The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 10/30/2018

Episode Date: October 30, 2018

Colin thinks we still don't give the Patriots enough credit for how long this dynasty has been going. He thinks Mike McCarthy makes sense as the next Browns head coach because things might not be salvageable in Green Bay. He reveals his Herd Hierarchy that does not have the Rams as the #1 team anymore. Plus, Albert Breer of The MMQB explains why some teams made moves at the NFL trade deadline. Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, this is on a Tuesday The Hurd, wherever you may be and however, you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here, FS1, Joy Taylor is

joining me Tuesday, tomorrow's Halloween. Our set looks amazing. If you're driving around on radio, turn us on on FS1. The peeps at Fox Sports and FS1 have done an incredible job with our studio. I love all of it except for this clown guy behind you. I know people are freaking out.

I'm really not into clowns. Yeah, yeah, I get that. I totally get that. You know, last night would be easy for the New England Patriots to mail it in. I mean, we saw Green Bay at home as a huge favorite over the Niners get outplayed. We saw Minnesota at home, huge favorite over Buffalo, get waxed. We saw the Saints at Home big favorite struggle against the United States. Cleveland Browns, but New England can win these games with their eyes closed.

By the way, there's a reason you don't see a lot of 70-year-old roofers in Arizona. That's not a career that's supposed to last long. There's a reason you don't see a lot of 70-year-old guys on oil derricks outside of Louisiana. That career's not supposed to last 50 years. You can be a podiatrist, a baker, a veterinarian for a long time, a sports writer for a long time. The fact that the Patriots dynasty continues is unbelievable. This is not supposed to be this way in professional football. Here's how long this thing has lasted.

Ladani and Tomlinson got drafted in 2001. The same year the dynasty started. He played his entire career, then retired, then waited the mandatory five years, and was voted into the Hall of Fame, and it's still going. I mean, the guy was drafted, the guy played, the guy waited, got it inducted to the Hall of Fame, and the thing's still going. It's incredible. Basketball, dynasties and basketball, pro basketball go hand in hand. Dynasties in football don't last this long.

First of all, there's the injury component. Guys get hurt. In the NFL, Gronk hurt, Edelman hurt, Hightower hurt. They've had great players hurt in the playoffs, miss the playoffs, miss Super Bowls. What if Durant and Curry couldn't play in an NBA finals? So in the NFL, you have random and regular injuries to star players, and the Patriots have had him for 18 years. No effect. I mean, last night, James White, they made him their best receiver.

And Cordor L. Patterson, wide receiver, they made their best running back. They just invent new ways to win. They never play down to opponents. I mean, in football, if you have a bad quarter, you lose. the game. You're out of the playoffs. In football, an unlucky break, a tip pass that becomes an interception. You lose. You're out of the playoffs. In football, a bad call in the fourth quarter, you're out of the playoffs. You should be out of the playoffs, even if you're a better team all the time. In the NBA, a bad quarter, who cares? It's a seven-game playoff series. An unlucky tip pass?

We'll make it up tomorrow in game four. A bad officiating call? That's game two of this series. the NBA also is not a coaches sport. Okay. The NFL is a coach's sport. That's why they pay football coaches in Boise more than they pay the Yankee manager or the Atlanta Hawks coach. Football is a coaching sport. And the minute you win the Super Bowl, your coaches leave. Your assistants leave.

Your coordinators leave. Philadelphia lost its best two offensive guys. Go ask Philadelphia. Go ask the Giants. Go ask the Steelers. It's hard to get back. Go ask Drew Brees. Go ask Peyton Manning.

Even if you got the quarterback right, you're losing your best coordinators. You're losing your players to injuries. Tip passes, bad breaks, bad calls. It's a one and done. It's March Madness. Bad quarter. Bad eight-minute stretch. You're done.

You're out. Bad break. Bad call. And the dynasties aren't supposed to last this long. This is unbelievable. I mean, no, there are no 70-year-old roofer's in Arizona. That's not a career that's supposed to last that long. There are no 70-year-old guys in Oil Derrickson in Louisiana.

I mean, in the NFL, you win your division. They make your schedule tougher the next year. Doesn't work that way in the NBA. It doesn't work that way in college football. Doesn't work that way in college basketball. Doesn't work that way in hockey. It doesn't work that way in baseball. In football, you win your division.

Let's give them a tougher first place schedule. I mean, it's just incredible what's happening right now. Here's how long this dynasty has lasted. The New England dynasty has been going on so long. It started before the Houston Texans were a team. LaDadian Tomlinson's entire career. Drafted, played, weighted, Hall of Fame. It's still going.

No signs of slowing. And it's not supposed to work this way. Last night was a classic opportunity to stumble. And they didn't. Of course, they didn't. Here's a story on the Browns that's interesting. Baker Mayfield, who I've been critical of, won't exactly miss Hugh Jackson. According to stories, Mayfield didn't love Hugh Jackson.

You know, you can tell the same story two different ways. I will argue that hard knocks got Hugh Jackson fired, not the two, five and one record. You can spin that two, five, and one record a lot of different ways. If you didn't see Hugh Jackson's ego on display, you could spin it like, hey, we're a legitimate field goal kicker from 4 and 4. You could spin it that, hey, this thing, we were 0-16 last year with a rookie quarterback, Steelers twice, Ravens, Chargers, Changers, Saints, we're 2.5 and 1. But remember the hard knocks moment with Hugh Jackson. These reality shows are divorce magnets. They make, nobody looks good in these reality shows.

As Brian was on an Amazon reality show, can't get work. Look like a crazy person. Nobody looks good in a reality show. Remember this, Hard Knocks a few months ago? Our team has to get mentally tougher and be able to fight through the shit that we've got to fight through. We've got to change this drastically. And if we've got guys that haven't done shit sitting around doing nothing, you know, I just don't know how we're going to do it. Well, I respect you saying that.

I mean, I used to sit in the same chair. Let me finish. Let me finish. I used to sit in the same chair as you guys sat in. And I used to feel the same way. I just want to kill them, okay? Until all of a sudden, I sat in this chair, and then they're not there. Say it again, but the chair I sit in, a little different in the chair you guys sit in.

I get to watch from a different lens. I'll talk me a long time ago. You know, what is it that I'll give it to me? If your team, you do whatever the hell you want. If it's your team, you do it the hell you want. Okay, so this one's mine. So that's just the way it's going to be. So you see that ego, and then when you see it resurfaced in eight weeks, you're like,

Oh, hard. If you don't see that with hard knocks, you can spin two, five, and one a lot of different ways. By the way, with Andrew Luck, the Colts are three and five, and there's nothing but optimism. That's with Andrew Luck.

Three and five, arguably in a worst division with Andrew Luck, nothing but optimism, because you don't see Frank Reich's ego. He's not on hard knocks. Okay? The Jets, what are they like, three and five?

The Jets, Todd Bulls, quiet. You never see him. You never hear from him. He's understated. Respectful, quiet, no ego. Jets are three and five? There's nothing but optimism. We just got to get Sam Darnold players. The Colts and the Jets with quiet, understated coaches who don't go on hard knocks, who don't show the ego.

Everybody's like optimistic. Yet with a rookie quarterback, you face Drew Brees, Flacco, Rivers, bend twice, you're two, five and one. And everybody's like, whoa, man overboard. Even the Brown's owner yesterday when he made the move, listen to this. It's hard to win in the NFL. If everybody knows that, it's us.

And I think the message today is we're not going to put up with internal discord that we want people who are collaborative and work together. So you want people who are collaborative and work together, but yet Greg Williams is your guy now? yelling, screaming, Greg Williams is your guy now. Longtime guy that in New Orleans paid players to hurt other players. Bountygate guy. He's the uniter.

Really? We want people who unite people. Greg Williams can't keep a job. He's a screamer. He's a yeller. He's paying guys to hurt other guys. That's a uniter? I'm telling you, reality TV shows, if they call you, hang the phone out.

Well, unfortunately, they don't have a choice. I know. If they get picked for hard knocks, but I think if you do get picked and you know that this is what's a possible outcome to the situation, you just have to fake your way through it. People are not meant to be videotaped all the time. In your house, at your work, we all have bad moments, we all lose our temper, we all say silly stuff. You try to perform when the camera's around, even if you're kind of an authentic person, you

feel like you got to perform. It's almost better if you do perform because if you forget the cameras there, that's kind of when it becomes problematic. But you could spin two, five and one a lot of ways. But Frank Reich, quiet, understated, they're three and five with Andrew Luck in a bad division. Everybody's like, love Frank Reich in the way we're headed. Sam Donald's Man Overboard, 3-5 Todd Bulls, understoodated, quiet, professional.

Not a peep, optimistic. This is Man Overboard. Be sure to catch live editions of the. heard weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. By the way, I saw the names floated yesterday for the Cleveland Brown job, and some of them are just idiotic. And there's a name that's completely missing. First of all, here are the odds to be the next full-time Browns coach. Bill Belichick, idiotic. Jim Harbaugh would not leave Michigan for Cleveland. Idiotic. Sean McVeigh is going to leave the Rams.

Really? Jared Goff, Gurley, Richie. just owner in the NFL. He is now going to leave that for Cleveland. That's ridiculous. Here's the name that's not on there, and I can't believe it's not on there, and it makes a ton of sense, and it's good for everybody. Mike McCarthy of the Packers is not on that list. How's Mike McCarthy agree? First of all, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers have a, at best, frosty relationship. McCarthy has worked with Rogers and Favre. He can deal with ego. Baker's got an ego. he can deal with personality. Baker's got a personality.

He's dealt with Farvin Rogers. Okay, John Dorsey runs Cleveland. Where was he before Kansas City? Green Bay. Who was there? Mike McCarthy. By the way, Alonzo Highsmith is now the vice president in charge of player personnel for Cleveland.

Where was he before that? Along with Elliot Wolf, also in the front of us. Green Bay. You got all these connections between the Packers. Listen, Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers, it's time. I'm not blaming anybody. That relationship's coming to the end.

Once Aaron signed that massive contract, there's going to be more pressure on Aaron to win games. Aaron is worn out. Not all, Pat Riley used to say this all the time. Not all relationships. After about 10 years, players tune out coaches voices. Every 10 years, Pat Riley said, you need to get another job. After 10 years, Aaron's just tuned out a lot of Mike McCarthy. way, Mike McCarthy's at fault, too. He can be old school and rigid. Aaron's a little more

progressive and adaptable. So you got the California cool guy and the guy that looks like the Milwaukee police sergeant and they're one guy's old school, one guy's new school, and they're just done with each other. And I'm not blaming anybody. Mike McCarthy is a good coach. Aaron's a great quarterback. But I cannot believe that name's not on the board. John Dorsey's an old school guy that knows McCarthy an old school coach. They're a perfect fit. And this roster is good enough to win. This is a good roster in Cleveland. Baker's not quite ready yet to be a star, but it's a good roster.

They got players. They got a pass rusher, a couple of good backs, a star-wide receiver. I mean, they got a world-class young corner. Denzel Ward could be a pro bowler. They got players here. So have you got Belichick's name on that list? That's idiotic. Sean McVehan Harbaugh?

Those guys are not. Those guys are winning in great places. If Harbaugh comes back to the NFL if, it's not going to be for dysfunctional. Belichick hates Cleveland. He'd never, yeah, I'm going to leave Kraft for Jimmy Haslam. I'm going to leave Brady for Baker. I mean, honestly, was this done by a couple of drunk poker players in Vegas?

Who put these odds up? Mike McCarthy, to me, let me shift to this, too. Everybody says Lincoln Riley. Listen, I think Lincoln Riley's really good coach, Oklahoma coach. Let me just throw this out to you. Okay. Steven Spielberg is good for every actor's career. But that doesn't mean many actors can elevate Stephen Spielberg's career.

Takes a special actor. Okay. Lincoln Riley, all his quarterbacks are good. How do we know that Lincoln Riley looks at Baker Mayfield and goes, yeah, that's who I'd want is my NFL quarterback? He probably looks at Russell Wilson. He probably looks at Aaron Rogers, Carson Wentz. I mean, Lincoln Riley has obviously been great for Baker's career. Baker was a walk-on.

Couldn't get a starting scholarship. How do we know that Baker is so great for Lincoln Riley's career, especially in the NFL? Kyler Murray is the new quarterback at Oklahoma. Through eight games compare Baker last year to this new kid, Kyler Murray? Kyler Murray's numbers are better. A much better athlete, much better scrambler, and his passing yards, and his passing numbers are slightly better. Lincoln Riley would never say it publicly. Kyler Murray may be a better fit for him in college than Baker.

Every quarterback Lincoln Riley's had in his entire coaching career, they're all stars. Lincoln Riley's a smart guy. How do we know he looks at Baker and goes, that's the guy I want to tie my career to? Hell, the kid he's got right now is performing better than Baker did. Baker's just more well-known. He's a superstar. He's got a big personality. So you remember when Pete Carroll went to the NFL, Pete Carroll helped every USC football players,

career. But Pete Carroll didn't draft a lot of Trojans when he got the Seahawks job. There weren't a lot of Trojans that could help his NFL career. In fact, he took Earl Thomas a safety for Texas over Taylor Mays, who was a safety at USC. And people are like, whoa. Remember, Spielberg helps every actor's career. Very few actors elevate Spielberg. I don't think Lincoln Riley necessarily looks at Baker and thinks, all right, I'm going to give up one of the best jobs in college sports and time myself to Baker. He may look at the NFL like the rest of us do and think, yeah, I'd rather have this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy.

I'd rather have golf. I'd rather have Wentz. I'd rather have luck. I'd rather have Deshawn Watson than Baker. And I'm sure Lincoln Riley, a smart guy looks at that and thinks, yeah, Baker was great for me here. I'm pretty good with this Kyler Murray guy. And the numbers bear it out. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Every Tuesday, after Monday Night Football, we come in on Tuesday. And we call it our herd hierarchy. I spend way more time on this than a grown-up should, but I'm into it. And here we go. Our top 10 teams I've seen in the NFL. Heard hierarchy.

Time is now, let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college, number 10. It's hard to trust the Houston Texans. Reportedly, I'll put him at 10. They're making a deal with Denver wide receiver Damario Thomas as we speak. Demarius Thomas as we speak. And they play them this week. five-game winning streak. Deshawn Watson has been unbelievable, and it's remarkable because he's

been beat up physically. He couldn't fly on one of the team trips. He had to take a bus. He's completed 67% of his throws during a five-game winning streak. 10 TD's four picks, 105-passer rating. J.J. Watt is having a great year again. He's healthy. Eight sacks most tied in the National Football League. It's hard to touch his franchise. But if they're making this deal for the White receiver, it tells you after losing Will Fuller, they're all in. They think they can make a run in the AFC. Hard to trust them? This is as much as I can trust them. I've got them at 10, the Houston Texans. Number nine. I got to give Pete Carroll credit. Seattle has done a remarkable job. Right now, they have the league's number one rushing offense and the number one scoring defense since week four.

Much like New England, they kind of punt it in September, rework their offense. They are running a higher percentage of run plays than any other team in the league. 53% of their plays are run plays. In a passing league, that leads the NFL. They're also top five in defense. Their pass rush is a little hit and miss. But Pete Carroll's strength has always been defense. They're playing great defense.

They're not turning the ball over. Their turnover differential second in the NFL plus 10. That's a very Andy Reed, Kansas City feel. I thought it was a rebuilding year. It's not. Seattle's for real. dominated Detroit as a road team impressive this Sunday, Seahawks 9. Number 8.

Pittsburgh Steelers are an interesting mix of dysfunction, lack of detail, and Uber talent. Their pass rush right now is frightening. Baker Mayfield had no chance Sunday. Matt Ryan a few weeks ago had no chance against their pass rush. They are 3 in October. They can go over the top. James Connor has filled in. He's been terrific.

But then again, they lead the NFL in. Penalies and penalty yards and apparently haven't figured out all the rules, judging by what happened against the Browns. I have them at eight. I'd have them higher on talent, but their dysfunction. Lack of details puts them at eight. Number seven. Philadelphia, again, I think they're just a little tighter than Pittsburgh. The problem with Philadelphia, I can make an argument.

Seven of their eight games have been decided by six points or less. I could make an argument. They're underrated and overrated. Here's what I know, though. They are top five in the league in rushing. that matters especially up to Thanksgiving beyond Thanksgiving. The weather in Philly now you're going to get some rain, going to get some hail, going to get some win.

They can run the football. I also like this about Philadelphia. They get people off the field. Get the ball back to Carson Wentz. Right now, third down defense is something I've always looked at. Their top three in the league, their third. Meaning they've got a pass rush. They get you off the field and they get the ball back to their star quarterback

who now has a running game, Philadelphia at 7. Number 6. They were beaten by Carolina, so I'll put Carolina one spot ahead of them. I'm not, you know, this is a coin flip to me, but they did beat Philly, so I'll put Carolina at number six. Carolina, first of all, has always been sneaky, good at home. Once again, they're four and O this year at home. They've won four of their last five. We've talked a lot through the years about their running game, and they're second in rushing.

A lot of that's Cam Newton. I got to give Cam credit. I didn't know with Norv Turner. Cam's got his money, he's got his MVP trophy, he's got, you know, he's a got the fashion, he's got the commercials. Would he be coachable? He's been terrific. Multiple touchdowns, six straight weeks. That's never happening in Cam's career.

I get a, remember what for years? They call him roller coaster cam. You're going up, you're going down. You're going up, you're going. He has mostly smoothed out the bumps. I've always liked their front seven defense. Ron Rivera, I think, is a very stable, solid head coach. I got the Panthers at six.

Number five. I know you're not watching them, but The Chargers are loaded. Everybody talks about Minnesota's wide receiving core. Well, Philip Rivers is better than Kirk Cousins, and this wide receiving core is better than Minnesota. Keenan Allen, Stud, Mike Williams Stud, Terrell Williams, wide receiver,

who played it like Western Oregon. They have three long, fast, tall, deep threats. And Philip Rivers, who's always been hyper-aggressive, is going after him. And here's the thing. The Chargers have had talent for years. But they always kind of like gave games away. They have the second fewest giveaways in the NFL.

What they've done. I talked to their front office in the off season. They said, we love our talent. Got to stop beating ourselves. If you look at who's beating this team this year, Rams Chiefs. Like, if you go to the last two years, the only people beating the Chargers are like the New England's, the Rams, and the Chiefs. I have the Chargers at 5.

Number 4. But I have the Chiefs at 4 because through the years, the Chargers can't beat the Chiefs. Andy Reed is owned, the Chiefs. And this is an offensive story. Now, they do get eventually, they're going to get some defensive guys back. But Patrick Mahomes has the most passing yards and the most passing touchdowns of any player in the first nine games of his career. And it's kind of a perfect storm. I like Mahomes.

We're going Gaga. He's got the perfect guy in Andy Reid, one of the great play callers in football, one of the great play designers in football. He's got the fastest guy on the outside of the Cheetah. He's got a world-class running back, Kareem Hunt. He's got the best tied end, in my opinion, in football, along with Zach Ertz and Gronk. and Travis Kelsey. They've got a better offensive line than previous years. That's been coached up.

I still don't know if I trust them in a big spot. He's still a kid quarterback, but I got the Chiefs at four. Number three. May surprise, I have the Rams at three. I keep seeing this with the Rams. Maybe it's lethargy. Maybe it is they don't have a consistent pass rush. And you saw it this week against Green Bay.

When they needed it late, they did have it. But four of their last five games, and not exactly against great competition, have been decided by seven or less. Now, they're the number one running team. Todd Gurley is the MVP, in my opinion, of the league right now. Their number one in point differential. Second and total offense.

But I've watched every snap of every game. Their pass rush is hit and miss. Their linebackers are okay. Now, they will get better because their secondaries beat up. But when you can put pressure like the Packers did on Jared Goff, you can clearly disrupt this offense. And I think it's close, but I have them at three. Number two.

And I have New England at two because if I think they met, I think Brady would slice up without a pass rush. I think Brady would slice up their defense, like Kansas City. I think Brady would face the Rams and slice them up with a bunch of Chris Hogan, Julian Edelman, Grong, James White stuff. I don't love their backs. I don't like the Rams linebackers in space. And I love what New England did last night.

Just methodical. Didn't even perform well in the red zone. But here's the thing. 25 plus points on their five game winning streets. They're the best coach team in football. They're the best quarterback team in football. They have the best system in football. And I'll tell you this.

They don't have a lot of superstars. Gronk's not what he used to be. But, man, they got a lot of guys that can play. James White and Chris Hogan and Gronk and Edelman, Cordorale Patterson, Josh Gordon. Got a lot of dudes. Not all stars. Maybe none are stars anymore.

But they can all play and they can all catch. Number one. Saints are the best team in football. Lost week one to Fitzmagic. and they've been great. They won at Baltimore. That's a tough win for a dome team. They won at Minnesota, convincingly.

That's a tough for New Orleans to go on the road. The Saints have always been that team that I love at home. Don't necessarily trust them big spots going up north, and they blow me away. I loved how they performed against Baltimore. I thought they were dominant against Minnesota. They run the football with a dual-back system. They've got a deep threat.

Drew Brees is completing closer to 80% than 75% of his throws. They're one of the best coach teams in football. Mickey Loomis is stacked. Now, I don't love their secondary at all. Eli Apple, I think, helps. But again, I think they're going to end up hosting playoff games, and I would not. Be it the Rams, be it the Eagles, be it Carolina. I would not want to face this team down in that dome.

No thank you, because they're winning on the road. Saints, number one, in my herd hierarchy. What's up, John Middlecough, three-and-out podcast on Colin Coward's podcast network. If you like Collins' show, you will like mine. I talk a ton of football. Talking Brady, talking the paths, talking Andrew Luck's comeback story, the Cleveland Brown debacle and Todd Gurley's MVP case all coming up on the podcast. Again, John Middlecough, three-and-out podcast.

You can find me wherever you listen to your podcast. Clay Thompson broke an NBA record last night for threes in a game, and he hit 14 threes in a basketball game. For those who don't follow the NBA, that's a lot. And everybody's going to talk about Clay Thompson today, and that was not about Clay Thompson. That was about Steph Curry. Last night was not about Clay Thompson.

when Kevin Durant wins finals MVP, that's about Steph Curry. This all happens you get because of Steph Curry. Steph Curry had two MVP's, had already won a title. 73 win regular season record was just moving into his prime, held several three-point records, and went to his head coach and said, I'm going to get Kevin Durant, who's probably a better player than me, will take away points and shots and probably trophies for me. me. I want to remind everybody that Carmelow Anthony could not coexist with Jeremy Lynn for a month. Couldn't handle it. I want to remind everybody that Westbrook, Russell, recruited Paul George,

who he's clearly better than much harder than Kevin Durant, who he's not as good as. That's all I need to know. Kevin Durrani had lunch with him. Paul George, he worked out all summer with him. I want you to know that Derek Rose refused to get on the phone with LeBron James when he was MVP and playing in Chicago. Steph Curry is the most inclusive MVP in league history. That includes LeBron. Moving into his prime. The face of a franchise. He literally went out, got on a plane, and sold Kevin Durant on Golden State.

Last night, yeah, Clay is going to have nights like that. Jimmy Butler doesn't want to play with Carl Anthony Towns or Andrew Wiggins. He wants to be the man in Brooklyn. Every time I see Kevin Durant win in finals MVP, every time I see Clay Thompson go off, I'm like, insecure people want to be the man. Secure people want to be among many great men. Here's Clay Thompson and Steve Kerr last night.

I didn't even know who had the record, and so I asked Steph, Like, do you have the record? He goes, yeah. And so I'm a little slow on the uptake on some of this stuff. Even before I went out from the second half, Steph, the box score and said, go get it. And that just shows you the unsolptionist that isn't with him. Yeah. I mean, he's in a remarkable player.

You know, there's a lot of people that have been saying this for years and years. They're trying to break the Warriors up. And Clay Thompson's going to be a Laker because Michael Thompson was a Laker. And Kevin Durant's going to move out. believe it when I see it. I'll believe it when I see it. You're talking about in my lifetime, this, and I don't know if they're as good as the Showtime Lakers,

or they're as good as Jordan's 95 Bulls. But with the rules in place today, they are the best team I've ever seen when passionate. When they're into it, when they're all in, when they're all galvanized, when they really feel it's a big night, Sebastian I've ever seen. And that includes the Showtime Lakers.

Sometimes the Bulls would not be as great today because they didn't have many elite three-point shooters and the Warriors would not have been as good in 95 where you could push slender Steph Curry and slender Kevin Durant around. But this thing all works because of Steph Curry. Steph Curry's willing, going into his prime, MVP, had a title. Carmelo Anthony couldn't play for a week, couldn't coexist with Jeremy Lynn.

It just shows you how smart and how secure Steph Curry is in himself. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you live. life. Let's go to a guy to depend on a lot via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback. Let's start with the firing of Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley. Why did it happen?

I think as much as anything else, Colin, this is about creating the right environment for their young players. They had the information that they needed on Hugh Jackson. And for the first time in a long time, there's a lot of good young talent in that building. And it's not just Baker Mayfield. a good 22, 23, 24-year-old football players, Denzel Ward, Miles Garrett, Jabryl Peppers, Desmond Harris, and Antonio Calloway, Nick Chubb. And they want to make sure that they have the right environment for those kids to grow in over the next couple of months. And things have gotten so bad between Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley that it just became an on-starter,

the idea of going forward with the two of them. In fact, one sign of how icy things were, Hugh Jackson said last week that he was going to get a little bit more involved. in the offensive meeting room, I'm told that did not happen at all, that nothing changed, the things remained the same, and it became very, very clear on Sunday to everybody in that building that something was going to have to give. The question became, was it going to be Hugh? Was it going to be Todd? And in the end, you know, Jimmy Haslam decided that it had to be both of them to create, again, the right environment for those young guys going into the stretch run. Baker Mayfield, there are stories that he wasn't in love with Hugh Jackson,

can we confirm those? That's absolutely true. Yeah, and I think one of the things about Baker is that he can be a little bit difficult to coach and that he evaluates coaches. He's not going to just automatically be on board with a coach just because that's who he's assigned to. You're going to have to sell yourself to him. And he doesn't want to just know the how and the what.

He wants to know the why. And, you know, over the course of his first six months as an NFL player, it wasn't Hugh Jackson giving him those answers. It was Todd Haley. It was to some degree, Ken Zampese, the quarterbacks coach. And so, you know, I think in a lot of ways, you know, Baker Mayfield sort of saw Hugh Jackson as a little bit of an empty suit. I'm not saying it was a bad relationship, but he was very, very open about how he felt about Hugh Jackson with people that he's close to. And I'm sure that that's something that was taken into consideration when they were looking at the big picture on what to do going into this week. Okay, I hear this kid, Matt Campbell at Iowa State. That's a little bit of a roll of the dice. Is there anybody in the NFL? Any NFL candidate we should keep our eye on for the Brown's job? Oh, it's early, of course.

You know, they got two months to really sort of vet candidates to look at candidates before they've got to get it going. I think a couple guys you probably want to keep your eye on. One, I think certainly would be John D. Philippo, with experience having worked in Cleveland, who's a quarterback's guy. He'd make some sense. If you want to look back to Kansas City, where John Dorsey came from, Eric Vienemy, the offensive coordinator there, would make some sense,

although he doesn't have quarterback coaching experience. If you want a veteran name, if Mike McCarthy were to separate from the Green Bay Packers, I think Mike McCarthy would be somebody that the Browns would look at. And again, I think Matt Campbell is a good name for you to look at. I know Lincoln Riley is the easy one. I'm not sure Lincoln Riley is going to leave Oklahoma to go just anywhere. Matt Campbell makes sense on a lot of different levels. He's from Northeast Ohio.

He's got a reputation as a program builder who relates well with people. And I can tell you this with certainty that there are a lot of people in the scouting circles that John Dorsey runs in that have a lot of respect for Matt Campbell and believe that he's going to be a very successful NFL head coach. The question with somebody like Campbell would be, can he put together an NFL staff? But I'd be shocked if Matt Campbell wasn't near the top of the list whenever the Browns put it together. By the way, our friend Adam Schaefter, you know him, Detroit is trading wide receiver, Golden Tate, to the Philadelphia Eagles. They need a receiver for a third round pick. Albert, I would be remiss if I didn't ask. I have a feeling that the AFC wild card spot, one of them is going to go to the chiefs of the Chargers.

I think the rest of it's wide open. I think the Colts with Andrew Luck think they could be a wild card team. Are you hearing anything on the Colts adding somebody in the next five or six hours? I would be surprised if the Colts made a move just because of where they feel like they are from a global standpoint in that they've done a nice job in the draft the last two years. They've sort of picked themselves up off the canvas. And they've got a good young base to work with there. and if you want to go up and down the draft class this year,

a lot of guys who are already contributing. On that offensive line, which is becoming a strength now, you've got two rookies in Quentin Nelson and Braden Smith. You have potentially the defensive rookie of the year and Darius Leonard, a couple of good backs and Heinz and Wilkins, you know, a couple of guys they haven't seen yet

in game action that they have a lot of hope for in Taekwon Lewis and Dionne Cain. And so the Colts are very confident about where they are from a building standpoint, point. I don't think they view themselves as a contender quite yet. They're probably still a draft class away from being that. I don't think that they'd be an aggressor right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the playoff race down the stretch.

Based on where they are right now, it's three and five. They're tied with the Jaguars in the AFC South. I just don't feel like they're at the point right now in their building process where they would view themselves as close enough to be the aggressor on a day like to that. By the way, I like the Eagles getting Golden Tate. I like that move. Do you like that move? Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, look, they've certainly had a need for some skill position difference makers.

They've taken those hits at the running back position. You know, obviously, they went through the early parts of the year without Alshon Jeffrey and some of the depth issues at the receiver position came to light. And so the idea of adding a golden tape, I think certainly makes sense. He's he's tough. He's a competitor. You know, he's somebody who's got championship experience, having been on those Seahawks teams. And so, you know, I know the Lions weren't wild about the idea of. parting with Golden Tate because in so many different ways he fits what Matt Patricia is looking

for. In fact, I talked to somebody there just yesterday who said, we need more guys like Golden Tate here. So certainly, you know, it's going to cost you something to get Golden Tate out of the Detroit organization. I think the Eagles giving up a three shows how they value him. And I certainly like it from the standpoint that you're giving your young quarterback another weapon to work with. And the guy who I think from a system and a program standpoint really fits is a competitor and a guy is a fighter and a heavy player. All right, good stuff. I want to thank Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback for coming by.

It's a trading deadline. A few more hours. Thanks, Albert. All right, thanks, Colin. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. So yesterday, the Browns in week seven with a rookie quarterback, fired their head coach and their offensive coordinator in an offensively driven league.

dysfunctional. And I think we all kind of think, you know, the Browns by far and away are the most dysfunctional franchise. But if you go look at the last 10 to 20 years, Joy, you live in Miami, you've seen dysfunction. I mean, when Marino left, they could never get it right in Miami. And it's amazing. We thought there's a lot more dysfunction in this NFL than you think. And today we're going to do something called it's the most dysfunctional franchise pageant. Here we go. It's time for the herd's first annual most dysfunctional franchise pageant with your host, the sensational Colin Cowher. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right.

So here are the 10 contestants in our first ever most dysfunctional franchise pageant. Bills, Browns, Raiders, dolphins, you'd agree with that one. Yes. Jets. Colts. Jim Mersey. Giants, Arizona Cardinals, Detroit Lions, and Dallas Cowboys. So what we're going to do, like a beauty pageant, we have to start now eliminating,

we have 10 dysfunctional franchises last 10, 20 years. Now we start eliminating the contestants. So here's the first question. Does your team have a top 10 statistical quarterback? Because if you have a franchise quarterback, you're not that dysfunctional. Well, we have to eliminate two of the teams. Detroit has Matt Stafford. And the Colts have Andrew Luck.

So you can't be that dysfunctional if you figured out the most important position in the sport quarterback. We're down to now eight contestants, Bill's Browns, Raiders, dolphins, jets, giants, cardinals, cowboys. So how about this? Have you won... What do you want to do in this league? You want to win a playoff game? Have you won a playoff game in the last 10 years? Dallas, you got two of them.

Arizona, you got a Super Bowl appearance. Giants won a Super Bowl. Jets went to two AFC championships. So Dallas Zona, Giants, Jets, you cannot be the most dysfunctional franchise. We've eliminated more contestants. We are now down to four contestants. We could have a surprise, ending here in the most dysfunctional franchise pageant.

Who are the final four contestants? Bills, Browns, Raiders, and Joyce Dolphins. How about this? So we asked if you had a franchise quarterback. You can't be totally dysfunctional if you get that right. Indie Detroit, boom. We asked, last 10 years, if you won a playoff game. I mean, if you want a playoff game, you're not that dysfunctional.

Hard to win a playoff game. I mean, Tim Tebow won a playoff game. That's hard to explain. But now we're going to do this. Last 10 years. Have you... How about this? Have you won a divisional title in a decade?

Listen, there's no division bad enough where that's not an accomplishment. So have you won a division title in the last 10 years? So let's see here. Now, in Oakland in 2016, you tie the Chiefs for the best record in the AFC West, but you lost the tiebreaker. So Oakland's still in the running for most dysfunctional. But Miami, now Tom Brady may have been hurt. But Miami, 10 years ago, won the division. So let's eliminate Miami.

Still counts. It counts. Hey, injuries are part of football. Sure. Joy, we are down to Bill's, Browns, Raiders. I have a feeling this is going to be like that movie usual suspects. Bruce Willis. You know, you're going to get like a crazy ending.

wasn't that you know it was a six cents six cents yeah well both have ending crazy endings but bruce willis is not okay you're right you're right Kevin Spacey was in there one okay so we're down to bills Browns Raiders here we go okay so you have the franchise quarterback you can't be that dysfunctional right you won a playoff game last decade you can't be that dysfunctional hell you want a division you can't be that dysfunctional so let's go to this how many head coaches have you had this century? 18 years. The Browns have only

had nine bills and Raiders 10 each. The Browns are not the most dysfunctional. If you can't keep coaches and we've got to add up the coaches, the Browns have had fewer coaches than the Bills and Raiders.

We are down now to the two contestants in the most dysfunctional franchise pageant, Joy, your Miami Dolphins won a decade ago a division. They were eliminated, much to the chagrin of Joy Taylor. We are down to Bills and Raiders. Okay.

So what would be the deciding factor, Bills and Raiders? How about this? Did you ever trade away a potential MVP? And with that, I'm sorry, Buffalo. You have not done that. And the Oakland Raiders by trading Khalil Mack Not winning a division Not winning a playoff game

Not having a top 10 statistical quarterback Oakland congratulations John Rudin take the baton The Oakland Raiders Do you have flowers for them? Well What are those things in front of your desk for Halloween? We have a puppy skeleton

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