The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for May 12, 2020

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

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From 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1, find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio. com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Heard. is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go on a Tuesday, live in Los Angeles. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Even David Spade, the comedian, the talk show host,

is going to be joining us today. We get all sorts of stuff today. is going to stop by this hour. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy last night I had a friend over. And I smoked a cigar in honor of the last dance with Michael Jordan. I'm not a big cigar smoker. And this morning I woke up and felt hazy.

I'm not really a cigar smoker. But I decided last night I'm going to have a couple of glasses of wine and a cigar and celebrate the last dance. And our state is doing some opening, some reopening cautiously. Right. And we were both tested. by the way. So that's my life. What did you do last night? Absolutely nothing. Like literally nothing. I just sat on my couch and talked on the phone and

did nothing. I mean, if you're not a regular cigar smoker, that's like a level up to a night of drinking. I like a cigar when I'm out, out, or I'm with my brother who is an avid cigar smoker. So I understand how you feel right now. I got up this morning and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what cigars. That's why I stopped smoking cigars. It does a little something extra. Yeah, a little Maxra. Nice to have you in today. Let me start with this. There's a story out. Gary Myers, used to drive the New York Daily News, very good reporter, had him on the show, knows what he's doing. He said Tom Brady's deteriorating relationship with Josh McDaniels, the offensive coordinator in New England. Part of the reason he left for Tampa. Now, Brady was not happy with it. Brady rushed to Instagram

last night and said, please stop this nonsense. Please be more responsible with reporting 19 years together and Brothers for Life. And we know Josh McDaniels came out when Brady announced he was leaving to Tampa, had a nice Instagram post and nice press release. And we know we've seen them yell at each other. And who really knows? Tom Brady denies it. Josh McDaniels did deny it.

Here's what I know. It didn't impede their success. So who cares? 12 straight division titles. Three Super Bowls, five Super Bowl appearances. Irritation I've always thought is sort of part of work. I mean, I like where I work. I work for a radio conglomerate.

I work for a TV network. And I don't have a lot of irritation. But every, you know, once a month or something that's kind of irritating and you got to kind of address it. Maybe it's on the staff or maybe it's on the, you know, you're not getting something when you need something or something's being slowed or you're not getting this piece of video. You're not getting this guest. It's just work. That's called work. And here's what I know.

A, it doesn't show a pattern with Brady because Brady gets along with everybody. Unlike other star quarterbacks, he's never had a family member call him out. He's never had a teammate call him out. So it's not like a pattern. B, it didn't impede their success. So I'm much less interested in stories where people were irritable at times and went their separate ways, but it didn't get in the way of winning. And C, if Brady and George and.

Josh McDaniels was that bad, then why did he leave and come back? Brady wouldn't have let him come back. He said, Tom Brady got Jimmy Garoppolo out of town, a quarterback. He couldn't say, I'm not going to have Josh McDaniels come back. So here's the way I look at this Tom Brady story. There's a theme in Tom Brady, and all the stories are now starting to connect. he didn't feel fully appreciated in New England. And it's just like if you're married and you don't feel fully appreciated or if you have a boss and you don't feel fully appreciated, then everything starts to get irritating.

And so Tom Brady, as we saw in his documentary from his wife that he allowed to be in the documentary working with Gotham Choper, the documentarian, that Tom allowed in, which is, is it would be nice to kind of feel respected and go to work and feel respected. And once you feel that way with your boss, then for Tom Brady, everything got irritating. Driving got irritating. The Boston weather got irritating. We saw them last year snap at the young wide receivers. They got irritating. The lack of a tight end got irritating.

Belichick's system got irritating. Josh McDaniel's sort of intensity got irritating. When you don't feel respected in any relationship, Then everything else starts to irritate you. And irritation is just part of business. Irritation for everybody in business is always easier when you're winning. And last year, they didn't win a Super Bowl. So it probably built up and he was over it.

But it certainly never got in the way of anything while he was there when he left or when he returned. So to me, it's just journalism. It's just a story. I'm sure there's some truth to it. I understand Brady denying it. He calls Josh McDaniels a brother for life. But I just look at that and think, that's reporting. I don't deny it's true.

There's probably some truth to it. But I'm never really concerned about people being irritated at work as long as it doesn't impede functionality and success. And it never did in New England. 12 straight division titles. All right. Let's talk about this. discouraging, disappointing. Baseball players are represented by Tony Clark.

Agent Scott Boris is also very powerful. So baseball came out yesterday and proposed a new plan for baseball. It had some really cool stuff. And the players are going to die apparently on the hill and their representatives of, it kind of feels a little bit like a salary cap. We're not doing it. that's the hell you're going to die on. That for 80 games during a pandemic, it sort of feels like a salary cap.

Well, this year, all the rules are changing. I'm the least surprised person in the world that it came down with baseball to money. The NFL's always done a really good job to sell itself as the sport of the fans. The NBA sells itself as the sport built with and around star. The NFL is all about the fans. For years and years, we watched the draft that got big ratings. And the NFL said, you know what? No.

No, we're going to go to different cities so you, the fans, so you the fans can touch it, palpable, feel it. And they did. They moved it all over the country. And it was unbelievably successful. During this pandemic, the commissioner went down in his basement. And what did they put up? That big board with fans. And he turned to it every time.

It was a little cheesy. but in the end, that's the messaging the NFL always. It accompanies everything with the NFL. We are in to you the fans. That's every message. The NBA has a different message. We like you guys, but it's a kind of a star-driven league. It's kind of a culture league.

It's kind of a cool league. But too often baseball's message is it's just all about the money, which you can tolerate, you know, when we don't have a, a pandemic and potentially 20% unemployment. This is a really bad look. And I'm not somebody that worries a lot about bad looks. But when you're going through a crisis like this and you're a sport, you probably don't want to talk a ton about money when you see what's happening to most Americans.

You know, there's an old saying, the NBA comes up with a great idea, football gets it right, and baseball makes the most money out of it. And I'm not taking aside here. I mean, there's a reason baseball owners never open their books. But for the players' representatives and the agents to come out so strongly yesterday, the headlines with the NBA coming back have mostly been, hey, if you can give us testing, we'll come back. The headlines with the NFL playing is, hey, if the states allow us, we're going to play. Baseball's headline is, revenue sharing.

We don't like it. Salary cap. You know a salary cat which every other athlete deals with in sports. College athletes don't get paid, not supposed to. And everybody else has a salary cap. Baseball, the richest players, the longest contracts. You know, this is the Kardashians complaining, you know, their second ballet didn't show up to take them to a private airport.

Nobody really wants to hear this. And by the way, baseball yesterday also, they had a bunch of proposals. And they were cool. Baseball said, hey, we're just going to play half a season, 82 games. And I was like, cool. I'm not going to try to stuff 140 games in here. I thought that's cool.

And they said, first you're going to play your division, then your region. And I was like, that's pretty good. And then they said, hey, we're going to have a universal DH, ALNL. And I thought, well, okay, that's pretty good. I was like baseball. Baseball's doing some cool stuff here. I like what I hear. But the headline today isn't any of those.

It's two words. Revenue sharing. It's not that money doesn't matter to the NFL. It does. Believe me, it's not that money doesn't matter to hockey and the MLS and the NBA. But it shouldn't be your headline today. It really shouldn't be your headline today. At some point, and I'm a capitalist,

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including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you for finishing that sentence.

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Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Sometimes people think I'm tough on Aaron Rogers. Yeah. And so when I find opportunities to defend Aaron Rogers, I do. Because I know the perception is I'm really rough on Aaron Rogers. And I think he's a whole to famer. I'd vote for him first ballot. I think he's great. In fact, I've said if you give me Aaron Rogers and Brett Favre, I actually think you could have a slight edge to Aaron Rogers over Brett Favreth, although I do think there's some alpha with Brett Fav I really like. There's some country, some old school to Brett Fav I really like. I like his leadership qualities a little more

than Aaron. But Aaron doesn't make as many mistakes. I think if you forced me to take one, and it would be not easy, I'd probably take Aaron over Favv. I'm not sure I'm right, and I'm not sure people would agree with me. But when I find opportunities to defend Aaron, I do because people think I am really harsh on him. So let me just say this. Brett Farve said yesterday, mentor Jordan Love, that's not Aaron Rogers' job. Aaron's job is not to mentor Jordan Love. Aaron's job is to win football games for the Green Bay Packers. That's what he's paid to do, and that's what he's going to do. Agreed. Aaron Rogers' job is to win.

And anything that gets in the way of that is the enemy. Isn't that why we love the Michael Jordan documentary? Because you either wanted to win, and if you were Isaiah Thomas or Scotty Borell or Jerry Krauss or if you got in the way of winning, we don't like you. Well, Aaron Rogers is at the point in his career. He's iconic, not MJ, but he's iconic. if anything gets in the way of winning, it should be Aaron Rogers' enemy. I don't want to hear about how progressive he is, and he's a great student, a mentor, a teacher,

student relationship. Not interested. Win games. I would always defend Aaron Rogers. Professional athletes have tiny windows in which they can play. It's a GM's job, a coaching coach's job, a hitting coach's job, a pitching coach's job, an owner's job. You develop your roster.

That's not Aaron Rogers' responsibility. His responsibility is to win the NFC North. That's his responsibility. So I will defend Aaron and Brett on that. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. The Washington Redskins, Joy had mentioned this earlier in herd line. They have no primetime games for the first time since 1982.

And my first takeaway is they had one every year from 83 until last year. Really? How did they get on TV those years? I wasn't watching. They had a lot of lean years. But they don't have an interesting storyline. The most interesting storyline is Alex Smith's leg. Secondly, Dwayne Haskins' growth.

And I don't think, you know, Alex, I'm more interested right now than Dwayne Haskins. But I was sitting there. I tend to like drama. I tend to like new and I tend to like combustible. And Joy and I always say that there is a tire-fire component. We like drama. It's fun. Drama's fun.

Even though A.B. was kind of sad at the end. The whole Steeler, Raider, Patriot thing for a while anyway, was kind of interesting. And so I was thinking this morning, you can be bad and still be fascinating. One of the things I'm shocked by is that the New England Patriots, who could be good, got five primetime games. I don't find them compelling at all. They don't have a star. They're best players a corner. They don't have a single offensive player that gets me to a TV set.

Now, Keel Harry's interesting, the Arizona State receiver. Interesting, not fascinating. And so I thought I'd give you just my list. These, I believe, are the 10 teams that will get me to a TV set. These are the 10 most interesting NFL teams for me to watch this year. Let's start with 10. Number 10. I'd say Pittsburgh.

Big Ben's coming back. Their offense lagged. They've got a great defense. It's a historic franchise. And as Jay Glazer pointed out, Big Ben is not an off-season grinder guy. And so I'm interested. There's some drama here. I'm predicting Ben isn't great.

The timing's not sensational and that they don't make the playoffs. Just the fact I said that creates kind of an argument. I believe it. So I think they're number 10. Number nine. Russell Wilson Seahawks. There's not a lot of drama. They'll make the playoffs.

They make the playoffs every year. But I do believe he's the best football player in the NFL. the best total football player, leader, intelligence, playmaking, accuracy, skill at his position. And so Russell's always going to make my top 10. They were the fourth best rushing team last year. I think they'll improve there. They've upgraded their offensive line. I want to watch Greg Olson as well from Carolina now to Seattle.

Number eight. I'm fascinated by Arizona. And again, because there's a little bit of a tire-fire component here, Kyler is like a poor man's Russell Wilson. They gave him DeAndre Hopkins. Steve Kimes a friend, and my takeaway is Cliff Kingsbury, we don't really know if it's going to work. I think Kyler's going to work. And so I find them to be the dysfunctional Seattle, that I got a new coach and a new quarterback, and it could be really exciting.

But unlike Seattle, I know we'll make the playoffs, Arizona could be four in 12 or nine and seven. I put them at eight. Number seven. Jimmy Garoppel own the 49ers. First Kyle Shanahan, I think, is the most creative offensive mind in football. And I like watching, I like watching offensive minds. And I also think there's a Super Bowl hangover issue. We just have history here that if you lose in the Super Bowl and lose like an Atlanta or San Francisco where you appear to have the game won, it can go off the tracks.

So I think there's a little drama here. Little drama with San Francisco. Number six. Cincinnati Bengals, classic bad team, fascinating story. Here comes Joe Burrow. wide receiver T. Higgins in a tough division. And everybody's telling me he's the savior. And I'm just telling you, Joe Burroughs a very good prospect that he's not great. He's not Andrew Luck. He can't win a division and get to the AFC championship with a crappy O line

and a GM that's hurting him and a coach that isn't the future. So I think Cincinnati's bad team, average to below average roster, but fascinating because I think Joe Burrow is good, not as good as everybody else thinks. And maybe I'm selfishly, I just want to watch because of the fire component. Number five. The Jets. If Adam Gase doesn't win, he's gone, Sam Darnold finally, although they're very young, has what appears to be a competent group of offensive linemen. Their schedule is brutal. The Patriots are now out of the division. I think Darnold's the most talented quarterback in the division. He's been mistake-prone, but unbelievably a playmaking dynamic at times. They went seven and six last year with an atrocious

so line, average receivers, some dysfunction on the coaching staff, and mono. So I think the Jets for me is five. Number four. Raiders in Vegas first time. I may have them low, but no team to relocate in the Super Bowl era has won more than nine games. It's hard. They got a new stadium.

I've seen it up close. I got the Derek Carr-Marcus Mario daemone. You know the minute Derek Carr struggles. Marcus Mario daemes make an eight large a year. Gruden's going to move on him. So I think there's a little dysfunction and a potential in a really improving division, tough division, to be a little bit of a mess. And I'm here for it. Number three.

The Ravens, is Lamar Jackson going to keep growing and growing and growing? I think they're the best team in the NFL. I think he's now supported with a virtually perfect offensive cast. They added J.K. Dobbins. They already had a great running attack. But I do believe there's a lot of people out there that think the more you see a Lamar, the less impressive he is. I don't happen to be one of those people. I think he's going to go to the next level and get to the Super Bowl.

But there are doubters. And doubters equal drama. And so I'm going to watch. Number two. Baker Mayfield doesn't win he's out. The roster's too good. He's got a grown-up coach. I mean, it's funny.

For all I say about Baker, I've never denied, it's like Russell Westbrook. I'm watching Russell Westbrook in playoff games. The unraveling is fascinating. Baker Mayfield in Cleveland now, I don't believe if Baker, He struggles he gets another year. Because of all of his missteps in the media, missteps calling out the medical staff, I think if Sam Darnold struggled, they'd fire Gase because he's been kind of the perfect NFL quarterback citizen.

With Baker, there's been some nonsense and some hubris. I think they'd bail on him, so I want to watch it unfold. Number one. Tom Brady, Tampa. I think they're going to be rough early, good middle, excellent late, but we don't know. No OTA, young receivers. I think there's a redemption story for Tom Brady wants to prove New England wrong. gronks fun. I think I think Tampa Bay is going to get massive numbers. Now I know what you're saying

where's Kansas City? Well there's no drama with them. There's no drama. They're great. They're going to score a bunch of points. Their coach is great. They won the Super Bowl. And I think they're going to get to the AFC championship. So I'm not saying I'm not going to watch Kansas City when they're on. But these teams, there's drama. There's push, there's pull. There's doubters. There's critics. I think San Francisco in that division could pull back. I think San Francisco could be looking at, you know, five and three, and you're like, I don't know, here comes Arizona. Rams are better than we thought. So those, to me, are the 10 teams that'll get me to a TV set.

That is not a shot on Kansas City. I just don't see any drama. They're going to score 30 a game, win 10 or 11 games. The division's better, but they're going to win it, and I don't see a ton of drama. I just think they're excellent. And I've said this. Not all excellent teams are fascinating. I always understood people that didn't like New England.

And I told Joy this. I get people who said it's a system and it's boring. I thought the San Antonio Spurs with Tim Duncan were boring. I thought that dynasty was boring. I think Alabama's dynasty isn't nearly as much fun as the Miami Hurricanes dynasty or USC's dynasty. Like not all dynasties are fascinating. You can be dominant and not have any flare. Or drama.

Right. And he reads the nicest guy in the world. Patrick Mahomes appears to be the sweetest kid in the world. They're going to score a bunch of points. I bet. That is no draw. I know they're going to be great. Want more herd?

The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. I irritate my wife sometimes and she'll say, I'll say you want to go out to dinner. And my wife will say, yeah. And I'll say, where do you want to go? And she goes, no, no, no, you choose. My wife likes me to be a man. She likes me to be a man.

There are things in the house. Don't listen to the media. The media wants you to believe everything's shared and the duties are all. Not at my house. My wife, I take the garbage out. That's all me. And she's proud of it. I'm proud of her.

And I don't believe all the media nonsense that women love metrosexuals. There's a reason they put calendars out every year with firemen with no shirts on. And they fly off the shelves. It's not poets without their shirts on. Women like men. And this is why Michael Jordan will. was worried that he wouldn't be popular with his documentary. And why we like him more?

Because he's a guy and he's a guy's guy's guy. People in the media, political and sports, are trying to convince you what you're supposed to like. I've never played that game. I talk about what research tells me you already like. I'm not in the convincing business. I'm in the, what do you like? I'll try to make an interesting business.

all the political people. You should like the revolution with Bernie, the young mayor Pete, and it's this candidate and this candidate and the country is telling you, no, we'll go Biden Trump. We want experience. We want older people. We're not into your new hip revolution candidates. We're not into that.

So stop pushing them on us. AOC, Mayor Pete. The public's not interested. They vote old. Go look at opinion shows on all the networks, sports and politics. There's no 20-year-olds getting numbers anywhere. It's mostly Rachel Maddow in her 40s. Tucker Carlson.

You know, Tony and Mike, Cornizer and Will Bonn. They've been around the block. People like wisdom. And they're not bothered by somebody who's got a little gray hair or a woman that's got gray hair. Is that Michael Jordan Gecko. They built the film Wall Street and they thought he was going to be a villain. Remember greed is good? And at the end, people are like, no, I kind of like his ideas, which is kick butt, take names.

This was supposed to make Gordon Gecko a villain this moment. The point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence. And that landed for people. They're like, yeah, it's America. It's capitalist.

We like making money. Don't let the media feel guilty about it. It's nicer to fly first class. Work hard, hopefully fly there someday. The media tries to convince you that everybody likes progressive guys and guys who are, they're metrosexuals, and they've got feelings and they're sensitive and they keep putting calendars out with firemen with no t-shirt on and they fly off the shelves. And my wife gets pissed.

When I say you want to go to dinner and I don't have a place picked and a table booked. Is it Michael Jordan's an alpha? And some are going to label it toxic masculinity. But to me, I look at Michael and he's strong-willed, great parents, smart guy, polished, and he's not backing off and he's not going to conform to what people want to make him. He's going to be true to what his parents made him. He's a guy's guy. totally down with it.

That doesn't mean I'm looking for meatheads. I try to bring smart people on the show, but I stay away from the wokesters because people keep telling you what they want. Listen to the people. Betta O'Rourke's handsome. They want Biden. I mean, the media is trying to convince you. You should like this and chiding you and shaming you and people like what they like. I like oatmeal.

A lot of people look at it and say it's so boring. My mom used to get mad at me. She said, you like things with no color. I'm from England. It's gray. Have oranges and grapefruit. I went out with my mom one time, and I went to dinner and had mashed potatoes and pasta and bread. She goes, look at your plate.

It's boring. There's no color. There's no hues. It's not dynamic. It's not vibrant. And I'm like, yeah, I like mashed potatoes and pasta. and bread. That's what I like. Andy Dalton, nice guy. Nobody cares. Aaron Rogers. Not always nice. Fascinating. It's okay to be flawed. It's okay to be flawed. Michael Jordan, by the way,

he's not obtuse. Michael knows he's rough. Michael knows. Here's a bite from Michael Jordan. He knows it's rough. He knows he's rough. He knows it's hard. He gets emotional about it. But it's who he truly is. Through the years, you think that intensity has come at the expense of being perceived as a nice guy. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, winning has a price, and leadership has a price. So I pulled people along when they didn't want to be pulled. I challenge people when they don't want to be challenged. And I earned that right because my teammates came after me.

They didn't endure all the things that I endure. Once you join the team, you live at a certain. that I played the game, and I wasn't going to take any less. Now, that means I had to go in there and get in your ass a little bit, and I did that. You asked all my teammates, the one thing about Michael Jordan was he never asked me to do something that he didn't do.

When people see this, they're going to say, well, he wasn't really a nice guy. He may have been a tyrant. Well, that's you. Because you never won anything. I wanted to win, but I wanted them to win and be a part of that as well. Look, I don't want to do this. I'm only doing it because it is who I am.

That's how I played the game. That was my mentality. If you don't want to play that way, don't play that way. And he broke down. It's my favorite quote. Be authentic, be true to yourself. Don't listen to the media. People like what they like.

I never try to convince you. I love Carson Wentz. Injury prone, I love him. Love him. You're not going to convince me. He's not good. And I'm not stupid about it. I mean, if he was 0 and 12 and through interceptions and no touchdowns,

but it's okay to like what you like. And don't tell, you know, if you don't, you know, like I love soccer. I think it's really becoming something. And people say all the time, oh, it's so finesse. And it's like, all, I do. I mean, my buddies all like the World Cup. I love the World Cup. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

But I'm an NFL guy. I like to gamble college football. I'm not sure how many cigars I'm going to have. But, you know, I don't think you should have to apologize. As long as you're not oppressing somebody, you're doing something. illegal, you're not a bad person. Michael Jordan has come off as likable, and he was worried that he wasn't

likable. And I think the reason is people, women like strong men, guys like strong men, Michael's strong. Flod, imperfect, sometimes a jerk. But it's okay. We're all flawed. There you go. There's my rant for the day.

I get all worked up about that. Because Joy and I were saying during the break, we love that bite. Oh, it's so, it's so raw and emotional. It just think it's like a perfect bow on everything that that Michael Jordan is. It's why he is the way that he is because he truly cares that much about winning. Everyone has a thing, right? He just poured his passion into winning and everything around him.

That's why he's playing quarters with the security guys because it's just, it's an innate desire in him to win all the time. I also agree with you about the making reservations and picking the restaurant. Yes. Very annoying. My wife gets pissed when I say, let's go to dinner and I don't have a place. She's like, be a husband, be a man, choose it. So it's like, okay, I'll do my man thing. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years. for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Clivert Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee.

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Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. David Spade, actor, comedian, writer, producer, one of the genuinely funny people that make me laugh. I don't bring a lot of comedians on the show, and Spade's one of them, because I think he's really funny. And I think he's a good guy, new Netflix film The Wrong Missy. So we were talking about the MJ documentary. You have to have watched some of it because because there's no sports on television. How much have you seen of it? Hey, bud.

Hi, Joy. The, I've seen, I think I'm in the middle of seven. And I don't think I'm caught up yet because Tippin hasn't sat out. That's what I was heard you guys or someone was talking about. Yeah, yeah. And I remember it is interesting. A couple of things come to mind like how hard the fouls were and how they didn't seem to care at all.

It was brutal. It was tackling, essentially. I mean, it was an assault. They should have police instead of reps. It was so rough. I'm like, and they took it in like the pistons, and then I think it comes up again later with other teams. But I remember Jordan was, you know, that was sort of my pocket. I look old, but I'm super young.

But I, I, when he hosted SNL was the only time I got up close to him. and that was maybe around 92, 93, and he was such a superstar that they were, he was signing so many autographs that there was a line out of his dressing, slowing down rehearsal, and with basketballs, and they had to stop it.

The show had to stop it because it was the first time they had to do that. Of all the stars you've ever had, he was the biggest. He was the biggest as far as, you know, it's like Al Franken holding six basketballs. like, guy, come on, we've got a new weekend. By the way, what was, I'm going to go back because you said that on YouTube and watch it. Was there a skit that was funny?

Did he have a comedic timing like a Peyton Manning? You know, he was super likable, as you know, from just seeing him on things. I watched this documentary, and I'm like, I'm actually more star-struck by him now if I saw him. Same here. You know what I mean? I'm like, how cool is this dude? but he was he was sort of the type of post which is cool where tell me what to do show me what to do I'll do my best but you know when everyone's usually out of their element when they come from sports over there

and they they like the feedback so I was too low on the totem pole and I would never say anything him anyway I don't want to get his face but everyone was helping him along and we did this hilarious like Washington generals guess we didn't want him on our team It was all the five white guys And we didn't want him on our team And even though he was so good We fired him off the team But I didn't have a line

But he said, you're all getting rid of me And he looks at me He goes, even you, peewee And I just turned my head down in shame And it gets a laugh But he's so famous I forget I even met him You know what I mean?

Like I'm watching the documentary And people like, you were on the show With him, I go, oh right, I was But we didn't have any like We didn't click I mean, we're not BFF David, you have always been. You're a sports fan.

I mean, you watch USC. I watch your stuff. So I remember you at NBA games. Like, like, and you were like, you were like a front row guy, right? Yeah, front row only, Colin, you understand. Yeah. Well, I, if they let me, you know, I will sit. I used to go to Diamondbacks games, and I'm from Scottsdale.

Yeah. I remember Kurt Schilling saw me in the audience and I had a fat burger hat on. and he pointed to his hat to switch. So we both signed our hats and threw them to each other. That was my big run-in at the dimebacks. But I wasn't a super baseball guy. I was just, you know, excited to be close to one of the playoff games. And then I saw Barclay.

He hosted SNL and he was on the Suns. Now he's funny. He's genuinely a funny guy. Barkley I got along with because we actually, when I was back in Scottsville, we hung out a little bit. and we went i mean i don't always like to hang out with people over six two as a rule yeah uh because i look like too much of a shrimp cocktail so i can't i can't deal with the regular people and i definitely don't want to go hang out with taco fall so i got me in berkeley and we're we go to

bobby mcgee's this dumb restaurant is like disco night and he's going home he's probably going about 500 miles an hour and i go up hey you got to watch it uh there's coffee all over and he goes, come on, man, I'm Elvis here. I'm like, that's true. Yeah, that's kind of, Barclay's legendary for buying everybody drinks. People like, Barclay's one of the all-time best guys. He was very likable, very funny. I rarely ever see the do anymore, but super cool. It was right when they were having that great run, and a lot of fun to be around. All those athletes are fun if you get to see them.

I sat behind Brady at UFC once. very friendly. I watched this one the other night, you know, that one that was in that Outback Steakhouse Park. I loved it. I thought it was a great card. Yeah, I thought it was good because I just felt bad for Ferguson.

Like, he doesn't get to do it in front of all the fans, and now here he is. Oh, he got blistered. In an alley. He started, about the third round, he looked like Ghalm, and then he walked out looking like Slingblade. But it doesn't even get Kabeem now.

It's like, wait, I thought I was doing it. someone a favor. Now I'm totally out of the mix. That's a tough racket. No, Ferguson's got a different look. There is a, he's, it's almost like he was a superhero and the illustrator couldn't get the arcs to work. They didn't get it nailed just right. It was a little undercooked. Yeah. I said to say. No, that's what it looked like to me. David Spain is joining us. You know, this, it's funny. I applaud you because, listen, I'm not a fan of Trump, but I do think sometimes what I love about comedians is that they have courage. And I don't think there's a ton of courage bashing Trump.

Now, Stephen Colbert is very political, and I'm all for it. That's what Stevens Tunnel is. He's great at it. But you said, I'm going to do a nighttime show, and we're not going to do, we're not going to do politics. Did you get pushback from the comedic community because you wouldn't be in line with what everybody else is doing? Well, you know, it immediately made me look like I was for Trump. Right. But it wasn't. I was just saying it's almost harder to just pull jokes out of the air than, you know, Trump will talk in the day and it's like a setup. And then they come on it late night and spike it. Yeah. Like he's saying something so crazy. You just have to repeat it and get a laugh and then say one more thing. It's funny.

You know, so I just thought it's, I felt a little burnt on it and just I was never really like that. I felt like I related to Jordan when he was saying, I just don't get political. It's not my thing. I have one move. I'm supposed to be funny. I'm an entertainer. You turn to me. I don't want people arguing when they watch me.

I don't want people fighting. So I don't really want to take a side. I could think of probably funny Trump jokes. I could think of funny Biden jokes. I just try to make dumber jokes that don't really matter. You know what I mean? And that's the lane. I haven't gotten any flak from comics about it.

I think as long as you stay funny and stay true to yourself, they're okay with it. Yeah, like two of my favorite comedians in the world are you and Norm McDonald. And I love, I think Norm is, I think he's off. And I think, I think he's brilliant. But Norm similarly is about the comedy. Yeah.

And I think you are true to that. You are about the comedy. Do you, are you, are you guys close? Yeah. Yeah, we're pretty tight. We, you know, in between his 300 tweets during a golf tournament. It's so strange. By the way, yeah, Norm is a weirdo.

And, but I love them. We did that Netflix, his show. Yes. It was hysterically, by the way, folks, you've got to watch this. So Norm's always been, you kind of seamlessly worked from comedy into TV. You're an easy guy to turn into a character. You've worked in movies. Norm is so unique.

He's almost like Brian Regan. It's hard to work on TV. And then they created a show seemingly in a garage. And it worked. And it worked. I hate it is a strong word. But it does work, right? It did work.

I thought it was interesting. I walk out and I'm no norm forever or not from the S&L days till now. So he goes, David, I want you to be the first guy on my show. And I go, all right, yeah, let's just, I go, what are we going to talk about? I do anything. I don't care. So it's a little loosey goosey already, which I'm 100% fine with. And 10 minutes into it, I go, oh, wait, we're filming already.

Usually it's like a whole today. do and okay we're going to bring you up we got to get your miced up we're going to walk you out and then there's two steps down and then you sit down and normal bringing out and I'm just talking and he's like drinking a sprite at something I go can you have that up here are you guys sponsor you guys well I don't know and then there's a forklift be-bebe across the camera I go norm is this a practice show what's happening we got to work the bugs out because there's a ton of bugs yeah he was great but but you know bringing him on anything, it's got a good quarks-ahoy factor that just people are intrigued by.

It's nice to have. Yeah, no, he is. New Netflix film is called The Wrong Missy, released tomorrow, May 13th. Basically, you think you've invited the woman of your dreams on a work retreat to Hawaii. I just watched the tape, and you realize too late you mistakenly text somebody from a nightmare blind date. Now, why for you? I mean, Joe Dirt comes to mind, Tommy Boy, not on.

All comedians, Letterman, work in movies. It takes, I don't know what it is. There's a sensibility about it. Again, you have a lane, a character lane, and it works. Did you ever think you would go into movies and it would work? And it's worked well. No, I mean, just even doing stand-up when I started in Scottsdale, I didn't even think I could do anything. I mean, I went to ASU, Phil.

Does someone of your family goes to ASU? Yeah, my daughter goes to Baylor. And that little honor school inside the smart people. By the way, I'll sell her one of my anthropology credits if she wants. I actually did not graduate. That's funny enough. Those are on eBay right now, all my credits. But I went to ASU, Scottsdale community.

I never thought that high. That was such a ceiling that was so beyond anything, beyond S&L or headline of comedy club. So just being in stand-up and my type of persona got me openings and doors where I got in, to be parts in movies and all that. So it worked out, but listen, I've done probably 25 movies. I know. People can name five them. So it's hard to get them

all right, you know, but I do like doing them. Listen, Brando had nine bombs. Streetcar name Desire is one of the good ones. Brando had, the bottom line is the three or four funniest movies I've ever watched. Tommy Boy is one of them. Hangover, Tommy

Boy. Yeah, I love those. I thought 40-year-old Virgin was a riot. hilarious yeah i mean believe me i watch movies i get jealous i'm competitive like that i want to be good and i i really appreciate good comedy i appreciate well-written stuff i appreciate good lines when i watch a comedian i can watch for like it's probably like watching the combine for an athlete i watch someone on stage and after two jokes you can tell if they got game i'm like or they got nothing but after one joke i go it might be a fluke second joke i go ooh good how about how about how about steve carrell's career he's done a

hell of a job. Beryl's a monster. He is kind of always good in different moves and he can be serious and he and the office is such a weird thing to play that's not obvious comedy. He's very dry, which I love and a lot of people copied that style of documentary and modern families kind of that stuff. I love it. So there's guys I still will go watch and I still love that I'm friends with or get to see out. I did a Zoom call the other day and I think Chappelle was on it and Kevin Hart and Chris Rock and Sandler and Sebastian. and it's fun just to have a bunch of comedians. It's a very precarious situation.

You don't know when you're going to jump in because everyone's just smart. Forget about funny. They're just smart, quick on their feet. The movie is called The Wrong Missy. It's released tomorrow. It is a new Netflix film. He's a really good guy. I should say this.

I don't know about your personal situation, but I've seen you twice publicly at restaurants with beautiful women. And I don't even know if that's appropriate. but you have done very well for yourself, and I'm very happy for you. Where Colin was right? No. No, now and then I stumble in a winner, but I've seen someone out, so I think I've tricked someone into hanging out with me, which is very tough. David, I love your stuff.

You're a riot. Thank you very much for having me. I watch all the time, and I listen all the time, and now Joy with the News. Thanks for stopping, Bob. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where SportsSlice comes in.

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