The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 11/16/2018

Episode Date: November 16, 2018

Colin points out that Aaron Rodgers simply doesn't win on the road or against other good QBs yet everyone defends him and blames somebody else. He thinks Kevin Durant keeps proving that he needs the Warriors more than they need him. Plus, former Packers WR Greg Jennings talks about the culture in Green Bay and why the Packers are struggling so much Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor is joining me. I said yesterday, I loved these Thursday night games. I had so much fun last night. I was on The Angry Bird tweeting all the time. Everybody's throwing stuff. How are you? I'm great. Good morning. Good morning. It was, you're getting by the holidays. I was sitting down.

It was kind of chilly last night, having a bowl of soup, watching that football game on Thursday night on Fox. It was an absolute blast one hour from now. My blazing five picks, as strong of picks as I've had all year, my blazing five picks coming up in an hour. You know, we know, right, that Aaron Rogers is great. Like, I say it all the time, but I'm seen as a Rogers hater because I'm really the only mainstream media person, print TV, or radio. Skip Bayliss is pretty tough too that occasionally mentions, you know, he's not perfect. And I also see this with Russell Westbrook. But even though I acknowledge he's one of the few people I'd pay to see in the NBA, Aaron Rogers fans have become Russell Westbrook defenders.

That they're so spectacular. They're so amazing. Their great is so great that we fall in love with the beautiful and we gloss over the, why don't they win more? And I get falling in love with beautiful. You walk into a room and she's the most beautiful woman you've ever seen. I get it. I get falling in love with beautiful, but there better be more or it won't last. And I get walking into a room and he's the biggest honk and charming, but there better be more or it won't last.

I get falling in love with his arm, the handsome, I get it. And the losses are always somebody else's. fault. This morning, it's us the defense. Green Bay leads the NFL in Sacks. They had five last night. Their secondaries loaded with really talented young players. It ain't the defense. Defense got tired at the end because of the offense kept punting. So let's go to, now it's Mike McCarthy's fault. So let's go to the two plays. Everybody's blaming Mike McCarthy. Number one is he didn't challenge the Lockett catch. How could he not challenge that catch by Lockett for the Seahaw? You got to challenge that. Well, two things.

I thought it was a catch. I wouldn't have challenged it either. Troy Aikman agreed with me. He thought it was a catch. Mike Pereira agreed with me. He thought it was a catch. And the other thing, it was a first down play. It wasn't like it was a fourth down.

If you challenge it, overturn it, it's your game. It was first down play. It was a first down play. So if you were racing anyway, this is a second down. That's the first thing. Second thing is, well, how come McCarthy didn't go for it on a fourth down? I wouldn't have gone for it either. I wouldn't have gone for it either.

By the way, it was 4-20. left in the game. You had a timeout and a two-minute warning and you were at your own 33. Even if Seattle gets a first down, you got the two-minute warning, you get the ball back on the minute. That's all Russell, that's all Aaron Rogers needs. Aaron Rogers needs a minute five, 58 seconds, a minute. We've seen it 100 times. He didn't need three minutes. He didn't need four minutes. He didn't need two minutes. Green Bay said, listen, if we fail on this fourth down, and by the way, the reason they got into a fourth down because Aaron Rogers skipped a ball to a wide open receiver.

And on that drive previously, he had a wide open receiver on first down, but held the ball looking for the home run. Even Troy Aikman talked about it. He pulls it back and now throws it away. Well, I'm not sure exactly what's going on. They got one-on-one outside, and Rogers had some time. He had Aaron Jones right in front of him,

right over the ball. I don't know if he just simply couldn't see him or not, but you can't ask for a whole lot more. Aaron Rogers. And now this one incomplete. Not a good possession there for Aaron Rogers. First down, he had a chance for an easy completion over the ball. Third down, an easy completion in the flat for a first down. He misses wildly. It's not the defense. That's not, not Mike McCarthy. I don't want to hear that. That's the drive of the game. That's it. That's on Aaron. By the way, he's now two in 10 in his last 12 against all these quarterbacks. You tell me he's better than.

Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Tom Brady. He's 2 in 10. Jared Goff. You keep telling me he's better than all these guys. I got to get more wins. Brady's last 10, he's 8 and 2, 9 and 1 against those same contemporaries. I'm not being unfair here. I'm not being unreasonable.

I'm not saying Aaron Rogers has to win Super Bowls. I'm not. I've never said that. I'm not saying even Aaron Rogers has to get to Super Bowls. I'm not saying that. I'm not even saying Aaron Rogers has to get to the NFC championship like Brady every year. I'm not saying that. I'm saying, dude, got to win more of these regular season games against your contemporaries,

against the guys as good as you that I keep being told, you're better than. By the way, Aaron Rogers this year has beaten Mitchell Tribiskey, Josh Allen, C.J. Bethard, and Brock Osweiler. Guys who are mostly backups. His losses are to Alex Smith, Matt Stafford, Jared, Gott, Gott, Brady, and Russell Wilson. All I'm asking for. just a few more Ws against the elite quarterbacks.

I'm not being unreasonable here. By the way, Aaron Rogers last two fourth quarters against Brady and Russell Wilson. 42% completions, 82 yards, 62 passer rating, and no touchdowns. Let me guess. That's the defense's fault. That's McCarthy's fault. McCarthy's brilliant first

three quarters, then he's terrible in the fourth. Is that it? Troy Aikman's not a guy that likes to criticize quarterbacks. He doesn't. Troy Aitman knows his words are powerful. That last drive, you're all caught up in McCarthy and the defense didn't stop the Seahawks. That defense was tired because you kept punting. The Rogers fans have become Westbrook fans.

You are so enamored with the spectacular, and it is spectacular. And I would not deny that. And he is an all-time talent, and Westbrook's an all-time NBA player. Not denying that. And I get falling in love with beauty. But you better have more. more than that. Or this is the result, once again, on the road, against a good team, against a contemporary

quarterback, somebody that is of your level, though I've been told over and over, you're better then. All right. By the way, I have, in less than 10 minutes, I have something that I've never heard said, a fascinating statistic that Favre and Rogers have, they're way more. similar than you think. But let me shift to this for a couple minutes. Last night, Carmelo's been shipped out of town for Houston.

So Houston now doesn't have the Carmelo in the locker room. Oh, that's interesting. Carmelo's out of the locker room for 15 minutes. And James Hardin scored 27 and the rockets were out of Warriors. Isn't that interesting? The rockets, the second they get rid of Mello, they're right back on track. and also the Warriors, after a couple of days without Steph Curry, they appear to be falling apart again.

They're two and three this year without him. And after the game, Kevin Durant with no Steph Curry around to lead the team. Kevin Durant, predictably sensitive, starts getting prickly. Kevin was having another game to play and having some dialogue. How do characters how things are with you? Don't ask me about that again. So two takeaways in this game. I'm going to talk about one.

First takeaway is mellow leaves. Another team gets better immediately. I don't want to talk about that, though. I want to talk about the Kevin Durant thing. Steph Curry's gone for a week, two weeks, and the team's falling apart. Once again, we have a trend and a truth. This is Steph Curry's team. Kevin Durant is a great player, and I am not denying that for a second.

He is a talent, but he's not the man. Arod was a talent. Jeter was the man. Hardin is a talent. Steff is the man. By the way, since Kevin Durant joined the Warriors and has missed games due to injury, they're 24 and 3 without him. Kevin Durant is sensitive to a fault.

He is not a leader. It's still Steph's team, and that drives the hell out of him. You would think, after all these years, we'd figure it out and stop comparing him to LeBron. But these warriors offer things to Kevin Durant. We think Durant's going to leave the team and go wherever he wants. He needs Golden State way more than he thinks. Because Golden State provides two or three things to Kevin Durant he's not built for. Steph Curry runs the show.

Kevin Durant's not built for that. He's a score. He's a talent. A Rod's a hitter. He's a talent. But Jeter is the rock of the team. Steph is the rock. Kevin Durant's not the rock.

Steph provides that buffer. Second thing is, Draymond Green is tough and provides the muscle. Kevin Durant can't do that either. Again, Kevin Durant needs Steph to be the rock of the franchise, the leader. He needs Draymond Green to be the muscle. And frankly, he needs Steve Kerr to be the emotional lubricant, constantly talking KD off a ledge. There is a huge gap between talent and leadership.

LeBron just needs a ball. Kevin Durant needs muscle. He needs a rock. He needs social lubrication. The guy's on TNT said it last night. Let's listen. There's two options for Kevin. You either want to get the money or you want to win more championships.

There ain't nothing to talk about it. Well, if they win a championship, they're going to sign him. You don't, you know, he gets to make that choice. He's not going to where. What he's saying is, there's impossible. He can't come up with the name of a player who is won a championship and then left. And said, I got to leave. Well, if somebody on your team pissing you off, you will.

No. way, man. You're kidding me, man. Like a baby. So you don't think Kevin Durant is probably the most sensitive superstar we've had to league in a long time? No, I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

I do believe that. Okay. That game last night provided two takeaways. Mello is a locker room cancer. He leaves. They're immediately better. They've solved their issues. And it also proved that once Steph leaves, the longer he's gone,

sort of the bigger emotional. mess the warriors become. They purchased Kevin Durant's talent, and that's what he brings to the table without argument. But he needs the warriors more than he thinks. They provide three things he can't.

Leadership, muscle, and emotional stability. He is the most sensitive star ever. And it's on display a few days after Steph Curry is hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific

on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. I believe everything happens for a reason. I'm not overly religious. I think I don't believe in fate. If you're broke at 55, look in the mirror. It's not somebody else's fault. If you're on your sixth divorce or your 13th job, look in the mirror. It's not somebody else's fault. There's a reason for everything. If something happens over and over year after year, decade after decade, it's not happenstance. It's not luck. There's a reason for everything. And generally, we're the reason.

We're at fault. So once again, Aaron Rogers lost on the road. This year, they're 0 and 5 on the road. Not all the games have been easy, so I'm not saying that. But Aaron Rogers is too good to struggle on the road. And this is fascinating. Aaron Rogers now has a losing record on the road. What?

Excuse me? Aaron Rogers has a losing record on the road. Let me give you quarterbacks who have a better road record. We could blame Mike McCarthy. We can blame the running game in the defense. But Michael Vic, Andy Dalton, Tony Romo, did they always have great running games, great offensive lines? They all have a better road record than Aaron Rogers. That makes no sense.

There is a reason for it. I get a bad year. I get a bad stretch. This is a minimum 30 games career. And what's fascinating is Brett Favre also had a losing road record. How can two of the top 10 quarterbacks of my life, Joe Montana won 75% of his road games, Brady over 70. How can they have, they're nothing in common. This cannot be connected.

They have nothing in common. I mean, one's a good old boy from the South and one's that California cool, aloof guy. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Aaron Rogers has become Brett Favre. I want you to think about this. They're both gunslingers. Both won a Super Bowl early

and have struggled to get back. Both are legendary adlibers, home run hitters, big arms, stubborn, above average mobility, multiple MVP's, beloved by the media, iconic armed talent of their generation, both are 6-2-225, I'm not making it up, and both play hurt often. And neither's good on the road. Makes no damn sense.

You can't be as good as Brett Farb. You cannot be as good as Aaron Rogers and have a worse road record than Alex Smith and Tony Romo and Michael Vic and Cam Newton and it doesn't make any sense. Oh yes, it does. Folks ask yourself, when you go on the road, ever gone to Europe, cross-country, taking the kids, what's really important on the road? You can get away with this at home. But on the road, you've got to be organized.

You go to Europe with your kids. You've got to be organized. that maybe stubborn, ad-libbing, do it my way, big-arm talent, seeking home run, is not a good road recipe. Maybe on the road more coachable, death by a thousand cuts, more singles and doubles. Don't allow sacks. Don't allow them. Don't get the crowd worked up on the road. You can have those home runs.

You're better. Here's guys who are really good on the road. Breeze, Brady, Montana, Alex Smith, death by a thousand cuts. Is it possible that Rogers and Fav, gunslingers, share much more in common than we think? I would argue they do. On the road, be it a dad, a mom, a quarterback, organization, singles not home, run. avoid chaos, even at the risk of a few less home runs, works better. It works better.

Stability, coachable, death by a thousand cuts, singles and doubles, wins on the road. Home runs, crowds into it, get people worked up, take more risks, add lib is great at home. it doesn't serve you as well away from home. We think Farr and Rogers are, there's no similarities. Good old boy from the South and kind of aloof dude from Cali. But they become each other. Statistically, personality, ad lib, stubborn, my way,

rely on the home run, arm talent, and continue to lose games they should win for their talent on the road. Be sure to catch live editions of the, Heard weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. All right, let's go be the Coward Global Satellite Network. The former Packer, Greg Jennings is now joining us. Okay, it's another road game, and it's another struggle. I want to, I'm not going to blame anybody.

All I've ever said is, Aaron deserves some of the heat. Even Troy Ackman said it last night on that final drive. He skipped a ball. I don't think McCarthy's Sean McVeigh. The defense let him down at the end. But let's just be honest, Greg. He did not have a great final. drive. Is that fair for me to say?

100% fair and 100% accurate. We all witnessed that game and that final drive. And it wasn't the Aaron Rogers that we thought we would see. And I think this is what people have to understand about a guy like Aaron Rogers. Is he great? Absolutely. Would I take him as one of the best quarterbacks to ever play this game? Yes. But he thrives on off-schedule plays. Yes. That's always been who he is. So when you have have a, as simple as that one, two, three step out route was, he never, that's never been his strength. He can do it better as best as all the rest of the guys, but he doesn't do it as frequently.

So sometimes you are going to get those errant throws because he, that's not the way he goes about his business. He's an off-scheduled guy who enjoys and likes to extend plays, which adds pressure on defenders and forces them to cover a little bit longer, which creates a higher opportunity for penalties down the field and the passing game. So it wasn't shocking, but it is a little alarming if you're the Packers.

Two issues, and I've said this, Aaron gets hit a lot. The two quarterbacks in the league that takes shots a lot, Cam Newton and Aaron, but Cam is built for those collisions, 6-6-25. Aaron's 6-2-15. He's going to be 35. He just got done wearing a brace.

there were three or four times last night. You talked about unscheduled plays. Is it time? I understand it's cool to drive a motorcycle, but at some point after the third wreck, it's time to buy a car? Is it time for Aaron to be a little more of a pocket guy going forward? Because last night he got smoked three or four times.

Well, he talks about playing until he's in his 40s. And I just don't see it happening if he remains as mobile and outside of the pocket heavy as he has always been throughout his career. As long as he wants to play, he's going to have to start confining his game and fine-tuning his game to where he can stay within the pocket and he can literally dissect you within the pocket, which he's fully capable of doing. Yes, absolutely.

Yes. But he does not like to stay within that for whatever reason. He's more comfortable, more electrified. more exciting outside the pocket. Yeah, I think it's a great point. We had somebody on this week that said, and they love Aaron Rogers, they said, Brady's won Super Bowls with these like death by a thousand cut drives, would Aaron be patient enough in his Super Bowl to do that?

He is so great. You know, it's almost Chris Carter. Chris Carter, the great Chris Carter said this once to me. It's almost biblical. If you were born with a great singing voice, you're going to want to sing in the shower, in your car. If you had an arm like Aaron Rogers, Greg, you'd want to. to show it off, wouldn't you? 100%.

Again, this is, I remember playing with the Packers and hearing some of the comments from opposing defensive coordinators. And their mission was, or their game plan was keep everything in front of him, force him to take it down the field, dinking and dunking, taking checkdowns, taking the 10-yard hitches and all these passes that you can live by. but you can bend but not break can't will he continue to do that no Aaron is going to want to throw the ball down the field yeah show off that arm and that's his strength yeah but he he also I think he what he has to understand and he knows this is that as long as the ball is in my hand and I can

execute and dissect you five yards here six yards here seven yards you're going to be successful I I thought last night the Packers did a horrible job of going away from Aaron Jones, whether it was in the running game or in the past. So did I. He was where I totally agree. Okay, I got to hit on this thing too. This thing bothers me. People think I reach for this. But I do believe you can talk without talking. Your mannerisms, your eye rolling. I call it the death stare. Aaron Rogers, when he signed that new contract, his teams are going to be younger this point forward. They can't afford big free agents, and Green Bay has never been a free agent destination. Aaron doled out about three death stares last night to those young receivers. I think it matters.

I think it creates resentment. You and I think have talked about this before. He did it again last night. This is something I think he has to work on a little. People say I'm reaching on this. Your takeaway. No, I don't think you're reaching on this. It's something that he has to be mindful of because what we saw.

last night, he has a lot of talent around him. Whether people want to agree to that or not, these guys are talented. They're just not on the same level, football IQ and knowledge and experience as he is. The only guy on that football field that he trusts like that is a Devante Adams.

So you won't see him give that stare to him. But everyone else, he'll give it to. And why I don't like it is because they're not in position to give it back. That's the reason why I don't like it. When we were there and we had all these receivers, Donald Driver, myself, James Jones, Jamichael, we all, we had an opportunity to play with Brett Barr. We were successful with Brett Barb. So then you come in and now you want, you're trying to build on that success. So now we're, we're going to hold you accountable. You look at us with

big eyes. We're going to look at you with big eyes. He has, he has no one in that locker room. that's willing to do that. You have Randall Cobb that's there, but he's not planned. And you're in my State Farm commercial, so you better keep your mouth shut. You have Devante Adams, who that's the only go-to guy he has. So they have a great rapport. I just, I don't care for it because on that last drive, it could have easily been one of those guys giving him that same death. Really, really, really good point.

Greg Jennings, 10 years, Super Bowls, Pro Bowls. I love your packer room at your house. I love your football room. That is so cool. Greg, great stuff as always, buddy. Thank you. Appreciate it. What's up, everybody, John Middlecock,

the three-and-out podcast on Colin Coward's podcast network. Big show coming up for you today. Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rogers, the Packers, it's official. The season's over. But now it's time to get rid of Mike McCarthy. Open up that job. Also, Rams, Chiefs, the NFL made the right move. this game back to America. L.A. deserve it. Again, three-and-out podcast. If you like Colin's show,

you'll like mine, John Middilcoff. One of the things that's fun joy about sports is the sports arguments. You know, this guy, you know, whatever, basketball, football, baseball, could Babe Ruth have played today? And, you know, we argue about all sorts of stuff. It's why I love what I do for a living. I like to argue, I think it's fun. Don't take it personally. Fans tend to take it a little personally, but this is fun. This is what we do. And there's been this thing that pops up. Every time the Warriors win and Durant is the MVP of the finals for like five days. It's like, told you. Katie's better on LeBron.

No, he's not. In the last week, another example of why LeBron provides so much more is so much deeper his resume than Kevin Durant. Steph Curry gets hurt, leaves, and the Warriors are a mess instantly. LeBron comes to a team that was a mess for four or five years. the Lakers, and now they're good and they're playing well. And they just beat the second best team in the West again, second time this year. Okay, listen, I went to the Lakers this week.

LeBron provides points, leadership. He's a part-time GM. He's a full-time coach. He elevates others. I get the smartest guy in the league, the IQ, the points, the rebounds, the assid. LeBron is offering so much more. Kevin Durant provides points. LeBron four times has entered a crappy team, a team that's a mess, and immediately they're good.

Cavaliers out of high school, Miami, Cleveland again, and now the Lakers. Lakers were a train wreck for four years. Four for four, and they're good within a month. He has also left three of those teams. Cleveland, Miami, Cleveland, and they're a shipwreck overnight. Four for four, three for three. Kevin Durant leaves Oklahoma City? Still a playoff team.

Still exciting to watch. He goes to Golden State. They want a title without him. They want a title with him. They're better. But once again, he's battling the media, battling Dremont, team is two and three without Steph.

It's like Chris Broussard said. They're both great players. LeBron's a different level. It's the way he controls the game. When Steph's not there, Kevin Durant plays like LeBron. But he can't control a game like LeBron. He can't.

He doesn't. LeBron controls everything, the coaching. He got Tyson Chandler here. He was the other night when I watched him in person. Good seats, by the way. He was the best rebounder. He had a key block. He had a key basket.

He hit key free throws. He was the best shooter. He had the best vision. One provides a multitude of gifts. One's a great scorer. And that matters, but don't compare the two. This last week is another example of the depth and the scope of LeBron's greatness

and the liabilities and flaws in Kevin Durant's resume. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. I do want to talk about the Dallas Cowboys, though. So they faced Atlanta. That was not one of my picks.

So right now the Dallas Cowboys are four and five. But a lot of people feel good about them. Woo! South Philadelphia game. That Dak guy, extension. Jerry Jones, very happy. Four and five. Indianapolis, a team I love.

Not this weekend. Not this weekend. I don't love Indianapolis. But they're four and five, too, in the AFC. I'm going to take Indianapolis to sneak into the playoffs. not Dallas, and here's why. If you go look at the Dallas Cowboys next five games, I'm a big believer in quarterbacks.

Their next five games, they face Matt Ryan, Alex Smith, Drew Brees, Carson Wentz, and Andrew Luck. They will have the second best quarterback in all five games. Some at home, some on the road. At Andrew Luck, at Matt Ryan. Drew Breeze is the best. He's not easy to beat anywhere. Carson Wentz is the second most talented or luck,

Homer away. I just don't like it for Dallas. So when I look at Dallas in their next five games, they're four and five, I don't like what I see. When you go into games with the second best quarterback, and in some instances, easily the second best quarterback, like there's a gap, four and five eight making the playoffs.

Now let's look at Indianapolis. Let's look at their next seven games. Andrew Luck is arguably the best quarterback in all seven games. Now, you can make the argument, Deshawn Watson in a month is better than luck. At this point, Andrew Luck's the better quarterback. You can ask Andrew Luck to throw 40 times he's good. At this point, Deshawn, you can ask him to throw 20 to 24 times. You don't want to put everything on him.

I like him. He's emerging. He's growing. Andrew with the line of scrimmage right now is a better quarterback. So both are four and five. one in the AFC, the Colts. Now, it should be noted. Dallas has a much better defense than the Colts.

If you gave Andrew Luck Dallas's defense, I'd guarantee you there in the playoffs. I think the defense for the Colts, at some point, that's the barrier for Andrew Luck. But if everybody likes the Dallas Cowboys, I always break it down to a really simple thing when it comes to the NFL. How good is your quarterback

and how good is the quarterback you face? and that decides 90% of the teams in this league. Dak Prescott, next five games, is the second best quarterback in all of them. Andrew Luckin his next seven is arguably the superior quarterback, sometimes by a long shot in all seven games. That's who I like. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

Seahawks again beat Aaron. Rogers and Green Bay in the Pacific Northwest and via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Peter, when I watch Aaron over the last couple of years, I see a couple of stressful things. I think the relationship with he and McCarthy

appears frosty. When he signed that big deal, that means his roster is going to be now younger. They're going to have to hit some home runs in the draft. And I saw, you know, the death stare a couple of times last night where he gets frustrated with his young receivers. It just feels like,

Peter, we're getting to a tipping point with Aaron. There's going to be a change. It just every time I watch them and they lose one of these big road games against the contemporary star quarterback, it feels like it's coming to a head to me. Does it feel like that to you? Very much. I mean, there's something about the Green Bay Packers now that just feels like it has an expiration date on it. And we didn't need last night to, to, to, to, to, to, to, prove that or anything, but last night certainly was just another brick in the wall to reinforce that. And Colin, the one point I would make is last night I was watching the game and I said, when's the last time the Packers were great? I mean, think about this, really. So I went back,

regular season, since Christmas Day 2015, they're 21, 22, and 1. Wow. Okay, that's 44 games. Aaron Rogers played 35 of those. So it isn't like he missed two-thirds of them, and Brett Hundley went 0 and 30. I mean, you know, and so what I think is going on and what you read and what you hear and what you see basically is that, you know, it just doesn't feel right there.

It just doesn't feel right. Nobody's really saying anything, nobody, but it just doesn't feel right. And to me, they had three huge road games in the last four weeks. Rams, Patriots, Seahawks. To be a contender, to win your division, to think that you're going to be anything in January, you've got to go one or two for three. They went O for three.

And in every game, they were in it in the fourth quarter every time, and they blew it. Ty Montgomery, stupid play, taking the ball out of the end zone with 205 left in the fourth quarter, one time out left, instead of just kneeling, giving the ball to Rogers, letting him drive for a field goal in the win against the Rams. Then, you know, Aaron Jones fumbles on the first play of the fourth quarter of a tie game in New England. And then, obviously, last night, Mike McCarthy chooses to pun on fourth and two from his 33 with one. one time out left at 420 to go. And to me, I would much rather put the ball in the hands of my quarterback, even though he made a dumb throw on third down in that series, than I would to take a defense that has been a little ragged, is beat up, and is really wearing down as this game goes on, because all Seattle needs to do is to get two first downs. And so I just think

just doesn't feel right there right now, Colin? I'm going to throw a theory at you. Aaron Rogers and Brett Farr, we think, are dissimilar. One's a good old Southern boy. One's that kind of California aloof, cool guy. I'm going to throw some similarities at you, and then I'm going to punctuate it with a stat that's remarkable. They're very similar.

6-2-25, gunslingers, ad-libbers, not always the most coachable, kind of stubborn, a little bit rigid about what they like to do, home-run hitters. They're not going to do death by a thousand cuts. That's not who they are. That works at home. But here's what's remarkable.

Farrv and Rogers now have under 50% road records, which makes no darn sense when you consider their talent. And I'm going to throw a theory at you that Montana, Alex Smith, Tom Brady, coachable death by a thousand cut guys, works better on the road. That Aaron and Farr have become very similar. A Super Bowl early, can't follow it up, kind of a gunslinger to a fault, hold the ball a little long, looking for home runs, and they're both playing hurt now in the second back nine of their career.

That I think Aaron's a little bit culpable for some of this. He's 35 in December. Like Farr, he's playing hurt a lot. And I think sometimes Aaron on the road is tough to coach, can be a little stubborn, holds the ball too long. I do think it's not all McCarthy. Is that fair of me? I think it's very,

It's not one person's fault what has happened here. But the one other thing I would say about that, Colin, I sort of get the gunslinger comparison, but here's where I would disagree. Aaron Rogers doesn't throw nearly the, and I don't have any numbers in front of me, but he doesn't throw the number of interceptions that Farve does. I mean, Farve had a six interception playoff game in St. Louis once, remember that one? Yes, yes. And I don't think Aaron Rogers are going to throw six interceptions in a, you know, in a, you know,

practice ever or anything. But I think the one thing about both of them is that I would disagree with you and say that they're hard to coach because Mike Holmgren was frustrated with Fav but Favre wanted Holmgren to make them better. And I believe that Aaron Rogers wants a coach to make him better. But I'm like you. I'm just trying to read the tea leaves on this. because Rogers is cryptic about it. McCarthy says everything's fine. It's all well. But it's just something about the entire situation.

And I'm not sure it's McCarthy versus Rogers at all. I just think the entire situation just doesn't feel right. Whereas Tom Brady has Josh McDaniels, whereas Drew Breeze has Sean Peyton. You know, I just don't know that Aaron Rogers feels he has that guy with the Green Bay Packers. Let's shift to Lavian Bell. I'm bummed out because he left a lot of money on the table and running backs don't last

forever and pro athletes should take what they can get when they can get it. I can do radio for 30 years. You can't be a pro athlete for generally even 10 to 12. And now Levian's out there and I'm watching all these kind of teams with a series of average backs, win games. You know, Gurley's the exception. But, you know, Sequin Barclay's great and Zeke's great. doesn't make their team great.

How does it end for Lavian Bell? What is your guess on what happens and how, because he's a remarkable, remarkable player? You know, Colin, I think he's a remarkable player too, but I also think there's a couple of things at play here. Number one is that, you know, James Connor makes 121st of what Lavin Bell makes, and his numbers this year every bit the numbers

that Lavian Bell ever had in Pittsburgh are very similar to his best year, you know, at this point, 10 or 11 games. And the one thing about Labian Bell and about the running back position is that in 2017, the 67th pick in the draft, Alvin Camara, was the NFL offensive rookie of the year. The 86th pick of the draft, Karim Hunt, was the NFL rushing champion. So all I'm saying is that this team, right now, the Pittsburgh Steelers, made a business decision. We're not offering him a boatload, a gigantic contract. We hope he takes what we offer him, but we realize he probably won't.

He didn't take it. On the other side of the coin, I simply don't believe that five, six, seven years from now, I just don't believe that Levyon Bell will ever make up the money he lost this year. year. This is $14.5 million. If he plays five more years, Colin, you know what that means? It means that he's going to have to make, say, because he's always wanted this number, whatever it is, $17, $18 million average. He's going to have to make $3 million more per year, basically over the next five years than what he already thought he was going to make. So he's not going to do that. And so I kind of look at it and just say whether he says it, whether his camp feels it or whatever.

And Levyon Bell is a good guy. But to me, I just think he's going to live to regret missing this year. Yeah, it is a bummer. Finally, Peter, listen, we always overreact, and myself included, September New England loses. But this year it feels different because I don't think New England can go to Kansas City and win and go to Pittsburgh and win. And I'm not sure they can go to the Chargers in one. win. I watched that game. You can't depend on Gronk. I think Gronkton is last year. The Tennessee loss felt a little different. Did it not a November dominating loss? Did it feel different to you?

A little bit, but the reason that I wouldn't say that it felt anything like finality is that look at this team, Colin. Rob Grunkowski a year ago was the keystone to everything they did. Now, they really don't know what he's going to be when he does play. And I agree with you. I think this is his last year. He's just too beat up. He's taken too many blows. He came into the league a little bit fragile with the neck and back anyway. So I think this is probably it for him. But if you look at the Patriots right now, who does Tom Brady have to rely on? James White. Yeah, that's it. I mean, who else? Julian Edelman at times, you know, but, Julian Edelman misses the first four games and whatever, he's getting older too.

And now in the middle of the season, they're trying to make Josh Gordon the home run hitter that they have missed for so long in this offense. And they're trying to do it on the fly. If anybody can do it, Josh McDaniels and Brady can do it. But I would just look at this and say, the reason this feels different is that the offense constantly seems to be a work in progress. NBCSports.com, Peter King, by the way, on his podcast, he's got Philip Rivers, one of my favorite people in the league.

I do think a big year for him could get him into the Hall of Fame where Peter's a voter. So go to Peter King's podcast as well on iTunes, listen to it. NBCSports.com. Have a great weekend, Peter. Thank you so much. Thanks, Colin. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the Internet lost its mind.

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