the opening game in Lambo, coming back on the field, one leg hobbled, and he performed better than what we saw last night. And so is it the new offense? You don't know what it is, but again, it's week one. But still, my expectations of Aaron Rogers is three. the roof. So I'm not going to lower them because it's week one and he hadn't played any preseason games. Well, it's interesting because last year Jared Goff didn't play the preseason and he was

really bad against the Raiders in week one. So there is part of me that says these quarterbacks now won't play in the preseason is the first half of game one their preseason where they're just, and the Bears defense is great. So part of me thinks it's that. I will say I didn't think they were overly clever last night. I don't think they ever fooled the Bears last night offensive. No, which is honestly pretty surprising because when you haven't played, and even when you have played, week one, when you're scouting and you're doing your due diligence on both sides of the ball, you're preparing for unscouted looks.

And it just didn't look like anything that the Green Bay Packers presented from formation variation to innovation of their offense was alarming to the bears or it caught them off guard. Nothing. Nothing. No, it was, and again, they had one great drive. It is easy to say, well, the Bears' defense is great. But I would say where you are right optically is I never thought Green Bay fooled Chicago. No. And that was the knock on McCarthy that it became predictable. And it's, again, this whole idea of fooling defenses every time you're out there, it's a fantasy world. You're not going to fool the defense. You may get them on a car. couple unscouted looks that they are not prepared for. Right. And you got to be able to do that as a play caller, put your team in a position where you feel like this, I'm going to get them with this one.

Well, that's what we saw the Philadelphia touchdown against New England. Yes. Yes. You do that once or twice a game where it's like, we don't have the personnel for this. Exactly. New England, by the way, has done that against opponents on trick plays, red zone plays, where you just have nobody, they got groanin a set where you don't have anybody to guard him. Right.

So I think that's a fair point. The New England Green Bay last night did not, it wasn't just the struggles. It was it didn't look special. It didn't look special. I mean, it was like a complete dud. Let me ask you this, though. I made the point that when, and I've seen veteran quarterbacks do this, I think Peyton Manning when he finally got a great defense,

the better the defense, the less hero ball I need from the quarterback. Green Bay's defense is good enough. They'll be Sundays they win games. Can Aaron, he's a ballpatch? He wants to make the big play. I mean, the Hail Mary is kind of assigned to him as, is Aaron capable of reeling back a little of the hero ball because now he doesn't have to do that?

Can he? Yes. Will he? I doubt. When you look at the style that he plays and what makes him so unique and special, it's being a hero. You've compared him to Ben Rothersberger. Yeah.

What has Ben Rothersberger done his entire career, even with good defenses. Held onto the ball. For what? The big play. Over the top. Extending the play, giving his receivers an opportunity

to get down the field and then you hit them in a big play fashion. This is Aaron Rogers. He's an unscripted quarterback that extends the play, gets outside of the pocket, holds onto the ball

probably a little longer than what his coaches, his office of linemen, would care for him to do. That's what Greg Cosell and analytic people have said. It's not ideal. And the older you get, the more frightening that becomes.

Yes. Because last night he rolled out one time, and I'm like, Aaron, throw it away. You got to get rid of it. I mean, I just listen to you say this, to get five yards just to extend a play and take that hit, it's not worth it. It's just not worth it because you mean more to us as a team than just this five yards. Let's talk Mitch Trubisky. I mean, my eyes don't fool me. I think Chicago inside the building, Greg, they know.

They know. They're at practice every day. You tell me a lot as a football team. You tell me a lot by just the plays you run. You tell me as a fan or a media person, we can't do this, we can do that. All there are bells and whistles, smoke and mirror on offense. That's telling me what the Bears coaches think of Trebisky. They don't put them in positions to make great plays.

Their offense is a lot of gadgets and gimmicks and running. I just don't see it with them. I'm sorry. You know, I've called a Chicago Bears game, and I've sat down with McNaggy, and I've sat down with opposing defensive coordinators. And defensive coordinators that have to go up against this, they look at it as a magic show.

Don't get caught by all the movement and the action and not pay attention. Trust your eyes. Don't get caught up with all the movement. Keep focus on what's most important. And the bears have to understand, and I think they know this, that Mitchell Chubisky is, he is what he is. He's just not your great arm talent. No, he's not your prototypical quarterback and talent at that position.

He said something last night that stood out to me in his presser, he being Matt Nagy. He said, you know, we have a lot of high character guys on this team, And our defense is not going to be one to point fingers at our offense. We know who we are. We know what the problem is. Yeah, you do. And the problem starts with, number one, the play calling wasn't great.

You got to simplify things, but let's be honest, Mr. Chubisky is not going to cut it. If you're in a dog fight and it comes down on a quarterback play, you're not giving your team a fair shot with Mitchell Chibisky. I'm sorry. Last year in the playoff loss for Chicago, and I said this, and over. Body language matters.

That's why there are people in America that are body language experts. You can watch body language. I was critical of Aaron Rogers' body language seven years ago. Stuff comes out. Matt Nagy's body language in that playoff loss to Mitch Trubisky was bad. It was eye-rolling. It was like, I'm doing everything I can do here. I was going to say, it's almost like when you've done everything and you've tried everything,

and at some point, a quarterback has to become a quarterback. In the first 15 scripted plays, Mitchell Trabisky is typically great. But after that first quarter, now teams have made adjustments. Now you get that play call, and now you have to play quarterback, and you have to put your team in positions to where we can be successful and we can methodically move the ball down the field.

Mitchell Trabisky has not proven that he can do that. It's year three. It's year three. Yes. People criticize Goff's contract. I've seen a ton from Goff. Yeah. I don't worry about Goff.

I see that and I'm like, okay, Antonio Brown just apologized, according to a report, to the team, very emotional. I have no idea what the Raiders are going to do because I can't figure the Raiders out. They hired a TV personality who've been out of the sport for 10 years.

They got rid of Cleo Mac. They brought in Antonio Brown. I can't, I got, I'm guessing here. They're dysfunctional. I find it highly. difficult to guess what dysfunctional people will do. What do you make of this situation?

What do you do? You know, this is even for me, like I'm disgusted, it's nauseating, it's one of those deals where if I had Antonio Brown in front of me and I've sat down with Antonio

Brown, I would simply Antonio, be true to who you are. Like, stop trying to make it about brand, make it about what you're going to get with all these deals, all these other things. Like, be true to who you are. Like, to whom much is given, much is required.

The expectations are high for you. You are a father. You are a friend. You are a role model, whether you believe it or not. Be that example that we know that you can be. Be that example that you are to your sons. Like to your children. Like, this is him, you apologizing, him apologizing today, that's a step in the right direction.

Despite what he's done and what the baggage that he's brought with him, no one cares about what you did in Pittsburgh anymore because you haven't been on the field. And so you have to now write that ship. And what he's done with this apology, build on that, build on that. start to work and look in the mirror and self-reflect and self-assess and be true with your self-assessment and say, you know what, I have fallen short. I haven't lived up to my end of the bargain and then move forward and start playing football games. You know, it's funny. I talk to my daughter about this.

You have kids. I said, the internet is never your friend. Sometimes you think it's your friend. You take a picture of yourself and you look really good. but I tell my daughter, it's not your friend. Okay, you can look at teen suicide rates, depression has exploded in 10 years with all these platforms. I think Antonio's young, and I think sometimes he thinks the Internet is his friend, and it's hurting him. The letters, the helmet.

It's like, dude, you're a great football player. Everybody I talk to likes you as a guy. To your point, reassess, be about team. By the way, it's okay if you have 20. Everybody wants you get touchdowns. Yes. I think some young athletes, they start to think, hey, this internet thing is making me a lot of fame and a lot of money.

It's like it's never your friend. It can only get you fired. It doesn't get you rich. Colin, what's so intriguing to me about this is he already has a brand. Yeah, like he doesn't need. You don't need anything else. Like, just allow your legacy to be so important, not just from a football perspective, but as a man.

Like when people reflect back and the problem is that I have is nothing that we see hasn't already been done. Like we've seen this show and this performance with Terrell Owens and O'Sho. Yeah, it never went. It never turns out well.

It never turns out great. Ever. For wide receivers, the dynamic players, we know how this is going to end up. So reel it back in, come back in the fairway, be a great player and a team. mate, dad, all that stuff. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear.

The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast. Learn the hard way with me, your host,

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Very interesting because Aaron did not look very good. But I think we're all saying, well, it's the bear's defense. Trubisky didn't look very good, and we're just saying it's Trubisky. I will say this about Green Bay's offense. It wasn't clever. It wasn't efficient. This is the downside to not playing any snaps in the preseason. Jared Goff did not play snaps in the preseason last year for the Rams.

He was horrible early on against the Raiders. So don't be surprised with this kind of culture that's been created in the NFL where don't play your star quarterback in the preseason. The downside is they don't look very good in the first game. By the way, remember that game about two weeks ago, the Florida Gators played Miami in the first college football game. Yeah. That was a clown show. I mean, it was the worst played game ever.

Football is a game of choreography. We all memorize a playbook. If Joy and I are next to each other and she moves her hand before the ball snap, we have to take five steps back. Like this is the sport of choreography, like choreographed offense. Remember the old routines on Saturday Night Live? the synchronized swimming stuff they did. Like, that's what football is, essentially, without the water.

You've got to be all aligned. If you don't practice full speed, game speed, you can look really bad. I thought Green Bay looked like Aaron will get better. It looked a little rusty, but it's, again, it's so hard to judge when you're looking at that Chicago defensive line. It's like who's going to be able to do anything against that. They couldn't block it. By the end of the game, they were still good, but it did feel like Green Bay got a 10-play drive.

and again, when Trubisky can't mount long drives, his longest drive was seven plays, Chicago's defense over the course of three and a half hours, I thought at the end of the game, not that they were gassed, but they weren't as fierce late. So I think Chicago games are all going to look the same this year. Bears defense will dominate the first half in all of them. The question will become, as the bear's defense sits on the field, the entire game, how much is left in the tank in the fourth quarter. Aaron had his big drive, his 10-play drive late.

he couldn't get, he was three and out, three straight drives at start. So Chicago's defense is going to own everybody in the first half. Will they be able to maintain that edge later in the game? And at the end of the game, they didn't look as fierce because Trubisky's drives, you know, he can't mount long drives. All right, I want to say this, though. It is easy to bang on the bears for passing on Patrick Mahomes in the same draft they moved up to get Mitch Trubisky.

I'm not going to. Kobe Bryant was drafted 13. None of you, none of you, none of you thought Patrick Mahomes was going to be this good. Don't fake it. Don't lie. That's fake news. I didn't, you didn't, nobody did. I'm not sure Andy Reid did.

I'm not sure the Chiefs did. And the Big 12 had given us clunker after clunker after clunker at quarterback. That's the conference that doesn't play any defense. He was erratic in college. He didn't win a lot of games in college. I'm not banging on the bears for passing on Patrick Mahomes. A lot of people passed on Kobe. He just didn't have enough film.

Where I will bang on the Bears is you drafted Mitch Trubisky over Deshaun Watson. They played in the same conference. The same scouts who watched the ACC, come on now. Deshawn Watson played Nick Saban twice. Nick had six weeks both times to prepare. Could not stop him.

We had all sorts of tape on Deshawn Watson. We had him in the national championship. I said it at the time. I'll say it again. Yes, Deshawn Watson's critics, I was one of them out of college. He's not a natural thrower. I mean, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, the ball just, beo, beo, beo, be, okay, but he had a huge upside.

Mitch Trubisky wasn't a natural thrower without the upside. Like, that's where all bang on scouts. You can whiff on Patrick Malhomes because you just don't have enough video, big game experience, he's wild, he's erratic, And you're just not sure, can we rein this dude in? But Deshaun and Tribeschi played in the same conference. To choose Tribisky over Deshaun, I didn't get then, I said it then, I don't get it now. Neither was a great natural thrower, but at least one guy had remarkable upside.

I've never seen it with Trubisky. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Let's get Tikio spikes over here. Seventh-most starts in the history of the NFL at linebacker, 15 years in the NFL. By the way, Tiki, you covered Mitch Trabiski because you're an analyst for the ACC Network, pulled that mic in.

So I never understood moving up for him. I like Deshaun Watson that same year. Patrick Mahomes, I didn't know enough about to have a strong opinion. Why do they draft, why do the Bears draft Trubisky? You watched him. You analyzed him. Why? Yeah, I had the opportunity.

used to be an analyst for the ACC network, but had the opportunity to really sit down and call two of his games. And I thought he showed a lot of promise. And he had a lot of ability, which everybody knows that, to be drafted number two overall. The thing that was surprising to me

was him being drafted that early in the first round. They moved up, second pick. Yeah, second pick. You gave up something to get him. And so when I look at it overall, I was like, the pick is risky, but I know this kid has talent. I had the opportunity to spend time with him both times.

And listen, he checks off the boxes when it comes to, of course, the intangibles, make every throw. You're supposed to make every throw. But when it comes to loving football, first one in the building, last one to leave, he's good at that. Doing camaraderie stuff with his teammates bringing everybody together. I've heard he's a guy's guy. People like him. Listen, he's a man's man.

That's exactly who he is. but when you look at what he put out as far as his resume last night, it just doesn't matches up with the number two pick overall. Let me, let's talk about Aaron last night, Tekeo. You covered him before. I didn't, I know it's the bear's defense. I'm not, listen, we all know it's loaded. Yeah.

But it was, can I say this, Aaron didn't play in the preseason. Let's give him a pass last night. Is that fair? That's more than fair. I know it's a high standard that we see, that we want and that we, we've seen from Aaron Rogers. But the reality of it is is this. You only can get so much better as a player

when you're going against your number one defense. Because your ceiling is here. You know the tendencies. You know certain players can't do certain things. And they're not going to hitch you anyway. And they're not going to do it. So, like, you know, it is what it is. So now I expect to see this right here from this offense,

the new offense that he's learning and he's getting adjusted to, maybe another two weeks. But I know for sure, we got to give credit to the Chicago Bears defense. To your point, to Keio, to go from not playing in the preseason to the NFL's best defense on the road is a massive leap. Jared Goff last year didn't play preseason looked awful against the Raiders defense early. Yep. Like you can't go from practice to live bullets. I mean, Chicago's defense at home is a nightmare.

But even put it into perspective, when you look at what he did, Aaron Rogers last night, at the end. end of the game. He went to Mike Petton, pushed him, gave him, bro, like I love you, but I'm not going to say it, but I appreciate you. He understands that it's going to take a little time to get this offense, moving in the right direction. And as far as him being able to do some of the things that he's done in the past. So when I saw that push that he gave last night, it really verified everything to me that he knows, hey, thank you for showing up, finally showing up. Yeah. And I know that I don't have. to change my playing style, I know I have a little time because I know you guys are going to

hold me down. Okay, Antonio Brown apologized to the team today, to K.O. Spikes joining us, 15 years in this league. If you're in that room, is it sincere? Is it authentic? What, what am I supposed to think about it? What would you think about it? Well, if I'm a teammate, I appreciate the apology, number one. But I'm also listening to that apology with the rock eye. one eye up and the other one is like, I hear what you're saying, but I need to see what you're going to do. And so that's where they are right now. And I'm pretty sure when you get the comments,

Coach Gruden, all of the captains came out and said, you know what, whatever you decide to do, we're in favor of it. That pretty much lets you know. We're tired as players. We're tired as the leaders of this football team because it's important for them to understand this and know. I want to say they are the top team that has the most undrafted rookies on their team. And so when you have a lot of young guys coming in and let me remind you, last year, he sent Khalil Mack packing because he wanted to create the culture.

So now are you saying this is what the culture is going to look like? Well, that's been me. I'm confused. You know, it's funny because you played for the Bengals for half a decade. And they had some dysfunction. You were a dominant player for a team with dysfunction. Take my audience in to Keough to being. in a locker room. And again, Cincinnati, you were a great player for at times an enigmatic franchise.

Is it frustrating when you're a pro to be in a locker room with guys that don't take it as seriously as you? Oh, it's very frustrating. It's very. And I know your next question may be, what would you say to him? And my thing to AB would be this, because, you know, I've talked to several guys on that team and they say he's in and out. So they really don't really have a chance to really have a good conversation or really get to know him, but I've always took this method. I'm going to talk to you directly and see how can we bridge the gap. If you can't help us, then you know what?

You may be better off just doing what you do. And that's what I hear when I hear the captain say, coach, whatever you decide on. We're good. We're good because we're ready to go into the season. And we don't need all of this trauma. By the way, speaking of drama, OBJ has been relatively quiet for the last month. He has not

practice as a unit's more individual drills. I talked to OBJ for about 30 minutes on my face time about three or four months ago. I like him. I told him, I said, I don't worry about your, you know, the end zone stuff. I worry about your health. I'm like, OBJ, you're hurt a lot.

He's now dinged up again. It's weird. Joy and I talk about this. I have my son never gets sick. I have a stepdaughter that gets sick a lot. It's just weird. Like some kids get sick. Some kids get sick. some kids never catch anything. They're all same house, same genes, same DNA, right?

Is OBJ just one of those dudes? He just gets dinged up all the time. Well, I mean, yeah, you can say that. You play with guys like that. I play with guys like that, but let me tell you the difference. When you got a guy, and let's act as if we're playing Madden, if he's rated 100 and if he's dinged up and he's still rated in the 90s or maybe high 80s, he's still better than 80% of the guys in the NFL.

So that means he's still going to be productive. I more so when I hear this, and I'm going to take you back, if I'm a player, and if I hear OBJ say this, I'm not believing it. Because you want me to let my guard down. I know you may be dinged up, but guess what? Hell, I'm dinged up too. We just came through training camp.

So I don't think anybody is 100% healthy. Now, granted, he is dinged up from time to time, but I truly believe this. With OBJ, even if he's dinged up just a little bit, I'm not falling to sleep as a defender thinking he can't run top speed, which he already put that out there. Don't be surprised the first play of the game. He's going deep and he's going to run by the defensive back.

That's interesting. Do you like Cleveland's the youngest team in the league? A lot of different players, free agents, Olivier Verdon, Sheldon Richardson, OBJ, a rookie head coach. I mean, there's a lot of stuff moving. a brutal early schedule like week three to week 10's brutal. Do you buy them? Do you think they're a playoff team?

I would like to say they are a playoff team. And simply from the reason of how they finished last year, and I know they don't have the same defensive coordinator, they don't have the same head coach. But I truly believe this. You have some continuity when you look at the guys who are playing with each other. OBJ, Jarvis Landry. And that's the accountability that nobody's not even talking about.

about. Jarvis can have conversations with OBJ that the head coach can't. He can have those intimate conversations. He can challenge him in front of everybody because they've had these talks before, even going back to college. Yeah. No, I know that people said that that was a real thing, that OBJ to Cleveland, because I mean OBJ is sort of international. It works in Cleveland with Jarvis Landry. Takeo Spikes 15 years in the NFL. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in.

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