The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 12/09/2019

Episode Date: December 9, 2019

Colin explains why the Chiefs winning in New England was unimpressive and doesn't make him think they can go on to win the Super Bowl. He says the Saints and 49ers have separated from the rest of the NFC. He thinks people within the Browns are starting to turn on Baker Mayfield. He admits where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Plus, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez talks about the Chiefs getting over the hump against the Patriots and what the rumors about Odell Beckham Jr. wanting out of Cleveland really mean. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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One hour from now where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, there was a lot of both. another interesting NFL day. We've still got 18 teams. 12 go to the playoffs. 18 teams are still battling. We'll talk about that. Also, Urban Meyer stopped by next hour.

We got our final four in college football. And Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm great. This is an amazing football weekend. It was. I mean, we've been so, everybody talks about why the NBA ratings are down

because we can't stop watching football. The games are just unbelievable. Maybe you had the game of the year yesterday. Let's talk Kansas City and New England. So the headline today, day. If I'd have told you, you live in Kansas City, you're a Chiefs fan. If I told you this was the headline, Patriots home winning streak snapped at 21. You'd be like, yeah, I feel great about that. Kansas City, that wasn't, that wasn't the win we should have seen last night. That wasn't one

of those wins that makes you feel like we can go into Baltimore. We can go back to Foxborough and win. I don't know if there's an ugly win. That wasn't pretty, and it made me more. concerned about Kansas City. First of all, you scored three points in the second half. You didn't adjust. You better do that against John Harbar or second time against Belichick. By the way, you had a punt blocked. By the way, you needed several officiating gaffes,

and you can't run the football at all. It's getting cold outside. Everybody's got their winter jackets. You're wearing a windbreaker. I said last week, Minnesota lost last week against Seattle. And I said, Adam Thielen was out, Delvin Cook was out. I'm like that that was a good loss. Minnesota did not step back to me.

Kansas City won last night, and situationally, they were mess. They were a mess. Kansas City's one of those teams that's really talented. It reminds me of Steelers teams over the years. You know, Big Ben and Tomlin, big emotion, but they're not buttoned up. And by the way, Pittsburgh beat New England last year 17 to 10, but they weren't really buttoned up. Kansas City's not buttoned up. 10 penalties, bad special teams, didn't adjust at half.

a totally finesse offense. Baltimore's more talented in Kansas City and they're buttoned up. New England's not that talented, but they're more buttoned up. We are now getting into serious big boy football time. You've got to have your act together. And as pretty as the NFC is, the NFC is all pretty. It's New Orleans is flinging the ball all over the yard. And the Rams last night was Sean McVeal,

the misdirection and rolling out and receivers running the football's pretty. And San Francisco's got Kyle Shanahan and Jimmy G. Emmanuel Sanders and George Keller. NFC is Green Bay, finesse, fun, pretty. That's not what the AFC is. The AFC is teams that play outdoors in Baltimore in January,

in Pittsburgh, in Buffalo, in Foxborough, and you are not a buttoned up franchise. This is the time. The NFC is a fist fight. Everybody's physical. Baltimore's physical. New England's physical. Pittsburgh's defense is incredible. the Tennessee Titans are a physical football team.

The NFC's pretty. You know, New Orleans going to play in a dome, and if the Rams got it and they play outside. You got a lot of pretty. San Francisco doesn't get bad, you know, December weather. Buffalo, New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. You're not ready to beat those teams. You've got a windbreaker.

You're fast. You're slick. You've got two of the guys in the NFL that are faster than everybody, but I'm watching that game last night, and all I can think of is you're Oklahoma. You're fun, but you can't stop anybody. You're Oregon with Chip Kelly. I will not deny Kansas City is so much fun to watch.

I would love to see Kansas City in Baltimore on a fast track or in a dome. Lamar's flying around and Mahomes, Tyree Killer, flying around. But I watched Kansas City last night, and if there's such thing as a bad win, it didn't really change seating. And by the way, we know what New England's doing now. They're just collecting data. They lost to Baltimore, but they're collecting data. This is what New England does.

They lost last year to Pittsburgh, but they're collecting data. They lost to Kansas City, but did you notice in the second half, New England actually held Kansas City in that offense, the three points? They're collecting data. Listen, I've said with New England, I don't think they can win a Super Bowl. They need an over-the-top playmaker, and Antonio Brown is their Hail Mary. I don't know if that'll work out, but that's their Hail Mary. Otherwise, I don't think they're going in the Super Bowl, but you don't want to go back there again and play. You do not.

you do not want to go back there. And next time you go back there, it's 12 degrees colder and it's windier. And it may be snowing. And so much visibility, you couldn't land a plane in Logan that afternoon. So I did not think that was a good win for Kansas City. Didn't change seating enough. And I just saw situationally too many holes. By the way, so did Andy Reed, so did their GM.

So did Patrick Mahomes. I like what Patrick did. I like his leadership on the sideline, but overall not impressed. The headline sounds great. We snap the Patriots 21 game home winning streak. The results far less impressive. Now, let's go to a loss that I was really, really impressed with. The New Orleans Saints at home lost to San Francisco.

But all you have to do is grab the box score. That was a who had the ball last. The Saints, eight and a half yards per pass, 116 yards rushing. Half the penalty San Francisco did. and one time of possession. It was just one of those games. Drew Breeze was too efficient. He scored too fast.

I mean, it's like it was a who's got the last servant at Wimbledon. That was fantastic football. Drew Breeze said afterwards, and Drew's been in a lot of football games, but there was no bad team there. Now, San Francisco was a much more desperate team. Because if they lose that game, they can go down now in the NFC to a four or five seed and open on the road. but that's as good a loss as you can have in the NFL.

I mean, they moved the ball. New Orleans concerns me because they don't have a vertical dimension, but after that I'm like, okay, scoring's not going to be a problem. Here's Drew Breeze afterwards. This is like a heavyweight boxing match, just trading punches all game long, both sides. It really comes down to the last, you know, four minutes of the game, and what happens, and you just want a chance to win.

And listen, we had a chance to win, right? and so did that. Unfortunately, they were the ones who came out on top today. Listen, I watched that game yesterday, and I look at the NFC, and Green Bay is a finesse football team. Good but finesse. Minnesota, we don't trust their quarterback, but I do like them. Seattle, boy, are they Russell-Wilson dependent sometimes on offense.

Dallas, please, I don't want to hear it. But you watch those two teams, San Francisco and New Orleans. They can beat you with physicality. They can beat you with a pass rush. They can beat you with a ground game. They can beat you in a shootout. They can beat in a low scoring game. And again, San Francisco was the much more desperate football team.

I said yesterday and I said last week. I think San Francisco, I predicted they'd go into New Orleans, off that Baltimore loss, and they'd win that game. When you get a really good team and there's a sense of, oh, my God, we have to win this game, those are hard teams to beat. But I also saw something this year. Drew Breeze had five weeks off because of the hand injury. And at the time, we're like, oh, this is bad.

No, it wasn't. But actually Drew Brees yesterday looked fantastic. Remember last year at this time? Remember the last seven or eight games for the Saints last year, including the playoffs? Breeze looked tired. He looked like he needed a three-week break. Drew looks energized. He looks healthy.

Again, older quarterbacks. I've said this about Tom Brady in the last four to five years. His December numbers tail off. He looks tired. The season is long. Football practice is hard. I mean, Breeze lost his top tight end. It didn't matter.

He was energized. And by the way, that last go-ahead drive by the Saints, Breeze was vintage Breeze. He had five, six completions. The only problem is he scored too fast. The only complaint I have with the Saints, even after losing. I feel much better about New Orleans today off a lost and Kansas City off a win.

My only complaint with the Saints is I think Sean Payton as a coach sometimes can be reckless. I think sometimes he's too aggressive. And I like my coach's aggressive. And I like my executives aggressive. But sometimes Sean is highly emotional. And I think we felt it there. I thought he was a little reckless. Some play calling I didn't like.

But I can get over that because the Saints in the loss, to me, were more impressive than Kansas City in a win. Saints can still get that number one seed. Trent Dilfer is going to be stopping by this hour. Coming up next, uh-oh. I mean, we know Cleveland's kind of a mess. Now OBJ, according to Jay Glazer, wants out, is telling people he wants out. And what's Cleveland's option is this thing is now man overboard, Baker and OBJ.

That Trent Dilfer coming up next. We are loaded on a Monday. Don't forget 45 minutes from now where Colin is right, where Colin is wrong. And there is plenty of both on a Monday, which I thought San Francisco, New Orleans. I don't know, Joy, how you felt. I thought it was the football game of the year. It was a fantastic game, yes. But it's more than just a heavyweight bout.

Like it was, it reminded me a lot of that Chiefs Rams game last year. Yes. Which is like offense, offense, huge plays. George Kittle, Jimmy Garopla has a game of his life. Like it was everything we deserved. Yeah, we deserve that as a football nation. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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I've known Jay for a long time. He doesn't miss on this stuff. He doesn't make it up. He's not one guy to rush to Twitter to have the coolest, hippest tweet. He tweets when he's accurate. He reports when he's accurate. I made a call yesterday to somebody in the league I trust. They're hearing the same thing.

So let's start with a mess in Cleveland. OBJ never fit in Cleveland. I'm not piggyback in this. I said it from the beginning. It made no sense. They already had three good running backs. They already had David and Joku a terrific tight end. They had Jarvis Landry.

Their issue was offensive line, yet they traded away an offensive lineman. Their best or second best for OBJ, it never made sense. But Cleveland tends to be one of these low self-esteem sports franchises. They want to make a recently fired general manager comes over. They want to make a big splash and be the talk of the league. This is what low self-esteem people do. They reach for success and they whiffed on this. not happy. He's going to have career lows for targets. And also, you knew that Baker Mayfield

was immature. I mean, Baker's an accurate throwover of the football, but we saw it in college. We've seen it first year in the NFL. He can't handle himself. I mean, he's constantly in trouble. And Baker this weekend goes out and rips the training staff for the Browns. I don't know what he was thinking. And so then you could have brought in a mature veteran-wide receiver, an adult, not a young diva receiver who's an icon and is building a brand. It never made sense. I never got it. But Cleveland has a problem now because Freddie Kitchens appears to be a whiff as a coach.

And Baker does not look like a number one pick. If you got rid of OBJ, the general manager, John Dorsey, who got fired in his last job, he's not getting another one. He's not getting another GM job. If he gets fired here, he's done. By trading OBJ, he would have to acknowledge. Yeah, I've pretty much whiffed on my biggest decisions because Lamar Jackson in your division's a nightmare for Dorsey. Because of Lamar Jackson's maturity, coachability, athletic ability, accuracy really makes Baker in the same division look like a whiff.

He makes Baker look worse. I've always said, it's one thing if your brother's more successful than you, but if he's your neighbor, you look even more like a schmuck. Lamar Jackson in the division twice against Baker is going to make Baker look like a complete reach, maturity, accuracy, athletic ability. And Baker yesterday did it again. You know, I'm not here to hammer the kid, but he is so cocky and his instincts are so bad. This is just a no-no. You'll never hear me call out the – I love my sales staff at Fox. If I was unhappy, I wouldn't call them out publicly.

He called out the training staff. the medical staff for the Browns, which he an hour later had to apologize for. I'd say that, you know, it wasn't handled right. He's not able to run as well as he should be able to, as well as he knows, and that's frustrating for him. You can sense that's some of his frustration where that comes from. So it wouldn't handle the right way in our training room. So, you know, it is what it is.

And so his not 100% is still good. enough for us. What in God's name are you doing? Oh my God. What do I say about Dak Prescott? Every time he opens his mouth at a podium, the right stuff comes out with Brady and Breeze and Dak. I don't even have to love you as a quarterback, Dak, but a 30% of this job is being a grown-up. This is a $2 billion organization. He's now had to apologize to teammates for the Duke Johnson comments. Do you know who leads the NFL and interceptions?

James Winston and Baker Mayfield. Both showed signs in college of really bad judgment and really bad instincts and really bad immaturity. So I'll tell you my opinion right now is everybody when Baker got there was all in on Baker.

I have never been in on Baker, but everybody else was all in on him. That comment yesterday, there are people in an organization who are done with him. there are that medical staff guess what they they're your friend in a locker room those guys are your buddies they're your friends you just call them out that i can guarantee you baker is losing

people in that locker room executives medical people training staff he's losing people so uh it's this is a mess and it's very hard to solve now because the general manager is going to have to fire the coach, so he's already acknowledging he whiffed on the coaching hire. Baker now, showing the signs in college which everybody could see instinct maturity issues. You may have, and now with Lamar in the division, it looks like you reach for Baker. I don't know what you do with OBJ. I mean, I don't think it works. I don't think it's going to get better, but I think you're trapped as a GM.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. I thought that was a real big picture. thing with the Rams last night is that, first of all, Jared Goff can play. As Joy and I talked about that, he's fine. Now, now, he's not a kid that can play with guard, center, guard issues. He's not Lamar Jackson, but he can play. And last night, he made a couple of great throws. We overreacted.

It's the worst contract than sports. He throws a beautiful football from day one, I've said. He's Matt Ryan with a better long ball. He throws a beautiful football, but he needs good guard, center guard play. And he needs a running game. Matt Ryan got to a Super Bowl. Jared Goff last year got to a Super Bowl. He outplayed Drew Breeze in New Orleans.

Stop. Jared Goff's fine, but there are certain things he cannot overcome. For the record, Brady's never had a bad guard, center guard. This is Brady's weakest offensive line. He hasn't looked as good. Certain quarterbacks need help in certain situations. But my big takeaway on this is that in college football, you cannot have a bad Saturday. Season's over.

Can't win a national championship. In the NFL, you can have a bad month. I mean, Kansas City had a bad month. Baltimore wasn't very good in September. New England's bad now. But the key is in the NFL. It's not linear. Nobody's great for 16 weeks.

You have injuries. You lose key players in key spots. The question in the NFL is when, and they're outside of New England's like perfect regular season with Randy Moss, when you go sideways, When you have an injury, do you have the head coach that can spot the problem? Half the league can't. Okay, we got an issue and then solve it and scheme out of it. The best news for the Rams was, in November, Jared Goff didn't have a touchdown pass.

They had a crisis on the offensive line. Goff lost his confidence. Sean McVeigh, what's our problem? Okay, here it is. Now I'm going to scheme myself out of this, and he did. Do you notice last night? Goffs rolling. Goffs rolling.

The offensive line's not going to be great. They drafted a kid. They put him in. He's better than they thought I was told. And then they also said, we're going to get girly, more involved in a passing game. So the best news for the Rams isn't just the win. It's that you've got a coach that's smart enough to spot a problem and scheme his way out of it. Scheming is winning in this league.

Cleveland's a mess. They can't figure their way out of it. By the way, Tennessee started off Rocky. They spotted their issue. Our quarterbacks are problem. They replaced him. Tennessee's 1-6-7. Sometimes the issue is like Pittsburgh.

We're on our third quarterback. Mike Tomlin has said, okay, we're on our third quarterback. What am I going to do? He addressed it. And Pittsburgh, it could potentially be the weakest offense to ever make the NFL playoffs. And the Rams. We have a crisis O-line. We've got to start rolling guys.

They used their running backs. They used their wide receivers last night in running situations. And you sit back and you're like, you can feel great as a ram fan. Because success is not linear in this league. You're going to have bad months. September's always been New England's bad month. It just how happens now. December and November is the bad sort of four to five week spot for New England.

But don't kid yourself. New England lost five games last year to five non-playoff teams. New England's now collecting data as they lose close to Kansas City. Just collecting data. For Heard? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. So I hear this a lot. This is a big thing you hear in college a lot. Well, they haven't played anybody. Clemson hasn't played anybody. Clemson's no good.

They haven't played anybody. So the college football playoff rankings came out. LSU 1, Ohio State 2, Clemson 3, Oklahoma 4. Got no problem with any of it. Got no problem with any of it. But all year, all I've heard is, oh my Lord, this is the best Ohio State team ever. Unbeatable! Well, that's funny because Clemson was the favorite.

And wise guys in Vegas bet Clemson more when the number came out. All you keep doing is telling Clemson's players and their coaching staff, they're no good, they're overrated, they shouldn't be even a three. seed, and this is the best coaching staff in America. Nick Saban has told people that the staff he faced last year against Clemson is the best staff he has faced. Bama didn't just get blown out last year. Bama's coaches got blown out by Clemson's coaches.

Clemson's got a great head coach. Their defensive coordinator loves Dabo and Clemson, he's a head coach. They're offensive coordinators, also good enough to be a head coach. They have three head coaches on this staff, and they got five-star players everywhere. I haven't played anybody. Either did Pete Carroll's USC Trojans. That criticism just helps Clemson. Number one is they're healthier than everybody else because they haven't been in these physical wars like every other team, like LSU and Ohio State have been in.

Secondly, when you're a comfortable, dominant team like USC and Pete Carroll was in the PAC 12, you can experiment more. You can play younger players. You can develop young players more for those big late season. games because you're not in a lot of close overtime battles. And the other thing is, Clemson experience, I think they have the best coaching staff left.

I think they have the most big game experience of these teams left. I think they have as good a talent and the better quarterback than all these teams left. And by the way, all they've heard all year, and play anybody, Clemson's overrated. And that's what

Dabo is selling to his team for the next four weeks. Here's Davo. That's fun. I mean, you know, everybody loves a challenge, or at least, you know, we love one here. And, you know, I think that just, again, it's just, you're always looking for little things along the way to free fuel. When you're going across country, man, free fuel is good. It's expensive. Gas has cost a lot of money, so when you get free fuel, it's always, it's always good. Here's how overrated Clemson is. Last five times they've played SEC teams,

they're five and no with mostly blowout wins. You just keep telling them how they're no good and overrated and shouldn't be seated there. Because if this is the best Ohio State team ever, go look at the point spread. Because it's not the best Clemson team ever, right? They're barely lucky to be here. It's the best Ohio State team ever.

Go look at the point spread. Go see what the sharps are betting. Yeah. Like produce, how about them apples? Ohio State. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. All right, well, I do it every week because I make mistakes and I have opinions,

and I got to hold myself accountable for this stuff. And, you know, so we call it, Colin was right, Colin was wrong. And on a Monday, here we go. Where Colin was right? I had my best betting week of the year. I was 3 and 0 in my college picks and 4 and 1 in my blazing 5. I took the Chiefs to beat the Patriots in Kansas City. I took the Ravens to cover against the bills.

I took the Broncos and the eight and a half against Houston. That game was over in 10 minutes. And I took Cleveland to narrowly cover against the Cincinnati Bengals. The only game I lost, I don't even get into it. I bet Arizona again. I don't know what's wrong with me. I have no idea. Yeah, you're done dragging me into that too.

I have lost more Americans money on the Arizona Cardinals. I apologize deeply for that. where Colin was wrong. Well, I got to be fair. I've been critical of Patrick Mahomes. I know he's talented, but I'm like, where's the it? In the big games?

Where is the play? I don't care about your stats in your arm. I've heard that for Aaron Rogers forever. You got to win big games, road games. He won one. I thought he showed he played hurt. Okay, so that kid was not healthy last night. He also, I thought on the sidelines,

showed great leadership qualities. He was in guys' faces, veterans' faces. I thought Mahalm showed me, what I love about the best quarterbacks in this league. It's not about your arm. We know it's good. I know that's not the issue. Can you go on the road?

Can you play hurt? By the way, they fell behind. You're facing the best defense coach in NFL history. You're facing the best secretary. He made big plays and he deserves credit. That was an it game. I don't care about the stats. Leadership, barking at teammates, playing hurt,

winning in Foxboro, falling behind, overcoming it deserves credit. where Colin was right. What do you know, Uncle Colin nailed the OBJ thing? I told you, it's never going to work in Cleveland. It's never going to fit. And Jay Glazer reported yesterday, OBJ wants out. First of all, he's on career lows for targets and touchdowns and yards. Of the many things I didn't like about this, oh, he and Jarvis Landry are buddies.

Nobody cares. Nobody cares. These are young athletes in their prime building brands. They want their targets. They have bonuses based on production. I don't care if they're buddies. This doesn't work. OBJ is an international name.

Cleveland's a regional at Best City. You've got a young immature quarterback. Landry tends to be a volume receiver, so he's gobbling up 80 or 90 catches a year. And I felt that Cleveland would try to force OBJ to be happy, and that's exactly what's happening. And now he's not happy. And, I mean, this has been exactly what I thought,

which is, you know, some distractions. He's not a good fit with Baker. You should have never given up an offensive lineman for him. It's exactly what we predicted. Where Colin was wrong. Kauai Leonard is not yet better than LeBron James. LeBron is now the MVP of the league having an unbelievable year. And Kauai having a career low field goal percentage year has missed six games already.

Clippers are clearly second in Los Angeles to the Lakers. Lakers have won 11 straight road games, which is. just unheard of in the NBA. He also got Kauai crushed the other night in the biggest game of the year, not against the Lakers by Milwaukee. He's had a couple of stinkers. I still think he's a terrific player, but, you know, I kind of thought he would come to Los Angeles and take it over,

and he's not. LeBron is still the king. Where Colin was right? I don't understand the doubters on Jimmy Garoppolo. I just don't get it. I watched him yesterday at the Superdome out. duel a great Drew Breeze. Size, good enough.

Legs, outstanding. Confidence totally has an it factor. Accurate thrower, absolutely. And by the way, then went on the road late in the game and made the big throw. Remember, George Kittle's still a baby. The receivers outside of

Emmanuel Sanders are mostly kids. He's overcome offensive line injuries all year. They lost their fullback. Listen, man, he slings it. This kid, I always said there's a handsome quotient here. When you're that good looking for your entire life, you walk around with confidence. He plays with a ton of swagger. He has three, four touchdown games. He's eighth in the NFL and passer rating. I don't understand the critic. There's still critics out there.

When you can go into the Superdome on that final drive in the loudest stadium in the league and out dual Drew Brees, I don't know what else you guys need to see on Jimmy Garoppolo. where Colin was wrong. Utah football, that wasn't great. I thought they were the number four team in the country with all these NFL defensive players. They got rolled by Oregon. It was never really competitive.

Listen, the two most talented offensive teams they played all year were USC and Oregon, and both crushed them. In the end, listen, they never beat a really good team all year. Utah's problem always seems like the same thing. In the biggest games, they shrink. And they've always had good defense, but man, did their defense get exposed against Oregon? Now, Oregon's a real team, for the record.

Three NFL offensive linemen, maybe the first second or third pick at quarterback, Justin Herbert, but the Utes totally disappointed me. Where Colin was right? I've said for years, Joy, I laugh about this. I like the Tennessee Titans. And I never thought Marcus Mariotta was the solution. I always thought he was holding him back in the problem. Well, they replaced Marcus Mariotto with Tannahill, and they're six and one now.

Now, let's slow down on giving Tannahill a 10-year deal. He's a nice transitional piece, maybe a franchise tag him. He's a big strong kid who can run. A lot of Mitch Trabisky, but a better thrower. I don't see him as a five-year commitment guy. But this is a team that has a star running back, excellent receivers, a good slot guy, an over-the-top guy, good offensive linemen. I like Mike Vrable. You know, as much as we think they can't win big game.

They're nine and seven every year. And I always felt that Marcus Mariotta was a nonverbal kid at the most verbal position in sports. And so this, let's not give Tannahill six-year deal here. But this is kind of what I've been saying for years is I like so much of what the Titans do. But I thought Marioita held them back. They move him out. And clearly they're red hot. Where Colin was wrong.

I revoked the Sean McVeigh genius card a month early. When you watched them a month ago and you watched them last night against Seattle, you could take nothing from it other than, boy, Sean McVeigh's good. They still have real offensive line issues. Todd Gurley, despite what people will say this morning, is not Todd Gurley of old. But, I mean, Seattle, they have done a great job with their defense. Jalen Ramsey has given them options defensively.

went back to Gurley as a receiver too. A lot of rolling out of Jared Goff. I thought last night was, I mean, remember this. They were averaging 11 points a game in November, 31 in December. So that was a coaching referendum on excellent coaching. Where Colin was right. The NFL has said reportedly they will not change the playoff system. It's just Dallas Cowboys hate.

They don't care if Dallas wins their division with a losing record. They're not going to suddenly change it. The reality is sometimes a wildcard team like Seattle is better than a division leading team like Dallas. But I've seen three times in recent memory a division winning team with a bad record, play a wildcard team with a better record, and the division leader with the bad record wins the game. Does the media have to overreact to everything? This feels like Dallas Cowboy hate. I've seen Carolina win a division with a bad record, Seattle and the Chargers, and nobody freaked out. Now it's the Cowboys, and you're all freaking out.

God, the NFL's not going to overreact. Where Colin was right? Let's go back to Thursday. My knock on the Cowboys offense all year has been. I like the pieces. They have no identity because they have Kellyn Moore, a kid at coordinator, and he's just Colin plays with no self-awareness big picture. What did they do Thursday night?

So they have a 17 play opening drive. Zeke gets eight carries. Dak gets a couple. And then they forget who they are and just stop running the football. They had 12 rushing carries the rest of the game. Dallas Thursday night was the two things all year. And we spotted this two months ago. We spotted this.

What are they? There's a difference between calling plays. There are scripted drive is telling you what they think they are all week. Then they get into the games and they don't go back to what they scripted because they really don't know what they are. And again, defensively, every quarterback they face, Tribiskey, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen. It doesn't matter. They all have their best game of the year. So we were right on the Cowboys.

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He's our friend. He's Tony Gonzalez. Tony, what is going on? Hey. you still a Chiefs fan all these years later? Do you have a love for the organization? I do. Of course I do. I love it. Yeah. And so that felt that felt good for you. Yeah, felt good. I think they needed that on. We talked about that. No, yeah, let's tell that to the audience is that we know you guys are all tough guys, but there is a

psychology in this league. And that game felt like, at the end of that game, I'm like, oh my God, if Kansas City loses this game, this is going to be so bad. Yeah. Was there ever a team in your career that you, you couldn't, you couldn't get over psychologically or perhaps the opposite. You did get over early in your career. Well, I think the Indianapolis Colts with Peyton, they always beat us. Always.

We'd play there. Did they be in different ways? Whatever way it took. I mean, Peyton is such a mastermind with that offense. It was so hard to stop. Our defense could never stop them. Right. And then Dwight Freeney and the defense,

I mean, they were good too. And this is what it is. I think New England is that right now for the Kansas. She's that big brother, you know, that they're always beating us up, and they always find a way psychologically, even though we know we're tougher and we're faster and we're more physical and all that stuff, which they are right now as a team. They are. But still, Bill Belichick, greatest coach of all time.

Last night I'm watching that. I'm like, oh, my God. Five minutes left, you're thinking to yourself, they're going to win this game. Yeah, yeah, five minutes left. I'm thinking, here we go again. I mean, this is what they do. This is what, this is why I knew. England is so good. They beat everybody like this. I think I said it on the show yesterday.

New England is everybody's big brother. It's everybody's barometer test for how good are we? Can we win? Can we compete and beat the best team over the last decade or two decades now? Can we go into their house and beat them on their turf? Even though they're down, Bill Belchek will still find a way. The halftime adjustments that he makes, there's nobody better in the league. Besides Andy Reid, I think Andy Reid's a real good halftime adjustment. I want to talk about the Saints because even though the Saints lost, I felt like it was a real quality loss. I mean, it was just a heavyweight fight.

So you faced the Saints multiple times. And, you know, you didn't have to face Breeze. But there is something about the magic of the Superdome. I thought it's pretty impressive for San Francisco to walk in there and win that game. Yeah. That is a tough place to play. Huge. I told you.

I've won there. My five years with Atlanta playing against them twice a year. I think I won one time out in that. Superdown once. It's a tough place to play. And Drew Brees when he got the ball at the end of the game, I'm like, is it? I looked to Strayhand on the desk. I said, you want to bet? He's like,

no, because he took the San Francisco yesterday. And you knew he was going to go down and score. That's the thing about it's unstoppable in that domes. Drew Breeze, obviously, one of the best quarterbacks of all time, and still on top of his game, to go along with that defense, even though

they lost this game, it was like whoever had the ball last. That was who was going to win. That's also Strayhan said that. I want to talk about a situation. You're a thoughtful guy, but you admit when you came into the NFL, your first year or two, you're having fun. And then you got really serious and your career takes off. So some things obviously you can grow out of, right?

And some things you can't. Baker Mayfield calls out the medical staff. And I look at that and I think, okay, Can he grow out of this stuff? Or like, is this who he is? I'm wondering the same thing. I think he can. I think everybody is capable of changing.

That's just my thought process. You know, that's what my podcast is about. I don't mean to plug it like that. But I believe that he can if he gets embarrassed enough, if he starts losing enough, or maybe not. A lot of people, it's tough. But I believe he has the capability to do it. And the wheels are falling off. And I think you give a guy that much success.

You give him the Heisman trophy. You give him rookie of the year. Commercials. You give them all these commercials. You start buying into this hype that you have arrived. And the reality of it, yeah, college is over. So I don't care about your Heisman trophy. And nobody in the NFL does.

I'm sorry. Nobody gives a damn about that. No, most NFL guys don't even watch college anymore. No one cares. But when you get rookie of the year, it doesn't mean you're an all pro. You're not all pro. You're still probably this eighth, ninth, ninth best quarterback in the league, 10th or last. That's up

to us. It's a different subject, but you're still not one of, you're not the guy yet. And so you come into the season, I think he's trying, he's grasping. Like last night, when he's calling out the medical staff, let's talk, he's doing that because he's trying to go to bat for Adele. He's trying to show Adele that I care.

And I hear rumors, too, that you want out of here, don't leave, just know that I have your back. And I think that's part of it, too. He was reaching to protect the teammate. I think so, but then it's also being immature because you're not a doctor first of all. You don't know what goes. Sports attorney, the guys still played in the game. I don't know. You just don't say that. A real leader goes behind there and doesn't make a big fuss about it.

I was talking about Baker. I said, listen, there's a point where players in a locker room, when you get a new quarterback. It doesn't matter if he's a number one pick or whatever. Baltimore players obviously watch Lamar Jackson at practice, and they bought into it. They're like, this guy's scary. And I think guys with the Jets, they've seen Darnold be very good late in games. yesterday the drive and you're like, okay, we buy into it. But there are times when you're a top pick at quarterback, Tribisky in Chicago, and you can sense some guys in the room, they're watching them every day at practice and going, he ain't the guy. I wonder, with all the interceptions with Baker, he has regressed this year, he's been in trouble

multiple times. Do you think this medical staff thing, there's a handful of guys in that room that are like, Dude, I'm watching Lamar in our division. Ben's coming back. Like, Baker's not the guy. Do you think he's losing anybody yet? I think so, and I think that's why O'Dell Beckham wants out of there. I think he didn't come out and say that.

So I am putting words in his mouth. But the way I read the situation, you don't ask to leave if you think you're working with an elite quarterback. I would never want to leave an elite quarterback. By the way, when you heard you were going to Atlanta, you were the happiest guy in the world. Happiest guy in the road. And he was only in his state coming off a rookie of the year. But, you know, I showed up day one.

And I see Matt Ryan. I'm like, okay, this guy's got it. He gets it. He's going to be good for a long time. He's going to be a franchise quarterback. Baker Mayfield, obviously, is not shown that to Odell Beckham. And he's been around Eli. But for him to want out of there after one year, don't just tell me it's just because of the medical staff.

I beg, okay, well, we can fix that. You don't leave. You don't leave Deshawn Watson. You don't leave a quarterback you think's great. I'm not leaving an elite quarterback. And start naming them all. I'm not leaving Lamar Jackson. I'm not going to leave Deshaar and Watson.

I'm not going to leave Matt Ryan. I'm not going to leave those guys. Why would I want to go somewhere else if I'm working with an elite quarterback? And I think we, in a young elite quarterback, which is what we all thought coming into the season, including me, I thought this team was going to be a playoff team. They're loaded on that roster. And for someone to one out of there, it just makes me think this is all the, the rookie coach, the quarterback who's not playing up to standard. the whole way the things are run now. I see why Odell wants out of there.

It doesn't make sense, though. When you, we were saying this in the NFL, in college, if you lose a game, a bad game, season's over. But in the NFL, you can have a bad month. The key in the NFL is your coaching staff is smart enough to go, okay, here's our problem. Let's identify the problem. This is what I thought the Rams did last night.

So the Rams had a bad November. They identified the problem. Okay, we got to get golf out of the pocket. We can't protect guard, center guard. And I watched the Rams last night, and I'm like, they had a bad November. And I watched them last night, and I'm like, I wouldn't want to play the Rams now. I think they're going to go into Dallas and win. I think one of the Cowboys' problems is this year.

They can't identify what they do well and what they don't. Yeah. They run the football in the opening drive, then they don't run the rest of the game. When you watch Rams Seahawks, do you buy the Rams this morning? Are you selling some Seahawks stock? What is your takeaway? I'm buying the Rams. And I said this on.

yesterday that no because what they've shown me over that last month but they look great yesterday they looked great last week coach mcvay uh showing us that this is what you have to go through went through the gauntlet went through that down month and he's making the adjustments uh and jared golf looks better they're committing to the run which i think is what the dallas cowboys don't do even though he i think you average 3.4 yards of carry Todd girly they still gave it to him 23 times yeah that was big which helps everything it just it sets up everything they looked they look great and defensively, they got two of the best players at their position on defense with the D-Tackle in Aaron Donald. And Aaron Donald and Jaylon Ramsey.

So they're going to stop some people. They're going to be. And Wade Wilson called the Wade Phillips. I'm sorry. Wade Phillips calling the defensive plays. I think they're going to be okay. It's kind of like the cow, the bears. They're figuring it out.

And right now nobody wants to play to bears and nobody's going to want to play these Rams. Yeah. By the way, your podcast is wide open with Tony Gonzalez. You talk to all sorts of stars. in football and out of football, who's your latest big catch? Tony Hawk. Tony Hawk is, we dropped that episode today. So Tony Hawk was the skateboarder Supreme.

Yeah. And a very successful business guy. Huge guy. Huge. Did really well. Had a video game. Rocked it. Made a lot of money.

Okay. So where do I go to iTunes and I can listen to this? Yeah, any major pod class. Okay. Anybody, you're a very, a Hollywood guy. Any Hollywood people coming up? I got Neil deGrasse Tyson coming up. You know who he is?

Astrophysicist. Astrophysicist. I'm looking forward to that one. Very smart. By the way, you are in Hollywood and you do some dabbling and acting and you're committed to it. Have you seen the Irishman? I did. Did you like it? Did you like, some people say it was too long. I was like, no, I can't get it up for those guys. Those three guys, Pesci. Did you watch the Irishman? Oh, no, I didn't have five hours for a movie this weekend. By the way, you look like an actress today. She does. She does this once a week. She goes Marlina D. Dittrick or something. It's a 60. I'm just throwing a name out. Once a week I do old Hollywood glam And once a week Colin picks up his phone

During the middle of a segment And checks a source And doesn't tell us what they said She goes old Hollywood It's our tradition You do, you go old Hollywood once a week Yeah, very Judy Garland You look like you need like one of those cigarettes

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