The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Jun 26, 2020

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Friday. It is a wonderful day. We are now moving seamlessly into the summer. This is the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1 right here. Joy Taylor is joining me. We're packed today. Eric Mangini, Drin Dilfer, Jamal Crawford, Chris Boussard, Jason McIntyre. A lot of people today on a Friday. I barely have to work today.

A lot of interesting guests. Goulet is here as well. Joy, how are you? I'm great. Happy birthday to Shannon Sharp. He's not in studio today, but it's Shannon's birthday. It is today? Yep, it's Unks' birthday.

How do you know that? Oh, the Internet's. The Internet? It's really bad. That's actually, I'm very bad with birthdays, and the Internet has kept me kept me honest with the birthdays. Really? Like Facebook?

It's crucial. Congratulations on getting older, Shannon Sharp. It's a big milestone for all of us. He's one day older. Michael Vicks birthday today. Wow. Hi. Lots of FS1 family.

A lot of people getting closer to the end. It's great. So let me start with this. If you listen to me for any length of time, you know I bounced around the country. I grew up in a non-traditional childhood. We didn't go to church. I'm agnostic.

Don't have a problem being authentic about that. In America today, if you are willing to sort of evolve or change, you get called woke. And there are some people, I think, are a little wokey, but some of us are just more comfortable. Now, I'm not blaming you if you like comfort. Some of you have grown up in the same town. You've worked for the same company. You've been in the same zip code. You still hang out with your same high school college friends.

There is nothing wrong with that. That is not my life experience. I have moved for commerce, I've moved for opportunity, and a lot of you would go, oh, that's sad. And I'm like, I have so many cool people in my life that I would have never met had I not lived in Tampa, had I not lived in Connecticut. I never thought I'd live in rural Connecticut. It's fantastic. It's a whole new way of life.

I never thought I'd live in Los Angeles, Las Vegas. I lived in the Pacific Northwest. It's a total gift. but I'm not saying your experience is any less, but I don't think it's necessarily anymore. I've been given opportunities, met people, had great relationships formed that I'd never have staying in the same hometown. So I am really comfortable with change. And I'm really comfortable with cultural change.

Because I've always felt I'm a surfer, life's a wave. Just ride the momentum where it's going. I don't fight the wave. When I first moved to Manhattan Beach, I'd go down with a coffee to the pier. And I'd sit there 45 minutes every Saturday and I'd watch all these surfers on the waves. And the better the surfer, the rarely they jumped into a wave. They waited for the perfect wave. Why waste your time on a bad wave?

And so I think about this story this morning that Colin Kaepernick is drawing interest from several teams. Well, if it's interest from Doug Marone, I feel bad for him. If it's interest from John Harbaugh, good for him. What's the team? What's the coach? There's a big difference in a big gap in this. league. But a lot of this Colin Kaepernick story is about people that don't like change. And I'm really comfortable with change. Now, when Kaepernick first came out, my takeaway was, I don't know if I

like anybody in America, black, white man, woman, taking their activism to work. I would never bring a picket sign to Fox Sports or my former employer. So I said, you know, all these platforms, Nike, can't you take your activism? But I can certainly be argued out of that point. I think my point's legitimate. Others disagree. But here's the thing. All you, I'm going to protest, boycott people on this, you lost on the Kaepernick one. You just got to own it now. You got to own it. Like my dad had a drinking problem. He got over it for a while because he admitted he had a problem. The boycott Kaepernick crowd, you lost. How do I

know you lost? Because Nike used him and the stock went up. And according to studies, Black Lives Matter is supported by not only Democrats but conservatives. Yep, I read it this morning. Two-thirds of America support Black Lives Matter. That means some conservatives do too.

The NFL has gone back to Kaepernick, embracing him, meaning the boycott won't matter. According to a survey I read yesterday, and I don't know how much I believe in polls, but they're usually historically accurate. Donald Trump will be out in November. And oh, by the way, the boycott crowd with Kaepernick, for the first time ever in the history of television, O-OH viewers will count. What's that? Out-of-home viewers. Every bar in America now on Sunday will count toward our viewers and our ratings. That's never happened before. People are

suggesting the NFL will get an 8 to a 15 percent bump. So even if 15 to 20% of you left, it doesn't matter. Ratings aren't going down. You lost on this. I don't think you're all bad people, but I think certain people are just born rigid. They're born traditional. They're born in the same town, 40% of America never leaves their mom. They stay in the same area code as their mom.

I'm not saying it's bad. If you grow up and your family's got a lot of land or it's got a good business and you want to stay around it You got a lot of cousins close by. That's not my life experience. But I think it's very easy for me, and it has been, to move off stuff. I don't consider it necessarily woke. I just consider it like, here's a better wave. Let's jump on it.

Why fight it? But the boycott Kaepernick crowd, according to this story, Nike proved he's actually pretty good for business. And the NFL is going to prove this year, no one player makes us or break us. Peyton Manning retired. Brett Farr retired. Patrick Mahomes could retire tomorrow. You think Patrick Baum's going to ruin the league? It won't be as fun.

I hope he doesn't. Kaepernick was never going to make the league, and he was never going to break the league. And I said this the other day. It could have been this week or last week. I said, I'm boycotting the boycotting crowd on everything. Everybody's boycotting everything. Now, I'm a bad boycotter. I boycotted coffee, and two days later, I went back to drinking it.

I'm a lousy boycoter because I just like what I like. And I'm not going to let you ruin my life or politics change my consumption patterns. I'm not going to let politics and that TV host. I always laugh when people say, I won't watch that show. It's got Alec Baldwin on it. He's a liberal. And to that, I say, every show you watch on Netflix has been written and directed by liberals. It's Hollywood.

You do get they all live in Hollywood. Just turn television off, then boycott it. But if I have to lose 10 to 12% of my audience, you know what I do? I watch my numbers and my podcast ratings go up 10 to 12% a year. Who? Younger people. who sometimes just happen to be a little more tolerant. But the boycott crowd on Kaepernick, you got to own this.

You lost it. Nike, up. NASCAR ratings. Monday. Confederate flags gone. Up on a Monday. Three Eastern. It wasn't even on the day it was scheduled to happen. NFL ratings.

You're going to go up. Everybody's going to embrace him. The league's embracing him. Black Lives Matter, supported by 2000. third's Americans. O-O-H ratings. Up. Trump. According to polls.

Out. Sometimes you just got to admit. I know you want to believe, you wake up in the morning, you want to believe you're going to win all your arguments and all your boycotts and all your debates. You lost that one. All right. Yesterday, Brandon Marshall came on the show. Great wide receiver six-time Pro Bowl for the New York Jets.

And we got into some discussion about a bunch of different topics and he has great opinions. He's one of those guys that'll segue pretty easily into broadcasting. we started talking about Aaron Rogers and I was kind of defending Green Bay, the organization. And we were talking to Aaron Rogers and Brandon Marshall said this. It's too late. Come on, man. They should have won two Super Bowls in the last five years.

To me, Aaron Rogers is my favorite quarterback in the NFL. But you wasted this guy's career. You got one Super Bowl out of Aaron Rogers. Are you kidding me? It's too late. It's too late. Let me say this. It's interesting.

If you were to create the NFL today, There were no teams and no history. You do realize we would not put a team in Green Bay. There's 104,000 people. There's no owner. But like many businesses in America, it's been grandfathered in. In my childhood, and I count my childhood, I started watching TB at 7 to 8 years old in 1972.

First game I remember was Wilt Chamberlain wearing a headband for the Lakers against the Portland Trailblazers. The other game I remember was the 1972 Super Bowl with Yarrow, your premium of the Miami Dolphins beating of the Washington Redskins like 14-0 or 14-3 or 14-7 or something like that. I can name 90% of the players in that game, Jim Kick, Larry Zonka, Bob Greasy, Paul Warfield, Charlie Taylor, Billy Kilmer. I can name them all. Diron Talbert, Chris Hamburger, Pat Fisher.

I can go ours. I know, Goulaid's rolling his eyes at me. The first time I started watching TV was about seven to eight years old. And then if you go, the next 12 years old, then I'm 19 years old, you know, 20 years old. My childhood's over. Right now I'm going to college and stuff. The Green Bay Packers were atrocious for all those years. They were irrelevant from like 68 to 92.

They were just junk. We would never put them in the league today if you started over. But they've been grandfathered in. And frankly, we should look at the Green Bay Packers and marvel at how good they've been. They're the post office of professional sports teams. if the world there was never been a post office and all the forms of communication were available today nobody would choose the post office let's see i'm going to write a long letter that takes me a half hour then i'm going to grab a piece of paper lick it jam the paper in there put it in a stamp

either drive it to the post office or go to the mailbox wait for seven days until it lands somewhere they open it up and then they call me on their rotary phone that that's not the post office doesn't make any sense today. But it's grandfathered in. It's part of the country and some people use it. But it makes no sense. I mean, I can just put something on my door. UPS comes, boom, out.

FedEx comes, boom, out. Post office, Packers, you would not even create the post office today. You would not create the Packers today. I don't think Aaron Rogers has been underserved or overserved. I think the Green Bay Packers flourishing is a testament to their fans, is a testament to the NFL, is a remarkable American business story.

The fact that a team in a town of 100,000 people with no owner, lousy weather, bad free agent attraction, players have virtually no privacy if they play there, and they still get a bunch of good players and a bunch of Pro Bowls, star receivers, Brett Farb, and Aaron Rogers, and those guys re-signed there, stay there and they want to play there forever. Green Bay is a success story

if they finish the season. The post office is a success story if four people in America go to it today and my mom was one of them. I don't think Aaron Rogers has been underserved. I just think the story there is uniquely American. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

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Doug Williams, a coach, goes out and says, Dwayne Haskins, second year quarterback, Washington, last two years, nobody's been drafted

with more arm talent. So this has always been what is arm talent mean? Jay Cutler had a strong arm, but I always thought he threw a hard ball. It was hard.

He didn't always have good touch. Big Ben has a huge arm. But I always feel with Cam and Big Ben, big arms, so often the rest of, receiver has to wait or it's behind the receiver. It's never in stride. What does it mean? I'll give an example. So when I started out in this business 25, 30 years ago, in radio, voice mattered.

In fact, I was thinking of smoking marlboros and changing my name to Sky Bannister. And just, hi, I'm Sky Bannister and my hair is made of wood. And then I thought after about 10 years, voice doesn't really matter. And with podcasting, it doesn't matter at all. And with digital, it doesn't matter. Voice no longer matters doing radio. Are you compelling? Is your content good? Mark Levin does a radio show.

It's a conservative radio show. He's got an annoying voice. He's got a huge audience. It doesn't matter anymore. People are into content. They don't care about voice. But in radio, 30 years ago, you'd watch game shows and radio shows. It was bozzie.

Guy barfing on the mic. And it's the same thing. It used to be in the NFL. You had a big strong arm. But the game has changed. We don't have huddles. More of the decisions have been made at the line of scrimmage. The quarterback has more power than ever.

The receivers are more talented. There's more ad-libbing going on. And so when I think of armed talent, I think of do you throw a catchable ball? Is it in stride? Do you throw a soft deep ball with a feathery touch that drops down from the sky like Seattle's soft rain? do you throw a ball so you don't set your receiver up to get smoked? Now, Mahomes and Carson Wentz can throw it from different angles, but a lot of times with Wentz, it's behind the receiver.

Sometimes Mahomes isn't even looking at you and take big risks, which can sometimes get the receiver in trouble. Now, I don't like the term armed talent, but if I was an NFL receiver and you asked me, who threw the softest deep ball, the most catchable ball. Almost always a tight spire. I mean, we've all played catch before.

If Joy and I played catch, it's always easier to catch a spiral than a wobbly football, especially if there's any elements like rain or wind. It makes the wobbly throw. That's why Peyton Manning was very, very good in a dome. He never threw a beautiful football. I don't want a hard thrower. Kaepernick, Jay Cutler, Big Ben, Cam sometimes.

It doesn't feel it's hard. It's behind the guy. This is my, what I call arm talent, feathery soft on the deep ball. Receiver gets hit in stride. You don't set receivers up to get smoked. We make eye contact. You lead me regularly. Here's my guys.

When I watch NFL games, Russell Wilson, I think, throws the most catchable deep ball easily in the NFL. I don't think it's close. Brady and Breeze almost always. has hit a guy in perfect stride. I think Kyler Murray throws the tightest ball in the league. And I think Goff maybe second in the league in the deep ball. It is just, I mean, honestly, it's a down comforter. It's a pillow. To me, now, this will go out digitally and I'll get crushed for this. Because everybody's at, what about Mahomes? Mahomes is just the most talented person in the world playing

quarterback. He's got a big arm. He can throw it sideways. He doesn't look at you. But at times, he can be a little erratic. Sometimes the strongest arm in the league, Brett Farr, Big Ben, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz. That doesn't always mean it's the easiest ball to catch. And to me, this whole league is about what's the easiest ball to catch? Because if you can have all this talent. Now you're going to say, well, Mahomes did this and Mahomes did that. Patrick Mahomes is the most talented player. Like if you just said, if you were drafting a quarterback today and you wanted all the skill set, but in terms of easiest ball to catch, that's my five guys.

And Matt Ryan was really close. And I'll get crushed for that. Now, I will say this about Russell Wilson. I've never seen in my life a guy throw a more catchable deep ball. It is, you ever notice this with Russell Wilson? Nobody ever drops the ball. The deep ball. Nobody ever drops his deep ball.

It is just, he's just handing it to you. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. So here's a story that, you know, there's a reason I don't speak for this company. We got bosses that do that. Okay. If somebody wants to speak about this show, probably I should be the person to speak about the show, right? It's called The Herd and stuff. But I always think with the New York Jets, there are a bunch of disparate parts and disparate personalities,

and they're never kind of functioning on the same wavelength. So yesterday, we all know this Jamal Adams situation, kind of, you know, inflamed, right? So Greg Williams becomes the first team official to comment on it. What are you doing? It's like, Greg,

don't make yourself available to the press because you know what the first five questions are. And he wasn't too bad. He danced around it, but he used the word contract three different times, and he's got to handle his contract. Don't mess with a guy's contract. I've got his back on the contract.

Okay, this doesn't happen in New England. First of all, he didn't let his coordinators talk, not during a crisis, a flammable crisis. So in New York, you've got Adam Gase, who's polarizing. Greg Williams is outspoken and can't keep a job for more than three and four years. Sam Darnold's caught in the middle. Lavian Bell has a GM and a coach that will probably move them in a year. You got a great safety who's outspoken wants a new contract, and the GM doesn't want to give it to him.

And it's just like you got a GM who's cleaning up a previous incompetent GM's mess. And so I said this morning, Derek Jeter and Eli Manning were great. They talked every day and never said anything. There is an art in New York City to talking and not saying anything. So Greg Williams should have never made himself available on any conference call, on any Zoom meeting to answer any questions about Jamal Adams. And so I said this morning, I'm going to play Greg Williams. We're going to do fake, I have no idea what the questions are.

Joy is going to be an annoying New York beat reporter and is going to ask me a bunch of probing questions. And I'm going to pretend I'm Greg Williams. although I would have never made myself available to be asked questions about Jamal Adams, he's the first guy to talk about it, not the coach, not the GM, not the owner. So put the press conference, let's see if I can avoid. I'm going to be grumpy Greg Williams. You ask the questions. I'll see if I can avoid it.

Bill, New York Times, what are your initial thoughts on the Jamal Adams situation? The only situation I know is when he plays. He's great. Mike, New York Post. Should the Jets give Jamal a huge contract? That's not my department. There's guys upstairs that do that. They're called lawyers.

Sherry, Daily News. Hi, Sherry. You look a lot like Joey Taylor I used to work with. Yeah, I get that a lot. What do you make of the reports that Jamal doesn't get along with Adam Gase? I don't know. I get along with Jamal Adams. I mean, as a basketball player I played within 10 years,

I get along with him. I don't know. I mean, do you know who? gets along in every family and every company. I get along with him. I never heard that. Christopher from Star Ledger. How would you feel if the Jets traded, Jamal? I'm a defensive coordinator. I don't do contracts. I'm not a doctor. All I know is when I write my schemes up, he's everywhere I want him to be. Diana, Journal News, what's your relationship with Adam Gase? He's my boss.

My relationship is we have meetings on Tuesday and Friday and I submit to him my game plan and if he has a problem with it he tweaks it he's the head coach I'm a coordinator that's my relationship Marcus from Newsday

is Jamal now a distraction from the team how's he a distraction he's the best football player perhaps in our conference How is that a distraction? It's not that tough. One more. Joy Taylor, FS1. Oh, F.S.1.

Go ahead, Joy Taylor. Yeah. Do you think that the relationship with Jamal is beyond repair? Beyond repair? What's the repair? I have an incredible relationship. Every time I see Jamal Adams, we're smiling. It's not that difficult.

Just know when you go to a press conference, know the question that's going to be asked. We have PR people at my country. company. I don't, I turn down most, I'm not, I don't want to be interviewed. At this point in my career, there's no value in it. I mean, seriously. But if I get interviewed, I always say, what are the two questions I got to be prepared for? It's just like, just tell me what are they going to ask about? Like, I don't need to know all the questions, but what do you think they're going on this? Where's the booby trap with this, a blogger that wants to see me get in trouble?

And they just, stop talking, stop using the word contract. I got his back. There should just really be only one voice for any organization, especially when it comes to personnel stuff. I want to go to Eric Mangini, who's been a head coach a couple of times in his life, and he's been a coordinator joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. He's in like someplace called Cape Cod. Don't even ask me how the technology works. I don't even know how it works. Okay, am I simplifying it? First of all, if I'm Greg Williams, I'm not making myself available until this thing gets talked about.

second of all, am I simplifying what it's like to stand in front of the media as a coordinator and answer questions on a clearly flammable situation? Well, look, I felt like I was watching one of my old press conferences watching you there. And it doesn't always play well when you answer questions like that. And New England gets criticized all the time because they try to protect proprietary information. They try to make sure that they're not. not creating distractions, but it's not entertaining. And there's a lot of people that get frustrated with the fact that the answers don't just flow out of there. And it can be a pretty big negative

thing. And you just need to deal with the negative press that goes with that. Now, that being said, I don't think these comments were that bad, Colin, at all. And one of the nice things about being a defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator, position coach is you don't have to be the bad guy. You don't you don't have to play that role. What you do have to do is whether Jamal gets a new contract or doesn't get a new contract, you've got to get him to play at his highest possible level. And that's why these guys are going to try to promote the relationship as much as possible. And as a head coach, you're fine with that. You're fine with being the bad guy or the GM is fine with playing that role. And the position coaches and the coordinators, they have a different

luxury than you have and they need that relationship to be as strong as possible to maximize the player's performance. All right. So maybe I'm being too critical to Greg Williams there. Maybe I should have just kept quiet. A great job on your press conference. You're really nicely done. Your hair was disheveled too.

You played the part. Thanks, coach. So it's not just the Tom Brady topic. I want to talk about free agency. So Tom goes to Tampa. You have lost players to free agency. agency and you have gained them as a head coach and a coordinator. What's the most difficult thing about being a free agency and going into a new culture?

Well, you hope to get all the characteristics that that player demonstrated in his previous, at his previous team, but it doesn't always happen right away. I remember when we brought Steve Atwater to the Jets when I was there with Bill Parcells and I was working with the secondary, and Steve Atwater is, he's an incredible guy, an incredible presence. And it's not that he wasn't those things in New York. He just wasn't the dominant personality that he had been previously, because these guys are, and to some degree, Alan Fannick, or at the start, the same thing. These guys are guys, and they want to fit in. They want to show that they can be part of the organization, that they can be part of the locker room that they're

involved in. Now, ultimately, their great traits come out. It just may take a little bit longer than you as a coach and you as an organization wants it to happen because they're trying to fit in as well. You know, yesterday on our show, Brandon Marshall, very talented wide receiver came out and he said, you know, I think Green Bay has sort of wasted Aaron Rogers' career. And, you know, it was interesting. And I thought to myself, well, he's had five offensive linemen make a pro bowl some multiple times, six receivers become pro bowlers. So you can't argue, and he's had two offensive head coaches. So those are all above league averages for quarterbacks in the last 10 years.

His offensive line's been better than average. He's always got a star receiver, Jordy Nelson, Devante Adams. You know, his slot guy, Randall Kahn made a Pro Bowl, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver. When you, and I, at the comp, you know, it's interesting about, I mean, hell, Dan Fouts had a great coach. So did Dan Marino. They never won Super Bowls. What do you make about the argument many have made that Green Bay has, wasted Aaron Rogers' talent?

Well, then you could make that argument about a lot of situations. Has Drew Breez been wasted in New Orleans? Was Peyton Manning wasted in Indianapolis? And if you're looking at Green Bay, you could say that they've epically wasted quarterbacks because they had Brett Farr before they had Aaron Rogers. And he only won one Super Bowl. This is a really interesting debate because Belichick and Brady set the bar. have a great quarterback. And if you truly have a great coach, then six Super Bowls is now the bar.

And all these other situations where it's one Super Bowl or no Super Bowls and you've got Hall of Fame talent, has that organization wasted the talent? You have something that most teams don't get close to. And it's, it is a very, very interesting debate. Yeah. We were saying that this morning. Dan Marino had a Hall of Fame coach. no Super Bowls. Dan Fouts had a Hall of Fame coach in incredible weapons, and he didn't have a Super Bowl. And I consider those guys two of the top 12 quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life. So it is interesting. Now, you know as a former coach that you can't be a Puritan with NFL. Not everybody may share every value you have. Talent wins in this league.

Antonio Brown can be disruptive and there's things he's done as a human I don't like. but good God, for six years, he was Randy Moss. Baltimore, Seattle, or interested. Coach, if you ran the Seahawks or Ravens, would you roll the dice on him? Antonio Brown, what, 18 months ago, led the NFL in touchdowns, 15 touchdowns. The last time he played, he was explosive

and playing or coaching against him for years and seeing the things that he's able to do. he's an incredible talent. And there's three teams that have significant dead money on their cap because he's an incredible talent. Now, whether or not you can get him to Sunday is a big question mark. And whether or not he's going to be able to play and the commissioner is going to let him play, that's a big question mark. But all that being said, if you get him to the field, you've got something special.

And there's very few players like him. So I would imagine Seattle would take that chance. And look, Pete could make it work. Pete has made some players work that other people thought, you know, couldn't. Yeah. You know, finally, so we were talking about armed talent. And I said when I got in radio 25 years ago, people thought you had to have a great voice. I clearly disprove that.

So it's more about content now and what you say. And I've heard this talent. No, I think Patrick Mahomes is the best arm talent, sideways, arm-ass, angles, all that stuff. Carson Wentz is great. But I think if you're asking me who throws the most catchable ball, Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, Drew Breeze, Brady, Kyler-Murrier guys, the ball is just pillowy soft. I think Jared Goff throws one of the best deep balls I've ever seen for a young quarterback. So let me ask you as a coach. Is it arm strength? Is it touch? How do you fall on that stuff. Well, I'm a little bit more in line with you, Colin. I look at, is it a catchable,

catch a wall or not a catchable wall? And I've had plenty of guys with tremendous arm strength. And what happens is it's like that old saying, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And they can't put, they can't put any touch on the ball. They can't throw the short swing route to the back. They can't throw the shallow cross. It's either behind the guy or in front of the guy or bounces off his face mask. And arm talent, is another aspect of it where you want them to be able to make all the throws. But the question is, can he throw a ball that is catchable? And does he make the receivers work for the balls that they have to catch?

There's guys that can get it out in front of receivers and let him catch and run, where there's a bunch of quarterbacks where it's so awkwardly placed that even when they catch it, they just fall down. So to me, it's more what you're saying, is it a catchable ball, as opposed to armed talent or armed strength. Yeah. So you're out there in Cape Cod. That is, boy, I'll tell you, that's a ritzie part of the country.

Now, when... It's nowhere near the part of the country you live in college. I live in a small secluded grotto in a small little town in Los Angeles. Cape Cod is like the Kennedys and stuff. I couldn't afford a, like, a shack in that town. A bird bath. anything. Okay.

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I know Mahomes is some godlike super arm talent. I think it's touch, as long as you can make 95% of the throws. What do you make of the term arm talent? Well, I think I invented it, to be honest with you. I don't know if I invented it. I started using it on TV before. anybody else about 12 years ago because I was really frustrated with that conversation. I just left the league. I was evaluating college guys for ESPN. I was working with Elite 11.

And I kept getting these conversations, these archaic conversations with personnel people about arm strength. And I was like, I don't understand, you know, why arm strength is this big differentiator amongst quarterbacks. I just got done playing. I've studied the best guys. I played against the best guys. And it wasn't always their arm strength that differentiated them. It was so much. the other things about their talent. And I was sitting with a GM, a Super Bowl GM, and we're having this conversation.

He was challenged me on what is talent. As an evaluator, you're looking at talent, talent of an offensive guard, talent as a receiver, talent as a running back, talent is an NBA player, a baseball player, lacrosse player, soccer player. Well, talent encompasses all the different traits that that athlete has. And I said, what if we called it armed talent?

And by using the term armed talent, it's saying he has a lot of different talent within his arm. He can change the tempo on the ball. He can use touch. He can throw it deep. He can anticipate. He can change arm angles. And if we start using a term in evaluation circles of armed talent,

then hopefully people are smart enough to differentiate between strength, power, right? I love Mangini's example of the hammer, right? Or an encompassing talent that really shows that, wow, this is. I can do a lot of things throwing the football. That's what armed talent was intended to be. It's just been hijacked by lazy analysts that want to use a fit. Instead of saying arm strength, they say arm talent when that was never the intent. You played in Tampa Bay, and I love asking people who have played in Tampa Bay.

Yesterday, I asked Brandon Marshall about jet stuff because he's played there. I always thought New England's culture was academic and intense. I've always thought Tampa's talent was loose, too loose for my taste, not as urgent, not as intent, and not as serious. I don't worry about Brady completing passes. I wonder how his intensity will fit into the more relaxed Tampa. You and I were both there, into the more laissez-faire relaxed culture of Tampa. Do you think it fits?

Well, I agree with you. That is typically the Tampa proper mentality. think two things on this topic. One, you don't have a choice when Tom Brady is your quarterback. The edge of uncomfortable is where you find greatness. He's going to make everybody uncomfortable and because of that they're going to find their greatness. There's going to be growing pains in that. There's any pushback in that. They're not going to agree with his ways all the time. But guess what? You don't have a choice. You've got to jump on and follow him because he will drag you to a championship. I do think there's another element though, and you know this

about Tampa. There's another whole other part about Tampa and that's the East Coast migration. There are a lot of hard-edge, high-achieving academic, intense people that spend a lot of time in Tampa but aren't Buck's fans. I think now they will gravitate to the Buck-New mentality. They will gravitate to Tom Brady and his intensity, and they'll have a reason to be Buckingers fan because he relates more to their hard-edge mentality from these coats. Yeah. You know, yesterday Brandon Marshall said it's an interesting use of words. said the Packers have wasted Aaron Rogers' career. And to that, I would say, winning Super Bowls, there's no rhyme or reason.

Dan Marino and Dan Fouts and Jim Kelly were great with great coaches. They didn't win it. I mean, who can explain it? I like Eli. I don't know if he's two Super Bowls great, Eli, but he won them. What do you make of the word Aaron Rogers' career in Green Bay has been wasted? I think it's a little strong. I think you can use not maximize instead of wasted.

I think you have a generational talent, Aaron Rogers, one of the top five most talented guys that ever play the position. A very good leader or two, an intense guy, a hard worker, a tough guy, you know, has all the intangibles. And they never supported him with one other defining traits with the team. So they kind of put too much on him. I would argue the one common denominator in all these multiple Super Bowl winning quotes, quarterbacks is supported by a great defense or a great defensive coaching mind. I still believe defenses win championships and multiple championships. Yes, the game is changing.

Yes, you need to invest more on offense. I'm not arguing that side of it. But if you go down that list that you went through earlier, the common denominator those quarterbacks were supported by great defenses or a great defensive mind. And people never give the great 49ers teams enough credit for the defense of the ball they played. I grew up in the Bay Area, Joe Montana's epic. He's amazing.

So is Roger Craig. So is Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, Brent Jones. However, those defenses were suffocating. And it gave the ball back to Joe. Terry Bradshaw gave the ball back to Terry. Tom Brady, Belichick's defense gave the ball back to Tom Brady. Troy Aikman's defenses in Dallas gave the ball back to Troy Aikman. So I would say the big whiff in Green Bay was they didn't have the foresight to invest a lot of money into their defense.

I think they made some bad hires from defensive coaching, defense coordinator coaching positions. They should have supported Aaron better with the better defense. I don't believe in purity in pro sports. It's about talent. Not everybody's going to have my values. I totally get it. I just don't want them to be disruptive, but I'd roll the dice on some people. Antonio Brown, Seahawks, Ravens are mentioned.

Your thoughts? culture coaches in football. Two guys I respect as much as anybody that create a culture where you can be yourself in the locker room. Their players love them. They create competitive environments. You're free to, like I said, you're free to be who you are because of those teams thrive year and you're out. They can take on some risk, unlike other teams with bad culture. However, I know how talented Antonio Brown is.

I know what a difference maker is. But at the end of the day, it is not about Willie's and Jokes. It is about the holistic development of your organization from owner all the way down. And when you bring in that type of alpha personality with that type of baggage with his other issues just with the league alone, I don't even know if Pete and Don could absorb that type of risk. I don't know. It's really, to be honest with you, it's the only NFL narrative I'm following right now. I get all my NFL from you.

This is really the narrative that I'm paying attention to because it's fascinating to me if a team is willing to take on this type of risk. If you ran the Jets, would you trade Jamal Adams or keep him? What would you do? I'd pay him. I think he's a fantastic player if he's willing to stay there with a new contract. I actually like his personality. I like the edge he creates in the locker room.

I would do everything I could to keep him. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you're probably right. I said the other day, I have a new rule. If I draft you and you're the best player in the league within two years, I'll pay you early. Yep. That's kind of my role. Overpay them. Yeah. Overpay them. Yeah. Because that's the whole game here. You can overpay a guy like that and then have these less impactful negotiation issues with, you know, B plus players. But don't have them with your A-plus player.

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