The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 10/01/2018

Episode Date: October 1, 2018

Colin points out that if you're a Baker Mayfield defender and you think the refs lost that game, remember that the refs didn't have four turnovers. He thinks the Aaron Rodgers act is getting stale and he talks about where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Plus, former Falcons and Redskins DB DeAngelo Hall comes in studio to talk about Frank Reich's controversial 4th down call that gave the Colts a loss. Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah! To Monday, this is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor's joining me one hour from now

where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. Peter King, 40 minutes from now, how are you, Joy? I'm great. Good morning. Good morning to you. NFL ratings were up on every network yesterday. The NFL is king. The NFL is back. Sorry, Twitter. It's winning and it's winning big. Big Lee. Let me start with this. Here's the country we live in now in America today. It is a country based on affirmation, not information. Everybody wakes up in the morning with their sports, with their politics, with an opinion. And regardless of what happens,

you're digging your feet in and that's your opinion. You will not let anybody swore. you. That's just the world we live in. We live in now an affirmation society, not an information society. Just tell me what, we even watch channels. They'll tell me what I want to hear. This channel will tell me what I want to hear. Not what you need to hear. So in Ohio, home of the Cleveland Browns, in Oklahoma, where Baker Mayfield played, you woke up in the morning, it didn't matter what he did. It's just going to be amazing. Pick six, somebody else's fault. Lost somebody else's fault. Referees cost us. Really? Reference. Referees through the four turnovers.

Referee through the pick six. Okay, I was just checking out. He had a lot of yards. Oh, Baker-Mayfield had a lot of yards. Are you watching the NFL in 2018? Yards are really easy to come by. But you know what's never easy to come by in the NFL? And it never will be easy to come by in the NFL.

Wins and Baker's own one as a starter. And by the way, good luck. Ravens are next up. Schedule gets hard now. Don't tell me Baker played well. in the history of the National Football League. There has never been a single time that a quarterback, rookie or not, commits four turnovers and people say, wow, what a performance.

Let me tell you something, Ohio. Your standards are pretty low if four turnovers you're satisfied with. I didn't think he played that well. He's clearly capable of being an NFL quarterback. What would I predict it in college? He's good enough to be an NFL quarterback. He's an accurate thrower of the football. But even Hugh Jackson after the game said,

basically, quote, obviously turnovers were the difference in the game. Hugh Jackson didn't say officials were there for the loss. Didn't blame his defense. Yes, some of his balls were dropped. Baker Mayfield throws it hard with a lot of spin. He's going to have drop balls. A couple years ago, Matt Ryan led the NFL in drops. It happens. Get over it.

Mayfield completed 50% and had four turnovers. And you're telling me. me this morning, you thought that was great. Here's the other thing, is that it's pretty obvious in the NFL right now. That if you're a young quarterback, Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, Mitch Trubisky, having an offensive staff, an offensive coach is an advantage. We saw Jared Goff with Jeff Fisher. We see it with Sean McVeigh.

Patrick Mahomes lighting it up, Andy Reid. Mitch Trubisky, six touchdowns. Mr. Trubisky. He's got Matt Nagy. By the way, Sam Darnold, defensive head coach. Josh Rosen, rookie, defensive head coach. Josh Allen Buffalo defensive head coach. Baker Mayfield, and this is why I said, do not run Hugh Jackson out of town, is a smart offensive head coach.

That's why Hugh Jackson didn't blame the refs. Hugh Jackson didn't blame the defense. Hugh Jackson didn't blame the receivers. Hugh Jackson said, I'm tired of it. This is not acceptable. four turnovers cost us the game. Baker Mayfield has the best offensive line of any rookie quarterback. Darnolds is awful.

Josh Rosen's is awful. Josh Allen's is awful. I don't count Lamar Jackson because he's not starting. That's Flacco's team. He also has real weapons. He has an elite wide receiver in his prime, Jarvis Landry. He also had 200 yards rushing yesterday. So he's got a better offensive line, the only of the rookies that has an elite receiver in his prime.

and he's got three legitimate running backs. Nick Chubb, who I said before the year, could be rookie of the year, is really good. Carlos Hyde is really good. Duke Johnson, nice little player. Those are three legit NFL running backs. The Jets would like to have one. Listen, if you wake up in the morning and you've already made your decision on political stuff and sports stuff, you're not into information.

You're into affirmation. If you want to talk about yards, Derek Carr had four. 140 against the Cleveland defense. That Cleveland defense is real. That Raider defense is crap. That Raider defense is bad. So Baker Mayfield, on three extra days rest, had more turnovers, and those are the difference between winning and losing.

I don't think Aaron Rogers has ever had a four turnover game. Had more turnovers than all the other rookie quarterbacks with fewer weapons combined. and he also faced the worst defense of all the rookie quarterbacks yesterday. So I got news for you. Lauren Jackson didn't have a turnover. Josh Roden didn't have a turnover. Sam Darnold faced the Jaggs didn't have a turnover. The Baker Mayfield had four.

But you woke up in the morning. You just made a decision. A pick six is not his fault. Well, I mean, the officiating, nobody in a striped shirt committed a turnover. Baker had four. He's not going to be a bust. but by the end of this year, if you're bragging about yards today with Baker Mayfield,

having 290-some yards, if he didn't have more yards than Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and Sam Darnold, I'd be worried because he has a legitimate O-line. He has a legitimate star receiver in his prime. He has legitimate running backs. He has an offensive coach. Between Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley,

those are veteran offensive minds. I don't think Baker's a bust. I never did, but I don't wake up in the morning not willing to go, what am I really seeing? What I saw was an injury riddled offense led by Baker Mayfield. He'll be fine, but you've got to be honest about it. Can't be blaming refs this morning.

Can't be blaming receivers. They didn't commit four turnovers. Let me shift gears to a decision by Frank Reich. He is the rookie head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. And overtime loss, he went for it on a fourth down and pretty short in his territory. and he didn't get it, then Houston got a couple yards and won. Everybody's, Frank Reich is just getting crushed today. I think it's interesting.

For something to be courageous and gutty, there has to be risk. And if the Colts would have picked up a first down and kicked a field goal, every single sports columnist would have put gutty, courageous in the headline. Because something can't be, it's not courageous to get a job out of college and 40 years later have the same job. There's no risk. It's not gutty to walk across a street with no cars. There's no risk.

It's not gutty to walk across a bridge that you can't jump off of. You know what I mean? You can't bungee jump off of. There's no risk. Courage and guts come from risk. Otherwise, there's no such thing. There has to be risk. It's risky to be, you know, a lot of different things.

It's not risky. And that's what the columns would have been. today. What a gutty move. Courageous move. You can't go from gutty and courageous to stupid based on the results. Doesn't work that way because Mike Rable pulled his kicker off the field and went forward on fourth down and he won. So the results were different. You're calling him gutty today. You're calling him gritty today. You're calling him smart today. Doesn't work that way. journalists in the media too often look at results and base all their narrative on that. I like the move by him.

And I'll tell you why I like the move. So he goes for it. First of all, his quarterback was on fire and the Texans defense was absolutely gassed. But here's why I really, really like it. Because when you take over a business and he's a rookie head coach, year one is not about wins. Year one for me at this network was about changing the culture, creating chemistry, a belief system. Year two, then you can start looking at Ws.

Then you start checking the scoreboard. But the Colts have the third to fourth best roster in their own division. I'll repeat in their own division. And Frank Reich, the new head coach of the Colts, came from a Philly staff. that not only led the NFL in conversions on fourth down, but attempts. He brought that culture over. Philly, Philly Special, Super Bowl,

trick plays against the Patriots, fourth down, goal line, for the win. Okay, when Chuck Pagano was the coach of the Colts, my big complaint was, what the hell's the identity with this team? What are they? With Frank Reich, I know what the identity is.

Andrew Luck's my guy. We're going to be aggressive. We don't care what you think. Here's what Frank Reich, who's getting ripped today, said about his decision. Yeah, I'll just address it now. I mean, we're not playing a tie. I mean, we're going for that 10 times out of 10. I mean, that's just the way it's got a role.

We're going to be aggressive. That's what we want in our players. That's a mindset that we have in our players. That's the only way to win in this league, I think. That's how the Eagles won the Super Bowl. And by the way, Frank Reich left the Eagles. They're not as good this year. Year 1 is about creating a culture.

This team's not a playoff team. Good God, I said I think they'll go 8 and 8, and I got all sorts of pushback. Most people, Vegas have it's 5 and 6 wins. They don't have Jacksonville's roster. They don't have the Texans roster. I'm not sure they have a Titans roster. Year 1 is a culture change.

Year two is results. And by the way, I at least know what they are now. The culture aggressive. And by the way, whereas I never felt Pagano and Ursae had any relationship, Ryan Grigson either, any relationship with Andrew Luck at all. He had this star young quarterback, and I felt he was kind of just swimming on his own. He didn't trust the coach. He didn't trust the GM.

He didn't have an offensive line. He didn't trust the training staff. He admits now Andrew Luck, I was in deep pain playing. No, no, no, no. This morning? Here's what I know, what Andrew Luck thinks. I like my coach. Here's Andrew. We're not going to play for a tie. And I think everybody in that locker room freaking likes that. I love that. I love that. Now, we've got to execute. I've got to play better. I've got to throw a better ball. I mean, we all know where we have to improve. But that attitude, we can get behind that. You know, there's an old saying, don't jump over a $20 bill to get to a five. All you're trying to do in Indianapolis right now is create this cohesive culture.

And Frank Reich did it. Mike Vrable did the same thing in this morning. Courage, gutty, courage, wow. What, on the results? Marcus Marietta was playing really well. Go for it. Andrew Luck was tearing up the Texans. Go for it.

What are you got to lose? Third place in the division? I will always support, and I've talked about this. This is how a certain guy got into the White House. Aggressive wins. It wins in politics. It wins in sports. It may not win every day.

It may not win every election. It may not win every Sunday. But aggressive wins. You got to ask the pretty girl out. and sometimes eight out of ten she'll laugh at you, roll her eyes, mock you and say no. You don't get less aggressive. Aggressive wins, Frank Wright went that way, totally, absolutely support it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

This sounds counterintuitive, but it's much easier to handle failure than success. Because if joy fails or I fail, you put your head down, you work hard, and you don't want to get embarrassed again. So when you fail, the solution's pretty easy. Like get your stuff together, concentrate more, focus more, put your head down and work hard. But success is actually harder to handle. It's like, ooh, you got a raise. Man, I'm going to buy this. I'm going to buy that.

I'm going to buy this. I'm going to buy. Success is hard because it's hard to be successful. And a lot of people are successful. getting to the tops one thing, staying at the top is really, really hard like New England.

So New England was vulnerable this weekend. They were a wounded bird. They were one and two. They still have a completely unsettled wide receiving core. Their best wide receiving target is a running back, James White. Grom got hurt

again. They have no pass rush. They're 28th in the NFL in Sacks. Brady Belichick. It's not perfect. They lost Matt Patricia, the defensive coordinator. They're a wounded bird, man. They're so vulnerable. Here comes Miami. Not very successful, but not successful. Guy got a little taste of success. Bought a new Corvette. He's driving a new car. I got a new job. Got a new

corner office. Miami showed up and laid a blank and egg. Miami could have gone up. Three and a half games on New England. It's not that they lost. They weren't even ready to play. Rick Flair, to be the man, you've got to beat the man, and you had the man. You were healthier. You weren't unsettled at wide receiver. You weren't unsettled at running back. Your best player, Gronk, didn't get hurt. You had an opportunity. The weather was a non-factor, which, let's be fair, it is harder for a Miami or a Tampa to go play in a Green Bay or a Foxborough in November to December. They're not used to the weather, just like it's hard for a New England or a Green Bay in

September to go down and play in Miami where it's, you know, 96 degrees in smothering or Jacksonville. So the weather was perfect. You were the healthier team. But again, this is just what Miami is. I put him in my herd hierarchy at number 10 and I deeply resented it. The staff's like, you got to get Miami a shot. And I said, I'm not putting them at 10. You can't trust Miami. So much to the chagrin of me and my reputation, I snuck Miami in at 10, I will no more recommendations from the staff. To be clear, I was not a part of that conversation. So while I very much would like for the dolphins to be good, I trust my experiences with the dolphins. So this is not surprising to me.

At 3.30 Eastern yesterday, third quarter, Jets, Bill's Dolphins, none of Madney points. Brady scores 38 with a collection of whatever that is. But I'm telling you so much, it's so true. A lot of it's just cultural. Miami's got one of those cultures where they just can't handle any success. This was there to take, you could have literally seized control of the division. Four and O out of September against one in three. And oh, by the way, New England's got to come to you.

later in the year, where through the years, Miami against New England at home, been a pretty good matchup. It's not that you lost. You didn't even compete. I mean, they did beat the Raiders and the Jets. And the Titans looks good yesterday, the Titans. I mean... By the way, here's Tom Brady after the game.

Tom Brady, celebrate rarely, grind, regularly had fun for just a minute. Great to be back in the wind column two and two and it's coming quick. Boxborough, Foxborough, Thursday night, baby, got to get the three and two. Let's go.

What up? Trying to miss me, she said she missed me, and she wanted to kiss me. God, Miami. I mean, you know, you got a little, you got a raise, you went out and bought yourself a sports car,

you got the corner office and you got a hangover and showed up for a meeting. That's exactly what happened yesterday. Couldn't handle that much success in your life. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. I've said this joy on this show. And Joe, you've been here, what, three months now? One of the things I've said about the NBA that drives me crazy is the media falls in love with the newest, shiniest toy.

James Harden, Russell Westbrook. And it's like, you got Durant over here and LeBron are the best players, most valuable players in the NBA, the media does this. And if you're cool, if you're a good quote, the media likes cool and they like hip and they like progressive and they like Aaron Rogers is all of that stuff. And I'm not denying he's super talented. But I always roll my head when I'm like, oh, he's better than Tom Brady. No, he's not.

Tom Brady's more coachable, more consistent, less ego, harder working off season. more driven, better in the clutch. No, Tom Brady's better than Aaron Rogers. Well, Aaron's got a great arm. So did Dan Marino. Joe Montana was better than Dan Marino because he was more coachable. And he had less ego. And he was better in the clutch.

And he was, I mean, 11th year, I said this yesterday on NFL kickoff. And everybody was shocked. I said, when I wake up in the morning now, and Aaron yesterday was 22 of 40, and he wasn't good. And he's not accurate. And some of it's an injury. And some of it's he's not practicing. I get it. And I'm not denying he's a great talent.

But when I wake up in the morning on Sunday now, I don't think about Aaron Rogers. I want to watch Patrick Mahomes. I want to watch Jared Goff and the Rams. I love what Chicago's doing with their coaching. There's just young guys I want to watch a quarterback. There's just a lot of young guys I want to watch. I'm bummed out that Jimmy G's gone. I'm used to Aaron Rogers getting hurt.

It's going to be 35 in December. He's hurt again. He's not practicing again. And he's not very good again. This is the 11th year in the NFL that the media has, fond over him. And he's 34, he's hurt again, he's outspoken again, and it's somebody else's fault again. And I don't buy that Devante Adams is a better, wide, receiving talent than anybody Tom Brady has. Tom Brady doesn't have anything close to Devonthe Adams. By the way,

in his prime, Tom Brady didn't have anything close to Jordy Nelson. And I'm not saying, and don't tell me McCarthy's, every time Mike McCarthy has a chance to throw Aaron into the bus, he doesn't. Mike McCarthy comes out, effusive in his praise, every stinking time. Mike McCarthy could throw Aaron under the bus. He never does. Aaron yesterday? Could have thrown the team under the bus? He didn't waste the opportunity now, did he?

So that's just not acceptable offense for us. Four and 23 yards looks pretty good in comparison to some of the games we've put forward the first three weeks, but it should have been about 45 points and about 600 yards. Well, we were terrible on offense, so I don't think it made a difference for the offense. We need to find ways to get our playmakers in position to get some more opportunities. You know, a game like today, I mean, Devante is a tough cover for anybody,

but he should have 20 targets today. Coach has put the plan together. I'd tell them what cause I like, and we go. Well, the coach puts the plans together, and Devante should have had. had 20 targets. The insinuation is we didn't put a plan together to have 20 targets. You can't audible at the line. You can't find him 20 times. Again, Aaron's, I don't know Aaron. I know he doesn't like me. That's fine. But this is the 11th year and he's hurt again and not practicing

again. And his pass a rating's bad. And I keep getting told, you know, it's funny about it. One of the things I always said about Tim Duncan, Tim Duncan and Tom Brady are the most coachable superstars. They took pay cuts. They were about the team. They worked really hard. They were driven. They didn't have, they suppressed their ego. I don't see a lot of suppressing of the ego with Aaron. I don't think he's easy to coach. Multiple people have called him out. And any chance he's got a chance to kind of stick it to somebody, they haven't scored 30 points in a calendar year. Tribisky just dropped 150. Okay. Kurt Cousins on Thursday night threw for about 600 yards. I don't know. When I wake up on Sunday, there's other guys.

And he should win another Super Bowl. I would be shocked if he didn't win another Super Bowl. And I have defended him saying they don't do a very good job getting him defensive players. I think they should have signed Khalil Mack. And I think he's an all-time talent. But I consider him much more Marino than Brady. The reason Brady ends up with rings and Dan Marino, who by the way, had Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson as coaches. Don't tell me Dan Marino didn't have great coaches.

Jimmy Johnson's one of the top five ever and Don Shula's one of the top six. There's a reason he didn't win him and Brady did. And some of it's Brady and Marino's issues or strengths. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. All right, we do it every Monday at this time. Where Colin was right and where Colin was wrong. Where Colin was right? I said the Ravens were my. dark horse Super Bowl team and I said more than anything, Joe Flacco is going to have a very good year. I've been told by people around the NFL, he's not as aspirational as a Tom Brady or Joe Montana.

He doesn't wake up wanting to conquer the world. He kind of plays himself into shape. But I said if you light a fire under him or it's a contract year, watch out. Well, they drafted Lamar Jackson. He feels a little heat and he has been fantastic. Eight touchdowns, two picks, career highs and passer rating and passing yards per game. Joe Flacco, when Joe Flacco is motivated, is a really good NFL quarterback. Great size and a cannon for an arm, but he's not always motivated. We've all worked with people like that. Some people just don't wake up wanting to conquer the world, and the ones that have talent

and do become Kobe Bryant, become Tom Brady, become LeBron James. But Flacko has been what we predicted he would be, a really good quarterback with a team that's capable now, maybe as good as anybody in this league, including the L.A. Rams. Where Colin was wrong. Mitch Trubisky threw for six touchdown passes. Gonna be honest, I didn't see that one coming. In the history of guys who have thrown six touchdown passes in a game, let me read the names.

Otto Graham, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Aaron, Roger, Steve Young. Mitch Trubisky. Listen, I still think his ceiling is rather low, but the Bears Matt Nagy, another Andy Reid disciple, is cranking up all sorts of clever stuff. And yesterday, you know, Mitch dialed up a couple of, that's a beautiful throw. A couple of really big time throws.

So I see the guy is very limited, but he proved me wrong yesterday. Mitch Trubisky, say it out loud, is now in a class with Otto Graham. Where Colin was right? Philadelphia, a puffier chest town. This is what Philadelphia has always been. the Super Bowl, the coach gets a book deal.

Oh, they're yap, yep, yep, yep, yep, making guarantees. Go to a bunch of parades. And now Philadelphia is two and two. They're not spectacular at anything. Carson Wentz is okay. They've lost two road games. Secondary is kind of a mess. And the chest puffing eagles with a tougher first place schedule have come back

down the earth. And oh, by the way, good luck because your schedule gets tougher now. Next up, Minnesota, that defense with experts. time and really motivated. I think Philadelphia will eventually probably get it right, but this is what I warned you about. How do you handle success? And Philly Guy has never been great at handling success.

The Phillies weren't, the Sixers weren't, takes a little class, a little refinement. Put your head down, work. Stop the trash talk. Enough for the books and parades. Where Colin was wrong. Well, some of this has been injuries. but Atlanta's now one and three and they're losing differently each week. I said I thought they were as good as anybody in the NFC, and I like their schedule.

But I look at them now, you know what? There's just certain teams that never make the play. And they don't make the play defensively, and even though they've solved their red zone issues offensively, they don't make the big play offensively. And it's funny because Dan Quinn is a defensive-minded head coach. He's a tough guy. But when you watch Atlanta, don't you always feel like if they get into a fist fight here, they're going to come out on the wrong end of it?

And again, now they're losing home games. I have overvalued the Falcons. Where Colin was right? I said this to start the year. This Notre Dame team is different. This is the best Notre Dame team. I'm being honest here that I've seen since the Lou Holtz era. They are big.

And I mean like Alabama big, Georgia big, Oklahoma big. upfront defensively. They got NFL players. They got Sunday guys defensively. They rolled Stanford. Stanford's a good team. Stanford's a top 7-8 team in the country. They have now put a new quarterback in Ian Book, and he is a big-time player.

So they have solved what was their issue throwing the ball down the field. This is the best Notre Dame team. My eyes tell me they've had it in over a decade defensively up front. They maybe aren't as good as Clemson up front defensively, but they're every bit as good as the Georgia's and the Oklahoma's and the Alabama's up front, and they got the quarterback salt. I've always liked Brian Kelly, a little bit of a hot head, a little temperamental, not easy to quarterback for, but I've been critical of Notre Dame in the past.

They are the real deal. This team, to me, looks like they can match up with anybody. They may not beat Alabama, but they can match up in the trenches with Alabama. Where Colin was wrong. I have no idea. how the New England Patriot scored 38 points yesterday. I don't like Philip Dorset, and he had a absolutely brilliant catch right there. Cordor L. Patterson, to me, is a non-trustible return guy.

He has a touchdown right there. Josh Gordon was not only two for two, but he also had a hell of a block, which led to a big play. Running back Sony Michelle, who I liked out of college, hasn't done anything. He looked good yesterday. Every guy I don't like, and that I criticized last week, delivered. They were 10 for 15 on 3rd, downs, which is Miami's got a real defense. Miami can play is spectacular. And, you know, I've been saying in the last couple of weeks, I just don't see the playmakers. I don't see the dynamic

athletes. And every one of those guys I don't like was really good yesterday. I was wrong. Where Colin was right? Colin, Sam Darnold, lost. Yeah, I know. And I have predicted, yes, I have predicted every Jets game right this year. Remember, I bet them in week one to win on a Monday night football on the road. And then I predicted they'd lose to Cleveland. And I predicted they'd be ugly and lose to Jacksonville. For the record, they will be one of my blazing five picks this week against Denver. I predicted they would struggle against Jacksonville and Cleveland.

Of course they will. They've got an atrocious offensive line. No elite tight ends are running backs. Marginally talented wide receivers who drop it and are undependable. Listen, he had no turnover. and a passer rating of 74. The Jets problem yesterday was not Sam Darnold. It was their defense, which with extra time was atrocious.

So far on the Jets, yes, I have predicted every game right. I have him beating Denver, then losing three straight, and going on a little bit of a roll after that. Where Colin was wrong. You know, I said LeBron's going to come to L.A. And it's going to be seamless. Because L.A. is a home of stars. People aren't getting to freak out.

Oh my God, there's LeBron. Stop in traffic. I thought, you know, the fans will love it. The media will handle it. L.A. appears confused. The media doesn't even know how to handle him. Should we be respectful? Should we be confrontational?

Remember this last week? This question to LeBron James? Do you're wearing number six? I've worn six in practice for a long time. It's starting to figure out a lot of you guys just not recognizing. I have no idea. I've been doing this for about the last eight years now.

LeBron appears not to like people covering him, and the people covering him appear not to like LeBron James. The vibe is completely weird. Hopefully it gets worked out, but I thought it would be such an easy transition. Kobe fans don't like him. Murals have been

to face. The media's pushing back and confused. It's weird. LeBron's generally very good with the media. And he's been doing this for a very long time. And he has been nothing but like eye-rolling with the LA media now for a month. Where Colin was right? All magic is just illusion, including Ryan Fitzmagic. Folks, come on.

You're buying into this? Ryan Fitzpatrick, he's a backup. Nick Foles is a backup. The difference between star quarterbacks and backups is consistency. That's the difference between the star linebacker and a star corner and a star receiver is consistency. Ryan Fitzpatrick in his fourth game became, you know, what backup quarterbacks can often be. Atrocious. The media and the fans buy into this every year.

There'll be a backup that steps in due to an injury or a suspension. And it's like, oh, my God, that guy is a man. James Winston is a bigger, stronger athlete. There's a reason you drafted James Winston where you drafted him. And for the record, James Winston the last two years, his passer rating went up. His percentages went up. James Winston is the superior player to Ryan Fitzpatrick. Of course he is.

Where Colin was right. Earl Thomas gave Pete Carroll for Pete's sake the number one salute. I never buy into this pro player talk politics, heavy slogan nonsense. By the way, players may say they don't like Belichick. I watched yesterday. They performed for Belichick. The Legion of Doom, Dynasty is unraveled, Earl Thomas, Cliff Averill ripped him on my show, Richard Sherman left bitter, the Seattle Dynasty, you want to know the reason it closed,

because a lot of it was just nonsense and marketing in PR. In the end, the players don't appear to like Pete Carroll, don't buy into Pete Carroll, and just like at USC, after four or five, six years of slogans, you know, tough guy Tuesday and competition Wednesday and loose ball. Thursday, it all unravels. Football's about hard work, head-down details to what Belichick creates, provides, and that's why they're still winning.

Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. My next guest is the only player with five-plus interception for touchdown returns and five plus fumble recovery touchdowns. In the history of the NFL,

you learn something new every day. Fifteen years in the NFL, a multiple-time pro bowler, DeAngelo Hall joining us here on a Monday. So, okay, everybody's puffing up Baker Mayfield. Four turnovers. Is that the refs fault? You can't win a game with four turnovers.

Four? Yeah. Yards, yards. Everybody's throwing for yards. I mean, what did you make a Baker? I liked that he at least took responsibility. You can't turn the ball over that many times in the National Football League and win football games and be successful.

And so, though I don't think it's all Baker's fault, he can't turn the ball over like that. He has to be smarter with the ball. And I think he understands that. That's why he said, look, at the end of the day, is my fault. As a defensive player, though, I can't say anything to Baker if a team puts 45 points up on us, period,

no matter where we got the ball. We work all offseason on getting the ball in bad situations, bad field position, and holding that offense to field goals. And Cleveland didn't do that. And Cleveland's a better team than they showed against Oakland, who I don't think is very good at all.

Oakland's defense is a mess. It's a mess. And so, you know, Baker did what young guys do. made some great plays. He made some not so great plays. You know, he has to work on being better with the ball in the pocket. That's the difference between college and the pro game. In college, it's not a lot of dudes who are going to try to strip that ball trying to get it. They're still learning that. You know, it's funny. DeAngelo, I was thinking about this yesterday on the couch. In college, offensive players are very fast. The backs are fast, the receiver.

In the NFL, defensive players, including defensive ends are fast. So for an off, you know, Generally in college, your best, because you get a kid out of high school, and if he can run, you put him on offense. He's a back. But in the NFL, and what happens is with Baker yesterday, the game gets really, really fast. And a couple times, those guys are on you so quick. And Johnny Mansell thought he could scramble, or he couldn't scramble. And, you know, Baker can run a little bit. They're a little bit faster.

And so I think it's a learning process with Baker. The game's really fast. There's no Texas tech here. And that's where the turnovers come from. Yeah. Yeah. the difference. Those elite players he faced versus Ohio State versus a Alabama, that it was only maybe two or three of those type of guys on that team, that he was like, all right, I got to watch

out for this dude. I got to watch out for that dude. In the NFL, it's all 11 on defense. It is literally all 11 guys on defense can run. Can run their athletic. They're in the NFL for a reason. Whereas when you're in college, a couple of them dudes really are rotating in, rotational type of players and they have no chance at playing on Sundays. And so that's absolutely the big difference between, you know, what Baker's seeing now and what he saw last year. And so, you know, that was my biggest hang up on a guy like Josh Rosen. I think you loved him. Or you liked him a lot. I love his arm. I love Sam's my guy. Rosen throws the best ball, but he's thin and I were, he had a nice throw yesterday. See, but my thing with Josh Rosen, he was so,

overly confident of what he can do and what he's going to do and the regrets of people not taking him. And I'm like, dude, you were a average quarterback in college. Like, ultimately, we want you to win games. And you didn't win games. You're one of the few quarterbacks who we're talking about as being a top one, two, or three pick who had his college coach fire. Normally, when you're a really good, and I'm not out here in L.A., so it might have been some other things. But I'm a Jim Moore fan, so I'm constantly rooting for him. And so, you know, when I found out, well, when kind of it came out that he was going to be fired and now I'm hearing his quarterback because I did a lot of the pre-draft stuff talking about

how great of a player he is and I'm watching some of the game film of him playing. I'm like, yeah, you know, he can make some good throws. But he was so overly confident he almost felt as though he was going to be the only one working. And in the NFL, everybody, everybody's working. And that to me was what brought me wrong about Josh Rosen is that I just like, yes, you can have all the confidence in the world, but one, everyone doesn't need to know. And two, show me something and don't tell me something. That's fair enough. So I believe there's a reason you become a rookie head coach because the last guy failed.

Okay. So if you're taking over a football team, not only didn't you win games, but usually you couldn't get the culture right. Yeah. So it's just like when people buy companies, the reason the company's available often is the culture's not right. So they fire a CEO. They bring in a new CEO. And his job is to change the culture, change morale. Because you're not going to always win initially.

So when I look at Frank Wright, my takeaway is year one, change the culture, become aggressive. Have a relationship with Andrew Luck because six years in the league, he's never had a relationship with his owner, his GM, and his coach. So he goes for it yesterday and I'm like, the Texans were gassed, luck was on fire, and Frank Reich saying, one and three, one, two, and one. Bottom line is, this locker room, we are a go for it team. You didn't like it. No, I didn't like it at all. And I liked the mindset, but that to me wasn't the right time or place to do that. Because as we look at it now, it's 24 seconds on the game clock in overtime.

have one timeout. Even if you catch that ball, you have to use the timeout. So now you use the timeout. Can you rush up down it? Even if you do rush up and down it, then probably we're at 15 seconds. 15 seconds, one time out. 12-yard completion, timeout when the field goal.

You don't buy it? I don't see it. I just don't see it because I know what those defenses are trying to do. And they're going to give you some of the little stuff up front and they're taught to keep it in front of them and keep him in bounds. And so, yes, all right, you save your timeout, you got 15 seconds left if you can get up there and clock it. But to me, a lot of things have to go right for that to happen. That's true. First, you have to complete the catch. You complete the catch, cool,

timeout or not, 15 seconds of timeout or 24 seconds, no timeouts. Regardless, you still have to get another 15, 20 yards before you can before you can kick a field goal that you feel like you you really have a chance to make. To me, it's just so many negatives and so many positives, so many things have to happen to have a positive outcome in that situation, as opposed to just kick the, I mean, if you kick the ball and you punt it,

at the end of the day, you don't want to loss. You're settling for a tie. Like, in a sense, you're settling for a tie, But you're also guaranteeing you don't lose. You don't lose unless they return this punt for a touchdown. Okay, here's Frank Reich after the game. Let's listen to his quote. Yeah, I would just address it now.

I mean, we're not playing a tie. I mean, we're going for that 10 times out of 10. I mean, that's just the way it's got to roll. We're going to be aggressive. That's what we want in our players. That's a mindset that we have in our players. That's the only way to win in this league, I think. Man, I love that guy.

You go ahead. You take the passive. coach. That's fine. Well, you know what? He's going to at some point have a loss on his record that somebody's going to be questioning and he's going to be like, man, I wish a tie looks a lot better than a loss. And to me, that's what I'm thinking about. I'm not thinking about the tie or even the win at this point. I don't want to lose. Point blank period. I just don't want to lose. Four hours in you don't want to lose. All right. So Aaron Rogers yesterday wasn't very good. And it kind of felt like to me called out as coach. He said, you know, they make the game plan. I pick the

plays I like. Didn't have to go there, but, you know, he was honest about it, so that's okay. Listen, man, I've watched 11 years of people fawning over Aaron Rogers. I got one Super Bowl run. I don't need him to be in the Super Bowl over here. That's not what I'm saying. But he's not really good right now. He's going to be 35 in December. He's hurt again. I think at times he's condescending. I mean, I don't know. What's wrong with Green Bay when you watch him? What is it? Devonte Adams, to me, he's a baller. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, What happened in this game, he just didn't quite look like himself. I mean, Aaron made some plays that are uncharacteristic for him, that you, that you,

that we aren't used to seeing Aaron throw a ball, you know, throw a hitch route like that to a corner who's coming about to break on it. Should be a pick six. And so, I mean, I think Aaron, Aaron's done so much in this league that for him to stand up there and say, hey, look, guys, I need to play better. I didn't do this right. Whoop-de-woop-do-do-woo. To me, and I don't know. No, because Aaron is the kind of guy who, when I've had conversations with, will take responsibility for things.

We'll say, hey, I didn't do this right. I've known Aaron since college. He whipped up on us pretty bad in a bowl game at Kyle. And we've kind of become, you know, well, we've been friends since then. Is he happy in Green Bay? Honestly, is he happy with McCarthy? You think he's happy? Be honest about this.

I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I don't think he's, I think he says the right stuff. but I think in the end he's disappointed. They don't spend on Khalil Mack. They've never gotten a running game. They don't keep off it.

You nailed it. I don't think deep down, you don't keep taking these little passive-aggressive shots if you're happy in a relationship. If you're taking shots at your wife as a guy, you know, she's pretty good, I guess. She's a pretty good parent. Take those shots when you're not happy.

Yeah, but see, I don't know where he goes from here, though. No, he doesn't go anywhere. doesn't go anywhere, obviously with the new deal, but even prior to that, I don't, I don't know if it was anywhere to go. And so, I mean, you kind of make those little comments and you hope it either gets better or, you know, he has his contract, so either that guy's going to go. No, Aaron's not going to. No, Aaron's not getting fired. Yeah. All right, DeAngelo Hall, great having you. What are the wise guys where? I get asked that from time to time. The answer is the new gear from theherdnow.com merchandise store. We are now officially open for

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