The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 11/15/2019

Episode Date: November 15, 2019

Colin's tells all Cleveland Browns fans it's time to stop defending Myles Garrett for all of his wild antics especially after hitting Mason Rudolph in the head with his own helmet. Last nights game between the Steelers and Browns proves who owns the AFC division for the rest of this year, the Baltimore Ravens. Colin surprisingly tips his hat to Baker Mayfield for finally taking a step in the right direction by acting like an adult about last nights brawl and one of these two quarterbacks dueling this weekend could end up becoming the future of the NFL - Deshaun Watson VS Lamar Jackson.Guest - Eric Dickerson - NFL Hall Of Fame Running Back Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go in a lively suspension-filled, fine-filled Friday. This is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, I Heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, Blazing 5, my strongest, I swear to you, of the year in one hour. Feel great with my Blazing 5, Joy Taylor from Pittsburgh. Mason Rudolph may have driven her nuts last night for the first three and a half hours. You find yourself defending him after that debacle, that embarrassing league-wide debacle last night.

Let's blame it on the Browns, not the NFL. What did you think? Well, I mean, we're going to discuss that all day. But, I mean, it's a rivalry and tensions are high, but you can never turn the game off. You've got to watch the very last second. You do. And let me start with that. The NFL has come down, breaking news.

Miles Garrett suspended indefinitely out for the year, out for playoffs. So Cleveland thought they won last night. You're still behind the Steelers in the standings. Let me start with this. Stop defending Miles Garrett. Ohio, get off the internet. You've embarrassed yourself long enough in the league for your play. You're embarrassing yourself for defending Miles Garrett.

If I jumped you in a bar and then seven seconds later hit you over the head with a beer bottle, in those seven seconds when I'm on top of you, you have a right to grab me wherever you want and swing wildly to defend yourself. Mason Rudolph was illegally attacked a penalty and then a guy 30 pounds heavier than him jumps on top of it. Miles Rudolph can do whatever the hell he wants for those seven seconds between getting hit illegally, penalty,

and getting hit over the head with a helmet. It's called self-defense. Okay, you knock me down and get on me and you're 40 pounds heavier. I'll scratch, claw, grab any part of you I want. That's called self-defense. That is a right in America, a judicial right. Forget sports. Stop it.

This is 100% on Miles Garrett. You know what this is in baseball? This would be, I'm a pitcher, I throw at you, hit you, rush to the plate, grab the bat, and hit you over the fence. And you're making the pitcher the victim. No, no, no, no, no. Mason Rudolph has a right to self-defense as a 40-pound man heavier. 40 pounds heavier is attacking him.

I mean, Miles Garrett's one of the NFL leaders in late hits and penalties. You don't know if the guy's wired right. After he throws the helmet, he's not. So this is 100% on Miles Garrett. I can't walk up to you, tackle you to Barbie on top of you, and you can't fight back. You grab my eyes. You grab your car keys. You stab me.

You do whatever. That's self-defense. then I grab a bottle and bang you over the head with it. The cops aren't going to come in and go, you know, he's stuck him with car keys in the neck. They're going to go, hey, good move. You got him off you. 100% Miles Garrett. Second thing is there's something called foreshadowing.

You see it in movies. You see it in books. It's called foreshadowing. It's giving clues through a movie. You watch the end of the movie and you go, oh, those were little hints through the movie. A lot of foreshadowing in that game last night. Five or six, helmet-on-helmot hits by the Browns. That was very much Buddy Ryan in the 90s.

That was very much Greg Williams. That was very much a message and a plan going into that game by Cleveland. That's called foreshadowing. The clues throughout the game. Now, Miles Garrett, because all through the game, you're like, are these incidental helmet-on-helmet hits? And then you watch that, the late hit on Mason and the helmet, foreshadowing. This was a game plan. Now, Freddie Kitchens got very defensive about that.

What do people get defensive about? When they're guilty, they get very defensive. Here's Freddie Kitchens, Cleveland's coach after the game on that. I never okayed fights. Did you say that, did you say I okayed fights? I never okayed fights. Did I want them to get after their ass? Yes, I did.

But that's not fighting. That's not after the whistle. But that's between the whistles, yes. I never condoned fighting on a football field because that's penalties. I don't coach penalties. I don't coach false starts. I don't coach after the whistle grabbing somebody's face masks. I don't coach that.

Yeah, either's Greg Williams or buddy Ryan, but there's messages, dads and coaches can send. And there was clearly last night. They're coming to our place. Multiple helmet-on-helmot-heltz. It's a stealer bleeding from the ears. Then the tackle late in the game on Mason Rudolph, game no longer in doubt, then the helmet. Freddie, nobody thinks you went in there and said, grab a helmet and Hit Mason Rudolph.

You don't have to, but there's a culpability and a responsibility as a head coach. Two, as an older man teaching younger men, words matter. And the messaging was clear last night from the opening kickoff. Be dirty and cheap. The third thing is, if Cleveland would have lost last night, Freddie Kitchens would be fired today because GM John Dorsey wants to fire him to save Baker Mayfield, who he should never have taken with a number one pick. and the owner Jimmy Haslam wants to fire him and maybe John Dorsey.

But because Cleveland won, two-game winning streak, chance to make the playoffs. I don't think so, but many do. They won't fire him. But Cleveland does now have an out. They can be martyrs. Freddie Kitchens is done. It doesn't matter what happens. Freddie Kitchens is done.

First of all, they're not getting to the playoffs. They're not beating Baltimore. I don't think they're going to Arizona, beating them. They're a mess. But now they can go, this was outrageous. John Dorsey can go. We are, this is outrageous. This is an embarrassment to the organization.

We do not teach that Freddie Kitchens must go. They would do that today if they lost. They would do it today. They'd have an out. They could be martyrs. But it's Cleveland. Low self-esteem. I mean, listen, there are two games below 500 this morning,

and they're all thinking they made the playoffs already. That's Cleveland in a nutshell. Pittsburgh this morning is, you know, a 500 team, and they think, we got to get our stuff together. You wake up this morning, Pittsburgh's still ahead of Cleveland. Cleveland's already, you know, planning a parade for the playoffs. But Freddie Kitchens would be fired this morning if they lost the game. Because they want him out.

Everybody knows they want him out. But Cleveland knows their reputation. The optics are horrible. They don't want to fire another coach after a Steeler game in the season. So they won't fire him. But now they have the out to fire him. They can be the martyrs. This is outrageous.

This is disgusting. We feel terrible. This would never be condoned. Although clearly the messaging last night, we know what it was. Once again, Miles Garrett out for the year, out for the playoffs. Baseball would do this if you hit somebody with a bat. A helmet weighs what, four or five pounds, whatever it weighs. Inexcusable.

You know, I'm not going to go as far as to call it assault. It's sports assault. Outrageous, 100% in Miles Garrett. I think there was messaging by Cleveland going into that game. And let me then segue to this because Cleveland does deserve one person does deserve accolades. Baker Mayfield. Forget his play. I couldn't give a rip.

After the game, though, last night, he was what he rarely is and what I criticize him for. He was a grown-up, he was adult, he was not emotional, he was bottom line, he was totally spot on talking about that vicious play by Miles Garrett. I didn't see why it started, but it's inexcusable. You know, I don't care of rivalry or not. We can't do that. That's kind of the history of, you know, what's been going on here lately, hurting your yourself and that's just endangering the other team. That's inexcusable. He knows that. I hope he does now. You know what? The reality is he's going to get suspended. We don't know

how long and that hurts our team and we can't do that. We can't continue to hurt this team. That's it's inexcusable. Tip of the Cap Baker Mayfield. That's what quarterback should say. No excuses. Don't blame Mason Rudolph like the idiotic Brown fans. Totally on us. Totally. excusable. And by the way, golf clap to Baker Mayfield, who I'm very critical of, spot on. Inexcusable. But it's not going to change. And this is why Baker's never going to reach his ultimate potential. Baker Mayfield's a lot better than we've seen this year. He's not as good as we saw him at the end of last year against Cincinnati twice. But he's a lot better than this.

But he'll never reach his potential in the NFL. He may make a pro bowl as a backup. But I covered the Portland Trailblazers, Oregonian newspaper called him the jail, Blazers gave him that term because they were so dysfunctional. The reason they were that dysfunctional is because the general manager, a very smart guy who I like Bob Wits that didn't care about character. That was the coach's issue. And Bob would just go find players. The personalities didn't match.

They weren't responsible. They weren't adult. The chemistry stinks. And he would just give it to the coach and say, figure it out. That's John Dorsey. By the way, do you know the Browns actually released a wide receiver before the game last night? Anthony Calloway, knucklehead drafted everybody else passed.

this is what John Dorsey is. So Baker Mayfield's going to have to overcome goofy teammates, immature teammates, teammates, teammates who hit people with helmets, teammates who get thrown off the team before a Thursday night game with the Steelers. This is what Baker Mayfield's reality is. When you have a general manager and I covered one and he was really smart and I think John Dorsey's really smart and Bob Wittitts could see talent,

I'll never deny that and John Dorsey can see talent, but there are these guys that run these teams that don't care about chemistry. They don't care about maturity. And I covered one and Dorsey's one. He doesn't care. He doesn't care. OBJ, by the way, it's not a character

issue, but is a person out. Bring him in for Baker. Kareem Hunt, bring him in. Calloway. Bring him in. Coach will figure it out. Well, maybe that works if you got Pete Carroll or Mike Tomlin or Bill Belichick. It doesn't work if he got Freddie Kitchens, who probably shouldn't even be a head coach. So the reality

to Baker-Mayfield's career, sub-optimal owner, GM that doesn't give a rip-about character, and fourth coach in three years starting next year, because Freddie's done. That guaranteed it last night. He'll never reach his potential. Doesn't mean, you know, Baker's better than what you're seeing. Baker's better than this year. There's no question. But you, Patrick Mahomes is talented enough to overcome. Carson Wentz, Patrick Mahomes, Deshawn Watson. You know, these guys are talented enough. I mean, Andrew Luck, Overcame a pulse of owner, bad GM, terrible line, wrong coach. Baker's not that.

He's not luck. He's not Deshaun. He's not that. He's a fine young quarterback who, with a very competent experience coach, Mike McCarthy, with a very good GM who surrounds him, Chris Ballard, with good character guys, an owner that's not impulsive but patient. You know, Baker could end up with a nice 12-year career, make a pro bowl or two maybe as a backup in the AFC, get to a playoff game or two, win one or two.

Not a Super Bowl guy having to carry a team, but this is what he's going to have to deal with. Last night, did anybody watch that game last night? Did you learn anything about Cleveland? They're the most undisciplined team I've ever seen in my life. Even when they win, you're like, I don't feel good about that. Same with Buffalo.

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We are told here at the herd there's going to be multiple players who left the bench, who left it early. Mason Rudolph, the quarterback, did not get fined, has not been suspended. No punishment for the quarterback, nor should there be. He's the quarterback. This is not every other position. It's the highest paid. It's the most important.

It's the position you don't hit in practice. The quarterback is different. These are not all the same. It's like your ace in baseball. He only pitches every five days and he's on a pitch count. Second baseman, you're sick. Get out there. Quarterback is, do you see this in business all the time?

There are departments in every business and people that have certain access. You don't. Quarterbacks are that employee. You protect them. Once you get drilled late, I don't need any pictures from Ohio guy. Well, Mason Rudolph, grab this. He can grab whatever he wants. He was illegally hit.

He is vulnerable. Quarterbacks can't see it coming. Then somebody bongs him on the head with a helmet. I 100% support all quarterbacks here. They can be blindside hit. They're the most valuable. They're really the least protected. And so I have no, I think the NFL is sending a message.

Don't mess with quarterbacks. Period. In fact, I think if Miles Garrett would have done most of this against another player, maybe a four to six. six-game suspension. This is a message by the NFL. Don't kid yourself. Quarterback, nothing. They got the tape, nothing. Player out, maybe forever. Okay, so Freddie Kitchens in Cleveland, this is typical Cleveland Browns. They came in wanting to send a message. The NFL sent one to them. Your best player out indefinitely. Never mess with a quarterback. And I would be defending Baker

Mayfield today if a Steeler did the same thing. thing. You got to protect these quarterbacks. They're not like everybody else. We don't compensate them the same. They wear a special shield at practice. You can't hit them the same. That's how I've always said this about college football. You can transfer all you want. But I think if you're a college quarterback, you should be able to transfer one time because you put so much irreparable damage if you're bouncing around in and out of programs. And a college coach wakes up one day and goes, I don't have a quarterback. The whole program, you can make it with a bad left tackle. You can't play without a quarterback.

And the other thing I saw last night, you know what I watched? That was a four-hour slog fest between two bad teams. Here's what I saw last night. This is Baltimore's division. It's over. This is Baltimore's division. Baltimore's got the best coach. They got the best identity.

They got the best young quarterback by far. They got the best tight ends. They got the improving defense. Maybe not as good as the Steelers, but it's getting better. They've got experience, a great front office, great scout. They get Marcus Peters. That's what last night. Right, was everybody thinks it's about Steelers Browns.

That game was about Baltimore. Season over, division over. These two teams are not playoff teams. And this is what happens in November and the NFL, is that you can start eliminating teams. You see certain things, certain images, like the Rams against the Steelers. You're like, oh, hell, the Rams interior

offensive line, that's not fixable. Rams are not a playoff team. Out. You watched Chicago two weeks ago against Philadelphia. Bears had one first half first down. Boom, out. They can't play at the next level. against an elite defensive line. And, you know, the NFC's got Phillies line, Cowboys line, San Francisco, Saints line. So you see these indelible images in November.

You can't cancel a team in like September or October. But by November, 9 or 10 games in, problems, they're too late to fix. You just don't have any remedy. You don't have a trade deadline. It's over. These teams are done. Cleveland, here's how bad Cleveland is. That you didn't know Cleveland had this game wrapped up until Mason Rudolph

through his fourth pick. You got 120 yards in penalties. This game at home should have been over. Pittsburgh was on their backup quarterback, their third string running back, and lost their two best, arguable, two best receivers. And it wasn't done until Mason Rudolph threw his fourth pick, because Cleveland's an undisciplined tire fire. And as for Pittsburgh, they're done.

I said this yesterday. It's the AFC. You got Tom Brady. I got Patrick Mahomes. I got Derek Carr. I got Lamar Jackson. I got Deshawn Watson. Mason Rudolph.

I mean, come on. Let's just stop the nonsense. Maybe one of these teams sneaks in, but I don't think so. Tennessee's better. Ryan Tanna, he'll can play a little bit. Oakland's better. Indianapolis has a very... Jacoby Brissette's coming back.

The Chargers, Philip Rivers. These are awful. I mean, listen, I really love Pittsburgh's history. I love their culture. I love... There's so much I like about Pittsburgh. But when you get to November, you can just start canceling checks. I mean, you watch the Rams O line.

You're like, oh, hey, hell you can't fix that. It's too late. You watch Chicago, Tribisky, they can't move the ball with a good D-line in Philadelphia.

That season's over. These teams, this is Baltimore's division. Baltimore's better than, and everything. Identity, O-line, coach,

now secondary, it's over. This was a mess. This was just, I sat there and thought, if I didn't work for Fox, I mean, I was like,

I got to watch this because I got to talk about it tomorrow morning on my show. If I didn't work today, I just turn the game off. Those are not playoff teams. What's going on, everybody? John Middilkoff, three and out podcast. That's me. That's the show.

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Yes. I mean, they're lucky. I mean, Cleveland is, it was a late hit, jumps on top of him, throws the helmet. I mean, it's just an undisciplined mess of a franchise, just a complete, utter mess, 120 yards. Think about that. Cleveland dominated the game last night. Like, dominated the game.

You needed a fourth interception with Mason Rudolph quarterbacking to go at home. Okay, it's ours. You think you're going to beat Baltimore, Arizona, Pittsburgh? They are so – but again, Cleveland doesn't get the best of anything. The best people don't want to work in Cleveland. They don't want to work for the Browns. You don't get the best scouts. You don't get the best coordinators.

It's not the best staff. The best people in the NBA, let's be honest, don't want to work for the calves. They don't want to work for the Browns. I mean, do you think it's a coincidence that the Indians, Browns, you know, cavaliers, if you take LeBron James out of the city of Cleveland, they're mostly bad the last 20 years. It's an old world economy. It's not a place players want to go. It's kind of a St. Louis.

It's kind of a Hartford. It's kind of a Cleveland. It's an old world economy. But, I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's so hard to watch. It's such a mess. Just, again, when you keep, this is, this is something. I don't think people in Cleveland understand.

If the Rams called, you could get the best regional scout in the country in L.A. Because Stan Cronkey's the richest owner, people want to live in Los Angeles. If the Patriots called, if the Steelers called, there are organizations in the NFL that if they call you, you pick the phone up and go, oh, Arthur Blank. You know, you look at the Benson family, Mickey Loomis, Sean Payton, and they called you and said regional scouting director for the Saints. you'd be like, well, I get Sean Payton, I get Gail Benson, I get Mickey Loomis. You know, it's just like anybody else. It's like the best, Tom Hanks gets the best scripts. 99% of actors don't get the best scripts.

They get garbage. You know, they do one episode bit things on TV shows that don't last. The reality is with Cleveland, you'll never get the best people. You'll never get the best scouts. You'll never get the best. They don't want to work for you. That thing last night is just, it's Cleveland. And the fans were cheering.

It's like, now I don't blame fans or fans. I mean, they are what they are. But you just keep running through these coaches. When Cleveland calls, they call agents. Because coaches are all represented by agents. That's the way it works in the NFL. So all the best coaches in the NFL have the best agents, right? That's like Nick Sabin's got Jimmy Sexton.

You know, Urban Meyer probably had like a Jimmy Sexton. Like there's three or four agents. In the NFL, when they call you and ask, would you go to Cleveland? The top people are like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not, not, not interested. So that's what you get. You get bad coaching, bad coordinators, bad assistance. This is a mess.

But that Miles Garrett hit on Mason Rudolph, that should have been a penalty too. I think they just didn't call it because there was five seconds left. Like it was, it was borderline. I feel like it was a penalty. But I think they just didn't throw a flag because the game was essentially over. You know, it's funny because Cleveland won the game. And I think there are some people that think, okay, this is a high point for Cleveland. But just think about this.

just think about the AFC. The two best quarterbacks, the two best young quarterbacks in the NFL are arguably Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. I'm not even mentioning Lamar Jackson. In your own division, Lamar's getting better and Big Ben's coming back. In your own division. And two is going to Cincinnati. And then you have Deshawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes.

New England, Brady's not going to retire. Oakland looks legit. Indie, Jacoby Berset comes back. I mean, it's like this, we have this. Oh, Cleveland's at a high point. Everybody, Lamar's getting better. Deshawn's getting better. Mahalm's getting healthy.

Brady's going nowhere. Big Ben's coming back. Tua's going to end up in your division. The quarterbacks next year are going to be Big Ben, Lamar Jackson, Tua, and Baker Mayfield. This next five-game stretch, that may be your Mardi Gras. That may be as good as it gets because I don't see next year. I mean, let's ask you, Joy, if I asked you this morning.

Okay, Big Ben returns. Next year, who's favored in the AFC North? It would be Baltimore. Yeah, Baltimore. Who will be picked second? Steelers. So this year, this was the year. No, this was the opportunity.

Big Ben's out. You know, Big Ben's back, and Lamar's better, and Deshawn's better, and Patrick's healthy, and Brady and Belichick are great, and the Raider thing, Derek Carr's good, and two is going to go in your division. I mean, it's not dramatic. The Browns are just going to go back to being exactly what the Browns are all the time. Irrelevant. And not even as much fun as.

Cincinnati because two is going to be fun. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeard radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Let me go to one game in particular. Lamar Jackson against Deshaun Watson. I like the Texans in this game.

I think Lamar Jackson's a great kid, a great story. This is what's interesting about football. We forget this all the time. Lamar Jackson comes into the NFL. he's got a better coach right now than Deshaun Watson. He's got a better offensive line. He's got a better star running back. He may have a better defense, probably does, better secondary.

Baltimore is a better organization structurally with better players. They have better tight ends than Houston. Lamar Jackson's inheriting a really good roster and a really good organization, and he's been good. He's a coachable kid. He's working his butt off. And they're doing some things schematically that's taking the legal. little while to pick up on. And they're getting better and better because they draft well.

To me, Deshawn Watson is Andrew Luck. I just crossed my fingers. He survives. He's Andrew Luck. He comes into the NFL, impulsive owner, bad GM, wrong or a coach we don't love, and a terrible offensive line. And Andrew Luck and Deshawn Watson win 11 games and win their division. It makes no sense.

And they can't win games in the playoffs because, you know, they're not that good. They're saving the franchise. Deshawn is Andrew Luck. Hurt, had to take a bust last year to a game. He really is. He is so uniquely gifted like Andrew Luck. And I've said this before.

Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers could not overcome what Deshaun has the last couple of years. Deshawn's Andrew Luck. Lamar's good. But there's a lot of Kaepernick with Lamar. He's got Harbaas as a coach. He's got Greg Roman as a coordinator. It is a power running team built around him with our feeling that, and for the record,

Kaepernick beat Green Bay twice. Kaepernick got to a Super Bowl. Don't kid yourself. I got fooled by Kaepernick. For two years in this league, I would go on the air every day and go, I think that's the future of the NFL. So now I'm a little reluctant to go with Lamar Jackson.

That's the future of the NFL. I think the future of the NFL is Deshawn Watson. Great athlete can make plays, is a wizard, but eventually sits in the pocket, throws the ball, good high school, good college, good pro, good thrower. So when I see Deshawn Watson, I see Andrew Luck. When I see Lamar, I see a little of Kaepernick.

And in the end, I always felt luck, as long as he could stay healthy. It's a 15-year run. Kaepernick, I kind of felt fooled on him. Now, I do think Lamar has a more, throws the ball. How would I say this? Capernick had a huge arm, but the joke was everything was a fastball, had no touch. Screen pass, throw it through a battleship. Where I think Lamar's got better touch.

I think he's very coachable. I think he's got some leadership stuff. Kaepernick doesn't. But I like Houston in this game. And I said this yesterday. Deshawn Watson, here's another reason he's Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck came into this league and because he had the neck beard and he had a book club and he didn't have a person now.

He didn't talk. All these other young quarterbacks, RG3, we fell in love with. And I'm like, now Andrew Luck's the good one. Deshaun Watson comes into this league. Mitch Trubisky in the same conference gets drafted over him. His coach starts Tom Savage over him. Then Patrick Mahomes comes in and we talk about, him more. And now just about the time we want to put her arms around Deshawn Watson and go,

man, you are so good. You know, it's Lamar Jackson, guys, unbelievable. Like Luck and DeShon, can we just put our arms around them? They're doing what I don't think other people can do. I don't think anybody else in my lifetime, maybe Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and DeShon Watson, Houston doesn't have a GM, India had the wrong one, coach we don't love, battle line, no running game, and you look up and they're winning their division. Tom Brady can't do that. I don't think Aaron Rogers can do that. So I like Deshawn this weekend. I like Houston. I think they're real good. And I'll tell you this.

We all banged on this organization when they went and got Laramie tonsil and gave up too many picks. That old line now, left side, it's a real old line. They've quietly, they have a real running game. So Deshawn now's got a left tackle and real NFL running backs. I know you all have Baltimore in the Super Bowl. I'd strongly consider Houston. I'd strongly consider it. To me, this morning, you know, Patriots Houston, I totally buy that.

I think we're a little high now on Baltimore and we've forgotten Houston and Deshaun Watson. And by the way, it's not that I don't like Lamar, I do, but they're doing some stuff schematically. Greg Kosell talked about it yesterday. The league is kind of trying to figure out Baltimore. Like everybody's figured out in New England. They can't stop them. You can figure out Aaron Rogers and Mahomes.

You can't stop them. Baltimore's doing some stuff schematically, which is new. And people are kind of trying to figure it out. Here's Greg Kosell. It's very low risk, but extremely hard to defend. They play with multiple tight ends a lot. So what do defenses do? They line up with their base personnel, which means they have bigger, slower people on the field.

And now they run their offense, the Ravens, this multiple run-dimension offense that spread you out horizontally. So I'm curious what defensive coordinators will do going forward because they're playing with slow people against Lamar Jackson. Yeah, interesting stuff. Can't wait for that. My favorite game to watch this weekend. I'll take the Texans to win that game outright. I don't think it's a big upset,

and I think we're undervaluing Houston right now. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. By the way, Eric Dickerson and I have something in common. He didn't eat before a game, and I don't eat before a workout because I feel fast. I feel light. I always felt light. I never eat before I work out, so I fly around the gym.

You fly around the gym. Okay, so can you explain to me? You've been in fights. Yes. Okay, you were feisty. So Miles Garrett takes his helmet off. Explain what a football player's thinking. Well, first of all, you got to understand.

You go into a game, to a game. It's all about context. It's about hitting. You know, you hear him, hit him, kill him, knock him out. You know, that's the mentality. You have a game that is a very, very, a game. that is a very violent game. You have a game that is a divisional game.

They don't like each other. And, you know, Mason Rudolph, I've tried to, you know, grab his helmet after the sack, you know, pull his helmet off. And, you know, he's already mad because, you know, you're just, that's how football is. You're hyped up. And all of a sudden, you know, he jerks his helmet off. And I have to give David DeCastro credit.

I don't think anybody's really said much about this. What he did, he's really saved both of them. because he tackled Miles Garrisoned him. He just kind of held him down like, hey, man, settle down. Like, settle down. The only one that he was going to listen to at that point was one of his teammates are someone like a David DeCastro who was, like, look at it. He's holding him down like, hey, just just, he's not even punching at him.

But you lose your cool. I mean, you do. Did you ever lose your mom? Most definitely. I lost my cool before, but not like this. I mean, I would never pull my helmet off. That's chin strap, better for his strap. That's your moneymaker.

That's it. That's it because we had to fight with the jets. And John Robinson said before the game, look, if Gasco gets a sack, it gets a sack, don't you let him do that silly dance. And you got it on Jackie, and Jackie pushed him, and the fight was on. I mean, both bitches. I don't know what happened to Jackie. Stay after he's on the ground somewhere.

And we're fighting everywhere. It's fights everywhere. I mean, see, we're fighting. I mean, and both bitches came out of the feet. Oh, my God. Where are you? I'm there somewhere. I had a defensive back somewhere.

and then I can't think of his name. So your coach said, don't let him do that dance. Don't let him do that. Okay, there you are to the left. Yep. I went on a route. Well, there's Vince Farragamo. Because I was down field by the DB, so when they started, I grabbed the defensive back was holding him back.

Oh, look at that. And we're fighting. I mean, it was fines everywhere. And so, by the way, it's just mayhem. You've been in that. It's mayhem. It's mayhem everywhere. See, back in those days, they're showing the fight.

Now they try to cut away from the fight. I mean, because you don't want to have that image of the night. National Football League fighting. Right. Right. But that stuff is going on. It still goes. What about Mason Rudolph? A lot of people want him suspended. I think a quarterback should be protected. Here's the thing. I said this. If I walked into a bar and I jumped on you and I was bigger, and then in eight seconds, I hit you with the beer bottle. In the eight seconds between I jumped

on you and the beer bottle, you have a right to gouge my eyes. You're defending yourself. Yeah. I got a guy that's 45 pounds heavier on me. I'll grab your stuff. I'll do. I'll do whatever I got to do. So to me, Mason Rudolph, I'm going to give you a lot of latitude. If a big guy hits you late penalty, jumps on top you, pinch you down, I'm going to give you latitude on that. Well, Mason Rudolph, you think say he started. He didn't start it. I mean, look, I'm going to say again, this is football. This is a rough, tough sport.

He grabbed Garrett's helmet, trying to pull his helmet off. That kind of started it all. Well, the late hit started it all. Yeah, but, well, yeah, I mean, yes, yes, it did. You're right. It started off. But that's what got it kicked off. But when you get into a fight in a football game,

you're not thinking about the ramble. You're not thinking I'm going to get suspended. You know, I'm hurting my team. You're thinking about I'm fighting. I don't care what nobody says, what nobody does. Only people that really can control you would be your teammates. And in this case, it's not even his teammates. It's David DeCastro that held him down.

And really, I think about this could have turned out very tragic. I mean, he could have hit him in the forehead and killed him or hit him in the side of his head and killed him with that helmet. Well, that's why the suspension, by the way, is indefinite. The NFL is going to, you're out for the year. We may keep you out till next year. Right. Like, even in the fight we just showed with you guys,

I mean, you're just throwing punches. We see fights almost every week. This was a weapon. Yeah, I mean. Like a baseball bat. If I threw it your head and then came after you with a bat. Like, it's funny, baseball, you would be so ostracized as a baseball player if you used a bat and a player. I don't think players would ever let you in.

In football, No, it happened in baseball, and I think in the 60s, it happened. It did, and that guy was, Juan Marischel. Yeah, it happened. Right. But I think that player was so ostracized. I don't remember the repercussions. But in football, there is violence.

So I think players will support Miles Garrett eventually, but I think it's best to get him out of the league right now. Well, I think he has to sit the whole season out. You know, I think what would happen is once he said, because Miles, look, Miles is not that guy. He's not a dirty player. Oh, no, no, he's not a dirty players. And he's not a dirty player.

A lot of late hit penalties. You know, the late hit penalties are because how the league has changed. When I look at some of the penalties, they call late hits on him, the guy is throwing the ball, and they want the defensive player to stop in his tracks. Stop your momentum. Don't hit our precious quarterback. You know, hey, he's on a football field. He's got to get hit sometime.

I mean, I know they don't want to hit him, but you got to hit him. And I don't like the cause way to protect the quarterback. What about the pro running back? Protect us. So you can't say none of that, can you? Let me ask you about this. So you said John Robinson, who I don't know but watch for years, you said Robinson said, don't let Gaston

do that silly dance, go after him. Here's what I said. When I watched. He didn't say go after him. He didn't say go after him. He just said, don't. He said, don't let him do that silly dance. We knew what that meant.

Okay, you knew what to me. So Freddie Kitchens last night, four helmet-to-helmot hits by Cleveland. It felt real buddy Ryan to me. Then the Miles Garrett thing. Do you think Freddie Kitchens should be their coach? Well, you know, that's not my job. But when you watch, what do you see?

I see a team that's really in disarray, very dysfunctional. That's a good word, disarray. Yeah, I see that. I mean, you have to have, you have to have discipline. I mean, and you don't have to do it in a form of like, I'm the head coach and you're the players. You don't have to do it like that. You know, you have to respect is earned is what it is.

It's earned. It's like discipline. It's something that, you know, you, you, you, You work at, you earn it. You know, I want my players to be disciplined. You would never see nothing like this in New England. You just wouldn't see that. You wouldn't see it in L.A.

You don't see it with the Colts, by the way, because they respect their coach. You respect their coach. I mean, this is a young coach. I mean, and so I just feel like they got so many different personalities on this Cleveland Browns team. You got, you know, you expect so much. Now, I say this much, if the Cleveland Browns right now were 8 and 1,

and even this would have happened, They said this would have happened. You know, they wouldn't be talking about Freda Kitchen's job at all. It wouldn't even be a... Oh, I think this got him fired. I think they don't want him there. And Eric, this is an easy out. Cleveland at the end of the year can say,

we were so embarrassed by it. It was so not us. We believe we have... I think they can be a martyr. Watch Cleaver. You know Cleveland doesn't want him there. You know John Dorsey knows. He doesn't want him there.

I think, well, I think this signals the end, win or lose. Okay, let's move to this. Okay. You have a relationship with the Los Angeles Rams. A lot of finger pointing at Jared Goff. Does he deserve it? Some of it, yes, he does. I mean, right now, he has 14 turnovers.

He has 9 and 17. You can't turn the ball over 14 times in 9 games. You have to take some of it. I mean, it's no different from myself. I always go back to the game. I played against the Washington Redskins. In the play, I have three turnovers and the playoff. I feel like I lost that game.

I put it on me, but you have to take some of it. But you have to put someone to head coach too, Sean McVey. Because look, we know that our offensive line is beat up. Our offensive line is not what it is. But you have to put your quarterback in a position to succeed. And you have to run the football. We don't run the football. I'm sorry, we just don't.

I mean, we are a running football. I feel for Todd Gurley. I'm frustrated for him because I know he wants to run the ball. You don't see Zeke splitting time. You don't see McCaffrey splitting time. You don't see Sequin Barclay spending time. As a running back, you have to get into a rhythm. It's all about a rhythm.

You know, you got, when you're carrying the ball 12 times, six times, eight times, you can't get into a rhythm doing that. People say, oh, Todd's not the same. If you carried the ball 12 times, what you want, you want him to rip off a 60-yarder, you know, on every caries? You always say, do you like 25 carries? I like 25 carries. I'm into it now.

I'm into it. I mean, I could take it. I mean, that's what you want. I think Todd liked the ball, at least 20. It's just say he rushed the ball, ran the ball 20 times and caught five or six passes. That's, he's in a rhythm. All of a sudden, you're out of the game, you're back in the game, maybe six series later, four series later. How do you get into a rhythm?

You can't get into a rhythm. I say some of this has to come on Sean McVeigh. I mean, you have to find a way to get your best player, which is Todd Gurley, into the game. Even though the offensive line is beat up, you have to be committed to the run. It's a commitment. San Francisco, they're committed to the run. Seattle are committed to the run. Last night, the Cleveland Browns are committed to reign the football.

We have no commitment to the run. We are a passing football team. And no, I call it like I see it. You have to put some of this on our head coach, Sean McBay. And our offensive line is beat up. It's not the same. But if you're the head coach, you have to come up at a wood of way to help our quarterback out. I mean, he is what he is.

And we know that. I mean, he's not that guy that's going to be... He's Matt Ryan, he's not Deshaun Watson. That's exactly. He's not a guy that's going to run out the pocket and going to run to the... He's not. He's a guy that can... He might can move right to the left a little bit,

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