The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Feb 12, 2020

Episode Date: February 12, 2020

Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin and talks about how what the Rockets are doing and what the Pelicans are doing with Zion Williamson is the same thing. He calls out Michael Irvin for completely flipping his opinion about Tom Brady potentially going to the Cowboys. Plus, former NFL Offensive Lineman Geoff Schwartz says Cam Newton is done in Carolina and Phillip Rivers should be a broadcaster instead of playing for another team Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And however, you may be making it part of your day. Live from Los Angeles, I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in for Colin Cowherd. Radio only, which means we can do this show totally naked. That's the note he left me. You can do the show naked. I'm in a hoodie. What are you wearing Gottlie? I'm in a hoodie.

Goulet, not in a hoodie. Tooie, not in a hoodie. Anyway, we're here for you. Antonio Daniels, lead analyst for the New Orleans Pelicans will join us half past the hour. Jeff Schwartz will join us at 10.30 on the west.

Was at 1.30 on the east? And Nick Swisher, we'll talk some baseball, believe or not. We've got a lot to get to. to. I want to start with this. We got a lot to get to. There is growing controversy over the Poodle winning Best in Show last night. Pudle or Golden Retriever, right? Like this is, the upper crust always works, always wins. Man, the Pudal had a cool cut. I'm just going to tell you, Pudel's barber, that you're the real, you're Kevin Durant, you're the real, you're the real MVP there. My Sheep A Doodle is boycotting the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show.

That's because there are no doodles. Doodles are not yet considered. Worthy, worthy, mm, mm, worthy of acceptance. All right, we got some dog talk to get to. I saw that, I saw that, or actually was listing early this morning, Clay Travis had a couple on from one of those cruise ships, which is quarantine. in the all-time non-injured, non-injured living nightmares, right?

Like, anybody can say, like, what's your worst nightmare? I mean, like, there's lots of abduction and, okay, but things that actually don't do anything bad to you. Like, nothing actually harms you. Anyone's top five would be quarantined in a cabin aboard a cruise ship. What a cruise ship. Sixers get another home win, the best home team in basketball. The Clippers got their butts beat.

We got a lot to get to. Let me start with this. So there's a correlation in these stories. Correlation in these stories. Last Friday, I guest hosted for Colin, and it was fresh off the rockets getting a win as they have downshifted to small ball, right? to completely go in small ball and it screwed the Lakers up.

Now, you fast forward to last night and the Rockets beat the Celtics at home, 1-16-105. There's lots of weird things with that game. This might be the strangest, and we don't have the crack research crew on radio only that we used to have on TV, but Goulet, you can look this up if you want.

Has there ever been a game in the NBA? where a team scores 116 points and they only get five points off the bench. I don't even know how you begin to look that up, but that seems to be a low output off the bench. Five points. Austin Rivers hit a shot. Ben McLemore hit a shot.

Nobody else made a shot for the entire bench. Russell Westbrook continued his tear, 36 points. He only took two, three-point shots. So maybe the real hero in this. The story is not Daryl Morey getting rid of Clint Capella and getting Robert Covington. The real hero in the story is whomever, Dary or member of the coaching staff, was able to convince Russell Westbrook to stop shooting three point shots. You're the real hero. The grand experiment in Houston is just the latest incarnation in what was started by Golden State.

I correlate this story. The Rockets beating the Celtics, their second big win over a title hopeful team since going completely selling out and going 6 foot 6, 6 foot 7 in Under League. And Zion Williamson having 31 points. Now, when Zion Williamson was coming out of college last year and fast forward to this year, I have said and continue to say that Zion Williamson is not LeBron James. there's a little LeBron quality to him, but he plays actually the same position as a Draymond Green. He's a power forward at 6-5 in change, 6-7 in shoes. He's a small ball center.

If you watched him last night as the Pelicans, I mean, they absolutely positively destroyed the Portland Trailblazers. All of his points, and it's really easy to find. find them on social media. All of his points are against either Hassan Whiteside, who is the center, a couple are against Carmelo Anthony, who's the power forward, and then

some Trevor Reza when they got caught in a mismatch. He's too big and strong for Trevor Reza, too fast and athletic for White Side and for Carmelo Anthony. This dude is a freak of nature. But, you know, I remember reading Malcolm Gladwell's book

the tipping point. And there's supposedly this moment when everything tips, everything changes. And maybe that was Golden State winning the title, or maybe it was winning 73 games the next year. But I always feel like change is not instantaneous. The change comes slowly and methodically, and it's helped out by other factors. That's what I got when I read the book. I always thought the tipping point was more of a, it's like a swell of a wave where you can see it off in the distance and it's coming and it's coming and it's coming and it's coming and it's coming and it's here and then it just washes everything and its path away there's a lot to it there's this changes my thoughts over what I guess the warriors will be how how good the warriors can be next year

maybe the ceiling for whatever the rockets can be but this is the next wave in basketball it is here it has arrived like well you can't win a title that way that's not a true, the Golden State Warriors did. Now, did they play that way the entire game? No. They had, remember they had Bogot and then they had Javel McGee. They would always start with the traditional kind of shot blocking, rim protecting center. Bogot, one of the great illegal screeners in the history of the NBA, also a very good passer. And I miss his personality in the NBA. And like Jevel McGee's a rim protector and dunker. But if you want to say you can't win this way, I beg to differ, the Warriors did win this way.

The question becomes, can you win solely playing this way? But the New Orleans Pelicans scored 138 points against the Portland Trailblazers. The Trailblazers have what we're told is an elite-level shot blocker in a Hassan White's side. And he could do nothing, nothing with a 19-year-old rookie, Zion Williamson. part of it is the rules they allow you to be super physical in the post part of it is post players aren't developed in terms of their skill in the low post part of it is analytics tells us that a post up shot is in fact a bad shot and that the volume of three point three pointers taken and having sometimes four shooters on the floor or maybe five shooters on the floor opens up the lane and allows for greater movement and so smaller bodies that are more agile like zion can function better But this is not the tipping point. This is not the crest of the wave. The wave has already crashed.

I mean, if you watch the Bucks play, the truth is, that's really how the rockets are playing. It's a different body. Okay, but, you know, Janus is not a good three-point shooter. He hadn't hit five. I don't think he's hit four since he hit five against the Lakers. But Janus, because there's no center in the lane, nobody posting up, and you put four shooters around him, now he can operate and do whatever he wants.

That's essentially what the rockets are doing. That's similar at times to what the pelicans are doing. What's amazing about it is we're so caught up in the fact that the rockets haven't won to this point. I don't think they were going to win anyway that many of us, myself included in denial over what may be the ceiling. Like, look, they're just trying to be the best at what every, everyone else is in fact doing. That's what everybody's doing.

LeBron did it. It may not have looked like it when he had, whether it's Chris Bosch playing center out at three point line, or Kevin Love playing center. But the truth is, LeBron is doing what LeBron would do, which is go one-on-one, try and play downhill, and if you help, have three-point shooters all around the basket. That's what we do.

That's what basketball has become. and people were in denial of moneyball and baseball forever. Nick Saban was in denial about the spread and running tempo offense. And guess what Nick Saban has run over the past couple of years? You guessed it, tempo and spread offense. This is not the crest of the wave. This is the wave crashing down and taking everything in its path. The future is here.

It is here. right you ever come up with a good idea for an app you're like man there's a good idea for an app okay don't tell anybody let's search and find out if there's an app like that you're like damn it somebody already invented that

honestly my wife one time she was sitting there she was like you know what we need we need an app and I am doing that's not her voice but I'm doing the you know it's a woman's voice you know what we need we need an app that's a mirror right you press the app and it's a mirror so you don't have to cover

you know she doesn't even wear hardly any makeup there's an app that's a mirror and then I was like well that's a great idea but man maybe somebody thought of that I haven't seen anybody with it search you're like damn it we can sit here and think that the rockets

invented this thing and then they go and search like yeah kind of what the bucks are doing kind of what LeBron has done similar in some senses some not totally to what you know

the pelicans are doing Damn it! The future is now in NBA basketball. And we'll talk about the Sixers a little bit later on in the show, but it's fascinating to see if the Sixers are able to evolve and to be one of those teams with two guys that might not fit together in that form of basketball. That's really the challenge there.

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that's when you're going to war you're going to the mattresses I do believe leave, there's a lot. There's a lot. But the Frank Pantangeli, this is Godfather 2 now. I remember Godfather 2. Godfather 2,

one, it goes back to, it goes back, and then it goes forward, it skips through time. Goes to Sicily, where Michael is hiding out, right? Gets married. I can, this is no spoiler alert, right? The Godfather is 30 years old,

at least. But I thought this was interesting. You go back two days ago, or I guess three days ago, two days ago, two days ago, and Michael Irvin, Colin has been big on this Tom Brady to the Dallas Cowboys thing, right? Tom Brady

to the Dallas Cowboys. And I was like, yeah, I just, I don't really I don't really see it. Well, if you listen, Michael Irvin was the one who also said that that Tom Brady to the Cowboys made sense.

This is interesting. Hall of Fame wide receiver Michael Irvin created a stir by suggesting that Tom Brady could replace Dak Prescott. That was three days ago. Three. Now he's walking back those comments. He started the whole thing saying

some very significant people led him to believe there was a chance the Patriots free agent could end up with his old team. Then he wanted to clarify. I'm going to clarify what I said. I am blown away by this, Irvin told Clarence Hill to the Fort Worth Star Telegram. I said what somebody said that should no way be taken as my thoughts on what should happen. Ain't no way in the world that should happen.

That would be insane. Are you kidding me? Are you out of your mind? It's over for time. Wait, wait, what? wait three days ago you're like man i'll tell you what tom brady could replace dac prescott now you're like no way it's over for tom that's crazy who said that like michael you said that now i was just repeating what i heard but it actually came out of your mouth in first person i don't know what

you're talking about this is like frank pantangely before congress Were you a member of the Corleone family? Did you serve under Capo Regime, Peter Clemenza, under Vito Corleone, also known as the Godfather? I never know Godfather. Mr. Metangelo, you are contradicting a sworn statement you previously made to me in sign. Oh, I was in the olive oil business with his father, but that was a long time ago. all. Look, the FBI guys

they promised me a deal. So I made up a lot of stuff about Michael Corleone, because that's what they wanted. But it was all lies. And I kept saying Michael Golioli and this.

Michael Golioli did that. So I said Yeah, sure. Right? Here's Michael Irvin. I'm just, this is I'm just telling you right now, the Super Bowl of Miami, some very significant people.

I had conversations. We were leaning in that direction. It was shocking. I had a vodka cranberry in my hand. Oh, blame the booze. I had a vodka cranberry in my hand. When they said, I put the drink down and said, let's talk a little more about this. I promise you, I had a conversation with people.

I can't tell you who about the same scenario going down. I was like, man, I don't know if it's a real possibility of happening. Now he's like, no, who said that? Who could possibly say that? I don't know if they brought in Michael Irvin's twin brother or brother from Sicily and sat him somewhere next to him. You know, it's an old Sicilian family trick. Or was Jerry Jones doing the old throat slash thing? Like you're out of the family?

I don't know. Hey? But man, that was an impressive backpedal by the playmaker. Who said that? You did. I, I, that's crazy. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

All right, let's go to the Herd Global Satellite positioning, whatever thing. I'm a jig. Jeff Schwartz joins us. He has his own podcast called Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you. Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you. I believe his brother, starting his own podcast, I'm better than my brother ever was. That's actually what it is. brother your brother he basically threw out a 1600 right perfect score in the playoffs yeah one one pressure in 143 pass snaps it was pretty impressive

the highest graded linemen that pff has ever graded in a postseason he was he was locked in man it was pretty wonderful to watch obviously super bowl he played great yeah it's it's pretty awesome it's a shame that you sold his tickets and didn't get a chance to see it in person Jeff Schwartz joins us. I wish I would. Jeff Schwartz joining us. Let's start a place that you live in, a place that you played, the Carolina Panthers. So Dave Tepper, let me play for you what Dave Tepper had to say yesterday when he was asked about Cam Newton.

Listen, I'm not a doctor. You know, and I said it a million times. Is he healthy? I mean, he's not a doctor. So, you know, there's a lot of different things can happen. But first is, is he healthy? Tell me that, and then we can talk. Tell me that, then we can talk.

Then we can talk. What do you take that to mean? Well, I said this from the beginning. There is zero chance. Cam Noon is back in Carolina this year. As soon as Romer was fired and it was clear they were going in different direction, they have changed everything in the program. They have a new coach, obviously.

They have a new strength coach. They have a new trainer, right? They have new, you know, Tepper is a fairly new owner for the Panthers. They have already, you know, Jeddison and Greg Olson, Luke Teakley was a surprise retirement. They would have kept him, but you're going to see more cuts on this roster. Matt Rule is going to bring in his own guys. They're going to bring in their own quarterback, whether that to be a draft, whether that's a

residential agency. I just can't see Matt Rule being forced to keep Cam. And look, if Cam is healthy, he's still a very good quarterback in the NFL, but how do you time that rule to Cam? And what if Cam gets hurt in the middle of season? Now you've wasted Matt Rule's first season and you don't have a quarterback for the future. It feels very much like this is the year today. We're off from Cam.

Cam, Cam will find a spot if he's healthy. But this makes total sense, and I never thought, can we back this year, healthy or not. And I think Tepper's comment, or really no comment, is kind of more evidence that that's going to happen. Why not just say, you know,

we're making a lot of changes here. We'll see, why not, you know, I guess maybe what's the win in saying that hurts his trade value? Yeah, you might as well just wait. I mean, there's no harm in waiting, but I think we'll see when Frangency approaches, obviously if they release Cam before Fradency, we'll know more. But maybe Matt Ruhl looks around and he says, look, I want to get this quarterback, but can we afford them?

You know, Cam's still relatively cheap. I think 20 million for the service. If he's healthy, maybe he truly is healthy now and then they want to keep him. I think ideally they would rather move on. Jeff Schwartz joining us. I saw this from Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin three days ago said, you know, he was talking about. I'm talking to people Miami, and the Tom Brady to Dallas think it happened, and then all of a sudden he does a complete 180 and says it'd be crazy to replace

Dak Prescott with Tom Brady. Let's start with Tom Brady. Tell me where outside of New England it actually makes sense. Well, I mean, it would make sense like a place like Nashville and for the Titans. You have a good defense and have a really good coaching staff and have good players and a good general manager and have room to build around Tom Brady. I think that makes sense. Look, for me...

Do you think Tom Brady goes to Nashville, though? Well, it feels like this for me, that like Payne Manning, when he decided to change teams or when he was forced to because the Colts cut him, he's going somewhere to win, right? At age 43, Tom Brady's not going to the Raiders just to play in Vegas and make money in a city that doesn't... A state doesn't have tax, right?

He has money. He's not going somewhere to break the bank. He's going somewhere to win, and so if you look at the teams and have a chance to win, And so the tightens, I think, in that division, would have a chance to it. I don't think you could go there, but that, to me, is more realistic than the Cowboys, in my opinion, who have an offensive with McCarthy that's not really built for Tom. If Josh McDaniels went to Dallas, I would 100% by the Tom Brady was going there.

I just can't see that happening because of the reason I just said. I just don't see him doing that, making that jump. You know, if you're looking for teams that win, the Colts are maybe possibly a team. I don't really seem to go an indie, but. He's not going to Payton Manning's team. He's not going to pay... Yeah, that's fair, too, but it's about winning. So if he goes to Dallas,

if he's going to win, that defense is not good enough to win now. He's got about two years left, two or three years. That's why I think he stays in New England. But I don't think he's going to Dallas for a money grab. No, I'm with you as far as winning and branding. I actually think the Vegas thing makes a ton of sense because lots of guys go to Vegas for one last kind of paycheck. I don't think they're all that...

You know, they're crazy, terribly far off, and they have shown the wherewithal to go out and get players. I just, I don't know how he fits with Gruden's system. I just, you know, this is what I liken it to on my show. It's try to learn a foreign language in your 30s or 40s. Right. That's what he would be doing because he's played in one language. I don't think it's one pure system, but as you know, most people in sports know, like, all right, this defense, what do we call it? We call it Chicago.

Now, we call that Detroit. Okay. So Detroit is Chicago now? I'm so confused. You start calling things one thing, and now we've got to completely change the verbiage for. You're not going to change it. The quarterback's going to have to change it. And we've done one thing one way for 20 years.

Like, really going to go, that doesn't seem to be something that works. Also, at his age, too, along the same lines, like, you know, his trainer right now has full access to, you know, to the facility. And that could be the case. It will obviously be Vegas, but does he want to go to the facility? a new routine, have new trainers. All this stuff is new. Well, right now, to your point, he knows everybody. He knows the routine.

The guys do stuff for him in the locker, right? They have their routines down. I don't think he, at his age, he wants a new routine just to make more money. Right. It's a great point. And, like, remember, he skipped out in OTAs last year. You can do that on a team you've been with for 20 years. You can't go to a new team and go like, hey, we'll take a couple weeks off here.

Like, yeah, kind of. We don't really, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. We can't do that. Jeff Schwartz joining us. What about Philip Rivers? He says two years left.

Do you think he has two years left? I think he'll be in the broadcast booth before he plays football again. I just, if we're looking at the way quarterback the position is going right now, I cannot see a team investing in a quarterback that can't move. Can't move. Whose arm is not exactly. You said Tampa? No, I said can't move.

I agree with you. Okay, yeah, can't move. and, you know, just can't, just his arm is deteriorating. He can still throw the ball, but we've seen over the years his arm strength gear a little bit less. I just can't see me. You know, people mention the Colts. Why? Tampa Bay is not a good fit either because Bruce Aaron's likes big-armed quarterbacks, it's not Rivers anymore.

I just can't imagine a team unless they're super desperate to have an injury or two. Maybe so maybe this is a signing in August when someone gets hurt, unfortunately, or maybe September you bring in Rivers. I just can't see a team investing two or three. years in a quarterback that can't move anymore. Look around the NFL. All the best quarterbacks have an ability to move and escape the pocket and make plays with their legs. And I just can't imagine a team sign up for three years of immobile Philip Rivers. No, he was a bad athlete. He's never played another sport. Like, you know, most of these guys play hoop or baseball, whatever. He's never played another sport. He's not a good athlete.

Then he tears his ACL. Now he's in his late 30s. Like, he's the worst athlete. in the sport. And we've gotten to a place where you don't have to be Lamar Jackson, but you've got to be able to move a little bit. He can't even operate in the screen game because he's so bad athletically. Correct. No, it's all true. Your point, right.

You don't have to be Lamar Jackson, but you've got to be Pam Holmes, Russell Wilson. I mean, have some movement. You think that like Big Ben moves decently well in the pocket for a guy his side. I mean, Tom Brady is not half bad in the pocket as well. And I think that Rivers doesn't even move in the pocket well. I mean, he's just old. And so I think he'll be great if he gets an opportunity to broadcast somewhere.

That, to me, is the better option. Just get into broadcast. You've got a great career. Just be a charger for life. I know you're in Florida now. And just get ready for your post career. Okay, so let me ask you about DAC. What's the magic number?

So I don't know what it is. and I wrote this yesterday for SB Nation. It feels very much like getting into a cousin's redskinned standoff where the Cowboys have a number. They offer them $33 million this off season. He said no. Dak has a number. That has the amount of years.

Both teams aren't moving off their spots. You both feel they have the leverage. And the franchise tag is going to be applied. And look, the franchise tag, while a lot of money, I think for quarterback, it's just not ideal for both parties, right? As a quarterback, you know, you'll get millions and millions of dollars of guaranteed money over multiple years. So you're set for life. And even though a franchise tag is $30 million, you're still set for life.

But you're guaranteed, you know, $100 million and you know you'll be for at least five more years. On the team side, you want to get a long-term contract done because they can set your cap up. You know what you need to get, you know, to surround your quarterback with, and you have a peace of mind for five to seven years. And so the franchise tag, I think for that position alone is something that, you know, no one really wants to use, and I think we're going there because Dak has dug in, and he's waiting for the Holmes deal probably, which jumped up in do with his deal, is waiting for a possible new CBA

that might be ratified in March. I doubt it, but that will change the idea what his worth will be because we'll have more money, hopefully on the player's side, and they're at an impact. Here's the thing. How good is he, though? Right? Because the argument for Dak was like, the argument for Dak was like, well, you know, you might not be great, but they win. Okay, this year, the Redskins were an abject disaster. The Giants were an abject disaster.

The Eagles literally had practiced squad guys, and they still couldn't win the division. Yeah. Okay. That argument goes out the window when that's the result. And when he didn't have Amari, they had no offense. When they didn't have two years ago, and when they didn't have Zeke, they had no offense three years ago. Like, what are we doing here? And when their left tackled out, they also doesn't finish.

It's a valid point, but I think you're stuck as an NFL team, right? Because if you're Dallas, right, you have obviously a talent offense aligned, you have Z. You have, let's say, you sign America in the back, you have young tight ends. You have, you have, you have on defense. You just didn't play well last year. You hope that the coaching chance helps with that. So you're close, and then if you get rid of DACDA, what do you do?

Do you go in the draft? Do you try to sign a lot of Tannenhill for cheaper? What do you do? You're kind of, this problem with all these teams, like the Rams, And it was going through, you have to hope, like the Niners did. You know, you pay Jimmy G. And you hope you get to Super Bowl. The last seven minutes of the game, he makes the two throws he needs to make him with the Super Bowl.

That's the hope, I think, for Dak Prescott is everything else kind of works around you, your schedule breaks for you, and you get to Super Bowl, the last five minutes of game, he needs the two throws he has to make. And Pam Holmes did it. Jimmy G didn't do it. That's why I'm not doing the Super Bowl, among many reasons. and you have to pay in that hope. Otherwise, you're stuck.

What do you do for Dallas? You're too low in the draft to get Justin Herbert. Jordan Love, in my opinion, is not the guy Jake Fromm. He said those guys, you're not taking the first round fire on those guys. So what do you do if you're the Cowboys? You're kind of stuck. Jeff Schwartz, this is the kind of stuff that you get in the Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you podcast. You kind of stuck.

It is. That's what you get. You're stuck. Yes. The Cowboys, what are nothing to do? I don't know there's nothing to do. We do have the tendency to, to do what we've always done, right?

The Brady thing doesn't seem to be one that would work. Neither would be, neither would get in Phillip Rivers, but, you know, Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Marriota. Are those better than Dak Prescott, though? I don't know. But I will tell you, I will tell you something. They won't cost you, they won't cost you, they won't cost you $40 million. Yeah, I would not pay that $40 million.

I wouldn't pay him $35 million. I don't know his franchise them. They offer 33 already, so they obviously feel comfortable in some after. Well, there's also a value to having cost certainty with a quarterback, right? That's what his value is. He's solid. He's consistent. He doesn't get hurt.

He's cost certain. But it's like Draymond Green. Like, he can't do it on his own. He just, he can't. But there's only five quarterbacks in NFL could do it on their own, though. I mean, I think that's the thing we have to realize about the NFL. Right. So those guys should make $35 million.

Everybody else should make in the $20 million. Well, ideally. It doesn't work that way for the NFL. Maybe it should. Maybe it should. Great stuff. Thanks so much, Jeff. All right.

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