The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Aug 28, 2020
Episode Date: August 28, 2020-LeBron James is the most powerful American athlete of all time-Joe Burrow has the perfect attitude to be an NFL QB-Every sport is on the right side of these social issues-Cam is doing everything righ...t but this year is going to be rough for him-The top 10 people in the NFL under the most pressureGuest: De'Aaron Fox, Sacramento Kings PG Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Here we are on a Friday.
This is The Hurt, wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
We are live in Los Angeles right here on FS1.
Thanks so much for joining us today.
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Yes.
So this is our big show today.
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How are you?
I'm great.
I watched a bunch of nonsense on TV last night.
Give me sports.
So LeBron James is
obviously the most powerful NBA player. In my opinion, and it's really been cemented in the last 24
hours, he's the most powerful athlete in the history of America. Michael Jordan was more popular.
Big difference between popularity and power. Tom Brady is very popular among players. How much power
does he have? Hell, he couldn't even get his own coaching staff to listen to him. Aaron Rogers is
talented. He can't get his team to draft players he wants. You read these stories on LeBron James.
The entire league, including the owners, was waiting for LeBron to decide if they were going to
play. Now, some people resent power, but most people, frankly, say they want it, but they don't.
Power's hard. There's a lot of heat and a lot of burdens and a lot of responsibility and a lot of
questions. I read two stories, one by Chris Haynes. Udana's Haslam basically said,
dude, you're the face of the league. We'll play if you want to. The Milwaukee Bucks,
according to sources, said if LeBron says we're playing, we're playing. If not, we won't.
LeBron said, let me sleep on it and was willing to say no, but he wanted to hear from the
billionaire owners and their proposals going forward.
99% of guys just love ball.
Hardin loves ball.
Kawhi loves ball.
Brady loves ball.
I got no problem with that.
Michael love ball.
LeBron's willing to deal with the burdens and the responsibilities of true power.
Michael didn't have this power.
Michael didn't love conflict.
Twice he quit basketball.
Didn't want to deal with Jerry Krause, didn't want to deal with certain ownership.
Just didn't want to deal with it.
and Michael's the best basketball player I've ever seen
and he's more popular than LeBron.
Now there's a series of circumstances,
and this is not a referendum against Michael Jordan.
I mean, he's been, I don't think you should have to talk politics.
And he's never been, you know, very deft at it.
But there is a series of circumstances
that have made LeBron the most powerful athlete in the history of America.
Number one, he's the best NBA player in a league where players
control it. Number two, he's the most politically active.
Number three, his career has lasted a long
time. We've been talking about him, you know,
on the cover of Sports Illustrated in high school
19 years ago.
He's best friends
with a lot of the other stars.
MJ was not. He's the most media
savvy player I've ever seen. He has
his own talk show and his own networks.
He's like Oprah. Like she owned her own
network. LeBron's got his own networks.
Whereas MJ was the killer,
he would go after you. You know,
LeBron's more philanthropist, lubricic
not agitator, not agitator, doesn't have many enemies in the league.
And also timing.
Sometimes in life, you know, it's just timing.
Social media has empowered all these athletes.
They're just more popular than ever.
Michael Jordan had power.
He didn't have this power.
I don't think Michael ever wanted this power.
And that's okay.
I don't think Brady wants that power.
Some guys just love ball.
Hardin loves ball.
Michael, Michael, like, now Michael was rich.
He was talented and he was popular.
And he had some power.
He didn't have this power.
I mean, LeBron, literally the owners were waiting for LeBron to tell them, according to the Chris Hain story, can we play?
Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan are the only thing close to LeBron in terms of ratings disappear when they leave.
And that is power.
But it's not like the PGA is canceling the masters when Tiger went away from.
for a couple years. Cancelling the U.S. Open, canceling the Riter Cup.
I mean, Michael left, we kept playing.
Michael left again. We kept playing.
I mean, the reality is LeBron has been willing, willing to be hated.
Remember this mobility thing?
It used to be a stigma.
Now, we think you're crazy if you don't leave.
Yonis is not going to consider leaving Milwaukee?
That's LeBron.
LeBron literally, literally changed how we view.
I've said this about Steph Curry, too.
He's changed the way we play basketball.
LeBron changed the way players move about in the league.
Michael Jordan, by the way, has been in these meetings.
He's a liaison for the owners in this whole thing.
He's just sitting listening to MJ.
M.J's making, listening to LeBron.
LeBron's making all the decisions here.
And in order to be powerful,
You have to accept it and you have to be willing to trade off stuff.
You got to give up some of your time.
You got to take a lot of heat.
You got to answer a lot of questions.
There's a lot of pressure being powerful.
Everybody says they want it.
No, they don't.
A lot of guys want to be rich.
Being a president, whether I like or dislike a president, you have to say, and most
business people, Jeff Bezos doesn't want to be president.
Elon Musk doesn't want to be president.
A lot of rich guys don't want to be president.
They don't want the burden, the questions, the heat, the nonstop 24-7 relentless responsibility of it.
I've never seen, according to these stories, we've never seen this in America.
Again, I'm not saying the most popular.
I'm not saying the richest.
But all these circumstances, LeBron's the lubricator.
He's made friends with players.
He's taken stands on mobility and social justice.
And I think for that, it's incredibly laudable because I just don't think most professional athletes, even the great ones, they don't want to deal with it.
They don't want to deal with responsibility and what comes with it.
And a lot of what comes with power is hard.
That's why LeBron, I still don't get it, but he's polarizing.
Muhammad Ali was polarizing.
I didn't think so as a kid, and I don't think so now, but to a lot of people they are.
So I saw this story this morning.
I really like this story.
We got some football in the show today.
So pro football focus.
The stories are coming out that Joe Burrow is lighting up camp.
Yesterday in a scrimmage, six for six, 70 yards, touchdown.
He's just ripping it up.
Now, I know what you're thinking.
Oh, Colin, you're going to crush him.
Nope, I'm not.
I'm going to shift a little bit on Joe Burrow.
I'm starting to see something with Joe Burrow.
that I really like, and it's not six for six.
It's not as spirals. It's not his college career.
I'm starting to see something with Joe Burrow that's really impressive.
When I poked Baker Mayfield in the ribs, police video,
his height, poked him in the ribs, kind of a reach.
Oh, it bothered him. He fired back every time.
Every time.
because Baker was not ready to go from best college team to lousy NFL team.
That's a certain level of maturity and self-esteem that few have.
Baker Mayfield has admitted in the last month,
Baker's words, I lost my way.
I lost who I was.
I've been on Joe Burrell for six months.
He follows me on social media.
he retweets me, he never fires back.
Because Joe Burrough's self-esteem is not tied to what I think of him.
Joe Burroughs self-esteem, and this is really important,
is tied to what Joe Burrow thinks of himself.
I always said this.
The athlete has to show you and tell you how great he is,
is always the most insecure.
Joe Burrow never fired back, not once.
And that's important in the NFL.
because in college at LSU, he rarely trailed in football games.
They always had more good players, even against Alabama.
It's a much easier life.
The NFL is hard.
You get hit more.
It hurts more.
And his team is lousy, and he's going to lose a bunch of games.
And when Baker lost a bunch of games, he fired off at teammates, he fired off at the medical staff, he fires off at media.
Because Baker puff his chest out.
But he now admits, Baker now admits,
I've got to get more focused on football.
And good for Baker.
Good for Baker.
He's getting it.
Joe Burrow is already there.
Took Baker two years.
Joe's there.
He's not bothered by me, not bothered by critics.
Kind of puts his arms around it.
And that's a real thing.
that's a real thing because this league the national football league beat you up physically and it beat you up
emotionally it's on you all day the toilet paper that never comes off the shoe it never comes off
you're getting hit you're getting poked you're getting maligned you're getting knocked you're
getting criticized you're getting doubted and if your self-esteem is tied to anything other than
your value system, bruh, you're in big trouble.
Joe Burrow gets it.
Not bothered by me.
Doesn't give a rip.
Doesn't care.
I love it.
Not that he's following me.
Not that he's retweeting.
Although I admit I got very excited.
He's telling me, Burroughs all on the stuff that matters.
Bingles, teammates, football, playbook.
confidence.
That's what it's about.
This league's not about the biggest arm.
Joe Montana didn't have the biggest arm.
Best quarterback's in this league.
Mahomes is rare.
He's talented best arm and best quarter.
We don't think Lamar Jackson is the best arm.
This league's not about the biggest guy.
Is Russell Wilson big?
Is Drew Breeze big?
It's never been about the arm and the size and the swagger.
It is about confidence, focus,
judgment, maturity.
I may just start saying nice stuff about Joe Burrow.
I like it.
I think you just did say nice stuff about Joe Burrow.
Not a peep.
His self-esteem is not tied to what others think of him.
It's what he thinks of himself, and I love that.
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The headlines are a little misleading.
They were asked about, you know, would players boycott?
And they said, you know, we have players' councils and we talk about it.
The headline makes it sound like they want to.
I don't think NFL players have the power structure of NBA players to, you know, kind of dictate terms like NBA stars can.
But my takeaway on all this stuff is every league now is supporting NBA players.
Baseball's got 8% African Americans.
they're all in.
And a lot of the boycott crowd
is running out of spaces to hide.
When the NBA guy, you know, you always love
these guys, I don't like the, I'm not going to watch
the NBA ever again. My guess is you probably didn't watch it much
to begin with, right? I'm never listening to your show
Colin again, and then I find out they don't really listen to it.
It's like not much of a threat. But when the NBA players
decided, hey, we have concerns about social justice,
you heard a lot of this.
boycott the NBA.
I'm going to go watch hockey.
Oh, bruh.
Hockey guys aren't playing today or tomorrow either.
I think you're running out of safe spaces.
Well, golf!
Oh, no, golf is embracing Black Lives Matter, too.
So is tennis and baseball and the NFL.
Bro, you're running out of places to hide.
Forget the fact you're on the wrong side of this.
You're running out of places to hide.
Hockey is now.
now taking a knee and supporting players.
Because it's the right thing.
This is multiracial and multicultural and multi-sport.
Billionaire owners not only wield incredible political power, but legislative power.
And athletes led by the NBA are saying, enough.
We can't move you.
The country can't move you.
Billionaires have never made more money.
The gap between rich and poor.
and I'm supposedly, according to studies, one of those rich dudes.
Now, obviously, we're talking a different level.
But the gap between, you know, people with a lot of money and people without it is greater than ever.
And a lot of it's just the explosion of tech.
You can make so much more money in tech.
There are days in Silicon Valley now.
Silicon Valley two weeks ago, four companies made $915 billion in six hours.
That's not the way it used to work.
I'm not blaming anybody for this.
I'm not blaming rich people.
I'm not blaming billionaires.
What I am saying is they have legislative and political power.
The rest of us people do not.
And the NBA players are saying, use it or lose us.
And all the other rich athletes, I mean, LeBron's net worth is $750 million.
LeBron's a rich cat.
He doesn't have to be LeBron's fight.
He's done.
He can stop now and golf forever.
He can do whatever he wants, hang out with his kids, go on banana boats.
He doesn't have to do any of this.
LeBron's saying, hey, you guys are making more money than ever.
You're all involved mostly with tech.
You guys have $900 billion days.
Make changes.
Fight in our communities, fighting our schools.
And everybody's following.
And this is how you get billionaires to do things.
Force them.
This is how you do it.
This is how you get changed.
You've got to force them.
We've got to make them uncomfortable.
But you can keep telling me you're boycotting blank.
you've run out of spaces.
This is multi-sport,
multi-race, multicultural.
You've run out of spaces to hide
because hockey, golf,
tennis, baseball, football, NBA.
The smart people get it.
This is the right side of things.
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So Cam Newton's still wearing the hats and everything.
thing, but Cam Newton is a new Cam Newton.
Belichick yesterday said
it's incredible, he's a personality, he's
fun, it's just kumbaya, it's nothing but love.
And Cam now is
humble Cam. The Patriot
Way is, you know, he still likes his hats.
Some guys like hats, what can we say?
Some peeps like hats. I like
my new shoes from Switzerland. Whatevs?
Cam talked yesterday at a press conference.
He is sounding very
New England patriot.
You feel as though
the starting quarterback job is
yours right now? Absolutely not.
Every day is a workday
for me and that
label is not important to me right now
because I know I have so much that I need to get better at,
so much that I need to learn, so much that I need
to be comfortable with.
And throughout this process, that's the last
thing that I'm pretty much worried about.
I'm liking it. And Belichick's
effusive in his praise.
Here's the thing.
We've got to be fair now. And I'm a critic of camp.
We got to be fair.
fair. He's going to find out. You people all said Cam didn't have any support in Carolina.
New England doesn't have anything like Christian McCaffrey. Nothing close to Greg Olson at
tight end. And I think DJ Moore is better than any Patriot receiver. New England's offensive
personnel is possession receivers, B-minus running back talent, and no functional tight end.
And I think what's going to happen here. And Cam's going to take the brunt of the hits because
Belichick's got all the trophies.
It's really important for Cam to be coachable and humble because he's not going to have big
numbers here and they're not going to be a great football team.
But if Cam, if that's the cam I get in one year, he's going to have a market.
New England drafts, I've been told this by two people formerly in New England.
They do the draft differently and this never gets reported.
That Belichick, sometime in January or February, nobody else does it.
this way. Belichick says to his scouts and his personnel people, thanks. I've got it from here.
I don't think it works. I think they draft offensive people as poorly as anybody.
But again, when you've got Brady running the show and you're winning trophies, and I do think
Belichick's the smartest guy, he works the cap, special teams, defense, O lines, very good.
But if you go, I'll give you an example. I don't think they do a very good job. They have no
playmakers. They have no speed. They have no functional
tied in.
2019 go to their draft. They drafted
five offensive players. Jared Stidham.
Back up, poor camp. Doesn't appear
to be a starter. Nikiel Harry played
in just seven games. That's on a team
that had limited wide receivers,
not in a loaded wide receiver group.
Running back, Damien Harris,
barely played. An offensive
tackle in round three, a guard in round four.
Neither played a snap in a game.
There's no playmakers here.
There's no speed here. There's no
functional tight end here. There's no game breakers here. There's nobody you have to double.
So Tom Brady, who's the best quarterback I've ever seen, he's better than Cam. His efficiency,
he doesn't throw the long ball much. He's not a guy. Tom's very efficient. So we took these
limited parts and his efficiency made it work. But even Tom last year and we caught him on tape twice,
barking at receivers, get open, separate from people.
So I'm a CAM critic and all this stuff is awesome.
I really do think it's important for Cam to be coachable,
Cam to be humble, and then I think there's going to be a market for him
because the numbers are going to be fairly anemic.
The biggest playmaker they have is Cam Newton.
That's it.
That is a, that is it.
Cam can make you miss.
Cam can run past you.
Cam can run over you.
But we got to be fair on this.
He is not putting up big numbers.
They got no deep threat.
He's not putting up big numbers.
He's not.
There's nothing here, man.
The division's better.
There's nothing here.
And I do think every great coach has a hole.
Remember Andy Reed?
It was always not very good with the clock late in games.
Belichick's hole.
Offensive skill people.
Last pro bowler he drafted.
Grong.
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I did see a story this morning.
Kevin Stefansky, the new coach of Cleveland, said about Baker Mayfield.
He said he's all ball.
He's totally focused.
Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stefansky now, very focused.
No nonsense.
This is the Baker, I think, that can succeed to certain levels in the NFL.
I do think they're going to be a winning football team this year.
I think they have a tremendous offensive personnel, though, some injuries in camp.
And so I thought, what 10 players or 10 people
in the NFL to me of the most pressure this year.
Who's got the most pressure in the NFL?
So here's my top 10.
Facing the most pressure this year, here we go.
Number 10.
I would say Cam Newton, not a ton, but he is a star,
and he had no market for him when he was on the market.
There was no market for him.
His former coach didn't take him.
They took Kyle Allen.
He's lost his last eight starts.
There are people that thought it was just injuries,
why his mechanics went down.
a little bit of a stigma around Cam, you know, can't take criticism well, not a winning quarterback.
This is important. Now, I think the personnel he has around him is nothing, but I do think there's
some pressure him for him to be a good leader, to show he's coachable. And by the way, to stay healthy,
because he's been dinged up a lot. A lot of eyes on Cam. Number nine. Tom Brady, I think there's
more pressure on Brady. First of all, he has his worst completion percentage year in seven.
years and Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and all these tight ends, this is a stacked offense.
Now, I'm not saying they can go eight and eight, but he has got to look good because Tom didn't
look good last year and this offensive roster is absurdly talented. So I think even more than
Cam, I think Tom Brady to prove his critics wrong, because there's a lot of people on this
network that are like, he's shot, it's over. I don't think it is. I thought Eli Manning was shot.
I don't think Brady's shot, but there are a lot of people out there, people I respect saying he's not the same dude.
A lot of pressure on Tom.
Number eight.
Ben Rathesberger.
Okay, this is a guy that historically, we know this.
He doesn't work out hard in the offseason.
Russell Wilson does.
Brady does.
Ben can be kind of like dad in the offseason.
I'm going to hang out, go to the lake, go to this and that.
Also, it's time for Ben to get along with teammates, younger teammates.
A lot of drama here with Ben.
I think Ben comes in and struggles with another teammate, more drama.
People are going to say, dude, you're 38, you're not in good shape.
I think there's some pressure on Ben.
Number seven.
Jimmy Garoppolo.
I think he has to win back the trust of his coach, because I think his coach took the football
out of his arm in the playoffs.
If you go look at his completion and percentage went down in the playoffs, his yards
per game went down in the playoffs, his passer rating went down in the playoffs.
So what that tells me is they were not building offenses around him.
The coaching staff had questions about Jimmy G.
So there's some pressure in the building.
There were also the Brady rumor, trade rumors.
There's pressure on Jimmy in the building.
Does Kyle trust you in big spots?
Right now, I'm not sure he does.
Number six.
Pete Carroll, your offensive line now is a joke.
Your defenses are in the toilet.
So now, you can no longer say, hey, Pete's got the defense.
Defense fixed. No, it's bad.
Defensive line is ranked worst in the NFL.
And the offense, for years, everybody now analytically is going,
God, the offense is like 1988.
There's some pressure on Pete now. Pete's got all the power there.
He controls the draft. He controls the personnel.
And the personnel in the O&D lines is garbage.
It's garbage.
So this Jamal Adams trade better work.
Number five.
Aaron Rogers.
Now, less pressure this morning now that we hear Jordan Love is terrible at practice.
But let's be honest about Aaron Rogers.
His completion percentage has declined in each of the last three years.
He has worn out some teammates.
You know, the McCarthy thing, stories out now.
It wasn't all Mike McCarthy.
Aaron's still talented, but he's got to stay healthy.
He's got to get along with his coach.
He's got to make this thing work.
He doesn't have to help Jordan Love.
That part, I think, is unfair.
You can't ask Kim to worry about the evolution of Jordan Love.
but I do think for Aaron in 16 games
are we going to be like
he's just not a top five guy anymore
too prickly
not the same guy a lot of people
a lot of stories in the athletic recently
secret sauce is gone some pressure on him
number four
Dak Prescott I think that's obvious he got new coaching staff
it's a lot of economic pressure
is Dak going to get the massive offer
it really is more because we know he's a good guy
we know he's a good leader we know he's capable
you know he can get to the playoffs
I don't think he has to have a playoff run.
But does Mike McCarthy go, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to, this is my guy for five years.
Jerry, sign him to a fat contract.
It's a kind of economic pressure for Dak Prescott.
Number three.
Derek Carr.
I like him way more than his coach does.
I think he's very talented.
I think he's Tony Romo.
Not quite his athletic, but Tony Romo.
But let's be honest here.
He has a losing record in five of six seasons.
He's getting a reputation as won't let go with the football.
We'll not let it rip.
And Gruden likes quarterbacks who let it rip.
So they brought in Marcus Mario dairota for a reason to put pressure on Derek Carr.
It's real.
Number two.
Adam Gase, can you get along with one star?
They didn't get along with Jamal Adams?
Didn't get along with his defensive coordinator?
It's not Sam Darnel.
Folks, people like Sam Darnal.
Everybody in the room likes Sam Darnal.
Joe Douglas, the GM, did not hire Adam Gase.
Joe Douglas, I know Joe Douglas.
He loves Sam Darnel.
Players love Sam Darnel.
Owner like Sam Darnel.
Fans like Sam Darnal.
Adam Gays got to win.
He doesn't get along with anybody.
And I got news for you.
You got to, it may not be the NBA, but you got to get along with some of your stars, like one.
Number one.
Baker Mayfield, I've been saying this now for a year.
Everybody's finally saying Cleveland's talent is absurd.
Folks, I can make an argument after Kansas City.
They may have the best offensive talent.
Tackles, receivers, running backs, tight ends.
There is way too much talent here.
Baker's got to win at least nine games.
I'm not asking to win 12.
I'm not asking to win the division.
Baker's got to get his act together.
This is a stacked offense.
Both tackles and their center and they have a guard.
They have four legit offensive linemen,
two star receivers, two good died in,
two good running backs,
and this coaching staff is not going to put up with any nonsense.
Like, this is what, third, fourth coach,
they're done with a nonsense.
A lot of pressure on Baker.
And I do think he will deliver to a certain level.
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Last time Deeran Fox was here,
he was in the studio, he wore glasses.
He was, we were like,
he looked like a professor.
He was professorial.
He's also a great, great player.
But there's so many great guards.
It's so funny, he was like 26 and 7.
He put up huge numbers,
but you got Booker and you got Dame
and you got Luca.
And I mean, the West is just stacked.
Steph Curry is pretty good.
I mean, it's just incredible.
And Aaron Fox is now joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network.
First round pick, number five overall out of Kentucky.
All right, young man.
So here we go.
Now you've got, you watch this whole bubble experience.
Let's just first talk about this.
Were you surprised players have elected to come back in play with the social unrest and the situations going on?
Where does that all land for you?
Were you surprised they quickly voted to go back?
back and play the year? I would say I was surprised how quickly it came back but I think that I thought
that it would come back. I mean, everybody sees it now. You know, this is a, they're on a big stage,
you know, now that they're playing in the bubble. Everybody wants to know what's going on in the
bubble. Everybody wants to know what the players are thinking. Obviously the people who disagree are
going to say they don't care what the players are thinking, but people want to see what they're saying.
So I think, I think it was a good idea. I think it was a good thing to go back into the bubble and
continue to play because now you're still on that big stage.
Obviously, if you left, you can go to protest and things.
But right now, there's no bigger stage than being in that bubble right now.
You know, what's interesting, Deeran, Joey and I have been saying this.
I thought the quality of play was amazing.
I think it looks cool.
It felt like college.
It was the intensity.
Were you at all surprised how good the quality of basketball was playing in Florida in
front of no fans?
Yeah, man.
it's actually crazy. So I didn't play the first two scrimmage games. And I'm kind of sitting here like,
man, this is like, this is weird. I'm like, I'm asking guys, like, how does it feel being out
there? Because it's since I wasn't playing. But they did a great job with the aesthetics. Like,
it's kind of like playing in LA. When you play, when you play the Lakers, the court is lit up and the
crowd is kind of dark. And that's kind of how it feels like when you're playing there. So,
yeah, they did it. They did a fantastic job with that. And I think that's why guys, I mean,
I think guys have enjoyed playing there.
Obviously, you know, the backdrop is a bit different.
Some people are shooting a lot better than they did.
But they did during the season.
But it's, man, it's actually, I would say, a great experience playing.
Now, it's interesting.
You guys had a winning record against the Clippers
and a losing record against the Lakers.
So let's start with the Clippers.
A very deep roster.
They have old guys.
They got a lot of wings.
They got young guys.
I think it's the best roster in the NBA.
That's my opinion.
But you guys had some.
some success against the Clippers.
Why do you think that is?
Well, one, you know, every time we played them, I think either one PG or Kauai were out.
But with us, we just tried to get them to play, you know, fast.
I think I had good games.
Two of the two of the three times we played in which are the two times we won,
one in LA, one in Sacramento.
But yeah, I mean, you know, that team, it hasn't been too many times where they've had their entire roster.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, that's saying something.
But, I mean, that's a great team.
That is a great team.
Especially, you know, when they have Pat Lou, I mean, Pat Kauai and PG on the floor at the same time.
I mean, they're switching everything.
All of them can guard the ball.
They have two guys that can put the ball on the basket.
Well, three that can put the ball on the basket at Will with counting Lou Will.
But, yeah, I mean, when we played him, someone was always out.
I think Kauai got hurt during warm-ups one of the times we played them.
and I think that hurts them when one of their stars are out.
Now, you had a losing record against the Lakers.
The Lakers have enormous, first of all, they have LeBron,
but it's a big team, Javelle McGeele.
Huge team.
Huge.
I mean, they made Portland look like a junior varsity roster
because they were so enormous.
So did the Lakers height and size and length, DeAren?
Did it give you problems?
I did.
It definitely did.
Actually, I only played the Lakers once because I didn't play them early in the year.
and we had only played them twice.
But yeah, man, like, once you touch the nail,
which is, you know, the Frit Delon area,
now you're seeing, you know, AD, either Javelle or Dwight,
you know, LeBron's still sitting on the wing.
Then sometimes, you know, you have a guy like who's playing the four,
who's six, nine.
So, yeah, their length on defense alone,
on defense alone is mind-boggling, honestly.
And then you have LeBron coming down playing point guard.
AD's playing the four because he doesn't play the five.
Right.
Yeah, that's a huge team.
I think they caused a lot of matchup problems.
Yeah, no, I think you're right.
I do think the one thing I saw from the Lakers in the bubble is offensively, a lot of questions, defensively, no questions.
They're veterans.
Also, I think I think KCP started the game.
No, Avery Bradley had 20 on us in like the first half in the first quarter.
He didn't miss that game either.
It's different when Avery, when Avery said, even though he's not in the bubble.
So let's talk about being in the bubble.
Sacramento, you guys went three and five in the bubble.
I was really impressed that the players in one day of negotiating could figure this out.
Because, you know, you've been in negotiations for a contract.
Negotiations take weeks and monks.
Baseball guys were screaming and yelled at each other for 60 days,
and basketball guys had a day to figure it out.
And I said it's pretty commendable because there's a lot of stress going on in these bubbles.
You can't see family.
Did you – Paul George said he basically –
he unraveled emotionally.
Did you sense a little bit of that, Deeran,
that it is really hard to ask a guy to go play
3,000 miles from home,
no family, no friends.
Was it ever hard for you?
Oh, man.
So for me, y'all, with me and my girlfriend
and then me and my friends,
I was always on FaceTime.
Like, always on FaceTime.
Having to talk to something like the people
that I usually talk to every day.
But yeah, man, it's difficult.
Obviously, people are going to say,
people will sit there and be like,
you're getting paid millions to do this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And, you know, people don't realize how difficult it is.
Obviously, you're playing basketball.
Your body's getting beat up.
You're not seeing your loved ones, you know, every day like you're used to.
It's definitely difficult.
We were there for a little over a month, and I was ready to go.
Once I replied that you weren't making it, I'm like, man, like, I'm ready to get out of here.
Obviously, I wish you made the playoffs, but we didn't, and I was ready to go home.
it's a difficult thing.
And, you know, some of those guys, you know,
the people who are,
the guys who are going to the finals
are going to be there until October.
Yeah.
Basically.
Yeah, that's, that's difficult.
It's definitely difficult being able to do that.
But I definitely commend the NBA on what they did, man.
It was,
it was,
I would say,
it was put,
it was set up,
you know,
great where,
you know,
the housing was great.
Facilities we were using were great.
It was,
especially for this to be the first time,
man,
I give it a,
I give it an eight.
You know, it could be better, but they did a fantastic job with it.
Yeah, we, Joy and I have said that.
We think, we think you can't, nobody's perfect in a pandemic, man.
It's airlines.
Yeah, but that, man, that was, that was, they did a fantastic job with that.
And I think that's why we sit here and say, you know, the NBA is the best league.
I think that's why we say that.
Well, you know, it's interesting.
Deeran Fox joining a Sacramento King Point Guard, great young player among many of the great
young guards in the NBA and many of them are out West.
You know, I was saying this is that NBA players are not asking for,
more money. They're asking for more support from America on an issue they have with law enforcement.
And for you, I ask a lot of players this. And I don't mean, I don't even think this is a political
issue. I think it's a human issue. I mean, you grow up as a black male in America.
And parents have discussions with their children that I didn't have to go through. I wasn't
told to be careful. Aaron, if you, De Aaron, if you would for our audience.
is the law enforcement issue for you?
It's a young, black, powerful, wealthy young man in America.
Is it been something you've talked about with friends and dealt with for a long time?
Oh, all the time.
It's actually funny.
So someone on our training staff, she's Irish.
So she's kind of asking like, you know, what's the problem, you know, with, you know, the police?
And one of our rookies who's actually from Florida, he was just saying, like,
obviously we all know this and I don't like when people bring it up that there are good cops like we all know that we've all probably the security at the school a cop at the school like you had a great relationship with them so you know but it's like usually when you have a running with the police you know it's never something good it's never a positive so but for me man like yes I'm in the NBA I have money but the way I dress outside of you know coming to games and doing this you know I have a hoodie on and this is when I had that
a lot of hair. I had a hoodie on. I usually had my hoodie on. And then I have sweatpants on.
So, like, I look like the average 18 to 23 year old. You don't know that I have, you know,
a expensive watch on or expensive chain because I'm probably not wearing it. I'm just being
comfortable going to, you know, Walmart or something like that. And yeah, so people, not only with,
you know, police, but just, you know, little small things like, you know, someone checking your
receipt. You know, I make X amount of dollars. I go to Walmart. I buy something. You know,
they could be three, and it's happened. It could be three, you know, white people in front of me.
They all walk by. I probably have more money to them. Most likely than not, I probably have one money
in them. They walk by. The person doesn't even look at them. Then as soon as I walk, you know,
they want to check my receipt, make sure everything in my, make sure everything is correct in my bag.
And I just think that's like little small things. I've, I've never had a, you know, a crazy running
with the police. So, you know, I'm thankful for that. But there's always just little small
thing, someone clenching on to something, walking across the street, you kind of see them stop and
kind of stare at you while you walk across. It's just little things like that. And it's obviously
frustrating, but, you know, some people just don't understand. And I'm happy that I've had, you know,
people who aren't black actually asked me those type of questions who are around me. Because, you know,
they, some people just truly don't get it. And, you know, it's sometimes it's great that they're
asking, you know, genuine questions about it.
Yeah. Well, you know, one of the reasons I think the NBA is in such good shape is there's just so many good people.
I think you're one of them. I think you, I think Damian Lillard, who, you know, I don't know most of these guys.
Steph Curry I've met. I know Clay Thompson's dad. But it's a really, it's a great community of kids who love basketball.
And some of you want to talk about politics. And I think it's time for guys like me to listen.
and I just think you have an unbelievable future.
And John Calipari mostly likes me.
He gets after me sometimes if I ever criticize a Kentucky Wildcat.
But you are such a great face of that program and for the Sacramento Kings.
I love having you on when you're in L.A., when we get through this pandemic,
come to our show, sit here.
We'd love to have you, promote anything you got.
And we just appreciate you coming on the show today.
Oh, no, I appreciate you, man.
It's always fantastic.
It's always a great one I'm on.
So thank you.
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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.
It's the enhanced games.
Some call it grotesque.
Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,
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A win is a win.
A win is a win.
I don't care what I'm saying.
Yep, that's me.
Clifford Taylor the 4th.
You might have seen the skits,
my basketball and college football journey,
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Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement
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This is a place for raw,
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For 1979, that was a big moment for me.
84 was big to me.
I'm Sam Jay and I'm Alex English.
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Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s.
84 was a wild year.
It was a wild year.
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