The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 11/19/2018

Episode Date: November 19, 2018

Colin has some bad news for Bears fans that they might not want to admit themselves. He thinks the Cowboys are setting up to be that one bad playoff team that doesn't fit with the others. He admits ...where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Plus, former Pro Bowl QB Michael Vick comes in studio to talk about QBs fighting with coaches and why Lamar Jackson's running success isn't sustainable. Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:34 This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go to Monday. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here, FS1, 1 hour from now, every Monday where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. There is a ton of both. Joy Taylor is joining me in a Monday. How are you?
Starting point is 00:03:02 great, good morning. Good morning. We have a huge NFL game tonight, but I want to talk about the game that was on television last night. The Chicago Bears, biggest game in Chicago in a decade. And man, they threw a party. And man, they look great. And man, they're on a roll. And this is an amazing football town. My wife's from there. I've been there. I discovered it later in life. I love Chicago. And the Bears are mostly about Matt Nagy. Okay, I said it. Nobody wants to hear it. As a fan, you don't want to hear that. You don't go to a game wearing a headset. that you wear a jersey. You don't go and buy a coaching outfit.
Starting point is 00:03:36 You buy a jersey. You want me to go on the air and say your players are amazing, and that's the story, and I'm not going to tell you that. Yes, Khalil Mack is amazing. And by the way, Akeem Hicks is really, really good. In fact, pro football focus says all eight of your best players are on defense. This offense, though, is about Matt Nagy. I'm sorry you don't want to hear it.
Starting point is 00:03:59 You want me to brag about your sure-handed wide receivers. and you're young and promising running backs. And, of course, Mitch Trubisky. Come on, folks. This bears offense in 40 years of watching pro football, I've never seen an offense, and a coach orchestrate an offense more brilliantly around a limited quarterback. It's an orchestra.
Starting point is 00:04:18 It is motion. It is efficiency. It is beautiful. It's six running backs. It's eight wide receivers. It is a beautiful offense. And then the end of the night, 160 yards passing. That's, that's coaching.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Patrick Mahomes, far greater talent. Deshawn Watson, far greater talent. This is about Matt Nagy, and I'm sorry you don't want to hear it. There's two stories going on with the Bears. They have a very, very good defense led by one of the great defensive players of my lifetime, Khalil Mack, and the second part of the story is Matt Nagy. This is beautiful. I'm not saying Tribisky does not have talent.
Starting point is 00:04:54 He's got a little Jimmy G, but he can't throw as well. He got a little Russell Wilson, but he can't run as well. He's got a little Alex Smith. he's not that good at the line of scrimmage. He's closer to DAC than he is a superstar. Andrew Luck, his coaching staff just puts him in the pocket. Throw darts. Drew Breeze, his quarterback, his coach puts him in the pocket.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Just throw darts. Matt Nagy's game plan is telling you exactly what he has with Mitch Trabisky. We don't trust him in the pocket much. We're going to move him around. A lot of deception. This is three and a half hours of card tricks. It's illusion. It's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:05:29 It is beautiful. It is an orchestra. And everybody's like, oh, the Rams have the best coaching staff. No, no, no. Rams have better players. Rams wide receivers, they're better than Chicago's. Rams offensive line left tackle, Andrew Whitworth is better than Chicago. Todd Gurley is better than Chicago.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Jared Goffs better than Trubisky. Rams, Sean McVeigh is a great coach. But he's got some stuff to work with now. Chicago offensively, it's guys, some are better than others. It's Matt Nagy. And I know you don't go to a stadium with a headset on. and I know you want me to say, our players are, folks,
Starting point is 00:06:05 you don't think coaching matters. You still watching football these years don't think coaching matters. John Fox, the Trubisky, McVeigh from Jeff Fisher, Saban at Alabama, Harbott, Michigan replacing Brady Hoke. You know, there's an old musical
Starting point is 00:06:21 called West Side Story. This is Midwest Side Story. Okay, that's what this is. And I know it's going to drive you crazy, and you want all this sort of love and stuff for Mitch Trubisky. He's a guy. Now, he's an athlete. Again, not saying he didn't have talent.
Starting point is 00:06:40 He's confident as hell. He's got a little bit of Jimmy Garoppolo, but he doesn't throw quite that. His ball dies at the end. Garoppel doesn't. He's got a little bit of Russell Wilson, but he's not that athletic. And he's got a little Alex Smith, straight line speed. But I don't think he's that experience or that good at the line of scrimmage. By the way, really sad for Alex Smith, great dude.
Starting point is 00:06:59 I think he's closer to Dak. but the offensive coaching right now in Chicago is one of the great things I've ever seen. It is just fantastic. Biggest game in Chicago, great football town in a decade. And I mean Minnesota walked into a snake pit. Minnesota and their quarterback Andy Dalton, my bad, Kirk Cousin, same guy, walked into a snake pit. And Chicago deserves all the love.
Starting point is 00:07:21 But we got two things going on here. A really good defense with a superstar and a great head coach. Midwest side story. That's what this is. All right, Bear fans hate me. Now let's go to Dallas fans. Dallas won yesterday. Maybe Troy Aikman was right.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Maybe this is Dallas's division. Every year in the NFL, there's one division winner that feels like they're a little over their head. Let me just say this out loud this year. Steelers, Patriots, Saints, Chiefs, Rams, Dallas. What doesn't fit here? By the way, we've seen this. Remember the Carolina won a division, 7, 8, and 1? Kirk Cousins won the NFC East, Washington 9 and 7.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Tebow's Broncos won, 8 and 8. Seattle one year went 7 and 9 with Pete Carroll. Houston Texans done it a couple of times. Listen, that's Dallas this year. If they win this division. And right now, they're the healthiest team. I mean, they get another home game on a short week. It looks like Dallas is going to have it.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Dallas got several breaks this year. The Redskins quarterback got hurt. Philadelphia has got a Super Bowl hangover and they entered this year on crutches. And the New York Giants took a running back, a good one over a quarterback, and they are what they are. That's number one. Number two, this cowboy offense is totally limited. Even with Amari Cooper. I mean, yesterday they faced Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Everybody in the league. I mean, everybody. Eli, James Winston, everybody. Hot knife through butter against Atlanta. Dallas had six points going into the football. Dack had about 250 yards throwing. I'm not saying Dallas didn't have talent. I do not believe, like Troy Aikman said, they need an overhaul.
Starting point is 00:09:06 I do not believe that. I love their defensive line. I think their young linebackers, that kid from Idaho, eight-man football, is a stud. I love their left tackle. He's a Hall of Famer. Running back, Zeke, a real deal. I even think Amari Cooper's really good.
Starting point is 00:09:23 I would have thrown a first-round pick at him. and offensive line. It's not what it was. It's not as good as the Saints offensive line, but the offensive line for the Dallas Cowboys is still very good top 10 in the league. And I think if you ask Dallas Cowboy fans, if you ask the true Cowboy fans who are really honest, not just pom-pom waivers, people that go into a stadium,
Starting point is 00:09:44 smart guys, smart women that go to the stadium and can talk like grown-ups and say, listen, we do this, we don't do this. This is the weakest playoff team that will enter this year. And if it wins the NFC East, it is absolutely the weakest. I mean, listen, Dallas's five wins. Dallas's five wins are against teams that are 18 and 34. Their wins are against the Giants, Philly, Detroit, Jacksonville, and Atlanta. Dallas's losses are all the good teams they've played.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Carolina, Tennessee, Houston, Seattle, and Washington. I mean, listen, it's not all wins are the same. Not all division titles are the same. Let's not kid ourselves here. They're not all the same. This is a very slightly above average Dallas team, but they've drafted very, very well on the defensive side of the ball, and they've got a couple of stars, left tackle, running back.
Starting point is 00:10:39 And they gave up a number one pick to get Amari Cooper, and I like him. Amari Cooper is like when you add a really good pitcher to a pitching staff in baseball, and everybody can go down one slot, and the former ace is now a two, and the two is now a three, and the three is now a four. Cole Beasley now feels a little better. And the tight ends feel more capable. And that rookie Gallup, oh, I kind of like him more now.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Mari Cooper's made everybody a little less important. They can just play their role, and it's nice. But they, you know, they throw for 200 yards against an Atlanta defense that is just awful. So Bears fans still don't love Trebisky. It's slight of hand and it's beautiful. I go see magicians all the time in Vegas, Chicago fans. That's what you're watching on offense. It's absolutely, listen, I've seen, you know, every great comedian or every great magician
Starting point is 00:11:33 in America, I've seen him, Chicago fans. I've seen them all in Vegas. He used to live there. It's fascinating. I love magic. But it's optical illusion. It's sleight of hand. When David Copperfield goes, look, there's a building, you know.
Starting point is 00:11:43 I moved it. He didn't really move it. Mitch Trubisky. Oh, my God. All these magic tricks. Yeah, he's not Patrick Mahomes. He's not Deshawn Watson. He's not Andrew Locke.
Starting point is 00:11:53 He's not Russell Wilson. He's not. And Cowboy fans, I think you'd admit it. Honestly, this is going to be the weakest team to win a division. And there's always one team that wins a division. And you're like, doesn't make the cut. Dallas is that team. Doesn't quite make the cut.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. I saw something yesterday that was impressive. And I've said this for years. You can lose sometimes in. sports and I'm blown away. I've seen teams lose and, you know, they're missing a star player. They're on the road. They overcome a lot of obstacles. They lose in overtime, but I'm like, that's an impressive loss. I don't believe every wind blows me away and every loss stinks.
Starting point is 00:12:38 The Pittsburgh Steelers yesterday, that's called a flex. For three and a half hours, they mailed it in. They had no juice. They had no energy. They came off a big one over Carolina. Apparently, they didn't practice for a week. To be able to go on the road, against the defense like Jacksonville, there's real players there, who in the NFL can be down by 10 with two and a half to go and win in regulation? Pittsburgh can't. Who wins on the road with 26 yards rushing? Only Pittsburgh can.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Whose quarterback can throw three touchdowns on the road and have 20 incompletions and win, Ben Rothlisberger. For three and a half hours of the three hours and 40 minutes, there was nothing there for Pittsburgh. They were three for 11 on third down, O for two on fourth down. They had no juice. That was a flex. I've seen New England not show up on the road and get crushed by Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I've seen the chargers at home yesterday not be ready to play and get beat by Denver. I've watched teams all year. Good teams in the NFL. I saw Minnesota at home not show up against Buffalo and get routed. Pittsburgh did not show up for all but the last six minutes and won the game on the road. You know, I sat there and watched that game yesterday, and I thought the NFL's become the saint in the Steelers at the top, and then whoever wins Chiefs Rams tonight, and that's my three. I picked the Steelers to win the Super Bowl before the season.
Starting point is 00:14:05 I thought they looked awful for the first five weeks. But when they played Cleveland again and blew them out, and when they played Atlanta and suffocated them, I'm not sure those were as impressive as yesterday. Because, and by the way, can we put Big Ben now in the MVP conversation? going to throw for over 5,000 yards. He's had to overcome no lavian bell and the lavian bell noise. He is going to lead the NFL
Starting point is 00:14:29 and pass attempts. Basically, they're just giving the playbook to him and saying, lead us. We'll figure out the defense, Mike Tom. Just figure out, Ben, here's the playbook. Throw 50 times, just lead us. Here's the game winning touchdown yesterday from Big Ben. First and goal,
Starting point is 00:14:46 foot away. Rockless Burgers, bounced back from a dreadful performance, most of the coming up big. Running like an option. Going to keep it. Dives. Did he break it?
Starting point is 00:14:57 Yes, he did. Touchdown. Pittsburgh. An improbable, incredible comeback from Pittsburgh. The emotional whirlwind of the last seven minutes of this game. Devastating loss for Jacksonville after they played their best game of the year. I was so blown. And by the way, nothing against Chicago.
Starting point is 00:15:19 But this offense is about. a Hall of Fame quarterback and Antonio Brown and two bowlers on the offensive line and Juju Smith-Schuster, this offense in Pittsburgh is got, this is Pro Bowl stuff. Chicago's doing it with smoking mirrors. Chicago's doing it slight a hand. You know, Chicago's like, there's a mountain. It's gone. No, Pittsburgh's just got ballers.
Starting point is 00:15:45 I mean, I just sitting there yesterday. I've seen good teams mailed in this year. They all lose to go on the road and do that 26 yards rushing. Three picks? And you win? On social media, the kids call that a flex. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. I'd like to be selfish.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Joy has said many times on this show, she is petty. Correct. And explain what that means. It's a nice way of saying that I hold grudges forever and ever. All right. All right. That's your thing. I mean, you know it.
Starting point is 00:16:20 You're aware of it. Yeah, I'm working on it. Sure. And I am working on my selfish thing. I can be selfish. You know, I've this whole career. I've put aside friends and sometimes just been about me. I can be very selfish.
Starting point is 00:16:34 And like joy, I am working on it. But not for this segment. I'm going to be selfish. I've had enough of Joe Flackho. I just want to see Lamar Jackson play. I don't think he's really ready. I mean, yesterday was a win. It was nice.
Starting point is 00:16:47 27 rushes for a quarterback is not really sustained. bowl when he's kind of a skinny kid. But listen, the NFL has been infused with new talent. And Lamar Jackson's really fun. And you can't throw the ball 19 times and you can't carry it 27 for his size. But you know what? Running quarterbacks, it's a real thing and it's not going away. Tribisky moves.
Starting point is 00:17:08 And Russell Wilson moves. And Carson Wentz moves. And Deshawn Watson moves. And by the way, Baker Mayfield moves. And Sam Darnold's going to move. And that's a component. Lamar's got to move a little less and throw a little more, but let's be honest about it.
Starting point is 00:17:26 The league has changed. Flacco is no better fit than Lamar Jackson is. When the rules all changed in the NFL that are all for the offense, it was bad for guys like Joe Flacco. He's always been inaccurate. But now his 61% completion percentage is embarrassing when breezes it 77%. When the good guys are now at 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 77,
Starting point is 00:17:59 flacco's still 61. So you can do the big, formidable, strong, experience, 61% completion guy. Or you can do the wild, runs too much, Lamar Jackson, not ready to really be a pocket passer. But you know what? Tribisky's not a great pocket passer. he's not and Lamar Jackson whips it well enough kind of throws like my wife said this yesterday he kind of throws like a baseball but I'm going to be selfish here he's more fun it's more fun to watch
Starting point is 00:18:29 I'm over flaco I'm done with flaco neither's ideal neither right now flacco's lack of accuracy is not ideal and Lamar relying on his legs this much is not ideal but you know what as a consumer that was fun That was fun. Chris Carter talks about it. You know, this can't be going forward the way it looks every week. But he won't have no long career running that ball 27 times because he does not have the body. We just talked about Cam Newton, 6'5-245. Man, Lamar, he is not that.
Starting point is 00:19:07 So they have to design something. Congratulations. Welcome to the NFL. Good and win at home against the poorest defense that we have in the NFL. but they have to build change the game plan moving forward. Absolutely agree. But Joy's petty and I'm selfish. I want more of that.
Starting point is 00:19:23 And for the record, let me list a lot of the young quarterbacks that people like. Baker Mayfield, Watson, Darnold, Trubisky, Wence, Russell Wilson, DAC, Andrew Luck. Mobility is a weapon for all of them. And 10 of the 11, leading rushing quarterbacks right now, are 500 or better.
Starting point is 00:19:43 I'll take Lamar Jackson. I don't think he's really ready. Josh Allen not ready. I'll take him. That was fun. And by the way, if you'll watch Baltimore's wide receivers, tell me I'm wrong on this. They looked engaged.
Starting point is 00:19:56 They looked like they were rooting for Lamar. They were having fun. I mean, they were making some really nice catches. Why? They got a guy. They like him. Receivers have favorites too. They like playing with Lamar.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Not inaccurate Joe Flacko. One more her. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. We do it every Monday at this time. I have big opinions and strong feelings. I lay them out. And then on Monday, where was I right?
Starting point is 00:20:30 Where was I wrong? Over the last seven to ten days, here we go. Where Colin was right? Boy, I've been good on the AFC. I predicted the Patriot Steelers, Chiefs, Chargers, and Texans would make the playoffs. And I'm five for five. They're all going to make the playoffs. Now, I had the Ravens over the Colts,
Starting point is 00:20:48 and this morning I liked the Colts momentum more than the Ravens, but Ravens right now are 5 and 5 in the Colts are 5 and 5. Now, the NFC, not so much, but on the AFC, we have a chance to go 6 for 6 in our playoff predictions. We feel pretty good about that. Where Colin was wrong. Lamar Jackson won and was capable. Now, I did predict before the season, strangely,
Starting point is 00:21:12 and luckily that he would start in week 11. I'm not going to give myself a right. That was just bizarre luck. If that was your prediction and you were right, then you were right. You didn't give a stipulation for why. But this is way better than I thought he would be. That trumps, listen, I don't think he's ready to play. I mean, he's got a whip.
Starting point is 00:21:31 He runs around. I don't think it's sustainable. But there's no way in the world. I thought he was going to win an NFL game as a starter. I thought he was a three interception guy. And you got to give again, you got to give coaching staffs. credit in this league. They did a great job.
Starting point is 00:21:45 They rolled him out of the pocket. They had some preferred run-first play. Like that one right there, there's a beautiful play. And you know what? He actually, when he's running, he may throw it like a baseball. But when he's running, got a little whip on him. He can get the ball out there. So I didn't think he'd be...
Starting point is 00:22:01 If he had told me that was going to be his first start in the NFL this year, I may have gotten the week right. I didn't think it would look that good. I was wrong. Where Colin was right? Oh, the Eagles lost 48 to 7. That was the worst. out by a Super Bowl champ ever in the history of the NFL. Told you so. I call this the lottery
Starting point is 00:22:18 winners syndrome. People who have never had huge money get huge money and they don't know how to act. They don't know what to do. How would they? They've never had $25 million or more. It's the same in the NFL. Teams that don't get to the AFC championship much. Jacksonville don't know how to act when they do. Teams like Atlanta that don't get to the Super Bowl don't know how to act after they do. in Philadelphia doesn't win Super Bowls. Dallas does, Washington as, Giants do, Philly doesn't. And they didn't know how to act.
Starting point is 00:22:48 They fell in love with themselves, those stupid underdog masks, everybody's writing a book and getting endorsements. This team is not buttoned up. They are not the Patriots. Congrats on winning one. By the way, go back to wearing those underdog masks because you're going to be an underdog
Starting point is 00:23:05 the rest of the year in all your games. Where Colin was wrong. You know, I've said this. I always consider the Warriors to be kind of the Silicon Valley of the NBA. Their owner's a little smarter. Their GM's a little smarter. Their coach is a little smarter. Their players are a little smarter.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Not really. It's Steph Curry. Steph Curry gets hurt. Two weeks he's gone. They implode. They have the longest losing streak. Three games now in the entire Western Conference. Listen, man, they got a bunch of talent.
Starting point is 00:23:33 But this thing is way, way more dependent on Steph Curry than I've ever realized. And it's not just about his three point shots. His leadership, his IQ. He's not insecure. He's not overly sensitive. I mean, Steph Curry has not only changed the game with the three ball and eliminated centers essentially in the NBA. But his just overall confidence and security in this very star-driven organization, it is obvious. That's Kevin Durant right there on the screen.
Starting point is 00:24:09 He didn't like me talking about it. him, you don't see Steph Curry going back and forth with media guys. And for the record, I love Durant. Second best player in the league. I love the guy. I like him personally, though I've never met him. But boy, they miss Steph Curry. Where Colin was right. When Sam Darnold left USC, what did I tell you? I said, Baker Mayfield is going to leave. Oklahoma's still going to win 11 games. USC is going to be a mess. He has been hiding one of the worst offensive staffs I've ever seen. They lost to UCLA this weekend. UCLA was what, 2 and 8? UCLA had only 57 available scholarship players.
Starting point is 00:24:43 UCLA had 20 freshmen playing and only one senior starter. UCLA is going to be good with Chip Kelly. They're a mess right now. I mean, they're like a bunch of babies. They're kids. They're 19-year-old players. USC has died without Darnel. Oklahoma averages more points this year without Baker Mayfield.
Starting point is 00:25:00 And by the way, Baker's fine. But Baker left, the program didn't die. What I told you was when Darnold left, you were going to see the truth. This staff. They're fourth now in the Pact 12 South. They're a hundredth in rushing in college football. USC of 130 programs. It's a mess. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah, I guess Troy Aikman was right. Here's Troy Aikman on the Cowboys a week ago. Right now, if I had to pick somebody, I would, I'd pick Dallas. The Thanksgiving game is huge. But I think that if Dallas can keep it within two games going into Thanksgiving and then win that game, I think they're positioned pretty well.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Yeah, I guess he was right. I mean, six days ago, they lost at home to Tennessee and the season was over. Then they went on the road and beat Philly. Then they beat Atlanta. And Washington is now, with their backup, going to Dallas on a short week on the road. You know, good for Dak. I mean, to me, Dak, I like his intangibles. I don't love all the, I don't love his arm.
Starting point is 00:26:09 I don't think he's that accurate. I wouldn't build my team around him. I'm not going to pay him $24 million a year. But you know what? In the end, good for DAC. Intangibles are winning. The divisions weakened. And it looks like Dallas Aikman was right.
Starting point is 00:26:22 They're in control. Where Colin was right? Carmelo Anthony. They're no longer like suiting him up and playing him. And the Rockets have won four of five. And all their problems are solved. Listen, I've been on this for 15 years. he's the most overrated NBA star of my life.
Starting point is 00:26:40 He has, he's delusional. He can't get along with anybody. He won't play defense. He's never been in great shape. And in Vegas, they call that a cooler. Like, there are people that are employed by casinos. They're called coolers. You put them around a hot table and everybody loses.
Starting point is 00:26:55 The negativity. Carmelo Anthony's been fooling people for 15 years. Yes, he's a great score. And yeah, he'll be in the Hall of Fame. There's officials in the Hall of Fame. But there's never been a star. in the history of the league, that every locker room he exits gets better overnight
Starting point is 00:27:10 and every locker room he enters. By the way, Oklahoma City. A good team last year. He got down there. It was a mess. It was a mess. We were right on that one. Where Colin was wrong.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Yeah, that Golden Tate addition to the Eagles, I got a little ahead of myself on that. They don't know how to use him. He had one rush yesterday for minus nine yards. Maybe it's because they've lost Di Philippo the coach to the Vikings. and they lost Frank Reich to the Colts. But the offense has actually gotten worse since he's arrived. Detroit's fine.
Starting point is 00:27:42 They beat Carolina this weekend without him. It's just done, it's been a big nothing burger. And I thought Golden State, he was going to be, Golden Tate was going to be kind of an extension of the running game. Carson Wentz, get the ball out to him, and it is just done absolutely nothing. I was wrong on that. Where Colin was right.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Now, I did pick Minnesota to win the game last night, but I've been saying this for years. Kirk Cousins, he's basically Andy Dalton of the NFC. He is. He rakes up garbage time stats. I mean, games over last night. He's got 270 yards and a couple of touchdowns. The game was over.
Starting point is 00:28:19 He is 4 and 12 in primetime games. If you watch the game, here's the thing I've always said about Kurt Cousins. Folks, he's my size. He's 6-2-200 pounds. That's all he is. I'm 6-2-200 pounds. You're not very big. And obviously, he's a more talented player
Starting point is 00:28:35 than I'm. He's an athlete, professional athlete, but he's not big, he's not overly mobile. He doesn't have a huge arm. And, I mean, I've overpaid for things in my life. But this morning, if you're in Minnesota, you talk about buyer's remorse, you paid for a Bentley. Got yourself one of those little mid-sized
Starting point is 00:28:51 I don't want to take a shot at any car dealers, but you got a... It's a nice car. It'll get you from A to B. But, I mean, it's... Not in style. This is... He's Andy Dalton. He shrinks in big spots. where Colin was right? Well, I had the Saints three weeks ago as number one in herd hierarchy,
Starting point is 00:29:11 and I did this before they had played the unbeaten Rams. And I've also been on the Breeze is better than Aaron Rogers. You just don't want to admit it, but he's an avalanche better in stats, and he's going to end up with two Super Bowls. Here's the thing about the Saints, and this is what I noticed about three weeks ago when we put him number one. Their offensive line is the Cowboys' Offensive Line like three years ago. That is the best offensive line in football.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Sean Payton with those running backs, with that star receiver Thomas, with Drew Breeze. This offense, I mean, here's what this offense is. Drew Breeze, back to pass, completed. That's the offense, rinse and repeat. Nobody is beating this team in New Orleans. So all I know is, Rams, you better win tonight. And all you NFC teams, you better keep winning and cross your fingers because nobody's going into New Orleans.
Starting point is 00:30:02 And the secret sauce here is not just Drew Breese. This offensive line is blowing holes open all over the field. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Listen, one of the things I found out watching football this weekend is the agents for all the... There's about three agents that control all the college football coaches, about three of them. And there's about two agents that control all the NFL coaches. The wheels are spinning, baby.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Calls are being made right now. Coaches deny it. What coaches do is they have their agents make the call so they can deny any knowledge. The wheels are spinning on this stuff. There is major stuff happening behind the scenes that, you know, you can go to your message boards. The agents are talking. I'm talking to them. I'm talking to people who have talked to him.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Let's play coaching carousel right now. Five names you're hearing a lot of. Urban Meyer, Brian. Kelly, Green Bay's Mike McCarthy, Cowboys, Jason, Garrett, John Harbaugh. So let's spin the coaching carousel and see where it lands right now. Oh, Urban Meyer. Here we go. Two separate sources told me this weekend.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Urban Meyer is done after this year. He's going to retire from football. There's a fissure between the administration there and Urban Meyer. He doesn't always feel they've had his back. He's not going to admit this. He's going to say this is ridiculous. I don't know what you're talking about, but you saw him on the sideline this weekend. Some people, he does not look good.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Some people are saying he's acting. I don't think he is. This is a guy that takes every loss personal. I've been told by two people that I trust way up the food chain, Urban Meyer, after this year, could be after Michigan, after the Big Ten championship, after maybe they get in, you know, they play a huge bowl. Whenever it is, this is it. Let's spin the coaching carousel again.
Starting point is 00:32:03 This one will surprise you. Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly told me three years ago. Notre Dame is not a job you coach at for 20 years. It's too intense. Three years ago and two years ago, Brian Kelly put his name up there, had his agent sniff around the NFL.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Nobody was interested. I am told there are a couple of NFL teams that have been really impressed with Brian Kelly this year, that he is getting the most in 2018 out of Notre Dame football. They've got tough academics. It's a small private institution, religious overtones, tough schedule. This is as good as Notre Dame can be. They're not Alabama good.
Starting point is 00:32:44 They're not Clemson good. But there are NFL people interested in Brian Kelly. And Brian Kelly, to me, if he gets his team into the playoff, win or lose, if the job was right, would tap out at Notre Dame. And frankly, I think it'd be a great move by him. Let's spin the coaching carousel another time. Mike McCarthy, Green Bay Packers, it's over. Again, Aaron Rogers has a massive brand.
Starting point is 00:33:10 He's on every darn commercial I watch. He's not going to ding that brand and take a hit for this. He doesn't want to look like the bad guy. I have been told that Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy no longer share the same offensive vision. And they've grown apart. It's like any relationship. Some grow together. Some grow apart.
Starting point is 00:33:30 Even if Green Bay goes on an improbable run, it doesn't matter. The relationship, again, there's a fissure here. Aaron doesn't want to take the hit. They'll deny it if it's asked. But they were always two different guys, and this puppy is over. Green Bay will have a new coach. I'm told there's not a long list to hire McCarthy, but I'm sure somebody will. Let's go back to the coaching carousel for one more.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Oh, John Harbaugh. Keep your eye on Harbaugh. If Notre Dame loses a coach, he'll be the number one candidate. He has told people he would look. at college jobs and he's not sure of his future in Baltimore. They've underachieved for several years. If USC looks for a coach, a couple of names to look at, James Franklin and John Harbaugh, he would be interested in a high-end college job. The situation with a quarterback right now at Baltimore is a little dicey. You got Flacco, you got Lamar, you know, who knows how that's
Starting point is 00:34:29 going to work out. Just keep your eye on John Harbaugh. He will be at the top of any great college job that comes open and Baltimore may be looking to make a change. By the way, who did not show up on that coaching carousel, Jason Garrett. Yeah, he's not going anywhere. All weekend long, everybody I talked to, he's not going anywhere. Let's be honest about this. Jerry has been incredibly loyal to coaches through the years. He gave Dave Campo and Barry Switzer more than they probably earned.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Jason's his guy. They may do some tweaks to the staff. They've done that. But I've heard nothing on Jason Garrett. Moving. In fact, I've heard the exact opposite. He's in Dallas for a long time. And with that, I bring in my friend, 13 NFL seasons for Pro Bowls, Michael Vick.
Starting point is 00:35:21 I got to tell you, when I watch, let's start with Trubisky. The NFL, when you came to the league, you were the outlier. And there was a lot of people that said, until you got there, you're running around stuff. Steve Young Dillowell, but he can't run around. Now, if you don't have mobility, people aren't interested. I'm watching Ms. Trubisky last night. It's pretty good runner, right?
Starting point is 00:35:46 Yeah, he can move. I've seen that in North Carolina, and I knew that that would be a big asset for him, especially being with Matt Nagy, I knew that Matt would find a way to utilize him. Yeah, he was in Kansas City, and he was also in Philadelphia with us, you know, through our little four or five-year run. And, you know, Matt always showed signs of being. a great coach. He's gotten better over the years and when I was with him in Kansas City, he spoke a different language. So the way Mitch Trubisky has been playing over the last
Starting point is 00:36:16 couple weeks is a testament to Matt Nagy knowing how to use his quarterback. By the way, he's a better athlete than a thrower. Is that fair? I think Trubisky's a better athlete right now than he is a thrower. Yeah, and I think he's doing whatever works right now. And being a second year quarterback. It's almost like, how I have to move the change is, that's how I'm going get it done. Just move to change. And I respect that. And as him and Matt grow together, he'll become a better quarterback, he'll
Starting point is 00:36:43 become more polished. He'll understand the dynamics of the game. And, you know, this will be a marriage that will last for a long time. And he should evolve and get better as time goes on. You, so Cam, I defended Cam, I thought he played well yesterday.
Starting point is 00:36:59 And I like teams if the quarter, if I have an MVP-level quarter, back. I'm going to go for it most of the time. Andrew Luck, if I have Russell Wilson, if I have Brady, I'm mostly a go for it guy. You didn't love going for it. I didn't like it. I'm an overtime type of guy.
Starting point is 00:37:15 I like the fact that you have an opportunity to win. And you get the ball at some point. I mean, it wasn't like that in the past, so you kind had to go for it. So having an opportunity to go for it now, I think
Starting point is 00:37:31 even yesterday, I mean, it just wasn't the time for it. You know, whether your offense is playing well or not playing well, defense can't stop, you know, the opposition. Then you say, okay, this is desperation situation. Let's go for two. You never liked going for the two. No, I just liked the end of the game.
Starting point is 00:37:52 You see my running overtime run, my overtime run back in the day. You know, things don't always happen like that I got lucky. And I just feel like Kim could have done the same thing. in that particular situation. If you'd have gone to overtime, you'd have had a chance to win the game. Playing better of the two quarterbacks. Let me ask you this. When you go in these go-for-it situations, do you think Carolina had a play specifically for that moment?
Starting point is 00:38:19 Well, I think every team has two to three plays just in case you reached that point in the game, that juncture where, you know, it's a two-minute or it's an opportunity to go for two points. You have to have some in your back pocket, but you have to believe in it, but it's a hit or miss. If you get it, great. If not, it's a bummer. And I just hate the fact that the game boils down to one play. I think you give yourself a plethora of plays an opportunity to get a drive and go down to fair and score. Lamar Jackson was better than I thought he would be.
Starting point is 00:38:47 What did you make of it? I thought it was a great game yesterday. Obviously, you can't run the ball 27 times and sustain in the national football day. I think the most I've run was 15 times in the football game. That's it. Yeah, I never ran for it. maybe in the two games span close to 27 carries
Starting point is 00:39:07 but that's still a lot on your body it takes a toll on you and I can almost guarantee you that next week will not look the same it won't be nowhere close and Lamarcia and I want that noise you want to wait when you run as many times as he does
Starting point is 00:39:21 and he took one or two shots I mean is he running right now because listen man at first start Bengals got Marvin Lewis defensive guy throwing a bunch of stuff how much in a perfect game Michael how much did you want to run maybe 10 times on average now when I say that when I say that were these design runs or you're ad-libbing ad-libbing runs
Starting point is 00:39:46 maybe 10 because I knew at some point I was going to get some pressure escape use my ability to be effective in the game design runs as I got older we didn't have as many when I was young we were going to game with maybe seven or eight different runs that we can call multiple times. But as I got older, I want a least amount of runs in the game plan because I didn't want to put myself in jeopardy or harm's way. When you're younger, you're 22, 23 years old, you can handle it. But as you get into year five and year six and year seven, your body don't feel the same. So you have to preserve your body and not want to do as much. But, you know, if that's, if this working for him right now and it's a great asset for him to have, then you can do it
Starting point is 00:40:29 to get by. But ultimately, he has to get better in the passing game. So tonight we have the Rams Chiefs. It will be crazy. Kansas City's weapons are, the very few teams have better offensive weapons than the Rams. Kansas City is one of those teams. Now, you know Andy Reid very well. Andy Reid weren't a lot of takers. He put his hand up and said, I want Michael Vick in Philadelphia.
Starting point is 00:40:52 You say he changed your life. Yeah. Talk about Andy Reid for a couple of minutes about, tell my audience, what did he teach you? Why is he great? What will people see tonight? Well, tonight you'll see explosion this. And Andy, you better believe, has cooked up some things that will take advantage of what the L.A. Rams do on defense.
Starting point is 00:41:11 I can assure you that he spends countless nights making sure that he has the right game plan for his quarterback to go out and be effective. And for me, not only did he change my life and changed my game, he made me see life in a different form. I took on a different perspective, a more work-hard approach and believe-in-yourself type of approach. and you're only going to get out of anything as much as you put in. And, you know, for me, it was my profession and trying to be the best quarterback that I could be, but he told me that I had to work for it. And that was the promise that we made to each other that I made to him and we both made to each other when I first came in. I promised him that I worked hard.
Starting point is 00:41:50 He promised me he'll be the best coach that he could be. And that player-coach relationship really was probably the reason I felt like I couldn't fail on the field and I did everything I could to help our team be as good as we could. When you look at Patrick Mahomes, I mean, of all these quarterbacks, you got Russell Wilson, Mitch Trubiskey, Deshaun Watson, I mean, there's a million of us. Is there one Patrick Mahomes, is there one that you do feel aligned with? Like you kind of feel like if you could do it over again,
Starting point is 00:42:23 you kind of feel like that's me. I would say Deshawn Watson. I think Patrick is very dynamic. He don't run the ball as much. He tends to pass first. He's got a huge arm. He's got a huge arm and he believes in it. He got a great coach cooking things up for him to help him spread the ball around.
Starting point is 00:42:44 But I think Deshaun's offense looks not as sophisticated. And it's not conservative, but it's good enough for him. And I felt like when I first came in the league, my coaches did enough that was – you know, good enough for us to go out and execute the game plans and be good doing it. And I kind of see that in Deshaun. You know, Billick does a great job of putting him in positions where he can be successful and where he can go out and not, you know, have a lot of pressure on himself. You know, he got DeAndre Hopkins and he can turn around and hand it off to his backs.
Starting point is 00:43:19 He had two of them. So, you know, I think that was our style of play. I had work done. Roddy White. Roddy White, T.J. Duckett. So I had some guys around me, but we lean more on the run game and then pass second. When you look at the NFL now that it is, I mean, the rules are all offense. I mean, it's incredible.
Starting point is 00:43:41 I mean, the rules are all offense. And, you know, I look at a situation like Aaron Rogers. We all know Aaron's great. But he and McCarthy, I mean, listen, sometimes, and this is what I was told this weekend, they just don't share the same vision. They just don't see the world the same. And you've been in situations. You and Andy Reid totally clicked.
Starting point is 00:44:03 But you've also been in situations. More was more of a defensive coach. And I'm not calling out Jim. What happens when you get into a situation that is what I'm told McCarthy and Rogers is where you've been together a long time, is not as tight, and you don't share the same vision. What's Aaron going through?
Starting point is 00:44:24 It's the old saying that all good things come to. and then. But I think, you know, at some point you, you take a look at what's going on outside of, you know, your organization and throughout the league. Did you used to watch what's happening elsewhere? Yeah. And I wanted to sometimes pattern our offenses, you know, around, you know, what I was seeing around the league and tried to share that input. But I think Aaron is taking a look around them, seeing that, you know, things are looking a lot easier. Chicago. And other places. Can you imagine him watching that game last night, Michael?
Starting point is 00:44:54 And just knowing that he can do that and his ability, understanding that, look, this game is not that hard. You know, when you're a professional, it shouldn't be as hard, especially when you can, you know, build the offense around, you know, your knowledge and your experience. And I think that's very important. And Aaron has played for a number of years, and he knows offense, and he knows how to manipulate defenses.
Starting point is 00:45:19 And I think it's time for him to start doing things a different way. Maybe doing it his own way. I take into account when I was in Pittsburgh and watching Big Ben come to work every day and throw ideas. You know, Ben took an approach to the game where he wanted to make it not just easy, but easy for everyone to understand and go out and execute. So it was always back and forth with him and Todd Hailey, but good back and forth. And they was able to find some common ground at the end of the day. And it made the game a lot easy and simplified.
Starting point is 00:45:52 and, you know, I give Ben credit for always trying to find a way to make the guys around him better and be productive. And by the way, Ben would spar with his coaches yesterday John Gruden and Derek Car sparred. You know, Ben would go back and forth. We've seen Brady yell at coaches. We saw Gruden yesterday. Did you ever get into a spat with the coach? Yeah, I got into it with Dan Reeves. Dan Reeves.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Yeah. I had to go to him at some point in my second year and just let him know, like, Coach, I need you to call the plays that's in the game plan. And call them and believe in me and know that I can go out and execute them in the passing game. And we got into a riff on the sideline and they had to break it up. And, you know, I wasn't the most vocal guy. I was only 22 years old. No, and I first met you, you're not totally vocal.
Starting point is 00:46:37 Yeah, so I felt like it was a need for me to step up in that moment in order for our team to be successful. And I did it. He changed his play calling. He got more aggressive. We went eight straight. And sometimes, you know, you need that it's, it's, kind of therapeutic for the relationship. Good to see anybody.
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