The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Apr 01, 2019

Episode Date: April 1, 2019

Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin and talks about one and done players not winning titles in college basketball.  He compares the Lakers season to 'Batman and Robin'.  Plus, NBA Champion Stephen Jackson talks about how Zion Williamson will be asked to play in the NBA and how good he'll be.  Presented by Perky Jerky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in, wherever you may be and however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is The Herd, whether you're watching on Fox Sports One, listening on Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app or the over, are we at 10 million, 10 million subscribers to the herd podcast?

Sure, we'll just throw out of the number. Nobody's checking those numbers, are they? somebody is somewhere. Good morning. Do you, Joy, Taylor. How are you? I'm great. Good morning.

Heard about a big interview over the weekend. Don't want to give it away. But if you read the Twitter sphere, you know college basketball, somebody very, very, very, very close to Joy at a very, very, very big interview, which apparently went very, very well.

It's a beautiful morning in Los Angeles. The sun is shining. Welcome, Doug. Good morning, dear joy. So, look, college basketball has something special that everybody else sort of wants, right? Like, look, there's other things that college basketball has that people don't want, but college basketball is a couple things that you want.

I heard this from a buddy of mine. I'll give him credit. His name's Srin Petro. He's a very talented radio host in Kansas City. And he said, and this is a great, if the bowl system was such a good idea, how come no one's ever copied it? Right?

It's a great point. Whereas in college basketball, like, what do we have? In the regular season, you have these incredible student sections. And if you look around the country, whether it's college football, they've kind of stolen that from, tried to steal that from college basketball. You get that when you watch foreign teams play. You get that in high school sports now. Teams have their own student section with their own nickname. That all started because of college basketball.

But then the biggest thing that everybody wants in college basketball is we call it March Madness. We can say it's the bracket. We can call it the NCAA tournament, which is the technical definition of it is the 2019 NCAA. National Championship Tournament, which will be decided in Minnesota, Minneapolis, a week from tonight. And the bracket is what everybody wants, right? The brackets, and people today are bragging like, my son, who's 10 years old, has Michigan State winning a national championship in this bracket. We'll get the bracket guy upcoming in the show. But we have this, hey, look, man, it's 40 minutes.

It's one game. And we do make definitive statements. and I've hated the idea of a definitive statement in a single elimination tournament. Like your team loses a game and all of a sudden your conference as a whole stinks? I don't understand that. Or John Calipari's Kentucky Wildcats lose to Auburn, who was ranked in the top 15 to start the season, won the SEC tournament,

and they played Kentucky twice, blown out once, played them close at home, played them twice. Hardest thing to do in basketball is beat a team three times, especially in college basketball. It'll start to do it three consecutive times in the NBA. So you lose in overtime to a conference foe, and what's the immediate reaction? John Caliperi can't coach. Mike Shoshchewski, these won and duns, they just, you can't win with the one and duns. There are our first world problems with the one and duns.

And a lot of times it's not just those players. It's all of the other guys that you recruit that think they're at the same level. I mean, Duke has had this problem for the last 10 years or so. I mean, cry me a river. But if you're not one of the top two or three, if you're not one of the starters for Duke and you see yourself as part of that recruiting class, then you're going to leave. You're going to transfer because you don't want to come out the bench because they're just going to recruit more guys over you the next year, which is what happens in Kentucky.

They also run the risk of if they actually play too well and win a national championship like they did with going back with Justice Winslow. Whether it was Justice Winslow or Tias Jones. Had Tias Jones stayed at Duke for two years,

three years, or all four years, he could have won multiple national titles. If you have an elite level point guard, it raised the level of everybody else. Don't believe me. I give you Michigan's State and Cassius Winston. Or I give you Texas Tech and Matt Mooney. It's a two-time transfer.

Older kids, veteran kids, you're good at that spot. You're good. But today, the one and done is in the crosshairs of everybody in the media. And it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition, right? Like if you don't win a recruiting, if you don't win recruiting wars over the top prospects, let's not champion yourself. let's not act like Roy Williams didn't want Zion Williamson.

He wanted him and I don't know how much he would have played or if he would have started because he had two veterans in his front court. Roy Williams has an all-solar system, All-American, who's a freshman, who didn't start. And he may lose him as well. Look, the issue is not just emotional, but emotional attachment, emotional connection is a big part of what allows teams to compete and to win.

You want to call it chemistry fine. In basketball, we call being connected. I connected to one another, looking at each other and just knowing where the other person is going to be. But also just the idea of an emotional investment in a place. I want you to think about this for a second. Here's the difference between the Duke players and the Michigan State. state players or maybe the Kentucky players and the Auburn players. I was ass driving and I was on Dan Patrick's show and he said, what do you think Zion

Williamson's doing today? I said, well, I hope he's going back, he's going to class, you know, maybe going to get some shots up, enjoying a day off. He had himself a great weekend. They just came up a bucket short. One bucket short. That's it. One bucket from playing for a national championship in front of 70,000 people at U.S. Bank

Stadium. but the thought is that he should be packing up his stuff, going to train for the NBA, removing himself from college. So if you think to yourself, what's the biggest difference? Well, the biggest difference is as Kenny Goins hits the shot of the year for Michigan State,

Goins is a former walk-on. It would have played at a mid-major level as a starter. Instead, bet on himself, and his dad picked up the tab and said, don't worry about it. Now he's on scholarship. But Kenny Goins, a former walk-on, hits the shot of the tournament over Zion Williamson,

who's the player of the tournament and going to be the number one pick in the upcoming NBA draft. So what happens? One, Kenny Goins had he lost last night, would have gotten home and felt terrible, as Zion Williamson feels terrible, would have gone to class and would have been a hero, would have been a champion,

and the question wouldn't have been, what are you going to do today? It's when are you going to get back in the gym? Because the emotional investment of all those guys is, I'm here. I've unpacked mentally, emotionally, and of course physically, I've never thought about packing up. Whereas the issue with the one and done is we're teaching players

to not fully invest, not dig roots, just be a renter. Just come and stay and see what it's like, and the second you can get out, you get out. And look, I could go into the look at the NBA, when the NBA teams want to lose, what do they do? They just play younger players because they're not that well developed. They don't shoot the basketball as well. Don't believe me that shooting is a major factor.

Look at Kentucky's inability to make three-pointers yesterday with their freshman. Same thing happened when, you know, you go back to when Boogie Cousins wins in college and they had Bledsoe and John Wall and they played a West Virginia team that had one borderline NBA player. They finished four for 32 from three-point range. you improve incrementally as a shooter your fundamentals improve college basketball basketball and generally helps you improve your shooting over time just volume of coaching volume of attempts you also become a better teammate a better team player you understand rotations you understand scatter reports and all of that but to me the biggest part outside of the physical strength

of older players because physical strength did not keep Zion Williamson or all RJ Barrett from playing for a national championship. Those guys' bodies are ready for whatever level of basketball. It's in the emotional investment. Little things matter more to them because this is as good as it's going to get for Xavier Tillman and Kenny Goins. And heck, maybe for Cassius Winston. He doesn't look like an NBA point card.

He may play in the NBA, but is he really a long-time NBA player? Probably not. And so while Michigan State lost a one and done, Jaron Jackson, last year, and lost a two and done. When you got people that are completely invested in the project, the project's usually better. You ever done a school project? Right?

You ever do a school project? There's always one person that might be super talented that sometimes misses a meeting. Don't worry, I'll get it done. I'll get it done. Tell me what you need to do. I'll get it done. But they're not fully invested. Which project is better?

The slightly lesser talented group that always meets every Tuesday at 7 o'clock. at the coffee shop to plan out for the two months leading up to the presentation, or the more talented group that's got a bunch of things working and is worried about, you know, job applications and it's their senior year and they're, but they only have time for me. I can only meet once a month, and I can't be there from 7 to 8. I can get you at 7.30. I got a bunch of other things going.

Which project's better? And all we have is the data to tell us that, yes, it's a single elimination tournament. Sure, Kentucky lost an overtime, had a chance to win regulation in an overtime. And yes, Duke is a made free throw away from playing in overtime and maybe playing for a national championship. But Kentucky lost to an Auburn team that lost arguably its most talented player. Duke should have lost to Central Florida, could have lost Virginia Tech, and then did lose to Michigan State, who is without their second most talented player for the entire season for most of the season. Like, it's not like you're lining up and losing to the Milwaukee Bucks or to a star-studded roster.

You're losing to what anybody would consider inferior competition in terms of their overall talent. Is it coaching? Sure. Give it a part. Is it shooting? Absolutely. You become a better shooter over time. College basketball actually, wait for it, helps you become a better basketball player.

But it is it in the connection, cohesion. overall investment in the long-term and short-term success of everybody around you? I think the answer is yes. I don't think. I know the answer is yes. Those are teams that are advancing to the Final Four. Whereas great players, it doesn't mean they're terrible teammates. I mean this is not a bad teammate.

RJ Barrett's a little bit selfish, but he's not a bad teammate or a bad guy. Tyos Jones is a good teammate. But the connection in, hey, this is the best, this is the most important thing I'm going to accomplish in my basketball career. And whatever else happens, as opposed to whether it's Duke or Kentucky or the Arizona team of last year, if this is just a stop on the way to start them, what would your level of investment be? How connected would you be with those around you? And that in and of itself is why the one and done hasn't traditionally worked. you got 15 years of data, you got two national championships

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in a Lakers uniform the rest of the year. I'm sure people are just pleased as punch if they loaded up and said, hey, April game between the Warriors and Lakers kind of a rev up for the playoffs. Think about back in January or even back in November. Man, how hot a ticket was that? Yeah, LeBron's not going to play in that.

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If I can think of a parallel in Hollywood, the only one I could come up with is Batman and Robin. Do you remember Batman and Robin? I'm not sure if you're big on the Batman series, but Batman and Robin had George Clooney, had Arnold Schwarzenegger, right? Alicia Silverstone, Alicia Silverstone was

she was on fire at that point in her career, right? And Uma Thurman and Chris O'Donnell. So you pick who's who in this cast. But the fact is that Batman franchise was like the Laker

franchise. He puts Batman on it and it wins. With the exception of that movie, which was a complete and total stinker. I mean, the cheesy Arnold lines were awful. Awful. awful. And the stench was so bad, I don't think Alicia Silverstone has ever really recovered.

It took Chris O'Donnell like seven years before he was on a TV show that finally hit, and he was on NCIS, right? Arnold Schwarzenger was, his performance was so bad, he went into politics where there's plenty of really bad actors. And it took the Batman series like a decade before Christopher Dolan revamped it and made it into an incredible new trilogy. But if you want to put the blame at two places, I think you actually have to start with magic.

Because he is Magic Johnson, right? Like his name evokes, if you even see him cheering for Michigan State, and you're like, wow, magic, everything he touches. It works. When he's with the Lakers, it just works. Well, there was the coaching thing, that didn't work. There was the late night talk show that didn't work.

but when he got involved with the Dodgers, two World Series appearances in a row. And whether or not you want to say the Dodgers didn't win those World Series, like let's just be honest. Getting to a World Series and two years ago getting to a game seven, I mean, they have been revitalized and revamped, but let's not give magic all sorts of credit because it's not like he's down in AAA trying to figure out who's who and what's what and how to make the right decisions as to whether or not you put a platoon guy in there

or signed Bryce Harper this past off season. But Magic Johnson came back to the Lakers and said, give me a couple years and I will fix it. And this was his plan. And I'm big on the butterfly effect. He has another butterfly effect. Like if this doesn't happen, a bunch of other things don't happen.

Just think about the meeting that he had with the Braun on July 1st of last year. In addition to the fact that whatever his plans were and however they were agreed to by by lebron james he never brought his head coach like who does that who thinks that's a good plan who thinks that's a good idea you sit outside and by his own account he got there an hour early in that hour leading up to you didn't think hey maybe i should text luke and see if he can get in a car and drive up from Manhattan beach and pop in on this meeting with us just to say hi because he's our coach so you immediately tell lebron james who's a very smart

right when you walk in to make a pitch and you don't have the head coach what do you think LeBron James thinks well he's not your coach so he must not be mine immediately magic Johnson is is to blame for the litany of errors that the Lakers have made and then in terms of personnel sure I will give Rob Polinka some of the blame absolutely he's the first time GM but magic is supposed to have the basketball knowledge. Magic's supposed to have the basketball IQ. He was the one who had Summer League said this was their plan to get these junkyard dogs, these veterans who guard. He watched all the playoff games and he made an assessment. And shame on us for listening to Magic. Because as great a player, Magic Johnson was.

And by my estimation, and I grew up in Southern California, I watched all his games. I can tell you, Madge Johnson is the greatest Laker ever. Like we can say Kobe Bryant now, but that's because many of us have forgotten. how incredible magic was. It wasn't just that he was great. He was great. He had competitive greatness. He was great when greatness was called upon.

In Boston Garden, you know, in Philadelphia, in Houston, in wherever it was. I was there when Magic came back off of hiatus from HIV, when the preseason with the Lakers, and he took over the entire forum. He's the greatest Laker ever. But he's been a commentator on the NBA finals for both NBC. and ESPN. And both times, he was awful. Do you know why? Because he's just, he's great at playing basketball, not at the other parts of basketball. So I put a bunch of blame there. On the other hand, I read this article that Dave McMendman has out there, and I put plenty of blame on LeBron James,

because this is kind of the classic LeBron thing, where when things go right, LeBron gets the credit because, well, it's LeBron and eight straight finals. And, yeah, LeBron's the GM. And LeBron's got his, you know, Rich Paul as his agent and they get their kind of guys and they put together the team. What about when the roster goes wrong? He can say, hey, I was there for the three-hour meeting then I got on a plane and I flew to parts unknown,

but shame on you. If it really mattered to you, you would have stayed there and I'm going to stay in town. I'm going to do a press conference. I'm going to recruit players. I'm going to get the right guys to fit with me. Otherwise, you essentially signed off on whatever Magic wanted to do.

And if what he proposed, you didn't think it would work. You should have spoke up then or forever held your peace, but he didn't. We can blame Luke Walton. We can bring the unluckiness of injury. We can say that if Adlaunzo stayed healthy, they would have been better. And I agree with a lot of that.

I agree with a lot of should some of their younger players not be in their feeling so much? Of course. Of course. They were unlucky because they were unhealthy. And then they let all the pressure get to them. And they didn't truly know how to play with LeBron. Then they had to learn to play without LeBron. Then LeBron being back.

And some of that is just happenstance when you have injuries. But dude, this started when Magic Johnson showed up at his doorstep without his head coach. And didn't have a great plan. And then continued on when LeBron said, hey, you know, I don't love that plan. I've always had this plan. This is the plan that works for me. And if you want me, this is how we got to do it. And even though we won't put blame on him for the players that were acquired,

We put blame on him for the players that are required because if he didn't like it, at any time LeBron James could have picked up the bat phone and fixed things. Or at least tried to alter history. Look, like Batman and Robin, there will be another Batman. There will be another, they're going to try and revamp this franchise

and do it very, very soon. But oftentimes, like the butterfly effect, it starts with the first thing, with the first meeting, and the plan, and everything else goes from there. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. I actually find April Fool's Day to be quite annoying. I do. I don't. I don't. I like Halloween, but I like funny costumes on Halloween. I'm not one of these guys that's like, oh, scare the pee out of me on Halloween.

I just not. Like, I understand there's lots of emotions in life and you have to feel them. Fear is one that naturally you will develop and have to overcome. I don't need additional fear. So the people who pull the, like the funny, I don't know if you guys saw the Cam Newton. April Fool's prank where he offered up that he wanted his entire team to remain celibate so they could focus on the season and then said it was April Fool's like, that's funny.

That's nothing I'm scared of. But finding somebody's inner either insecurities or deepest fears in exploiting them just to go like, gotcha, April Fool's doesn't seem like a cool deal to me. I don't know. I don't know. Are you a big April Fool's person?

I used to be when I was younger but now it's like they could go either way not everyone appreciates a practical joke Yeah there's You know look there's there's a line there's things that are funny And there's things like oh And usually to get to really do a good April Fool's joke

You kind of got to do that line Yeah it's just it's not worth it And I don't really like I don't really like practical jokes being played on me So I like to be fair Do you know anyone who does? I really like to be made to look like an ass No, but like some people like a joke and they're like, oh, you got me.

Like, I'm going to get you back worse. Yeah, I like these people that are like, well, I, I, I, I, I, fake woe's tweet on April Fool's Day, like, all the dudes doing is grinding, trying to find stories. Literally all he does. And then you throw a fake Adam Schaefter out there and you're like, I'm sorry. Fake Grotes tweet isn't actually a bad one. Yeah, well, about fake Schaefter, fake stuff. But then, you know, you can't get mad and people don't take you serious anymore after that.

That's, that's, that's very, very true. She's Joy Taylor. I'm Doug Gottley. I found this when I was driving into work today. Colin Set is on the Fox lot. Is it still called the Fox Lot? I think it's still called the Fox Lot. And it's in the heart of the west side of Los Angeles.

And yes, this weekend was just perfect. Like, I hate to brag, but I'm going to for a second. It was amazing. It was amazing. Like 75 to 85, depending on where you were in Southern California. Whispy clouds, light breeze. like you couldn't and we complain about all the rain we've had in southern California it's not the snow and the cold whatever I was watching sunday night baseball last night in Philadelphia I don't know if

anybody watched that that looked cold that look miserable you know one of the players for the Phillies actually had a full face mask on you got to hit he had a full fake like robber face mask on like that does not that's not the experience that I had this weekend it's a different world but because of traffic like there's always traffic like man how much better would Southern California be if there was just a couple less 100,000 people? I've thought this in New York. If you're in New York and after a snowstorm, people stay inside, it's quiet. And you realize like, wow, the buildings are cool, the streets, some of them cobblestone.

Really a unique city with the architecture, the new, the old. How much better would New York be? Look, I don't want, I don't want anybody to, I just want to spread us out a little bit more so that we can enjoy some of these places that we live a little bit better. But there are people I'd like to not die, but go away. Go away in sports. And by go away, I mean like, look, there are just certain people. And this is a day, not just April Fool's Day,

this is a day which, to me, the number one guy or girl or person needs to go away. All right, let's start with other people. There's the we sports fan, for example. and this especially in professional sports. College sports, I'll give you a little bit of a pass because you might have grown up in a college town. You might have gone to that school. I still don't love it.

But the we sports fan. We got a bunch of cap space. We are going to draft Kyler Murray. We got a tank so we can get Zion Williamson. Man, we got to trade some guys so we can get Anthony Davis. We? Who is a we? Are you practicing every day?

Are you breaking? down tape. You are paying money to see somebody else perform and paying money to wear their jersey. We guy is usually a jersey guy and we're kind of done with you. Like you're a guy who everyone else, no one will say it when you're in the room.

But when you walk out of the room, you're like, did he really just say we need to resign Dak Prescott? We? All right, here's a guy. Golf round guy. You're familiar at golf round guy. Well, you know, I played TPC sawgrass at one time of my buddies and we're on the golf tour. And you know the 17th the island.

Green. You know, I was thinking seven iron, but I decided the wind was at my back. I would hit an eight iron. And you know how that thing lies. And I just like, I don't care. I don't, golf is something that I like to experience on my own. I definitely can't experience it through your eyes. I play golf, but not a golfer. And you know what I really don't want to hear about? I don't really want to hear about your trip to Ireland in which you played in the muck and the rain and then went and drank a bunch of pints. Doesn't sound like an enjoyable trip, but because I wasn't there, I can't get it. Golf round guy.

Man, I shot a 79 really today really, really had the driver going. You can go away. Little League Dad. Now, I'll admit it. I can be this guy occasionally, right? You don't know love until you

got your own kid and you don't know joy in sports until you see your own kid perform on a sports field. That said, Keep it to yourself, right? Here's my videos of Slugger getting a single. Here's my videos of my boy pitching. Look, he's the next Clayton Kershaw.

Dude, he lobbed that thing up. The other kids swung and then ran to third base instead of first base. I get it. You love your child. We all love our kids. I get it. He's playing sports and he doesn't have, you didn't take a video of him playing Fortnite.

Congratulations on winning the Fortnite battle for one day. but Little League dad, we don't care. Go away. Fantasy football guy. I play a little fantasy football, but I will tell you that every season runs into the next, whether you do a keeper league or you have, I don't even know when you redraft every year, whatever league you do, you get multiple leagues. And if you happen to be lucky enough to have a backup running back who happens to get the ball around the goal line twice in a game because of some odd circumstances,

it doesn't make you some sports savant above everybody else. Congratulations. You paid attention on Thursday to the waiver wire, so you knew who was available, and you watched all the different TV shows, and you happen to pick the right guy who happened to catch the touchdown pass. That was really meaningless because your team was down four touchdowns, and all of us turned the game off,

only you kept the game on because you like fantasy sports. Fantasy sports, vacations, Those are, you can tell us about it, but we don't care about it. But the number one guy or girl or grandma or grandpa or even kid that, frankly, in sports, you need to give it a rest. You're not smarter than the rest of us. Is multiple bracket guy. There's nothing worse than multiple bracket guy. I filled out 15 brackets and bracket 2B has Michigan State and Texas Tech and Auburn and

Virginia. And so I'm in the money. I'm the smart one. Volume brackets doesn't make you smarter. Heck, look, I play college basketball for four years. I cover college basketball for 16 years. I grew up going to Final Fours. My dad's a former coach, my brother's an assistant coach in college. I can quote you more chapter and verse on teams and styles. And you know what? I got one Final four team. So, look, luck does play a factor. And maybe you nailed it. Maybe you paid attention to matchups and you had some algorithm and you finally figured out. But multiple bracket guide does not own a piece of that argument. Right? Like this is, this is not the SAT that you get to take as many times you can so your score can slowly improve and you can take test prep.

This is you get a piece of paper, you fill out a bunch of names and maybe you're so like, like somehow you're a genius now because one of your 15 brackets, Virginia happened to come from three points down with five and a half seconds to go and send it to overtime like get over it congratulations if you won your pool congratulations if you picked one two three or all four final four teams but if you did it with multiple brackets we have no respect for you zero in fact that was my opinion is so strong my beliefs are so steadfast that i'm going to need to reconfigure it two three four five fifteen times over Life is not a choose your own adventure book.

Choose your own adventure book. Do you ever have those as a kid? You know, and people, choose your own adventure. You'd read a chapter at the end. You would make a decision as what you could do, and you'd turn to page 40, page 50 or page 60. You don't get to read page 40, 50, and 60 and then make a decision. No, no, no, no, no.

Choose your own adventure. If you believe Duke was going to win national title and they lost, they came up one bucket short, like, all right, doesn't make you the worst person on earth, but multiple bracket guy. Forget about Little League Dad and golf round guy We sports fan fantasy football guy. Oh, is there anything worse today than the guy doing the victory lap?

Kind of like the camel on that commercial. What day is it? What day is it? The hump day commercial, which I love. But there are men, mostly it's like mostly a guy thing. Women win it, but women don't gloat and rub your nose in it nearly as well. They have class about it. Guys do not.

Hey, however many brackets it takes. buddy survive in advance. Read them and weep. I don't think I've ever spoken to someone who's bragged about having multiple brackets. Greg Toey, would you like to hop in on this? Because we were in a meeting today and I saw Michigan State circled as a champion. And I said, whose bracket is that? And Greg Tooie, you said that's my bracket.

Doug, what is wrong with wanting to give yourself the best chance to win? Well, because that's nonsense. you fill out one bracket and those are the ones you predicted. You can't just continue to fill out brackets and one of them's right and then brag about it. It doesn't even make any sense. That defeats the purpose of filling out a bracket.

What if you have multiple friends that offer you to join their pool and you... So you put the table back and you don't do it. You put the same one. I mean, you can switch out the earlier rounds if you want to, you know, have some fun. But like your final four should be your final four. I don't think you can switch out. I think you go with the bracket. That goes to your bracket.

You know, if you want an alternate. ending, but you can't sit there and claim like some sort of bracket superiority when you got 15 picks. You just go, hey, I was lucky. Hey, I was super, super. I'm with you on this. I'm not with you on the we guy. I think that's a fan thing.

Like you can't. It's kind of obnoxious when media members do it, although I am guilty of that, so whatever, I'm obnoxious. But we guy doesn't bother me so much. Because you know, you got to have some loyalty if you're a fan. That's my guy. That's my team. But we, we, we, no. But nobody takes it literally. Like, they don't think they're there.

participating in the meetings and stuff. And fans do play a part in the environment and places. It's why home field or home court advantage matters. You with me on golf round guy? I don't play golf, so I'm sure. So if somebody comes up to you and says, yeah, I was out at Sherwood yesterday. And I was out of, immediately, you're like, I wish I had a hearing aids that I could turn off from me. Yeah, I mean, that does nothing for me.

Little League Dad. Little League Dad, you know, I don't know. I kind of understand it. I don't mind people who are proud of their kids playing sports. It's when they get too involved. They start screaming at the reps. They start screaming at the reps. start fighting with other parents in the stands.

That's obviously ridiculous. But, you know, being proud of your kid playing sports is fine. Fantasy guy. I'm fantasy guy. Do you brag about your fantasy team? Yeah, I'm fantasy guy. So you are, you're two of these. I'm obnoxious when I lose and I'm obnoxious when I win.

Fantasy guy. These are things that I've learned about. And I tell people all the time, like, feel free to talk to me about your fantasy team. We can discuss. Because that's the thing about playing fantasy sports, right? No one cares because nobody has your team. Right. Nobody cares.

It's like your vacation. It's like your kids. Like, you don't really... Yeah, you really shouldn't talk more about your vacation other than we had a good time. Is anything more than that? Or I got to, if you ever go, let me know, I got a great place for you to stay. I got a great place to be. Right.

Recommendations. Like, that's fine. Recommendations. I do not want to see a slideshow. And you're like, no, no, no, no, I just send you a couple photos. Like, do, no, no, no, don't care. It's going right to delete. Right to delete.

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even when it's hard. Listen to Hurtle with Emily Abadi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHart Women's Sports. Stephen Jackson, NBA champion. Of course, played 14 seasons in the NBA. Let me start with college basketball before we work our way back to LeBron, because we did just see Zion Williamson.

And you and I have discussed this. You've discussed it on air on how you would have gotten play at Arizona. and win a national championship. What's your takeaway from the Zion Williamson experience watching him play a Duke? Well, first, I want to send a shout-out to Nipsey Hustle family. We lost a pioneer in our culture yesterday, so I want to send love to him and his family. John Williams is special. He's very special.

Something we never seen before. I think to be 280, 40-plus-inch vertical, been able to dominate in college every game, even though they didn't win. He was dominant his whole time. I think this kid is special. So I think the sky is the limit for him. And he's going to take over the NBA similar to what LeBron did. What is he in the NBA? What is he?

Yeah. I think he's a power forward. And at three is sometimes he can play center in this league now too. Small ball five, right? Small ball five, definitely. But I think what he needs to add is a mid-range game. And one thing about when he gets to the NBA, everybody's athletic, everybody's tall.

Everybody can block his shot. Everybody can jump with you. He's going to have to get a mid-range game and add some more offensive moves to. his game. He can't just, we won't be able to overpower everybody like he did in college. Yeah, I believe the stat I saw was zero pull-up jump shots. Right. The entire season. Right. He was either catching, shooting, or he was going. Right. But he does have, I'll tell you what, he does have a good post game for a young guy. And, you know, one of the things that so many of the small

ball fives don't have is they become, you know, face-up shooters. They can guard post players, but he can actually score. If one-on-one in the post, he's really agile for a man of his strength. Just the athleticism. Yeah. And like I said, But it's not just vertical. Like he moves laterally really well. Yeah. And like you said, I think the move against UCF when he spunt and got the N1 on a seven-footed, you've seen how he was able to stop and go into a second move.

He has a lot of stuff that you can't teach. Why do you think the one and duns, you know, the two schools that have produced the most one-and-duns, Duke and Kentucky, have not had more success in the NCAA tournament? Good question. I think a lot of these kids are still young that first year. So, you know, the college is different to them. That's just like being in the NBA, your rookie is going to be different to you. But I love the fact when it was when kids were going to go out of high school.

I mean, you can get a job and work at McDonald's at 16, 17. Why you can't go play a game, you can go to war and kill yourself at 18, but you can't provide it and play basketball a game. So I think guys, they should kill that rule. I mean, if you were physically able to play the game of basketball at 18 and go to the NBA like LeBron did like Kobe did, I mean, like a lot of guys did, I think you should be able to. I don't think it should be forced to go to college.

Well, there's two different parts to that. First, I mean, actually could go out. You could go to the G League. You've always been able to go to the G League or go play overseas. And obviously, it's a collectively bargain upon rule. It's an NBA rule, as you know, not a college basketball rule. Just like working at McDonald's, though. Same paycheck.

I understand, but I'm saying people hold the NCAA accountable for something that the NBA and the NBA PA agreed upon. No question. Right. They're like, well, it's not. No, no, it's not actually an NBA rule. Actually, it's actually an NBA rule. And the problem is not the LeBrons and the Kobe's. The problem is all the other dudes that think they're LeBron's and Kobe's and are really not. Well, you can't say that because I was the second to the last pick.

I didn't go to college. Right. I was the second to the last pick and nobody expected me to make it 14 years. So you have some guys that people expect not to make it and make it. But at the same time, it has a lot to do with the people around them. you know, I was blessed. I came into the league with Stefan Marbury, Johnny Newman,

Sherman Douglas, my second year was Steve Kerr, Tim Duncan, Danny Ferry, Steve Smith. So I played with great coaches and around great guys. But when you have a lot of these guys, let's say a kid like Devin Booker. He's more mature. I'm just using as example.

If he came into the league as a young kid on a team like Phoenix that wasn't winning, it would be hard for him because he has no veteran on the team. They're not winning. So everything is being nitpicked. It's going to be harder for him to succeed. But when you put a kid like that in a good environment, on a good organization that's used to winning that knows how to mentor him, it's a different situation. Stephen Jackson joining us here in the herd. All right, let's get to some NBA stuff. The Lakers

have decided to shut LeBron down. First thing to me is that's a tough sale to your season ticket over. Not only you're not going to see LeBron the playoffs, but you're not going to see LeBron the rest of the way. a smart decision to shut him down. Yeah. I mean, why wouldn't you? Okay, so you let him play. Pulls the Achilles or anything the last four or five games. What are you going to tell your fans going to the next season? Your season is really shot.

You really don't have no hope. Rest him, start building for next year. It don't make no season, no reason for him to go out there and get hurt. You're not playing for anything. Who's to blame in the pecking order of who's most to blame for this, what can only be deemed as a disastrous season. Who do you put up top? Who do you put beneath them?

How does it go? Are they all in the same boat? You can't point the finger at Magic. You can't point the finger at LeBron. You can't point the finger at Luke. You know, everybody's a part of the blame. You know, the young guys didn't develop like they thought. LeBron, he walked into a rude awakening.

He didn't know the West Conference was this deep and this good. Luke Walton. I've been said it, but he's not the coach for these guys. So a lot of stuff, you can't just blame one person. A lot of stuff went wrong. And, you know, that's why the season ended up the way it did. See, I start with the premise of Magic screwed up at the initial meeting because he didn't bring Luke.

Like, look, if you're not going to bring Luke to the meeting, then you should have fired Luke then. Right? If you're not going to bring him to the meeting, he's not going to be part of the sale for your team. You've essentially told LeBron like, our coach, the coach doesn't matter. Right. And LeBron's a smart dude.

Like he senses like, wait, Luke's not here. He really doesn't matter. And anyone reads the situation. and then, you know, the personnel they picked. Right. Right? Like, I'm with Joy. Joy, Joy's right.

Injuries played a major factor. They were playing well. They were top seven in every defensive metric. They were a playoff team. And they were getting more and more cohesive learning to play with LeBron James. We can't undersell the injuries. But even with, without the injuries, like, look, they let Brooke Lopez go. And they thought, you know, Javelle McGee and Tyson Chandler, who's just washed.

Like, you know, then mid-season. even they trade away Zubach who was their best big guy, he's only 21 years old and rookie control contract. Like, the personnel has been a major, major fact.

Yeah, and this is the first year we've seen LeBron go 28 and 27. You know, his record, his record on the court. And, you know, like you said, injuries had a lot to do with it. You can't expect

that your season to go the way you want to when guy, you don't know what guy's going to be in the lineup. You know, and I think not having Lanzo ball had a lot to do with it, Sure.

You know, but like I said, people keep that same energy. It happens. People have been waiting all this time to bash LeBron to have something bad to sell about him. This man had been in the finals his whole career. But, you know, he just came into a rude awakening. The Western Conference is a different monster, LeBron. You got to know that.

Lost in all of this, because we're so focused on LeBron, there's a lot of talk of the MVP, is the thunder have gone from a team that, you know, I thought had a chance to maybe not beat the Warriors, but maybe the best chance to stretch out the Warriors. You got a superstar player in a Russell Westbrook. You got a superstar player in a Paul George who is playing at an MVP level.

You got a big physical team. They have a small ball lineup as well. And they got Dennis Schrooter, who was a starting point guard last year, kind of off the bench to come in and change what they look like in the fourth quarter. What's happened? To me, I was at their last game against Golden State.

At last home game. To me, first of all, they don't have. any shooters. The team is not that good to me. When they were rolling and winning those games, you got two players that was just dominant. Like you said, Paul's having an MVP year. During that time before All-Star Break and All-Strake, when they was winning all those games,

him and Russ were dominant. When those two guys aren't dominant, the rest of the guys, they have no shooting. They have a guard on their team that they're paying $80 million that gets hack-a-shacked. Are you kidding me? So we got shooting forwards getting hack-hacked in the NBA now?

This is what has come to. So they have no shooting. Ferguson can't really shoot. He's an athlete, but he can't really shoot. Their third best player is Stephen Adams. And he don't really want the ball. He want to do the dirty work. So the team is talented.

They have two talented players than Russ and Paul, but when they're not going, it's impossible. The team is not good. Stephen Jackson, NBA champion, 14 seasons in the NBA and always giving us that stage wisdom. Jack's great stuff. Thanks for having me, man. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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