The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: 7/29/20

Episode Date: July 29, 2020

Colin likes Aaron Rodgers no longer being passive aggressive about his future with the Packers, the Astros cheated and now must face the consequences, the Patriots never do anything at random, and Aaron Donald is one of the best players in the NFL.Guest: Former NFL Head Coach Eric Mangini Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, it is a Wednesday. It is great to have you in. We are live and about to get steamy Los Angeles, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. It is IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS-Wan. We had quite a show yesterday, Hard to Top. Charles Barkley, last hour, stopped by. All sorts of fun.

Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you today? I'm great. We're about to get steamy. It's supposed to get hot in L.A. It's going to get starting late today. It's going to get hot. Not that kind of steamy.

It's like I didn't get the memo. It's supposed to get now. Is it good because it's been kind of chilly the past couple days? It has where I'm at on the beach. It's been foggy and chilly, but they're saying it's going to get very, very steamy. So you know what I? It's funny about my wife. You know, once, twice a year, we have to have like the uncomfortable conversation about something,

kids, money, whatever it is. and my wife just says she don't like that. Oh, talk about that. I'm like, okay, today we got to talk about money. Money talk. And the reason I, I'm not a real passive-aggressive guy. You know, if I think something, I'll say something. And a lot of people don't like me for that.

Not just on the air, off the air. I'll just say, hey, this bothers me. I don't like passive-aggressive. And so, and I think the reason I'd rather people be aggressive is because, A, it's painful initially. You know, good news, bad news. what do you want to hear? I'm a bad news guy. Give me the bad news first. Let's get it out of the way and have a good life. So I've always been, hey, give me the bad news first. I like uncomfortable

conversations because it's painful initially, but then it creates trust. I mean, if that guy, if my wife can tell me the uncomfortable stuff, then I know she's not going to lie to me about the little stuff. And Green Bay's Aaron Rogers, I've been critical of him through the years because I think he can be passive aggressive. He went aggressive. He was interviewing on some podcast with Kyle Brandt, and I'm not sure ringer or something like that, and Aaron went into the most uncomfortable conversation an

older quarterback can have. I'm going to get replaced pretty soon. Here it is talking about Jordan Love first round pick for the Packers at quarterback. Was I bummed out? Of course. It wouldn't be. You know, like I wanted to play my entire career in Green Bay. I loved the city. I grew up there.

Really, I got there. I was 21. I'm 36 now. A lot of changes during that time. But look, I get it. I see it completely. clearly and I'm not bitter about it. It just kind of is what it is. Brady and Garoppolo, they had this irritation for three years. Nobody wanted to talk about it. In the end, New England gave Garapolo away for a second round pick

because nobody wanted to talk about it. It's one of the bad moves probably not keeping Brady but getting nothing for it that Belichick ever made. Chandler Jones was not a great move and Garapolo for a second rounder is not a great move. because nobody wanted to talk about it. Aaron's being brutally honest. I'm 36. I've had two surgeries.

You drafted them in the first round. Folks, if you draft the quarterback in the first round, they all play within two years. In fact, I believe the last quarterback to be drafted in the first round who didn't play in the first two years was Aaron Rogers. They're going to play Jordan Love. They're going to play him at least next year. And again, Aaron Rogers is willing to have a big boy grown-up adult conversation.

just look at the facts, you know, they traded up, they drafted them. I would say they like them. They want to play them. Now I think quarterbacks are playing earlier. It gives, you know, give some latitude for young coaches and GMs to, you know, to play their, to play their guys. And I get it. I really do. Like, I don't harbor any ill will about it. Like, was I bummed out? Of course. It wouldn't be.

You know, like I wanted to play my entire career in Green Bay. I loved the city. I grew up there. Really, I got there. 21. I'm 36 now. A lot changes during that time. Aaron's on a spaceship, apparently. I love this. Farve didn't end in Green Bay. Peyton Manning didn't end in Inby. Brady's now in Tampa Bay. Johnny Unitas. Peyton Manning, Joe Namath. You generally, if you want to keep playing, and Aaron does, you're not going to be in Green Bay. And he just, Aaron just took all the tension out of the room.

He's just, Aaron just said, let's just talk about this. You dress. after them in the first round. You're going to play him. I get it. This is the Aaron Rogers I love. There's no, there's no, this is not being a disruptive player. It's being a totally honest player. I was told by my agent years ago. And it's the smartest thing my agent ever said. The company you work for in the media makes the decision to get rid of you at least a year or two before they tell you. And I know that's true because in the last year, I've seen two people. who do what I do for a living, get demoted or lose a gig, and I heard about those conversations three years ago.

That's the way it's working. Green Bay is having conversations right now about Aaron Rogers. Two collarbone surgeries. Appears to be slightly out of his prime. Really super expensive. You know, can sometimes irritate certain executives or coaches. This is the conversation you need to have. Jordan Love's going to play early,

and Aaron's adult about it. logical about it, aggressive about it. This is not a bad day for Green Bay. Aaron just took all that, like, tension in the facility. Hey, boom, you're going to replace me. I get it. Let's go play. By the way, I'm not going to let you beat me.

I'm going to be great for the next three years. They're not going to, I'm going to make the Packers have to make a brutal decision because I'm going to be great for the next two to three years. There's no tension here now. Instead of Aaron not saying anything, and all of us, like guys like me are like, oh God, they put Jordan Love in for a red zone, offensive set. This is, oh, oh, God, he looked good in preseason. Oh, what are you?

Aaron just eliminated all of it. Be willing to have uncomfortable conversations. It's painful initially, but builds trusts which at the end. Wasn't the reason Brady left New England? Wasn't it like a trust thing? It wasn't because Belichick was a bad coach or Kraft was a bad owner. They weren't paying him. Like Brady didn't really trust they could get him weapons.

Brady didn't really trust that they'd go out and spend money in free agency. It was a trust issue. Brady just didn't trust that they would get him what he needs to beat Patrick Nahomes and Lamar Jackson. To me, if I'm Green Bay today, I'm like, thank God. Aaron just talked about the one thing we're going to have to kind of talk about for the next three years. Speaking of talking, Dusty Baker's the manager in Houston. He's very upset. Last night, the Astros, cheaters play the Dodgers, non-cheaters.

And, of course, the Astros won the World Series a couple of years ago over the Dodgers while cheating. Now, that's not to say if they had not cheated, they would not have won. Who knows, but it was egregious. They were basically not just stealing signs. They were stealing signs and relaying that information to all their hitters in Houston. who it appears were better because they knew exactly what was coming. Off speed, fastball location, blah, blah, blah. So last night, what do you know, a Dodger pitcher,

sails a ball on a 3-0 count over the head of an astro, and Dusty Baker does not like it at all. You know, you don't throw the guy's head. That's playing dirty baseball. Now you're hurting his, you're ending his career. and then, you know, what really enraised everybody is when, you know, he told Carlos, when he struck him out. And he told him nice, wing, b-and see what he's supposed to do then.

And that's a good question. I want you to remember that sentence. What are you supposed to do then? So what are you supposed to do, says Dusty Baker, if you call my batter a name. So, Dusty, what are you supposed to do? when your team, the Astros, stole a World Series from me, and all baseball did was, you know, fire a GM

and take away some draft picks. We didn't get the World Series. Dodgers didn't get it. What are they supposed to do? This is a sport that polices itself. That is the culture. And what you're supposed to do is now throw the ball at Astros. This is, baseball has the most,

punitive repercussions in the world. Even in hockey, if I bang one of your guys up against the board and you send a thug out to beat on me, at least I can throw punches at you. This is what you do in baseball. As Dusty said, what are we supposed to do? They called us a name. What are the Dodgers supposed to do?

Taking away draft picks? Doesn't get him the World Series ring. This is what you do. Well, he threw it his head. name the litany of players whose careers have ended getting conked by a baseball. Dickie Thon, 80s, Astros, promising talent, hit in the head, played years later, but was about a 250 hitter. This is what you do. Listen, I'll never be in a drug cartel.

But if I was, you don't steal from the boss. The repercussions, they lop your head off. I'll never be a mobster. But if I was in a New York crime family, I'd never say. sell heroin. The bosses don't like it. Why? You end up in the Hudson. If you work in baseball and you are willing to cheat egregiously, these are the repercussions. They throw an orb at 98 miles an hour at you. Ribs, butt, shoulders, head. Listen, there are a lot of ways in life. I'm willing to push the envelope and cheat. Speed limit 60. I'll go 65. What am I going to get? A ticket?

I've jaywalked before. Want to get to a restaurant quicker. Don't want to wait nine minutes for a light. What am I going to get? A $20 ticket? I've pulled up before. Seven minutes on the parking meter. I think it's going to take me 10.

I'll roll the dice. Ooh, a parking ticket. When the repercussions, you know, in football, I'm super aggressive. I may jump off sides. Ooh, a five-yard penalty. So what? That's why so many edge rushers,

they inch, they inch, they try to guess, they try to guess the snap can. If we're leading by a couple of touchdowns, you've got to throw. It's a five-yard penalty. Okay, it's second in five, not second-and-ten. But in baseball, these are the repercussions for cheating. It's a sport that has the most punitive repercussions in the world. Soccer doesn't do this.

Basketball, a hard foul. All right, get a couple free throws. Football, you're off sides. That's a five-yard penalty. Baseball, you cheat. I'm throwing at you. High. then don't cheat.

Like you got to know in your business what's the penalty for the crime. And obviously baseball is not a cartel or a mob family, not analogous. But there are places where the crime is a slap on the wrist. That has never been the case in baseball. You cheat, you are a target for a long, long time.

They hold grudges in baseball. I mean, forever. It's a sport that's history is everything. And Houston, 98 in the ribs, 98 high. That's what you get. Sorry, taking away a few draft picks and firing your GM is not enough for the Dodgers. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. So, I have said, if people's resume shows me a history of being smart, prepared, and manipulative, then that's who they are. Most of the media in America believes a bunch of things are happening for the Patriots in the last three to four months, and they're all just random. You know, they just had a camera guy up in the Bingle's press box to tape them. It was just totally random. Every day we think the Patriots are just doing something, the Patriots say, you know, it just we didn't have any idea.

We find out that they did have an idea and there was a plan behind it because there's a plan behind everything Bill Belichick does. Yesterday, finally, an NFL executive went to Adam Schaefter and said about all the Patriots opting out at the same time. He said, Bill's mastermining all of this. Shefter said, for what reason? And the executive said, I don't know, but that's who he is. exactly. Every time the Patriots get caught with something, there's this. We don't know what you're talking about.

And then we find out they knew exactly what they were doing. You believe in the last four months, these are all random occurrences what I'm going to speak of. Number one, they weren't remotely aggressive in free agency. Well, they always go after a couple people. Two, they let some really good players go valuable. Like Kyle Van O.Awey, they like, that were marginally expensive. All right. Number three, didn't have any real plan to replace Tom Brady. Sorry, Cam Newton was not a plan.

It was a bad news coming. Let's sign him. If it's a plan, you wouldn't have the rest of the market have a shot at Cam Newton. You wouldn't until everybody else had a quarterback. That's not a plan. And number four, now all their players are opting out. You think these are all random? This is the least random coach in the history of the league. This is the least random organization in the history of the sport.

They do nothing without preparation. But I think this is one of the few instances where I think the fans get it over the media. The media doesn't want to say tanking. And I don't see it as tanking. The word scares us. I don't think they're tanking. But I'll give you an example. I sold some Starbucks stock.

two, three days ago, at a loss. Now, why did I do that? I never bought the Starbucks stock to lose money, but over the course of this year, I sold some stocks because I thought the market was too heated up. I sold some DocuSign, some Shopify, good stocks I'd had. I made a lot of money, and I sold them.

But that means capital gains, I'm going to pay taxes. So a couple days ago, I looked and I thought, I need a loss because I don't want to pay all these taxes. And I look at Starbucks, and I'm like, you know what? I bought it to make money. I don't think in the next five years it's going to do nearly as good as some other stuff. So I sold it at a loss. I didn't buy it to lose money, but I sold it as a loss to take a step backwards,

help me with my capital gains, to get two steps forward, won't have to pay as much taxes. Nobody buys stocks to lose, but you sell them sometimes to catch your capital gain wins. the Patriots aren't building they see there's three A plus college prospects and about three teams in the league that need them and they've got enough draft picks where they can move in more so we just we keep winning Super Bowls we got a bunch of equity

we're up against the cap let's let a few guys go not be aggressive let's see what we got in Jarrett Stidham and oh darn if we go seven and nine and have a nine pick and outside of Jacksonville, nobody needs a quarterback, we get one. I don't think this is tanking. This is not tanking, it's restructuring. It's selling a stock and a loss to help you with some capital gains wins.

Okay, so I don't see it that. The other thing, even my buddy Ryan Rusillo, who I love, fell into this trap yesterday. He said something. Listen, listen quote to the end of this quote. Velichick's not telling all of these guys, hey, you know what, Patrick Chung, Hightower, just shut it down. I just don't think Belichick is wired that way. I don't think football guys are wired that way.

I think the only people that have ever really suggesting tanking or front office people that have come from like non-traditional football backgrounds. And I think Bill is still wired to want to win every single game, win this division without Brady. And yeah, of course they're going to need a long-term solution to quarterback. But to tank for a high quarterback draft pick when 50% of these guys flame out anyway, no matter who's evaluating these guys, I think it's to just punt on an entire year in the NFL is so, foreign to these guys. Okay, so Warren Buffett buys stocks, like Belichick, he's wired to buy stocks and make money with all of them. But Warren Buffett occasionally sells a stock. Belichick is wired

to win all the games, but he does see sell a little to gain a little. Secondly, this narrative, 50% of these quarterbacks don't make it, was true by entire life. It is no longer true. Outside of Paxton Lynch, there hasn't been a first round quarterback bust in six or seven years. Can't say Josh Rosen yet because he's gotten no opportunity. It's about 80% make it. Because the league is changed. It's more collegiate schematically.

Players don't bust in the first round. If you get Trevor Lawrence, it's hitting. If you get Justin Fields, it's hitting. If you get Tray Lance, it's hitting. It's no longer a 50-50 proposition. Now, it was my entire life. My entire life, it was a coin flip of a guy made it. It is not anymore.

The game is more offensive. The rules are more offensive. there's more college schemes. This generation of college quarterbacks has been throwing 10,000 passes since they were nine years old. These seven-on-seven, elite 11 camps, it's changed everything.

The bust rate has plummeted. Mitch Tribusky is seen as a bust. He's got a winning record. He won a division. He should have won a playoff game, double doink. And he's a bust. He's got a winning record.

So it is not tanking. It is, I believe, I don't believe these are all random occurrences because I think the Patriots are the least random organization in the history of the league. Just how I see it, maybe I'm totally wrong. But I think they're going to end up in top 10 in the NFL in the draft. I do. I do.

They just don't have any playmakers. They don't have any special players. Now that Hightower and Patrick Chung are out, who are their special players? They don't have any cam running for his life. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. All right. So I saw this. The NFL, top 100 players, NFL.com, players vote on this.

And players, you know, they like mostly accurate, but players like what they like. And they got Josh Allen in here. Carson Wentz not. I'm out. I'm a Vegas car dealer. I'm out. List is stupid. But I'll tell you this.

The top 10 has been released. Now, they haven't told you the order of the top 10. But here's the top 10 players that they'll put them in order tomorrow. Stefan Gilmore, Aaron Donald, Derek Henry, DeAndre Hopkins, Lamar Jackson, George Kiddle, Christian McCaffrey, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Thomas, Russell Wilson. I don't know if I put Derek Henry there, but it's a pretty damn good list. But you want to know what defines great in the NFL. One guy, Aaron Donald. Not Patrick Mahomes.

Aaron Donald is so good in a clearly offensive league where clearly everybody appreciates offensive players, he plays an unglomerous defensive position, and he's an dominant number one player. When Lawrence Taylor was in his prime, if I would have asked you, who's the second best edge rusher in the league, you could have argued over 30 guys. That's how big the gap was. When Reggie White was the best defensive lineman, I said, who's second? You'd argue over nine guys.

That's how big the gap is. Aaron Donald is so dominant in this league, the second best defensive line. to players is a guy who's always hurt J.J. Watt at 45. Patrick Mahomes is great, but he's not as electric with his feet as Lamar Jackson. He doesn't see the field like Tom Brady. He's not as elusive as Russell Wilson. He doesn't have the lightning release like Aaron Rogers. And Mahomes is great. But there are elements of Patrick Mahomes that aren't Russell, that aren't Brady, that aren't Lamar Jackson, that aren't Aaron Rogers. There are elements. Aaron Donald is the best at everything. He's the best against

the run. He's never hurt. He's great in the locker room. He has 44 sacks and 46 games from an interior line position. If I say who's second best, JJ Watt can't stay healthy. There is no second best. I mean,

there are things that Russell Wilson does better than Patrick Mahomes. No defensive lineman does anything better than Aaron Donald. He's the best at everything. Never hurt. Great teammate, he is doubled on every single snap and often triple teamed. And you cannot stop him. He is unbelievable. He is the three best defensive guys I've ever seen. I'm not counting like safeties. Ed Reed was sick. Dion was sick. In the box, it's Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor,

Aaron Donald. That is it. I don't even know who's second best. And nobody, even the players acknowledged, the number two defensive linemen is J.J. Watt. Aaron is a, and I love Fletcher Cox, and I think Chris Jones is special. I don't even think they're, this guy is absurd. And our buddy Dave Wonstat recruited him out of high school. He was not a big recruit. That Aaron Donald is unbelievable. How about this one?

So I've been defending Aaron Rogers a lot lately, and I'm getting tired of it. But I defended him today. He went aggressive. He talked about Jordan Love. I really liked it. Aaron doesn't like me. He thinks I'm always negative. I'm not.

90% of what I say is good. I think he's passive aggressive. I hate that. And I don't think he's the easiest guy to get along with. I've got proof. But be that as it may. First ballot Hall of Famer, top six guy in the league. I think he's moved a little out of his prime,

but he's still a, you know, he's top four or five guys in the league easily. This, though, I couldn't do a show being nice. So the athletic did a quarterback tier poll. Mike Sandow was on the show yesterday. day. So he does this every year. He talks to 50 coaches in the NFL, head coaches, coordinators, all that stuff. And they vote on tiers. And Aaron was in the first tier. That's fine. But when I read this, I cringe. Said one of the executives, you know, I've faced him so many times. He's the same guy. The weapons around him have fallen off. You know, before they had a mix of young

and old guys, a Randall Cobb and Greg Jennings, James Jones. I mean, Devonte Adams. He's good. not number one. So the insinuation here is Aaron, you know, he just doesn't have the support. Timeout. Pro football focus. I trust them on O-line grading, Green Bay number four. Russell Wilson's O-line number 28. Devonthe Adams is a number one receiver.

Aaron Jones is a number one back. Good O-line, star receiver, starback. I'm not saying it's perfect. But since Aaron Rogers got the starting job, in Green Bay. We looked this up this morning. He's had 12 pro bowlers on offense. Some of them multiple, two and three and four years.

He's had 12. Tom Brady in 20 years in New England had 11 in twice the time. And almost none of them outside of Gronk were like multiple year guys. It was a one-off. By the way, Russell Wilson, all his time in Seattle, six offensive pro boulders. And I'm here to tell you. A couple of, Marshawn Lynch was a dog, but there's some borderline all pros.

So Green Bay is overwhelmingly been a rock-solid organization for Brett Farb and Aaron Rogers' career. Now, culturally, it is not a free agent destination. You cannot blame Green Bay for that. They don't have an owner, and it's culturally, it's a tiny, tiny town. So you can't blame Green Bay for that. That's just the reality of them. I mean, I got nothing against the New Orleans Pelicans,

but they're not as glamorous as the L.A. Lakers. That's not their fault. That's their reality. If you're 5'3-3-you'll never play in the NBA. It's not your fault. It's your reality. But Green Bay is a well-run organization. They've almost always given Aaron a number one receiver,

a really good offensive line. That I bristle at, that he just doesn't have the support. I'm not saying he's got Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes' support. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying he even has Peyton Manning, his career support in India. I'm not saying that. But let's slow down and he doesn't get help. Come on, give me a break on that. Russell Wilson's O-line has stunked since they traded away Matt Tunger.

Four years of garbage. They can't get the tight end position right. Doug Baldwin's his best receiver. He was undrafted. Come on. They've whiffed on a bunch of first-round pick. Green Bay doesn't whiff on a lot of first-round picks. Seattle does. So that I bristle at. And, you know, I was being really, you know, mostly say nice things about Aaron. But that one I'm always like, come on, come on, slow down. Slow down.

I don't want to hear about that. Green Bay's well run. There's five organizations in the last 20 years that have almost always been well run. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New England. You would admit, though, they bailed on giving him a defense of any sort, though. Well, bailed or, I mean, it's not like they haven't drafted defense for three straight years. Bailed or top free agents don't want to play in Green Bay.

I don't think they bailed on it. I mean, they've gone heavy into the second. secondary, and they went and got two free agent linebackers last year. I don't think bail's a fair word. I think they've, I think they've, I think they've given him more than enough help on the offensive side. And Aaron has been, he has helped elevate those players. Aaron deserves credit.

Their defenses haven't been as good. But there's a reality in this league. I mean, he's got to go out and put up 35 points every game to win. Hey, I'm carrying this network on my shoulders. You don't hear me complaining about it. Okay. I'm a jerk today. I really...

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That tells you how people are starving for sports in America. I do think baseball is in a unique spot with all that travel. It's a little bit of a global sport. I think it's going to be really hard for baseball, but I think they're going to get through it, and there's going to be stops and starts, and it's going to be difficult. But the games have been great.

I've been watching them. They've been fantastic. Not as much juice without fans, but the networks, Fox has done a great job to give you some ambiance. I've enjoyed it a lot. Eric Mangini, three years, a Jets head coach, a couple of years in Cleveland. He's coached under Belichek, Harbon, Bill Parcells.

part of three Super Bowls in New England is joining us in Cape Cod, beautiful part of the country. So let's start with the Jamal Adams trade. Let's start with that. So Saturday I get it on my phone. And my initial reaction is, good, hell. Seattle gave up a ton for a safety. Minka Fitzpatrick got just one first round pick, and he's terrific.

So that's my gut feeling. And then you can peel layers back. But what was your initial take when you saw it? The same thing. The fact that Seattle was willing to give up two number ones really bailed out the Jets because once you start going after the owner, which is, look, he had gone after the head coach, he had gone after the organization, and then he went after the owner. So the Jets were going to have to make a move.

He couldn't stay there. So if you wait, you know that his value is going to come down. It's not going to go up. So to pay that price, that's the price that you would expect there to be multiple suitors where you had to push it that high. Yeah. So Aaron Rogers talked about the elephant in the room. So if you were the coach, Aaron came out yesterday on a podcast and said, I'm probably not going to end my career here. I'm not bitter. But they moved up to get Jordan Love in the first round. They moved up to get him. I'm older. I'm expensive. And to me, my takeaway was he now releases all the tension out of the room. Everybody can talk about it. We're all aware of the situation. We don't have to walk on eggshells about. Jordan Love at practice. I loved it. As a general manager, it's like I can go up to Aaron and we don't have to pretend it doesn't exist.

But if you are coaching Green Bay today and Aaron's come out and said, listen, I see the future. I'm not in it here. Would it bother you? Well, I think that's the message that they wanted to send when they drafted the quarterback. When you make that decision, you're saying that we're drafting the future. And Aaron Rogers was the one guy in that team that was untouchable. And Aaron at times, look, I don't know him. I've never dealt with him from a coaching perspective,

but I'm sure he's got a pretty strong personality. And for a young coach, this sends a message to him and to the rest of the team that this is, there's nobody bigger than the team. If anything, it's a great situation because Aaron played extremely well last year. And now if he thinks he's going to be leaving either next year or the year after,

you're getting an even higher motivated player because he's working on contract years. He's working on his potential future, which isn't going to be in Green Bay. But I don't think it's going to be next year, Colin. I think we're at least two years away from that. Okay. So, listen, nobody agrees with me on what I'm going to say.

But nothing the Patriots do is random. They're the least random team in the history of the world. Everything's got a plan. So they didn't really go after Tom's replacement. Cam Newton, they let everybody in the league have a shot at him. You know, they brought him. That wasn't aggressive. They weren't aggressive in free agency.

They let really marginally expensive guys go. Now the whole team's opting out. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to go seven and nine or eight and eight. They're not tanking. But good Lord, we got three A plus quarterback prospects. They don't have a quarterback for the future. How can I not be a little cynical and think, this feels like this doesn't feel random to me.

So tell me how wrong I am. Okay, you're completely wrong. Cam Newton situation, that was that was a function of a lottery ticket. All the risk is on cam and that. They've got $550,000 in on Cam and what does Tampa Bay have, $50 million in on Tom Brady. So if he works out, he works out. If not, they've got the two guys that they had before. In terms of playing for a quarterback, Bill's been a head coach.

This will be 26 years. He's never drafted a quarterback in the first round. He's got two of his kids on the staff. This is a year where Tom Brady moves on and everybody's debating legacy. I don't think that he's immune to that. So the idea that he would tank or try to lose to get a top-tier quarterback, no chance. Tanking's the wrong word. Couldn't you say he's rebooting?

It's a convenient time to reboot. Just like it's a convenient time sometimes to sell a stock. You didn't buy it to lose money, but if you're going to take a capital gains hit, you sell a stock to help you on taxes. You certainly didn't buy it to lose money. But there are times where the timing, Golden State's a prime example. Golden State, they're not tanking, but Steph got hurt, clay's banged up. You know what? Just a pretty good year for us to take a step back to get a lottery pick next year.

What if I took the word tanking out? He's rebooted. Well, look, I don't think that they need. knew that this many guys were going to opt out because they would have nothing as random as you said and then they plan and they look towards the future. So if you had anticipated this volume of guys opting out, you probably would have done some things differently. I was surprised by that number as well. But it's and I get your market analogy and I get your stock analogy. But this, it's not the same. He has to reboot almost every year. He's the king of rebooting,

but it's always rebooting with the idea of winning the division and being a position to go deep into the playoffs. It's not rebooting in order to get a quarterback. He doesn't draft quarterbacks high. That's not what he does. And as he gets further on his career, it's hard for me imagine he's changing that philosophy that dramatically. The NFL, let's ship gears, top 100 players, voted on the players. So some of it's nonsense. They got Josh Allen in there, but not Carson Wentz. Stupid.

All right, whatever. If I said to you, I said to you, forget position, single best football player in the world right now. Who is it? Well, I would have to go with Patrick Mahomes. I think that it's hard to argue against what he's done and then the type of force multiplier that he's been in Kansas City. and the fact that he was able to overcome some of those leads that they had. So it would start with him.

You're talking about league multiplier stuff. Okay, I don't care about position. So I would argue this. There are things in the league that he's not the best out of quarterback. He's not as elusive as Russell Wilson. He's not as explosive dynamic with his feet as Lamar. He doesn't read the field quite like Brady. His release isn't quite as fast as Rogers.

Aaron Donald is so good that there's no second. You can't even pick a, the number two ranked defensive lineman is a guy that can't stay on the field, J.J. Watt, who has like 50th in sacks. Aaron doesn't even have a peer. And it reminds me of Lawrence Taylor. When Lawrence Taylor was the best player in the league, if I ask you, who's the second best edge ratcher? There really wasn't an answer. He was so far above everybody else. Look, Aaron Donald is amazing.

Just look at him over the last couple years. He's almost 35 sacks. Was it 45 tackles for loss and close to 65 quarterback hits? And everybody's planning to try to stop this guy. It's not like he's sneaking up on anybody. You're game planning to make sure that he doesn't ruin the game. And he still has that type of production. Yeah, he's incredible at his position.

And he's an interior defensive lineman. You can slide the line and get some help for him. And then you can also keep backs in it and try to deal with them. People are game planning for him and he's that disruptive. Yeah, he's an incredible player. What was your first year in the NFL? My first year in the NFL was like 1994, I think. So Lawrence Taylor was out of the league.

Yeah, I watched a bunch of my dad growing up was a diehard Giants fan. So I watched a million Giants games. It's like the only thing we could watch in our house. So I got to see plenty of Lawrence Taylor. Didn't take much to know even as a young kid that he was different than everybody else. Was Reggie White out of the league? No. Reggie was still around at that time.

Yeah. Because that's what Aaron Donald reminds me of. He's so much better than everybody in his position. Colin, the thing with defensive lineman is you, talk about that all the time as a head coach and his offensive staff, who's the one player that can ruin the game? If we don't take care of them, if we give him that single opportunity, who can single-handedly ruin the game? And every single time you're talking about Aaron Donald. And year and year out, he's barely ever missed any time once he missed two games in his career.

So he's had impactful level of production year and year out and miss no time. it's hard it's hard to find a peer yeah it sounds like you're backtracking on that mahomes comment to me that's what it's if he finally no how can you possibly take an interior defensive alignment over a quarterback you couldn't you can't do it count if that's the way you see the world i don't know okay okay i know you're i know you're in a bad mood today so this is a non-alcoholic beer is reportedly taken over the world and i said i'm moving to canada i'm not drinking non-alcoholic beer what's the point where does it hear that from the non-hobolic beer commercials? No, Twitter.

Twitter's totally accurate on everything. Yeah, that's where I get. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

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