The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for 06/21/2019

Episode Date: June 21, 2019

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be in. However, you may be making it as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. Filling in for Uncle Colin, he'll be back on Monday with the hottest of hot takes. If you're listening to the IHeart Radio app for Fox Sports Radio,

Thanks so much. We got a great show for you. Jay Billis will join us next hour. Rick Buecker, the hour after that. Aaron Torres from Fox Sports Radio, a guy who, like me, is a draft Nick. A hoop head. We'll join me in 15 minutes to get his thoughts.

The latest on Kauai Leonard, kind of interesting, like little side nugget note. You won't believe who the potential more, guacamole, moly, is, with the New England Patriots. That one's kind of interesting. And stop me if you heard this before, but a team in baseball who signed a guy

to a ridiculous contract isn't performing as well as they thought they would perform. You guys heard that one before now? And no, it's not the Angels. They're actually performing better than you thought they'd perform. Doyers take three out of four from the Giants. All right, let's get to last night's NBA draft.

You know, there are times in life when there's a fair trade. There are times in life where divorces are amicable. I didn't grow up child of divorce. My parents were married. It's 1968. My dad died four and a half years ago.

They were, I mean, look, there was ups and downs. I'm sure there was some tough moments. There were some plates that were broken. I'll never forget. I got my parents one year for their anniversary. I got them a set of steak knives. and I had a great little note in there. Hey, a good knife might have ended this thing a long time ago, right?

Like, that's a good note. I was kind of happy with myself. But I'm not a child of divorce, so it was always strange to me. Just always, my wife's family, they've been married, you know, her mom was a teenager when her mom, my mother-in-law, was married to my father-in-law. They've been married ever since. It was really amazing story You know

You're talking about two couples combined Married over 80 years And they're both still alive And very healthy and kicking So I always had this view Of divorces man That's like the end of the world Then I have friends that are like

Yeah you know Life goes on Colin's a perfect example of that I was friends with Colin back with his first wife, Kim, great lady. And now Ann, great lady. You know, Anne already had kids.

Colin already had kids. Now they have like the Brady Bunch. And it's just kind of eclectic mixture of it. Matter of fact, Colin sent me a video of his daughter, bungee jumping in Africa. That was like, no, thank you. But it's amazing. But I remember Olivia when she was,

when he first moved to Connecticut, I'm going to say she was three years old or four years old. She was always mature then. I mean, she kind of same person now as she was then. But that's a perfect example. Like they both moved across the country. They have found a way to make it work and go on with their lives and have successful. Like sometimes it does.

So I was watching what the Pelicans did with the Lakers picks. And remember, they still have Brandon Ingram. It wasn't just the number four. pick. It was Brandon Ingram. It was Josh Hart. It was Lonzo Ball. Brandon Ingram has the compartmental syndrome, which apparently

they think they fixed. The Lakers never loved Brandon Ingram. He was like the last of the Mohicans, the last guy selected during the Mitch Cupcheck era. So he wasn't necessarily long for the Lakers. He was always part of trade bait. But he's a good player. It's a good player.

He looks like he could be Durant. He feels like he could. He's not Kevin Durant. He's not. He doesn't shoot three as well. He's not as tall. He's not as good a rebounder. He's not a dynamic of player. He's just not. But he's a good asset to have and he's a very good versatile defender. Josh Hart, they felt like they got a steal and they got him. It kind of soured on him a little bit. When they tried to start him last year, he didn't, he wasn't necessarily good enough to be a starter on a playoff caliber team. Good character guy. Got a little bit in his own feelings, you know, when things weren't going well for him. But like,

Josh Hart's going to be a pro for 12 years, 15 years. And then Lonzo Ball, who's kind of the prize of this thing. But Lonzo Ball, the thought is at best, he would be the third best guard in his own draft class, right? The third best guard? And he hasn't been healthy for an entire season. And I do think that he'll be really, really good. But you got to give to get. And then people go well, the draft. The draft picks is the perfect example of how this thing could end amicably. I think David Griffin did an

amazing job. Amazing job. Obviously, he's got picks upon picks to come from the Lakers. But remember, like the Zion's are, Zion Williamson is, in fact, a Haley's comment. He's a

comet. He's a once-in-a-generation-type player. It doesn't mean that he'll be as good as LeBron James, who is another once-in-a-generation-type player. I'm just saying six-foot-five-and-a-half dudes that can jump to the moon, defend every position, have no ego, are left-handed, you know, like all the different things, have this play with this big smile on their face or tough can score the low post. They don't come along very often. And of course, they traded out of the fourth spot and drafted Jackson Hayes, who I love. like Jackson is like a JV player until like his junior year in high school and then didn't start until a senior year in high school.

And then, you know, he grew, he blossomed. And I think eventually he's got a chance to be a really good player. They traded out of the 10 pick and got Nikola Alexander Walker, who's from Virginia Tech, who's very talented. And then they got a kid from Brazil who none of you have ever seen plays. I'm not going to bore you with it. The point is that, hey, Alexander Walker and Silva, it's a crapshoot.

And what David Griffin is doing is playing the numbers game. It's the same thing that college football programs do. One superstar five star does not your program make. You get 24 stars or 10, 4 stars and 12, 3 stars. and the volume of your recruiting class, you develop, you nurture, and you put them in the right spot, and you find out who's going to become. And by the way, all of these future draft picks, you do know the draft is not getting older, it's getting younger.

Most people have concluded based upon what Adam Silver has said, that the one and done will go away and you'll be able to go straight at a high school, which means instead of drafting 19-year-old kids who aren't ready to play, have to playing a year in college, you're going to draft 18-year-old kids who aren't ready to play and haven't even gone to college yet. They've never been in a defensive stance. They don't understand the first two rules of defense, stop the ball and guard the bucket, right? Like all of these things, I'm overdoing it a little bit.

But look, my dad was a college coach. I played for a great high school coach since now a great junior college coach. I got to Notre Dame and I felt like I had never played basketball before. She's a different level. Forget the athlete. It's the attention to detail and the coaching and things that you have to learn. But I bring it up because, look, the Pelicans are never going to be able to get free agents. They're just not.

You know, one of the guys they trade away was Solomon Hill. To move picks, to get rid of that fourth pick and get. get the eighth pick and the 10th pick, but the 10th pick they end up moving out of that. They got rid of the Solomon Hill contract. And Solomon Hill was a guy who was with the Indiana Pacers, and they had to overpay in order to get him to come to New Orleans, and then he got hurt before he ever even played a game there, and it's a terrible, terrible contract. But why do you have to overpay to get Solomon Hill?

Because you're in New Orleans. The only chance they have of being successful is. is to, you know, is to trade for a bad contract like, you know, like the Drew Holiday deal or a guy who, you know, when front offices change, or to draft a guy. And the only way they can be successful drafting isn't, you can't pin your hopes on one draft pick. You got to do it with volume, volume, volume, volume, volume.

Then you look at the Lakers. Do I think they overpaid? Probably. But the Lakers, they, They don't have to operate the same way the Pelicans do or the Thunder do or the Timberwolves do. Like they don't have to, the jazz do. They don't have to trade for or draft their best players. In theory and really in practice, the Lakers have always been able to get the best players to come to Los Angeles.

Right? Happen with Kareem. Happen with Shaq. I mean, frankly, it happened with Dwight Howard and late with Steve Nash and those things didn't work. I mean, but it did in fact happen. Happed with LeBron. And now it's happened with Anthony Davis. I know they had to trade for Anthony Davis, but he wanted to be there. And so the point is that I look and I was like, all right, so what did they really give up? I like Lonzo Ball.

But if it's Lonzo Ball or Anthony Davis, are we having this guy? If it's Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram for Anthony Davis, we're not having this conversation. Right. No one thinks those three players who are good players that are going to be NBA players. And you know what? Lanzo's got unique skills man. He's a tremendous defender. He can rebound. He can really pass. He's got to learn how to shoot

and he's got to stay healthy. And oh yeah, by the way, he's got to figure out a way to have a better killer instinct. He gives up the ball way too quick. All that said, would you have freaked out if it was those three players for Anthony Davis?

Who would you have said got the better end of the deal? you'd say the Lakers, right? You'd say, oh, Lakers, I mean, they kicked David Griffin's ass six ways and sideways, right? And while you'd say, well, why didn't they trade the fourth pick? Because that fourth pick, if you draft a first rounder, he goes on your salary cap. And, oh, yeah, by the way, he's not going to help you win this year or next year, even the year after that. So now that you see Jackson Hayes and the Keel Alexander Walker and Marcos Luzada Silva, like, do you still think that the Pelicans won the trade?

No. When I was a kid, I used to trade every day at lunch. My mom would make brown schweger and mustard sandwiches, and for some reason I liked them. And to balance it, I would get a couple of Oreos, right? Maybe some chips a hoy. And I just, I mean, look, Oreo is the greatest cookie. Double stuff is a waste of time. It's the perfect example of more is not always more.

Less is more. But I used to trade that for chalupa or taco snack. One of the hot lunches that you could get. And now I was eating like a king. And the kid that had the taco or the taco snack or, I mean, that traded me for my chips of hoy or my double stuff or my Oreos. that kid got something that he couldn't get elsewhere. Meanwhile, I still got the, I still had the Oreos at home.

I just ate him for lunch. It was a fair trade. And sometimes though divorces, you know, feel like it's the end of the earth. And one side got over on the other. The truth is that, yeah, maybe the wife got screwed the divorce, but she got rid of him and she's going to have another husband, another dude, and a better life. and the kids are happier because the parents aren't arguing.

Right? There's no uncomfortable. Sometimes divorces are amical. Sometimes trades are fair. Even in the NBA. Remember the Paul George trade? Remember the Paul George trade? Is Oklahoma City better because of it?

Yeah. Is Indiana better because of it? Yeah. I mean, like you couldn't have seen Victorola Depot getting hurt, but they love Victorola Depot. He's an all-star. They like their team. team. And Oklahoma City likes Paul George and got to hold on to him. Guess what? It's actually

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Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This from Adrian and Ward Janowski, no, it's not a, it's not somebody who's they focusing on, right? That was his way of tipping picks last night. My wife was, she was all over me. She's like, are you watching the draft or looking at your phone? I was like, both. Both. She's like, you're not a gecko.

Am I? Am I? Like, ah, I can know what's going to happen based upon my friends in the league that are texting me and, and Woj who's texting me. So, I will do. the self pat on the unfortunate fall from grace for bowl bowl seven foot three um had a cup of coffee at oregon before breaking his foot earlier this year and i was tipped off by a couple of different guys one gm texted me and said i said who's i actually said who you guys looking at and he's like i'll tell you we're not looking at said bowl bowl is sliding and i said why he said you know why he said

Yeah, there's some off-the-court stuff. And is it the foot or the fact that he doesn't bend his knees when he plays basketball? He's like a little bit of both. And some people said they had no medical issues. It was more off-the-court stuff. Some said it was medical stuff. But there's enough there where everybody in the league's like, yeah, no. And honestly, like, is the human body supposed to be 7'3 playing NBA basketball running up and down?

It is fascinating how the league has changed, right? If you go back 10 years ago, right, Hashim the, remember Hashim the beat went number two overall? That wasn't a mistake or anything, was it? But you used to be big, you know, Bruno Fernando would be a top 10 pick. Top 10 pick. Look, there are some things in life that we discuss. We really don't know much about, right? Like, have you ever had a legit conversation with your investment guy over exactly,

what he's doing with your portfolio. Anybody ever had this? Well, I got some ETFs and, you know, we got some low-interest stuff and we got to, and I'm like, are we making more money than, are we a little bit ahead of the market curve? Yes.

Good. Am I paying less in taxes based upon the money that I'm making than I should? Yes. Okay, keep doing that. I got no idea how it works? And then what I do is I get my, send me what I'm all invested in. And then I send it to a buddy of mine who does it for a living. And I was like, does this look reasonable? Yes,

this is all good stuff you're in. I'd move this to that. And then I, you know, I reword it. And I'm like, here's what I like to do. I got no idea how it works. It's like you pop up in the hood and you're like, I got, I got nothing. I do, I know how to change the oil. I can change an air filter. You can check the oil. But like if a belt is bad, like spark plug, good luck. Good luck.

That's how I feel about Kauai Leonard. Right? Like, we all feel like we know. You know, like, yeah, it feels like maybe he stays in Toronto or he goes to the clippers. This is from Agent Ward Janowski. Kaui Leonard will meet with the 76ers now. In addition to the clippers,

the Knicks and the Nets. We have no clue. no one has any sort of clue. Like we think it's the Clippers because his uncle apparently told the Spurs he wanted to end up in L.A. He's from Southern California. And the Clippers were walking around

telling everybody, he's coming, he's coming, he's coming, he's coming. But like, do they really know? Well, we all just nodding our head like Lemming's going. Like, yeah, that sounds really, really good. Really good. Well, It's like fixing the NCAA. Everyone would say, well, we need to fix the NCAA.

Well, the NCAA is just a governing body made up of the member schools, and they all have their own things that are important to them. And you got to take into account the fact you have tax-free status, you want to remain as such. In addition to the fact that you have to have Title IX, so any opportunity that's given to a male athlete, you got to give to a female athlete. Like, we all look at it linear.

And we're like, well, you made money and the players didn't get it. Like, no, you're getting less money from the state than you've ever gotten for college athletics. When people donate to college athletics and the universities, they don't get a tax write off anymore. Thanks to your boy at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Oh, I didn't think of that. No, you didn't because you looked at it linearly. You're like, all right, problem, let's solve it. Like, there's so many other things you have no idea about.

No idea about. which is the same thing with Kauai Leonard. We don't know how much his girlfriend and baby play a factor into it. We don't know if he cares about the clippers or if he wants to be in a big market like New York or if he likes the idea of staying in Toronto. We have no idea. So we react to the news. 76ers, really?

That doesn't seem to fit. Or maybe it does. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. You know, Colin often talks about how quarterback A quarterback is a position of a leadership, right? And there is that they can all throw it, they can all spin it, but it's how do you lead? How do you, in fact, how do you in fact lead?

Like, I mean, Jay Cutler is the perfect example. I've shared this with people before, but when he was in Chicago at the end of his run with the Bears, They actually took his locker out of the locker room because other guys disliked him so much. And everybody knows Jay Cutler can throw football. Like, Jay Cutler can spin it like it's nobody's business. Yogi Berra, what do you say, that baseball is 50% physical, 75% mental, right? Which is like sports, especially positions of leadership.

It is, you know, 50% physical and 75% percent. leadership. We're about to hit free agency bonanza. And though it doesn't appear to be as much fun as we thought it would be, it's still going to be wild. There's still going to be guys that get constriction like, what? Huh? How much? And when you look at it, you sit there and go, all right, what do you do if you're the Brooklyn Nets? So the Brooklyn Nets, they honestly and truthfully believe that their culture is so good. Remember, it's established. They hired Sean Marks, who comes in from San Antonio, you know, played a Cal, Aussie, guideway about him. Now, here's a guy who understands what they've done in San Antonio. Let's kind of create that

same thing. And he made chicken salad out of chicken, you know what. He inherited an absolute abject disaster. And then, Early on, they took on bad contracts and you're like, what are they doing? Hired Kenny Adkinson and, man, it kind of came together this year. And so the thought is, if you have the culture already established, you can now bring in a star, kind of like what the Clippers are doing. Bring in a star, they'll absorb the culture. So the Lakers will reportedly meet with DeAngelo Russell, which I'll get to him in a second. The Nets are reportedly worried about only signing Kyrie Irving to a max contract without another star like Kevin Durant to pair with him.

Like, yeah, we heard about Kyrie and the Kyrie thing when he's the guy. And we're not that big a fan of the Kyrie thing. I'll defend Kyrie from this argument. Right. From this argument. Do I think Kyrie Irving is a leader? I don't. I don't think Kyrie knows exactly.

who he is. I think he knows what he wants to be. I'm not sure he knows exactly how to get there. Right. It's like you ever had that dream destination that you want to, man, I really want a vacation in Croatia. How are you going to get there? How are you going to get the time to get away? Where are you going to stay? Like, I have no idea. I just know that at some point in the very near future, I want a vacation in Croatia. It looks gorgeous. And because it hasn't been, you know, the destination for other people until recently kind of doesn't sound crazy expensive. Weather's nice, people are nice,

I might be able to get away with speaking English, right? How do you get there? No idea. I mean, I'm sure I could fly to New York and then from New York fly to Croatia, but that sounds expensive. And then stopping in Europe sounds really, really long. I don't know how I'm going to get there.

I don't know how I'm going to do it. Get that much time off work. But at some point in time, I want to do it. that's Kyrie Irving with becoming a superstar. I made a movie and people like me, but for whatever reason, I'm not viewed as one of the top 10 players in the NBA. I'm just not. Now, I'll give Kyrie the past from this perspective.

It's not just Kyrie that led to the downfall of the Celtics. It's not. I shared a story about Kyrie and one of the questions he asked of Brad Stevens early this year. and Twitter took it and it's become pretty funny, right? Because he walked in one day in a film and asked Brad Stevens, what do you think the word government means? I mean, look, the other example that was given me from Boston people is go back and watch

the series against the bucks. How many times he switched off and he's guarding Janus? And like, if it looked weird to you, it looked weird to everybody on the Celtics bench or in the Celtics brass. It's in fact what Terry Rozier was talking about. Their whole defensive game plan was a lot like the Warriors and how they hide Steph Curry. They wanted to hide Kyrie Irving. Some of it, because he's not a very good defender, some of it because you want to rest him as well at defense.

Because on offense, that's where he can lead the team. And you go back and watch, and there's some instances where all of a sudden, Janus is being guarded by Kyrie Irving. Man up, spread court, like, no, that's not what we want. But it's because Kyrie's ego was in the way. He doesn't know who he is. But I'll give him this bit of a pass. You know, look, could you have seen the fact that when his knee was bothering him, they'd take out the metal and then they'd find out the screws in his knee? One of them was infected.

Who saw that coming? Could you have seen Gordon Hayward break his leg in half? Who could have seen that coming? Who could have seen them advancing in the playoffs to the Eastern Conference final? without either. And because they had had a pre-established culture before he got there, and because Brad Stevens is beloved by star players, including LeBron James,

and earned the respect of LeBron and others in the NBA, and because they had succeeded on some level without him, got to a game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals without their two highest paid stars. When he returned, he wasn't just fighting over the, is it conch or conch? Did we establish what that is? Lord of the Flies? You know, whoever has the conch,

or conch actually was in control of all the other boys? Wasn't he just fighting over the conch, conch, whatever. Like he's fighting against the, hey, we were better without you. And without Gord. And then he's also dealing with the, they're trying to play Gord and Hayward too much

because they paid him a bunch of money and they were trying to have him ready for the playoffs and he wasn't good enough to be getting the minutes, which cuts down on everybody. else's minutes and cuts down in their shots, which cuts down their points, and they are ticked. That's not all, that's not on Kyrie Irving. That's on bad luck, on bad management, on coaches that are unable to kind of share the message of why and what exactly they're doing.

But let's be honest, if you're the Brooklyn Nets, aren't you just a little bit cautious of the reputation that he has? A little bit? Aren't you just sit there and go like, wait, we got a good thing going here? we've got a good thing going here. Yeah, maybe we're a player away from competing for a championship or at least putting ourselves in that discussion. And if Toronto loses Kauai, like, man, that steps us up.

And we add somebody, they lose somebody. But yeah, they should rightfully be concerned. Because he came across like an A-hole all year long. And when you come across that way enough, your reputation becomes established, it's really hard to climb out of. The same goes for DeAngelo Russell. Like, wait, the Lakers are going to meet with him?

The previous coaching staff told somebody close to me that he was their least favorite Laker they had ever been around. And the guys that I was talking to had been around the Lakers a long time. He was a combination of being entitled and not being.

nearly as good as he thought. Plus, he wanted to be a leader, a lot like Kyrie, but he was a hangout guy, like to go out at night and do the Hollywood thing, and then he would do the worst thing, which is like bring the other guys with him. So none of them got their work done.

All of them were hangout guys. And yeah, he made the All-Star team as a replacement. And he did absorb the culture of Brooklyn. But wouldn't there be a buyer beware if Brooklyn doesn't offer him a big contract and they just had unforeseen success and he

was their best score? Like wouldn't that tell you all you need to know about how Brooklyn feels about him? Are we really going to do this again? We're like, no, DeAngelo is different. And I do think that he's different. I do think that he's matured some. But he is a volume guy. You know, there's a reason that they tied their ship to spend.

Senator Dinwiddie instead of him. And a lot like the Celtics, the Celtics, they don't want to lose Kyrie, but they're not all that bum that he's gone. The Nets don't want to lose DeAngelo, but they're not going to be all that bum that he's gone. Shouldn't that tell you something if your other teams? Tell me something.

I have yet to see a leopard change his spots. On the other hand, should be pointed out, that adult leopards do have a little bit different coat than baby leopards have, right? Is that fair? Like baby animals, they don't change. Their markings don't change, but the hair or the fur does get more coarse, more worn in. That's the question for DeAngelo, and that's the question for Kyrie.

Can Kyrie and DeAngelo process all the things that people have said about them throughout their career and use that to energize them to becoming better teammates, better leaders? If they can, yeah, not everybody is born a leader and you can't improve. your leadership and your maturation process. Like, that's reasonable. On the other hand, they both have their defaults, right? Reset to default. And both guys, when reset to default, are,

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This is the herd. The man you heard or saw breaking down all the picks last night on ESPN. Is their lead college basketball analyst. He's Jay Billis. He's kind of have to spend some time of this here on Fox Sports Radio. You've been doing this for a long time. I remember

2003. I was doing the radio side in 2003. And I remember when, you know, the day before they have all those press conferences and Dwayne Wade came in and he had a great smile and a great presence. And Carmelo Anthony had good control of the room. And Chris Boss was a little bit more reserved

but quiet. And then LeBron walked in and you're like, that's different than any other kid I've ever talked or thought about. Is Zion the same in terms of that type of presence that he has in a room. Forget about what happens when he takes the basketball floor. From anything I've ever seen, especially considering he was a high school, high school player.

And even though Zion's probably about the same age as LeBron was coming out of high school, like when he played at the ABCD camp against Lenny Cook and all that stuff and TNec. And it had been going on for a long time. So the draft was kind of the culmination of all that. I would say, I agree enough, but I've never seen anything like Zion. on a basketball court. I know, like, I don't think he's the best player of a combination of all the things we've talked about all year long. It's really kind of hard to take your eyes off him.

And, you know, I was making a, you know, our ratings, basketball ratings were up this last year, in large measure because of Zion. It wasn't because we had, and they wanted to seem wear. Yeah, I remember I saw you early in the year and you said he's a, he's a phenomenon. And I thought that, I thought that was for you, like you're not a hot take. big statement sort of guy. Like, you're just very matter of fact about it. And you were right.

It was a phenomenon. I did the Louisville game on radio, and I watched people gather around when he's just coming out to warm up. And I'm like, I get that it's dunking, but it's more just people just want to see. I guess the biggest fear is the weight and, you know, like the shoe that exploded against Carolina,

that embodies the torque that he's putting on. his knees, his ankles, his hips, his back every time he plants. Is that your biggest concern? Well, I think it is on skill level and ability and all that stuff that you're going, okay, well, the only thing is really getting their way is injury. I'm not worried so much about his size and the shoe thing because, you know, it's funny when the shoe thing happened and, you know, I say, well, I've never seen anything like that before.

And then I got bombarded on social media after the game with people. say, like, okay, well, if those guys did it, then it can't be just the act of that stuff. And, you know, all these teams have it about that, they'd flag it. And I kind of harken back a little bit to 07 when, and obviously the game was different back then. You know, I don't think we'd look at it the same way now. But when Greg Oden was the number one pick, you know, people look back on that now that somehow the Trailblazers were a bunch of crazy people. But, you know, I don't remember anybody any problem.

I just, I don't recall that. If it did happen, everybody kept it a profound secret. You mentioned Greg Oden. Bruno Fernando goes in the second round. I mean, we see something that, like, the league has changed so remarkably. Like, I think bowl, some of it was injuries, some of it was other stuff. But, like, during the time in which you've done this, how remarkable is the 180 the league has done? in that basically, you know, I think Zion's a 6-6, 6-5-and-a-6-6 in bare feet,

you know, power forward small ball center. Whereas you go back 15 years ago and people would have said, well, he's got to be a three, you know, at his size, he's got to lose some weight and be a three. How much has the league changed and evolved over the past couple of years? Yeah, like guys, guys my age or your age, because I remember, like you brought up 03 with the LeBron draft, talking about Zion.

But if you really went back then, remember, like, the conventional wisdom at the time was, you know, all things being equal go with size. It was, it was, Jay, excuse me, I'm sorry, the line I was always told was, in the NBA, they said, if you're going to make a mistake, make a big mistake. That's what they would say. Anyway, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Well, like, I think, like, so if you had the Odin-Durant decision to make now, but back then, you know, the game was even different. And so in that short of time period, We've kind of had to, we look at everything. Last night in the first round, would not have been drafted in the first round 10 or 12 years ago. And, you know, like, I think it's better than I'm giving them credit for. And, you know, they're going to get a lot better.

So if they have a couple of deficiencies, so I took thinking out. I think I've been a little bit quicker to adjust with the way the game's being plowed, you know, sort of the asymmetrical thread of the three-point line. And it's so it's, I don't know, revolutionized. And that, I don't know the true definition of revolutionized, but I think you actually nailed it, right? revolutionized everything. It's completely changed how we look at like defensive rotations and this is maybe too much in the weeds but when you and I grew up right plan not even you and I grew up again when I first started in this

business if you're you're in the corner and a guy drove on your side you're helping and then recovering now you never help off the strong side like it's totally totally changed change change the sport I want to ask you about RJ Barrett because we came into the year thinking like he was going to be the guy that everybody was fighting over. There are some people that think he's a little selfish. He didn't shoot it as well as you would have hoped. On the other hand, we all know the NBA game is much more wide open.

And you would think you give him the ball, you spread it out, you give him NBA caliber shooters, and he can go back to being as dominant and as much of a breakthrough player as he was in international basketball and before he entered Duke. What do you think of RJ Barrett? What will he look like the next couple years in a Knicks uniform? I know all the things that he's capable of doing. You know, the one thing he doesn't do, not a consistent opportunity. You know, he shoots a good ball and didn't shoot.

And he was 30 when to take him. And he's really, I think if he gets to the NBA and they. How do I know that? That was my hope. Personal experience on our games. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to talk about running and rebounding or anything. I wish. I wish. That was my argument. That was my argument. Like, as a terrible shooter in college, like, look, if I get to the pros, I'll be decent, right?

Because just, but you're, you're totally right on it. Okay, I noticed you threw in a Vilnius and a hunt for red October line, yes, which is one of my favorite movies. I always some reason that sticks out in my brain. Right. And in the second round, I was so bored and so waiting for it to be over because it took an extraordinarily long time last night. Yes. The first, I don't know what it was, but the first round took forever. And in the second round, you know, usually often, and there might be three to go by quicker.

And I just couldn't help it. I just threw that in because it helped me, you know, my own personal fun. Yeah, you also had a sound of music line in there, too. That was really, that was, I mean, that was, now you're, now you're, now you're, now you're, really getting kind of it was more austin hours because that was the first thing i thought of when i saw that suit was uh was hey baby and behave i mean that that thing was was brutal um you know and be happy with it no no it's gonna be one of those like well i was just that was just a kid from wisconsin in new york for the first time like all right dude but yeah that's gotta be top

to ensembles and there have been some bad ones um but samaki walk samaki walker's hat right and jalen rose's red suit yeah but you look back on the red suit now and it's really not so big. It may be a little bit funny. And we were about 94 or something or 97. And then last night he was wearing a Redson. Yeah, help me out with this. So the NCAA passed a rule that you could, all these kids could go back to college that weren't drafted last night. The problem is that the NBA and the NBA PA deems them to be free agents. So theoretically, even if you went back to college, they could be drafted out of a college, they could be signed out of a college program in January and then join an NBA team. People have wanted to put you in charge of college

basketball and college athletics in the past. I'll put you in charge of the NBA and the NBA draft. Would you be open to the idea of you don't get drafted last night, you can go back to college? I think you should be able to go back. I'd be in favor drafting players and be able to park them in college, just like they park them overseas or park them in the G League if they wanted to. I don't see a problem with that. I mean, the thing that really bothers me more than anything is sort of the NCAA. Somehow, if you're not going to be Bill Bradley or Shane Badiate, we don't want you at all. And we want to have players out of high school.

We don't want to deal with them at all. Like if you come for, if you reclass and you can come in and are you, if you, if you, you know, Like how many of those guys last night that got drafted ever had to take a class in a major? Probably very few of them, if any, that, you know, obviously. Now, I'm not saying that's a horrible negative, or they shouldn't be in college or any of that nonsense. But if we really think college is a good thing, the NCAA should be thinking of ways,

and then if they're there for a year or two years, you know, because you've established, like, I think it's been good for Zion Williamson to be in college, I'm not some Pollyanna guy. I think it's been a good thing. Right. And I think he's more likely to come back. He's got a relationship with the university that he can always go back there.

And I don't think that's a bad thing. You know, the Carmilla, and he was there for whether he's gone back to, you know, try to finish his schooling or anything like that. But I think we should be thinking along those lines rather than putting up stops that have the audacity. I couldn't agree with you more. I think they actually have. I think the NCAA does a terrible job of promoting it to the public, right? I honestly think that's a big part of it, is that like, now you can come back and you can actually be on the court coaching as like a GA on scholarship, you know, anytime you want to come back.

And I just think they do a terrible job of celebrating their success stories and of some of the things, some of the barriers that they have broken down. All right. Last thing, I need you to fix. The hat thing, right? Like the greatest moment in these kids' lives is you get drafted, you put on the hat, and you're, shake the hands of the commissioner, right? But the problem is you get all these trades that take place and poor Reese, like his head is spitting. I don't know how you have no idea how to, do I talk about the player? Do I talk about it? You do a great job.

Let me just tell you about the player. Forget about how he fits because we don't know what team he's actually drafted for. But that the picture of when he's shaking hands with Adam Silver, forever now, it's going to be a hat that he, DeAndre Hunter is not a Laker. He's never been a Laker. He'll never be a Laker. yet he has a Lakers hat on. How do we fix this problem?

Yeah, and drafted by the loan, you know, sort of in the history book, the timing of, you know, free agency has done July 6 and all that stuff. But it is, and it is confused. You watch the NFL draft. You know, when they draft somebody, well, okay, this guy's going to the Patriots, this guy's going to the Chargers. It was, while things were changing, they were changing, you know, during the draft. I mean, Adrian Wojianowski is like, well, geez, okay, I'm over it,

you're going, now wait a minute, remind me. So this guy's going to Oklahoma City, no, it's Atlanta now. And it's a mess. But they've been doing it that way for a long time. The one thing that's better, though, is that now that you know, but now that you've got guys like Woj reporting this stuff and they don't have to, they don't have to tiptoe around it, they can just report it. At least we have it was that many years ago.

You'd be sitting there talking about, well, how this guy fits, and then 10 minutes later you'd find out, well, he's not going there. and he wasn't picked to go there. So every, you know, like the, and so we wasted all this time talking about where a guy's going and he's not going there. So I agree with you. I just don't know that there's any quick, that's becoming a sport itself. That's covered more than parts of the season is. And it's amazing how they've done that.

It's a year-round sport now. Well, listen, we'll see you in Southern California this summer. In the meantime, take a good respite. You've earned it. Thanks so much for being our guest. All right, brother. See you soon. All right.

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