The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Jun 01, 2020

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

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Ah, here we go on a different Monday, live in Los Angeles. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. I hope all of you are safe today. Healthy, I'm not sure how many of us are happy today. But it is great to have you in. We'll have a series of guests today to talk about what we saw this weekend mixed in with some sports commentary.

And Joy Taylor is joining me this morning. Joy, how are you? I'm good, Colin. Good morning. And I want to start with this. I'll take a few months back with COVID. Everybody was an epidemiologist in America, but not really yet everybody thought they were. That's the America we live in now where everybody gets a strong opinion, except if you don't agree with. with it. Back in the 60s and 70s, we had some remarkable athletes, and they had big,

strong, political opinions. There were death threats for having those. Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, then Lou Al-Sinder, now Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Jim Brown. They were the biggest stars in sports. They weren't backups, casual players. Guys that barely made it. They were the biggest stars in the 60s and 70s, and they put themselves out there. Go look at what they talked about. They were overwhelmingly right, of course. But they got death threats, hate, and pushback for having opinions.

But as sports has become more corporate, better capitalized, with much greater money, fewer superstar athletes want to put it out there. and I will defend them too. I don't think anybody should be forced into political activism or political opinions. Talk about what you know and when you're comfortable about. But LeBron James reads about it, learns about it, lives it, and talks about it. And I respect him for that. His resume will be far beyond basketball.

57-year-old Michael Jordan said over the weekend through a press release, he was pain and plain angry over George Floyd's death. He called for change, and I don't doubt MJ at all. But he's 57. Would he have done that at 27? 37. LeBron James was all over Instagram this weekend, all over social media. Willing, willing to make people uncomfortable.

You know, it's funny about that. We all get opinions on this stuff, right? Except for the athletes. We want them to just stick to sports. But LeBron James has been different very early. His resume will be very deep. The first or second greatest basketball player ever, willing to allow stars to be mobile,

often hyper-aggressively mobile. We run the league, not the owners and GMs. And now his political activism. You know, with all these stances, What does it tell you about where we are in America today? When LeBron James, one of the most thoughtful, giving, and caring athletes is viewed by many as controversial. Really?

LeBron eight years ago talked about Trayvon Martin. Some of us were surprised. He was outspoken publicly with all he had to lose. This weekend, again, he talked about racial injustice. But we expected it. He was right then, and he's right now. LeBron has always been more than just an athlete. And he is now a gateway for other star athletes if they feel comfortable to talk about it.

This weekend, I watched Los Angeles TV, so I'll just speak to that. Tip of the cap to the reporters and photographers who are now too often in many cities, the enemy of the public? No, not really at all. They did remarkable work, and let's not get it twisted. 99% of the people I saw in Los Angeles were loud and right and protesting. and then 1% maybe less were looting. I can't defend that.

I do not believe blowing up, burning down, and smashing the windows of a couple, a family that owns one small business and barely got through COVID paying their bills. I can't justify knocking down their business. I can't. But again, 99% of the people in Los Angeles were peacefully protesting. Pained, loud, and nothing more. Don't let the images fool you.

When LeBron James, Muhammad Ali, Karim, Bill Russell, Jim Brown speak about it, they're right. Not only do they have the right. Let me shift to Karim for a second. You know, it's interesting when you cover sports for a living. And I talked about a second ago how it's been, it's very well capitalized. There's a lot of money in sports. And one thing fans love, they love inside access, insider account, the podcast.

I see my numbers. You have this thing you get into, your Instagram and your Twitter and your platforms. And we like it. We want more and more and more of these social platforms and these columns and these podcast from athletes. But when you go and download the podcast or go to the Instagram and go to the tweets of athletes, you find, wait, they're just like us. Some have strong opinions on things outside of their job. I am wholly unqualified, completely utterly unqualified to talk about racial injustice. But I care about it and I see things that bother me. And I also see people

people that deserve to be elevated because they're so thoughtful and so mindful. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has been one of those athletes for years. He wrote a column in the Los Angeles Times that I downloaded late last night. I'm just going to read you a paragraph from this. He is not a columnist. He is a former athlete and activist. He said, yes, protests often are used as an excuse for smoke to take advantage, just as when fans celebrate a hometown sports team championship burn cars, destroy storefronts.

I don't want to see stores looted or even buildings burn. But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the fame flames burn closer and closer. racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible, even if you're choking on it. Until you let the sun in, then you see it's everywhere. As long as we keep shining that light, we have a chance of cleaning it wherever it lands. But we have to stay vigilant because it's always still in the air.

W-O-W. Wow. We'll talk some sports today. We'll have different guests on to give you perspective. Appreciate Joy and I talked over the course of the weekend. These are difficult times. There are no easy answers. There weren't for 9-11.

There's not for COVID and there's not for racial injustice. There are no easy answers, except unfortunately, often on Twitter. You talk, you learn, you live, you discuss. You know, it's funny about COVID. About three weeks ago, the quarantine was lifted in Los Angeles. And like all of you, I basically got up with my family, occasionally would walk with a mask on, and then I would go to work, work for with a couple people. Joy was not even allowed in the room.

I saw your picture from your place on a screen, and then I would come home. So I could read things, but I didn't have much of a perspective of COVID outside of my family. And then I was allowed back to work, I think about two to three weeks ago. And now there's more people here. And there are people here that don't look like the people in my neighborhood. And I asked them about COVID. And in my neighborhood, I didn't know anybody that had it. That was my reality. And then you ask people in other neighborhoods, often poor neighborhoods, and each one of them had a story. They lost an aunt, a brother, a cousin. You have to see outside yourself. I don't buy into shut up and dribble. I do think athletes deserve opinions. I do also believe

I have a right to listen or ignore. But to deny athletes the right to speak, they are so uniquely qualified to speak. Think about this in America. Most pro athletes grow up with very little money, influence, or power. And then they suddenly get lots of it by 27 years old. There are not many professions that have. happens in America.

If you look at what they've faced, what they deal with, what they work for, what they earned, and what they become, I'm not sure there's anybody in America at 28, 29 years old, more qualified to talk about it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

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All right, we do it every Monday, even this Monday. Colin right, calling wrong. I have strong opinions. We try to hold me accountable when I'm way off, and sometimes I do land my opinions. Here we go. Where Colin was right. It was like Green Bay coach Matt Lefleur was watching our show.

I had said midweek last week. I like Green Bay, but Aaron Rogers has simply gotten too conservative and too safe as a quarterback. He's led the NFL in throwaways the last two years. Bro, let her rip and give Devante Adams a chance to catch it. Well, what do you know? Matt Lefleur came out a day later and said,

our offense needs to take more chances. Right now, the Packers, bottom third in explosion plays, which is remarkable considering you have Devante Adams, Aaron Jones, generally better than average protection, and Aaron Rogers. I think he's too often protecting his efficiency numbers and not being aggressive enough, and it's what Matt LaFleur sees as well. Where Colin was wrong. Darn you, Patrick Mahomes, the NFL did not pass.

It's fourth and 15 new idea. It didn't even get a vote because people, my guess is, think it's great for Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and nobody else. We have an onside kick increasingly. You have no chance to recover it if you're trailing. And some of us thought the new idea, the fourth and 15 from your own territory, you pick up a first at your ball, was a great idea.

But again, Mike Tomlin said, I want special teams. Art Rooney, the second, it a gimmick. It got tabled. I just think people know it would be another advantage for Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes. Where Colin was right? Zion Williamson loved him when I first saw him at Duke and I said there's something special about this kid. He's going to be a star. He has only played in 19 NBA games. And yet the NBA is proposing a playoff format that would include 20 teams. That's interesting. Why 20 because 20 would get Zion Williamson of the Pelicans into the playoffs.

More than one reporter caught on to this. Listen, the kid is just different. The smile, the power plus Duke. The college platform matters. It matters. Unless you're LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, so transcendent, so popular that you don't need college. For most players, it matters. And for Zion, I wouldn't know him without it.

19 games in, he is already a star and the league recognizes it. Where Colin was wrong. You know, I mostly defended Michael Jordan during the 10-part documentary, but he did appear to get caught lying. Okay, not appear to. He was on Isaiah Thomas not making the dream team. Jack McCallum, four Sports Illustrated, covered the dream team, came on our show last week,

and actually had a tape of Michael Jordan acknowledging, I didn't want Isaiah on the team. Now, I never had a problem with it. Michael was the best basketball player in the world easily, and arguably the second best basketball player in the world at that time, Charles Barkley didn't like Isaiah either. But it does appear Michael was fudging. It was for no other reason than Michael didn't want to be on the team

if Isaiah was going to be on it. Where Colin was right? Rob Ninkovich played for the Patriots, connected to the Patriots, said last week, Brian Hoyer's going to beat out Jared Stidim at quarterback. Listen, this is all I'm saying. Quit selling me on how great this kid is. Bill Belichick wanted Brady back. Belichick couldn't get Brady out fast enough when he had Jimmy Garoppolo.

Jared Stidom's been there a year, and the well-connected Rob Ninkovich acknowledges, yeah, I think Brian Hoyer will beat him out. Really? I got stories this week that Tua? He hasn't even started practice yet in Miami. Emmy coaches are like, we need to start to a. Arizona started Kyler Murray, who was half baseball player, half quarterback, who'd only starred in college for one year. Jared Stidham's a nice prospect. Maybe. But he's created no real buzz, or they would have already granted him the job based on a year of watching every single practice. Where Colin was wrong.

said last hour, the PAC 12 is ready to go and play college football. Now, I made one sports prediction, Joy is my witness, and that was about a month ago. I said the SEC is going to play football. Yep. Because it matters more, conservative governors, pro business, they're playing. COVID be damned. Pac-12, I said, no, it's not going to work. I'm from out here.

I get it. I've seen it. Very progressive. Academics first. But maybe it was the pressure from. business people and donors. Maybe it was the pressure to keep up in recruiting. But I was wrong.

The PAC 12 shifted about a week ago, and they're all in. Where Colin was right? I've been a huge fan of Jason Tatum of the Celtics. In fact, a year ago, there were stories out there that the Celtics should trade Jason Tatum to the Pelicans to get Anthony Davis. And I said, I wouldn't do that. And I got nothing but flack. I said, Jason Tatum's long, can shoot threes, can put it on the deck.

He's a great teammate. He's been huge as a 20-21-year-old in big playoff games. This is a star. This is a top five player in the league. What are you guys talking about? He's averaging right now 24.7 rebounds. He's 22, and he's shooting 40% for threes. Well, this weekend the story came out.

The Celtics are going to give him the max. I've never understood the critics. And they're not harsh critics. because everybody likes him. To me, this is the future of the NBA. Long, athletic, puts it on the deck, can shoot threes, can defend, can run, can score and transition, he is coachable. When you're popping in the NBA at 21 in playoff games, like taking over playoff

games at 21, I'm done arguing. You're a star. Where Colin was wrong. I love the idea by the NBA to have a first round World Cup stage, but maybe that's my affinity for soccer and Adam Silver. four groups, five teams. Lakers play everybody in their group two times, the Rockets two times, the heat two times, the jazz two times. No, I got turned down.

So I guess people want to watch a seven-game series against the Lakers in Memphis. I think the first round of the NBA needs to be totally reworked. The numbers illustrate, people are frankly, they don't see it as competitive sports. They see favorites dominating in four to five games over underdogs. World Cup stage, it has no life. Where Colin was right? After the match with Tiger and Phil and Peyton and Brady, I said, you know, the next

great match is Steph Curry against Michael Jordan and golf. And lo and behold, the next day, Phil Mickelson said, you know what I think would be great? Steph Curry against Michael Jordan and golf. Now, Curry is the better golfer,

according to people who know, I made a call on it this weekend. Steph can really golf. Michael Jordan's reputation of a golfer's very good, and he plays a ton. But I think this would be new school, old school, and I think this format, if you get the right mix, is really interesting. Where Colin was right? The ridiculous hype for Joe Burrow continues. He's a good prospect. But Kurt Warner said last week, I see me in him. Okay, so now it's been Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,

Kurt Warner, and I'm not joking, LeBron James, who Joe Burrow has been compared to. Folks, he's got an average arm and struggled badly as a junior at LSU still surrounded by all that talent. He's a good prospect going into a brutal situation in a defensively loaded division, and he is going to struggle mightily. He's as a prospect good. He is as a prospect not. Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck.

He's not. It's getting silly now. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. You and I, we were talking about this last week. There's a handful of programs. Even though they're college programs, they feel a little bigger. The Miami Hurricanes, USC, and Texas. And maybe it's because of Miami, Los Angeles and Austin, Texas,

which is a food and a music mecca. Austin, Texas, to me, is the best college town I've ever been to. I've been to it a handful of times and I've had just so much fun. And I think they're brewing something really special. But I think it's hard because the reality is there are a lot of people in the SEC and the Big 12 recruiting their players. USC now, they're going to Texas to recruit their players. The coach is Tom Herman of the Texas Longhorns, and he is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. You know, Coach, I saw your quarterback this weekend, Sam Ellen Ger, and he's always reminded me a Tebow,

that there is a spirit with him when I watch him play. I watch how his teammates react to him. And he went on his Instagram this weekend, and he talked about racial injustice. And it didn't surprise me at all, how passionate he was. you deal with him every day. The fact that he would speak out is, I felt watching and I thought, well, this is who he is, because this is what I see when I watch him play. And if you can share your relationship with him and what kind of kid he is.

Yeah, I appreciate you having me. Yeah, he's different, you know. There's a tear, if you will, of great leaders that I've had the, ability to coach, you know, J.T. Barrett at Ohio State is in that tier. Landon Roberts, our starting middle linebacker at Houston, Greg Ward Jr., our quarterback at Houston, going back to my days all the way back at Texas State, Barrett Neely, at Rice, Chase Clement. But Sam Ellinger is the best I've been around. And I think it's because, well, one, I know it's because his actions do a lot of the talking for him.

but too, he's just so relatable to every demographic, every person in that locker room. They don't just respect him, Colin, they like him. And you don't have to be liked to be a great leader. But when you're respected and liked the way that he is, that's something special. Coach, right now, the concern I have is, are your athletes in shape? When they go to practice, can they work on their own? are they working collectively? As the coach, the mentor, the leader of Texas football,

where are we at the shape of athletes today going forward? Well, I don't think it'll be nearly as good as it was in years past. But I also remember a time not too long ago where these young men would finish their finals in May. you'd hand them a workout and say, hey, guys, I'll see you back first day of training camp. And you expected them to go back to their hometowns and to work out and stay in shape. And you would have a conditioning test when you got back. And so that's the way it was done in college football for 100 years. So I think we can do it again.

You know, our guys, the Big 12 has decided we can let our guys back on campus and work out in our weight room, supervised by our medical staff and strength staff on the 15th. The week prior to that, on the 8th, our guys will be given a battery of tests and blood work and COVID-19 tests, the whole gamut. But to expect them to be as in shape on June 1st as maybe they would have been in years past, I don't think anybody expects that, but I do know that for 100 years, You know, college football found a way to get played with its participants literally leaving and going home for two, three months over the summertime. People may not know this.

You were Joe Burroughs biggest advocate at Ohio State. You convinced Urban Meyer to figure out you had to borrow a scholarship and find it. You said, this kid's good, he's special. And I love stories like this. And you fought for Joe Burrow. Now, we all know Joe Burrell. Go back to what you saw that other coaches did not see. Wow, how much time you got?

You know, and I did catch the last part of your segment, the last part of the last segment, and I respectfully disagree with you. I think that Joey Burrow, I still call him Joey, because that's what I recruited him as. And, you know, I think Joey is, as competitive of a human being as I've ever met. You know, I remember his junior year.

He won the Gatorade state player of the year, but not some other state player of the year award. And he was legitimately pissed. He's like, I'm going to win it as a senior. I'm going to win every award I can as a senior and we're going to win a state championship. And so the competitiveness was one thing. The leadership, the way that he won,

worked, his work ethic. And, you know, that speaks volumes to, you know, his parents, you know, Jimmy and Robin, you know, his dad, he's a coach's kid. And anytime you have an opportunity to recruit a coach's kid, especially one at that position, they usually turn out pretty well. And Joey's got a great future ahead of him. I will tell you this about Joe. really cool story, Colin, about the kind of human being he is. He got drafted with the first overall pick. I never had an opportunity to coach Joe, but we got to know each other quite a bit through recruiting

and we've stayed in touch over the years. He got drafted with the first overall pick. I mean, what a momentous occasion in his life. And I texted him, congratulations that I was proud of him. Within an hour, he texted me back, how appreciative he was of me and my support. I'm just telling you that that's not normal. That's not normal for a guy that just got picked with the number one overall pick

to respond to a text from a guy that never coached him. You know, within 45 minutes, it spoke volumes to me about his character, too. Tom, Texas is a top five to top six job in this country. and you just rework some of your coaching staff. Do you feel pressure? Can you sense it that people now say, hey, Tom's got his guys, Tom's got his recruits, Tom's got a win. Do you sense that pressure this year?

No. You know, I say all the time, you know, pressure is that uneasy feeling that you get when you're unprepared. And nobody is going to have higher expectations of our program than we will internally. And so whatever the expectations are externally, I can assure Longhorn Nation that our expectations are higher internally

than they've ever been. I think, you know, we have had this season circled a little bit, obviously prior to the global pandemic to where, you know, some of our, you know, top five recruiting classes are now third year, second year guys in the program. And, you know, we've got a senior quarterback that's as good as there is in the country. We've got a left tackle that was part of our first, our transition class. That's if he has the year that we think he's going to have, he's got a chance to be a first rounder.

So we feel like we've been building towards this year and beyond. but to feel pressure, no, I don't. I feel the weight of the expectations internally every day on this job and every job that I've had. You know, it's interesting between COVID and the protest this weekend. Parents across America say, Tom, you get my son. And you are, you're a mentor. you're a leader. There are times where you could almost feel like a surrogate parent. That is an incredible responsibility as a college coach.

And when you watch stuff this weekend in America and what different communities are dealing with, how does it land for you, coach? Heavy on my heart. I can tell you that. I grew up the only child of a single mom. My dad died in a homeless shelter when he was 52 years old. And I say that to tell you that coaches raised me, and it's the reason I got into this job, was to have an impact on young men's lives the way that coaches had on mine. And to see the pain and the struggle and the fear, the confusion on my players' faces.

We had a three-hour team meeting this morning, Colin, right before I got on. So if I seem a bit emotional, it's because I am. We've got to find a way to stop. We've got to find a way. The thing I told our players is this cannot be like it's always been, which is a young black or a black man is unnecessarily killed by a white police officer, two people in our southern United States.

you know, shoot and kill an unarmed black man and we protest and we riot. And all of that is great. And the voices are being heard. And there's there's vocalization on Twitter and, and Instagram and all of this. And two weeks from now, three weeks from now, a month from now, a year from now, this has to have meant something. We have to have affected change by not just our words, but our actions. We talk, you know, I ended our meeting with our players, a very emotional meeting. And I say, guys, we talk about it in our program all the time. Don't talk about it, be about it.

And now more than ever, our society needs a systemic overhaul. And it starts with the way that minorities are treated implicitly and explicitly. in this country. And I told our players, I don't, I don't have their back. I got their front. You tell me what to do. You tell me what wall to run through. I'll run through it.

I'll make a hole so big that you guys can walk through it. Because that's how passionately we feel. Because when you love somebody, the way that we love our players, and you see them hurt and you see them angry and you see them frustrated, much like a parent, you want to take. all of that off of their, off of their heart, and you want to put it all on yourself and, and be there for them and provide some guidance for them. And so, you know, hopefully us here at Texas, you know, we won't be forgotten in our message

on this topic in a short few weeks. Hopefully we as a program and our individuals within our program can can help, you know, truly affect real change in the system. That was great. Thanks, Coach. Thank you. Thanks, Colin. Want more herd?

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To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes,

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Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Greg Jennings is a Fox Sports NFL analyst. he also calls Minneapolis home. He is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Greg, I want to start with a story I heard over, in fact, I heard this, I think, Saturday or Sunday, that your wife owns a boutique in Minneapolis. And, you know, I saw the footage like everybody else. You stepped in, you sent your wife home and you said, I'm going to watch the shop.

and if you could take us from that point forward, Greg, what transpired? Yeah, so I send my wife home. I'm sitting in the shop to the wee hours of the morning just to be a deterrent. Had a couple of my buddies, not security, just my friends come down with me that wanted to stand and sit in the shop with me to be a deterrent. and what went on and what was transpiring as my wife and I were making the transition. I mean, we saw a car backed into another boutique, a store across the way and just emptying it out. All acts very unfortunate, obviously stemming from what the cause was.

And that was the wrongful act of a law enforcement officer on George. Floyd and his life being taken. And that's the story. That's the big picture. That's what's awakening everything and igniting all of these actions. However, those who are acting emotionally and their ties and relations and how they decide to respond is, is whatever it is that they want. Do I agree with all of it?

No. am I in alignment with all of it? No, but I understand it all. And I just decided to go down and to not allow my wife's store to be a part of what could have potentially been. And unfortunately, there were stores around her that were impacted in ways like that. You know, Greg, I'm not sure if I've talked to you about this, but I've talked to a lot of African-American athletes in my life and coaches. And, you know, I'm having coffee or, you know, I would go out or whatever. And I ask them, I say, you know, about life situations that I don't deal with. And I've said this, and I said this earlier today, and I got kind of emotional about it. I said, you know, in America,

we don't like bullying. We don't. We open up our checkbooks. We open up our heart. We do not like to see people bullied. Anybody. And black people in America are saying increasingly, we're being We're not being treated fair by law enforcement. And so I'm going to ask a personal question. And in your life, have you dealt with situations with law enforcement anytime being pulled over when you felt you were unfairly viewed, targeted, or treated? Absolutely. On a handful of occasions, with just it being myself, with it being myself and my brother

alongside me, with it being my family. with it being my family in the car and I'm driving an RV. There's been several instances that I can relate and recall. And I'll give you this, Colin, this is the problem. And this is what happens when you do get pulled over. You go through this roller coaster of emotions. Anxiety hints you. Your heart palpitations are just literally outside of your chest.

but as a man, as a husband, as a father, as a black man, your pride then wants to take over and mask all of that. And so you don't want the officer walking up to you feeling as though he has put fear in you. When the reality of it is, that's what happens. And you don't want to show that. So a lot of people react and respond in different ways. Some feel like, you know what, I'm not going to just let you talk to me or do anything that you think you're going to do or you've come here to potentially do. Others have responses of hands on the will. Yes, sir, whatever you want, I'm going to comply and do.

And it shouldn't be that way. I should be able to have a conversation with someone who is in a uniform that has been sworn to oath to protect me and to keep me from harm instead of inflicting harm. on me. And as a black man, when we get pulled over and when we see situations like what happened with George Floyd and the many others, Trayvon Martins and all of these individuals that have been victims to this type of act of law enforcement, something has to be done. And it's becoming too much of a perpetual thing, which is why we see the reactions of so many in such a variety of ways of display. And it will continue to be like that until voices like yourself, voices like mine, unite,

and continue to push and say things that need to be said, have uncomfortable conversations to eliminate and to tear down the injustices that are taking place in our society and within our communities. So you protested this weekend with your wife and two daughters. And I was interesting. And again, I am so incapable of, I'm asking questions today. I have very few strong statements. I know my voice does not resonate as yours does or Chris Bruce Sard's does.

Or coach Tom Herman, frankly, came on an hour ago and was magnificent. But I had conversations with my daughter this weekend. and we were sickened by the video, and we talked about perspective. So when you're walking with your wife and your daughters, again, this is a personal question, but I think it's fitting here. Your daughters, what are they seeing? What are they asking dad? What do you feel as you're walking your daughters?

To be honest, a lot of emotion, Colin. I told my daughters after we were down at the rally, and I'm sorry. Not okay, man. I said something to my daughters. I said, you know, I want to say something to you, but I don't want you to become afraid. And I told my daughters, I said, the way your dad is viewed as a threat. I said, honey, if you just pay attention to how people walk by and perceive. your father and the looks that they give you, it's almost a look of fear. And I am the furthest from

acting in a harmful way to anyone. You know me. And it hurts. And for us to be seen and for myself to be seen and many other black men and just black people as a whole to be seen as a threat because of what we look like, because of our skin, I felt like I had to do. And tell my children that real reality. And we've talked about racism. We've talked about our skin color. We've talked about being proud about it. But there are sometimes that there are words that I can't teach them. And there are experience that can only teach you and to have things truly resonate. And I will sit here right now and tell you because of what has transpired. And God knows, I wish it would have never happened. I wish all of the acts would have never happened.

and all of these things that we're discussing that surface every time one of our own is, is, is, is, is, it falls victim to police brutality or whatever the case may be. It's, it recalls and it causes us to remind and reflect on each and every incident that has happened. And so for my daughters, I want them to understand that just because it happened then, doesn't mean it has to happen to you. There is a change that you can make. There's a decision that you can make. And there's a stance that we will always take.

Regardless if it continues to happen, regardless if it stops, we will always persevere. That's who we are as a people. That's who we are as a family. And that's who I'm raising my kids and my daughters to be as young women. When I watch the loss, and I'm just speaking from a Los Angeles perspective because I watched local, you know, Los Angeles news. I saw 99% peaceful protesting and diverse crowds, young, old, white, black, Latino, all through Los Angeles, overwhelmingly peaceful. And then there's troublemakers who I thought were a separate group. They didn't feel like the protesters.

They were just a separate group. I said earlier, I don't want people to get twisted. That's what I saw. Protesters, pain, loud, hurt. And then separately, younger people that were there and part. part of chaos. Did you at any point this weekend during the march feel optimism or hope that it was resonating beyond you and your family and the people in your community? Did it ever feel hopeful to you this weekend? So for us at the rally, the one thing that I walked away feeling

like was, and I told this to my daughters, is there's power in words. There were some people who said things, who spoke at the rally, that it really, I believe, penetrated every individual that was there. For whatever reasons that they decided to come out and support, the words of many have great impact and lasting impressions. And for me to have a platform and to not use it, to have a voice and to not speak, I could not do that. Now, it may take someone time to figure out the words to share and what they want, but just collectively use our words.

This is the tool that we have. What I'm speaking with right now is the only tool that I have that can project light or darkness. It can build or it can tear down. And regardless of which way I try to, which one I express, someone's going to either jump on board and someone's going to have to fix it. If I decide to use my voice to tear down, someone's going to have to then come back behind me and use their voice to build up. And that's what I saw. I saw a common collective voice in a message that, yes, this is wrong.

But there has to be something and there is something that we can do as a people that can potentially change this. And that is get up and vote. That is fill out our senses. That is all the things that we as black people, yes, black tend to not overlook and think that my vote or my assistance in this signing this petition, it won't matter. It does matter. Every voice matters. because who I can reach, I can reach. And who will lend an ear to my voice because they look at me and they say I can relate to him, I can connect with them. But who then you can reach, Colin, I can't reach.

But they will listen to the same message that you will provide them that we're collectively sharing, but they share a likeness that I can never share with them. but we can share the same voice in the same message and impact the masses that way. So that's what I heard. That's what's hopeful. That's what's promising. Yeah, and that's why it's important for people who don't face 24-7, 365 days a year injustice have to speak, myself included.

You're great, Greg. I appreciate you sharing personal stories and anecdotes with our audience. and I wish you and your family the best. You know what I thank you and you're terrific and I want to thank you for coming on the show today. Absolutely appreciate the time, God. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind

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