Best of The Herd for Jan 13, 2020
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01:03Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.What's up, guys?This is Clivert Taylor the Fourth.And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff.Like being an internet famous referee.We're in the middle of a game.This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me.He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.
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01:48What's up, fam?It's Isaiah Thomas.And I'm C.J. Toledano.It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs.We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season.And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.If we didn't talk ever again, I was harmed.you just understood.
02:03That's how personal it got.Wow.Then after that game seven,Mark keep coming to her.He's like, you know, I love you, dog.You know, it's all love.This was just playoffs.This was just basketball.
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02:32by searching herd.This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.Oh, we are packed.It is a Monday.We are live in L.A.This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening.We are live on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1.What a crazy weekend we had this weekend.
03:00And coming up in one hour where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both.Joy Taylor, we're ready to go.It feels like tonight will be, we're built to this crescendo to tonight.And by the end of tonight, we'll have had the best three days of football of the year.Definitely.I'm very excited for tonight.I have some thoughts on how I think it's going to go.But I'm excited either way.
03:27Let's start with Kansas City falling behind 24-0 and then coming back to beat Houston.Now, I've been saying this multiple times over the last several weeks.I like Lamar Jackson, but if you're asking me who I want to be my quarterback over the next decade,it's Patrick Mahomes.Here was the interesting thing in that game before we go to tape.Here was the interesting thing.Unless you're from Kansas City and a die-hard chiefs fan, take them out of it.But for guys like me and people like you,
03:57you, even when Kansas City was down 24-0,you were saying what I was saying.Just get a play, get a break, get a fumble, big kickoff.Just, just, they're fine, they're fine, they're down 24-0-0.They're fine.They're at home.They just need.Did you watch Patrick Mahalms on the sideline?
04:16There was no panic.Andy Reid's play calling.There was no panic.You watched the sideline.There was no panic.They were down 24-0-0.Just say that out loud.Playoff game, down 24-0-0.
04:27And Mahomes is like, just make a play.Let's just get it going.There's no panic.Nobody's freaking out.Andy's not freaking out.Here we go.And then they got the big kickoff.And then it's like, we all thought the same thing, unless you're a Chiefs fan.
04:39All right.Here we go.Let's go.Let's get.But when Baltimore trailed 216 in the second half at home, you could even see it a little bit with the Ravens coaching staff.There was a little apprehension.The play calling at one.point I thought was weird in the first half. Just do what you do. And that is because Mahomes is not
05:06somebody will ever, ever figure out. And barring an injury, he's going to be Peyton Manning,or he's going to be Brady, or he's going to be Farve. You don't figure out the best pure passer infootball. Nobody figured out Elway. Nobody figured out Marino. He didn't win a bunch of Super Bowls,but he was great until the very end.Lamar is different.He is unique.You have to build an offense that is run first, heavy tight end, get him a legitimate back.And that's not an offense.
05:44In fact, they went and got Greg Roman, who is a unique coordinator for their unique talent.Now, I'm not bailing on Lamar.He's going to win a bunch of games.but this is the reason I would choose Mahomes over Lamar.Not because of the weekend.Because if you look at Kansas City, they're a pass-first team.They're built to win from deficits.And if you play for 15 years in this league, some years, you have terrible defenses.
06:13Remember when Tim Tebow was winning games.Everybody's like on Tebow, and I'm like, you guys do get that if you quarterback for 10 years,you're not going to get a defense like that Denver defense and Matt Prater kicking 60-yard field.goals. You can win with Mark Sanchez in a great running game. You can win a lot of ways,but you better be able to win trailing 24-0. And there's only about one to two to threequarterbacks at a time in this league, maybe two. Aaron Rogers in his prime, Peyton Manningin his prime, you know, FAR. This is why I think this is the choice for quarterback for the next 15 years.Kansas City is built to win a million ways.
06:54By the way, we've seen them win in snow.We've seen a win with a lead.We just saw them trail 24-0, and you never once, unless you're a Chiefs fan, you weren't freaking out.The play calling didn't change.The players didn't change.The game didn't play change.And the minute they got to kick off, you're like, okay, all right.They switched field position.
07:13Here we go.Two plays later score.Kansas City scored seven touchdowns.No drive was longer than three minutes and 55 seconds.it's different and it's the kind of offense I think that will last forever.I don't think in the offseason, coordinators are saying, hey, we're going to figure this Mahomes guy out.I do think they're coordinators that look at Lamar and say, okay, let's get super athletic linebackers.At the point of attack, you have to get on it.
07:42Let's crowd the box.Let's make him throw over the top.I do think there are riddles to Baltimore that you can solve.not every week, not every half, not every drive, not every game.But when I watched Kansas City coming back from 24-0,I thought it was not just the most important Kansas City win.It was an essential win for Patrick Mahomes to prove,I'm the guy for the next 15 years.
08:11Because none of us felt different, 24-0.I think all of us, even in the first half down by a couple touchdowns,with Lamar. I felt like, ooh, they're kind of solving a little bit for the moment in this littletime capsule for two hours in Baltimore. They're kind of solving. I don't feel like anybodyever solves Mahomes. And if you asked every GM in this league, privately, every stinking one ofthem, if they would trade their quarterback for Patrick Mahomes today, all of them would say yes.Oh, my bad, except Chicago. They're all in on Trubisky. Wink, wink.they'd all trade their quarterback for Patrick Mahomes.
08:54Many would trade for Lamar.But there'd be some that say, can we have Greg Roman too?Can we get those tight ends too?I thought it was an essential game to really plant the flag.This is the guy more than any.And you know I love me some Russell Wilson.You know I love me some Tom Brady.This is the guy for the next 15 years,
09:17barring any, you know, really bad injure.Here's Patrick after.Obviously, we didn't want to be in that spot, but the biggest thing that I think I was preaching to the team was let's go do something special.Let's go do something special.Everybody's already counting us out.Let's just go play by play and just put our best effort out there.We don't care if we're down 24 if we're up 24.We're going to put our best effort every single play.
09:39I think that's just the mentality of this team.All right.So let's move to Green Bay's win over Seattle.Now, let me just say this.I've not been a big Packers fan.I acknowledge they won their division.I acknowledge their seating, and I will acknowledge they won the game.But you can get to a conference championship without being great.
09:59Blake Bortles got there in Jacksonville.Mark Sanchez got there with the Jets.A lousy Colts team got there with Andrew Luck,and the Vikings got there with Case Keenum.No, we know Aaron Rogers is not Case Keenom.We know he's not Blake Bortles.But you can get to a conference championship in this league.if you win a division where two teams implode Chicago and Detroit,
10:22when you're easily the best quarterback or healthiest quarterback in a division,the NFC North,when you get a home field by, check,and then you play an injury-ravaged team off another road game, Seattle.I don't think Green Bay is great.I think they got things to work in their favor.I think Matt Stafford gets hurt.Trubisky gets exposed.
10:51Kirk Cousins is Kirk Cousins.What do they have?Three first downs until the fourth quarter of this weekend.And I think they beat up a ravaged Seattle team.And if not, for Aaron Rogers making two great throws on a third and eight and a thirdand nine, I think Seattle wins.That first one to Geronimo Allen, if that puppy hits the dirt first and it was close,you saw Aaron Rogers point to the sky on that.
11:12Seattle's getting the ball back.Green Bay's defense is exhausted.and Russell Wilson's Red Hot,and we have a different show today.I don't love Green Bay.I don't think they're as physical as Tennessee.I don't think they're as explosive as Kansas City.And I don't think they have the players
11:29and the depth of the 49ers.You know who they remind me of?The Wisconsin Badgers.I respect the hell out of them.It's a good football operation.I always trust the executives upstairs.The coach appears good enough.But when you watch Wisconsin against Ohio State,
11:46They don't look the same.They don't look like Clemson.They don't look like LSU.They don't look like Ohio State.They don't look like Alabama.But they're good.And they win like 10 games a year.And I respect the hell out of them.
12:00And I respect Green Bay.But they don't look like Kansas City.I mean, if you take Devonte Adams away,who does Aaron like to throw to?Because Patrick Mahomes likes to throw to four different guysthen his tight end.They don't look like San Francisco up front.D. Ford,
12:16healthy and Kwan Alexander, hard pass, don't want to face them.I think Aaron Rogers, he's a smart guy.That's why you give him any shot, just their quarterback.And I think even he acknowledges we're 14 and 3.But if you look around what's left, there's a big gap between getting to thatconference championship and beating a San Francisco there and potentially beating a Kansascity in Miami.Here's Aaron.
12:46To walk off the field, being a two-seed, where, I mean, let's be honest, I don't know that even our fans felt supremely confident in us, which I know that a lot of the media didn't as well.But to be able to walk off that field again, victorious, there's no feeling like it.Nobody's disputing them won a division and they're in the conference championship.but I think even Aaron acknowledges there's questions,and the only reason, the only reason I gave Seattle a chance to beat Green Bay was Russell Wilson,which I didn't think would be good enough,and the only reason I give Green Bay a chance against San Francisco is Aaron Rogers,and that doesn't feel like enough.
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15:31Search Learn the Hardway and listen now.What's up, guys?This is Clever Taylor the Fourth.And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show,I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff.Like being an internet famous referee.We're in the middle of a game.This linebacker walks up to me, he goes,
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16:09Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.And I'm CJ Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.And finding ways to win no matter what.He's the smartest player to ever play the game.His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves,
16:32I got to manipulate the game.We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.I think Joker's going to be exhaust.at this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guyslike Nas Reid.He has to guard Julius Randall.And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.
16:56Steve Nass would get that thing.That man, hell get to fly.He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the bar.Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah.You figure it out real quick.Oh, yeah.Get your ass up and down.the court and you're going to get the ball.
17:11So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radioapp, Apple Podcasts, or wherever youget your podcasts. I think the reason thisshow continues to do wellas we'reloyal to honesty. I'm not in the credit business.That's MasterCard and Visa. I'm in the honestybusiness. I don't protect
17:27players. I think I'm tough onguys, especially quarterbacks.But there are a lot of people in the media.They're constantly, they think they're doingathletes a favor and they're pandering. It's myleast favorite quality. Stop pandering.stop coddling. These are millionaires.Lamar Jackson didn't play well.
17:44He deserves to get ripped.We ripped Peyton Manning when he would be an MVPand not look the same in the playoffs.Stop patronizing Lamar Jackson.He doesn't need your sympathy.He doesn't need your pandering.He's a rock star.He's going to win MVP.
17:58He's going to be worth $50 million to $100 million.He's fun to watch.He's going to keep winning games.But he had two picks of fumble and wasn't good in situational football.And he's the MVP.He doesn't, that last two times I've watched him in a playoff game,he hasn't looked the same as in the regular season.He's a baby.
18:17He'll get better.But the criticism's fair.God, the media has been on this whole thing with Lamar.First of all, he gets drafted in the first round, and the media is like,this is outrageous.Fire the GMs.Why?He got drafted in the first round.
18:31Roger Stobach got drafted in the 10th.United States 9th, Brady 6.It's a hard position to evaluate.Then there's this thing this weekend.didn't lose the game. He had 350 yards. He didn't play well, folks. Most of his yards weredac yards. They were garbage yards. Put it on the screen. First three quarters, his quarterback,his passer rating was 47. He had three turnovers. He didn't throw for a touchdown. In thefourth quarter, what do you know? Tennessee's punt in the ball, prevent defense. He racked him up.
19:00So at the end, you can run over to your stats and say, look, look, look, he played well. He didn't.He was all for four on fourth down. He looked round. He looked round.He threw two picks, one not his fault.Sorry, there's still picks.He had a fumble.And he's not really ideally, like Mahomes,he's not ideally built to come from way back.Their offense, frankly, is not really, this is not all in Lamar.
19:25Their offense is not really ideally built to play from deficits,which is why I think Lamar will go to the laboratory this offseason.And just like he did from year one to year two,Lamar's going to get a little better at the passing and a little morecomfortable and it took Russell Wilson three years and it takes most young quarterback.Do you see Josh Allen's playoff game?He freaked out.You ever seen Sam Darnold who I love?
19:49Sometimes he freaks out.Jared Gough, these are kids, they're babies.But stop the codling.It didn't play well.It happens.He's a kid.And all the questions why he dropped in the first round are legitimate.He never completed 60% of his throws.
20:08He ran for a ton of.yards and people thought he kind of plays likeRG3. They kind of have the same build and RG3was a bust. So people were a littleapprehensive and Baltimore said we're not going to take himwith our first pick. We're going to take him with our secondpick and then all of a sudden by week 11they're like Joe Flacco stinks he's old tired
20:23and expensive, we're done. Let's try this thing. And itworked kind of and they sure it worked a lot.But it's okayto criticize him.And it's okay that he was thelast or next to last pick in the first round.Stop pandering. Stop protectinghim. He doesn't need our sympathy.
20:38He's going to win a bunch of games.Baltimore won 12 straight.They're not going anywhere.Baltimore's not going anywhere.And this young man has shown the ability to improve.Now, I've said before.If you're asking me 12 years, I not only like Mahomes better than Lamar, I likeKyler Murray more.
20:57I think Kyler Murray is the best player in the league that nobody watches because heplayed in Arizona.I think Kyler Murray's a pass first run second guy.And I do think I like my quarterbacks preferably to be that.but the constant protecting, don't criticize him.He didn't play well.He's an MVP and he hasn't looked as good in the postseason.We ravaged Peyton Manning.
21:19It's part of the game.You can't get all the love and be called the best thing ever and then go into the playoffsand not be able to play as well from behind and not play well in big spots.Playoff games aren't won by yards.Playoff games are won by fourth down turnovers, don't make any situational football.And he wasn't great at that.it's okay. He will be over and over again over the next 10 years. Be sure to catch liveeditions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. I want to talk about the 49ers.
21:48So we have four teams left. None of them look like San Francisco. There is not a box.Folks, they don't check. The size box, the speed box, the kick your arse box, the intimidationbox, the O line box, the left tackle, the right tackle box. They check them all. Andthis is a team that humiliates the Packers.This is a team, ask Baker-Mayfield, ask Aaron Rogers.Ask Kirk Cousins in Minnesota.They humiliate you.The way to beat San Francisco to me is Russell Wilson,
22:24is Kyler Murray as Lamar Jackson, off script.Where you can't, even their great defenses,you got, this is the way to beat Alabama for years,a quarterback that can do stuff off the script.If a quarterback is going to be six steps behind the center and they know it, good luck.They are loaded defensively.D. Ford, Quaun Alexander, maybe the most athletic linebacker in the league.DeForest Bruckner, Armstead, Nick Bosa.
22:51It is filthy.And the 85 bears were never a dynasty.But 30 years later, we look at those bears and we're like,in a one gamer, even the Niners with Montana, no Patriot team.maybe beats the 85 Bears.Now, San Francisco obviously has to win the conference championship,but they look a lot like the bears on that defense.Now, obviously, they're giving up four more yards than the Bears did
23:17because quarterback play is much better.The best athletes now in the world are playing quarterback.Everybody gives up yards.Everybody gives up points.The league is so much better now at quarterbackand so much more sophisticated than it was back in 1985.Where everybody's a pocket quarterback, everybody's sitting there,not very elusive, here comes all the bears and knock him over.
23:34but here's the thing to remember about the 49ers.There has been three seasons for the Niners.This is not one season.The first season, they were 8 and O,and they were knocking people out in the first round.Then eight of their best players got hurt.Both tackles missed games.Their fullback of Pro Bowl are missed games.
23:56Kwan Alexander is out.Emmanuel Sanders got hurt.George Kittle got hurt.The whole team got hurt.and essential parts to their team not named Jimmy Garoppolo got hurt.Then they were vulnerable.That's stage two.Now we're in stage three.
24:14Odd boys are healthy again.You don't want any part of them.You don't want any part of San Francisco.They look different.Like Kansas City's offense is like San Francisco's team.Let's double kittle.Can't Debo, Manuel Sanders.All right, they're a pass team.
24:34No, not really.They're coaches Shanahan.They're a power run team.Their running backs can catch.Their fullback was actually a great tight end in college.Their receivers are big.No, wait, they're Emmanuel Sanders.They're veterans.
24:46They're young.Kittles a superstar.Folks, this is what, I'm not saying this is a dynasty,but I'm saying they check all the boxes.And I heard this.Well, I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo.I mean, come on, he what?They don't need Jimmy Garapolo.
25:03to be a stat freak.The Giants didn't need Phil Sims to be a stat freak.By the way, Montana's numbers were good.But if you go back and look at Joe Montana's numbers,they were not beholden just to Joe Montana.He left.Steve Young won.This team, when they're healthy,
25:23has got so many elements of an 85 bears look to themwhere they just knock you out.They just, you are humiliated.I love what I see.And by the way, most of the teams that are left, we're defining them.You know, most great teams we define quarterback, wide receiver, running back.You can argue Green Bay has the best quarterback, the best single receiver, and the better running back than San Francisco.You can argue.
25:51But San Francisco is also good at those positions and better everywhere else.D-line, O-line, linebacker, secondary.tight end.I think this San Francisco team does not look like the rest of the teams.I don't think they look like it.I think it's not that complicated in football.Watch the game.Watch the velocity.
26:17Watch the hitting.Watch the power.I mean, it's not like, it is not like San Francisco was stopping the run against Minnesota.They were pushing San Francisco back for three and a half hours.It did not look like the other games.One more herd.The herd streams 24 hours a day,seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.
26:39Search Hurd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.Colin right, Colin wrong.I'm plenty of both.Let's fire away.Where Colin was right?For both Seattle playoff games,Russell Wilson was Seattle's leading rusher.I'm not saying he's the best quarterback in the NFL.
26:55I'm saying he's the best football player in the National Football League.The idea that this guy goes on the road to Philadelphia,in Green Bay, and he comes to within basically a third and eight that Green Bay completed of winningthis football game.They're missing two offensive linemen.They're on their third string center.They don't have their three best running backs.I mean, it's incredible.
27:17The only reason that game's even competitive yesterday, and I did not like Seattle's play callingin the first half at all.Stop pretending you're going to walk into Green Bay and run for 200 yards.Marshawn Lynch was on the beach three weeks ago.Go. Give the ball to Russell and pass your way to magic.This guy is absolutely unbelievable.And again, I'm not saying he's the best quarterback in the league,although I think you can make an argument.
27:44But as a football player, he's unbelievable.That game should never have been close.And I'll say this.If Seattle had two of their three best running backs,I would have taken them to win that game outright.Once again, they win with virtually, almost win with virtually no running game.where Colin was wrong.Listen, I called the Kansas City Chiefs a windbreaker team about two months ago.
28:06I said they're not built for December and January.I think they laugh physical toughness.They don't run the football enough.They won't be able to eat the clock.And the playoffs are about physicality.But you know what?They showed a ton of resolve.Their defense now has looked more physical than it has in weeks.
28:21I thought it was a really special moment to overcome that deficit.Obviously, we know that.But I also think it needed to be seen by everybody that doesn't live in Kansas City.This is a tough team.It's a team with character.It's a team with resolve.And frankly, they have, those are the elements I worried about.They're a little fancy.
28:41They're fast.You know, they got all the fun.Windbreaker guys out there.But what happens when it's cold?You fall behind.You got a punch a team in the neck.And I thought Kansas City right now deserves exactly where they are.They got tougher.
28:56Their defense got better.they look like a team that can plan all the elements. I was wrong.Where Colin was right.Been a Jimmy Garoppolo guy since he was a backup in New England. I said it for years.Go get him. He's got an it factor.And I know, I know, I know, Colin, they didn't even use him this weekend.Tom Brady's second playoff game he went 12 or 18. They didn't need to use him.This is not a guy that's going to pout if he doesn't get 34 throws.
29:22His career will never be defined by stats because Kyle Shams.Shanahan from his father, Mike Shanahan, is a power football coach.He's going to run the hell out of this team for the next 10 years.They're going to draft running backs and offensive linemen.He's not going to win MVP's and he's not going to be a stat guy.But he is an it guy.He is a guy that when people are saying yesterday, well, what did he do?He won the toughest division in football.
29:50The Rams and McVeigh and that Aaron Donald and the Seahawks and Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll.He won a division.He won in New Orleans.He had a chance to beat Lamar in Baltimore.And during the season, when this team fell apart physically, both tackles were out, the fullback was out, Kittle was out.He kept him floating.Remember, they had to ask him about three times this year during the injuries.Dude, save us.
30:17The defense is all hurt.And all three times he did, he's the real deal.Where Colin was wrong.I made my biggest bet ever and took Clemson over.Ohio State and I rolled it into Baltimore and I don't know what the heck happened, but that's thestrangest football game I've ever seen. Can somebody explain Tennessee? Tennessee is now beatenBrady in New England and Lamar and Baltimore and has completed a total of 15 completionsin both games. I don't know what I'm watching. It's incredible. Listen, there's surprises all the time
30:52in football. I don't even know how to explain Tennessee. Tana Hills throwing for 70 yards,and they're going to Foxborough and winning, and going to Baltimore and winning? It's like1974 football. And I guess this is why the NFL's king. In the NBA, you'd be like, well,we've got six more games left in the seven game series. In the NFL, if you have a bad half,you have a bad half, you're in big trouble, especially if you're Baltimore and you're kind of builtto play with a lead, not play from behind.I was way wrong.Where Colin was right.
31:24Said it before the season started.I said, I love what Green Bay is doing with their defense.Nobody's going to talk about Preston Smith or Zadarius Smith in Free Agency.But they're excellent players, especially Preston Smith.And yesterday they both had two sacks.Two things never win Super Bowls in the NFL.Crazy owners and bad defenses.You can have flaws.
31:45You can have all sorts of flaws in the NFL.You can't have a bad defense.In Green Bay for most of the last seven, eight years has been Swiss cheese back there.It's been paper thin.They went out and they got free agents, but mid-level free agents,and they got athletic linebackers in a very talented NFC.And what do you know?Those linebackers were essential.
32:06Now, if Aaron Rogers doesn't win a Super Bowl next couple of years,it's on Aaron because he now has a real running game and a real defense.It's not San Francisco's defense.I'm not saying that.but it's a big boy defense with playmakers at linebacker.Where Colin was wrong.When Joe Judge got hired by the Giants, I thought it was an absolutely disastrous move.But you know what?
32:30After reading every article on Joe Judge, I think I was a little too hot on it.I don't know if he's going to succeed.But Sabin and Belichick both came out with strong endorsements.He's had three or four press conferences, one the big one he hit a home run,and the other things he's saying sound great.And by the way, Josh McDaniels, who I thought should get this job,the more I read over the last four days about Josh McDaniels,they made a good choice not at least going with Josh McDaniels.
33:02Let's wait and see on Joe Judge.I called it a terrible hire.I think I'm too hot on it.I like what I've seen.I like the coordinator and the coaching moves he's made,and he's been fantastic so far in front of the mic.Where Colin was right.Not a fan of Bill O'Brien.
33:18I don't think he's a terrible coach.But if you ever notice with the Houston Texans,and this is why I don't trust him,and I thought Kansas City was going to roll.Even when they're winning, it doesn't look smooth.It's clunky.It's not well-oiled.It feels like they're making it up as they go.
33:36I did not love the fake punt call,although I'm not going to crush coaches on fakes that don't go.I mean, we want our coaches to take risks.You take risks.I didn't love the not going for it on fourth and an inch.I didn't love that.But again, situationally, I'm not going to bash him.But be honest if you're a Houston Texans fan.
33:58When's the last time you won a game and it was smooth and it looked well oiled and everything was into plays and you like to play calling?Everything looks uneven.Always.And they finally, finally have a good first quarter and then they stink in the entire second half.where Colin was wrong.The Lakers promoted Rob Polinka.He's now number one in that organization,vice president, basketball ops.
34:24I got to be honest.He's an agent that looked like Rob Lowe.I never really bought it.I thought he was out of place.Magic left.I thought it was going to be man overboard.But the Frank Vogel thing's working.The team is second best in the West.
34:37The chemistry is outstanding.They got Danny Green.We're able to convince him to come over.That work.You know, initially they had a salary cap snafu, the magic thing.He had that weird KCP press conference, and I'm like, this doesn't work at all.But I've got to be honest, it kind of is working.It's all kind of working, and he's kind of working.
35:01Listen, you know, he's an agent.I'm like, well, I mean, who knows?agents deal with stars.The Lakers are full of stars.Jeannie Bus is a star.It's a star-driven organization.But I got to be honest, since Magic left, hadn't been a lot of misses.It's gone pretty well.
35:20They lost both LeBron and AD this weekend and were still up 30 at half.It was OKC, but it's working.Where Colin was right?The Cavaliers are a disaster the minute LeBron leaves again.Okay, their coach had to apologize for language he used against the players.Kevin loves having a personal revolt.And Colin Sexton is bad.He may be a bust at point guard.
35:44Listen, the bottom line in this organization, they have been a grease fire for 30 years.The only time they're not is when LeBron enters and then he exits and then an hour later,they're terrible player revolt.Colin Sexton can't play.The coach doesn't fit.This has always been one of the great qualities of LeBron or any superstar.It's not just about what you do when you leave.What happens to the organization you bail on?
36:16The calves once again are poorly run.Where Colin was right?I never understood why Jimmy Johnson wasn't a Hall of Famer.He's one of the three or four best football coaches of my life.Seriously, Bill Walsh, Belatech, Jimmy Johnson,and not many people above them.I didn't watch Lombardy.And this weekend, Jimmy finally got what he so richly deserved.
36:40It's my great honor to tell you that you're going to be the,328thHall ofFamerinto thePro FootballHall of Fameand your
36:48legacy isgoing to bein Canton,Ohio,forever.Congratulations.Congratulations.Thank you.
36:56Hey, Bob.Oh, my God.That is awesome.Jimmy Johnson,I come in everySunday morning to thisnetwork and I doa football show.
37:08And I don't have to.The company doesn'tforce me to.One of the reasons Icome because I sit down with Jimmy Johnson every Sunday morning. He's the first to get here.And I pepper him with a bunch of questions and he gives me a bunch of answers. And I have neverworked with a human being that makes me smarter about football than Jimmy Johnson. What you'reseeing is a beloved figure, a quirky, funny guy who's got the greatest stories, many he can't
37:36share. I have never learned more about football from any human than I've,And I've learned a lot from Howie and a lot from terror, a lot from a lot of people.Dave Wonstadt, Jimmy is, there is no, once you meet Jimmy Johnson and talk to him,you're like, oh, that's why he's one of the greatest coaches ever.I've never learned more football from any human than Jimmy Johnson.Yeah, I was very happy for him.I was crying, watching that yesterday.Yeah, once I saw Troy Akeman cry, I got, you know, into the field a little bit.
38:06No, I mean, Jimmy is very well deserved and very long overdue.I'm very happy for him.He drafted my brother and introduced.my brother into the Hall of Fame also.Yes. By the way, he drafted your brother,and Jimmy's greatest strengthof his many, an eye for personnel.Remember, Zach Thomas?
38:22Yep. He's the finalist this year.Okay, so nobody likes Zach Thomas out of college.Everybody passed in your brother.Jason was on the third round.So he's one of the great,and I've asked Jimmy a million times,what do you look for? What do you look for?His answers are fascinating.
38:35Be sure to catch live editions of the herdweekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m.Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,F.S1 and the I-Hard Radio app.He was the number one pick, Super Bowl champ,decade and a half in the NFL, and a four-time Pro Bowl,or one of the great arms of all time,and now he's running, of course, one of the great,
38:53I got to tell you, we're going to go live to him.Drew Bledsoe, via the Coward Global Satellite Network,brought to you by him. Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing.Yes, yes, he owns a winery.It's called Doubleback.That's the greatest single shot I've ever seen on this show,so congrats for the free marketing.You're a smart man.
39:10How you doing?I'm doing great, Colin, man.Thanks for having me on.You bet quarterback play yesterday as a former pro bowler.What did you make of the weekends quarterback play?I think it was the best single day of quarterback play that I've witnessed,at least in recent history.All four guys played at a truly elite level.
39:30You know, there are a couple different kinds to me of greatness and exceptionality.You know, there's one, you know, you equate it to basketball.You know, the guy that makes the free throw to win.win the game at the end, you know, that's a big deal, but you're supposed to make your freethrows, right? You know, it's doing the ordinary thing in extraordinary circumstances. And sowhen you have a quarterback that's worker from the pocket, doesn't get hit, throws to open guys,even in big moments, those are glorified. That's one kind of greatness. What we saw yesterday,though, was truly exceptional talent and ability by all four guys. It was really amazing to watch.
40:05Yeah. Patrick Mahomes, I mean, there is a little far, I mean, you were a guy that could spin it.There's a lot of different elements to him.He's about as good a passer.He has some Marino stuff, right?You know, he's really unique.And the thing that's interesting is that the two guys that, you know,as quarterbacks that we all sort of bow down to,we're both playing yesterday.
40:31One's Patrick Mahomes and the other one is Aaron Rogers.Now, Aaron, you know, he's been beat up a little bit and all this.But let me just give you a little equation.if I could. You know, I'm not great at math. I'm not, I'm sure you're not super great at math.Maybe you are, but you can always ask Joyce. She could probably explain it to you, but,but if you think about what you would have to do to do the math to make that big throwthat Aaron made on third down yesterday to Jimmy Graham, you know, Jimmy's running away from himat sort of an obscure angle. He's got to throw the ball up and down over the top of a linebacker,
41:06and he's got to do that math. And the whole time while he's doing that and throwing the ballremarkably accurately. He's slidingto his left away from pressure.Doesn't even have his feet set.And yet he's still able to makethis incredibly accurate throwwith the right touch, the rightvelocity, the right arc, all of those
41:24things. It's just amazing, man.When you watch what some of theseguys are able to dowhen they're offbalance and still able to throwreally accurately, it's just impressive.Listen, we both love Russell Wilson.Let me be critical of Pete Carroll, who's going to be a Hall of Fame
41:39coach. They just won't put their arms around him. They're trying to run the football early.And I'm like, Pete, just give it to Russell. You got a guy on Marshaun Lynch is, you know, he'son the beach three weeks ago. I didn't love Seattle's game plan instead of just embracing Russell.Any thoughts on that? Well, first, let me say this about Russell Wilson.You know, I think we all know Lamar is probably going to get the MVP this year. But if you're reallytalking about most valuableplayer, there is no questionwho that is. It's Russell Wilson.
42:15You're watching that game yesterday.If most any other quarterback, his quarterbackin the Seahawks yesterday, I'm not sure they scorea point. You know, I'm really not, theyget very few first downs. You know, he's able tocreate on the move.It was interesting. I was actually thinkinglast night because I know your two favorite quarterbacks
42:33right now and you don't play favorites,but you love Russ and you love Tommy.Yeah, yeah, yeah.So let me ask you questions.So when are you most comfortable cheering for Tom Brady?It's when he's in the pocket and things are on schedule, right?Yeah, just operating.Yeah.
42:49When are you most comfortable watching Russ?When he's moving, always.Oh, my goodness.You know, if you're cheering for the Seahawks, you want him on the move because nothing bad happens.It's always something good when he's on the move.He throws the ball remarkably accurately and then he can pull it down and run for a first down.When he starts moving, you just know something good is going to happen for the Seahawks.I love this view right here.
43:08There's really nobody open and he throws them open.Okay, so you were texting me during this game.I see this 5-4-1 area code, and I'm like, Oregon.Who is, well, that's Bledsoe.So I don't know Vrabel.He is a man's man.He's got some Jack Del Rio qualities.He's a big dude.
43:26And I'm watching him.And as somebody that's been in the Patriots,explain why you love Vrabel as much as you do.Well, first of all, Vrab's, he owes me.He owes me big time.because the touchdown passes he caught in the Super Bowls,that was because of me.So he was one of these guys.
43:44Vrable has so much energy.Like he would run scout kickoff just for fun during practice, you know,as an old vet.He'd just go run down because he had to burn off energy.Well, before games, he had to burn off energy.And so he would come out early, and I was out early, and I'd throw him balls.And he was running around the field, catching balls.And he was, you know, really good at it.
44:02And Belichick noticed, and next thing you know, the dude's catching touchdowns in the Super Bowl.And he's never sent me like anything for that.So brave, if you're watching, you know, come on, send me something.Hook a brother up.But he was a guy that was just infectious in the locker room.He's a big dude.He's got a big voice.And everybody loved him.
44:22I was only with him for one year, which my wife and I both had to Google that.It seemed like we were together for a lot of years.But became great friends right away.But you can't replace the credibility that he has with those guys.they know that he was a certified badass as a player.And he brings that attitude and you look at him and you can tell just looking at him.He actually wants to get out there and play.And you really can't replace that credibility that he has with those guys.
44:48He's got them all playing great football and it's just exciting to watch.Minute left.The Niners look like the best football team.Does that mean anything to you?I think they are the best football team.You know, hats off to John Lynch for putting together a team.and doing it the right way.You know, they get after the passer.
45:08They run the ball well.They built a team from the inside outrather than going and getting the shiny, you know, ornament.You know, and then Jimmy is doing exactly what he needs to do.He's a great leader for that team.He doesn't make mistakes.And when he's called on to make a big play, he does.Yeah.
45:28So I just, I have a hard time seeing somebody beating the 49ers.You know, really happy to see Green Bay,success. I love Aaron Rogers.But man, that's a tall task going inthere to San Francisco and trying toto take down the Niners. They just look like they're greatin every phase. All right, let's take one moreshot of Drew. It's doublebackedot wine.
45:46Their cab is legendary,highly rated wine spectator. Look atthat. That is justyou can't pay for that kind of marketing,Drew. I appreciate you.I always appreciate you. You're alwayskind. And, you know,maybe I'll even send you a ball of wine.
46:02All you got to do is send me your visa number and I'll send you someAll right.Good talking to you, Drew.All right, thanks, but.Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.Last night, a blown call changed a game.This morning, the internet lost its mind.Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.
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47:59on my new podcast, learn the hard way.Open your free, our heart radio app,Search learn the hard way and listen now.What's up, guys?This is Clever Taylor the 4th.And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show,I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff,like being an internet famous referee.
48:16We're in the middle of a game.This linebacker walks up to me, he goes,Hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.What?Time out.Quarterback on office blue with 42.Hey, ref, my mama want you to wave at her.What?
48:32Hey, Miss Parker.Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app,Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.And finding ways to win no matter what.He's the smartest player to ever play the game.
48:59His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves,I got to manipulate the game.We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.I think Joker's going to be exhausted this seriesbecause when they don't have Rudy in the lineup,he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.He has to guard Julius Randall.
49:20And then he has to give us everything he gives uson the night-to-night basis on offense.And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson,we dive into some playoff history too.Steve Nash would get that thing.That man, hell get the flying.He running up the court, licking his fingers,why he got the ball like,
49:35after you go through a training campwith that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick.Get your ass up and down the court,and you're going to get the ball.So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app,Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.So tonight, LSU, it's essentially a home game,plays Clemson, but it's not really a home game.
49:55Should be noted the two teams in this playoffthat have ever played a home game, both lost.I don't take a ton from that.It's not really.a home game. Clemson's going to have 35,000 people there. The home teams are 0 and 2 when they'vein the playoff had an opportunity. So I think Clemson wins tonight and here are my five reasons.I've given this a ton of thought. Here are my five reasons. Clemson versus LSU. Number one,it's called my Mike Tyson theory. Mike Tyson, only 10 of his first 37 fights went to the fourth round.
50:30The key with Tyson was he threw with such velocity and power, just get to the fourth.round. It was soalarming. So when Clemson, who had aweak schedule, played OhioState, it was the first team they playedin five monthswith 15 NFLguys. And Ohio State like Tyson,
50:49the power of Ohio State put Clemson back on theirheels.End of the first quarter onClemson average sevenand a half yards of play,forced two turnovers, rushed for150 yards, scored 29points and was clearly the better team. It's the Mike Tyson theory. When you've played a
51:09week schedule, the first quarter against the really good team Ohio State, it gets you backon your heels. From the end of the first quarter on, Clemson did whatever they wantedagainst Ohio State's great team. Mike Tyson theory, Clemson, now facing LSU, is not going to beback on their heels. They'll be ready to roll Snap 1.Number two, the better coach quarterback combination.Dabo Sweeney's been in eight of these games and three national title games.Ed Orgeron's been in one.Who's a better quarterback?
51:48Trevor Lawrence is a transformational talent.Joe Burroughs had a great year.Trevor Lawrence, 25 and 0 as a starter.He's accounted for three touchdowns in nine straight games.Joe Burrow did not face a single opponent this year that has acurrent top 10 pass defense.Clemson's number one in the country.Just be honest about it.
52:10Dabo is a better coach, and Trevor Lawrence is a better quarterback.That's a big edge when you've had seven, eight, nine days to wait.Number three, the no respect card.So Clemson's a five and a half point dog.That's funny, they were a five and a half point dog to Alabama last year and won by 28 points.LSU's offense is getting all the love.But Clemsons is higher ranked.LSU's defense.
52:40Oh, my God.Clemsons is higher ranked.All Clemson has done for the last seven days is here how great Ed Orgeron is and how great Joe Burrow is.And how Clemson has no shot to win this game.Did you guys watch Bama and Clemson last year?And Bama last year, I think was better than LSU this year.statistically they were and Clemson beat them by four touchdowns.Clemson hasn't allowed 25 points to anybody all year.
53:10The no respect card.Reason number four.Been here before.37 players on the roster for Clemson have taken a snap in a national championship game.Zero for LSU have.This is the fourth time in five years Clemson's been in this game.I've had guys like Bill Romanoosky on.He said, I played in all sorts of conference championships.
53:35My first Super Bowl, I don't remember the first eight minutes.I don't remember it.This is the biggest game for LSU coaches players by far in their life.Almost a half of Clemson's roster has been in this game more than once.Finally, LSU's defense, I don't think it's great.None of the eight national champions.have ranked as poorly in scoring defense as LSU did this year.None.
54:06Five of the eight last national champions were number one in scoring defense.Clemson's number one in scoring defense.If you look at LSU's defense, I saw Tua on a bad leg tear it apart.I saw Ole Miss tear it apart.They're 27th in points per game, 56 past defense, 40th in sacks, and 84th in Red Zone.I don't trust this defense, and I think LSU brings back every important player off their offense from last year.So Mike Tyson theory, coaching quarterback theory, been here before theory, no respect theory, and LSU's defense,they don't get to the quarterback that much.
54:53Trevor Lawrence is going to have time to throw.So I will take Clemson in a.a shootout.Last night, a blown call changed a game.This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.That's where SportsSlice comes in.I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggestmoments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline.
55:16And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker roomstories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear.Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or whereveryou get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends,me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest,SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs banter.Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.
55:58humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or whereveryou get your podcasts.What's up, guys?This is Clivert Taylor the 4th.And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds ofstuff.Like being an internet famous referee.We're in the middle of a game.
56:15This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.What?Time out.Quarterback on office blue 42.Hey, ref, Mom, I'm a mom.want you to wave at her.What?Where's he at?
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56:50We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season,and I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.If we didn't talk ever again, I was hiring.You just understand.That's how personal it got.Wow.Then after that game seven, Marquis come in to him, he's like, you know I love you, dog.You know, it's all love.
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