The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 11/15/2018

Episode Date: November 15, 2018

Colin reflects on LeBron James passing Wilt Chamberlain on the all-time scoring list despite not being known primarily as a scorer. He is wondering why Aaron Rodgers is 2-8 in his last 10 games against other elite QBs. Plus, Greg Cosell of NFL Films talks with Colin about the Eagles struggles and why Dak Prescott needs Amari Cooper. Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. It's a Thursday. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me today and a Thursday tonight. Packers, go to Seattle to take on the Seahawks. Loser, it's an elimination game.

So it's a huge NFL game tonight. Cannot wait to watch my team from the Pacific Northwest against Aaron Rogers. He is rarely in this situation. But I want to start with the Lakers and LeBron. Joy, I went to the game last night. Yes, you said many times yesterday you were going to the game. Yeah. And?

Well, Big J. journalism, always representing now after the third cocktail, it didn't feel like journalism to me. And LeBron did talk to me. But let's not get into that stuff. Right, right, right. It's ironic that I went to the game that LeBron We always compare quarterbacks and we always compare basketball players. To me, it was always obvious, is that Kobe was MJ.

When Kobe came into the league, he almost sounded like MJ. They played like MJ. They had the same games. But LeBron, because he's the only person to ever threaten Michael Jordan is the best player of all time, and I do think analytically it's not close, and I do think he can do far more, far more than Michael ever could. So I have LeBron number one all time. Michael's number two, but they're both great.

But that's not what this rant's about. This rant is about LeBron James has never been Michael. He's always been 30% magic, 30% wilt, and 40% alien. I've never seen anything like him. My two takeaways from watching LeBron in person, number one is, he is so much better than everybody else. A 6'9, 257-pound forward should not also be the best ball handler. And last night the best shooter.

And have the best vision. And be the best leader. Power forwards. We're supposed to physically dominate you. Oh, LeBron can do that. That's what Wilt did. But when you watched LeBron, Damien Lillard's the second best NBA player on that floor last night. And the gap is the Grand Canyon.

times four. Bigger, stronger, faster, last night, a better shooter than the guard. And by the way, if Tom Brady, with all his passion, with all his pre-snap acumen, if Tom Brady had Aaron Rogers' arm, Russell Wilson's feet, and Cam Newton's size, imagine that. That's what LeBron is. LeBron just broke Wilk Chamberlain's scoring records. I want you to think about that.

LeBron's not a score. He's not. He doesn't have an iconic shot like the Skyhook, the George Gervyn Finger Roll. He didn't play with a top point guard to get him freebie points like Caram alone. Michael Jordan's a score. Kobe's his score. They should be the all-time scores. Wilt was a score.

Kareem with a skyhook. LeBron has none of that. He is not the flawless, natural, gifted shooter. He's a 6-9 freight train who has developed into one of the great clutch three-point shooters in this league. So my first takeaway, whenever I watch LeBron, and especially when I watch him in person, he is so much better than everybody else. And the second thing that I've really noticed, the last couple of times I've watched him in person, he's really smart.

The game now comes to him. He only has to put the cape on and save the team. team and go Superman about twice a night. He has these sort of turbo microbursts for two or three minutes. He had him last night. And then you realize, oh, he's taking things over. He's allowing the game to develop, the young players to develop. And then he kind of feels like, ooh, Brandon Ingram just hit a three.

Oh, we just hit a two. Let me take over for four minutes and change the game and win it. But he only does that now at times. He doesn't chase people down for the shot blocks like he used to his first six, seven years in the league. He is super efficient. He doesn't need the 99 mile an hour fastball all but about nine times a game. No wasted motion, no wasted energy. It's brilliant, really.

And not a surprise from the smartest player in the NBA for the last decade or more. Here's LeBron, surpassing Wilt last night. Let's watch. LeBron drives. is foul. Count it. Three throw away. James number five all time on the NBA scoring list. I mean, this guy is passing legends.

That a one-name basis. Unbelievable. Are you playing this great, this leg? By the way, I always felt that Michael Jordan sees a lot of himself in Russell Westbrook. When I think of Michael Jordan, I think of relentless, great athlete, incredibly, insanely. competitive. That's Westbrook. Michael's just a more efficient version of Westbrook. That's why Michael loves Westbrook. By the way, I've always seen LeBron James as a more mature, a more focused, a more driven

version of Wilt. And watching him in person's an absolute pleasure, and my takeaways are always, he is so much better than even even other great players. And my second takeaway is he has now matured so well. He's as great as he's ever been. He just now picks his spots and lets the game come to him. There was one of those little microbursts last night. And they're quick.

He does it two or three times. And he seizes on the opportunity. Portland led for much of the game early. Then they started to falter. Here comes the burst. Right. Here we go. LeBron and James.

Spinning. LeBron James. This crowd is absolutely going nuts. 30% will, 30% magic, and 40% I don't know, incredible Hulk. Let me shift gears to this. Aaron Rogers, tonight, this is another joy. This is another big standalone. major TV game with Aaron Rogers facing one of those contemporary star quarterbacks that we always

put him ahead of Matt Ryan. We always put him ahead of Drew Brees. We always put him ahead of Cam Newton. We put him ahead of Matt Ryan. Many of you put him ahead of Tom Brady. And we get a couple of these a year, these big Aaron Rogers games. And here's what's interesting when Aaron Rogers faces the other great quarterbacks that you always put them ahead of. Brady, Breeze, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andrew Locke, Russell. You always put him ahead of those. It's funny because Aaron doesn't win a lot of those games. Let's take this year. He faced Tom Brady week nine. He lost. And then he faced Jared Gough, week eight. He's one of the great young players, and he lost that one. And then last year he faced Cam Newton off the injury week 15 and lost. And

then he faced Matt Ryan in week two and he lost. He did face Russell Wilson last year at home and won, but two years ago he faced Matt Ryan, NFC championship and lost. He faced Russell, Wilson, and won, and then he faced Andrew Luck and lost and faced Matt Ryan and lost. When is winning going to matter in these big standalone contemporary star quarterback versus contemporary star quarterback?

When's the winning part going to matter? But his defense, it's a left. 11th, first in Sacks, fifth in past defense. Those numbers tonight are even or better than Russell Wilson. When Drew Brees, who doesn't make excuses, faces his contemporaries, the last 10 times Drew Brees has faced, you know, those great quarterbacks, he's six and four. The last 10 times Tom Brady has faced contemporary quarterbacks in that small group. he's 9 and 1

Aaron Rogers last seven years Green Bay's got a losing record on the road 0 and 3 against Russell Wilson in Seattle faces him again tonight I am by no means not saying Aaron Rogers isn't great but God you hold LeBron and Kevin Durant and Tom Brady

Cam Newton and Big Ben you hold all these stars in sports to actually winning games. Hell, you hold them to winning championships, which I, championships is about luck and timing and your coach and your roster. I'm just looking for more Aaron Rogers wins

in the regular season against contemporary star quarterbacks. The guys you always slot him ahead of, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Tom Brady. It's time for some wins. I don't want to hear excuses. They're number one in the NFL in Sacks. Top five pass defense.

Number 11 in total defense, Seattle's 10 by like 15 yards. It's time to start winning these. We hold everybody else, every other quarterback. We hold. Where are the championships? Where the titles? I'm not even asking for that with Aaron Rogers. I'm just asking, you know, when you face these big standing,

alone TV games that aren't always at home and comfortable Lambo, that you have to go on the road for these, that you have to face a team that's also got some good players. I'm just asking that you can win some of these. I'm not demanding Super Bowls. I'm not demanding an FC championships. Fans do. We hold everybody else accountable in sports. LeBron, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Tom, Breddy, Drew Brees, big bet. We hold everybody accountable. Can I just hold Aaron Rogers accountable to win one of these big television games that stand alone against the contemporary quarterback. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. So now you go from like rumors to legitimate rumors to while

something is happening, right? And there have been discussions that Kevin Durant's not happy with, you know, the whole vibe in Golden State. And, you know, you know, you have. heard rumors, but now they're intensifying. Stephen A. Smith yesterday said he's told Lakers lead for Kevin Durant. I don't know that to be true, but he's broken some stories. We also have a source a couple of days ago, an anonymous warrior player saying, Katie is out of here. Now we've got this from Marcus Thompson of the Athletic, according to multiple sources.

Draymond Green reminded Durant, dude, we won without you here. Green let out his frustrations. This is part of the impending exit. So we've got multiple sources. So my first takeaway on this is there's probably some truth to it. These are legitimate people. We don't make stuff up. That doesn't mean guys like me aren't wrong on our sources, but we just don't make stuff up.

And I'm not a reporter. These are reporters often. Their job, their livelihood, their blood, their legacies on reporting stuff. So I trust those. If you're tired of Golden State's dynasty, you should be happy with this, right? if you're tired of the Silicon Valley smugness, the political progressiveness, the smarter than you, Steve Kerr, this is great. Kevin Durant's leaving. And oh, by the way, if he does go to Los Angeles, LeBron and Kevin Durant would crush the Warriors.

It would not be competitive. Two guys in the NBA have averaged over 30 against the Warriors in their career, Kevin Durant and LeBron. And let me tell you something, even when he loses a final, they can't stop LeBron. LeBron is a hot knife through butter against the Warriors, and Kevin Durant would eat Draymond Green alive. And the Warriors would be then led by increasingly brittle Steph Curry, who I love, but he's brittle. You'd now have to overpay for hot and cold Clay Thompson,

low-skilled Draymond Green who plays defense and not much else, and the enigmatic Boogie Cousins would probably sign a deal. Check please. first, second round, it's over. But never forget this. If you don't like cold, move to a warm place. And if you don't like heat, move to Alaska. But don't complain if you love the NBA about dynasties.

Because in the 60s, the Celtics won 11 titles in 13 years. Long before player mobility, we had the most dominant dynasty in NBA history. And then in the 80s, Magic in the Lake, Baird and the Celtics won eight titles combined. And then in the 90s, six of eight years, Michael Jordan's Bulls won. The only time they didn't, he went to play baseball. Then Kobe and Chack won three straight. The Spurs won five and 15 years.

LeBron got to eight straight finals and now Golden State looking for the third straight. This is what the NBA is. This is what the NBA has always been. You do get this as basketball. At the AAU level, there's like six AAU teams in the country that win every year. And in college basketball, there's like six programs that dominate the tournament. And like in the NBA, because you've only got five starters and eight guys in the rotation, basketball relies on the fewest people.

And when you get one or two stars, maybe three that converge, it's over. But it was over in the 60s. And we had dynasties, we had dynasties with Red Arbock and dynasties in the 80s and dynasties in the 90s and dynasties in San Antonio and dynasties in big markets and dynasties in small markets so if we're going to have another one here's my only question Lakers kD lebron you don't like that dynasty tell him out so you're so fascinated with jalen brown and al horford you want that one for seven years oh my bad that sounds fascinating you're so fascinated with Janice, Chris

Middleton, and Eric Bledsoe. You want that dynasty for eight years. Sorry. Not that interested. You're so fascinated with Kyle Lowry, Kowai Leonard, and Jonas, Villan Junis. You want that dynasty for eight years. Really?

Bra, if you go to the steakhouse, order the best rabbi they have. It is inevitable. Basketball at every level is the sport of dynasties because one or two players can dominate the game. If you're given me an option on dynasties, knock yourself out with the Al Horford Gordon Hayward one, with the Chris Middleton one,

with the Kyle Lowry Kauai one, bruh, I'll take KD and LeBron and the Lakers and the Palm Trees one. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. I understand the media. You're looking for stories. I don't even consider myself part of the media anymore. I don't. I am just...

I think J. Journalism's gone? No, I'm doing my own level of journalism. They're doing fake news. I'm doing journalism. Okay. This story is stupid. Headline. Passing stats are up around the NFL, but Tom Brady's are down. Let me continue. Brady's averaging 7.4 yards of pass this year. the NFL average is 7.5. What is he throwing left-handed out there?

The story continues. Brady is completing 65.2% of his passes. The NFL averages 65.1. What is going on? He was the MVP last year. The story is asinine. You ever seen the TV show chopped? It's that food show.

They bring in a bunch of people, and they give you four ingredients. They give you licorice, an avocado. maple syrup and horse meat, and they ask you to make the world's greatest pork chop. Let's just say this out loud. Tom Brady's leading receiver this year is a running back. His slot receivers coming off ACL surgery. His best running back is a rookie who's been hurt all year. His tight ends in his last year and has one touchdown.

And his best deep threat has played sparingly the last five years and joined the team in mid-season. and you'll wonder why Tom's not the leading MVP guy. Folks, Tom Brady this year has beaten Houston. They lead their division. Chicago, they lead their division. Kansas City, they lead their division. Oh, and he beat Andrew Luck and Aaron Rogers.

Are we kidding here? Say it out loud. He's got an old slot receiver off a torn ACL, a tied end with one. touchdown in his last year, a rookie running back who's been hurt all season, his leading receivers are running back, and his best deep threat has personal issues, perhaps some addiction, and has played sparingly the last five years. And you wonder why he's not tearing it up. The media now makes stories up to take shots at the current NFL dynasty. Patrick Mahomes has the best play

designer in the league is his coach, the fastest player on the outside in Tyreek Hill, a top five running back in Kareem Hunt, the number two receiver, Sammy Watkins, is a number one on many teams, and Travis Kelsey's the best tied end. Yes, Patrick Mahomes should be tearing it up. The Patriots receiving leaders are number one, a running back, number two, a guy that played sparingly for half a decade. Number three, Gronk, who Sunday may not play again. Number four, a slot receiver off an ACL surgery

and number five, Chris Hogan who can't outrun me to that camera. Okay. No, no, really, the media. It really is. Not fake news doesn't exist. That's fake news. The guys are real bum. Must be throwing left-handed. I mean, let's be honest here. We're just making

crap up. We are just making crap up. Well, people have been wishing for the downfall of the Patriots and the crack in Tom Brady for many years. So any kind of statistic that can kind of maybe point to the decline is happening. We have two dynasties in football right now. We have the Alabama one and the New England one. The Alabama one's a very easy one to root against. Nick Saban refuses to go on the road out of conference.

Nick Saban plays Citadel three times a year. He could play real teams. Nick Saban always conveniently has a buy before the biggest games. They manipulate their schedule. Now, they're very, very good. But never forget, in his fourth year, he lost three games. And then he stopped going on the road out of conference. Nick's been manipulating the better part this decade.

He has been manipulating the last five years of this dynasty. I'm not saying they wouldn't still be great, but they're manipulated. New England's beating people. They don't make their own schedule. It's not their fault that dolphins can't get their act together. I mean, I'm never going to root against a professional dynasty. College dynasties are easy to root against. The better you are, the more games you win.

The better you are, the better players you get. The coach has too much power. He can manipulate the schedule. Mike Shishowski can totally manipulate Duke's schedule. 30% of the schedule, they can play all games at home. I mean, the big game for Alabama this year was in Orlando against Louisville. Louisville since fired their coach. It was such a mess.

New England beat Houston leads their division. Kansas City leads their division. Chicago leads their division. Beat Aaron Rogers. Beat Andrew Luck. And that's hard for me to hate that. What's up, John Middlecock, from the Three and Out podcast. If you like Colin's show, you will like mine.

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with me, John Middlkoff. Tonight, Packers and the Seahawks play, and my feeling is it's a field goal game, it's an elimination game, it's contemporary quarterback's meeting. Aaron's beaten Russell a couple times. Russell's never lost to Aaron in Seattle, and here we go.

I'd probably coin, flip it, and go with the Seahawks. Let me just say this, though. I don't want to hear any excuses. We all make choices in life. When Aaron Rogers decided to take a $34 million a year deal, he made choices. And the choice is, I'm going to play with a younger team for the rest of my career. And that's okay. Aaron Jones, a very good young running back.

And they've got a couple of really nice young wide receivers and a really good rookie corner. But that's a choice he made. Okay? years ago, Drew Brees took the money. And the Saints went 7 to 9, 7 to 9, 7 to 9, because they couldn't afford an offensive line or a pass rush. And then Drew Brees took a pay cut and got a break. Back-to-back years, the Saints hit it out of the park with two great drafts,

nailed it, crushed it. And that's how they rebounded. So right now, the MVP of the Packers is Aaron Rogers. The second MVP of the Packers is their scouting department. but I don't want to hear excuses about, well, you know, Aaron's really smart. I always say this about people. You can't be brilliant and tell me you're brilliant and then get conveniently stupid. Bill Belichick is too smart to say, yeah, I didn't know anything about filming practice.

Now, you knew filming the Jets was not right, Bill. You knew that. You can't be Bill Belichick and that's smart and then say, you know, no idea was filming the Jets sideline. it. You knew. Deflate Gates a bunch of hooey. SpyGate was real. Can't be as smart. RELAX as Aaron Rogers and then complain about young receivers. Okay. You decided to take that money. And that's fine. I back you on that. But that means you're going to play with younger players. Because free agents don't go to Green Bay to begin with. Now you can't afford them. And that's fine. But right now, Green Bay's got two second year running backs. One's really good. Two rookie corner.

is a second year corner, and that's their new reality. That's what they chose. And Drew Breeze once got a big contract and his offensive line deteriorated and his defense wasn't as good. What you need if you're Aaron Rogers now is for your organization to nail some drafts. And they're certainly capable of it. I love their young receiver. I like their young corners.

I love this Aaron Jones kid second year. But that's what you need. When you pay the quarterback of fortune, you're going to need two years in a row of home runs in the draft. Bree's got it in New Orleans with his GM Mickey Lomas. Cross your fingers if you're Aaron Rogers. Again, they're in Seattle tonight. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. If you like the NFL, if you bet the NFL, if you play fantasy, if you really like football

and want to get smarter, nobody does a better job than Greg Kosel, 30 plus years NFL films and he joins us today. Let's talk about Drew Breeze for a second. The numbers are off the chart. Some of this is rules-driven, 77% completions, 21 TD's one pick. But you look at the film, Greg. Is this the most impressive Drew Breeze season? Boy, he's been, you know, I think the interception thing is really interesting. He's only thrown one. But I think he's always really played like this. He's so good before the snap of the ball. The great quarterbacks in today's NFL, Colin, win before the ball is snapped. They're so good at investigating the defense, researching it, understanding what the defense is doing. And then there's the tempo element. That's a major part of

what the Saints do, selective use of tempo, which is also really helpful because it gets defenses in a predictable coverage. Their offense is really quick timing based. He does not throw the ball down the field very much at all. It's an offense that's based on completions. Getting the ball out, completing passes, staying on schedule, staying ahead of the chains. As good a match-up weapon as there is in the league because of the position he plays. So he's playing at a really high level, but there's a lot of scheming involved as well. Yeah, and by the way, he's clearly coachable because he's smart to understand. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, this is a guy that's really embraced Sean Payton. They're so much fun to watch, and we have him as the number one team in the NFL for three straight weeks. All right, I watched Tennessee in New England. And, I mean, Tom was not throwing on platform. He was rushed. He was uncomfortable. Tennessee now has made Dak and Brady, and obviously one's better than the other, highly uncomfortable.

What did Tennessee do that the Texans' defensive front couldn't do, that the Bears defensive front couldn't do, but Tennessee's defensive front did it? Well, I don't think Tennessee did anything tactically or strategically, let's put it that way that teams don't know about, they just happen to do it really well. And what that is, is they showed multiple front looks, they focused all their pressure concepts, which were also very multiple, up the middle, and they had great success. And Brady was very uncomfortable right from the beginning of the game. And when he gets uncomfortable, he starts to play a little faster, and he doesn't see things as clearly. And that's exactly what happened in this game. And you could

go to the first series of the third quarter, Colin, and that said everything you want to know. It was the second play. They had a blitz. It was what we call a four-man zone exchange. What that means is you only rush four, but one of them is a linebacker or a defensive back. They got in clean. Then on the third downplay, they did the same thing. Another four-man zone exchange, and they ended up with a sack. Those two plays on the first series of the third quarter were totally representative of what the Titans did the entire game. Andrew Luck, I feel I'm so happy that he has protection. It's not a perfect team. They need another, they need a number two receiver. They could use help it running back. The defense just

doesn't, the pass rush is evaporated in the last month. But this offensive line is giving him time to throw. I mean, do you see this when you look at tape and film? Is this a team that feels formidable enough to beat Tennessee this weekend? The win road games. Well, I think they're very interesting in this regard. Number one, we've talked about Frank Reich and the offensive coaching staff, and what a great job they've done with the quick timing, quick rhythm pass game.

Luck is a comfortable player. It's not like years ago when he dropped back and he'd start moving around with those deeper drops, the ball gets out. but I think they're also playing in some ways to what the NFL for some teams has become. Multiple tight-end sets. So when you line up with two and even three tight ends, more often than not, the high probability is the defense will stay with their base personnel. And then when you have athletic tight ends like Ebron, like Swope, like Mo Ali Cox,

players who can line up all over the formation against base personnel, and you can spread the formation as they do at times, you cause matchup problems, and they're really doing that effectively. Yeah, they really are. I don't think any team in the league has more solid tight end. Ebron, by the way, has been a massive get for them. And you probably, because I know you're a big college football guy, you probably remember him coming out of college.

He was highly athletic. It did not quite happen for him in Detroit, but there were people talking about Ebron as if he was that new wave tight end because he could really, really run. I mean, I remember, I think he had a 75-yard touchdown against the U. when he was in college, where he just looked like a big wide receiver who could really run. All right. So, Dak Prescott goes on the road, beats Philadelphia, and I said, you know, I've seen this

with Dak. We all get a sugar rush. It's like, okay, this deck is great. And I always say, it's a little fool's gold. He had a great running game. He plays with a lead. He was more comfortable in the pocket. The secondary for the Eagles was all beat up.

I kind of feel like this Dak win was a sugar rush, and there's always a crash after that. I think a little bit of it. It was perfect circumstances, in my opinion. What do the film say? Study tells you about that pretty much every week. He always leaves throws on the field that are there by not turning it loose because he's not a true anticipation thrower. He needs to feel very comfortable that the receiver's open before he turns it loose. Now, he is an NFL quarterback, so he's going to make throws. You know, he's a starting NFL quarterback. But for the most part, he doesn't have great vision in the pocket, and he waits. He's a waiter. So that will always be a little bit of a hindrance to his game. But I think

getting Amari Cooper will help because he can win one-on-one. And that's the way their offense is built. It's an individual isolation route offense. And Amari Cooper is a really good route runner, and he can win one-on-one. By the way, Philadelphia, one game they've scored over 25 this year. they did it a dozen times last year. It does seem to me that Carson Wentz doesn't get quite the protection up front. They've had injuries on the perimeter in the back field.

Is it just a personnel thing, a scheme thing? What's wrong with Philadelphia's offense? I think it's scheme-based, Colin. Don't forget they lost Frank Reich and John D. Philippo. They have Mike Groves in his first year as a coordinator. You don't see the same staple route concepts and combinations as you did a year ago. Last year you could say, hey, where are the Eagle staples?

and you'd immediately come up with four or five route concepts that they were in every week. And in the run game, we used to talk last year about how diverse and multiple they were in the run game. You don't see that this year. So I think it's more scheme-based because I personally think Carson Wentz is playing very, very well. Oh, so do I. I love Carson Wentz. But to your point, you know, NBA dynasties die because of egos. You know, Kobe Shack don't get along.

NFL dynasties die because you have injuries, free agency, and you lose really good cord. coordinators, and they just don't, they just don't quite feel the same. Now, speaking of feeling sensational, Rams chiefs will put on a show. It was going to be a Mexico City. They've moved it now to Los Angeles. I do feel like, now hear me out, this is weird. I do feel like, not that the leagues figured out the Rams, but the way to beat the Rams is run at them like Seattle did twice, take golf off the field.

and they don't have a wildly complex offense. They just do few things brilliantly well. I like Kansas City in this matchup. Not that the leagues figured out the Rams, but I think we're a little ahead of ourselves on the Rams. They're not the Warriors. They can't mail it in and win games. What is the tape say on these two?

Well, I think it's a fascinating. They're different. Obviously, they're both very good. I would say that the Rams are not that complicated. It's a word I don't like to use, but it's complicated. They line up in 11 personnel on almost every snap, three wide receivers on the field. They run a lot of tight splits. They run the outside zone run game and they run jet motion.

So what they're trying to do is expand the defense horizontally, stretch the defense vertically, create voids in the middle. That's what they do. And they minimize the pass rush with the zone run game. The chiefs, on the other hand, are incredibly multiple with their formations, their personnel, where they line people up. Tyree Kill can line up in the inside slot to trips. He's really hard to defend.

They are far more multiple in what they do. It's not a gimmick thing, but they line people up all over, and that makes it harder to defend. So they're different. Two really good offenses that are totally different. Okay, Seahawks tonight hosts Green Bay. You had talked about Russell Wilson this year being more of a complimentary piece. Last week I watched them against the Rams,

and boy, they had clearly put in several quarterback run situations. They had spotted something with the Rams, not only running the football against him, but Russell, there were several plays, a half dozen where I felt like, even though he dropped back to pass, he really wanted to run the football. You know, like his mind was made up, which I don't know if it's designed or not. You still feel that he's mostly a complimentary piece this year? I do. I think that's their approach.

They've run the ball more than any team in the NFL. they've got the most shotgun runs of any team in the NFL. They're a running team. Now, I thought last week they added some zone read elements to that, and he did have some zone read runs. A lot of his runs came later in the game when they were coming back. If he saw open space, he took it, figuring he'd gain some yards. But my sense is that they want to be a running team,

a physical attitude running team, ideally play good defense, and Wilson can sort of be a compliment to that. I don't think they want him to be a runner as a priority, their offense. Yeah. By the way, Green Bay tonight. Aaron's never won in Seattle.

And I said this the other day, and I'm not sure it's right, but I said it. I said, listen, certain things in the NFL travel well. Running games travel. Running games mean you have extended drives. You quiet the crowd. You take their star quarterback off the field. Green Bay doesn't run the ball, generally, with great acumen over the last four or five years. I think it's very hard to win in this league if you have to throw 38 times.

That's my takeaway why Green Bay last seven years is sub-500 on the road with Aaron Rogers. That's my whole takeaway. Do you buy any of that? I do. And in fact, up until I think this week, Aaron Rogers, on average, was dropping back more than 45 times per game. That's terrible. That's not good for anybody. No, that's not good for anybody. You're right. That's too many. So we'll see how they go moving forward. Obviously, Jones last week had a big game. Aaron Jones. I remember watching him coming out of U-Tap. I don't know if you saw him. No, I did

not. I thought that, and this is going to sound crazy, because who I'm going to compare him to, but only in one regard. I think he was similar to Frank Gore in his ability to get through small creases at the point of attack and then re-accelerate through the second level. And I think that Jones is very, very good at that. And I'd like to see their offense be more balanced. I think it needs to be. Yeah. I think he, Green Base, 42 and 11 when Aaron Rogers throws fewer than 30 times. And they're much closer to 500 when he throws over that.

So to your point or my point, a running game makes everybody better, including Aaron Rogers. Now, everybody loves Sean McVeigh. He's in L.A. They got Todd Gurley. It's the entertainment capital of the world. But I'm watching Matt Nagy in Chicago with Trubisky, a guy I didn't love out of college. I still not sure I love.

I could make an argument. It's way more impressive what Matt Nagy's doing with Trubeski in that offense and those pieces than when McVeigh is doing in L.A. Your thoughts? Well, here's what always sort of bothers me, not about what you just said, but I think that it's the coaching staff's job to put a scheme together that enhances the skill sets of their players. That doesn't mean a player is a system player.

That's the coach's job, is it not? Yeah, no, it is. So, you know, I didn't love Mitchell Trubisky coming out of college either. I don't think he's a purely natural thrower of the football. Gough is a much more natural thrower of the football than Trubisky is. But clearly, scheme-wise, particularly against zone concepts, they do such a good job that it presents

to find throws and reads for Trubisky. And the one thing he's shown, he's a very good seam thrower, and those can be tough throws, but he's made a number of those throws. I'm very anxious to see where this goes, because they've got some weapons. You like their weapons? Well, I really liked Anthony Miller coming out of Memphis. Okay, well, that's your big play of the week.

So give us your play of the week. It's the Bears. All right, let's run it then right now, and we can start it right away. This was a touchdown to Anthony Miller, and it was, obviously, he's wide open when he catches the ball, but there's a reason he's wide open. And what they did here is they ran what we call Trips Bunch. You see three bears there. Alan Robinson is the point man in the bunch.

So now he's being played man to man by Nevin Lawson. So now what you have with the rest of the bunch is you have Tyler Gabriel on the outside, and right now he's being played man to man by Deshaun Shed. And then on the inside, you're going to have Anthony Miller played man to man by quandary Diggs. But what the bunch does is it can cause some problems for how you play this, because you can either play stay in man coverage or play what we call the releases, side receivers, so to speak. So what happens here is you see that Diggs,

to run by him playing the inside release of Taylor Gabriel. So he gives up his man to play the release. Now Deshaun Shed, he doesn't play the release. He stays with his man, which was Gabriel. So Miller's wide open. So they got caught playing bunch. They got caught playing one guy played man all the way through. The other guy played the release.

And they got caught. That's what you try to do, Colin, when you do the trips bunch. You can't count on that happening, but that's one thing that could happen. You get them stuck mixed between playing the man and playing the releases. Yeah. They're clever. I mean, I watch them.

They're clever. I mean, I'll say, again, Trubisky's ball dies to me. He doesn't. You know, some guys... Well, you're right about that. You're right about that. His deep balls lose energy on the back end. Yeah.

No, I mean, his ball dies. And it's like Mahomes gain steam. His dies. Well, that's because he's a locked front leg thrower. He locks his front leg when he throws. and you can't drive the football when you do that. Greg CoSell, great stuff. Fifteen minutes NFL meat sandwich.

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