The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Jun 22, 2020

Episode Date: June 22, 2020

Dak to sign franchise tag, does that mean a long term deal is close?Jamal Adams is the exact kind of player you should payThe incident with Bubba Wallace shows NASCAR needs to flush out some of its fan baseColin Kaepernick's protests didn't bother as many people as we thinkWhere Colin was right, where Colin was wrongGuest: Drew Bledsoe, 4x Pro Bowl QB Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy and I were traveling all weekend long. She was in Miami. I was hanging out with my kids in Vegas. Joy, how are you? I'm great. A nice weekend. Happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day to you, Carl.

Thank you. I saw a picture of you and your brothers. Yes. In Miami. And by the way, they got all the height in the family. Yeah, I was going to say. We got a lot of stories to get to. I'll have some thoughts on Bubble Wallace,

that situation with NASCAR that is troubling. But I want to start with two stories here. So, Dak Prescott plans to sign this morning a franchise. tag, a franchise tender. Now, what does that mean? That simply means he can't hold out, and he still has a month to work in a new contract. Now, I've been saying this for 18 months. I'm over this story. Pay him or don't? And I've argued he is the perfect franchise tag quarterback, where he feels like he's 12th, 15th best quarterback in the league, but if you pay him a big contract, are you tied to that and he's overpaid? And, you know, I've always felt the same with

Dak. The things I like about him really aren't the football things. His His arm is average. He's an athlete but not great. But the leadership, the toughness, you know, that's stuff I like. But it's interesting. I've been told he's going to sign a deal. And I keep saying Dallas pays everybody. Where's the deal?

I'm not so sure he is. So last Friday I did something with him. I said if you could just get the opinions out of it and you could create a data point on wins, playoff, wins, production, and availability. And you looked at Dak Prescott, where should he be paid? No opinions. 10th and wins, 13th playoff wins, 13th production, tied for first in availability over the last four years. And that makes him the nine and a half highest paid quarterback about Ryan Taneyhill, $29.5 million.

But I thought to myself, because I think we all think he should deserves more than that. I thought to myself, okay, let me get a comp for DAC because there are a lot of people that are upset. Dak deserves it. And I'm like, all right, let's get a comp for him. And there's a really good comp. Kirk Cousins. So Kirk Cousins, like Dack, was drafted in the fourth round. And Kirk Cousins, he didn't get a play initially because Washington drafted RG3,

then that fizzled out, and then they put Kirk Cousins in. So Kirk Cousins, you forget this, finally allowed to start third year. His numbers are really good. He goes 9 and 7, 70% completions, 101.6 passer rating, 29 TDs, 11 picks. Those are big boy numbers. And he didn't have Dax's offensive line. So he goes 9 and 7. So the franchise, right?

Like the franchise. And he's like, hmm, I'm pretty old. So they say, give me an ear ear. So the next year he comes out. And he goes 8, 7, and 1. By the way, they lost 4-1 possession games and tied one. He could have very easily got 11 and 5, 10, and 6. Goes 8, 7 and 1.

He puts up good numbers. Completion percentage close to 70. Passer rating like elite, like Pro Bowl level. and they franchise tag him. Now remember the franchise tag then was 19 million. Now it's almost 31 and a half. Were we outraged by Kurt Cousins? Not really.

I was and I was like, I like him. I'm not giving him a five-year deal. In fact, when Minnesota signed him, I'm like, that's a lot for Kurt Cousins. Kirk Cousins was Dak. Except Dak has a better offensive line. You could argue, Dax got better weapons than Kurt Cousins.

And back then it was 19 million. Now it's almost 32 million. So the point being, if Dak gets a contract, I'm good with it. But I would argue Dak and Kirk cousins are mostly the same guy. Now, I like Dak more slightly. I think Kirk throws a better ball. He's a better thrower, accurate thrower. I think Dak's a little tougher, a little more athletic.

And I think they both have nice leadership skills. I'd take Dak in big moments over Kirk. So I like Dak more than Kirk. But my takeaway on this, it's the same dilemma with both. there's a bunch of old quarterbacks in the league that appear to still be better, and there's a bunch of really good young quarterbacks in the league that appear to have a higher ceiling than Dack and Kirk. And with both, I feel the same way. I mean, if you give them a deal, it's not going to crush the franchise.

You could certainly make arguments statistically productivity. They've earned it. But with both, it kind of feels like, man, there's old guys that are still better. There's a bunch of young guys that look like they have higher ceilings. Do I want to pay my guy top of the market or near it? and he kind of feels like B, not A. So whether Dak gets it or not, there can't be any real outrage for it.

This is Kirk Cousins. And nobody lost any sleep over Kurt Cousins. And I like Dak more than Kirk, but not a ton more. There's a way bigger gap between like Mahomes Lamar and Dak than Kirk Cousins in Dak. So the issue in a salary cap league is, I can like a guy. but to pay him top of the market in any position, I got to love a guy.

And I don't love Kirk. I don't love Dak. He did sign the franchise tender, meaning he's got now about three weeks to get a long-term deal potentially. I keep being told he's going to get it. But if not, he plays for $31.4 million, which I have always felt is closer to his market value. All right, this story. New rule on the show.

from this point forward on the show, I don't do this very often, new rule, if a team drafts you anywhere, first round, six round, and within two years of being drafted, you are arguably, or maybe even not the best player at your position, just pay the guy. Just pay the guy. So the Jets draft Jamal Adams. He becomes the best player in the league at his position. and suddenly that's a problem. No, no, no, no, no.

That's what you're hoping for. So, Jamal Adams was driving around this weekend, and he was in Dallas, a cowboy fan. I think he was in Dallas somewhere. So here's the piece of audio we have Jamal Adams brings up wanting to play for the Cowboys. Hey, what's up, bro? Hey, you coming to Dallas?

Okay, just a new rule. The whole point, people say, well, he's a safety. And I thought about it this weekend. Well, safety has to matter because they drafted him with a number six pick. Wait a minute. So the Jets were telling you, we need a safety. And you got it and he was great. And now you're saying, well, he's a safety.

Nobody drafts a punter in the first round. Nobody drafts a kicker in the first round. When the Colts drafted the best offensive guard in the last 20 years in college football, everybody went, a guard in the first round, you drafted him six. So you can't tell me now it doesn't matter. The other thing businesses do all the time, and I've dealt with this in my career. They go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're setting a precedent. Jamal Adams is the precedent.

If Marcus May of the Jets came in and said, I want that contract, you'd be like, no, thank you. No, no, you can go to the Bengals, we'll trade you. Like the new rule on the show, when Zeke came to the Cowboys, he not only could run, not only could catch, he was one of the top five blocking backs. Just pay him. I don't care about the position. The whole point of the draft is, especially when you're drafting guys' first, second round,

you're drafting pro bowlers. So if you outperform your contract, and they thought Jamal Adams would be good, did anybody think he would be arguably, arguably a top seven, eight player in the league? I honestly believe, I've said this before.

He's one of the top five to seven players in the NFL. But let's just stop the whole point of the draft. and a lot of guys underachieve. When you go to the first round, that means this is a position of need. Nobody's drafting punters there. This is a guy we're hoping is a Hall of Fame level talent. And if he not only is a Hall of Famer, but it doesn't take him any time to develop.

Like Jamal Adams has been great by like his seventh game in the NFL. Just pay him. I don't want to hear about precedent anymore. Listen, you have to make exceptions for exceptional people. Kyle Shanahan. And I know there's no salary cat with coaches, but he had three years left in his contract. San Francisco's like, we're going to tear it up and give you a new one. Kyle Shanahan has a losing NFL record.

Now, think about that. He's got a losing NFL record. And the Niners are like, we ain't letting this guy get into the market. We're just going to sign him up. Now, I know it's coach. But they made an exception because Kyle Shanahan is exceptional. Oh, by the way, in the last four years, I looked it up. Jets have drafted one player who began a pro bowler.

It's him. I don't want to hear about precedent. I don't want to hear about exceptions. Do it. And this idea that he's a safety. No, he's not. The more I think about this, he's a linebacker. They put him at defensive end.

He's a football player. And he's by far and away the Jets' best football player. And he's by far and away the best football player at his so-called position. Just pay him. You know, I went back and forth on this the last month and a half. I'm like, you can do either way, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, stop, stop, new rule. I don't want to keep flip-flopping on this. New rule.

I draft you. You're the best player in the league at that position. I don't care about how many years left. Front offices, figure it out. Oh, by the way, you're still not paying Sam Darnel for two years. Figure it out. Pay him. Keep him.

All right. Disturbing story in NASCAR. And many thoughts on that, Colin Kaepernick. Brett Farves on his side now, which is driving some people crazy, which is why I think I'm becoming more of a Kaepernick fan. All of that coming up next plus Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, Doug Gottlie, this hour too. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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He's never wanted to be political. Great driver. It was very, very good in the truck series. And then they moved him up in NASCAR where he's been fantastic. He will, in my opinion, become much more popular immediately. They don't have the video yet. The FBI is involved. This is a death threat.

That's why the FBI is involved. This should be treated as a death threat. I don't want to hear about anything else. That's how it should be treated. And to the fullest extent of the law, Throw the entire book at whoever did this. It is gross and it is frightening. NASCAR should thank itself that Bubba Wallace is uniquely qualified to handle this.

He is a real grown-up. In fact, he never really got into politics until recently in Atlanta there was a race and somebody in his crew kneeled. And it moved him. And he said, you know, it's time maybe we talked about this stuff. He is the future of NASCAR. noted, young, qualified, and tolerant. And if NASCAR's got to get rid of 15 to 20 to 25 to 30% of their fan base and bring in people who understand the world we live in, I am all for it.

NASCAR, again, is incredibly lucky that Bubble Wallace is uniquely qualified to handle this. I have never wanted to find a piece of video more in my life. This is why we have Black Lives Matter. This is why we have protests. This is why we'll keep you updated on this story. I think, I think, first of all, NASCAR, to its credit, immediately acted, swiftly acted, and appeared to be really ticked off. But to me, NASCAR has gotten old. The audience has gotten old.

Maybe it's time to flush a little bit out. Maybe it's time for 30, 40 percent new drivers, new people. and some new fans who get the new world we live in. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. And in fact, one of the things that was never discussed about the ratings when Kaepernick played, they were down that year, 8%. Oh, that's funny. NFL ratings were down 8% that year.

College football ratings were down double that. I'm reading it right now, 2016, CBS. SEC down 10%. ABC 18, Fox 23, ESPN 6. What's funny, Kaepernick didn't take a knee for college football. So why were the college football

ratings down way more than NFL? I thought it was Kaepernick. Donald Trump was running for president against Hillary Clinton, who at minimum is polarizing. So you had the most polarizing Democrat on the face of the planet, Hillary Clinton. You had the most

polarizing human ever running for President Donald Trump. And the NFL ratings were down the Kaepernick knee year, 8%. Not 18, not 28, not 28, not 48, no 48. Eight. Studies indicate men watch two things on cable TV, sports and politics. So as Fox News, MSNBC and CNBC's ratings went up 100%. Football ticked down. Most of us are grownups.

Even if we agreed or disagreed with Kaepernick, we still watch football. Brett Farve this weekend thinks Kaepernick is going to. and go down like Pat Tillman as iconic. Here's Brett Farr. You know, I can only think of right off the top of head. Pat Tillman's another guy who did something, you know, similar. And we regard him as a hero. So I assume that hero status will be stamped with Kaepernick as well.

It's not easy for a guy his age, black or white, Hispanic, whatever, to stop something that you've always tried. dream to do it and put it on hold, maybe forever for something that you believe in. This just drives a lot of people crazy, mostly conservatives. Oh my, I can't believe. Folks, Nike didn't sign Colin Kaepernick because they thought he would tank their business. Nike stock is up 20 percent, shoe sales are up in a bad economy. The thing was always loud voices.

Studies show that people watch football. Just think about this. In the most polarizing election, I'm 55 years old, of my life, Donald Trump and Hillary, it was like beyond ugly. Ratings for all the cable news stations exploded. And the NFL was down 8%. That's it. College football was down 16% that year.

They didn't have a Kaepernick story. The elections, destroyed college football ratings and hurt briefly the NFL's ratings. Here's another thing that nobody wants to admit with Kaepernick. Most of us, and I've said this before, I'm not a big fan of people bringing their politics to work. I said this about Kaepernick. A, I think you should keep your activism. There's plenty of time for activism and there's plenty of platforms for activism.

If I have activism, I don't do it on this network. I do it on Twitter, Instagram. There's a lot of platforms for it. Be that as it may, you can disagree with me. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just my take has always been. I wouldn't bring a picket sign to Fox. I could do it outside the building.

I could do it in my neighborhood. I could protest. I'm not a huge fan of kind of using your work for your activism. But a lot of people disagree with me. But the idea that it just blew the league up is a bunch of nonsense. It is a most people can handle somebody having a different opinion, even if you don't like their opinion. Joe Rogan said something this weekend about Joe Biden and masks.

He was talking about you shouldn't wear a mask. They're stupid. I totally disagree with Joe Rogan. I think you should wear masks. I think if everybody wore masks, we'd have a football season. What worries me is you guys won't wear masks. But I can disagree with Joe Rogan. I'm okay with it.

I totally disagree with him. I think he's totally wrong. But I can still listen to his podcast if I feel like it. I'm a grown up. I can handle a different opinion. What's interesting is, if you go back to the Kaepernick year, to prove my point again, because again, if you just want to be right and use your agenda to prove you're right, college football was down more than the NFL with Kaepernick.

Why? Did college football get bad? No. It was Trump and Hillary. But what was funny about the NFL, the minute the election was over, the NFL, the NFL ratings were down in September, October, early November. Then the election was over. And after about two weeks of Trump, you know, being polarizing, December and January, oh, the ratings in the NFL, they weren't down as much. In fact, the Super Bowl that year was the fifth highest watch Super Bowl of all time. You want to? want to be right, run the Twitter. Want to get it right? Listen to our show.

But the idea what Farve said this morning is remotely controversial. There's nothing controversial about it. If you politically have a point of view and you want to, you know, you got an axe to grind or you want to prove right. Go for it. That's fine. But if Kaepernick comes back, it's not going to massively dent the ratings. I do think there's two or three percent of people that'll just say no. But I also think in November, Donald Trump,

is trying to get reelected. And if the ratings go down again, it won't be a Kaepernick issue. It'll be a Donald Trump issue. And they'll go down in college football and they'll go down in the NFL. And then by December, they'll go back up.

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That's Joy Taylor. All right. every week I do this. Colin right, Colin wrong. I'm both often. Here we go. Where Colin was right. Jack Prescott signed a franchise tag. Now, he may get a long-term deal, but I'll believe it. When I see it, I keep being told by everybody.

He's going to sign a deal. I think, well, they paid everybody else. When they're going to sign him to a deal? I think this is his value. I think 31.5 million bucks. It's a lot of money in the state of Texas for a young man. Now, earn, deserve, blah, blah, blah. Doesn't mean he's not going to get a long-term deal.

And my guess is, with Mike McCarthy, He's going to be better than he was with Jason Garrett. And at the end of the year, you're going to go like 96 quarterback rating, 68% completion percentage, a nine win team, and they're going to give him a deal. But until they give him a long-term deal, I'm right. This is what I predicted. If they wanted to pay him, they would have paid him. And $31.5 million, that feels like to me very close to his market value.

Where Colin was wrong. Okay, 11 days ago, I made a bold prediction on this show. Here it is. So I get, what time is it right now? It is 10.35 Pacific. So by 1035 Pacific on Saturday, we'll have a deal done. Yeah, that didn't happen. And we still don't have a deal done.

And my sources were not great on that. Major League Baseball does not have a deal. It does feel like it's getting close. But I think even diehard baseball fans, I mean die hard. People that have defended it, despite its issues for years, are over it and are embarrassed by it. We're going to have a season. It's going to be really, really, really short.

It's going to feel different. I'm all for it. But at this point, I think even diehard baseball fans have to acknowledge. This has been really a bad look for the sport. Where Colin was right? So PFF, Pro Football Focus, came out with a study last week. And it rated the best quarterbacks in the league on non-first read throws. This is when stuff breaks down.

Russell Wilson was the best quarterback in the league miles ahead of Aaron Rogers, who I've been saying for years, Russell's better than Aaron. But look who else is on the list. Carson Wentz and Jimmy Garoppolo. In fact, you can make an argument. These are five of my top six quarterbacks in the league. Garoppolo is not the system quarterback you people are claiming.

When the first read is not there, he is top five in the league. And Carson Wentz, despite all the critics, top five, and that is with offensive line and wide receiver issues the last two years. where Colin was wrong. Fox bet last week said Bill O'Brien's the worst coach in the NFL. In fact, he's the only coach that hurts you. You'd be better not having a coach than having Bill O'Brien. He's minus points.

I'm going to defend this guy, but maybe I've got to, I'm just seeing something, four division titles in six years. He won a division with Brock Osweiler. I could just end my argument right there. But Fox bet now, and they're not trying to win an argument. This is all about, like, analytics. they have Bill O'Brien as the worst coach in the league. He's 9 and 2 against Doug Marone,

and Doug Maron is rated significantly higher than Bill O'Brien. And he's nine and two against him with several different quarterbacks. I think he's a good coach. I think he's a lousy GM, but I'm in the minority. When I watch Houston Texans games, they are inconsistent. I'm not saying he's a top five coach. I'm not saying he's top eight coach. But I don't see a team that's uncreative.

I don't see a team where the best players don't get the football. When I watch their games, the best offensive players, players get the football. I thought he was very successful considering the Joe Paul Sandesky mess. I thought he was very good at Penn State. I'm in the minority. Where Colin was right. LeBron James runs the NBA.

Several players for the last two weeks have debated Kyrie Irving, Dwight Howard, Avery Bradley, the importance of not playing in the NBA. Then Patrick Beverly came out with a tweet last week and said, LeBron want to hoop, we hoop. Absolutely. Been arguing this for years. He is the gravitational center of the sport and should be. He is well-versed on politics.

He's well-versed on basketball history and culture. He's well-versed on media. He's always prepared. He is not perfect. None of us are. But LeBron James has made everybody, including Adam Silver, millions and millions of dollars. And if LeBron wants to hoop, we are going to hoop.

This has never been a league. where the Orlando Magic mean as much as the Celtics or the Lakers. It's never been a league where Judd Bushler means as much as Magic or Michael. It's a star-driven league and he is the gravitational center of the sport,

not Kyrie Irving. Where Colin was right? Kyle Shanahan got a new contract extension and here's why I'm proud. We all thought he was a good coach. But a year ago, before last year, I said, I live in Los Angeles and I like Sean McVeigh.

But Sean McVey is not the best offensive coach in his division. And I said this as Shanahan was losing and McVey had just gotten out of a Super Bowl. I said, this is the best offensive coach in football. He is. This is the Niners have secured Kyle Shanahan to now he's got six more years left. It's one thing to say he's good. We all thought so. But you go up 15, 18 months ago, and I swear to God, if you had a

cup of coffee with Sean McVeigh. You got a job in the NFL. And I kept saying, I like McVey a lot. I think he's really good. He's not Kyle Shanahan, proven again this week. Where Colin was wrong. Well, Alabama, I've been banging on Alabama for years because they play a cupcake schedule year after year. And Nick Saban, after about year or three at Alabama, decided I'm not going to go on the road and ever play anybody that you've heard of. Give Alabama credit. They went out in the last couple of weeks, and they are scheduling Big Boy football games. home and home with Texas, Wisconsin, Florida State, Ohio State, and Notre Dame. Now, my guess is Nick Saban will not be around for the Ohio State and Notre Dame games,

but nonetheless, I have clobbered them forever for manipulating the schedule. Everything is like a neutral side at a conference. They won't go on the road and face a big dog. They won't. Georgia will go to Notre Dame. LSU is always willing to go on the road. Alabama isn't, but to their credit, they stepped up. I think the win, believe it or not, is not just for college football, but for Alabama.

It lets credibility to Nick Sabin's legacy because the one knocking it right now is he has ducked opponents. You can't say that anymore, especially in the next three or four years. Where Colin was right? A lot of critics on Lamar Jackson, and I didn't know if he'd make it, and I'm surprised by how good he's been. But even after last year, there's critics, and he did something again this past week, which I just love. He's never passive aggressive. He just tells you exactly what he thinks. And he said last week, yeah, I overlooked and we overlooked Tennessee.

He's also the kid that said, yeah, I listened to all you guys that said I wasn't a good enough thrower and I worked on it all offseason. And he also came out and said, yeah, everybody said I was a little skinny, so I went and put weight on. How many young people will go out and acknowledge, I not only listened to the critics, but I literally worked on what the critics said I needed to work. on. This is why I like him. It's not just that he can run around. The reality is it's not passive aggressive. He owns his crap. He owns his weaknesses. He confronts him. And this is why I think he's special. He came out and acknowledged. We'll overlook him. Just flat. We just flat overlooked him. It's a very rare quality for a young person to be able to go, yeah, I needed to work on this. I needed to work on that. I needed to work on this. And I heard the critics

all three times. Where Colin was right? This is the rightiest one in the history of the show. About five years ago, the Jets drafted second round Christian Hakenberg, Penn State. Nice kid, nice family. I said at the time, it's the worst draft pick I've ever seen. He cannot play in the NFL. He struggled in college.

He had 48 touchdowns and 31 picks in college. He completed 56% of his throws in college. And I said, this is not a bad draft pick. He cannot play in the NFL. He is not an NFL quarterback. Last week he quit football, he's going to play baseball. I wish him the best. He's probably a great kid.

But I said it at the time. This was not about like, you know, I'm not sure he'll play. I said it at the time. This is an NFL football team that literally didn't do their homework. You could make five calls around football. None of the guys I liked it. They're all like, no, he's just not, he's not accurate enough. He's a big, great high school stud, but he doesn't move well.

He doesn't need not accurate. Again, good kid. Last week, he quit football after never really playing. All right, there you go. Oh, look at this. Coming up next, this is interesting. Drew Bledsoe, my guy, was recently in a Browns quarterback's Zoom meeting with Baker Mayfield. Do you know what I had last Thursday night?

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I'm not a big wine drinker. We had a glass, and my buddy said, can I take it home? So he literally grabbed the bottle and ran out of my house and took it home. So Drew Bledsoe, the winemaker, the quarterback is coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind.

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Oh, my God, look at this. I'm working, Colin. I'm working this morning. Talk about trolling people. So now this is Drew Bledsoe's winery, which is a stunning facility. You've been in the wine business for how long, Drew? 13 years now. Started in 07, if you can believe that.

It seems like yesterday, but yeah, I'm kind of an old dude in the wine industry now. And you weren't, you didn't get it to be a celebrity wine. like this is a highly rated wine. In fact, you told me the first seven, eight years, you didn't make a penny. Right? Yeah, no, no. It took us seven years before we started making any money at it. But we've got our own vineyards, we've got our own facility,

we've got our own farming company. I mean, we're kind of a real thing now. And thankfully, we've got an amazing team that's kicking butt for us and making great wine year after year. You know, it's kind of like playing quarterback. All those guys do the hard work, and then I get to stand. It's kind of cool. Double back, by the way, is the name of the wine.

Okay. So I want to talk about the adjustment period for New England, and this is not a shot at New England. But I said this was an organization that had a couple of Super Bowls, but they had a losing record going into Brady. He created this sort of unique kind of vision of what the franchise is. And I think it's going to be a real adjustment period, not just football, Tommy, but leadership, Tommy. I'd like you to address those thoughts. 100%. It's going to be a huge adjustment.

You know, Tom, and it's kind of funny, call them, when you think about it, you and I are a little bit older, but for some of these kids that have been drafted the last four or five years, Tom Brady has been football to them since they started watching football. I mean, they're 20 years, and you've got guys that come in the building that are 21 or 22.

They've never seen an NFL game or an NFL season where Tom Brady wasn't like the marquee, you know, quarterback. And so just the fact that it's there and walks into the room with some of these young guys, all of a sudden everything takes on a whole different level of seriousness. And then on top of that, you know, his work ethic, which is, which is, you know, well known and that leadership that he supplied and not having that there, it's a big, big change to that organization. They're going to have to be some guys that step into that leadership void and really try to carry that that, that load, you know, for the Patriots. And then, you know, I do think, though, that with

at Stidham, who I think he's going to be a good player. But you also, you go back and you remember, you know, Tom's first few years, this wasn't the aerial circus where they're throwing it 40 or 50 times a game. The first few years that he was starting, you know, they're playing defense. They're running the ball and they're taking care of him, not putting an undue share of the burden on him to carry the load like he did later in his career. And I think that'll be the case with Stidham as well. Early on, I think they'll take some of the burden off of him and, you know, try to make things

easy for him early. And then if he shows that he can carry that load, then they'll give him more going down the road. But it's, you're right, it's going to be a big adjustment for everybody. Even as just a fan, it's going to be different, right? And watch the Patriots. You have somebody else playing quarterback for the first time in 20 years. It's pretty crazy. It's interesting. I think Tom's going to flourish in Tampa, but here is my only concern. It is very easy to find a guy that's intense. Tom Coughlin comes to mind. Take a really intense guy and tell him to chill out a little. It's different to take a very relaxed chill guy and tell him you need to be intense. New England is the epicenter of intense football.

Tampa Bay, Ebor City, Cocktails at Five, has always been sort of a loose, fun organization. Tommy's going to take that intensity. Could it be problematic that it takes a while for everybody to understand that you live in the facility for four months? you know well first of all you know there are these different cities where where where these teams exist and boston is maybe the most intense not just football but sports in general i had to learn that came from a little small town in eastern washington all of a sudden it gets slammed into boston you know where sports is religion you know out here it was you know sort of something you did if you nothing else was going on out there it's they live and breathe it so the city you know that's

different but if you're playing a professional sport and especially if you're playing football if you're not showing up every single day with great intensity, ready to work hard, bang heads, you know, all of those things, then you're in the wrong profession. So let's start there. But then with Tom, he brings so much credibility, you know, to that organization that he's immediately going to elevate that within the building. What they do when they leave at the facility might be a little different, you know, leave the facility and go to the beach. That sounds pretty good. I never got to do that, you know, there's a Buffalo. Got to go to Dallas, so at least it was warm. But once you're in the building, you better have that intensity already.

And then with the credibility and the work ethic and all the things that Tom brings, I think it's going to elevate things for them right away. I want to talk about Baker Mayfield. You were on a Zoom call last week. And everybody thinks I hate Baker. I've said he's a franchise quarterback. He's not, he probably wouldn't be a guy. I put my arms around, but he's got talent.

And I did think he was, I thought the coaching situation last year was not good enough at the NFL level. I just didn't think it worked. I do think he's going to have a very solid year. But again, I think his ceiling is much lower than a lot of other people. So you're on the Zoom call. Why were you invited? And what did you make of it? So their coordinator for Cleveland for the Browns, Alex Van Pelt,

he was a backup quarterback with me in Buffalo for a couple of years. We were also drafted the same year. This good story. I won't take a bunch of time. But I turned 21 at the scouting combine. And Alex was drafted the same year. He's a couple years older. So my 21st birthday was in Indianapolis at the Hooters in,

in Indianapolis with Alex Van Pelt and Gino Toretta. So Alex and I go way, way back. Okay, so, but, so Alex invited me to come sit in their Zoom meeting. We talked a little bit of football. He wanted me to talk some Red Zone stuff with him, and then he wanted me to talk a little media stuff with him, but then the rest of it was just telling a lot of old war stories. But one of the things that Baker has going for him, though,

is that Alex Van Pelt is an. outstanding football coach, not only X's and O's wise, but he played the position for a long time. And I tell him, I give him great respect because he played quarterback in the NFL for like 10 or 11 years with really not very much talent. I'd like to remind him of that. I do think he's kind of a proud of it. Yeah. Kind of a short guy that couldn't throw it real hard, but he played for 11 years. But one of the great assets that Baker is going to have, though, is he's got a guy that's calling plays for him that not only understands the X's and O's, but he understands everything else that goes into playing quarterback.

You know, Alex was, he was in Buffalo with Jim Kelly. Then he went through the Flutie and Rob Johnson years. And then we were together for the while. He's seen the ups and downs of playing quarterback in the NFL. He knows how to help a quarterback. He was really helpful for me just as a back of quarterback. He was almost a coach on the sidelines. So that's going to be a big asset for Baker going forward.

And I also think they've upgraded our offensive line. They've done some good things in the offseason to build from the inside out. You know, a year ago, we got all excited. because they had all the bells and whistles and all the fast guys and all that stuff. But you and I both know that true football organizations are built from the inside out. And they address some of that with their offensive line. I think he's going to have a really good year. I think, you know, I know you follow him on.

He's the only one you follow on social media. He's the only one you follow my social media. I spend a lot of time on it, Colin. Yeah. You got to follow me. Come on, but. But I think Baker is going to be really successful. I think he's going to surprise a lot of people.

By the way, so do you have a camera guy there? Is this your own phone? No, this is actually a camera. I'm at the winery. We've been doing so much Zoom stuff now like everybody else. We decided to get a little more professional here. Last time I was down on the cellar today, it's so beautiful out. I figured I should sit outside and drink some wine while I talk to you.

So it's called Doubleback Winery. It is the cab is, what are you drinking right there? It is great wine. This is a 2017 double back cab. the best wine we've made so far although the stuff that's in the cellar may be better from 18 but yeah our team's continuing to get better and better at everything they're doing

and we've made some good wines in the past but I think our best wines are still ahead of us which is pretty accepting Phil to say All right one more question. Dak got franchise tag now he still has a month to work in a contract but I do think here's my theory on this if McCarthy wanted to give him four years McCarthy would go to Jerry and say, if he was Patrick Mahomes, you'd be like, get him a four-year deal. Let's lock him up. Is it possible? McCarthy just doesn't know him and is a little reluctant on getting tied to him for his entire Dallas contract?

You know, that's possible. I think there's a component where they may want to date for a little bit before they get married, if you will, you know, rather than going into an arranged marriage and, you know, seeing if it works. I do like this move for DAC, signing the franchise tag. First of all, you know, these, these rookie contracts in the NFL, I mean, it's millions of dollars, but it's not forever millions of dollars, but, you know, franchise tags 30 million, I think now. You know, so this is not chump change. So for DAC, it's a good, puts him in a situation where he's going to be financially secure going forward.

It also gives him some negotiating leverage with the, with the, with the cowboys. But I think for both the quarterback and the franchise, it makes sense to get something done long term, gives you more salary cap room, gives stability. I really am hopeful both for the franchise. If I was putting on my Cowboys fan hat, I would be hopeful for the franchise that they would get a long-term deal done. And I really like that.

I really, really do. I think he's a very good player. And then all of the intangibles are off the charts. You know, leadership, availability, durability, you know, all of those things. I think the Cowboys would be smart to lock him up and I hope it happens for him. All right, doubleback winery.

We've got to make this a habit. This is from now on, this is where I want to do my interview. from. This is beautiful. Yeah, absolutely. Next time I'll send you some wine. We can have some wine together. I did this piece with Jeremy Schap, and his producer was pretty funny because we drank an entire bottle of wine during the interview. And the producers are like, yeah, I didn't know if Jeremy was going to make it through the rest of the interviews. Lower his chair. So, you know, I'd maybe get some, I send some rosé down for joy, and I'll

send you some cab, and we can get loose and have a real interview. That's right. Jeremy's a little bit of a lightweight. I can hand it. handle my red wine, not that like Jeremy. Good seeing you, buddy. Yeah, thank you, Colin. Good to see you, bud. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind,

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