The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Mar 26, 2020

Episode Date: March 26, 2020

The Cowboys have no safety net if they screw up the draftThere is a reason why Jameis Winston and Cam Newton can't find jobs and it's not statisticalScott Boras has the worst idea in the history of sportsSomeone finally does a mock draft that isn't terrible according to Colin Guest: Charles Barkley, NBA on TNT Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. On a Thursday, live in Los Angeles, this is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Greg Tooey, get over here. I can't hear through my headset. it. Sorry, we'll get through it. Joy Taylor is joining me in one hour from now. Charles Barkley

will be joining us in the show. I got to say, before I start the show today, one of the, Drew Brees and his wife, Brittany, just donated $5 million, $5 million to the state of Louisiana. And I don't know where you live, but I'm watching New Yorkers take care of each other. I'm watching people in California take care of each other. I'm watching people in Louisiana take care of each other. And there's a lot of negativity. There are channels dedicated to pessimism right now. I am seeing more thoughtful, kind acts by America.

You know, the duality of life. During dark times comes, you know, little moments and crevices of brightness and optimism. Drew Brees, just another incredible gesture. $5 million to his state. I mean, it's just incredible. I'm seeing this everywhere I go. I'm hearing it everywhere I go. Our health workers, God love all of you, and Joy Taylor's joining me today.

Joy, how are you? I'm great. Good morning. Hope everyone's doing well and staying safe. Yeah, I want to start the show. And we are loaded today. Charles Barkley in one hour from now. Can't wait for that.

He is fine, by the way. He had the flu. did not have the virus, had the flu, and he's going to join us. One of the things I do in life, it's a protective mechanism, is I save a lot of money. I did it when I didn't make any. I did it when I made some decent money, and now I make pretty good money. I'm a saver. And the reason I do this is because I believe in creating a life with a margin for error.

I do dumb stuff. I fell on my head. I gashed it open. I got stomach flu. I didn't eat. I fell over. I tipped over, bang my head. I do this. I've been in the hospital three times in the last seven years because I do something stupid. You know, I'm a risk taker. I'm jumping off bridges. But I have a life where I have a lot of margin for error and because it makes me less stressful.

If I screw up, I've got protection. I like that life. That's the life I like to live. I don't like the stress. I don't like the God I can't make a mistake. I put money away, a rainy day in case I get sick. I get ill. I have to help somebody. I have to help my family. And I've been like that since I got out of college. The Dallas Cowboys have decided, apparently, this morning, they're going to live a life with no margin for error. And I don't think this works in the NFL. A sport with regulated decreasing violence. People get hurt.

So the story today is the Cowboys have resumed negotiations with Dak Prescott. The Cowboys want a long, long, deal. That's how they kind of manipulate their salary cap. They give people longer deals. And he's going to make 30, 33, 34 million a year. And I do not believe that's what you pay Russell Wilson, in my opinion. It's not what you pay DAC. So now Dallas has to live a life, and I think it's a very dangerous NFL life, no margin for error. For the next three to four years, they're going to have to go into the draft and nail second, third, fourth, fifth round picks. They're going to have to come in and be starters soon.

They don't do that. By the way, their second round draft pick last year was Tristan Hill a defensive tackle. Appears to be a little bit of a miss. That's why they went out and got a couple of defensive tackles here in Free Agency. Their third round pick last year, it was a guard, got hurt, didn't play. Their fourth round pick, Tony Pollard, back up running back. He's fine. He's not special.

Their next pick was a cornerback out of Miami. He played in one game. That's with a bad secondary. Oh, by the way, Taco Charlton was their number one pick in 20. 17. That was a big fat miss. Dallas does not. Seattle does. Kansas City does. Pete Carroll does. Brett Veach and Andy Red do. They go and find great players in the third and the fourth and the fifth and the sixth round. Dallas doesn't do that. They're pretty good with their early picks. Toco Charlton, no, most of the time they are. But you cannot pay top dollar on the market for a quarterback, a running back, a left tackle, a

right guard, a defensive end, a wide receiver, and a linebacker. Because you know what's going to happen and it's incredibly predictable. Go ask the L.A. Rams. Once you have seven players top of the market, A, you get perilously thin. And B, you're generally pretty good early in a season, but guys get hurt and you start to erode fast. All it takes is the right guard, the left tackle, the quarterback, the receiver, the running back, the defensive end, the highly paid linebacker to go down, and you've got no depth. So let me make a prediction for the Dallas Cowboys who have now entered a phase if they signed DAC for the next three to four years.

They're going to be really good in September, October, maybe even early November. But about Thanksgiving when guys get hurt, even your stars, the Cowboys will slowly fade. Welcome to the Rams last year. You'll need bizarrely good health. It just, that is a coin flip. Some years you get it last year. The Chiefs got it at the end of the year. They were healthy and so were the Niners.

Neither team got it early in the year. That's a coin flip. The two teams that ended up in the Super Bowl were all banged up early and just got healthy late. That is a coin flip. Year to year, you never. Seattle was incredibly healthy early and then fell apart late. You don't know what? That's just a coin flip.

That's just bad breaks, good breaks. You can't depend on that. But the Cowboys now are moving. into an area that I've never liked, the no margin for air life, they've got to nail drafts, and they have no history of doing that. So there's, this has really been a fun two weeks for Joey and I, because it's been a lot of quarterbacks moving around, and it always starts conversations about how come that guy's getting a job and that guy's not getting a job.

And I think we pay attention to the wrong word. We pay attention to productivity. Stats. And the word I would use is different. So Nick Wright is upset that Cam can't find a market. Here he was yesterday on the show. I really do believe that his press conference wardrobe is working against him. I think people are still holding the Super Bowl post-game press conference five years ago against him.

I think it's non-football stuff. The idea that the Dolphins of the Chargers didn't trade the 147 pick of the draft for him, is just insane to me. So the wrong word is being considered. Stats. That's an S word. The word we should be paying attention to, the common thread and who's getting a job and who's not,

is an M word, maturity. Here's who has gotten a job. Tom Brady, people bid on him. Nick Foles, Limited. Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Mariotta. It's funny, Bridgewater always has. people that want him. Case Keenom's on his fifth team and fifth years. Here's who didn't get a job. Cam and James Winston. I've worked with immature co-workers. Company's fine. You can't have an

immature CEO. Company fails. Sports is unfair. It asks 22, 23, and 24-year-olds to be mature and be able to handle their money and handle their fame. It's totally, totally unfair. In the business world, you know, people don't get really successful, mid-40s, 50s, they're ready to handle the money and handle the pressure. Sports is unfair. Sports asked 22-year-old men, oh, you don't know what to do with your money? What? You're the most famous person in your town.

You can't handle it? Well, yeah, because almost nobody can. But the guys who can handle it, Lamar Jackson, Jared Gough, Russell Wilson, Carson, and when's Sam Darnold. You notice that? Andrew Luck. They could handle it because they had bizarrely good, strangely, uniquely good

maturity early. Here's who didn't. Baker, Johnny Mansell, Tam, James. You guys are all caught up in the media in the S word. Stats. It's not about that. There's a reason.

in Teddy Bridgewater. Small, not overly athletic, and limited arm has multiple offers every time he's on the market. There's a reason the Saints went out paid him a bunch to be the backup. They already paid their starter. A bunch to be the starter. Bridgewater's always got a job. There's always somebody for Nick Foles. Marcus Marriota. We thought he's a bust. Raiders will take him. It's the maturity word. We're all caught up and why can't this guy get a job? And I'll give you an example with this. A prime example. If Baker Mayfield struggles this year in Cleveland,

they will bail on him as a franchise. If Sam Darnold struggles this year in New York, they'll fire the coach. Because Adam Gase publicly has been more immature than Darnold. Maturity gives you

in life one more opportunity. Another year at the company. Nobody wants to fire. or move off, the mature kid who's a little limited, but you know he's working his butt off. She's working her butt off. But talented and immature, the minute you fail, market dries up. Look who keeps getting work.

Bridgewater, Foles, Case Keenham, they keep getting opportunity. And they're limited. They're limited players. So the bottom line, sports is unfair. it asks 22-year-olds to be uniquely mature. It's unfair, but so is life. So is the virus. So is the market.

So is everything. Those who come into this sport uniquely mature. Dak Prescott. What did we say day one? God, he feels like a starting quarterback. I don't like his arm. I don't think he's that great of an athlete. Guy, just every time he steps to the podium, he says the right thing.

And every time Baker did, he said the wrong thing. If you want to know why guys are not getting jobs, you're paying attention to the S word stats. It's about the M word maturity. It's the singular position in NFL football where you're asked to be a boss on the field, not just a talent. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me.

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Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior. And that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier.

We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. you get your podcast. There have been some bad ideas in sports, and it's okay.

I'm for taking chances. I'm for rolling the dice. David Stern once unveiled a new NBA basketball and did not tell the players it was coming. Not a great idea. The Chicago White Sox in the 70s unveiled shorts. Not a great idea, sliding hurts. The NFL for about a decade, we didn't know what a catch was. Not great.

ESPN, my former employee, once had something called a booger mobile, where they put a man in a crane in front of fans as a third member of a broadcast team. It rains a lot during the NFL season, sometimes snows and hails. Not great. But I have found an idea that is, frankly, significantly worse than all of those from a very smart guy. Super baseball agent Scott Borough says we could have a full baseball schedule with the postseason in December

and the World Series on Christmas. Excuse me? Baseball nerds. Nobody needs 162 games, especially in a year we're battling a pandemic. We all sort of make fun of you. This is why we don't talk baseball on shows. You have double the air.

NBA games. Boris says, oh, we mapped it all out. You know, it's workable. We've done climate studies. Southern California, average temperature in December is almost 69 degrees. You can put games in Anaheim and San Diego in Los Angeles, regardless of who gets in. And we have eight dome teams, and that'll be great, regardless of who gets in. Oh, that'll be great. Twins, Astros, playing in Anaheim. Nobody will be there. Yeah, not to mention football can get away with a neutral site for a game, three and a half hours. A seven-game baseball series in a neutral site. Have you looked at many of the baseball teams in the empty stadiums?

That's when they're playing at home. Even baseball playoff games often don't sell out in all the cities. Baseball, just watch the virus. Take a deep breath. If you have to peel off 60 games, nobody's going to kill. care. Even diehards acknowledge the season's too long. I mean, you could take out 40 games. Players would privately celebrate not having to start in, you know, March and spring training and end sometimes in November. The season's too long to begin with. Get out of your insular

baseball tunnel. It's okay. If the Yankees end up in the World Series, they may, favorites. If the Dodgers do, if the controversial Astros do. And then you throw in a couple of dark horse teams this year, they say the twins will be really good. It'll be an unbelievable postseason. When's the last postseason where the Yankees were great that wasn't unbelievable? Ask the NBA. LeBron's first title in Miami was a strike shortened season.

Nobody held that against them. Nobody even talks about it. Like all great movies. There's never been a great movie with a bad ending. Ever! If you have a great ending, it's the Dodgers. the Yankees. It's the new Yankee Stadium. It's Aaron Judge with a walkoff. Nobody will care if you played 94 games. What they will laugh at you is if it's December 28th and two good

baseball teams are playing in front of 13,000 people in a dome 800 miles for the record. Travel in this country is going to change going forward. You may want to get out of the travel to neutral site business. Like that, that, that, that is going to hurt March madness going forward a year from now. The travel business, our government is now considering buying the airlines. Travel's going to change in this country. Just like it did post 9-11, it's going to change now with social distancing. This thing's not over in a week.

Our economy may bounce back soon, but this is a horrible idea. Baseball, stop, stop being rigid. I know it's your nature. Cut 40 games off. Don't play later. Make it more urgent, not expand the season to Christmas. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Okay, so a mock draft.

I'm into mock drafts. Hey, I'm a nerd. I'm okay with it. I'm a nerd. I like mock drafts. Finally found one. ESPN doesn't let their mock draft people do trades. What have said?

This is pro football focus. I think they nailed it with one exception. Here's what they laid out, and here's why it makes sense. Bengals Joe Burrow, obvious. Chase Young, Washington, obvious, why Ron Rivera is a defensive coach. If he gets Chase Young to the players he already has, he has in his first year as the Redskins coach a top three defensive line in the NFL. Ron Rivera likes that.

Number three, Dolphins trading up to get. Tua. Thank you. Miami and the Chargers are one of those teams is moving up. I think it's Miami because they have more picks and more urgency than the Chargers. Number four, pro football focus has the top rated tackle, a Mackay Beckton from Louisville going forward. Here's why I think it makes sense. Who do they draft last year? Quarterback. Eagles and the Redskins have great defensive fronts. They got to get tackle solved to protect their asset. Giants O-line a weakness.

They'll go tackle because of the Eagle and Redskin defensive fronts. I agree with it. Number five pick will be the Lions who traded back with Miami. Darius Slay left. They get a corner Jeff O'Kuda, Ohio State. Plus Matt Patricia, defensive coach. I agree. Chargers 6, they take Justin Herbert.

Absolutely. They got the roster full, except. that position. Carolina goes seven, Isaiah Simmons, Clemson, totally agree. Why? Luke Keeckley retired. They just signed Shaq Thompson. In that division, you need running backs or you need linebackers who can cover space. Shaq Thompson, Isaiah Simmons, he played close collegiately, will cover all sorts of ground in a division with very, very good quarterbacks. Then it's Arizona, eight, Tristan Worf's, Iowa tackle, great pick. They already upgraded wide receiver with D.Hop, D'O. Hopkins. What do they have to do? Protect their asset.

Last year, Kyler Murray running for his life. The Cardinals O-line actually was better than I thought last year. They still need help. Then Jacksonville gets a defensive tackle. The Browns and the Jets both take offensive tackles. I do think the Browns would take Jedrick Wills over Andrew Thomas, but this is the first mock draft I've seen that I completely agree with. Every single thing sense, including either the Chargers or the dolphins trading up. My guess is Miami. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending,

opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode we're cutting through the noise. Breaking on the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice. On the IHeart Radio

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife 12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month,

I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing,

and we're still chasing it, and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid?

Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure and purpose on my new podcast,

learn the hard way. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game.

This linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office. 42. Hey, Wreck, my mama want you to weigh better.

What? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month,

tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work,

to become whole. This podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, about a week ago, news came down that Charles Barkley was very ill. Since that time until yesterday, I bet you I had a dozen people ask me, what have you heard about Charles Barkley that shows you how much people like Charles Barkley. Not just a great player, but willing to admit when he's wrong, funny, self-deprecating,

and nobody that knows Charles Barkley would disagree with this. One of the most giving former or current professional athletes of our time. So let's start with this, Charles. First of all, physically, you just had a really lousy flu, right? Yeah, I don't even think I had to fluke. I think I just had a bug for a day. I felt great like two days later, but I didn't want to take in a chance. And for some unknown reason, it took them 10 days to get me my results, which I'm not going to complain, man.

I know they got a lot of stuff going on. I mean, this thing is really serious. So I'm not going to complain. But, yeah, it was first without sports, it was bored being quarantined. Yes, it is, Charles. As a talk show host, I've had easier weeks. I saw Drew Brees donated $5 million today, and everybody's just amazing. There's a lot of negativity in social media.

You've said before you just stay off Twitter. It's too negative. I'm actually watching this whole thing develop. And I may not be a huge fan of the president, but I'm blown away by the ingenuity, by, as I look at America now, we're in a crisis. My takeaway is I'm kind of blown away about how many decent people there are. What is your takeaway on what you've seen sitting home watching TV for 10 days? Well, you know, Carl, I will never, never do social media. I think it's just people who are mean-spirited.

They live with their parents. They just sit around and just wait. They talk about people who are successful. So I will never do any social media. Being said, I'm not surprised how amazing the American public are. You know, I was watching you earlier. You tell her how great everybody's been to you down on Manhattan Beach.

When I was quarantined in Atlanta, I had neighbors bringing me food and everything. It was really awesome. I mean, they had to leave it at the door. But the problem with our society is because of the Internet and the way the whole television thing works, we're all trying to get clickbait.

So we don't talk about nice stuff enough. We talk about who broke the law, who did something, and stupid. Who can get safe? I want people to click on to my story. So the media, which I'm part of,

we spend so much time talking about negativity when the really good stuff happen, we kind of just gloss over and get back to the next thing we've got to click on. Charles Barkley is joining us, the Hall of Famer. I do think it's important to have an NBA season. I love

the NBA and have forever. I do think it may be an option, at least initially, to play without fans. Charles, that's not easy. How would you, if you were in the league today, what would you make of a proposal to play without fans for a while? I think it's impossible, just my personal opinion. I think it's impossible to play without fans. One of the reasons the game is great. You want people to, you want to showcase your talent. The crowd has a huge effect upon the game. I know there was times I was tired, and the crowd's going nuts,

and I'm just like, I get energy from anywhere. But also, it works the other way. There's nothing better than sticking it to a fan who's sitting right behind the bench, who's harassing you the whole game. So it works both ways for players. You could ask any player, not just, well, I guess in the NBA, we're the closest, but when somebody's giving you a hard time, and you know there they're just, and they only yelling at,

the stars. They're not yelling at the guys on the bench. That motivates you. But also, like I say, when sometimes you are tired or you, first of all, think about this. You know, we talk about game sevens. When you play on a game seven at home, man, this is a huge advantage. Yeah. The crowd, can you imagine playing a game seven with nobody understands? I mean, yeah, the players want to win, but when you get tired and depressed or you get down a lot, who's going to give me that extra jilt of energy to bring you back. I think it would be impossible to play sport and events without fans. And I understand

because our leagues, we're greedy, we want that TV money, no disrespect to the fans. I know they think that money they pay for those seats, which is good. We appreciate them. We love the fans. But the real money in sports come from TV network. Yeah. So that's the great dilemma we got going on right now. How do we keep all the... I'm not. We're talking billions of dollars too. I'm not talking

about a couple million dollars. So the biggest thing we got going on in sports now is how can we play these games and get this TV money? And man, I don't know the right answer or the wrong answer. I just hope that I just hope

people out there are safe. You know, you know, Carl, I think we spend so much time talking about when we're going to play basketball again. Man, there's a lot of people out there ain't going to recover from this situation. their lives are never going to be the same. They're never going to get their job back. The homeless population is going to explode.

I just feel a great sadness. I'm not even talking about people who are dying. I mean, that's the biggest, the saddest thing for this whole thing. But there are so many people who are going to lose their job and their lives are never going to be the same again. I just feel sadness for that. Yeah, 3.3 million people filed unemployment. Now, we do have a $2 trillion stimulus. Checks are going out soon, but as you know, that's complicated.

I can't figure out how we're going to know who to send them to. We'll talk about that probably at a later date. Charles Barclay, the Hall of Fame are joining us. Charles, I've said before that it's one of the things the NFL does really well is they consider themselves a TV show, and they're constantly manipulating their free agency and their schedule to get better TV ratings. I've always felt the NBA season should start Christmas, because I don't think. think you can compete against pro and college football in October, November, and early December.

And therefore, the season would last longer. July is wide open. Early August is wide open. What do you make of a proposal? Adam Silver said he would consider everything, Charles, that maybe going forward this crisis creates a new normal, which is Christmas Day or briefly before is the start, and they sees the mid to early summer months and end, let's say, August 3rd. And then, you know, then do the draft re-agency and hand it over to football.

What do you make of that idea? You know, Colin, I actually, I'm not trying to pat myself on the back. I said that three years ago. We were talking about how we could improve the NBA. Being on TV at the time, we have to strike. That's the highest ratings we've ever had in NBA history. Yeah. We started on Christmas.

I've always said, listen, college football is king. world. Full football is King Kong. We ain't never going to compete with them.

We should start the NBA season around Christmas. We only got to worry about the NFL or during the playoffs.

College football is over except for a bunch of useless other than a championship games.

College football is useless bowl games. We would own the world. The season would go

an extra month or six week. I do think we should shorten the season to 75

or 70 games. Yeah. if we're going to do that. Because, you know, I can say, you don't want to just run the next season until the next season. So I think we should show in the season of 75 or 70 games. Christmas should be the big day, like we do every year. We have five games on Christmas Day.

That would be a great way to start the NBA season. And you have a great idea. I've asked to mention this from Adam said before. Why are we starting in the middle of college football season and pro football? I mean, it's just too much going on. We're trying to compete for $1. And now, think about this now, Colin. It's going to be worse going forward trying to compete with those dollars of the NFL and college football.

Yeah, Charles Barkley. You know, it's interesting. I think one of the reasons I hope the NBA season continues, Charles, is because people have never held it against LeBron or Dwayne Wade, that their first title, LeBron's first title in Miami was a strike short in year. And nobody cares because like a movie, if the end of the movie is good, it's a good movie. There's never been a great movie with a bad ending. So when LeBron and Dee Wade and Bosch won,

nobody gave a rip that it was a strike-shorten season. We've never held that against LeBron. And I do think the Lakers are the biggest brand, and LeBron's the most popular player. Because they have a chance to hoist the trophy, the ending of this season is going to be fantastic potentially. So you've really, really got to roll. You really, really have to push to get this season in.

What do you think is going through LeBron's mind right now? God, Charles, he's had an MVP season, the idea we could throw it away. I'm not asking you to be LeBron, but I could see LeBron sitting there thinking, man, how many years like this do I have left? Well, I think that, number one, we need, listen, I want to tell people this, sports are not important in the big picture. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, teacher, firing policemen, those are the most important jobs. And obviously we see now doctors and nurses are really, really important and significance. They're up there with teachers. But the one thing I have learned in the last three weeks, man, we need sports.

We need sports. Is it important? It's not the most important thing, but man, we need it. I can't believe how the world is totally different. Not just basketball, you know, NASCAR, you know, something like that, which is amazing. no golf. I mean, I'm sitting here like, man, it's a totally different world without sports. I mean, I can't imagine how hard your job is. I mean, you're trying to entertain people for hours every day with nothing going on. And you said something earlier. One thing in the NFL does,

and they are the best by far, they're not letting this virus stop them. The only thing we've talked about for the last two weeks is NFL football. Yep. They are by far in a way, You know, about two weeks ago, I saw people complaining, well, they should delay free agency. They should, you know, this is not the right time. NFL says, no, we got a captive audience. Nobody can talk about any of the sports because there's nothing else happening. That's why they're the best of what they do. You know, the thing that's amazed at me about football, they have these television shows every single day

that talk about football, even when there's nothing going on. They are amazing how they dominate your brain. You have to talk about football every single day, and now they've got this captive audience with nothing else going on, but that's why they're the NFL. That's why they make $20 billion a year. But to get back to your original point, I hope we're able to finish this season

because LeBron's been amazing this year. He's been amazing. And to have a guy playing that well, You don't want to see that, like a lot of these college basketball players, the young lady at Oregon, O'NSQ, I don't know if I pronounce the name. I want to see her in March Madden because she's amazing. The kid, Obie Tappen at Dayton. I want to see him play in March Madness.

You hate to see, and you hate to see their seasons in their careers cut short. And as far as he's played this year, I want to see how this thing, you know, because it's going to come down to them and the Clippers and the West. Yeah. And Milwaukee, and in the East, listen, there's a lot of pressure on Janice and the books. They have to get to the finals. You know, they had the best record last year and then got upset. Now, even they have to get to the finals to make, they're on pace to win 70 games.

They have to get to the finals or people going to question. Now, LeBron, he got to get plastic clippers because they are the class of, the West. And to me, those are going to be the two biggest storylines if we play again. And they are two storylines worth watching, too. You know, I have this theory that the NBA has always been run by superstars, but Chris Middleton could change the NBA. Because if Yonis, because Yonis will be great regardless of who he plays in the East. But Chris Middleton, last year against Toronto, disappeared. If Yonis gets to the finals of the East, he will. and Middleton struggles, does Yonis believe, listen, I don't have a two.

I'm not doing this for a third straight year, and he goes free agent, he goes to the Warriors. I think Chris Middleton's a very nice player. But for a second year in a row, you know Charles how it is. You carried the sons. That's nothing against Dan Marley. That's nothing against other players. But you were old. Michael needed Scotty.

Magic needed Kareem and Worthy. If the number two doesn't step up. up. Because Chris is a really good guy and a really good player. But I think if Milwaukee doesn't get to the finals, Charles, I know Janus is a good kid. I think he's moving. I think he's, I really do. Your thoughts? Well, I think the two most important players in the playoffs got the most pressure are going to be Chris Millington. I agree with you. That's why I said earlier. I think the bus got to get to the finals or they got to worry about losing Janus. I think that. So it's going to be on Chris Middleton. Bledso. I've always said Eric Blesso, he's the guy. Those are two guys who've got to play well to get Milwaukee to the finals. But also, and I've said this before, you know, everybody talk about LeBron, who's amazing. Don't get me wrong. He's amazing. But the key is going to be Anthony Davis.

Yes. Even if you go back, you know, everybody made a big deal out of Milwaukee and the clippers that weekend when the Lakers played those two teams back to back. And LeBron played good. But who was the lead score in both of those games? Anthony Davis. I've said before, LeBron's going to do his thing. The key to me is because Anthony Davis, the Clippers don't have a matchup for him. They don't. They don't. But the Clippers got two matchups for LeBron. Paul George and Kauai.

He's got to guard those guys on the other end. And I'm curious to see how he's going to hold up in a two-month playoff, but they don't have anybody can guard Anthony Davis. And like I told people, everybody was going crazy when they beat Milwaukee and the Clippers that weekend. And I'm saying, I watch. both games top to bottom. I said, that's what I told you. I said it on TNT two months ago. I said, I'm not worried about LeBron. Anthony Davis, he's going to be, if they win the champion,

it's going to be because of Anthony Davis. And you're right about Chris Millington, but I throw Eric Bledsoe in there also because those to me are the three guys who are the most pressure in the playoffs. Middleton and Bledso did not show up last year. But now Anthony Davis is going to be a different animal for him now. He's swimming in the deep water with the sharp. This ain't like he ain't going to have no excuses. You don't get an excuse. You got to play to get past Kauai and Paul George and those guys. And Anthony Davis to me is got to be the key, plain and simple.

All right. 30 seconds left. NBA season. You think we have one? Yes, I think we got to for television and revenue. I think it might start late. Obviously, it's going to start late, but we're going to finish this season. Charles, you didn't have to do this.

You're a busy guy. I really appreciate this. Hey, Colin, why the hell am I busy? Well, maybe this time you're not. Hey, man. You know, hey, you know I love you, man. Thanks for having me. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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