The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 10/11/2019

Episode Date: October 11, 2019

Colin says the Patriots offense was impressive on Thursday night considering the weather conditions and the cast of undrafted receivers Tom Brady was throwing to. He thinks the gap between Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson is not as big as everyone thinks and has the numbers to prove it. Plus, FOX College Football Analyst Brady Quinn joins Colin live from the Red River Showdown to talk about Texas vs Oklahoma and why Notre Dame might struggle with USC on Saturday. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go on a loaded Friday. Live in Los Angeles, this is the herd, wherever you may be. However, you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. One hour from now, our Blazing Five, which, Joy, this is your second football season with me? Yes.

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So it's interesting. I want to start with this. When you're as good as a guy like LeBron James or Tom Brady is you become a victim of your own stand. So LeBron James, and I started noticing this five or six years ago, he'd go 27, 7 and 7, 27 points, 7 rebounds, seven assists, and people would be like, I don't think he played great. And I'm like, time out. Only six NBA players ever, ever have averaged 27 points for their career. Kobe Bryant's career average is 25, 5, and 5.

LeBron would get 27, 7, and 7, and people would be like, eh, he doesn't play as well defensively. 95% of the people who have ever played in the NBA, maybe 98%, will never have one 27, 7 and 7. Once. LeBron gets, ah. So Tom Brady last night, in 25 to 30-mile-an-hour wins, using the same three players in the second.

have to throw to. They ran out of players. Goes 31 of 41, over seven yards of play, 39 minutes time of possession, runs for two touchdowns, did not have Philip Dorset, and his most talented receiver, Josh Gordon got hurt in the middle of the game. And this morning it's, I, it was, you kidding me? Devante Adams gets hurt, and all I hear is, oh, Aaron Rogers won't have.

Have you seen Green Bay's other receivers? They look like an NBA team. They're all six-six. Well, you know, Dak, Amari Cooper's heels not right. What? The other guys can't catch? Randall Cobb, Michael Gallup. Patrick Mahomes didn't have Tyree Kill. Travis Kelsey is the best tied in in football.

Andy Reed's the best play designer in football. People say, what is wrong with Tom, Brady, and New England's offense? I don't know. Jacoby Myers, an undrafted rookie was playing. Gunner Ols. Zuski, a rookie from Bomiiji State was playing. Ryan Izzo, a seventh round pick, last draft was playing. What was wrong with their offense?

They had two guys with Z's in their name catching passes. That's what was wrong with their offense. Gunner O'Suski, what is he, Moonlight as a fighter pilot? He was actually cut by New England. They're like, you're not good enough to make the team, even with all our injuries. and they called him back. Of course, he was late getting back because he was doing a midnight shift at Sharkies as a bartender.

You got to be kidding me. What's wrong with the offense? Nothing. Nothing's wrong with the offense. Tom Brady went 31 of 41 and 25 mile an hour wins, ran out of players. Brady is so frustrated with the lack of cohesionate wide receiver after the game they asked him.

Look at his reaction. Tom is a politician. Even he can't hide his frustration. What's your assessment of where you guys are as an offense right now? Do you think it's been good enough? We'll see. Even he can't hide it. You know, here's the great thing about LeBron James and Tom Brady.

And for this moment, let's stick with Brady. The who has never mattered. He's got touchdowns of 75 different people. It's never about the who. It's about the where. When the ball is snapped, where will you be as a receiver? three seconds after the snap. It's about what?

What is your job? Do your job. Tom Brady's the only quarterback in NFL history that the who doesn't matter. Philip Dorset's out, I want to use some guy named Gunner and another guy named Izzo and another guy that sounds like a member of a law firm,

Jacobian Myers. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that they use James White, sometimes he's available, sometimes he's not. And then there's Sony Michelle played well last night, not as well early, and it's the precision. You know, in a league where all these young quarterbacks are coming in, these athletes, and they're all between like 5, 10 and 6.2, he's 6'5, sees the field,

very precise, rarely misses an open receiver. But he's the only quarterback of my life. The Who doesn't matter. LeBron James, went to an NBA finals. The Who was Matthew? Delavadova. It never mattered. Now, winning a championship for Brady, the who becomes more important, who's the opponent, who is on that defense, who's the opposing quarterback and coach. But in terms of what's in his building, the what and the where matter, not the who. And last night was classic Brady.

If you were dropped out of a spaceship and had never seen the NFL for 20 years, and you didn't have these preconceived notions and the standard of Brady. And you'd have watched that, you'd have thought, God, there's 25 to 30 mile an hour wins. He's playing with backups and undrafted guys and seventh round guys. And he goes 31 for 41? Well, that's pretty good. Pretty good. It was great.

It was great. I want you to think about this for a second. That this happens all the time. I'll give you an example in movies. Because this weekend, Patrick Mahomes host Deshawn Watson, and they're both great. I just think, one, Deshawn Watson deserves more credit. So years and years ago in the mid-70s, Godfather 2 won the Oscar. It's a legendary Francis Ford Coppola, Godfather 2.

But that same year, Chinatown came out. Chinatown's the movie for years and years, if you wanted to be in Hollywood, it wanted to be a director and you were a college student, you would break down Chinatown, Jack Nicholson's greatest movie. But it came out the same year as Godfather 2. Chinatown's many of film, cinema buffs and experts call it a top 15, 20 movie of all time. but Godfather 2, after Godfather 1 got all the acclamation, nobody paid attention to it, right? We forget about Chinatown.

It's one of the greatest movies ever made. I prefer it to Godfather, Godfather 2. Similar thing with Forrest Gump. Forrest Gump wins the Oscar, and you forget that year, Pulp Fiction, which I prefer over Forrest Gump, and Shawshank Redemption, which I prefer over Forrest Gump. But sometimes films have a star in it. Francis Ford Coppola is the director, Tom. Hanks is in the movie, and that something that same year or that same time,

It just gets overlooked. Do you realize in their last 16 games, Deshaun Watson's 12 and 4, and Patrick Mahomes is 11 and 5? You do get that. And Patrick's got the better quarterback, and Patrick's got the better offensive line. You do get that, right? The last calendar year, Deshawn's one more, been more accurate.

and has been sacked three times as many times, is that we forget how good this kid is. Deshawn Watson is absolutely unbelievable. Also, Patrick Mahomes has the better coach, the better offensive line, the more organizational structure, and actually he plays for a team that has a GM. Actually, Deshaun Watson was Mahomes before Mahomes.

You forget about this. Because Forrest Gump had Tom Hanks and Godfather 2, Francis Ford Coppola. You forget about Chinatown. You forget how great Pulp Fiction, the better movie is. Think about this. Deshawn Watson, his rookie year. This was with an atrocious offensive line.

He faced Seattle. Maybe you've heard of Pete Carroll. 400 yards, 4 TDs, and 107 pass-er rating. Unlike Mahomes, he didn't get a sit. He had to play. He also had a five-touchdown game that year as a rookie with that bad offensive line against Kansas City. Oh, by the way, he didn't get a sit and watch behind Alex Smith.

He also faced Belichick in Foxborough. You know Belichick who humiliates all rookie quarterbacks? He had 300 yards against Bill Belichick. You saw Daniel Jones last night against Belichick. It's rough. So then he got hurt. And then Deshaun Watson got hurt. Of course he did because he was running for his you know what life.

And then we forgot about him. And then Patrick Mahomes plays the last game. He replaces. He's got Andy. he read with him, he replaces Alex Smith, and Kansas City's got all these crazy weapons, and he's got protection, and Patrick Mahomes is unbelievable. But just remember this. As a rookie, Deshawn Watson, again, bad old line, front office strife, did not have much

of a running game as a rookie. Last five games is a rookie. Houston average 39 points a game. I'm not joking. 18 touchdowns, 130-passer rating. And four of those five were against winning teams. So when they meet this weekend, you're going to be watching Mahomes and the pre-Mahomes. One, he's had to overcome far more.

No GM, doesn't have the coach, doesn't have the offensive line just recently in the last two to three weeks. When Bill O'Brien had the guts to make a really smart move, in my opinion, nobody else liked it, but he found a left tackle. They went and drafted offensive linemen. In the last two to three weeks, Watson's actually had some legitimate protection. They went out and acquired Duke Johnson. They have a really talented running back. Now both of them have the same amount of weapons.

Now Deshawn Watson's got a great receiver and a good two Will Fuller and Kenny Stills and a running game and a left side. So now, now let's start comparing Watson and Deshawn, Watson, and Patrick Mahomes. Because now it's much more fair. Both have reasonable offensive line. Both have great perimeter weapons. Both have decent running backs. And Bill O'Brien's not a bad coach.

I'm not saying that. But when you watch them this weekend, I don't think the gap's what you think the gap is. I think Mahomes is better than Watson. I think it's real close. And I can't wait to watch them play. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific

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Anybody out there have a dad growing up with a temper? Any of you? And you would start to anticipate his temper. Oh, wait. Whoa, whoa. How's, uh-oh. What's dad going to do with that? Oh, boy.

Don't, don't, don't do that. Dad's going to freak out. Don't do that. I remember years ago I had to do an interview at a network, not this one. and it was a big star, and I was told, avoid these questions, he can freak out, he can freak out. He ended up being a completely charming interview. But everybody was anticipating the drama.

Because when you're an overly dramatic person, everybody's walking on eggshells, anticipating Dad's going to blow up, or the movie star is going to freak out. That's why try not to be dramatic. and, you know, everybody's walking on eggshells. So this past week, Odell Beckham had last two games, four catches for 47 yards. And Odell Beckham has said nothing about it.

He has not complained. He has been professional. There's not a single time OBJ has, I want the ball! But yet Freddie Kitchens this week, as everybody's anticipating it will become a problem for the very dramatic OBJ had to answer questions. You know, I think we threw the ball 24 times the other night and he got targeted six times. So, you know, I don't know what the magic number is. I don't know what you guys are looking for.

It's frustrating when he's not getting the ball and we're losing it. You can't blame him. That's one of the best receivers in the league. And if he's not getting the ball, he always has that in the back of his mind. What if I did get the ball and change this game? OBJs never complained about this. By the way, wide receivers get doubled. They get game planned out.

And OBJ, you can't throw the ball to him when the quarterback's on his butt. Did you watch Monday Night Football? So Mike Evans had no catches last week. Week one, he had two catches. Mike Evans, I would argue, is better than OBJ. This has never been. We've not even asked a question about that. DeAndre Hopkins, probably the most talented receiver in the NFL,

his yards have gone through the floor. His yards are down, his catches are down. Everything's down. Nobody's ever asked questions with the coach about that. Because Mike Evans and DeAndre Hopkins have never been dramatic. So everybody knows in the NFL, bad offensive line, quarterback running for his life, your numbers are down. The coverage can be rolled over on you. You know, Belichick will just put a linebacker in front of you, a safety behind.

You'll just take you out of the game. Tony Gonzalez talks about it. He goes, had the worst games as a Patriot. They just decided we're taking Tony out. But the reason you have to ask these questions, because we've seen this guy proposed to a kicking net, pee in the end zone, get highly dramatic, be bummed out. So we're anticipating, Dad's got a temper. Don't play ball in the house. Then dad walks into the house and he's like, oh, God, I don't care.

But you do anticipate drama and temper and crazy from those who have exhibited it. receivers had bad weeks and bad slumps all the time. Mike Evans didn't have a catch last week. Not a catch. These guys, like 6-7, you can't card him. DeAndre Hopkins. I mean, but with OBJ, you get stuck asking questions because we're anticipating, oh, boy, this is not going to go well.

And by the way, here's what OBJ said. He wasn't, he's a total team guy. Hopefully he's matured, but it's not bothering him. I hate losing period, so anytime we lose and I don't feel like I did anything to help win the game, I'm going to be frustrated. I feel like I was brought here to help this team win, and that's all I want to do. So if it has to be handoffs, it's whatever, just finding ways to have successful plays, not just get me the ball to appease me or anything like that. It's more about having success within the game and within the team. guy, team answer. Total team answer. But we're anticipating dad's going to freak out, wide receiver's

going to sulk. That's why drama, just keep it to a minimum. Because you don't understand it when you're dramatic, but you make everybody else in the family walk on eggshells. Oh boy, get this done. Here comes dad. Oh boy. Here comes coach. He's going to scream. OBJ. No problem whatsoever. Total team answer. But we're all kind of waiting for him to blow up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Carolina had lost eight straight games that Cam started, and now they have Kyle Allen, and they can't lose. This week, I actually think they will over in London to Tampa Bay.

But Kyle Allen, is he better than Cam Newton? Well, no, no, he's not as talented as Cam Newton. DeAngelo Williams this week said, basically, listen to the system. We ask Cam to do a lot more than we ask Kyle Allen to do. Kyle is much more than Mike Conley, the distributor, get the ball to the right people, whereas Cam is more of the star. But I will tell you this, and I've seen this most of my life, employers move off employees privately way before they move off them publicly.

And I think Carolina privately, half that building is ready to move off Cam. first of all, he's got an injury that is debilitating and it's very possible he won't play this year, meaning he'd only have one year left on his contract, meaning it's not a huge salary, it's not a massive cap hit. Cam has been increasingly hurt, distracted, and the team has so many good players like McCaffrey, once again a top eight defense under Ron Rivera. They're not really beholden to Cam Newton. They're winning without him. You know, years ago, the Kansas City Chiefs moved off Alex Smith well over a year before they officially moved off Alex Smith.

Alex Smith got into a playoff game at home. The Chiefs did not surrender a touchdown, and they lost. And it was that day they decided Kansas City were moving off Alex Smith. So they drafted Mahomes. They weren't going to kick him out of the building. But they had made a decision that day. We're at home. We didn't give up a touchdown.

We had a game that gave Alex Smith 20 completions, and he had under 175 yards. They moved off Alex Smith. They went and drafted Mahomes, kept Mahomes under Alex, a good guy and a great smart mentor for a year. But they made the decision to move off him. The New York Giants made a decision to move off Eli Manning a year ago when they started one in seven last year. In that building, they had made a decision. We're going to draft a quarterback.

It was just a matter of what quarterback we're drafting. So I think privately in the building, half the people or more have moved off cam that they're not beholden to them. They could bring in a rookie quarterback, hand the ball to McCaffrey, top 10 defense. Kyle Allen didn't play college football. And I think there's people in that building saying, listen, what's the point? he's hurt he's got other options in life i mean he's got plenty of money so i organizations decide long before they tell you or tell the media or tell the public we're done kansas city moved off a year and a half before they let him go and the giants moved off eli when they were one and seven

to start last year that they in the building they were done it was over now it was just a matter of tell your scouts look at the quarterbacks which one are we getting and develop them one more herd The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Rich Ormberger played with the Patriots, drafted by the Patriots, been on the offensive line for years, knows the team, watch the game last night. Second time of the show, host the loose cannons and radio. All right, let's start with this. When you watch the offensive line, it is not makeshift, but there are players moving into positions.

Does it worry you? Do you see Tom having to move more? because it feels like to me he's moving around more in the pocket. Absolutely. And it's a big concern. And I know it's a concern for them because the game plan against Tom Brady every single week, every single team tries to do it, get him off his spot. If he's moving his feet in the pocket, if he's uncomfortable,

if he's feeling the pressure, if he doesn't have room to step up into the depth of the pocket, that's when you got 12's number. So you have to get him off his spot. You have to take him out of his rhythm. Otherwise, he's going to be surgical on you. And so that's what you get to see when you're seeing a little bit of that. A little bit of that. There's shades of him being uncomfortable in the pocket.

And also, he's running out of favorite receivers to throw to. I mean, they're getting a little anemic on the receiver room side. So they need to sign someone. They need to get someone in there. They need sort of an infusion of life somewhere. Or somebody's got to step up in a major way or they need to get healthy. It's a race to the bye week right now. By the way, Tom set some passing record last night.

into records. Does he care about them? Did you ever talk to him about them? He doesn't care about records. You know, I remember one time we had a practice that was pushed back. So we were supposed to be outside. You know, Nor'easter blew in, whatever it was. We got torrential downpours. We're playing a dome team on the road. So they pushed back practice while the equipment guys are just loading up our indoor facility. And I had an opportunity to sit down with them for a while. We didn't have a lot to say. I think we're watching the prices right on the television screen in the lunchroom. And so I just leaned over. I was like, how are you still doing this?

By the time I got there, he was doing this a decade. He had won three Super Bowls. I was like, what motivates you? And he goes, I just love this game. He's like, I loved it from when I was a kid. I still love it the same way I did back then. I just love it. I don't think he cares about his individual accomplishments.

I think he just cares about being great at the game he loves. Right. Do you buy into the Patriots defense? So much. I mean, we all know Tom is working 25-mile-an-hour wind. Edelman's the only guy left in the second half. Do you buy the defense? I do. I'll tell you why. It's the greatest game plan defense in the NFL right now. You know what they did last night? They didn't say, oh, we're going to just win with a rush. Yeah, we're going to win because our backers can run with their backs or tight ends or whatever. No, no, no. It was we're going to play tight-man coverage on the outside. We're going to stack the box. We're going against their third string running back. we're not going to allow you to run. So Daniel Jones, can you beat our tight man coverage? And the answer was no. No, couldn't. They forced turnovers. And you saw him uncomfortable. The rush was getting home and some of those sacks were coverage sacks. You know, some of those mistakes were due to the fact that he had nowhere to go. That was decent. And he actually is a good, tight window thrower. You saw it sometimes.

Yeah. Step into the face of a blitz and he'd deliver an accurate dart right on a slant. But Daniel Jones can't do that consistently, not in high wind, not in five. Oxford, not against the Patriots, not knowing that it's Tom Brady and that offense looming. So they had a great game plan on defense, and that's what they do. It was a team win. You know, I talked about this. Gronk retired at 30. Now, by the time you retired, you had had enough injuries. An offensive line is a beat down on a good year. Yeah. But Gronk became at the end of last year. A lot of vertical. They didn't ask a ton of him.

Don't think he practiced as much. And he retired at 30. Right. Watch him last night. He's still a kid. He's only 30, Rich. He's a young 30. He's like 30 going on 23. I could see the itch. Couldn't just see. By the way, we live in a new world. It's not as machismo.

You can parachute in now. Players don't resent you. Right. Okay, this is like health and wellness. Rich is healthy helps us win. I think in the 70s, 80s there may have been, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We had the boots on. We had the work boots on.

I think he could parachute in. I think so, too. You know what I'm doing if I'm New England? If I'm, whoever his favorite guy is in the room, it could be Brady. It could be that personal, you know, on that level, or it could just be a coach, McDaniels. Whoever has that relationship. Granc, we're all set a tight end. We're not going to ask you to get on the edge of the line and seal off in the run game.

We're going to want you on the outside. We want you to get your receiver shoes on. You're going to come back. We don't care about the weight loss. Like everybody says, he's lost all this weight. He would be the biggest receiver in the NFL if he came back and played the slot and played outside. who is going to one up, Gronk, nobody. It doesn't matter if he's slower than most people's down the field threat.

You're going to have to roll coverage his way because of his height and his strength and his 50-50 ball matchup issues. You're going to have to double him. You're going to have to funnel him. You're going to have to find ways to make your coverage match his capabilities in the past game. I'd court him as a receiver. I wouldn't court him as a tight end any longer. You're not blocking anyone, Gronk. you're going to be downfield 40 times a game, and most of the time we'll be using you as a decoy.

I think you can sell that to him. Again, I'll say it again, he's a young 30. Some guys are mature, like Larry Fitzgerald, if I said, he's governor of Arizona. You'd be like, he was a grown-up when he was 12. Right, yeah. You've been in locker rooms. Some guys are grown up. Some guys are kid.

I played with Larry. That's a great example. Larry was one. I mean, he was an orchestra of a symphony for a guest spot one night while I was there. It's like, what is going on? I was like, what do you even wear to that? He's like, well, I had the coat tails. I was like, of course you did, Larry.

Of course you have that in the wardrobe. Who else does? You're right. There are some guys who just seem wise beyond their years who seem like they've never were wet behind the years. But Grunkowski, I mean, that's a dude, right? He could be on a surfboard at 48 years old here. Exactly.

Finally, you had, well, not finally, but Freddie Kitchens was a coach with you at Arizona. Yep. So I think, Freddie, to some, degree is learning, not football, but he's learning kind of how to manage a team on the job, right? Of course he is, right? He admitted that. Yeah, I mean, he's not learning football, but how do I manage this?

And you take phone calls as a coach, you don't take as a coordinator. I do think they bounce back. I do think there are times he's over his skis a little. I think it's hard to find an identity. I think they bounce back this week. Tell me about Freddie, what do you know? What do you like? What concerns you?

Because Cleveland's got, I mean, at two and three, Rich, if they don't beat Seattle or two and four with the Patriots, Denver, and Buffalo coming up. This is his, could be the biggest game in Freddie Kitchens' career this week. Teeth of the schedule, no doubt about it. You know, it's not so much what concerns me about Freddie Kitchens. It's what concerns me about all rookie head coaches. I sat down with Rocky Long, San Diego's stay head coach this past week. And I asked him, when you became a head coach, and this is 19 years ago,

I said, was it what you expected it to be? He goes, absolutely not. He goes, there's so much less coaching that you actually do when you're the head coach. Even if you're in charge of a side of the ball, like Rocky Long is, like Fred Kitchens used to be, he's sort of, you know, given some of that to his OC now. But there are so many other aspects to this job that really complicate actually being on the field in coaching and doing what he was great at when I knew him in Arizona, like everybody has respect for him in the NFL. You have to be a great delegator as a head coach. You have to, like a director on a

movie set, set the tone of this film. And that is very difficult to learn on the run. So there are going to be bumps in the road. Like a rookie quarterback, it'll be the same for a rookie head coach. Minute left, Rich Orrenberger joining us, former NFL offensive lineman drafted by the Patriots. Penn State are now part of the loose cannons sports radio, also Sunday's Fox Sports Radio. About a minute left, Gurley, Joy and I are not getting straight answers. We didn't get them last year. When you're hiding something, you're sensitive about something. gas on what's going on? I don't think that knee is right. I think the offseason surgery, I think they thought it was going to fix what ailed him. I don't know this for sure. I'm speculating

here, but we all are. When you see him come downhill on one side, there's one plant foot and gone, north and south. There's a side he favors where he's taking multiple steps to slow down. And that wasn't Todd Gurley's game when he burst onto the scene. I think he's. I think he's He's still protecting one side, and I think it has to do with the injury from last season. Hey, it's great seeing you. You're always welcome. Just love having you on the show. Do you have to drive up here this morning? Yeah, I did. Okay. You have to drive back today?

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this week. I think Brian Kelly is in the class of Sabin and Davos-Sweeney. I think there's academic standards at Notre Dame. It's a private school. It's a cold-weather climate. I think Brian Kelly's absolutely fantastic. And as you know, Brady, he's a guy that has moved up the ladder everywhere he's gone. He's never rushed it. He goes to a place. He creates a culture. He wins. And there's going to be six or seven NFL jobs. And I don't know if he can do more than he's done to rebuild Notre Dame. Am I just out of my mind to say this, that he has done the best job you can do at Notre Dame and that maybe he explores the next level of coaching? Because I think he can handle it. What say you? Well, I definitely think he's explored it in the past. I mean, I think it's hard to

not as a head coach want to look potentially at moving up to that level and seeing if you can have some success there. Obviously, he's had a ton of success at the college tomorrow level. If you ask Kim, he'd like to win a national championship before he moves on to do that. But I think with his coaching style and really how he's transitioned the last few years, bringing in Mike Elko and obviously Chip along his offense coordinator. When Mike Elko left, Clark Lee was elevated. Really his management style of his staff and of the team is what's impressed me most. And I think now affords him the chance that if he was to go up to the NFL level,

I think he runs Notre Dame like an NFL team now. So I think a lot of those kids in their transition don't have an issue. And I don't think he would have an issue, too, dealing with some of the differences that I think a lot of coaches deal with when they go from the college level to the NFL level. Yeah, I think that's a very, very good point. So I think they'll beat USC. I think their programs are going in the opposite direction. Working in Los Angeles, and you played in Miami, you played in big cities, you played in New York. The USC job, Brady, is a little different.

It reminds me of the Miami Hurricanes. It's college, mostly, but it's got a little NFL field to it. Do you need a big name if USC hires a new coach? Or do you go with somebody that's a little bit of a lower name? What kind of coach would work in your opinion at USC? I think one that would embody what comes with being a head coach at USC. So you have to embrace the LA atmosphere and the environment there like Pete Carroll did. It was one of the reasons why they were so successful.

So whoever that next head coach is, he's going to have to look at that as an advantage, not only for recruiting, but also to keep things fun and keep things enthusiastic throughout the course of the program there. But again, we're making the case that Clay Helps is going to be gone. Look, if they were to upset Notre Dame this week, and let's just say they happen to go on, win the Pack 12 and maybe even luck out and win a Rose Bowl, I mean, it'd be hard to fire a coach who'd be in that position. I know we want to kind of write Clay Hilton off, but he also has done a solid job. I think given what he's been dealt.

No one first saw their season working out the way it has this year where they've been playing with their third string quarterback and error rate system where you know you're going to put the ball on his hands to throw the football over the field. So this is going to be a rivalry game. That's going to be a tough one. I think tougher than a lot of people think. You may say Notre Dame is going to roll them.

I think the win, I don't think it's going to be as easy as a lot of the prognosticators think. Now, shifting to Texas, Oklahoma, I think Texas, a very physical team, will push back. This has been a crazy rivalry where the underdog often plays way over their skis. I think Texas gives Oklahoma Oklahoma, Oklahoma has not played much of a schedule yet. Is that a disadvantage for Oklahoma? It's been pretty easy sailing so far. Yeah, I think it's a disadvantage in the sense that, you know, Jalen Hertz and his first year in a new system, and granted, you know, Kyle Murray was in the system for a number of years. So he understood exactly how it was to be executed watching Baker Mayfield

once he came in last year to replace him. But Jalen Hertz, he hasn't had as much time. So now they're going to be tested. It looks statistically speaking. Texas has been terrible in their secondary, but they've been banged up and they will get healthier this week for this matchup. The difference is going to be their defensive coordinator of Todd Orlando. He's going to challenge this offense for Oklahoma with the different blitz schemes that he brings

and what he does throughout the course of the game to try to not allow Jalen Hertz outside the pocket, making those big plays with his legs, and also try to get pressure on him to stymie somewhat of this passing attack, too. So that's going to be the challenge. I think it's going to be the schematic one that Todd Orlando brings to really challenge Jalen Hertz, unlike anything he's seen yet this season at Oklahoma. Granted, he's seen a lot playing in the SEC, but this is going to be a new challenge for him. Brady, I'm going to ask you, because you also played a lot of years in the NFL, I'm going to ask you to put your personnel hat on. We've got some terrific quarterbacks,

Justin Herbert at Oregon from Georgia to Trevor Lawrence at Clemson. We got the kid at Utah State Burrow, who is a backup at Ohio State, goes to LSU. Joe Burrell has been fantastic. And then, you know, Jalen Hertz, when you look at all these guys out there, is there, you know, Tua's funny. I see a little Russell Wilson. I'm a little worried about the injury. I like, I got to tell you, the Justin Herbert kid is big, can move and can sling it.

There's Jacob Easton at Washington, who's got a huge arm, but not. quite as mobile. If there were one or two that I said, you know, you're a GM, you'd really be interested. Who kind of pops for you? But Jordan loved, the quarterback of Utah State you talked about. He had a bad showing versus LSU, but, you know, by and large, he's going to be a guy that I think flies under the radar. And we're going to start talking about at the beginning of 2020 as we get ready to head into the combine. If you're going to start looking at this young man, comparable to almost Marcus Mariotta, as far as his skill set, I think he's a little bit more of a polished pass. though at this point of Utah State.

He's a guy to keep your eye on. And I think you've got to love what Joe Burroughs done in particular because Joe Brady comes from the New Orleans Saints. He's now their passing game coordinator at LSU. And so a lot of what you see LSU doing is exactly what Joe Burroughs going to be asked to do once he gets to the NFL level. So I think his accuracy, his athleticism that also displays itself too and is needed at the NFL game at this point.

All those things are going to be on display. So he's another guy to keep your eye on because I think there's a lot of a lot of people are going to love the fact that he's a coach's kid, very competitive, and he's been able to continue to improve with the more reps that he's got and then running basically an NFL system at the college football level. So those two outside of Justin Herber and Tuatown-a were obviously going to be in a conversation, too. Yeah, I've been watching LSU football for a lot of years. It's always been a power running school.

And now they added the offensive passing element that watch out for LSU. They may be as good as anybody in the country. And finally, you have a radio show. Fox Sports Radio with Jonas Knox. You talked to Dak Prescott this week, and I'm interested. I did not hear it, have not heard it yet. A couple

of bumpy weeks. There's the contract talk. Quarterback for Dallas is like quarterback for Notre Dame. It comes with a very unique pressure. What did Dak have to say? I basically asked him, I said, have you been thinking about it

a week-to-week basis? You know, with the contract negotiations, with Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and your agent. He said, look, I love my agent handle all of that. You know, I think we've got an idea of where we'd like to get to. But until that point in time comes, I'm just focused on football. So he's putting the blinders on and moving forward. And I think, look, as a player, a former player, it's a wise approach,

but it's easier said than done. Because, you know, we all know after the season, he's going to have the ability to be franchise tag, which actually works in his strength or works to his strength because now that's the floor of his negotiation. Whereas if he accepts something now, it may be a little bit less of what he can get in the future. But is he willing to wait?

Is he willing to continue to play out this season, depending on how he looks, and to see what's there on the other side? So it's not an easy situation for him to be in, but I think he's handled it about as well as you can't, given the circumstances. All right. By the way, the Sam Ellen,

the quarterback for Texas, you're going to see this weekend. He's got a little bit of, there's a little T-Boh. I think he's a better thrower than T-Len. But he's got a little Tebow with him. He's not, you know, your classic 6-4 guy. He's really a gamer.

He's really, I really like watching him play. Does he remind you of anybody? Is he an NFL quarterback? Well, he reminds me of Tebow for watching him. And in covering the past couple of years, I think the difference is his growth and progression as a passer in particular downfield and throwing to the outside. Those are two areas where you've really seen him improve as far as his accuracy and an overall all just understanding what the defenses are trying to do and where their weaknesses are.

As far as if he's a quarterback at the next level, the biggest challenge for him is to be sometimes he relies on his running ability, especially towards the end of games and clutch moments, to make a play. You and I both know, you've got to play from the pocket at the NFL level. So he's going to have to be more disciplined and staying in there and trying to make an accurate pass or looking to anticipate something that he does a better job of this year, but still not up to the standard of the NFL level. Yeah, I love watching him play, though.

He is a complete gamer. Great gamer. Yeah, great gamer. Well, Brady, you just do great work. Fox Sports College Football analyst. Thank you so much for stopping by on a Friday, bud. Thanks for having me guys. Enjoy the weekend. Enjoy the games. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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