The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 10/16/2019

Episode Date: October 16, 2019

Colin is convinced that Jerry Jones wants Lincoln Riley to be the new head coach of the Cowboys in 2020 and explains why. He says the motivation for the Rams to trade for Jalen Ramsey was to remain relevant in Los Angeles. He says there are only 8 teams in the NFL that can win the Super Bowl. Plus, FOX College Football Analyst Joel Klatt comes in studio to argue with Colin for 15 minutes about everything college football and NFL. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go on a packed Wednesday. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1. I'm going to start with the Cowboys, then go to the Rams. Here is Joy Taylor joining me. Joy, how are you?

I'm great. Good morning. Good morning. It was going to be kind of a, you know, Wednesdays are the day that's kind of the middle of the week for the NFL. Yeah, it's kind of the slowest day of the week during the NFL season. Monday's Tuesdays. We're talking about Monday night football in the games.

And Thursday, Friday, got Thursday night football in the games coming up in college football. And Wednesday's kind of slow. But no, it's not. So a big trade. But let's start with the Dallas Cowboys. So listen, Jerry Jones, Jason Garrett, it's heating up. It's a lot of talk now. Jason Garrett doesn't have a contract.

And unlike the story that Jerry has offered DAC a new deal, just haven't agreed on it. He is not offered Jason Garrett a deal. So in Dallas, they're pouncing on it. If they lose Sunday, they're now, you know, a football team that looks like on the out looking in. They have some of the best young talent. So Jerry Jones goes on radio yesterday to make a point of supporting Jason Garrett, his coach, who's now on the hot seat at least from the media and fans' perspective.

I have felt that we've got a lot invested in Jason Garrett. He's evolved into what I think is a top coach. He would be a very sought-up coach if he were out here in the open market. He's aware that we're on the last year of his agreement, but that really just means that we can all sit down and take a look at things at the end of the year. Okay. Would he be sought after? So let's just start with that.

He actually would be. The NFL's got six or seven openings every year. And let's be honest, the best available coach on the market that's actually, actually won divisions is Mike McCarthy, and Green Bay may be better without him. Then you've got four college coaches whose names are out there, Brian Kelly at Notre Dame, Lincoln Riley, Oklahoma, Matt Rule at Baylor, Matt Campbell at Iowa State. Then you got a couple of young coaches, Eric B. Enemy, Kansas City, Chris Richard, Dallas, who have never been given an opportunity, they will get one.

Then two guys like Todd Bowles and Mike Patton, who have been head coaches failed, but people think they probably deserve a second chance. Jason Garrett fits very nicely into that. There's not a lot of guarantees. I mean, after Mike McCarthy, who could you say, yeah, he's won divisions in the NFL? Nobody out there. I mean, Rex Ryan, you want to go down that nonsense again? Mr. Guaranteed Super Bowl guy.

So Jason Garrett would have offers, and there's about six, seven job openings. We already know Washington's going to look for a coach. Keep your eye on Cleveland. Jacksonville. You know, teams going a five-game losing streak. Minnesota, Mike Zimmer could be in trouble, and he's a great coach. So I do think on the open market, how many guys can say, oh, he has one division multiple times? Oh, who is his quarterback?

Dak Prescott, that's going to get a job. But I think Jerry already knows who his next coach is. I'm not sure he's ready to hire him, but I know who Jerry's next coach is when he decides to hire him. Maybe this year, it may be two years down the road. It's Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. And there's two reasons why I think Lincoln Riley is going to accept it when Jerry offers. Now, I'm not saying he's going to offer it now. there's two things happening to think about.

Lincoln Riley, first of all, is brilliant. He makes every quarterback work. So just think about these two or three things. Number one, he made Baker Mayfield into a star. Jalen Hertz was benched in Alabama. He's a star. Kyler Murray was a baseball guy over a football guy, made him into a star. Dak Prescott.

That'd be a pretty good fit, now, wouldn't it? A quarterback who needs another level. Secondly, there's a major burnout factor happening in college football for coaches. It used to be that, was a National Letter of Intent Day on February 5th. Now there's two signing dates, meaning college football recruiting is a non-stop job. It used to be you had time off. There were times you didn't recruit.

There were big gaps in it. And the feeling was college football lives as a coach was better than the NFL life. It was less of a grind. You lived in a small town. You controlled the roster. The media was small market. They weren't banging on you all the time. You got more time off with your wife and kids.

It was a great life. It's not as great a life as it used to be. now they've got two signing days and it's burning out these coaches. Brian Kelly has told people, I can't do this very long. The third factor is Lincoln Riley's had four quarterbacks by next year and four years. This wacky transfer portal thing empowers the kid. I get it. I'm for it.

But it has made the quarterback position. If daddy's not happy and you're not starting, kids are out. It is a non-stop psycho-analizing therapy sessions for these top, college coach because you have to recruit two quarterbacks a year in case one gets hurt. And immediately one of them's like, well, I'm not going to start. Dad, I don't like it here. Boom, I'm out. So, and it, you know, it empowers the player and I don't blame the player. But these are the realities of Lincoln Riley.

I think he's going to take this job. I just don't know when he's going to take it. And Jerry Jones has had success. Think about this. Every time Jerry's won a Super Bowl, he hired a college coach. He hired Jimmy Johnson. No NFL experience. One two Super Bowls.

Got rid of him. There were other guys out there. He goes, I'm going to get Barry Sweatzer. He won a Super Bowl. So Jerry's reality is these college guys work. Jerry played college football. He watches college football. He loves college football.

You'll see Jerry on a Saturday at a college football game. So he has a real connection to college football. Lincoln Riley is very much Jimmy Johnson. You know, everybody knew Jimmy Johnson was going to work in the NFL when he was in college. You could just sense it. He was a great personnel guy. Everybody knows Lincoln Riley is going to work in the NFL. He's not as quirky as Chip Kelly, whereas, you know, his genius.

will transfer to the NFL. And I think there's a bunch of things working here. Cowboys need a coach who can get more at a DAC. There's a burnout happening with college football coaches and all this recruiting now. And the NCAA transfer portal, you are, it is a dance constantly trying to appease your quarterbacks in college football. So I think it's going to happen. I don't know when it's going to happen, but I think Jerry's got his guy.

I think Jerry's got his guy. Just like Jerry had his guy when he got, took to own the Cowboys, Tom Landry, he had his guy. He had to get Jimmy, but he had his guy. All right, let me shift to this. Yesterday, the Los Angeles Rams did what, since they've moved to Los Angeles, what the Rams do. Gave up a bunch of draft picks to get Jalen Ramsey. First of all, why did they do it? Well, San Francisco's 5 and 0, Seattle's 5 and 1, and if the Rams lose this weekend, the season's over. Now, you know, number two is, it made sense. Marcus Peters, they didn't want him in the room anymore. He's not a great guy that got him out of the room, and Akeem Talib got hurt.

They needed a corner. So a lot of it just makes sense. But the other part of this is Los Angeles is different. Its relevance matters a lot in New York and Los Angeles. There's eight pro teams in Los Angeles. There's 31 music venues. Skiing, the beach, shopping, red carpet events. It's busy.

It's distracted. I mean, LeBron moves to town. A.D. moves to town. Kawhi Leonard moves to town. Paul George moved to town. The Dodgers are all as good. USC is going to hire a new football coach. The reason USC is going to hire a new football.

football coach, it doesn't matter if Clay Windsor loses the rest of the season. They're not relevant. USC's on the seventh page of an eight-page sports section. They're not relevant. People just stopped going in L.A. The Rams lose two straight games. And this past weekend, the Coliseum was all-niner fans. Think about that.

Seven games ago, the Rams were in the Super Bowl, in the Super Bowl with a wizard head coach. And they go to two-game losing streak. In the Coliseum, it must have been a home game for the 49ers. Everybody in L.A. is like, that's nice out of year. You can have my tickets. That's L.A. And New York has more hardened fans. They're less willing because New York, let's be honest, six months of the year,

the weather's lousy, you don't want to go outside. But in Los Angeles, entertainment capital of the world, what do you do? Marcus Peters, I talked about it on this show, had become corrosive in the locker room, get him out of here. Akeeb Taleb is hurt, and it's like, all right, we need to be. the corner, let's get the best one on the market. And remember in Los Angeles, draft picks, nobody cares. They don't even care.

LeBron goes to Cleveland. It's amazing. We had a Laker team full of Cozmas and Brandon Ingram and Lanzo Ball and nobody cared. Remember when Kobe Bryant signed that contract his last couple of years? He signed a huge deal and everybody's like, it's kind of stunting the growth of all the young players. Do you know why they did that? Because Time Warner said, we're not giving you all those billions of dollars unless Kobe's on the team. We're not giving you that for Kyle Kuzman, Lonzo Ball, and Julius Randall. L.A. and New York are different. Think about how big Chicago is. There are boroughs in New York

bigger than Chicago. There's just too much ramifications, too much money. You've got to be relevant. You know, NFL, two teams in L.A., two teams in New York, two baseball teams in New York, two baseball teams in L.A., two soccer teams in L.A. You've got major universities. So this keeps the, they're moving into a stadium next year. supposed to be the world's best stadium in Los Angeles. What are you going to say? Hey, we got a bunch of draft picks. Or are you going to say, we got the best corner, best defensive linemen, we got the best this, we got the Sean McVeigh.

They want to bring stars into that stadium. So it makes complete football sense. Are they going to pay a lot for them? Yes. But that's just the way it is. This is a highly distracted market. Two straight losses. The stadium this weekend was all 49er fans.

And remember last year the Rams went for it. They did go for it last year. they went and got Peters and Talib and D'Amican Sue and they got them to the Super Bowl. So in the Rams eyes, it's like, yeah, this go go for it, the thing works. Draft picks. Jalen Ramsey is a lot better than any first round pick in the draft. Now, do the

Rams have to give up two first rounders at another pick? That was the market. And so, you know, Jacksonville's a small market. I mean, it's, Jacksonville gets lost in Florida. Like Los Angeles, you got Kauai Leonard, Paul George, A.D.

LeBron in town. The NBA season starts in a week. You're just going to lose this weekend and the season's over? Because I got news for you. Nobody will go to the games. That's the way L.A. is. Nobody will go to the games. USC is giving away tickets. So remember when the Clippers landed Kauai Leonard? Do you remember the comment from like Doc Rivers and Steve Ball? You know, Doc Rivers said if we didn't land him, I was just going to take the franchise to Seattle.

Like that's how it felt. If you don't land Kauai Leonard and the Lakers have LeBron and AD, we're invisible. We are literally lost in this city. And that's how the Rams feel. Open a new stadium. We're going to roll the dice. We need a corner anyway. Let's go get a star.

Nobody in this town cares about draft picks. So sometimes in these big cities, it's not just football, it's business. The Kobe Bryant deal was business and basketball. This is business and basketball. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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the fourth and on my podcast the clivert show I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out.

Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, ref, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clippers show on the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about

Defying the Odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball.

Like, you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out. real quick. Get your ass up and down the court and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 51 NFL games this year, Joy, have been decided by seven points or less. That is the most ever through week six. So there's a few really bad teams at the bottom of the league. But the top of the league, the Kansas City's New England's are far from unbeatable.

So we do have a few more awful teams this year. Washington, Miami and Cincinnati are awful. Oakland's been a great surprise. Chargers are worse than we thought. But as much as we talk about parity in this league, I always do, I unveil throughout the year. I always have what I call my Super Bowl bubble, and it always comes down to eight teams.

And I was sitting there thinking this morning, for all the parity, for all the close games, remember, every Sunday in the NFL, parity reigns supreme, except one Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday. That's not about parity. There's a very finite number, a quarter most of the teams in the league that go in the Super Bowl.

And this morning I wrote them down, I have, once again, I've got eight teams in my bubble and one close to the bubble. New England, Kansas City, Houston, Green Bay, Seattle, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and the Saints can win the Super Bowl. In Dallas, give me about three more weeks. My guess is Dallas is not a Super Bowl team. Give me about three more weeks. Colin, how can you have Philadelphia in there?

Only team to beat Green Bay, beat him at Lambo on national TV. and dominated them thoroughly, physically up front, both sides of the ball. What about Kansas City? What about Kansas City? Once they get healthy, they'll be fine. Okay, they'd just been beat up. Philadelphia, Kansas City, let them get healthy. They've proven they can win big games.

Carson Wentz is very good. I don't worry about Philadelphia. Good GM, good owner, good coach, good quarterback, let them get healthy. And now, there's five teams, five or six teams, I think, can win on any six. Sunday, except Super Bowl Sunday. I don't seem as elite. Chicago, Minnesota, Baltimore, Buffalo, Indy Carolina. I don't think they have the quarterback.

I think they'll meet limitations. They've got a low ceiling. You need playmakers. At the end of last year, the quarterbacks that were left were Mahomes and Brady and Breeze and golf. Golf, I like a lot. So there's six teams that are good, but I don't think they can win multiple games off and on the road in the NFL playoffs. The Rams, I think they're offensive line. I don't think they can fix it.

Once they paid Todd Gurley, they have limitations. They opened up some money for Jalen Ramsey eventually. I just don't think they have the offensive line to win it. Todd Gurley's contract's a nightmare, and they don't have a running game. And so that's where we stand. Dallas is the one team to me. You know, if they beat Philadelphia, they go in a little three-game winning streak. I do think they have the talent.

They've won divisions. I think they have the pass rush. I think they have the weapons. I think they have the running back, the offensive line. I think Jason Garrett's good enough to win a Super Bowl. I do. Dan Quinn got to a Super Bowl. Do I think Jason Garrett's as good as Dan Quinn?

I do. So, and do I think, you know, again, if Philadelphia goes sideways, they win the division, they get a home game. You know, you don't have to play everybody in the NFC playoffs. You know, somebody may knock San Francisco out of it. Somebody may knock Aaron Rogers out of it. So it's like March Madness. You don't have to play Duke to win it. You don't have to play Kentucky to win it.

Sometimes they get knocked out before you face them. So eight teams in the Super Bowl bubble, New England, Kansas City, Houston, New Orleans, New Orleans, Green Bay, Seattle, Philadelphia, San Francisco. Francisco. Give me three more weeks with the Cowboys, and I think that's where we stand today. What's up, everybody, John Middlecough, three-and-out podcast. Go subscribe if you like football, because that's all I talk about, football, football, and more football. Coming up on this week's show, the referees literally ruined Monday Night Football. How do we fix it? Cowboys, Eagles, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, Baker Mayfield, the Seattle Seahawks. I talk about it all. Three-and-out podcast with me, John Middlecock. Let me go to this go. Finally, somebody said it, is that we do this blame game all the time.

Is that in 2019, if you look at all the schematic changes and rule changes in the NFL, there's really no excuse to throw interceptions. I mean, Aaron Rogers has two all year, and those are on deflections. Russell Wilson has none this year. Patrick Mahomes, who throws it constantly, has one. There's really no excuses. The rule changes now. it really is you should be completing 65 to 66% of your throws if you have any protection on the offensive line. This is where Baker Mayfield's a problem. I'm not saying he has a great offensive line, but Sunday was a real eye-opener because he had nothing but time against Seattle to throw. They do not have a pass rush. They let Michael Bennett go.

They let Frank Clark go. Seattle does a lot of things right. They do not have much of a pass rush. Russell Wilson was under far more duress than Baker Mayfield was. Look at this throw. That's a terrible throw. That's a bad decision. This throw, you know, again, that's just a bad decision throwing into people.

Sunday was an eye-opener. He's got the most interceptions in the NFL right now as pass-a ratings 30th, completion percentage 30th, TD percentage of 30th. It's not all on the offensive line. Russell Wilson's old line is not great. So Freddie Kitchens finally yesterday put it back at least to some degree on Baker. Here it goes. To simply answer your question, I want to,

Baker to continue to work to make better decisions. We need to make sure Baker's continuing to get better with his eyes, his reads, his throws. But around him and me personally, I have to continue to do a better job, continue to put him in a better situation. So he comes and says he's got to make better decisions. This was my knock on Baker Mayfield, Johnny Mansell and James Winston out of college. I do not believe people that make bad decisions at 8. make great ones at 22.

I think that most people who are mature at 12 or mature at 18, mature at 26. Now, some of us grow up and, you know, I would hope to think in my 50s I'm smarter than I was in my 20. But I wasn't a big risk taker at 20. I'm not a big risk taker at 50. I wasn't irresponsible at 20. I'm not irresponsible at 50. I saved my money at 20. I saved my money at 50.

I've made, you know, I've adjusted, but I think I'm largely kind of the same guy. Now I'm a father. didn't used to be a father. Now I'm married, didn't used to be in my 20s married. But I have kind of the same core values, same core judgment, same core instincts. You know, I say I work hard, I put my money away, I go to bed early. Like most of my life has not changed. So I don't believe when you have a decision at 18 years old to listen to the police officer or run from cops, I don't think you're going to go from that to a brilliant decision

maker. I don't think James Winston's college nonsense, you go from that to being a great decision maker. Baker and James are interception machines. in an era, you shouldn't have a ton of interceptions. You just should. And I'm not saying James's O-line is great. I'm not saying Baker's O-Line's great. But Baker's got real weapons. He's got a real running game.

And those decisions Sunday were lousy decisions, just like throwing at opponents and taunting opponents and handshake stuff in college in the cop video in college. Let's just be honest about it. Baker throws an interception 5.6% of the time. Do you know what Kyler Murray throws an interception? 1.7% of the time, and his offensive line is worse. And he's got a rookie head coach.

And his roster's worse. So I don't want to hear about, well, he hasn't started many games. Kyler Murray is getting a ball intercepted less than 2% of the time. Patrick Mahomes has a bad offensive line in injuries. 0.4% of the time. Russell, he's been in the league eight years, 0% of the time. So let's just put some of this on Baker. He was cocky and made dumb decisions in college.

That police video, you're like, everybody did that in college. Yes, except the smart kids who you'd want to pay $150 million to be a franchise quarterback. 99% of you are never going to run a company. So if you want to run from cops in college, be my guest. But I'm praying that the guy that's running IBM or Google or Facebook didn't do that. So franchise quarterback is not receiver, cornerback, you know, left guard. It's quarterback. Maturity matters.

Judgment matters. And it's always been my issue on Baker. It's I judge, James Winston. I just don't. They, little, you know, snap decisions. One of the great traits of quarterback is decision-making. I don't like a lot of Baker's decisions. I didn't like him in college. I don't like them now.

Talent's there. That's not the question. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending. opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game.

This line. You know these kids. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue of 42. Hey, rep, my mama want you to wave at her. What?

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without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's gonna be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. something. We live in a time where it's very

player empowerment, pro player, and I'm not, I got, I got no problems with that. You know, college football, college basketball, guys transferring all the time. I think some of it I'm good with. I don't think, you know, you should be able to transfer as a college kid nine times, but I have no problem. You have an opportunity, and

players being empowered, because I go to games to watch players, not coaches, GMs, and executives and scouts. But what I love about there's a saying in Game of Thrones, bend the knee. What I love about the Patriots, they're always willing to roll. the dice on guys, but they're never, ever willing to sacrifice their culture. And so Michael Bennett this week, who's talented, but Seattle's like, we're done with you.

He's noisy. He can be political. He can be got into a fight with a coach. And New England's like, you're suspended. New England will roll the dice in everybody. A, B. Albert Hainsworth, Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, Ocho Sinko. And by the way, most don't work.

Corey Dillan was a big success. Rennie was mostly a success. Ocho, whiff, A. B. Winsworth, Quadruple Wiff. Bennett hasn't done anything. Frankly, they're very deep at his position. Now they've got a bunch of pass rushers, so they don't need him a ton. And they chase Winovich from Michigan, they drafted.

He's now getting to be a pretty good player. But what I like about New England, if I run a business, this is how I do it. I'm always willing to bring in super talented people all the time. I'll roll the dice. But I'm not sacrificing my culture for you. And New England's like, listen, you've got to be more committed. You've got to sacrifice more. We're not going to pay as much.

We have very strict rules. And nobody gets babyed even Tom Brady. I mean, we saw the video yesterday with Joy and I that gave him a game ball. They don't baby Brady. It's uncomfortable. And so New England runs a business like I would run a business. I would absolutely roll the dice on what are people that have a little baggage. You got to take chances.

Don't be stuffy. New England takes chances every year. But they never bend a knee. They never sacrifice their culture. You can't handle it. You can't sacrifice. Boom, you're out. And I love the way they do business.

I really do. I think you have to do that with any business. You have to roll the dice. You can't just sit there and be like, because, by the way, New England rolls the dice on the draft. They've whiffed on a lot of draft picks. They've whiffed on some free agent signings. But they're businesses that get big, you've got to take risks. Even when you're at the top, because all the companies below you are taking huge risks.

The Rams are taking risk. The Eagles are taking risk. The chiefs are taking risk. You can't sit up there on your perch and not roll the dice. New England does, but as they say, they're saying, in Thrones. They don't bend the knee. All right. So let's bring on the voice.

college football at this network. Joel Cladden's going to be awfully uncomfortable for Joel. Good to seeing you. What's up, dude? Okay. So let me start with this. Joy, I agree with you, by the way. It's more uncomfortable when we agree. It most certainly is, yes. So now that that's out of the way. So let me start with this. All right. Where are you wrong today? Let's go. Okay. College football, there's been a couple of changes, and I think it's made life miserable for college coaches. Number one. In recruiting? Now there is no February recruiting. day. They added a second one. I've had two coaches tell me, like, dude, you don't get a

summer. You don't get a time off now. That's true. It used to be the college lifestyle was way better than the NFL lifestyle. That's true. But you did it. You could control your players. The second thing is the transfer portal. Lincoln Riley is going to have his fourth quarterback in four years. If you don't take care of dad and the quarterback doesn't feel like he's the man, they just leave. This has made the college football, this is why, by the way, Michigan's basketball coach is like, I'm going to try the NBA. I think the college jobs, unless you have ultimate power like a Saban, it can be, it's not as much fun as it was. And Jerry Jones has a history of going into the college ranks.

It's the only way he's won Super Bowls. I think he knows he's going to hire Lincoln Riley. He's certainly not going to let anybody else in the NFC have Lincoln Riley. Jerry once said on the air, the biggest mistakes I've made has gone conservative. When I go for it, I never feel like. All right, but this is just from Jerry's point of view. Well, Jason Garrett, if they don't make the playoffs, he's out. He's going to offer Lincoln Riley $15 million a year.

And he might. Yeah, I mean, you never know. And Lincoln will have a choice to make. I think that there is a case to be made of why you would stay in college. Even with all the things. And listen, you're not wrong, okay? The recruiting calendar is much more tedious on the head coach now. And because of that calendar, it's actually a lot harder to take care of your current players,

which make them disgruntled, which leads to the transfer portal. So they actually are one and the same, right? They're all tied together. So yes, that's correct. However, some guys are just better in college than they are in the NFL. And I would suggest that the exception to the rule is what Jerry has done with college coaches. And I don't really count Barry Switzer because he came into a team that was likely going to win the Super Bowl anyways. Pete Carroll.

But Pete and Jimmy and Jim Harbonne Tom Coughlin. They were better NFL coaches. Jim didn't win a Super Bowl. Well, but he got to one. That's pretty darn good. He's better at San Francisco. He has been at Michigan. I don't know about that. I mean, he's improved by like four games a year in terms of a winning margin over the six or seven previous seasons to when he was there. I would just say this, that there are a lot more guys that you're not mentioning.

Lou Holtz was a Jets head coach in the 70s. That didn't work out. Butch Davis didn't work out. Nick Saban didn't work out. Steve Spurrier didn't work out. Chip Kelly didn't work out. Mike Riley didn't work out. Dennis Erickson didn't work out. I mean, so, I mean, you bring up a couple.

Pete had an NFL background before he went to Seattle. He was more of an NFL coach at USC than he was a college coach now in Seattle. I think you would agree with that, right? That's a fair point. Okay. So Jimmy Johnson is really the only one. Well, Tom Coughlin had great success in the NFL. Okay.

I mean, I'll give you Tom Coughlin. I think that that was in an era before what it is now. Don't you think it's easier for a college coach to go to the pros now? I don't know. I don't know. And I think that there's a lot of other things too. Okay, so his contract, he just signed an extension. It's about $32.5 million right now.

It goes through 2023. If he left right now, it'd be $4.6 million a buyout. That's a lot. Now, the contract states, actually, that it's 22 and a half percent of whatever is remaining on his contract. There is a good chance that he gets another extension at the end of this year. If that goes north of 50, which it probably will in terms of total contract value, that means that the 22 and a half percent that's already the precedent for him as his buyout,

he'd be in the north of $21 million. You know, I mean, like... Dallas Cowboy Head Coach. I understand that, but think about it now. He's got total control of Oklahoma. He's got the ability to raise his family. He's got two young daughters and his wife and Norman. I think that that plays a year.

That's why David Shaw hasn't left Stanford. They don't have nice houses in Dallas? He can get a nice house in Dallas, but you've also got this point. And the reason I bring up the $21 million is because he's likely going to continue to get extensions to the point where he's going to make somewhere in the $100 million range over 10 years. In the Big 12, or make same money in the NFL. He's also not accomplished everything that he wants to accomplish at Oklahoma.

Got a transfer portal in the NFL? Got to have to recruit the NFL and deal with goofy boosters and NCAA. I tell you what, you go beat Chip Kelly, and it doesn't work out, which the percentages suggest, Lincoln, and I'm going to talk to you and get this bonehead out of you. I'm going to talk to you right now. Lincoln, let's say it doesn't work out. Okay, you go and you're like roll the dice and it doesn't work out. What job you're going to go back and get?

At a hundred million, who cares? Oh, who cares? You know, because it's so easy to bring UCLA back, as we're proving right now. Hey, Lincoln. What job are you going to go get? You're in a blue blood job right now. Okay. You're in a blue blood job right now.

You don't have to leave anyway. Nick Sabin is the model. Bob Stoops was the model. You can stay there. You can make more money than God. Okay. You're just fine. Okay.

Now let's get it. Camera guys. Put it on me. and let me talk to Lincoln, Ryan. Oh, like the other three hours. Yeah, you want to stay at a days in in El Paso another 38 times in your life? You want to go to Rich Carl with Jerry Jones. Have martinis on Saturday night.

Hey, Lincoln, what sounds better, Lincoln, Riley? Hey, swing the camera over here. No, camera's broken. Now you're in the draft room, and now a sudden you're like, hey, I really like this player. Now you've got to deal with Stephen and Jerry and all these Yahoo's are saying, no, we don't want that guy. You're like, I lost all my autonomy.

Now I'm no longer in control of my own program. Good luck with that. All right, camera over here. I'm the president of Oklahoma. Academics are so important. This player, we're not going to let him in because my pointy. Swing it back. Swing it back. I'm the president of Oklahoma now. And guess what I just gave you? Another $32.5 million in extension. By the way, you've got 35 hours of private plane usage. You can play at any three, any one of our three golf clubs, whenever you want. So I'll take care of you, Lincoln. And guess what I'm not going to do? I'm not going to ask you to draft a player that you don't want to draft. Yeah, whatever.

All right, let's move to this. Gosh. Okay. Joy, it feels good when I beat in like that. I feel like I should have jumped in there like swing it over here. Yeah, Joy, what was your, joy? I would like your take. Do whatever's best for you. Yeah. Dallas four seasons, live next to Jerry, Cowboy coach. All right. So here's the, you know, here's the other thing. I'm hearing all this. and his wife. Caitlin, keep him in Norman. Here's what's funny. She's the boss. There's only one team that can beat Alabama this year.

Why? Why only one? LSU gives up too many cheap touchdowns. Georgia can't throw it over the top. You think Alabama doesn't give up cheap touchdowns this year? They've got all those true freshmen starting on defense. I think that they're likely to get into a shootout. This is not Alabama of a couple of years ago. This is a team that's having to win one way.

They don't run it like they used to. They don't play defense like they used to, namely because of injuries and a lot of young players playing, but they're leaning on Tua. This is more Oklahoma of last year than it is Alabama of last year. Do you know Fox Bet says if LSU and Bama played Bama is favored by almost 11 points? Well, Fox Bet is new. They're working through their kinks. I just don't think that that's a very good line whatsoever. I think LSU has a great chance in that game. Trouble against Florida at home. Yeah, and Florida is a pretty good football team. Pretty good. Not Alabama. They're pretty good. Alabama is great. I still think they're going to win the

SEC, but to think that they're just going to waltz through like they have in the last couple of years, I think, is trouble. Okay, so you, watch this. So, Clatt has his top ten, and this cracks me up. Why does this crack you up? Put it up. One, two, three, four, five. You have Clemson seventh. Folks, let me tell you what Clemson is. You know what Clemson is?

Florida State of 14? No. They're Pete Carroll's USC Trojans. Why is that? Because Clemson wins last year. Clemson's in a bad conference. When Pete was in a Pac-12, it was garbage. Yeah. wasn't good. Okay, the ACC now is garbage. Miami's garbage. Florida State's garbage. Virginia Tech's not what it was with the great coach. Only one ranked team. That's Clemson. By the way,

American has more ranked teams. So Clemson now with Trevor Lawrence and Dabo in a bad conference, they are bored out of their mind. Maybe. Pete's teams in the PAC 12 won a title. They came out the following year. They literally, they couldn't get up for anybody in the conference. Clemson is just sitting back here, waiting for Alabama, and they're going to crush them again. Listen, it might be, and they might win a national championship, and they might go 15 and 0. They're bored out of their mind. Lord knows they're not going to get tested in the ACC. I think that you would be, you know.

Who would the championship game be against today? Maybe, oh, gosh. I mean, every team in the coastal has two losses, one of them in the ACC. So it's a total crapshoot. By the way, whoever wins it, it's likely to be the seventh different winner in the last seven years on that side. I think Clemson's, I think we're falling for this. Yeah, but hold on, but hold on. Have they been impressive at all?

Well, again, they're sleepwalking through this schedule. So do you want me to rate them higher just because of your theory? Or do you want me to rate teams based on what I've seen on the field? Well, no, but I think everything has to be considered years ago. Florida won a national basketball title. Why should I consider their national championship from a year ago? Why not just evaluate teams for what they are in this season? What time out?

Don't we have a preseason poll? It's totally based on last year. Why would I care about a preseason poll whatsoever? We've already seen that those have proven to be totally wrong. Wisconsin and Penn State weren't thought of to be very much at all. And now here they are clearly in the top 10 right now. I think Clemson's a really good football team. They have not played to their potential.

If you put any other emblem out there outside of Clemson or Alabama, and you said here's this team and they have come out and they've played far below expectations and have just a one point win over a middling team with a first year head coach, Let's say it's Ohio State. Let's say Ohio State this year would have come out, played below expectations and had a one-point win against Indiana. You'd be crushing them. And rightly so.

And rightly so. So Clemson comes out and plays below expectations. They might go undefeated. They're probably going to go to the playoff because of their conference. But to put them or evaluate them outside of what they have actually done, I think is troublesome. By the way, ask Nick Sabin today who he's afraid of. He doesn't want to face Lincoln Riley and he doesn't want to face Trevor Lawrence.

Maybe. But this is what's so great about this season is that it's not just two teams that are clearly better than everybody else. I think that we've got seven teams that are clearly national championship contenders, in particular after we saw OU's defense last week, actually stand up and play great defense against Texas. You have Oklahoma this week. West Virginia is at Oklahoma. By the way, Oklahoma may very well come down after these massive rivalry games. It's very common. Oklahoma may come back down a little bit. Maybe. Okay, so let's go to this thing. So I have, can I throw another one of my brilliant theories? out there? I mean, you've been wrong a couple of times today, so keep going. Keep on trucking. Okay. So, Joel Clatt, for those on radio that can't see him if you're wondering who's consistently wrong.

So I believe... You're wondering the only person out here giving facts and not theories, go ahead. Okay, well, whatever. So, here's the thing, is that we tend to assume that if you go from college to pro, you're just starting to become a good football player.

Player side. Right, right. But a lot of times, the coaching you get college is better than the pro. And sometimes, if you're a three or four-year starter, the truth is you were more mature, you figured the playback book out early in college, you get well-coached, you get all these

college starts in, but at the time you get to the NFL, this is the seal. Like Alabama, a lot of times, Sabin squeezes every ounce of juice out of the orange, and by the time you get an Alabama player in the NFL, you're like, well, what he was in college is what he is. So what's the, my theory is this.

Marcus Mariotta got three-year starter in college, great college offensive coaching. Never got better after his rookie year in the NFL. Never got better. He entered as a ceiling. I'll give you an example. So are you saying this as a rule now? You just think that players are just specifically Marcus. Kyler Murray won your college football. I've watched him improve in three games. No, no, no, no, no. You can't, this is very revisionist history right now. No, you are,

you're more wrong on this than anything so far today. All you have to do is go back to the last nine quarterbacks that have won a Super Bowl. And I've given you this stat before, and I'm not surprised it went in one year and out the other. Nine Super Bowl winning quarterbacks since Brad Johnson. Okay. Yeah. And on average, when you look at their college career, they've started 34 games in college, attempted 1,200 passes, completed 730 of them, have 71 touchdowns with about 23 wins. The rule is if you're going to get a quarterback that's going to go into the NFL and actually be a Super Bowl winning quarterback, you want the experience.

In fact, the fewest number of starts in college for a quarterback that's one of Super is Aaron Rogers with 22. And I believe that's not even counting his junior college starts. So he's gotten more reps than even those statistics suggest. Brady is on the low end of that because he shared time at Michigan as a starting quarterback. I completely disagree. You want as much time as you possibly can. That's why Daniel Jones is having a lot of success.

This is why Haskins is having to sit. It's because he only played for one year. I just, I think that that's. That's a total misconception. The reason Marcus Marietta has not gotten better is because he's had a different offense every year. Mike Shanahan used to say, and I think he's absolutely right, and he got this from Bill Walsh. A quarterback in the National Football League only reaches full potential if he's in an

offense for the same offense in three separate seasons. You're only using that offense to its fullest capability once you get into that third year. Mike Shanahan used to say that all the time. And I firmly believe that. that. Why is Marcus Mariotta not developed? Because he's had a revolving door of offensive coordinator. What about Andy Dalton?

That guy just came into the league. You'd seen what he was. He entered the league in the ceiling. You're going to base your entire theory off Andy Dalton and Baker Mayfield, who's still in his By the way, Baker has only started a hair over 16 games. It's like he's still a first year player at this point. He'll continue to get

better. I gave you the nine Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. I speak from rings on the fingers. Well, that's how you see it. That's how everyone sees it. Again, do you want those numbers again? Maybe 34 career starts on average, Colin. 1,200 attempts, 730 completion, 71 touchdowns, and 23 wins.

With a completion percentage right around 63%. Because I watch Sam Darnold and I watch Kyler Murray and I'm like, these kids are getting better every week. I watch Baker and I'm like four years of college. This is what he is, a turnover machine. Andy Dalton, Marcus Marriota, Baker Mayfield, all these four years. Do you know how many turnover? Bicker had in college? Yeah, nobody

throws an interception at Oklahoma because Lincoln Riley is Elon Musk. He's a genius. All these Oklahoma quarterbacks, Jalen Hertz got benched. Now he's the best player in college football. I just love that you're basing a theory after Andy Dalton and Marcus Mariotta and not the nine quarterbacks who have won Super Bowl

since Brad Johnson. All right, let's see if I have anything else here. I got the Lincoln Riley thing, the starts in college thing. Ed Orgeron, I'm very happy for Ed. I doubted him. He's been a home run. He's been a home run. And by the way, if you don't know, The biggest move in college football to date was when Ed O'Geron hired Joe Brady to be his passing game coordinator. He was an assistant coach with the New Orleans Saints.

He came in, has revamped that passing game of LSU, and that's been the biggest thing that I think that we've gotten in college football is LSU's a office. And I never thought Ed O'Jeron was a power five juggernaut coach. He was too quirky for me. But you know what? It's a good fit down there. And LSU, that's a exact. He is a great fit. He is LSU football.

We agree. literally I don't know if he works anywhere else but at LSU Ed Orgeron is LSU football Well if he talks at a press conference or at a booster club They understand him Everybody else is like come again He ended his sideline thing this weekend

That everybody on Twitter was laughing about I had to watch it four times I couldn't understand He's just got Well he just played really well I got really I'm very proud Joe Burrough All right Joe Klan Let's hear for Joe Klan

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