The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for 12/23/2019

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

Colin laughs at people complaining about what Dak Prescott didn't have when you compare it to what Carson Wentz is working with. He says Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield are remarkably similar but one fan base is already sick of their QB because of his attitude. He calls the Cowboys a mentally and physically soft team and talks about it with Cowboys Insider Matt Mosley. Plus, Colin admits where he was right and wrong over the weekend. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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oh here we go on a holiday Monday no days off live in LA this is the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening we're on iHeart radio Fox Sports Radio and FS1 one hour from now where Colin was right where

Holland was wrong. Plenty of both. It is great to have you in on a full Saturday and a full Sunday of NFL football Packers Vikings tonight. Joy Taylor is joining me. Wow, wow, wow. It was quite a weekend. We had a big Christmas Saturday party at the Herd Burger.

The Herrugger. It was good tip off for the Sunday of action we watched. Yes. And I have to give a shout out to my nephews and my brother, Isaiah and M. and Jason. And Jason, they won the national championship game for St. Thomas Aquinas and Isaiah had an interception. So it had a big weekend. Big weekend for everybody.

Let's start with the obvious game, Dallas and Philadelphia. So I'm watching that game. And afterwards, the big talk is, I can't believe Amari Cooper wasn't on the field for that big down for the cowboys. And I'm like, that's your complaint? I tell my kids all the time, not interested in the problem. Find me a solution. Carson Wentz hasn't had his best receivers or running backs for a month. And you're whining about Dak not having Amari Cooper for a play?

Carson Wentz has made three heroes three weeks in a row. Boston Scott against the Giants. Greg Ward against Washington and Dallas Goddard against Dallas. every week he has to make a new hero. And Dak didn't have Amari Cooper for one big play. Carson Wentz, first drive of the game, his best player, Zach Ertz, literally get split in half. They put ace bandages on him just to keep him together, I think.

So from that play on, he didn't have his top receivers, his top backs, he had backups to backups and didn't have a top tight end healthy. and yet he wins a game. So his best target gets hurt. Forget the cluster injuries all year. Offensive line. Wide receiver, running back. His best tight end gets hurt in the first drive.

Carson Wentz in the last four games has 1,200 yards, nine touchdowns, and the only picks on a Hail Mary. He is taking a rickety, broken down, stage coach across the Sahara Desert and he's pulling it by himself. And you're telling me, Dak didn't have Amari Cooper for a play? That's like Dak complaining that he couldn't find a changing station for his Tesla app and the whole road trip is canceled. Give me a break.

This is what franchise quarterbacks are. And you don't want it to be this. I've said this. A franchise quarterback, you can't ask him 16 weeks to carry. the team. That's not fair. But you can ask a franchise quarterback if you're paying them 35 million. Listen, we've had a multitude of injuries. We got backups to backups. Could you carry us for like a month? That's reasonable. And that's what you need. You can't tell me that DAC didn't have Zeeke on a huge carry. Or gosh, Randall Cobb wasn't on the field. Who gives a rip? Michael Gallup was there.

The best offensive line in football was there. Zeke was there for almost every big play. And what about the previous four hours? You had so many breaks in this game, Dallas. The weather was perfect. I mean, the weather was perfect. You were incredibly healthy. You had the Eagles team falling apart. I don't care about your problems. Give me solutions. I mean, today, all you Philly fans kept saying, this is the biggest game for Carson Wentz ever. No, it wasn't. He was an MVP and got your home field advantage the year you won the Super Bowl. but I'll tell you what, I didn't buy into it, but since you said it was, it is, and start building a statue right next to Nick Foles. Get it done in the next year or two.

Just build it right next to it, because they're not building one for Foles in Jacksonville, I can tell you that. And you've been lecturing me for two years that Foles is the future. And I laughed at you, and I mocked you. And finally, in the biggest crisis with the least help, Carson Wentz did exactly what Howie Roseman, the GM knew he would do, that we can lean on him. if things go poorly. And for Philadelphia, they mostly won't because they have a good owner and a great coach and a great GM.

They mostly will never have to ask Carson Wentz to do this again. But it's nice to know that if they do, he can take the stage coach and put it through the desert on his back and carry him. I mean, complaining that Dak didn't have Amari Cooper is like complaining your private jet showed up nine minutes late. Okay, Carson Wentz didn't have a private jet.

He flew coach back of the plane, and at 33,000 feet, the emergency door opened up. He had to hold it closed, serve drinks, and land the plane. And he did. And Philadelphia is not going to win the Super Bowl? They can't. They can't. But he got him across the desert. He got him across the regular season finish line with one more Sunday went over the Giants.

They win the division. And they're not a great team. They're just physically not. Teams like this don't win the Super Bowl. Teams like Baltimore win it, San Francisco, Kansas City. Those are the kind of team, the Saints that win it. A lot of dynamic players, most of them healthy. You can kind of sense it early November.

That looks like a Super Bowl team. Philadelphia, those kind of teams don't win the Super Bowl. But you've got to put it in perspective. The Super Bowl, though it's the goal, once you had major cluster injuries in hugely important positions, secondary, O-line, running back, receiver, cross off the Super Bowl. There are other wins in football. And the win is today, when you've got nothing to work with, Carson Wentz is worth every penny and can carry you.

And that's all you want from franchise quarterbacks. And it's amazing to me because we make excuses for everybody. Good God, Aaron Rogers and Cam Newton are 1 in 1A. We make excuses. Baker Mayfield falls into that until yesterday. But what Wentz did over the last month is remarkable. Nothing went right for this team. And he made it.

right for four straight weeks. Here's Carson Wentz. Carson, you said to me, yeah, biggest game of my career. Now tell me how it feels to win that game. That's a huge one for us. It's a huge one.

Yeah! Guys made plays. Resilient team. Resilient bunch. Guys just, hey, man down, next man up. And then we've had that mindset and guys just keep believing. Keep fighting. Keep believing. You've seen it the last couple weeks. You saw it today. Guys never looked down and just kept going.

It was fun out there tonight. Good for him. Let me shift gears to a guy I just mentioned Baker Mayfield. Isn't it funny sometimes how things can look so differently when they're mostly the same? So Baker Mayfield's record right now as a professional football quarterback is 12 and 16. And the knock on him, he throws too many picks. Sam Darnold's record is 10 and 15. The knock on him is he throws too many picks.

both today are six and nine. By the way, they both just got crushed by the Ravens in the last two weeks, and their numbers were nearly identical. Baker, when he got crushed, had an 84 quarterback rating, 61% completion, 192 yards. Sam Donald's quarterback rating was mid-80s, little over 200 yards, 56% completion. Both are dealing with coaching instability this year and dysfunctional franchises. So much is the same. Yet Sam Darnold is loved and cherished and thought of highly by the Jets faithful. And Baker Mayfield was booed yesterday and flipped off by fans.

Here's a listen. The Brown's in danger of giving the ball right back to the Ravens. Ball batted in the air and knocked down by Mayfield. Three incompletions and out. Fans were looking for a first down. Same basic records as starters, same basic flaw. We question both of their coaches. They're both dysfunctional organizations.

They both lost to the Ravens in the last couple of weeks, and their numbers were virtually identical. But when Donald lost to the Ravens, it was, you know, I saw things I liked, because he's easy to root for. Humble people are like that. And when Baker lost to the Ravens, he is flipped off by fans. and they boo him.

Cocky, snarky, too many commercials in love with himself. This is why I said from day one, I'm not handing my franchise valued probably over $5 billion to Baker Mayfield and that personality. And I would hand my franchise, though deeply flawed mechanically, to Sam Darnold as a franchise quarterback. Darnold doesn't have Mahomes or Wents his talent. He's not as athletically gifted.

that is Deshawn or Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson. But I said, I draft Donald because I think, A, he's more talented than Baker, and B, he's a lot more mature than Baker. They've had the same career, the same dysfunction, the same coaching issues, the same turmoil at coach, the same interceptions, the same record, losing to often the same teams. In fact, Baker's Browns are 2-0 against Darnold Jets. But who does the fan base respect? Who do they like?

Which quarterback do they find optimism and ugly losses to Baltimore? Which quarterback's not being flipped off? This is exactly why I said, Baker to me as a franchise quarterback is undraftable. his personality is not built to overcome the chaos Cleveland will force him to deal with. And Darnold's personality is the kind I would build around with a franchise similarly in cold weather that is due to give Darnold a lot of instability coaching chaos and dysfunction for 10 years. I know Colin Wright, Colin wrongs 50 minutes away, but yesterday was. a great example of why I called one guy undraftable and why I would have loved to have draft

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as part of my Cultura podcast network available on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The two times Dallas, let's be honest, Jerry Jones bought this organization in 1980. And there's two times with two legendary coaches, Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, when they took crap and made it work. Jimmy took over a horrible franchise. Landry's teams at the end weren't very good. Jimmy comes in and builds a dynasty. And then Barry Switzer, nothing against him but sort of gravy trained Jimmy Johnson's momentum.

And then it was Bill Parcells took over for a 511, 511, 511 Cowboy team. Parcells comes in and makes some very good loaded physical. physically, and then, you know, Wade Phillips sort of gravy trains. I don't like Wade, but he kind of gravy trained the momentum of Bill Parcells. So Jimmy and Bill also had something in common besides being great coaches. They both made Jerry Jones uncomfortable because they pushed back on Jerry and didn't let Jerry have the control he wanted and didn't let Jerry take all the credit he wanted. And Jerry doesn't like that.

Jerry wants to be comfortable. He wants to call the shots. He wants to have his kids around. He wants to have friends of the Cowboys. It's a small kind of family business, despite being the biggest brand in the NFL. But comfortable in the NFL, and you saw it yesterday, comfortable is soft. Yesterday, Philadelphia didn't just win. They punched Dallas in the neck organizationally.

Bill Belchick fights this constantly, even with Tom Brady, constantly making Brady uncomfortable. Remember he gave him the game ball and Tom was uncomfortable getting the game ball. Tom's uncomfortable getting praise for him. from Bill because he never gets it. It's a constant battle for alpha males making seven, eight figures a year to make them uncomfortable because football is uncomfortable and practice is hard and games are hard and it's intense and yesterday was a chance to be tough and hardened and Dallas isn't. They're mentally soft. They're physically soft. It's amazing. No team in the NFL is built to run the football more than Dallas. The best offensive line in the NFL easily and the best

running back. But good Lord, the second, they get a little pushback on the running game. Kellan Moore bails on it. Let's go back to being cute and clever. You look at that box score yesterday. It just has soft all over it. Lousy on third down. Only 16 first downs. Possession, 23 minutes. Three yards a rush. With the best offensive line, they don't want to be in the cage. You ever watch those UFC fights? And you can tell certain guys don't want to be in the and certain guys do. Like Nate Diaz will be in any cage, anytime, anywhere, any weight class. Loves to be in the cage.

A lot of guys that fight him don't. Dallas is a soft team. And yesterday needed a hardened football operation. And that's what Philadelphia is. Now, Dallas has a great stadium and a great art collection and the best facilities, and they're all sorts of pretty. Philadelphia is not, even when they won the Super Bowl. They're tough.

And they're hard. Yesterday, in the Northeast, in December next to Christmas, you were looking for hard. And Philadelphia was built for this. And Dallas isn't built for this. You can't blame the kids when the parents made them trust-fund babies. You can't just blame the kids. They're not built for this. Philadelphia is built for this.

Doug Peterson, the coach afterwards, nailed it. This team right here, I told you before the game when we stood in this locker room, you were built for this. Yes, sir. Okay? You're made for this right now. This time of the year, where we are as a team, okay? Nobody, and I don't really give a...

Nobody on the outside gives us a chance. But you guys in this room believe, you won this game during the week. Okay? During the week, that's what it takes, man. And we're figuring that out. Philadelphia under Peterson is built to be uncomfortable. Jerry has built the Cowboys to avoid. Discomfort.

You can blame the players. Seven drop passes. They're not built for this. They got a cool art collection. Best uniforms. Big ratings. They're not built for this. They're built to be comfortable.

And yesterday was all about uncomfortable. Go look around at the NFL right now. Look at the coaches that are at the top of the game. Is Kyle Shanahan ever smile? Sean McDermott and Bill O'Brien are the grumpy emoji. Belichick. I mean, it's just intent. John Harbaugh, and he's put his arms around Lamar Jackson, but Harbaugh, Zimmer, Belichick, Kyle Shanahan, McDermott, Bill O'Brien.

It's tough, hardened, putting pressure on their teams all year. And players, frankly, appreciate it. They like it. Players like to be pushed. But when you're not pushed, you know, you're not in other locker rooms. You don't know if everybody operates this way. and Dallas is young and comfortable and talented and finesse and has a cool art collection, but they just weren't built for yesterday.

I mean, you could tell five minutes in the game. Philadelphia's got backups that are backups to backups. It's like, all right, it's what we do. We practice outside sometimes. It's called it's Philadelphia. We don't get foie gras. We get cheese steaks. Loved every second of it.

By the way, the only nice guy left, like the classic nice guy is Andy Reed, and I love Andy. But the knock on Andy has been, his teams are better than in September than they are in the cold, although this one may be different. And Andy's nice and he's fun, but the knock has been, his teams kind of lack pound. They lack tough, they laugh rugged, they lack. I thought yesterday wasn't just about football teams. It was about football operations. One was built for it.

One wasn't. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. All right, it's Monday. If you've never watched the show, shame on you. But if you haven't, we do something called Colin right, calling wrong, where I have a lot of opinions. But we've got to hold me accountable because I make mistakes. And we've got some big kind of topics I've talked about this year. I whiffed on, some I haven't.

So here we go. Where Colin was right. We had a very good week, blazing five, four and one. We picked the dolphins, one of our favorite picks of the week. We took the Jets to not only cover, but upset the Steelers. We picked the Ravens to win big, and we picked the Chiefs. I don't want to talk about the cowboy game. I am 53% on the year.

Last year, this is about the time I got ridiculously hot. My goal is over to get 55 to 56%. We can still get there. I've already seen the morning lines. I like my pick, so we're at 53% after a nice 4-1 week. Where Colin was wrong. Set it 10 minutes ago, I'll say it again. I called the Kansas City Chiefs a windbreaker team not built for the postseason,

couldn't run the ball and couldn't stop it. Guess what? This defense is now a lot. officially good enough to win a Super Bowl. I don't think it's Baltimore's defense. I don't think it's New England's defense. I don't think it's Buffalo's defense. I don't think it's New Orleans defense.

But I think it's good enough to win a Super Bowl, and they've proven something to me. It's my only criticism of Andy Reid. Izzy built cultivate those ground games late in the year because he's smart and he's clever and he's fun and he's flashy. But I'm watching that defense, and they got it figured out. Honey Badger has helped. They've been very good situationally.

They're getting pressure on the quarterback. By the way, D. Ford comes... He's in San Francisco. They got healthier on the defensive line. They've got more sacks lately. I like what they've done. I was wrong. Where Colin was right?

Despite what Chris Collins were told you of NBC, Mitch Trubisky is not a franchise quarterback. And he's not remotely close to Patrick Mahomes. It's not just about inconsistency. He's got one of the weaker arms in the NFL. He's got excellent coaches. He's just not a great natural thrower of the football. I told you this when he came out.

How in God's name can you draft Mitch Ribiskey, a nice kid over to Sean Watson. They played in the same conference. They faced each other. What are people watching? I don't understand it. And I'll say this. He works hard.

I've got a source inside the building that says the players love him and he works hard. But they've got really clever offensive coaches and a nice old line, decent, nice skill people. They got the pieces here. I remember when I was on vacation in Hawaii and everybody said he's going to be a top five pick and I got off the boat into the room to watch a crappy bowl game. and I set on the air the next day. That is not a franchise quarterback. That's not a first round quarterback.

And last night, come on, Chicago, get over it. Move on. Quit being delusional. He would need everything to be perfect to win a division, which he got a couple of years ago, but you can't count on that. You can't win divisions year after year after year like that. Where Colin was raw.

No team I've whiffed on more than the Saints. I called it the fallback season. They'd lost too many brutal, emotional, organizational games. I just think they'd step back. Drew Breeze looked really tired at the end of last year, and this is the best Saints team I've ever seen. It's the best Saints roster I've ever seen, including the one that won the Super Bowl.

Speed, dynamic, pass rush, plus you get all the brain power. They don't turn it over. You can't get DeBreeze. They don't get penalized. Michael Thomas is easily the most dominant wide receiver in the NFL, and Mickey Loomis has drafted the hell out of this team. Four straight drafts, and all they've done is hit home runs.

deep down I actually think this morning I wake up and I guess kind of feels like a Saints Raven Super Bowl with Kansas City and San Francisco close but I just didn't think they could overcome all of these wildly emotional dramatic losses and here's the leadership of Peyton and Drew Breeze and once again they're loaded where Colin was right even when the dolphins were 0 and 7 I said they're a well-coached football team You can be 0 and 7 and poorly coached. You can be 0 and 7 and well coached. They said Brian Flores knows what he's doing.

They are 4 and 4 since then. They have very little defensive talent. Outside of the quarterback, they got to go figure out that defense. They can't stop. I'm not sure they could have stopped Joy Taylor's cousins this weekend. They can't stop anybody. Really. And Flores is a great defensive coach.

But they beat Philadelphia. They beat the Jets. They've beaten the Colts. teams with a lot more players. I love their future. They've got multiple draft picks. They've got to get some guys in the box defensively. They got to get a quarterback.

I don't even know. I mean, even if they didn't get a quarterback, I think if they short up the defense, they could be a 500 team next year. That's how highly a think of Brian Flores. Where Colin was wrong. I watched Daniel Jones a bunch in college, and then the Giants picked him six,

and I'm like, I don't know. That doesn't feel like. a franchise quarterback. I'm wrong. I don't think he has a good coach. He doesn't have a number one receiver. Yesterday, another big game. Five TDs, no picks. First rookie quarterback ever to have four plus TD passes in a game and no picks, and he's done it now three times. And again, you can talk about Dax coaching. I don't love the coaching here. I think they got the wrong coach. I think Pat Schumer's a coordinator. But he's just athletic enough. He's got very good feet. You know, I never thought he had a great arm in college.

I thought he had great coaching in college. But there's a Matt Ryan thing where he didn't play with a lot of NFL guys in college, and he's now getting NFL guys, and it feels like a gift. Like he's got a little juice and a little pop, because he's finally playing with elite guys at Duke, and Matt Ryan didn't play with a lot of elite guys

at Duke. And Matt Ryan didn't play with a lot of elite guys at Boston College. But I was wrong on Daniel Jones. They got their franchise quarterback. GM, coach, I got my questions, but I think they have their quarterback. Where Colin was right? I said firing Ron Rivera for Carolina. He's not the problem.

He's not the problem. They had lost. Of their seven losses this year, five had been one possession with Ron Rivera. Since he's left, they've been destroyed, and their defense has quit. They gave up 40 to Atlanta, 30 to Seattle, and 38 to Indianapolis and Jacoby Brissette. The Carolina Panthers owner is going to make changes, and I get it. this is not the change to make. Now, he does need a good offensive coordinator.

He's an alpha. He knows personnel. He's a tremendous defensive coach. He's not an offensive guy. That's okay. Belichick isn't either and gives Josh McDaniel the tarmac to land his plane on. But I think they fired the wrong guy. Special teams, for the record, have also gone into the tank since he was fired.

They've gone into the tank. Where Colin was wrong. These words I never thought I'd hear. Ed Orgeron, coach of the year. You know what, man, the dude evolved. And Ed Orgeron, I remember years ago, the administrators at USC asked me, what do you think of Orgeron as a head coach? And I said, he feels like the world's best defensive coordinator.

I just, is he a head coach? I was wrong. A, he's evolved. B, he's learned from his mistakes at Ole Miss. And three, here's what Ed has. And it's a big deal. He's got a presence. USC's current coach is a good guy.

He didn't have a presence. If you look at the great coaches in college football, they walk into a room and you can sense him and you can feel them. And, you know, sometimes, Ed, you know, you have to listen twice to his press conference to get exactly what he said because he's got so much emotion. But he has done an amazing job. He went and found an NFL guy to help him with the offense.

He's grown and he is the American football story. overcome, overlooked, fired, evolved, and made himself into a powerhouse. Good for him, I was totally wrong. Where Colin was right? I said when they hired Freddie Kitchens, I said, if this is going to work, you've got to make this a young locker room he can build. Be careful about OBJ. OBJ is the kind of guy that would be good with a Pete Carroll, a Mike Tomlin, a Bill Belichick.

Freddie Kitchens is a pup, and you're giving OBJ, to Freddie Kitchens. Now OBJ yesterday melted down. Jarvis Landry's melted down. The longer Freddie Kitchens has this big personality team, the more restless, the more unraveled, the uglier it gets. I didn't, and I said this with Freddie Kitchens. John Dorsey hired a coach he could control. That's not the kind of coach. You got to give a coach full power if you're going to give him OBJ and Jarvis Landry. The coach has got to own the room. Players can sense weakness, and the minute they can sense Freddie Kitchis is in trouble, the stars are all over him on the sidelines. Where Colin was right? When Tua got hurt for Bama, all I heard, Joy and I

heard is, oh my God, he could fall out of the first round. We're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's going to be a bidding war on Tua. Well, this weekend, the Colts owner acknowledged, we may have to draft a quarterback. So let's count now. Teams that, in the the top 10. Cincinnati drafts one. They want a quarterback. Detroit drafts three could draft one. Dolphins draft five will want one. Jacksonville six may draft one. Charger seven are absolutely drafting one. Carolina drafting eight, absolutely drafting one. Folks, you're going to have multiple teams. Word is the Raiders may want a new quarterback. I don't agree with that, but they may want it. The idea this kid, who is the most talented kid in this draft, injuries aside, he's the now.

He's the gifted. He's the Russell Wilson. The idea that he was going to drop out of the first round. Go look at the last two NFL first round drafts with quarterbacks. People are moving up to get kids that are far less talented than Tua. He's going nowhere but into a bidding war as long as the medical stuff clears, which I hope, and I think we all hope it does. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app.

Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. All right, let's go to a guy who is always got great perspective. You know, it's funny, I was reading some stuff last night in the internet, and people are like, hey, the Cowboys may have saved money on DAC. Maybe this wasn't the worst loss of all time. So let's go to Matt Mosley, our friend in Dallas via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Co-host the Doom Day podcast, a great one with Edward. Okay, so let's start with this.

We can do the blame game. But Jason Garrett, I said this last week. He does feel a little like dead coach walking, right, this morning in Dallas? It's over. Today, and there is some celebration, there's not as much pain and angst as usual after a Cowboys lost today. And I think Jason sealed his fate. So this was the end, barring some kind of crazy Super Bowl run, which I don't see, although I would not rule them out of the playoffs.

But this was it for Jason Garrett. And you know when Jerry, I've been around him a long time after games. When he only speaks for two minutes, that's a sign. He's done. And he's very sad about this because, as you said recently, this is a family member. This is family he's having to say goodbye to. And pretty much everybody on this staff is gone.

And last night, silled what we kind of knew was coming. All right. So let's talk about the next call. there's a lot of speculation. I've never bought into the Urban Meyer stuff because I've known Urban for about 15 years, and he's never really expressed to me. He's a college coach.

He doesn't watch or love the NFL. No, he's certainly a learned, smart guy and can figure it out. Am I wrong on that? Is it a college coach? Well, there's some excitement. Jerry does like Lincoln Riley. He likes my alma mater's coach Matt Rule. He's at least getting familiar with those people,

but I don't see it happening. And I would way more likely see a Ron Rivera, Riverboat Ron with Norv Turner, because let's remember the heyday, the glory days of the Cowboys were with Norv Turner. And he almost hired him when he hired Wade Phillips. Yeah. He went with a defensive head coach because they'd put a ton of money on that side of the ball. He's always at least floored the idea. And when people, Jerry always, this plays into your family narrative.

though. He sort of loves to keep things in family and nor of his family. I'll say this, though, if Aitman became a GM today, the first guy he would try to go higher is Norv Turner. And so I would not be shocked if you saw some sort of Rivera Norv Turner combination. Let's talk about Dak. The franchise tag was built for teams that have to be careful with their money. They like a quarterback, but don't know if they love him. Dak, after yesterday, feels a lot like that. Juxtapose next to Carson Went. He's not as big.

He doesn't have the arm. He's not quite as athletic. Did yesterday ensure a franchise tag for Dak instead of a four-year deal? No, I don't think so. I don't think Jerry can stand to do that to him. I think they get the deal done. If anything, it brought Dak's value down from when he was in the MVP race. Maybe we were getting up there to 38 or 40.

Maybe this thing now gets done. 34, 35. So, no, I don't think you go and have him play. He was fine having Garrett coached you to the final year of his contract. He will not be fine with Dak underneath the head coach playing on the final year of his contract. They get a deal done. And I know right now after that performance last night, that has Cowboys fans a little concerned, but Dak is going to get the huge money.

But your guy, Wentz, my goodness, I was watching you tweeting. guy got the best of them. I mean, you talk about drinking the Kool-Aid. Boy, you should be in the Wins family. Yes, I love him. I do. Listen, I buy into guy. I bought into Andrew Luck early, Russell Wilson, early Wence. I go nuts.

Sometimes I lack emotional discipline, but I do love Wence. I think Philadelphia is a very limited team this year. Like, I think Dallas, if they would have won, is a limited team this year. Let's go to specifically this game. Because I want to make a point. I have said most of the year, Matt, that I think Kellyn Moore is a big problem. Every time they faced a veteran defensive coordinator, except Wade Phillips, it is a Kellan has gotten too cute.

They got him out of the running game. I think this is a Kellynne Moore defensive coordinator issue at its core. I did not think. Let me defend him, though. Matt, there were 10 times receivers were schemed open in that game. I couldn't crush Kellan Moore for this. Could I? No, but some of it you can.

I mean, when you're third and won and you have Zeke Elliott, you spend all this money and you're making decisions like that, Tony Pollard came in the game, Zeeke took himself out. There was a pitch that they did where he fumbled on, but this guy gets caught in the moment, and he's overthinking things. Now, you can't blame him for Dak missing Tavon Austin.

Y'all just showed it. You can't blame him for Gallup dropping that ball. I mean, he scheme those guys open, but Colin, you and I could scheme people open against this Eagle secondary. What an embarrassment to go in there and get three field goals. I will say this, though, if Kai Forbath had been here the whole season, the Cowboys would have been 10 and 6. None of this would have been necessary.

The great Kai Forbath, he will be. He will be a first ballot guy. All right. And finally, Matt Mosley co-host a Doom Day podcast with Edwarder. I have said that, and I've said this earlier, that, The Cowboys are a great brand, but there are so many former Cowboys on the coaching staff. I love Charlotte. Stephen, I think they're brilliant.

But Jerry's been at his best when he's least comfortable. Bill made him uncomfortable, and Jimmy made him uncomfortable. Does he at least sense that? Do you have a sense that Jerry knows he may have to relinquish a little something? No, I think he knows he needs to do something for his fans and make a change. but Jerry will always make himself comfortable above all. And yes, he does care about winning, but not enough to bring in a power-hungry head coach.

Urban would want to do everything. He would want to be in control. Hey, even Matt Ruhl. You say, Matt Ruhl's young. Matt Ruhl came out and said it would have to be the perfect situation of the NFL, and he'd have to put his entire program in top to bottom. Jerry's not going to let somebody do something like this, which is why this is a situation.

for a former head coach. It's a guy who leave New England. I mean, McDaniels, I know some people like him, but I mean, that's a guy who loves it there and thinks maybe he could be the next head coach there in New England something. So that doesn't even feel like a fit to me. Jerry doesn't really know him.

Jerry just has a couple of people that he feels comfortable with. North Turner, Rivera. Ooh, I don't want to say the next one. People will get mad. Jeff Fisher. No, but I'm just saying, Those are the people he feels comfortable with. McCarthy.

Yeah, well, Mike McCarthy, that's another one. Again, he could have some control and say, Matt Mosley, Doomsday Podcast, have a great, great holiday for you and your family. We love your work. Thank you so much and say hi to Ed. I appreciate it. Siccum Bears.

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They got the running game back. because Buffalo is a real defense, and they averaged over four yards of rush, 23 first downs, 38 minutes time of possession, no penalties, pass the ball, 400 yards, 50% on third down. I'm watching that game, and I'm thinking, I still think there's one box they haven't checked. I think Kansas City, Baltimore, San Francisco, Minnesota, New Orleans have the ability, to get the occasional, maybe once a game, easy touchdown, freebie touchdown. Now, the Patriots, to their credit, have been using more trick plays this year because they don't have the burner over the top, so they'll create deception.

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