The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Jan 28, 2020

Episode Date: January 28, 2020

Colin doesn't care about Jimmy G's stats, he wins and in football that's all we care about. He explains why LeBron James is uniquely qualified to handle the weight of the Kobe Bryant tragedy on the Lakers because of what he's already been asked to do in life and in basketball. Plus, Hall of Famer and FOX NFL Analyst Howie Long comes on set in Miami to talk about playing in the Super Bowl and what it's like having a son in the game similar to what Mike and Kyle Shanahan are dealing with. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we are on FS1. We have a star studded show today. We thank you so much for joining us. There are a lot of choices out there. Joy Taylor is joining me, her brother. The Hall of Famer Jason Taylor will be joining us on the show. Today I'm going to pepper him with questions about Joy's childhood, so get ready for it. Very excited for that. It is much brighter and warmer than it was yesterday. It was a little cold, a little overcast. We are in full Miami swing now here on South Beach. By the way, there are a lot of amazing cities. I do apologize for the rest of the American cities, but let's just hold all the Super Bowls here.

Yes. Last night went to an Argentinian Steakhouse in Miami. We're doing music. I'm not sure I slept. It was just, I have left left my own persona in Los Angeles. I mean, look at his place. It's paradise.

Let's start with this. I'm reading a story. We have, perhaps, many believe, the best football player in America in the Super Bowl, Patrick Mahomes. It's a remarkable story. Yesterday, we talked about the similarities with Kobe Bryant,

not drafted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, drafted 10, overlooked. Dad played pro sports, falls into really good coaching as he enters the NBA or NFL, and they were asked very early, Patrick Mahomes now, Kerry be the face of the franchise, and I think he can do it. But I want to talk about Jimmy Garofalo. One of my favorite things about sports is finding the gem before we all know it's obvious. A couple days ago I saw on the internet, Derek Jeter, the scouting report in high school,

the scout for the Yankees in high school, talked about Derek Jeter. And he's like five tool star. And I was like, if this was up for auction, I would buy it. It's fascinating. I remember having a high school conversation in a prelude of my best friend, Jack Jones in high school in 1983, and I told him about this band from Ireland. They were called You Two.

he didn't like him. And I told him in 1983 they've got one album. They're going to be amazing. I love stuff like that. I think it's cool to find something that becomes great before everybody knows it's great. Isn't that what everybody's trying to do with the stock market? Find the stock before it becomes Amazon or Microsoft. Jimmy Garapolo. One of the things I like about the NFL is about winning. The NBA can be about style. Baseball is about stats. Other sports are about many things. Football's about winning. Jimmy G. went two and O in New England, then five and O in San Francisco, 2017. He's now 23 and 5 as a starter. I do apologize if he's not on the House of Highlights on Instagram or he is not as productive for your fantasy team.

But this is the thing about the NFL, and this is one of my favorite parts of sports. My entire life, and I think Joy does this a lot too, I'm trying to give you insight that other shows don't give you. There's a million radio shows and a million talented hosts, men and women doing what I'm doing, men and women. But I'm always on the phone, trying to get information, trying to find it just a second sooner so you feel like you're kind of part of a club, a club that has information. And in the process of doing that, I've always had a basic rule. Find people who are smarter than me in some particular field, listen to them and if they work as hard as me and as they're as diligent as I think I am, then trust them.

So for those of you doubting Jimmy Garoppolo, ask yourself this, do you think Bill Belichick knows more about football than you? Do you think Kyle Shanahan knows more about football than you? Bill Belichick was going to replace Tom Brady with Jimmy Garoppolo, who was 2-0 as a starter. And Kyle Shanahan paid him $27 million a year. Actually, the first year cap hit was $35 million, and he had five starts. So ask yourself, there's a reason a scout could predict Derek Jeter. There's a reason music critics talked about the Beatles before they were the Beatles. Do you think Belichick and Kyle Shanahan know more football than you?

They certainly know more than me. Think about how willing to commit to Jimmy Garoppolo before the rest of us. And I just, that's when I went all in on Jimmy G. I'm like, Belichick's going to replace Brady? Kyle's going to pay him 27 million a year. I'm all in on this guy. By the way, I'm not a big stat guy, but there are stats that matter.

And Jimmy Garapolo is never going to be a stat monster. The receiving core is young. George Kittles, good, but often heard. They are a run-first offense that wants to eat the clock. We saw that against Green Bay, that didn't ask Jimmy G to throw a lot. So with Garapolo, there will, be numbers I will monitor and they will not be touchdown passes. They will not be yards. They will be

wins and they will be fourth quarter football. This year in the NFL, Jimmy Garapolo's passer rating when trailing was 117. Aaron Rogers was in the 80s. That matters. That's a stat. trailing late time running down pressure on you can't rely on that big running game behind you you gotta make throws jimmy g trailing passerating this year 117 i'd say it's pretty good Aaron rogers first ballot hall of famer shy of 90 just shy but just shy and remember this we have revisionist history on stuff in Tom Brady's first six Super Bowls, six and O. His best Super Bowl was his sixth.

But if you look at Tom Brady, and this is what football is about winning, his best Super Bowl, statistically, was Philadelphia he lost, his worst with the Rams he won, which one do you think he preferred? But if you go back to Brady's first six Super Bowls, or first six playoff games. Brady's first six playoff games. Never forget this.

If you think Kyle Shanahan is the one winning for Jimmy G. Or the running game. First six playoff games for Brady, got a passer rating over 100 one time. Going back to my initial point, the scout who saw Jeter,

and the time I tried to tell my friend, Jack, that you two is going to be great in 1983. you have to trust people. You have to trust people who you think maybe know a little bit more. And Shanahan paid him 27 large and Bill was going to replace Brady with a kid from Eastern Illinois drafted in the second round. That is why I like San Francisco Sunday and why I think Jimmy G, not Mahomes, could end up being the MVP. Let me shift to this. Two players have mostly dominated in the last 20 years. have dominated this Super Bowl.

Joe Montana with four, Tom Brady was six. Ten rings between the two of them in the last 20, 25, 30 years. Yesterday, Montana came out and said, Tom, don't leave. I've done it. Don't leave, stay in New England. And I was thinking about, you know how like when you're young, your parents give you advice, or you hear like cliches and, you know, sayings and truisms, and a lot of them are just like ridiculous cliché.

But there is one, because I've moved a lot in my life, and this is one I always think about. Grass is always greener, right? If you're in a personal relationship or a professional relationship. Now, I've moved a lot, but I've moved generally for a series of events that I felt I either had to get out of or opportunities I had to get into. So just remember this with Tom Brady. He has the best coach in the league, the best offensive line coach in the league, and arguably the best offensive coordinator. They get their pro bowl kickerback, their defense is top five.

If you're going to leave a company, in my life, there's two to three things I've always asked. Do I trust the management going forward? Can I get a significant financial opportunity? Can I live in a better place? or is there currently chaos where I'm at? New England needs a tight end and one more receiver. That is not chaos. That is not mayhem.

You look around this league, there's only five rosters. I definitively feel that are better than Tom Brady's current roster. I think Baltimore's is better. San Francisco's is better. I think Minnesota's is better. I think the Chiefs is better. New Orleans is better. That's it.

And then New England is swimming in that Dallas, Pittsburgh, Rams, Packers, B-plus, almost everywhere. Grass is greener. If you really, truly look at the needs of New England for Tom Brady, it is a tight end and one more receiver who runs well. That does not rise to organizational chaos. Be sure to catch line.

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Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want to talk for a second about LeBron James. What happened to the Lakers, they canceled an NBA game tonight, Lakers, Clippers. The NBA rightly did so. I think it was too much to ask many young players who idolize Kobe. and however we're connected to each other,

whether it's a physical, emotional relationship, idolizing through music and sports, that's okay. There's no reason to apologize for it. So LeBron said yesterday, it's now my responsibility to carry this franchise through these tough times. It is easy to say that.

He had a beautiful Instagram post yesterday, did LeBron. There is the pressure of being LeBron. there is the pressure of being LeBron as a Laker, and now there is the pressure of being LeBron as a Laker and carrying a franchise through a devastating loss. Folks, in my life covering the NBA,

I've seen really good teams unravel because of a rumor at the trade deadline. If this season for the Lakers was never the same, it would be absolutely and completely understandable. This is the thing about the NBA that people may not know. Chris Broussard touched on it yesterday. The best player in the league, or the second best, becomes a huge brand. He makes more than any other athlete generally in the

world outside of an occasional international soccer star. There's a certain territory to being Michael Jordan and to being Kobe and to being LeBron and to being KD and and to being Steph. And those players are protective with their territory as they should. LeBron James was very close to Duane Wade, but he left Miami and didn't give him a heads up, and Duane Wade understood. KD. did not call Steph Curry before he left Golden State. Both KD. and Steph understood. Larry Bird and Magic were rare. They were close as they aged, even while competing against one another. But generally, there's a territory that you have as the top player brand and kind of personal company in the league. And I respect.

that. LeBron and Kobe were not tight. They had a growing relationship, which was really cool to watch. But as I've said, I've seen NBA teams unravel with significantly less than the death of a beloved star. But I think LeBron is uniquely built for this. And let me speak as a parent briefly. All parents want to provide a better life.

for their kids, a better life than they had. It's just very parental. That's not a criticism. I do it every day. My mom did it to me. She grew up in England, tough life. I do it to my kids. But the struggle and the hardships,

well, there's an advantage to them. LeBron James will be able to do this because LeBron James' life has not been easy. Oh, the last 15 years have. But LeBron at eight, nine, and ten years old was asked to carry his family. At 14, carry his high school team. At 20 to carry a historically irrelevant NBA franchise. At 28 to carry teammates in Miami and most of his young life to carry the NBA.

He's a virtual walking logo. And in every instance, every single instance, LeBron James has put his head down, put the work in and burrowed through and won. I'm not sure any NBA player could do what LeBron is saying he will. Carry the Lakers through this daunting emotional experience. I think he can do it, and he may be the only one, the only professional athlete with the strength to do it because he's had to do it since he was about seven and eight years old.

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There's a little towel for you because it's a... Mike Vick said it's about a buck 20 out here. And it was. And Mike Twix, Mike Vicks about a hundred. 180 pounds, and I'm about 100 more than that. You look great, by the way. I should sweat a little bit. So you forget the Super Bowls you've just been in.

You have been, I think one of the storylines here is I was talking to somebody who's been in several Super Bowls last night at dinner. And they said, Mike Shanahan wants to make sure that Kyle Shanahan gets the credit, but don't kid yourself, Mike's influence, he's watching practice every day, is in this Super Bowl. You have been the dad. Yeah. And you have had this son in a Super Bowl. Let's talk about Chris.

Do you have any influence on that? You know, I'd like to think, listen, when both we have two sons that played Kyle and Chris, and each week I would, as if I were playing in a game because when your upcoming game, you watch the three previous games of the opponent. And this is probably more for me. I don't know what they did with the notes, but I would send them the longest text with You know, if 97 jab steps inside, he's doing this, you know, because one of the points that I think Kyle Shanahan made, you know, in getting advice from his dad was no defense, get to no defense.

And I think he spent in all of his stops, he spent a lot of time in rooms with the defensive coaches wanting to know how they react to things and trying to manipulate that through pre-snap motion, formation changes, the run game, etc. But with Chris, Chris was drafted by the Rams. Yep. Played eight years in St. Louis. And it's the old, you have 40 plus sacks in St. Louis in four years. And if a tree falls in the woods and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?

And, you know, so now you have an opportunity after a couple of injury plagued years where you're free. And you have a choice to go wherever you want to go. now he's you know obviously i think he he he leaned on me a little bit i mean chris is someone who makes his own decisions and and very informed decisions and it was atlanta it was new england it was detroit it was dallas and i kept going back to who's been in the last x number of a fc championship games who's been in the last x number of super bowl games uh and it all pointed back to new england so subconsciously i was pushing him towards new england And ironically enough, we were doing that game that year in Houston.

And we did the first two hours, I think, at a park downtown in Houston. And I was fine. It didn't hit me. And, you know, I've been with this game between playing and broadcasting almost 40 years. It'll be 40 next year. I walked into that stadium and it hit me like the humidity getting off the plane here in Miami. The nerves. my son's playing in the Super Bowl, and it just got so big.

I don't remember much of what I said once we got inside the stadium. But I had pushed him towards New England to the point where he liked Atlanta. He liked the head coach. He was on his way down to Dallas, going to Richmond Airport in Virginia, and he gets a call from Bill Belichick. And, you know, when Bill calls, you're done. When he calls me every time, I'm just done. No, but when he calls, you're done.

I mean, he's making the decision for you. Right. He ends up going to New England, and I felt like partially because I had pushed him there, and now we're in the third quarter. Oh, boy. It's 28 to 3, and I'm the worst dad in the world. The only thing I could possibly help him with is football. Right.

And I've screwed it up. Right. And the historical comeback is on, and, you know, Kyle Shanahan was a part of that. Yeah. You've been in the NFL so long, not only as a player, but as a broadcaster, and a trusted broadcaster, the Mike and Kyle Shanahan relationship's really cool. It is.

And I said this the other day, Howie Long joining us for those on our radio side, Hall of Famer, April Bulls. I said, dads want their sons to get credit, and it can be sometimes tough for sons. I think it's cool that Kyle uses a lot of his dad's methods and tools. No question.

But I think Mike wants Kyle to get the credit for it. But I watch Kyle's offense and I see his dad. Look, I played under Mike and, you know, listen, it wasn't that his tenure with the Raiders was not good. And I think we probably both could have handled it better. That being said, speaking as a dad, and that relationship he has with his son is obviously special. And obviously Mike's philosophy of how to beat a football team and how to prepare a football team. and how to prepare a football team has resonated with him. Because he's taken on a lot of that.

But with the pre-staff motions and the shifts and all that, he's taking it to, I think, a different level. And I can tell you, and I haven't spoken to Mike about this, but Mike would be thrilled to death for Kyle to get all the credit. Because when Chris is on that set in a post game down in Houston, and they've just won the same. Super Bowl and eating those cheeseburgers at 5.30 in the morning in the lobby, it's, I'm not someone who's genuinely optimistic. I'm Irish. So, I mean, we're a little bit of a hot mess.

You know, when's the next controversy? When's the next shoe going to drop? I'm going to tell my wife that. But sitting in that lobby at 5.30 in the morning, eating that cheeseburger with our three sons and nobody else around. Troy Aikman was hovering around and was this close to nirvana as you can get to to give you a northwest kind of yeah aberdeen washington so i'm sure for for for for mike shanahan to watch kyle not only have the success that he's had this year but in in previous years because you know he's worked his way up he's earned it oh yeah having a famous dad is a burden yeah uh and it's it's something that i hadn't really anticipated yeah so this super bowl now is glorious i look at our

set. I can remember when I came to my first Super Bowl, we were on something called Radio Row, and it was just tables and headsets. I am now... Sodom and Gamora's. Yeah, this is Battlestar Galactica, like on HGH. I'd rather fight five guys than go to Radio Row. Am I right? Makes two of us. I'm taking my odds better than yours. But you have been in Super Bowls when it was not this glam fest. Let's go back to your first Super Bowl. Bowl and the simplicity of the preparation the day in the game. Well, it was Super Bowl 18. We had played Washington earlier in the year up in Washington,

lost a close game, backed up, second long screen pass to Joe Washington. We're showing right here. He breaks the play. This is Regins. I believe that's on fourth down. I'm not sure. I think I was on fourth down. Oh, there's Howie.

Yeah. Get him, Howie. Here's the thing. Lyle and I had always taken a cab to the game. Lyle Al-Zator. And that was our way of doing things. We wanted to get there early. Lyle would get dressed.

He'd get on the floor. He'd fall asleep. I'd go over every conceivable play sheet that I could go over. And that was Lyle and me. Tell me when we're in dot formation. That's all he wanted to know. And so why should this game be any different? Now, today, with the streets block and snipers and security,

and you name it, the buses leave. now and the streets are closed down. Lyle and I got in a cab in Tampa, Florida, and went to the game because we went to every other game in a cab on game day. We get stuck three quarters of a mile from the stadium and the poor driver speaks in broken English. He was trying to get us through and Lyle wanted to go up on the curb. We end up walking the last three quarters of a mile through the crowd to get to Super Bowl 18. And Lyle, as you could imagine is angry, which probably was a good thing leading into the game. You were Howie Long and Lyle Al-Azado. Yep. Is it the Causeway in Tampa? What are you walking on Dale Mayvery Street to

the stadium? You know what? I wasn't looking at the streets. I was, my head was on a swivel in the crowd because you never know who you're going to run into. Howie Long, the Hall of Famer is joining us. We are in beautiful Miami. We were talking about Mahomes earlier. And you said the dad can be a burden, but I was talking yesterday in a very somber tone about Kobe and Patrick Mahomes that they were asked very early. Patrick now is sort of asked to be the face of the league as Kobe was. Kobe made an all-star team before he was a starter. Most of our icons, we let them move into their icon stature. Kobe were like, listen, you're just like Michael, be an all-star, but I don't start. It's a burden. But I do think Kobe had a dad who was a pro, Patrick Mahomes, your kids. To see the life before you live,

the life, it helps. When I look at Patrick Mahomes, there is a, he's fun but serious, a kid but a grown up, and add liver, but can play within the sophisticated structure. He feels like Zion to me. I like the temperament. Does he remind you of anybody, though? He reminds me physically of Elway. Having spent most of my adult life at a ski resort chasing him around was not a great, you know, a great deal of fun. But the thing that makes this kid special, I think we're throwing the ball more now at every level of football. Yes. Middle school, Pop Warner, high school, it's all spread, it's all off a wristband, etc. People are specializing in one sport. These kids who are playing quarterback, they're going to seven-on-seven camps. They're going to, you know, showcase camps. It's,

it's all year. They're lifting. They're at academies. This is a guy who got three, scholarship offers, I believe, coming out of high school. One of the reasons why people thought he was a baseball prospect. Trent Dilfer told me yesterday. I thought he was a baseball guy. But he played three sports. And I think the great part of that is you see elements of all three sports in his game. He's a point guard as a quarterback, particularly when he extends plays, going to his right, going to his left, and redistributing kind of the offense. And it's the rerouting of their wide receivers. And they know that they know the trick. They know the game. and you're going to have to hold coverage for six, seven seconds, which is an eternity.

And the pass rush wears down as the game goes on. His ability to act as a point guard and make the off platform throws like a Russell Wilson, like the kid in Arizona, middle infielders who are used to dropping the arm down and making the throw. Great point. Yeah. And when everything breaks down, the guys in that have been to those camps and the seven-on-sevins and it's all structured and structured, sometimes it's chaos. and that's when this guy scares you most.

That's one of the smartest things anybody said on our show. That the baseball guys, it's a different sensibility. Urban Meyer believes. Look how quickly these guys get down. Look how quickly. He gets down. Aaron Rogers is about the only guy that slides that wasn't a baseball player that I'm comfortable with.

Mike. Mike Vic. Mike Vic is one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen in my life. Can't slide. Can't slide. Lamar Jack. I'm like, wait a second. You can't slide. Of course, but it's interesting because what you're basically saying is when you go to these camps,

we know we're talking about this with LeBron James. All parents want to make our kids' lives smoother and better than ours. But there is value in the struggle. And that LeBron had to take control of his family at young ages and franchises. He is really built. He is built to get through tough times. So if you go look at the history of the NFL quarterbacks, it's remarkable how many have transferred, Troy Aitman transferred.

Yeah. And it's remarkable. People forget that. People forget how many were overlooked, dropped, Marino, Aaron Rogers. And I think to your point, a lot of these kids that are star quarterbacks either played two sports, maybe have been better at the other one. They dropped in the draft. And how does this guy drop on the draft?

With the combines and the senior bowl and the East West Shrine game and, you know, the 42 workouts you do on campus, how does this guy drop in the draft to Andy Reid's lap and if this guy wins this Super Bowl if this guy wins the Super Bowl he's taking the league over you know we asked this question yesterday in basketball talent is obvious at 15 but in football half this league is undrafted well you know I think that's the case with big guys I'll give you an example um Buckner and Armstead both played at Oregon with Kyle. Have you walked up on Buckner and Amstead? Oh, they're huge. They are huge. I mean, huge. And it was all part of that. John Lynch and Shanahan are sitting there after two years of subpar football. Your quarterback that you paid all that money for has an ACL. It drops you down

in the draft. It allows you the luxury of drafting Bosa, one, who is as advertised, built like a midget wrestler. He's just, when you walk on the field, your eyes are drawn to certain people. I, it was Samuel. I was, I was amazed at how physical, how thick he was as a wide receiver. He's essentially a running back, playing wide receiver. And Bosa was, he's built for impact. He's built for leverage. And Buckner and Armstead, Buckner was ahead of Armstead. I think, you know, particularly with big players, they evolve later sometimes. And Armstead, it kind of clicked this year. It did.

Because I was never a fan of his, and it clicked this year. And here's what you can do versus what bothers Patrick Mahomes. It's not pressure, because when you bring pressure, he's great versus the Blitz. It's can you rush with four? Can you play coverage? San Francisco can rush with four and play coverage. Yep, seven back. And when they're, when they had the injuries in the middle of the season, particularly the defensive front,

it screwed their rotation up and your defensive line wears down. They get D-Ford back. They get Bosa. They've got the front four back. And they just light you up. Look at Howie's not even sweating. You are just, you have aged. Mike prepared me. He really did.

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Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 15 years in the NFL, six-time Pro Bowl. We're in a Hall of Famer. Jason Taylor is joining us. Brother of Joy, Taylor is joining us. She tells me all these great stories all the time. You did not have, or maybe you did have the typical route to the NFL.

You had a lot of doubters, a lot of questions. people said no. When you look back at your NFL experience, does it feel common or uncommon? I feel like it was uncommon. I mean, I was doubted, undersized. You know, back when I came out in 97, I'm going to date myself a little bit here.

You know, I was 6-5, 666, 240 pounds, and in the NFL you were a tweener. It was kind of a bad word. That's right. It was a derogatory term. And people didn't know where you fit or whatnot. Nowadays, they call them hybrids. They pay them $20 million a year.

Everybody wants them. You can't find them. But I was a little bit too. So on my mother's birthday today, she had me a little bit too early, but it worked out. It's so absolutely true. You're what everybody is looking for now. And if you can't play defense, they make you a tight end. You're right.

They don't have to block anymore either. You just split out, running the seam, it's easy. Let's talk about Jimmy Johnson's influence on your life. He was just inducted into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, Jimmy means everything to me. I mean, he's a guy that took a chance on a 240-pounder playing defensive end. He was very confident and put me in a situation and said, listen, don't worry about learning football right now.

Just go find the football and go do it. So I think the belief that he put in me and the confidence he instilled in me gave me an opportunity to just run around and I learned the game as I went. But, you know, he's the way he thinks, you know, he's a philosophy major and the way he thinks so outside of the box, so different than what other people in the league at that particular time. And I think even nowadays so differently than they really think. And it just instills that confidence.

And it instills that bravado when you that you can do it. Because if he believes in me, I know. I can do it. Did you feel a responsibility to be good for Jimmy? Because he took a chance on you. Yeah, you feel responsibility, but you also feel that pressure and that heat on the back of your neck, much like this Miami heat right now. But, you know, Jimmy was demanding. And he worked the heck out of you. He pushed you. He wanted to make practice so difficult that the games felt easy. And I never understood that when he first was saying it. And then after going through one training came with him, I realized he's exactly right. Like, we're going to work so hard that we can't wait to

get to Sunday. And that's what I need. Listen, if I was a first round pick in 97 in Miami, I might have been a mess up, you know, down here on the beach, getting in trouble, who knows what, but coming into the third round pick, having a huge tip of my shoulder, having a coach that believed in me and made me push and grind, I mean, I think is really what made me a pretty good player. What's it like to play in Miami? Really good. Really good. I mean, depending on the time of year, it's really hot, but it's really good. I mean, it's, this is a great. great city. I mean, they love the dolphins down here as much as they're behind the heat and obviously has some great years with LeBron and B. Wade and those guys in Chris Bosch here at the

heat. You know, this is a football town that's thirsty for a championship. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to win one, but the culture is amazing here. It's a melting pot. And there's a lot of places like this around the country, but I think Miami is so unique in that it's such a vacation spot destination for people. And the Hispanic culture, black, white, Jewish. I mean, they're all in really a small footprint, you know, as far as square footage, square miles. It's, I love it. I mean, it's an amazing city.

It tests you as a player, though. It tested your discipline. It does. The only good thing is that we used to practice in Davy, Florida. So it's about 30 minutes away from here. So I lived about 10 minutes from the facility, and the beach was about a half hour away. So it's close enough you can get to it, but far enough away that you still, okay, at 4.30 in the morning, I got to leave.

I have to be a practice by six. Like, it still gets you out of here. sounds crazy leaving at 4.30, but, you know, it's far enough away, and I had great veterans around me, guys like Trace Armstrong and Tim Bowens and Zach Thomas, so many guys that did the right way that kind of showed you the route to go that kept you out of trouble a little bit. You played on very good defensive fronts, which you were often the star or the star. You got to an AOC championship with the Jets, not a Super Bowl. San Francisco's got a very athletic defensive front.

They've drafted, I mean, they're all under 25 and they've drafted it. when you feel like you went into games knowing I'm better than the offensive tackle I line up against. San Francisco gets into several games like that. Did you know it going into the game on tape or did you sense it after 12, 15 snaps? Both, really. You know going in, okay, I think we match up well. If we can get certain things that happen throughout the course of the game and get a lead, maybe a two-possession lead, I know I'll dominate this, the guy across.

You can tell on film. Yeah, I mean, you know when you match it well. What you like to do against what they like to do, you know, you figure out snap counts. You figure out tendencies. Some quarterbacks like to take the play clock very, very low. So now I can get a jump off the ball when there's one or two seconds up on the play clock. So you look at all those things. Now, when you come out in the first quarter, and I tell everybody that plays nowadays, even the kids I coach now, everybody's fresh.

Everybody's fresh in the first quarter. I mean, they just had the national anthem. There's a flyover. The cheerleaders are doing backflips. Everybody's happy. Everybody's fresh. So you get those guys that want to do a little extra. play a little dirty and push and shove you after the play.

And I used to just turn around and laugh. Say, you're fresh now, but I'm going to see you in about an hour and a half when that sun's been on your neck for two hours. And then I know I'm going to get you. By the way, I saw the Steelers throwing up a couple of years ago. Mike Tomlin brought a team down here. Could you see teams in Miami Wilt? You saw them wilt.

Absolutely. And we would sit in the sideline and laugh about it. Now remember, my first eight years, especially under Jimmy Johnson and Dave Wonstat, we had no indoor facility. So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, all those practices of walkthroughs were outside. So we were always in the elements. We always had to deal with it. So we were held on wheels in September or October.

Now, November, December came around, and those miles started adding up a little bit, and we sometimes ran out of gas. But, yeah, you could see those guys melting. We had guys, offensive alignment, come back on the field for a new series, still have an ice tower around their neck, trying to tuck in their shoulder pads. and the reps would run over and make them pull it out. And as soon as you see that, I mean, it's like a single-file line trying to line up and play against that guy because you know I got one now.

You're a coach now. What have you taken from Jimmy Johnson to be a great high school coach? Is there a message or something you learn from Jimmy? Yeah, I think the work ethic. There's a few coaches I take things from, probably, you know, Jimmy Johnson, Nick Saban, a guy I played for a couple years, and obviously his resume speaks for himself, a guy I love dearly. Kirby Smart.

There's a bunch of guys that I play for. Rex Ryan. But, you know, Jimmy was a sticklet for details. We were always going to work. You're going to outwork everybody when you're in the grass. Listen, let's have a great time. We're going to have fun out here. This game is about having fun. But when you're in the grass, we need to be the hardest workers in the room. And then I always tell my D-Liamer now, and I was always that way as a player, I want to get kicked out of practice every day. I want to ruin every drill to the point where Dan Marino's yelling at me. Jimmy Johnson or Nick Saving, whoever it is, kicks us out of practice because they can't get anything done because the D-Lines

being a pain in the butt. When you do that enough, then Sunday comes easy and you just go out and do your thing. Was he a good brother, Joy? He's a great brother. He's very hard on me, as he should have been. You wouldn't let her have a tequila shot with Michael Jordan. Why? She was underage.

No, it wasn't. I was there for my 21st birthday. That is. No, you know what? I love it. As a brother, I love that. I was looking out. You know why? Because I wanted two shots, and if she took one, then I could only have one. That's the truth behind you. Jason, rightfully so. I mean, I went to school in Miami here was trying to keep an eye on me at all times, which I needed. I probably needed

a couple eyes on me. But he's always hard on me, but I needed it. She's a real pro. She's very disciplined. Were you disciplined? Who's disciplined? She's very disciplined as a worker. No, she'll work. Yeah, she's a worker. What's the qualifier there? I just didn't. I never, you know, you say Joy Taylor, the first 10 things that come to mind may not be disciplined. But we haven't worked together. I see her in a different light. I've seen her in her worst of times and she's not working. But no, she's, listen, she's worked her butt off. I mean, the route she took to get to where she is, you know, from being an intern and

assistant producer or all the title, I don't even know all the titles she had, but she's getting up at 435 in the morning. She earned it. And we're finally at the point now that if we go to dinner, she can pay for it. There we go. Not this weekend, but yes. Jason Taylor and Joy Taylor. Thank you so much, Chase, the Hall of Famer.

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