The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Mar 10, 2020

Episode Date: March 10, 2020

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Let's start, though, with Dak Prescott, who we're getting closer and closer. Monday is the franchise tag deadline. There's all deadlines bring deals. You've ever heard that expression, deadlines bring deals. And whether it's the March 18th year-end, year-begin deadline, or this upcoming Monday, franchise tag deadline, deadlines bring deals. And Dak Prescott is going to get a new contract from the Cowboys. Like we have hypothesized over whether or not it would be a good idea for the Cowboys

to pursue Tom Brady. For the Cowboys, I've offered up the let him walk and draft, you know, trade up and draft Tua, figure out a way to get Tua there with a ready-made team with a quality offensive line. You've actually saved money in the end. But I'm also a realist in regards to, look, he's not. going anywhere. Eventually a deal is going to get signed. And I sat here yesterday

and Mark Schlerth, who I like, respect, admire, and understand he's been through this 10 times over as a player through three Super Bowl winning teams. He's like, look, in the locker room, you've got to get another dollar more than the other guy.

That's kind of forwarding the cause, which sounds great. But here's the flaw with it. Well, there's several flaws with it. You are worth what someone's willing to pay you. So if Jerry Jones says, I'm willing to pay Dak Prescott, he turned down 33, let's say $35 million a year becomes the asking price, that's what gets the deal done.

If Jerry Jones is willing to pay, that apparently is what he's worth. But you're also worth what the market will bear and what other suitors may offer. And this is where the cowboys, if they really wanted to, and again, I'm offering up to you that the likelihood of this is the 0.0001%, like death by bee stinging and shark biting sort of numbers per year. But does anybody think on the open market, Dak Prescott would command $35 million a year? The answer is no. The answer is no. That's why it's a business, but this is a very unbusiness-like decision. Because it was really a business decision.

You say, go ahead, Doc, go get an offer from somewhere else, and we'll see if we can match. If there was no salary cap, if they did not have the franchise tag implications, if he was actually allowed to go pursue whatever the biggest contract is, he's not really. And it feels like the Cowboys, who we've told you before, Jerry Jones is going to relent. that's who Jerry Jones is.

He's the dad who takes away the cell phone. No cell phone for two weeks. Then the very next night the kid says, but I can't do my homework without my cell phone because all my friends know exactly what we're supposed to do. Okay, here. Let's limit your screen time. That's Jerry Jones.

Many of you, I'm sure, his parents as well. But if Jerry Jones really wants to overpay for this fine, we have all been, I think many of us, If you've owned more than one home, not at the same time, I'm not talking cowherd type of, I have a home here, I have a home there. Hey, doesn't everybody have another home? No, I'm not talking about that. If you've bought a house, I'm pretty sure you've bought more than one, maybe more than two.

I'm not a 30-year fixed guy. No one I know lives in a house for more than 30 years, let alone more than five years. nonetheless, if you've owned a couple homes, you've probably bought a home where, you're like, man, why did I pay so much for this house? Well, see, the comps, the one down the street went for $4.50. And the one across the street went for $4.75. So your house went for $5. Like, yeah, except mine's not in as good a lot.

I can't actually sell it for $5. I overpaid because I was trying to keep up with the Jones and keep up with the comps in the market and now I'm underwater on a house. That's the Cowboys, right? That is what they're walking into. It's like we all know what they're walking into. Every single one of us.

This is not to tell you that Dak Prescott can't play. This is not to tell you that Dak Prescott is not capable of competing for and even winning a Super Bowl. I don't think Dak Prescott's the top five quarterback. Frankly, I don't believe he's a top 10 quarterback. He's somewhere in that fringe of 8 to 15, depending upon what's around him. He's not one of the elite guys. But I would also say that Jimmy Garoppolo's not either or hasn't shown himself to consistently be.

And he should have won a Super Bowl this year, right? Nick Foles, who's a career backup, who's gotten benched for Gardner Minshu, also won a Super Bowl. Like we could go through the whatever you think of Joe Flacco through his career. He won a Super Bowl. So we do in our mind think you've got to be an all-time great to win a Super Bowl. And history, especially recent history, doesn't always agree with that. Many times it does not. Even when Peyton Manning won his second Super Bowl, he was terrible his last year.

Nine touchdowns, 17 interceptions. The offense did nothing to win the game. Nothing. Special teams, defense won that game against Carolina Panthers. But it makes it prohibitively more difficult to have better players than the other team, to be better to lift up the quarterback if you're making top dollar. The stats are really, really simple one. The last 10 years, the guy who has taken away has the highest salary cap number in the NFL,

all been quarterbacks, eight of them haven't even made the playoffs. You've become so top-heavy. You paid so much for that house. you can't furnish the damn thing. That's what you're doing here. You're overpaying for a house because of the neighborhood you think it's in, even though you're like, yeah, it's really not that good a lot. It's on a main street.

And then once you pay that much for the house, are you going to be able to decorate it or redo it or repaint it or put in the pool? They're like, man, if this had a pool, that's what Dak Prescott is. He's the home that's on the right street that's got, all the right stuff. But man, you really need to add doors, windows, new floor, paint. And if you had a pool, it would be amazing.

But if you end up overpaying for the house, you ain't getting money left for all that stuff. And so you're just left with the house, which is fine, but needs to be redone and needs to ultimately have a pool for everybody to be happy. That's Dak Prescott. And those houses, if you bought a house before you're sitting there and you know what ends up happening after like a year of being. in it, you end up resenting the house. You can't even enjoy it. I'm speaking from personal

experience joy. This actually happened to us. So when we first moved to Connecticut, we bought a house. We liked it, but there was another neighborhood that was like, there's a river in between direct shot a mile away. We moved into the neighborhood, which fit us better. Like everybody had little kids running around or whatever. It was awesome. And the house was fine, but I overpaid for it. It wasn't, there's a bunch of things I, little things I didn't like. And so instead of enjoying that house, which is still a great house, just I overpaid for it, right? Instead of enjoying that house, I ended presenting that house. And I think we were there like two years.

We actually bought a house, six houses down the street, which was a better buy, like my favorite house I've ever owned. Did you have another option? Did you have time? Yeah. We just, we got into the, you know, you get into sort of like bidding for things and you're like, all right, yeah, we'll offer you a little bit more. Yeah, we'll offer you a little bit more. Like, all right, we're only going to sell our house on contingency. and then you start negotiating your own home, you sell your house, you're like, wait, I didn't

actually totally want that house. I just wanted that neighborhood and I just waited. Yeah, it was learning experience. But you have, I mean, Jerry Jones has done enough of these deals before that you would feel like if they would just have patience, ultimately, I don't know if you get your way. And some of this is the salary cap and the idea that you can franchise tag him. and if you really don't think a bigger offer's out there, you just, the basic franchise tag is like $27,000, $28 million. Look, I'm not disputing the fact that Dak Prescott has played for a sum of money that was less than what he should have commanded on the open market previously.

But that's not part of this calculation. That's, that, that, Dak Prescott being underpaid the first couple years of his career, being part of this contract negotiation to me is like when people say, well, LeBron should win the MVP because he's 35. Like, no, if he wins the MVP, it should be because he's the most valuable player in the league. Adap Prescott is worth more money than every quarterback in the league. It should be because he's worth more money than every quarterback in the league.

No, I agree with the LeBron sentiment. But for Doc Prescott, like from Dax's perspective, that absolutely is a thing. From the Cowboys, sure. Yes. Should it be a thing? For Dach? Yes.

I know what you're saying for him, it's a thing. And I know what you're saying for the Cowboys, is not. But should, if you were advising to actually be like, man, you should really hold that against them? Yeah. Yeah, I would. Why? Because he's done a lot of winning for them. He's kept the franchise stable, the biggest brand in all of sports, and he's been playing on a fourth round rookie contract.

Yeah, being severely underpaid, yes, I would use that as leverage for me. They may not care about it, and they probably shouldn't, because I do agree with you. But yeah, if I'm DAC, of course. Yeah, it's interesting because there's also the perspective of the money that he made outside of the Cowboys. He would not have made had he had the exact same success with any other franchise. Is that a fair statement? Yeah, but again, like they're talking, you're talking a small amount as compared to what

$100 million, $115 million guaranteed. Like he didn't make $100 million. But he wouldn't have, and even if he was on a rookie first round contract, he would not have made the money that he made off the football field with the Cowboys. boys. Right? Like we're we're thinking that he would have had a $100 million dollar contract. If he was a first round draft pick, he wouldn't

up. They only, sure. They only make like, I don't know, 30 or $40 million over the first four years of their contract, most of them. Right, but DAC hasn't made remotely close to that. He has off the field. Supposedly. Like, do you think he has an oinko's deal if he's a quarterback for anybody else? Yeah, maybe. Depends on how it goes. But look, I'm on DAC's side

in this whole situation. I happen from the beginning. I always want to know what the plan is, what's the replacement, and everybody can't be the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. It's a different situation than everywhere else. Correct. It's a different league playing with the Cowboys than playing with half the other franchise. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending. Opinions are flying. And and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. want in this world, like, we just want a sign. Like, I don't necessarily need, you know, need Jay Glazer to hint at it. If Jay Glazer says where Tom Brady's going, damn it,

that's where Tom Brady's going. Tom Brady might even know where Tom Brady's going. If Jay Glazer says it, I believe it. That's not a sign. That's just kind of a fact. That's written in, that's like spray painting something in Crylon. It ain't coming out. But all you want is just like, give me it, Tommy. Tommy, give me a sign. right? Blink once if you're okay. Blink two of Belichick's called you captive, right?

Blink three if you're going to the Raiders. Blink furiously if you're going to the Chargers. So I don't I don't think I know having worked in this business a long time. That stories don't just get out

because they leak out. Oh, here's a secret. Don't anybody tell it. oh somehow that secret got out like that's not the way it works in negotiation so what are the stories that we've been told right well yesterday i'm kind of working backwards joy shared shared with us the uh um what was it charlie weiss sound right charlie weiss had said that nobody knows nothing make sure and get that out there all right so no one knows anything all right i'll take him out his word, that we can't have any liens about Tennessee or any nonsense about where he's in the past. We do know then what has been leaked, and usually when it's leaked, is the Raiders, two years,

$60 million, which seems like a hefty sum of money for a 43-year-old quarterback, but it also seems like it was leaked for a reason. You would only leak the Raiders if you weren't going to go to the Raiders. You only leaked that sort of money if the negotiation was about on some level money. and the feeling that the Patriots weren't going to get to that number unless somebody else, kind of like we talked about with DAC. DAC is not a true free agent, so we don't really know what would be out there financially for him

for Tom Brady, two years at 30, seems to be a high asking price that the Raiders are willing to pay. All we wanted was a sign. And look, in terms of personnel, the chargers make a ton of sense. Now, some of this is I know more about this team than I do any other team in the NFL. They work out very close to where I live.

I know so many people in the front office. Colin and I talk about them like the only charger fan in the history of national sports radio, television. But they got dudes, right? Keenan Allen and Mike Williams, Austin Eckler, who just got re-upped. On the defensive side, Bosa, Ingram, Derwin James, loaded, and the number six pick in the upcoming draft. Personnel has not been an issue.

Offensive line has been, which they've slowly addressed in this offseason, they just had some weird things that go bump in the night, right? They drafted Forrest Lamp a couple years ago, and he gets hurt, never plays his rookie year. And so eventually his role, he'll expand his role, but they drafted Forrest Lamp instead of Patrick Palms. Quarterback situation would have been a little bit different. Anyway, all you want is a sign that Brady's interested, right?

And since he's not going to look at the camera, he's not going to blink furiously if he's interested in the Chargers, maybe this is one. Yesterday he opened, and I think Joy shared this story as well, 199 productions, 199 productions. It's a TV and filmmaking production company. He opened it in Southern California. Now, look, you can make movies anywhere, anywhere.

Goulet can tell you his home state of Connecticut. They offer all kinds of tax benefits, so lots of movies and films are filmed in parts of Connecticut when the production companies are in New York. Like, just because there's lots of production companies in L.A. that don't actually operate in L.A. I understand that. But is it possible that Tommy's given us a sign

that he's coming to the Chargers? Because then you start to kind of connect the dots. You're like, okay. The home in Greenwich, you know, that's close to New York, but he's not going to play for those teams. He's got a home in L.A. already. Right? All right. Production company.

She's a supermodel. Like, L.A. makes sense for her. LeBron just moved out here. Like, it feels like there's a text chain of like super, super, super, super rich, super, super, super famous people. And they're all like, so we're all eventually going to meet in, live in L.A. and live on the same street. And nobody will bother us, right? Like, yeah, it does.

It does feel it. Like, look, this is the David Beckham. David Beckham came to the galaxy to legitimize the MLS. And it worked. Tom Brady would legitimize the L.A. Chargers. It would get them into the LA market. It would expand his TV 12 brand. And it would fit with his TV and movie production company. Tommy, you're giving us a sign? Blink furiously. Blink, if the production company is a sign that you're coming to the Chargers.

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Kenny Atkinson lost his job over the weekend. It was kind of weird. Like their number seven spot in the east, which, granted, they're below 500. And I think it's reasonable to think they've been at least marginally disappointing this year. I don't know what you thought their ceiling would be. without Kevin Durant all season and integrating integrating Kyrie Irving to the team, it would, there would be some high highs and some low lows,

and Kyrie's been heard a good portion of the season, and he's out for the rest of the year. But as the report's surface, it appears that Kevin Durant is as or most responsible for going to management, going to ownership, or simply going to his teammates and saying, this guy, not the guy. Not good enough.

Not instilling a culture of winning. And of course, he coming from the Golden State Warriors, tell us more, Kevin. I know what a winning NBA head coach looks like. That ain't one. Take my word for it. There is a lot of irony in, Kevin Durant being kind of an ultimate decision maker, right?

One, you would have thought if there was a coach killer in that room, it was Kyrie Irving, not Kevin Durant. Two, didn't Kevin Durant kind of push back at Steve Kerr and his coaching and has even said as much that he wasn't as down with Steve Kerr as others were? And three, here he is commenting about a coach who he's never actually played a game for. I can tell you this guy's not good enough. Have you actually, I haven't played one game, you've played one game with him.

You don't know anything about playing for Kenny Ackinson. Well, I've watched. I've sat here and watched. This is the peanut gallery, getting the voting rights to the life or death of the guy who's in the center of the ring or on center stage. You know, you always knew Kyrie would be a difficult one to win over.

Kyrie has a reputation. But you almost feel like, you know, Kenny Atkinson on the way out the door can look at Kevin Oren and say Et tu Brutei, you as well? Really? Look, I don't know if Kenny Atkinson is good enough to be the head coach

of the Nets. And I do, you can take the word forward from players. You can't fool players. If you can't win over locker room, like here's the hard part in the NBA. In order to win over locker room, you have to win an NBA championship. In order to win a championship, you have to have one over the locker room, right? It's a

catch 22. But there is something to guys knowing this guy's got it, this guy doesn't. That's really kind of what Skip Bayliss has touched out, which has started this conversation about the Niners and Jimmy Garoppolo. No one's saying Garoppolo stinks, but man, when you miss Emmanuel Sanders by like seven yards, and that throw to Emmanuel Sanders, if it's short, it's past interference.

So you should either be short or at least hit him on the fingertips long. That's one of those. John Lynch has to be sitting up there in the box going, he doesn't have it. When the 49ers decide or look like they were going to decide to take a knee, essentially take a knee before halftime, much like the Jaguars did with Blake Bortles in the AFC championship game two years before, it's Kyle Shanahan saying he doesn't have it.

Guys that have it, of course you're going to let them throw. You're not worried about Pat Mahomes. You're thinking about scoring. Guys that have it, you just know they have it. There's that the genesis qua, the I don't know what?

What does Colin call it? The it factor, right? You either have it or you don't. So I do understand and respect like Kevin Rant's like, look, what are we doing? We're going to finish out the season

with a guy we don't really believe in. But the irony to a coach who pushed back on Billy Donovan because he wasn't Scott Brooks. He pushed back on, Steve Kerr, even though he won two championships there, and he's pushing back on a coach who he hasn't actually played a game for, strikes me as at least mildly ironic.

Then combine it with the fact that we all assume is Kyrie Irving, right? Oh, Coach Killer, Kyrie Irving. Had to be. Doesn't feel like a fun guy to coach. You combine that, and it's at least interesting, Joy, the news we're hearing out of Brooklyn. Again, I didn't have any expectations for this team this year. It's like you said, what did you think that their ceiling was? They don't have Kevin Durant.

So this is just kind of a year, right? Like their goal this year was to be stable, not be a disaster, obviously, but be stable and have the franchise in a good position going into next year to get Kevin Durant back. Yeah. It was out of sight, out of mind. But the, I mean, 1A to LeBron James, Kauai Leonard, best player in the league? Yes. We forget who Kevin Durant is.

No, no, we don't. We wonder what he's going to be like when he comes back. back. No, no. And look, to Kevin Durant and even Carrie Irving's defense, almost every NBA star has done this, right? Like LeBron has done this. He tried to do it to Spolstra. He did it to David Blatt. But

LeBron's not alone. Magic Johnson, was it? Paul Westhead was their first coach? Like, he was not down there. It happened with Larry Bird. You know? Your star players have to buy into what you're doing. Correct. And feel comfortable with the direction that they're going. And if it

feels dysfunctional, then people are not going to be comfortable. You're having to have team meetings to discuss what the plan is. That's not a good sign. But there's also the other side to it, which is, if Kevin Durant has an issue with Kenny Atkinson because he's not starting DeAndre Jordan because DeAndre Jordan's his guy, then you're like, really, that's, you know, the coaches, you would hope is going to do things which he believes are in the best interest of the team. And the other thought is, like, look, there's a chance that he's starting a younger player

because he believes that by next year when they are competitive, you need the younger players to be further along than D'Andre Jordan, who is at the end of a career, not at the start of a career. Well, I don't know what's going on in their locker room, but I would say from the outside looking game, when it gets to this point and there's this much tension, there's probably not a lot of great communication going on. Sure. Right. Anytime these situations come to a head, when you step every, steps away and the stories start coming out, it usually comes down to there wasn't really strong communication between the coach and the players of the front office and one of those

trifectives, something was broken. Because if that was the case, then that conversation should have happened with Kevin Durant. And if Kevin Durant really felt that strongly about it, then he would tell Atkinson, like, okay, but I don't agree with that. And moving into next year, what's the plan if he doesn't develop? Or just conversations generally solve most of these problems. No question. When you stop talking, usually relationships stop. I agree with you. And I'm not saying that's what happened or didn't happen. I don't know. But it's a reasonable assumption based upon. But I'm assuming that's what happened. Living on this earth for as long as you've lived on this earth, right? All relationships are in fact the same. I will put a period on this, though. I think we both agree. KD. does strike me as a guy who seems to just not be all that happy. He's a really hard guy to please. By his own estimation, like he's still kind of searching for something. And do we can? care that, like, as much as, well, NBA stars have to buy in, like, who is he going to buy into? He doesn't seem to buy into anybody. Like, how many games they have to win in Golden State before he buys into Steve Kerr? How many games did Billy Donovan have to win before

he buys into, like, he just, he kind of is unhappy unless he's, he's happy unless he's, he's unhappy. And then he's unhappy, but happy that he's unhappy. I mean, we know Katie has a unique personality, and so does Kyrie, but they want to play together and they want to win a championship and they both won championships. Yes. So, like, I'm going to, I'm going to lean towards the star players and the star players that also both happen to have won championships. Like, their opinion matters to me.

It's a fair way, fair way to look at it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise.

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What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out.

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It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reefi. and finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves,

I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. T. ball you see him on all of our shows and we ask him what's truly pertinent to a guy who um who grew up sort of in the area right barstow that's not really like you're you're the only guy who grew up further from l a that claims l a more so than paul george like he's palm dale you're barstow barstow barstow's halfway in between here in Vegas lakers or clippers who's your favorite now now yeah so not now it's always the lakers always i mean this entire year you thought the lakers were better oh I mean, my whole life, I'm a Laker fan.

Listen, I understand your whole life. Okay, now we're talking this year. The Clippers have an overall better team when you go player for player, but they have too many good players. I don't care what you say. I don't care who you say Doc Rivers is. When guys are used to playing and they get put on the bench, they don't take too kindly to that.

I want to see how he can navigate through that. That's tough to do. Correct, correct. Everybody says, listen, I'm a lot. minute I want to win a championship. You're like, okay, will you be in on winning a championship if all you get to do is wave a towel? No, no, especially when you're used to playing. Yes.

When you're just playing 18 to 20 minutes and in the playoffs, the rotation is eight or nine man and you're one of the two that are out of that rotation. You're not, I don't, everybody wants to win a championship, but you want to be a part of winning that championship. You don't want to watch that championship take place. All right, you're also lifelong Laker fan, which means you're a Kobe guy. is LeBron a Laker yet? Yeah.

Anybody that comes to the Lakers, in my opinion, and when you have as many options as LeBron had and you come to L.A. when we hadn't been to the playoffs since so long, and last year we were on our way and he gets hurt. And this year, Anthony Davis comes, and best record in the West is, yeah, he's a Laker. All right, fair enough.

Let's get to the NFL. You're the one who came on this very set. A couple weeks here, and you said, zero percent chance. Yeah. Zero percent chance Tom Brady returns to New England. You thought I was crazy when I said it, right? Do you believe it now?

No, look, do I believe there's a chance that he leaves? Yes, I would never go zero percent chance. I don't think, especially when there isn't one that you're like, that makes total sense. Because so much of it is about relationships, you know, position coach, head coach, coordinator. there's not like outside of Tennessee tell me the place where he has a relationship with somebody on the coaching staff let alone the front office so he's going to have to import all of his verbiage his entire offensive scheme to a new team in short order that that feels that doesn't feel like something that's done often especially to a guy who's been in the league as long as he

has two things is it will be give and take he will point out what he likes to do what he's done in the past the things and the schemes that he really likes and that coordinator for wherever he goes, they will also do the same thing. Now, let's go back to what you said earlier. He doesn't have to have a fit or a relationship. The Patriots have all but made their decision. When have we seen a guy that you really want on the market? If a team really wants you, they one, resign you or two,

why would I allow the clause to be in your contract that says we can't franchise you if we didn't want to move on? They're ready to move on. and that's okay but if they really wanted Brady they would have re-signed him during a season he wouldn't hit the market like he's going to hit here soon if the Patriots

really wanted him back yeah that that actually makes a ton of sense I do think though that there could have been a working agreement hey let's worry about that then we don't have to worry about it now it's a clause that he obviously wanted and maybe it's a clause that he fought for in an effort

to you know they wanted they wanted to give him less money So they're like, all right, you want to give me less money? Fine. I want to be a free agent at the end of this deal. I look at it is he's taking less. And people forget, I think everybody's on it. So Brady takes less.

Everybody, people forget Brady was the highest paid player in the league when he came up. Correct. But he is taking less. And you look at the skill players. Look at their yearly salary. Nobody makes big money on that offense. Nobody. Julian Edelman, I believe, was at seven on average,

seven and a half a year. They trade for a sinew. he's at six and a half of you. Everybody else is two to three, maybe four million dollars, the entire offense, skill player-wise. And so Brady's, where's this money going? So he looks at these other teams. Titans, look at their weapons.

The chargers, look at their weapons. The bucks, look at their weapons. And that's enticing. But you could, we'd also offer up that the, it's not that the Patriots haven't tried to go out and get him wide receiver help. At one time, it was Josh Gordon. It was Antonio Brown.

and they did trade for Muhammad Sanoo. Should they trade for Manuel Sanders? Yes, not for Muhammad Sanoo. That was a bad decision. And they drafted a first round draft pick. It's not for lack of trying. It's for lack of executing getting new skill position guys. That I agree.

Josh Gordon, he couldn't, he just couldn't abide by the rules. It wasn't going to happen. The A.B. situation, they stumbled upon that. They kind of got lucky getting A.B. Nikil Harry is the only one that kind of baffles me. if your system is that complicated where a rookie can't learn it, change your system.

Make it easier. Again, though. Make it easier. You're saying, but Chad couldn't pick up on the system. There's been veterans that have been able to get it either. But Chad not picking it up is that's, I know.

And so, but if you got guys, even Sunua's gone in there and said, man, the system is pretty hard. Right. Okay. So you're going to,

so, so if you shouldn't be that hard. Okay. But so by that, you think it's going to be easy for Tom Brady to do it one way he's done it. And then all of a sudden now, no one knows anything about what he's going to teach this entire team, his system. And that's why I say it's going to be some give and take. He's going to bring his ideas and a coordinator is going to have his ideas and we mesh those things and we form one offense.

Brady is smart. If you get to a team that has weapons, he's going to succeed. All right. So I offered up that if I were the Cowboys, I don't think Dak Prescott is worth over $30 million. guaranteed. Why are y'all doing DAC like this, man? Why? Do you see what guys are getting and you say he should take less than these guys? No, I think not more than 30 million. Again, what he's worth on the open market. Like that's the way true business works.

True. What will, you have to get an offer somewhere else, then come back to us. They're offering him this amount of money because of franchise or transitional tag and because, well, he wants what Jared Gough got. The Jared Gough contract is a bad, contract. Jerogov's not, we would agree. He's not worth that money. Jerigoff went to the Super Bowl.

He took the seams to the Super Bowl. Okay. So even if you think that Geragov's not great, that would be my second argument, which is people say we should make more money than Goff than Wentz. He's been as good or better. No, he hasn't. Wentz was going to be the MVP of the league. And Jerry Goff.

See, you can't do that. Why? You can't do that. Why? Wentz was. He did not. He didn't. I don't care what he was.

There's a lot of guys that were on their way to be in something and never did it. and never made it. Yeah, he got hurt. But if you look at win loss. Who's a better? No, who's the better? Don't do the win loss thing. Who's the better quarterback?

Carson Wentz or Dak Prescott? I haven't seen Wins throw the ball in person. And so I've seen Dak throw in person. I would have to see, like it's easy. Like people, coaches play a big part in this, play calls, the guys you're playing with. That plays a part in it. But I don't know who's a better quarterback. Looking at it, you would say Wince because he's bigger.

he has a better arm. He's a little more mobile than DAC is, but I don't see this. And you can't judge, you don't know what a guy has up here. And that's the biggest thing in sports so we can see the physical, but you can't see the mental.

All right, so if you're DAC, and they say, look, man, this is as much as we're doing, three years, 105 is the newest report. Well, we're going to franchise tagging. What do you do? And what's the total years on the contract? If it's a four-year deal, I take it.

Anything more than that? No. If it's four years, I'll take it. Just because if I'm going to take less guarantee money than two guys that I came out with and I believe golf got 110, why would I take less guarantee than those two guys? Now, golf was a first pick, Wynst was the second pick. If Dack was a third pick, do you not think the Cowboys would have signed them by now?

And so if he was a third pick of a draft, he would have been extended by now. Okay, but he also wasn't, and he fell into a ready-made team. You can't. Again, we're creating scenarios with, like, because the Cowboys got him in the fourth round, suddenly they have to overpay him in his next contract.

He made a ton of money off the football field. Why? Because he was playing for Dallas Cowboys. But see, you're looking at it subjectively and not objectively because when Tony Romo got hurt, that pretty much saved the Cowboys. Like, it could have been, he could have been awful.

sure and we wouldn't even be having this conversation sure but if you look at it objectively and you look at what he's done and you look at his record last year was not he went eight and eight and eight and eight and he still had the second most wins of any quarterback in his first four years behind russell wilson and he went eight and eight this year that has to mean something he went eight and eight in a division where the redskins were non-competitive the giants were non-competitive and when they lost to the eagles and they didn't score the cowboys didn't score a touchdown the eagles had uh practice squad guys out there scoring touchdowns but i will say this I'm not making DAC the highest paid quarterback in the league, but I believe... Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves,

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