The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 09/17/2018

Episode Date: September 17, 2018

Colin explains why week 2 in the NFL was really a bad day for Le’Veon Bell. He thinks Packers fans are the last ones that should be complaining about the personal foul penalty Clay Mathews got for his hit on Kirk Cousins. Colin talks about where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Plus, former #1 pick David Carr stops by to discuss his brother Derek's relationship with Jon Gruden and why the Cowboys have to make sure Dak Prescott isn't asked to do too much. Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, this is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me on the show today. Good morning. We'll announce bigger news with Joy coming up soon. Don't want to give away too much early in the show. She had a great weekend. We had a great weekend. It was a great NFL Sunday.

It was. It was very exciting. Not so much for the kickers, but everyone else on the field. Yeah. And we had to suffer through watching the Giants on TV again. Let me start with this. Is that yesterday was a really, really, really, really bad day for one player in the NFL, and he didn't play Levian Bell. Because yesterday, Blake Bortles, who was sort of a, you know, marginal NFL quarterback, did not have Leonard Fernette, his star running back. And Blake Bortles dominated the current NFL dynasty, the New England Patriots. Dominated. In fact, Blake Bortle's on third down, ooh, when you really need that running back, Leonard

Fernett didn't even dress, wasn't in the game. And Jacksonville's offense, I don't think I've ever seen Blake Bortles, especially on third down, be that effective. By the way, Atlanta did not have Devante Freeman, and they dropped 31 points on the best front seven, arguably in the NFL, the Carolina Panthers. Tampa Bay doesn't have a running back that's combined in two games for 100 yards. They've scored 48 and 37 points. The Steelers scored 37 without Labian Bell. Arizona's got David Johnson.

He's amazing. David Johnson's amazing. Arizona can't pick up first downs. If you're Lavian Bell, if you're an actor, and you're like, I'm not going to work. I want a new contract. And they release the movie anyway, and it gets a 98 on Rotten Tomatoes and sells out theaters. Good luck in your contract negotiations. They don't need you.

Go back to the deodorant commercials because they don't need you. The New York Giants, number two picks, Akewan Barclay. Oh, you got a bunch of catches, bunch of rods, exciting. They can't score. They can't score. Aaron Rogers has no running game whatsoever. and just dropped 29 against the number one defense in the NFL. Lavian Bell, that was a bad day for you.

Blake Bortles has never looked that good. He was really good on third down. And New England's defense this year is good enough to win a Super Bowl. Not saying they will, but it's better than last year. The Jags had T.J. Elvin, he was fine. He's not Leonard Fernette, but he was fine. If you look at the five leading rushers, you're not going to believe this currently in the NFL. Let's put this list up.

Matt Berita, San Francisco, undrafted. Joe Mixen now hurt. Philip Lindsay, undrafted. Lamar Miller, his team is O and 2. James Connor is a career backup. You're demanding a long-term contract? I mean, I was thinking about this this morning. When is the last, and I don't even, I was just,

I was walking to the set this morning. When is the last time that a team, won a Super Bowl, and it felt like they were sort of led by the running back. Denver, Terrell Davis, what is that? 30 years ago? Denver's gone through nine quarterbacks then. And by the way, that Denver team had a defense and John Elway. That was the last time I really felt like a running back was leading a team to the Super Bowl.

Because John Elway, for years and years and years, 15 years couldn't win a Super Bowl, would go to the Super Bowl and get blown out because it was like Aaron Rogers. it was too reliant on John Elway. They didn't have help. They got him a running back, Torell Davis, and for a couple years, they were just knocking people out. But you're sitting there,

Lavian Bell yesterday, and I know you want to go and do emojis. And I like Labian Bell. He's a good kid, and he's a good back. I think he could really help certain teams in this league, especially teams with young quarterbacks and bad offensive lines like the New York Jets. They can help them.

He could help Buffalo that doesn't have a quarterback, and they're rebuilding their offensive line. you put them on a Pittsburgh team with Big Ben, with Antonio Brown, with Juju Smith-Schuster, with a veteran coaching staff, with two pro bowlers on the offensive line. That's a bad day for Lavian Bell. Because Jacksonville's offense and Blake Bortles have never, ever been that effective on third down, late in the game, beating a quality team. At 15 years old, we all make choices.

You choose running back over quarterback, running back over receiver, running back over cornerback, running back over pass rusher. This is your reality. You don't mean as much. All right, let me shift to this. There were four games yesterday in the NFL that were just fun to watch. Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Steelers Chiefs was crazy. Firework show.

Minnesota Green Bay couldn't turn it off. New England, Jags, went down to the end. Very entertaining. I thought Atlantic Carolina, a lot of points, a lot of movement. lot of stars, star quarterbacks. But the reason those eight teams and those four games were really, really good, nobody was using a backup quarterback. So this morning, everybody's freaking out in Green Bay.

They're overreacting to the penalty on Clay Matthews of the Packers on a hit on Kirk Cousins. Now, first of all, it was a bang, bang play. And of course, this was a penalty on Clay Matthews. I probably would not have called it myself. But it wasn't the hit. It was that, quote, he lifted. and drove a quarterback into the ground, which is really arguable. But at Green Bay fans, I want to give you a heads up, you do realize the reason there's actually

an emphasis on this in the NFL joy is because what happened to your quarterback last year, Aaron Rogers. That's why there is an over-emphasis on this play call. Listen, the NBA, 30% of the NBA, and I'm being nice, is unwatchable, non-competitive. there's really only one team in the NFL that's unwatchable. Buffalo. Why? They don't have a quarterback. NFL football last year, ratings went down. You can tell me a million reasons why Trump, Kaepernick, blah, blah, blah.

I'll tell you one of the reasons why. We had too many good quarterbacks hurt. We had too many good quarterbacks in the NFL last year got hurt. And NFL football, even if everybody else in the field is really, really talented, is not that much fun to watch. New York Giants are a great example when your quarterback stinks. The New York Giants have players everywhere, except at one spot where they're shot. There's only one team in the NFL right now that it's hard to watch.

I mean, they're just, I mean, Arizona is losing, but Buffalo's unwatchable. They can't get the quarterback right. And I'm just, there are certain things, there are certain things I'm okay in society if we're overly cautious. I would rather have overly protective parents. opposed to parents who aren't paying attention. I'm okay with overly protective parents. I hear this crowd, let him hit, let them play. All right, then Aaron Rogers, you do realize it's still not 100%.

If you just want to let them hit and let them play, who's the best quarterback in the NFC North, Aaron Rogers, who has the two best defensive fronts, Vikings Bears. You're right, Green Bay fans. Let's just let them play and let them hit and let them drive quarterback into the ground. Because I watched Aaron Rogers yesterday. He's not 100%. And you don't have a running game. And Aaron

Rogers does not audible out of sacks. And he runs around a lot. Tom Brady doesn't get hit. Aaron gets hit all the time. Yesterday, four or five times. Just taking shots. And you're complaining? Minnesota won 13 games with Case Keenham.

The Bears will win seven or eight with Mitch Trubisky. You guys were the Browns last year when Aaron Rogers got hurt. And you're complaining about that? It's like when people complain about, they go to the airport. And they complain about, oh, your plane is late because they're fixing the plane. And people are like, I can't believe it. My flight is delayed.

I can't believe my flight is delayed. And I'm like, yeah, they're getting parts so it doesn't drop out of the sky. That's literally the only time you shouldn't be annoyed that your flight is delayed. You should literally walk up to people at an airport and go, what's wrong? We have to get some additional parts and check maintenance. Right. Thank you. Right.

That are flying into horrific weather. Yes. Good looking out. Yeah. We're going to change the flight plan a little to help you remain alive. I mean, when I hear Green Bay people complaining about the Clay Matthews hit, yes, it's bang, bang. I wouldn't have called it. But there is an emphasis on this.

Jerry Jones, the Cowboys owner, about seven, eight years ago, he went to the commissioner, Roger Goodell and said, Listen, man, our league is not nearly as good when the quarterback play is bad. So one of the reasons, the current quarterback rating in the NFL this weekend was 105.1. Why? Because we got a lot of starting quarterbacks that are upright. Do you know Aaron Rogers' career passer rating is lower than the average quarterback rating in the NFL yesterday? This league's all offense now. You can't win just with a defense.

You can't. If you could win just with a defense, the New York Jets would be a viable team to win a Super Bowl. They're not. They're going to be a 7-9 football team with a rookie quarterback throwing 19 picks. But of all the fan bases that shouldn't complain about that call, it's green bays. There's a reason there's an emphasis, because of your guy getting hit by Minnesota. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Former number one pick played 10. NFL seasons, Giants, 49ers, Panthers and Texans, David Carr, an excellent analyst right now at the NFL network.

And yes, the older brother of Derek Carr. That needs to be noted as well. By the way, can you explain something to me? You know, I was saying Cleveland's been bad for years, so they've accumulated really good defensive players. Okay, they got a bunch of top picks. And you watch Tampa, and in that division, they've kind of been a dormant. And I'm watching some of their players. They've got a bunch of good players.

That said, what do you do? make of Ryan Fitzpatrick? Fitzmajic. What do you make of this? I first saw Ryan in Houston around 2005 and he shows up on the field. We're up 21 to nothing in the first half. Okay. And I'm like, who's this kid from what is this, Ivy League school? Is that right? Yeah, Harvard. Touchdowns all over the place, onside kick and the Fitzmagic was real 13, 14 years ago. So I mean, the guy can play. And what happens is as a quarterback, if you get older, if you're healthy enough and you can survive as long as he's survived. Yes.

There's nothing you haven't seen. You've seen every coverage. You've had a bazillion reps at all these throws that he's making to these guys. Oh, by the way, just like you mentioned, crazy talent. They got a ton of talent. O.J. Howard, Deshawn Jackson, Mike Evans. These are big time. Big time players.

And he's a guy that can get them the football. And he understands his job. He knows how to get it out with pace and accurate. I mean, it's not a fluke. No, David, you're actually saying what Tom Brady told Jay Glazer a couple years ago. and Jay Glazer talked to Tom Brady at camp and he goes, how long can you go? And he's like, listen, man, I've mastered it.

That's it. You can't fool me anymore. That's exactly right. So if I can keep my shoulders, right? I can stay healthy. If I can have enough avocado ice cream, I'm good. I'm going to be just fine. Okay, let's talk about, you know, the elephant in the room.

I said, I worried, David, there are industries like the post office. I could leave for 10 years, come back. I'd be fine. Yeah. If you leave Silicon Valley for two weeks, It's like... It's fast you by. Okay.

NFL, the games don't even look on TV like they used to seven years ago. Right. John Gruden was gone for a decade. I know he was close. I know he did the TV stuff. But he wasn't in the room. Yeah. Guys are more political now. Guys are more empowered. Quarterbacks.

We got wide receivers now like Brandon Cook's making a fortune. Right. Now, yesterday your brother had some very nice numbers. But you can't just be best friends with a quarterback. I worry about the room. Yeah. with John Gruden. Am I being hyperbolic or is it fair?

No, it's a healthy fear. I mean, I think this is natural. You know, you've been away from the game for 10 years. Players are different now. I mean, it's not the same as it used to be. So I think that you have to treat him a little bit different. I mean, his relationship with Derek is great. I think they've gotten along great ever since they came in.

They've been working hard together. They show up in the morning. They have breakfast. They meet every morning. That's all fine. And Derek played well yesterday. And they're going to continue to improve on offense. They're going to get better and better.

Amari Cooper targeted 10 times, had 10 catches. I mean, that's good stuff. I haven't seen them already do that in a while. So on the defensive side of the ball, though that's the concerning part. I think that's something that's just not going to go away. You traded away, arguably your best player. You know, one of the best players in the league and the last two games, trying to close out games, or especially in this last game, there's no pass rush.

No, no, no. I'm watching yesterday and I'm like, oh, God, did they need a pass rush? Yeah, it made it hard. And Arden Key is gas, Bruce is gassed. You need some depth. You got to rotate guys, whatever you got to do. But if you watch those last couple pass rushes, and those guys were playing, they're playing their heart out.

They're trying to get to case, but they just didn't have. anything left. So you've got to find ways and Paul Gunther has done a good job. And I think that honestly, I think their defense is going to be better this year. Yeah. You know, I think they're going to have more turnovers. I think they might even have they might even have more sacks just based on pressure, but it's not going to be a one-man show

like Khalil used to be. They're going to have to do it with multiple guys and you can't get gassed and run out of the tank the end. David Carr, the older brother of Derek Carr, NFL Network number one pick decade in the league. You're talking about quarterbacks and safety. And, you know, I'm a believer. This league is much better

was starting quarterbacks. Carson Wentz, that's nothing against Nicky Fools, it's fine. Carson is a spectacular, kind of a generational talent. MVP candidate last year. Andrew Locke, there's a handful of these guys, Aaron, we all know who they are.

So in Clay Matthews, I would not have called this roughing the passer, but I do get airlines putting an emphasis and being overly cautious on safety. I'm with you. And I do get why this was called. I'm with you on all of that. I think that when you look at it,

No one wants to watch. I was a backup quarterback for several years in my career. No one wants to watch the backup quarterback play. They want to see Aaron Rogers. They want to see Tom Brady. They want to see these. That same play is how Aaron Rogers

was knocked out of the game by Anthony Barr last year. It's the putting your body weight. And I like that call actually. Yeah, absolutely. But the hard part is what is Clay supposed to do? That's where I, and I'm a quarterback. And I'm all for them calling these penalties and keeping the quarterback safe and for these guys

playing into their 40s. But at the same time, I don't know what Clay Matthew was supposed to do because if you do that and you don't wrap up, if you just hit a quarterback like Ben Rothensberger or Russell Wilson or any of these guys, Carson Wins can spin out of plays. If you start allowing these guys to just kind of be bumped and knocked over, they're going to break tackles. It's going to ruin that part of the game.

It's going to be really difficult. Yeah. And this, again, this is one I don't love because I really do feel like because it's an arm tackle and, you know, Kirk's about 6'4 and about 2.25. Yeah, he's not a little guy. Yeah, Kirk's about your size. He's a big guy. I kind of felt like this with the arm

I'm going to let you drive a little and by the way his helmet's kind of away from the player. It is but when you watch it I mean what else like when he's about to go play is limited there? Yeah do you let go even then you're going to land on him I just don't know physically you heard Harrison Smith say this

a couple weeks ago and he was at the podium talking about something similar to this it was more down the field contact but he said we're all for safety we don't want to take anyone out of the game we want to play clean hit guys hard but it has to be physically possible. And that's what he said.

And he was really, you could tell he was racking his brain trying to think, how can we make this safe but at the same time still allow us to play football? Because that's what you don't want to take away. You don't want to turn into flag football. No one wants that. You don't. Okay, so Patrick Mahomes. I know Andy Reid.

I love Andy Reid. He's a great play designer. And there's not Sean McVeigh. I mean, listen, I know guys like you listen to guys like me if you ever do and you think, yeah, coward's just chalking. But even I can watch the Rams and go, that's a good play. You guys know. Yeah, absolutely. Everybody knows. You can see good play design. Okay. Sean Payton, you're like, oh, that's clever. Yeah. You see it a lot in the red zone.

Absolutely. With McVeigh, you're like, creativity stands out. Okay. Andy Reid is a really good play designer. So how much is that Tyree Kill and Patrick Mahomes? Now, so when you watch Patrick Mahomes, people are freaking out. It's a firework show. Sure. What do you see? I see. Well, so first of all, with Andy Reid, so when he made the decision to let Alex Smith go, walk, just walk for a guy that hasn't. played. You thought to yourself, man, this guy, is he crazy? But then I tend to lean towards, I'm trusting the guy that's making this decision. That's his livelihood. It's not my livelihood. It's your livelihood. You're letting Alex Smith walk. A guy that's Pro Bowl quarterback got you the playoffs. He said Alex Smith was perfect for his system. I wish I had Alex my entire career. He'd be a Hall of Fame player. He said all that. He let him go. He let him walk for this guy, for Patrick. When I saw Patrick the first time on film, I'm on the way out to the combine to see him,

I said, where has this guy been? Am I a bad college football fan? Because I didn't watch this kid play enough. And then he goes out there and live and in person the ball jumps off his hand. And then when I see him in Andy Reid's system, Andy has done a great job. The only thing that I was concerned about watching Patrick in college was that he makes a lot of plays that are just kind of like gunslinger, falling backwards, big throws.

A lot of this stuff like he sometimes Chris Carter, the great football player, said it's almost biblical. When you have a gift you want to use it. If you're a great singer, you're singing the car, you'll sing in the shower. Oh, no doubt everywhere. Mahomes has so much faith in his arm. He can kind of just sling it. Yeah, he does. But he makes great

throws. And I think the magic of what Andy Reid has done is not necessarily just his scheme, which is great. But how he's able to rein him in to where just get the ball. And you even hear Patrick talk, I just got to get the ball to my playmakers. Like to tell a guy that's been a wild stallion out in the prairie,

just running free. All you've got to do is get it to your playmakers. Just be calm. So he's got the right mindset. He's doing a fantastic job of coaching this kid. And then the thing about guys with big arms like that, they can get in trouble, but they also don't hesitate. Like his arm strength becomes even more amplified because guys with mediocre arm strength is going to be like, I don't know, I'm going to hesitate a second. He's a go for it guy. He's just, I see it, I'm ripping it. And it's coming out at 70 miles an hour and it's on the money. And then you have 10 touchdown passes in two weeks. And so it kind of takes the league by storm. But when you got a guy that's well coached, great scheme, great players, that kind of talent. And has kind of rained him in enough to play quarterback.

the league, you got a special player. The Dallas Cowboys, David, are going to have a decision to make. The average quarterback passer rating yesterday in the league was a 105, okay? Some of that's Ryan Fitzpatrick. But that's better than Aaron Rogers' all-time passer rating. We have new legislation. You can't hit the quarterback. The field's more spread out.

Nobody's huddling. Defensive guys are gassed. I like so many things about DAC. But when I watch these combos, Wentz is back as Joy said Peterson Goff McVeigh Shanahan Jimmy G

Those guys are around for another decade My feeling on DAC is I like him But when you see these quarterback coach combos We'll put them up here Just in the NFC They're going to be there for 8 to 10 years Except Breeze

I watch Dak and I see a lower ceiling I like him Sure Do you pull the trigger I don't, yeah, I don't think that you really hesitate. I mean, because look at that. I mean, you have, we've got five there. Yeah.

And I would argue that maybe Mike McCarthy not so much as it is Aaron Rogers is just great. Yeah. Those other guys are great play callers. I think those guys are the cream of the crop as far as play calling offensive minds. But look how many, there's only, there's 32 teams, and that's a small list. So every team that's out there is looking for one of those guys. You have a good quarterback in Dak Prescott. The way they ran offense yesterday is the way they have.

to run offense for the rest of the time that he's their quarterback. Involve him in the run game with Zeke. He's not Tony Romo. Don't make him Tony Romo. Don't spend the entire offseason trying to turn him into something that he's not. Put him in the run game,

design some runs for him. He'll have some hidden yards, as we like to call it in the quarterback room. I don't know what his rushing yards were yesterday, but it was significant and he made some big time first down runs. And then he'll throw it when there's one-on-one. He'll miss some of those throws too. He had a tight-in wide open in the end zone.

He missed him. It happens. It's stack, right? He's just not there yet. If he grows and matures into a better and he turns into a Russell Wilson now from the pocket, boom, voila, you're great. But you don't have to pay him as much

as one of those guys. Now that's the interesting point. You can put a lot of bodies around him. You can get a great offensive line. You can put some more pieces on defense. Maybe go find a wide receiver or Levi-on-Bel, which you don't need. But I'm saying like that kind of dynamic player around him, right? And just run behind Zeke. Let Zeke do it. You know, Travis Frederick's not out there,

but you didn't need him. You designed runs for him. And they did a good job yesterday. I mean, I think that that's the way. If he doesn't play 15 years, it's fine. gets beat up, you had 10 years of great football or eight years of great football with DAC. That's the way they have to play offense. If you're, if you're Lanahan or you're Jason Garrett, you just got to do it that way. So Josh Allen of the Bills had some moments yesterday. Sam Darnold's first two weeks, one in one, had some great moments, and some ugly picks.

I believe you, if you ran Cleveland, would you just say, the hell, just go Baker Mayfee? I would. I don't know. I mean, here's what happened. So, yes, Yesterday they're winning the football game. Yeah. And Tyrod or Turad or whatever we're calling him now. Yeah. Does the one thing that he can't do and he turns the football over. Yeah.

In a one score game, he turned it over. He made some big plays too. I mean, he came back, you know, in his defense, makes a great throw. That's a great throw. I mean, Calhways not even running. And then he sees the ball and he's like, I go get this thing. And that's, that's Taylor just saying, I'm going to make a play here. So that that's great.

I think that Baker Mayfield showed enough in the preseason to where you could put him out there. and this team's good enough they could protect him and he makes throws down the field. He's consistent with those throws. I liked him in the combine. When I went out there and saw him, I was surprised by his arm strength and his ability to throw the football.

Tyrod or to rod, it's a good player, but the ceiling like we talked about earlier with some other guys, it's not as high. And maybe you don't care. Maybe if you're the Browns, you want to win five games. Let's try and win one first, right? But I think that in the age we're in now, Baker is ready to go out there.

Listen, I would not have drafted Baker, but my takeaway was always, there were three of these guys that were ready to at least win games. Rosen, who hasn't played yet, Darnold and Baker. I think Baker's ceilings lower, in my opinion, than Darnold's. I agree with you. I like Donald. I like Sam a lot. I think a little bigger, a little stronger athlete. He does more dynamic things from the pocket.

Right. But if you look at Cleveland's defense, it's really, really interesting. It is. So you know that Baker's going to, as long as Baker doesn't throw pick, sick of, pick six after pick six. Yeah. Cleveland's going to be in most of the games they play this year. I agree.

And I think that he knows enough. The game has changed to where when I came out of college, I didn't know. I didn't know. They showed me the playbook. And I said, this is, this is Chinese. I literally can't read this. Like, this is not what we didn't. We threw slants and screens and through some fades.

But now these guys coming out, they understand the game. They're running pro-style concepts. Not only they run pro-style concepts, the NFL has stolen some of the college concepts because there's so many good coordinators there. Yeah. And they've brought it over. So Baker runs the RPO's, the run pass options. Like, he gets all that.

He has great pocket presence, great pocket presence for young. I think the best at all these guys, maybe not Sam Donald. Sam Donald's right up there with him. But you could put a guy like that in there and he can protect himself and then he can grow and get experience and maybe win a couple games for you. Okay. I like the Jags yesterday without Leonard Fournett. I kind of felt like there are games over the course of a year that just mean more to one team.

I thought it was a Super Bowl for Jacksonville. Yeah. I thought, and so when I came into the game, I kind of felt like I'm like, listen, New England's a little beat up at running back as well. They're not dynamic enough at Whiteout. And I think Jacksonville, this game, you can't fake it. That game meant more to, you could tell in the first half. And they're a young hungry team.

You know, New England's been there. They've won games. I mean, it was a battle for Tom. Tom Brady was in the dog fight yesterday. And it almost felt like he was by himself because they did a great job taking away grunk. They did multiple coverages, double coverages. They were coming from everywhere. they weren't giving him clean look, so that was tough.

But Blake Bortle's played fantastic. I thought that's the best I've ever seen him. If Blake's going to play like that, Jacksonville is a real problem for everybody in the league. You know, David, the knock on Bortles has been, again, low ceiling. I thought when he came out, I said he's a poor man's Andrew Luck. He's got the size and the mobility of Andrew. I don't think he's going to be Andrew pre-snap. I don't think he's as accurate.

But on third down yesterday, their coaching staff told me, we trust him more now. They made throws late in the game on third down. Yes. I mean, there's three minutes left in the game they're throwing it. There's a minute 20 left in the game they're throwing the football. I mean, you don't do that with a guy you don't trust. Exactly.

And so a lot of that is through the course of the game, he made some plays. Coaching staff gets a good field. Moron's like, yeah, we trust him, let him rip it. And those coverage also, Belichick was, they weren't going to let him run the football over the place. They played a lot of one-on-one coverage on the outside. And those wide receivers stepped up, too. They made some big-time plays.

Cole made that catch on the sideline. Great blocking down the field. They were hungry football team. Not more than New England, because New England obviously wants to win the football game. You see Brady's competitive. But there was an intensity. There was. From the defensive side.

No question. That was a huge game for them. Say hi to your brother Derek, who's an amazing guy. I will. And what's great about you, David, you're coaching your son. I love to see NFL guys who are coaching their sons. It's a blast, man. It's the best.

This says a lot about you and your family and Derek and David. I love to have you back on. Love to. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Every Monday at this time. And we do it year-round now because people liked it so much. You told us you liked it. So sometimes I've got to be honest.

Sometimes I'm right. Sometimes I'm wrong. Here we go. Where Colin was right. John, you've been with me a lot of years. First couple of weeks are always the roughest on Blazing Five, but yet somehow we had a winning week in the Blazing Five. Gutsy. Leonard Fernette was out.

We still like the Jags. Gutsy. We took the Colts to go. win to DC as a touchdown dog and beat Washington. Gutsy. We like the Falcons big at home having to surrender almost a touchdown. For the record, we like the Seahawks tonight with all their injuries. Gutsy, Blazing Five, another winning week. Where Colin was wrong.

All right, this whole Ryan Fitzmagic thing, I didn't really see that coming. Okay, he has 400 yards each week and four touchdowns each week in the history of football. That's never happened. I'm not going to lie to you. A little bit of a surprise for me. Ryan Fitzpatrick's one of those guys. He'll do this like twice a year. Like twice a year, he just pops.

So he's saying it's ending? You'd think, but here's the thing, as David Carr just said. Tampa Bay's been so bad for years. They've accumulated a lot of high draft picks on offense. They've got a ton of talent offensively, tied in, a wide receiver talent, And, you know, I mean, listen, Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard, so we know he's probably pretty good pre-snap. Dirk Cutter, his coach, has always been an offensive guy. The question now is, what do you do with James Winston?

And I've got to tell you something. I'm not starting James Winston. If this kid keeps putting up even remotely similar numbers, I'm not, because if you put James Winston back in and he struggles, the crowd's going to be cheering for Ryan Fitzpatrick, then you got yourself a Tebow situation in Denver, and you're a mess. I don't even think it's a question. I think you just ride this. and so the wheels fall off. And the NFL, it's hard enough to win.

If you're winning, let it go. I mean, he's eventually going to lose. Like, even if he does lose a game, at least there's not dysfunction. So. I think you just got to ride it. Right. Go to Thanksgiving. See how you're doing.

Where Colin was right. Matt Patricia spent his entire career with his hat on backwards. Week one, he had his hat on backwards. And I said, grow up. You look like a schmuck. Don't be that guy, that millennial. do I got to dress like a robot. No, but you're representing an NFL franchise, Matt Patricia.

Get your hat on right. And yesterday for the first time, he heard it. He had his hat on right. I don't know if he heard me, but he heard it. I had three NFL executives this week. Text me after my rant ripping Patricia saying, Right on. There's 32 NFL coaching jobs.

Detroit in the state of Michigan, a beautiful state, very proud franchise, perhaps dysfunctional, you are representing more than yourself. I'm not asking you be George Clooney in Oceans 11. I don't need Pierce Brosnan or James Bond. You can't be the big Lebowski. You're coaching an NFL team. Get your hat on forward. And he did.

And by the way, Detroit looked like a legitimate NFL team. They looked like a legitimate NFL team yesterday. Matt Matricia. Where Colin was wrong. The New York Jets offense is worse. Pat Shermer, no impact. Nate, Giants, I'm sorry, Giants. The New York

Giants offense is worse. They brought over Nate Sold or left tackle. No impact. Sequin Barclay's averaging 2.4 yards per carry. He is a nice wide receiver. Odell Beckham, congrats. Slants. Does he do anything else but slants? I mean, Eli Manning's getting your 30

completions, but they're not going anywhere. I mean, honestly, I thought they upgraded their offensive line. Is Eli Manning just this shot? I mean, I thought we'd have a pulse. I thought the Giants would be interesting. I mean, you get to a point now, you can't put them on television. I mean, you can't put the New York. I don't care.

There's one team in New York you can put on television. They'll be on Thursday, the Jets. You can put them on television. I mean, the Giants have almost regressed offensively with an upgraded receiver, upgrade it back, upgrade left tackle, upgrade it coach. They're awful. They're awful and unwatchable. Where Colin was right?

I told you for two years, Sam Darnold was hiding mediocre coaching at USC. Oklahoma is still scoring 40 a game without Baker Mayfield. USC can't get first downs without Sam Donald. The program has completely unraveled. I've said this for years, and I said this is one of the reasons I would take Sam Darnold number one, that you can tell a person's impact not just by where they enter and land, but what happens to the place they leave? When Harbaugh left the 49ers, they fell apart.

He can coach. Baker Mayfield can play, but Oklahoma's fine without Baker Mayfield. They'll score 45 a weekend. USC can't move the chains without Sam Darnold. I mean, they are unraveling, and it's not like they're playing, you know, Alabama. Texas has a new coach, couldn't stop Maryland the last two years. And at one point in this game, I think Texas had a 34-0-0 run in this football game. Brutal. Where Colin was wrong. Outside of Ohio State, the Big Ten is massively disappointing. This weekend, for the first time

in Big Ten history, they had seven losses to unranked teams in non-conference games. That's never happened. Nebraska lost to Troy, Wisconsin lost to BYU. Listen, the SEC, we know it has better players, because you can look at the last 20 NFL drafts. But I thought the Big Ten had bridged some of the gap due to extensively, they really upgraded their coaching. But this weekend was awful. I mean, Maryland got routed by Temple. Kansas? Kansas?

I thought Kansas was the worst program in the country. They beat Rutgers by 40. Akron beat North Western. BYU. I mean, there have been BYU teams that are pretty good. This isn't one of them. My bad. Where Colin was right.

We were the only media outlet in America that Wednesday and Thursday told you Aaron Rogers would play. Ooh, so did you talk to your source? I did. And it was, Joey, you and I have been doing this a long time. And we all have sources. Right. Okay. This was the strangest source I've,

ever had. It was 100% accurate. I cannot at the current time divulge it because the source contacted me yesterday and said, I may give you another story before the end of the year. Maybe I'll write a book someday when I retire and tell you the source. But it was 100% accurate.

I knew it by late Wednesday, early Thursday that Aaron Rogers was going to play and I wouldn't have gone on the air if I didn't believe it. I'm telling you folks, Big J. journalism right here every week. So your source would also not like you to tell where I got it from.

Like not who they are, but like, you said it was a weird situation. Let's just say it's too close to Aaron Rogers to divulge Aaron Rogers News. And I'll just leave it at that. I'll just leave it at that. Okay. Where Colin was wrong.

Ed Orgeron, I've always thought, is an amazing football coach, but I wouldn't name him my head coach. Well, I watched LSU beat Auburn this weekend in Auburn, and fourth quarter coming. comeback. They look well-coached. And they really do. Ed has figured out four and two against the top 10, 24-and-eight,

as a head coach at USC briefly in LSU. Ed is never going to be saving. Okay, but he's incredibly real, 100% authentic, an incredibly nice guy. Players love him. A tremendous motivator. And I've got to be honest. One of the reasons I didn't have LSU top 10 was Ed Orgeron. I said, listen, I'd name him my defensive line.

coach, maybe my defensive coordinator. I don't know if he's a guy that can lead a program. They've been great. They have looked absolutely well-coached in both their games this year. I'm wrong so far. And Ed Orch on an LSU. They look like a team that can compete for the national championship. You go to Auburn and win, and it's a real Auburn team.

You go to Auburn and win, you can win the national title. Where Colin was right? I said before the season that the Rams had the best roster, but nobody wants to say it. From kick to punter, to head coach, the defensive coordinator, to the roster. The Rams are dropping 35 points yesterday, and I'm not sure they clicked.

Do you realize, think about this, the L.A. Rams since Sean McVeigh took over, think about this, Joy. In the 18 games he's coached, have scored over 30, 11 times, and that's having to resurrect Jared Goff's career, which appeared dead. I mean, I'm watching them yesterday. I don't even think they played well, and they dropped 35. But a lot of people, there's a resentment about L.A. We all knew LeBron was going to be a Laker.

But if you say it, no, you're not going to go to L.A. Yeah, you had two homes here. All his friends live here. All his businesses are here. Magic Johnson here. Yeah, he'd never go to L.A. There's a slam dunk. Even Jerry West admitted it after it happened.

You just don't want to admit it because you don't want to see L.A. win because there's a resentment about, you know, LA, they are ridiculous. Coaching, kicking, punning, O-line, D-line, secondary is stacked. Again, it's also, they're just very disciplines in their image also. You just don't hear a lot from them. I mean, if you compare just the Steelers to the Rams, it's like they're all just quiet. And for Los Angeles, it's so out of character. But I think it's a reflection of how Sean McVeigh carry.

just directs the team. That's how Sean McVey is. The reflection of him. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. When you marry somebody, you know, my takeaway is expectations. So if you marry somebody and you marry somebody that's safe, that's fine, but you could get bored and you're supposed to be married for life. So if you marry somebody that is a little risky, but just does it for you. Well, 20, 30 years from now, they probably still do it for you.

As long as your expectations are realistic with Dak Prescott, you won't be disappointed. Listen, Dak Prescott was passed over by 32 teams in this league three times. I've been pretty accurate through the years on quarterbacks. I'm pretty good on not going to work, going to work kind of disaster really good. I miss some, but NFL people miss some. People passed on Russell Wilson. Dax not Russell Wilson. When I'm watching him yesterday, if you take out the Tavon-Austin home run early,

they pass for 87 yards, okay, the rest of the game. There's a lot of qualities about DAC I like. I think he's kind of a durable guy. He's a mobile guy. The team feels like they're in control with him. He's very safe. not going to lose a lot of games for you. But if you get into a relationship with somebody and one of their primary assets is they're safe,

you know, they keep a good checkbook, they'll never get you in trouble, they're incredibly dependable, there's nothing wrong with that. But you may get bored and you may get really frustrated if that doesn't align with your expectations. And Jerry Jones wants to win Super Bowls. Now, Jerry Jones, recently last week, said this about Dak Prescott going forward. We've got a quarterback that is somewhere between the one that you saw with the Rams last night and Cam Newton. He can do some of what both of those guys do.

Well, you know it's there. You know he's got it. Okay, therein lies the problem. He's not close to Cam Newton as a physical specimen, and he's not Jared Gough, the thrower. So if Jerry's going to get in this relationship and he's using Cam, who physically, outside of Big Ben, not a lot of guys have played the position and look like Cam and throw like Cam. Or you're going to use Jared Goff, who's going to have Sean McVeigh as his coach, Todd Gurley. Those expectations are not lined up with reality.

I like Dak. There's a lot I like about it. And when he hasn't played for them in the last three years, they've been a mess. he offers durability, mobility, I think it's a sustainability, but the ceiling's low. It's really low. And when you look around the NFC and I got McVan Gough together, and I got, you know, Sark and Matt Ryan are getting better, and I got Breeze and Peyton together, and I got Jimmy G. and Shanahan together.

And I got Aaron Rogers talent. Safe. Safe is going to have to have to have. so many good players around it to burst through those teams, you could be very disappointed. What worries me about Jerry is he's like, well, you see some cam and you see some golf. That's not what anybody in the league sees. Nobody sees almost cam or throws like golf. No, no, nobody sees that. So if you're going to marry safe and reliable, get ready for a life of safe and reliable.

Not going to be a lot of fireworks shows. not going to be a lot of chaos but I think what DAC is showing us is what many scouts said when they passed on him armed talent average to below average

not the kind of guy that can carry an average roster Cam has carried some average players Goff I think I have two friends on the RAM staff Goff is a special player Goff to me is a better Matt Ryan long term and Matt Ryan's pretty good.

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