The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Jan 16, 2020

Episode Date: January 16, 2020

Colin says he has nothing against the Titans but the Chiefs are exactly what he and the NFL want to see in the Super Bowl. He doesn't understand why people still doubt Jimmy Garoppolo after winning 21 of 26 starts. He says OBJ wants attention but giving money to players is not as big of a deal as people think. Plus, former Rams and Titans Head Coach Jeff Fisher talks about why Andy Reid will have nightmares about Derrick Henry and how the Packers can upset the 49ers in the NFC Championship game. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, here we go. Loaded on a Thursday live in Los Angeles. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, one hour from now, Greg Kosell. We'll break down the NFC championship and the AFC championship as good as it gets, the strengths, the weaknesses. How does Tennessee's running game hurt Kansas City? Does Green Bay have the offensive structure to overcome that awesome defensive line for San Francisco?

Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you today? I'm great. I can't wait for this weekend. It's going to be unbelievable. I want to start with, you know, it was funny this morning. we were talking about Mahomes versus Ryan Tannahill. And Ryan Tannahill is essentially Andy Dalton with a little better mobility.

In his career, he's completed 63 percent. His passer ratings is like 89.90 is touchdown interception ratios, little under 2 to 1, and he's 500 in his career. So the question, of course, who do you want to see in the Super Bowl? The Kansas City Chiefs or Andy Dalton? I think the answer is obvious. It's obvious to Fox. We'd like to see Mahomes in there.

We would. I'm not lying. So would America. So with the NFL. And so would my eyes. Andy Dalton hurts my eyes. Ryan Tannehill, not great for my eyes. I say that as a son of an optometrist. If you really look at what Kansas City is,

Kansas City is what the NFL wants the league to look like. Leagues and commissioners will tell you regularly, without saying it verbally, here's what I want my league to be. They'll change rules. to help stars, to help faster players, to help quarterbacks. That's why leagues change rules. Why did they put the catch rule back in?

Because your best athletes are wide receivers. Why are you taking away catches from OBJ? Give him more great catches. So the league is telling you, we want you to look like Kansas City. We want you to be able to be down 24-0, and it doesn't matter. We want the games to be close. It's why quietly the league is sort of, you know, putting their arms a little bit around the gambling thing because you'll watch longer and the league is now building all of its rules.

You can't hit a wide receiver high. Why? Because that's the best athletes. We want more wide receiver. You can't hit a quarterback low. Why? Because we want the best quarterback's healthy. So you can't hit that position low.

You can't hit that position high. And we don't like to hit neither position often. The Chiefs are the Avengers. Tennessee is an artsy film that purists like. The League wants Kansas City to be the next dynasty or something that looks like Kansas City. Clever schemes, traditional powerhouse, Kansas City, Arrowhead, great fans, fastest show on turf,

get in the Monday night football game against the Rams, and people talk about it. For months, this is what the league is trying to do by changing its rules. speed on the outside, big arm in the pocket, likable, relatable kid who can walk into, and this is something else, that the NFL likes college concepts coming to the NFL.

Why? Because what the NFL doesn't like is quarterbacks coming from college, and half of them are busts. So the NFL is incorporating more college football as often as they can. These are why David Teper, Owner of Carolina is like, come on, Baylor football, come on. They're doing this so fewer teams have busts. More teams are dynamic and vibrant on offense.

The chiefs are what the league wants it to look like. It really is. Now, I will say this. The NBA would love for everybody to look like the Warriors. The problem, of course, is they had four players, maybe three, who are the best three-point shooters of all time. So you get a lot of teams that are trying to be the Warriors, but instead just it's Clank City from Three-Point Land.

But the NFL, it's funny, I was all weekend long. I was emailing a very, very, a billionaire, an NBA owner. He's a very smart person. And I like him. And I occasionally get the opportunity to email and talk to this person. And we were arguing back and forth a little bit about some things about the NBA and the NFL. He's obviously an NBA owner. He's very pro-N-B-A.

And I like the NBA, but I said, I think you have some issues. The kids are more into themselves and not the community and the team and the mobility sometimes hurt. But we were talking about the NFL, and one of the things I was thinking about when I got off the email was the NFL ratings have been going up for mostly the last 10 years. And they've done that with a dynasty that is smart and precise and efficient and mostly boring. I mean, I lived in Connecticut, so I was into the Patriots and I love Brady. But that's the San Antonio Spurs. We draft, well, we're efficient. We have one star.

he's never controversial, his game's not flashy, and yet the NFL grew. Can you imagine if Kansas City's the next dynasty? I get to watch that. That. So I was thinking about this as I was talking to the NBA owner is for anybody that thinks football's in trouble, we have had sustained growth in football in this country with a rather boring, cerebral, academic, precise, efficient dynasty in New England. How about this for the next 10 years?

How about Mahomi? How about Tyreek Hill? How about Travis Kelty? How about Andy Reed? This weekend, this is the Warriors. By the way, the Warriors imploded. The dynasty imploded this year. The NBA ratings have tanked.

They were the most fun to watch. They were the greatest basketball show in the world. they imploded, hurt, KD leaves. What's happened to the NBA ratings? Kansas City is jet fuel for this league. By the way, the downside is there's a lot of pressure on Kansas City. Because when you are the Warriors, we want titles. And as somebody from Kansas City told us yesterday, they better win this weekend.

If they lose, it's crushing. It is, the season becomes a failure. Patrick Mahomes is playing for $35 million less right now than he will be making in future seasons. So you must take advantage of this opportunity. Last year, they were a coin flip in overtime against the Patriots away from going to, and I believe winning the Super Bowl. If you didn't take advantage of that, if you didn't lose to the Titans, then that is an enormous missed opportunity.

You don't get those years back. Let me shift to this. San Francisco, Green Bay, and Jimmy Garoppolo. So I was the other day my family was making fun of me. I have an iPhone. It's not with me. And I don't know what it is. An iPhone 5 or something.

iPhone 6. I think it's an iPhone 6. And the kids in the family were making fun of dad. Oh, it's so outdated. I'm like, it's not a flip phone. It's like an iPhone 6. And I'm like, I mean, it's, I mean, it doesn't do this. and it doesn't do that.

And I'm like, I got an alarm clock. I got a calendar. I can make calls. I can get on the internet. I can take calls. And I can follow, like, stocks. And I can follow people. I could go, I could get to any social side I need to, like Twitter.

I can get to my Instagram. I'm like, remember the days when that was enough from your phone? You could make a call and take a call. You could go to Twitter. You could follow your stocks, your 401K. You had a calendar. You had an alarm clock. Remember the good old days when that was enough?

I'm like, I don't need it to make a bagel or wash my clothes or dry clean stuff. I'm good. I'm fine. Remember the days in football when if you were a starting quarterback and in your first 26 starts, you were 21 and 5 and got to the conference championship. Remember the days when that was enough? That's Jimmy Garoppolo and half of you don't like him. Fantasy football has skewed our perception on what a game.

good quarterback is. James Winston is a good fantasy football quarterback. Daniel Jones on many weekends this year was better than Jimmy Garoppolo in fantasy football. Josh Allen, because he runs, is way better. What do you want from Jimmy Garapolo? 21 and 5 in the conference championship. Colin, it's his coach. Yes, he's got a good coach. I'll wait and listen for the great quarterbacks, Marino and Elway and Brady and Dan Fouts, who had bad coaches. None of them? Well, it's his defense. Oh, let me wait to get the list of multiple Super Bowl winning quarterbacks,

Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Tom Brady, who had bad defenses. So you're criticizing him because his coach is good and his defense is good. Folks, remember when 21 and 5 as a starter was good enough? What do you want? In the fourth quarter and overtime this year, regular season in the playoffs, he completes 67% of his throws, his passer ratings 102.4. He's got six TDs in a pick. Sorry if he's the cell phone that doesn't wash your clothes.

Fantasy football has skewed it. We're demanding and asking people to emotionally help me win money on the side. I've been watching football for 40 years. Here's what I know about Jimmy Garoppolo. In the biggest moments, he's really good and he wins a lot. I don't care about his stats. He's never going to be a stat guy, which, by the way, John Elway, once he got Mike Shanahan, wasn't a big stat guy.

He just won Super Bowls. Kyle Shanahan, like his father's offense, is not built. Andy Reed is, Don Corrielle was, Bill Walsh, maybe. This offense in San Francisco is not built to win MVP awards for quarterbacks. It's a Parcells offense. It's a Mike Shanahan offense. It's built to win Super Bowls. And if you really want to win Super Bowls, you generally can't have a team that demands your quarterback throws 45 times a game or is a life preserver 16 times a Sunday.

Kyle Shanahan asked Jimmy Garoppolo about three times a Sunday, make a big boy throw. Here's one of them in the end zone. Spin it. Here's another one late. Drop it in. He doesn't ask Jimmy G to do it 42 times. Lamar Jackson this weekend. Too many plays, too many throws.

It's not the way the position's supposed to be played. Brady's always been better with a sufficient running game. Jared Goff with a running game gets to a Super Bowl. Jared Goff without it is third in his division. It is remarkable, though. It used to just be good enough to be 21 and 5 to get the conference championships and be better when it mattered in the fourth quarter and overtime. You want James Winston's picks?

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judge. A police spokesman said the warrant was issued after a video showing OBJ. We have the video apparently slapping an officer's butt in the locker room after a mail officer, by the way, a male officer's championship game. Listen, I think I've said, I think I did a piece about a year ago and Baker Mayfield got all upset. Baker Mayfield got mad at me because I said, OBJ now is actually more known outside of the one-handed catch for non-football stuff than football stuff. If you go and look at his nine or ten biggest moments, there's the catch, and then it's a bunch of Paris hotel rooms. Now you have this arrest warrant. It's handing out cash. He is somebody that needs constant attention. I don't think he's a bad kid. I think most of these

pro athletes are 24 years old, have a lot of cash, sometimes tough upbringing. you know, they know their careers are short. Look at me. I don't want to be the old guy constantly banging on young players. I would like to address, and I think this thing will not be a big deal, I would like to address the video that's out there with OBJ paying LSU football players. I am not outraged by it. I never want to be the fake guy on TV and radio.

You may not agree with me, but when I hear all the moral outrage to this stuff, A, OBJ seeks attention. That's a new one? You're shocked by that. Number two is this happens all the time. You just don't have a camera watching it. Folks, the NCAA, and I don't, I'm not anti-NC-WA. I think it's easy to go out there and bang on the NCAA.

I think they do a world of good. I think the NBA should embrace college basketball and use it as a platform to market all these young stars. So by the time they get to the NBA, I've got a relationship with them. I can't wait to watch Zion. because he went to Duke. If he went to a G League, I wouldn't know who the kid is. So I think football's always embraced college as a recruiting or as a platform. I don't bang on the NCAA.

But this is where it's very fuzzy. So the NCAA allows LeBron James and OBJ to give every player, Ohio State LSU, a $300 beats headphone. They signed off on it. They allow high school players to come on campus, hang out with girls. They're selling you glamour and food and stuff. and other stuff, and it's all good. And the NCAA allows you $550 swag bags during bowl games. By the way, college basketball programs, I know, because I know a couple of coaches,

they have chefs on campus. They're feeding the kids better than you and I eat. The kids have swag and shoes, and they're good with all of it. But yet LSU wins a national title and a couple hundies from OBJ goes to players going to the NFL, and I'm supposed to be outraged by it. I'm not. This stuff happens all the. time you just don't see it.

Colin, you are enabling. Colin, this is outrageous. I'm going to ask you a question. I want you to be totally honest with me. What if I told you from this point forward, it was legal for former players at football programs to pay players cash? Well, you know what would happen then? I'll tell you what happened then, Colin.

Then schools like Alabama and LSU and Ohio State and Oklahoma and all the great programs because they have more NFL guys, yeah, all the kids would want to go to those programs. Oh, oh, you mean like now this money isn't doing anything? All the best high school players pick the same eight programs every year. Clemson, LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma. It's not changing anything. There's about 10 great programs in college football. Sports been lobsided since I was a kid, and I still watch it every Saturday, and there's money exchanging hands every Saturday, and it doesn't change anything.

You think that's the first time in LSU player got a hundy? Texas, Oklahoma. I'm not repped in the schools. I'm saying this is business. They're giving it away at churches. They're giving it away over here. There's a story Eric Dickerson tells years ago where they used to, in state, sometimes, where gambling is legal, you'd have the parents go into a casino, pull the lever. oh, I want $30,000.

How fortunate is that? That's how they paid the parents of the players. They rigged the casino slot machine. I'm not saying I love the optics on this thing. I'm not saying that OBJ isn't too needy for my pace. Can we stop the moral outrage? We got hundies flying all over these sports. Just wait till some of the stuff comes out from that attorney,

Michael Avanti, on college basketball. here, you know, these college basketball guys aren't paid. No, no, they are. You'll find out about it. This is not the end of the world. I don't love the optics. But even if you had players, and they've been doing this for years, by the way, paying guys that go to their school, Buckeyes in the NFL, going into town, Columbus on a buy week in the NFL and dropping a couple of hundee to a linebacker because they know he can't afford pizza with his girl or jeans, they've been doing that for 20 years.

And it hasn't changed anything. Ohio State's going to win the Big Ten next year, and Alabama's going to win the SEC next year, and Clemson's going to win the ACC next year, and Texas and Oklahoma, one of the two, is going to win the Big 12 next year, and they've been handing out honeys forever. Stop the moral outrage.

I don't have to love it, but I'm not going to pretend it's not happening every day, and I don't blame anybody for it. I'm not blaming OBJ. You just saw it on camera. Not blaming the kid for taking it, and I'm not blaming the NCAA, because they can't police it.

All speed driving home. Won't be any cops. I won't get a ticket. You can't police everything. There's a gray market in gambling, a gray market for sports. There's a 12% of the American economy is underground. I mean, aren't we all taking the occasional dinner?

We ride off and it's kind of fuzzy whether or not we should. It happens. You just saw it this time. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. The Giants, the New York Giants are interviewing Jason Garrett for the offensive court. position. What are you doing, Jason? I mean, I get the Giants wanting him, but what are you doing, Jason? Time out. John Gruden took a decade off. His stock rises. Go look at John Gruden's record. Jason Garrett's record is better than John Gruden's record. What are you doing? By the way, Mike McCarthy somehow became a better coach sitting on his butt all offseason. Why are these coaches so insecure? I think it's just part of the coaching DNA. They think the next

job they get offered is the last one they'll ever be offered. Chip Kelly, after Philadelphia went 10 and 6, 10 and 6. Then he has a bad year, 7 and 9 gets fired and rushes into the 49er job. What are you doing? Sit back and let people talk about, wow, look, you know, Chip Kelly did go 10 and 6. Instead, he went into a messy situation in San Francisco. Then from there, he rushes back over to UCLA. Jason Garrett has a better coaching record right now than John Gruden percentage-wise.

And John Gruden has the best contract in the league. million a year, moving to Vegas with no state tax for a decade. Like the art of saying no. Don't rush to agree to every contract or every job offer. Think about this. In one year, you can be coaching Matt Ryan in Atlanta with a very good roster, a very good GM, a very stable owner in Matt Ryan. In one year, Minnesota and the Chargers, if they don't win this year bigger,

rosters loaded. We don't know if Anthony Lynn's going to make it. One more year of being average, Anthony Lynn's probably gone, and Mike Zimmer's conservative game planning is going to get him booted if they don't win big next year. Minnesota, Chargers, those are like big boy jobs with NFL pro bowlers everywhere. Jacksonville's going to have an opening. I'm not saying it's not an elite one, but Tampa's going to have an opening probably. Jacksonville's going to have an opening.

Bruce Ariens probably retires. Detroit could have an opening. What are you guys doing? Jason Garrett's resume is impressive. 56% of the games he's won. That's right on Bill Parcells his line. Three playoff appearances, three 10-plus winning seasons. Only one losing season.

And that was when Tony Romo got hurt and it was a revolving door at quarterback. Dude, Netflix and chill. Go home. Sit in your 6,500 square foot mansion in Dallas. Coordinator, it's also a weird fit because Dallas, he always looked like Jerry Jones adopted son. It just is a weird fit to me. I don't like it. I don't think he should be a coordinator.

It's bad branding. I know coaches want to coach, but take a year off, take a deep breath. Something's going to be open. And Jason Garrett is absolutely going to get a second job. The longer you're on the beach, I mean, ask yourself, look at Cleveland. They were just at the end, Cleveland was interviewing anybody who'd been a coordinator for even a year. The Packers hired a guy who'd been a guy who'd been a quarterback. coordinator for a year.

There's not a long list of viable coaching candidates in the NFL. Increasingly, you're just, you're just giving them the guy. Freddie Kitchens got a job. He'd never been a coordinator. You were the coach of the Dallas Cowboys. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app.

Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Another story that we need to address here is Kyrie Irving. Now, there's a big difference. If you look at the history, in the NBA. Most of your great players share a trait. They're not all tall, and they're not all great shooters, and they're not all strong, and they're not all great defenders.

What is the trait that most franchise superstar A-plus players have? Mental discipline, mental toughness, MJ, Kobe, Bird, Magic, LeBron. This is why I never understood Kevin. Durant choosing Kyrie Irving. Steph Curry, mental toughness, emotional discipline. He doesn't say stuff like the world is flat. Yesterday, Kyrie Irving came out and talked about all the needs the Brooklyn Nets have a need. Here it is.

I mean, it's transparent. It's out there. You know, it's glaring in terms of the pieces that we need in order for us to be at that next level. collectively I feel like we have great pieces but obviously it's pretty glaring that we need you know one more piece or two more pieces that will compliment myself Katie DJ GT Spence Kerosen you know we'll see how that evolves it's not the end of the world but generally you don't want to call out who you think are really important pieces and who are not really important pieces by the way the nets are five and nine when kairie's on the floor they're better 500 when he's

not and the Boston Celtics are now significantly better since Kyrie Irving left. Kyrie Irving is a flake. He's an artist. He's gifted. He's special. But you can't build your franchise around him and he's not a great teammate and he doesn't help teams win. I don't know why we argue about this stuff. When I saw Kyrie Irving get hurt in Brooklyn, I was like, of course he got hurt. He gets hurt everywhere. When I saw Kyrie Irving melt down earlier this year and say things that weren't cool. I'm like, well, of course. That's what he's done his whole career. He's a bad decision maker. That doesn't mean he's not a great basketball player. It doesn't mean he's not one of the great artists and the great closers. He's all those things. But if you

look at the history of the NBA, the people that you build a franchise around, Tim Duncan, Akeem, Duane Wade, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Kobe West, they all have the exact same strength. They're very strong emotionally. They are grown-ups. They're disciplined. They're not artists. They're business people. They understand the locker room and the temperature.

And I just think it's crazy that Kevin Durant had the opportunity to play with Steph, saw how easy it was. And then he chose a guy that bailed on LeBron and bailed on Brad Stevens. And both have flourished without him, and he has not. So, you know, it's funny. whenever I see these, you know, stories on Kyrie Irving, people are like, can you believe what he said? Well, of course I can. He bailed on LeBron.

He bailed on a coach Brad Stevens who's been good with every point guard. Campbell Walker's just tearing it up. Of course he is. He went to Brad Stevens. So I've never been a Kyrie guy. I think it's incredibly problematic and poor judgment for Katie to leave Steph and Kerr and a great roster to Brooklyn. I know NBA, player empowerment. I get it.

But quarterbacks don't leave teams with good coaches, good offensive linemen, and good receivers. They don't. That'd be stupid. Patrick Mahomes would be out of his gourd to leave Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey and Andy Reid. He'd be like, what are you doing? I don't understand that Kevin Durant, smart guy apparently, very aware, watches Kyrie, LeBron watches him bail and says, yeah, that's what I want to go play with. I don't get. Sometimes you got to get out of your own way.

And what's happening with Brooklyn this year is exactly what I thought would happen, which is these guys even chose the second most important franchise in New York basketball. Why wouldn't you just choose the Knicks over Brooklyn? Well, the owner. What, the owner in Brooklyn's amazing? I just, the NBA is funny is that I'm for player empowerment. I always have been. I support KD when he leaves.

I support LeBron when he bounces around. I get it. I've moved around. I'd be a total hypocrite to not support players moving around. But I do not support any player leaving a good situation to go to less of a situation. The Warriors have one of the best owners, one of the best coaches, one of the best superstars. And I think Kevin Durant is going to regret it for years that he chose. injury-prone and emotionally inconsistent Kyrie Irving.

I thought it was a huge branding mistake and a huge mistake. And you're seeing it. This team last year, remember Brooklyn. The story on Brooklyn was, you know, I didn't sit and watch a bunch of Brooklyn games, but the whole story was the chemistry is good, the hunger's good, the dudes like each other, and they snuck into the playoffs. And that was kind of the story of the team. It's toast now.

Literally, they're worse when he's on the floor. So don't confuse. not anti-Kairie. He's really talented. He's Westbrook. I mean, I'm not John Wall, Derek Rose. I'm not Zach Levine. I'm not denying the talent. That's not the question. But that doesn't mean Zach Levine's fun to play would. Westbrook's having his worst year. Bradley Beale never feels that he's elevated with John Wall. And I don't think anybody, I don't think Kyrie makes anybody better. I think Kyrie makes Kyrie better. But this year, the nets are 13 and 3 when he doesn't dress. They've lost twice as many games as they've won

when he does. What does that tell you? And by the way, last night, off a minus 29 plus minus a minus 29 he said that comment. Dude, you're the problem. His team made the playoffs without you. They're 500 without you. You're the issue. Never ends with Kyrie. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m.

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He took these Titans to the Super Bowl and one of the wildest finishes in Super Bowl history. He's Jeff Fisher, 22 years, 13th winning his coach in NFL history. He's got a suit on. Looks very CEO. Look at that. How are you? Any good fish? lately? Oh yeah. Yeah. Where?

All over the place. I know. I know. You're the Kurt Gowdy of them. I've caught enough fish. So I want to talk about Andy Reid because you faced Danny many times. And you were a defensive coach and he's an offensive wizard. I could make the argument that Tennessee like your teams is uniquely the architecture here is the way to beat Andy. When you had success against Andy, how did you do it? That's what we did. We had run. We had run.

running backs, whether it was Eddie or Chris Johnson and Lendell White combined or what have you. We had running backs. And, you know, somebody was asking me backstage here, how do you think Andy's doing, what's going through his mind? There's one thing going through his mind, two numbers, two-toes side by side, and that's Derek Henry right now. That's the concern, I think, that they have. And, you know, just let's go back a couple years because, and we'll come back to Kansas

City. But, you know, I think some people kind of second guess what was going on in Nashville, because Mike Mularky takes the Titans to the playoffs, and they're down 21-0-0 to Kansas City, and they come back and win. Mario-O-Do. With Marietta. Go to New England and lose, and Malarkey gets fired. What is John Robinson doing? And he hires Mike Vrable, and here they are back in just a short period time. I think it was a great move by the organization to get Mike in there. And Mike came in with players. He had a good group of players, and he had a quarterback that had been to playoff.

Some things didn't go right. But, you know, this is a great step for the Titans franchise and organization to find a way to get back. And, you know, as you mentioned and everybody, I'm excited about it. You know, I played against Andy Reid in high school. Did you guys have the shot of Andy at the punt passing kick? Yeah, it was the biggest 13-year-old ever, yeah. Yeah, but, yeah, this Andy Reid, and then boom, boom, boom. And he's just the ball guy.

You know, he just loves football and he's easygoing and he's a great communicator. He loves offense. He's been around great people. The analytic stuff, that's all in his brain, you know, and he just handles it well. So I think it's a great match. Are you a little surprised? You know, if Rabel was playing, Jeff, not long ago, there's definitely in 2010, there's a Jackdale Rio about him and Anthony Lynn.

He's a big man. There's a presence with him. And I think that really matters in college, but it can matter in the NFL. Are you a little surprised he's this good, this quick as a coach? I'm not surprised. He's got good coordinators. He's got a good staff. Dean is one of the top, and he's got really no recognition whatsoever this year.

So he's got good coordinators. He has a plan. And, you know, he recognized that something is wrong with Marcus. And he probably couldn't put his finger on it. Now, we all say, well, he had five quarters. coordinators in five years and what have you. So let's just go with Tanyl and see what happens. And it was a great thing.

Now, I think, I don't mean to take a shot at the guys in New York, but I think Darnold's going to be okay in New York because the guys that were coaching Tanna Hill in Miami didn't get it done in Miami. And now he's come on again and he's got a shot. So I think it was a great call to go with Tannehill and just see what happens. And when you do that, you have to rely on something else other than the quarterback, and that's the running back. So it was a perfect storm, but all just mesh together.

And it happens, Jeff. You get things just sort of work. This year, you could tell for New England, they could. The center got hurt, the kicker. You couldn't cinch it all up, LSU football. They kind of cinched it all up, the coordinator. So when you look at Derek Henry, people thought he was going to be a linebacker. He was too big to be a running back.

he's always been fine, but what happened? He is, something has happened in the last 15 months. Like, did somebody get in his ear? Like, what's, he feels better and more dominant today? Colin is great. You asked that. I don't know. This is what I've been told.

I tried to verify it, but one particular person that I'm pretty close with over the years, Eddie George. I heard that Eddie had a little visit with Derek. And it was the conversation. was to the extent of pretty basic was hey dude okay you are a big back run behind your pads don't make people miss run over them you are a punishing big back and be who you are he is a man now and it's not fun and so i mean it's just you know i was honored that i was invited to attend the tie early this in september the titans uh colts game and and and where eddie george and steve mc

there's jerseys were retired. So I got to spend the afternoon there, and unfortunately it was in a losing effort against the Colts. Things just didn't feel right, look right. You kind of, well, we got some stuff that happened at the end of the game, and Taylor's not back yet, and all this stuff. But, you know, I got a sense then that maybe that's when Eddie did it or somebody got to Derek, but this is a different team, and it's a team you do not want to play in the

player. Yeah, yeah. I want to, before we go to the Packers, I want to do two issues with you, and please explain these. Jason Garrett, head coach of the Cowboys, is now interviewing for a coordinator of the Giants. My takeaway is, dude, take a year off. McCarthy suddenly got brilliant with a year off. Gruden got smarter with 10 off. Why do you think he's interviewing for the Giants job? He doesn't need the money. Yeah, the money's not the issue. It's, you know, as coaches, there's different things that are taking place throughout your careers. One thing that happened to Jason is that Jason went from

the face of the Cowboys as the Cowboys head coach, but also the Cowboys play caller on offense. And so our understanding is he hasn't been calling plays for a couple years now. Do you think he misses it? I know he misses calling plays. That's just how coaches are wired. And he's an outstanding play caller. In this day and age in this game, it's way too much to call plays

and also manage a game at the. end or manage a game because clock management starts somewhere at the end of the third quarter. It's not just in the last minute of the game. You have to start managing your timeouts, your challenges. Yeah, everything that's going on. So Colin, he wants to get back to Colin plays. And he probably has a great deal of respect for that organization. They play him twice a year.

He's seen Daniel play. He's probably evaluated and saying, you know what, I can do some things with this kid and get this storied franchise back on the map. and what could be better than having a chance to maybe go out and meet Dallas next year. That's a really good insight. Jeff Fisher. That's great insight. I haven't heard that. OBJ, very impulsive, can be immature. What do you make? You're Cleveland. You got Baker who can be impulsive. Kevin Stefansky's a new kid. You got an owner who's impatient. Now I've got to deal with this OBJ stuff. Do you cut him loose in Cleveland or is he too good? What do you make of what he's doing and who he's become?

No, I think he's learning. You know, Odell's learning. from this. I mean, this is an emotional game and all kinds of emotions. And you can only imagine the emotions in that locker room after winning the national championship and his alma mater. And so things happen, you know, I just think in time it'll settle down. It was interesting. I, you know, you hear, you know, there was stuff this year about Odell saying something in pregame warmups to an opponent that, oh, get me out of here. I want to be here. He says that every week. that's him. It's okay. That's just how he is. He said that to me, you know, when my last year here with the Rams and went and played in London. I was talking to him in a pregame warm,

warm ups and the same thing. Get me out of it. I'd love to play for you. He just likes to talk. You know, he's a great player. So now there's a fine line. There's a line you can't cross, whether, you know, if there's an issue here with this cash, and now as I was on my way down here, I saw that maybe there was a pat on the rear end that didn't, wasn't, didn't go over. very well. Those things you've got to work themselves out. But he's an emotional guy. There's nothing malicious about. He's a great player. Tell him what to do, what not to do, and go win games. By the way, you were a D-B defensive back. You played for USC. You're a former player. You've always been seen as a player's coach. You understand we can't overreact. Players today are

more empowered. They got to social media. It is harder sometimes to coach players. Now, let's shift to this. I like the Niners. When I watch football, I watch matchups. you're the coach of the Green Bay Packers. D. Ford, Bosa, Buckner, Armstead. You feel like, listen, they individually have better players. We're going to lose some individual matchups. What does Green Bay do, knowing that the personnel matchups, they're at a disadvantage up front for three hours in that game?

Chip blocking, what do you do? Well, that's the thing. First off, you got, you have Aaron Rogers who understands that, going into the game. He witnessed it already this year. He knows what he needs to do. So you get together offensively and you know, you have to do some creative things to protect. It's not, hey, can our right tackle block their left defensive end all day? It's not going to work that way, especially when it's passing situations. There's no better defensive pass rush coach right now in the league than Chris Casaric. And Chris is there at San Francisco. He's one of those guys

You know him. Oh, yeah, I know him. I know of him. I've watched him coach. He came from Detroit and he's an up-and-comer. I have, I had his mentor on my staff, so I know quite a bit about him. He's been the difference maker up front. So he'll win the one-on-ones. You have to create a situation where, for example, you might turn your offensive line one direction and just kind of zone, slide protection, protecting by yourself more time. But don't leave your end on the tied end like people do it. time. So, you know, the Green Bay's offense will be equipped to do this. This thing's coming down like it always does. When there's uncertainty, you're comparing a veteran quarterback to a young quarterback.

What does it come down to? It comes down to who's going to run the football better. Who's Grofell's best friend? It's their running game. And they're fullback. And this, by the way, Kyle Shanahan, son of Mike, who you coached against before, we look at Kyle as this offensive guru and the clever. He likes to pound the football. He does. So who's going to one stop the run when it's time to do it now. Okay, all bets are off. This is the final game of the year. Okay, before you get to the big prize, you got to stop the run and run the football. Who's better equipped to do that? Because the run game and your defense ability to stop the run is going to be the quarterback's best friend. So I'm not into predictions. I'm into watching

this thing. I do know Green Bay can run it. I do know Green Bay has a couple past rushers that they didn't have last year. They can really wreak havoc. Now, you've seen Colin, you've seen those shots. during the games where it's the replay, and they come from a low level, and the quarterback's in the pocket. He throws the ball incomplete. Why did you throw that? Why did he throw that?

I've seen a few out of those from Garoppolo. Garabla's going to be a franchise quarterback for a long, long time. He just doesn't have the experience. So the run game is going to take him out of those situations where he got to make those tough decisions as far as where to go with the football. Yeah, this is going to be, by the way, minute left, you've coached in Super Bowls, you've coached in conference championships.

Do you scale back the raw-rah speeches? I mean, do you coach slightly different the bigger the game? Do what you did to get you there, but just be focused. Don't get caught up in things. There's a lot of wasted energy. There's a lot of calories that are potentially going to be burned between now and kickoff. It's how do you save them? It's how do you rest.

It's don't overreact and don't get caught up in these rumors. and, well, this coach on the staff may go here or there, and just do what got you there. Now, in Andy's case, Andy needs to put something over his eyes when he sleeps so he doesn't see a 22 when he's falling to sleep because Derek Henry is going to be Andy Reed's worst nightmare if they're not careful. Great seeing you. Jeff Fisher, 22 years. I've told you this before, and I don't know if you have any interest in this,

but I have told you you are in great shape. you have a million connections. You need to pick up the phone when college jobs call you. Okay, you promise me that? I'm ready for that. I'll answer. I will answer. But you need my advice.

Like I said, I've caught enough fish for a couple of years. By the way, I told you I went fly fishing for the first time ever this summer. We did, yeah. It's great. Never been fly fishing. Provo, Utah. We'll pick a date. We'll pick a date.

I'd love to go. I got the perfect place. Do you? Good stuff. I love seeing you. Thank you so much, Coach, for being on the show. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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