The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Oct 14, 2020

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

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Angeles home of the world champion Los Angeles, Lakers. And feel it in the air here. It's a Winters Town. It was a Hollywood season, so they deserve it. And now LeBron's gloating. We'll get to that in a big. He's in gloating stage, and I'm here for it. Let me start with this.

First impressions matter. And we all know that. I'm not telling you something you don't know. First impressions matter. The first time you meet somebody, you see somebody, first impressions matter. So what is the difference between Baltimore, the race? Ravens, we all love them. Everybody loves the Ravens. Everybody's in on the Ravens, me included. What's the difference between them and the Tennessee Titans, who we all kind of roll our eyes and

dismiss? They both have a good head coach. They both live and die with the running game. The pass rush for both is, man. So it must be the quarterback. That is the big difference. Lamar is amazing in Tanna Hill's kind of a stiff. Okay, so first impressions matter. Our first impression of Ryan Tannihill is Miami's so-so, 500, 8, and 8. Our first impression is Lamar is, my God, he's faster than Michael Vick. Oh, my God. Let's go to their last 17 games,

because Ryan Tanyahu's only been a starter for 17 games in Tennessee with this staff. Oh, oh, my. It's the same quarterback. Tanyhill actually has a little better T-D-to-interception ratio, more passing yards, higher completion percentage, better pass-right. Oh, by the way, in that stretch, Lamar can run, though.

That's funny because in that stretch, Lamar has seven rushing touchdowns, Tannahill 6. And oh, by the way, they played in a playoff game in Baltimore when they actually had crowds in the NFL, and Ryan Tannahill won and outplayed him. Now, I'm not in any way saying Ryan Tannahill is Lamar Jackson, but first impressions kind of matter, right?

And our impression of Tennessee for years has been nine and seven, nine, nine and seven, nine and seven, and seven. And then you combine that with Ryan Tannahill first impression. And it's like, well, he's kind of an eight and eight guy. No, no, no, with this team and this coach and Derek Henry and this support system. And that offensive coordinator is really good. No, Ryan Tannahill, he's a top 12 quarterback in the league.

As is Lamar Jackson. Ryan Tannihill is not some pocket stiff who can't run. He had 42 rushing yards last night on four rushes and a touchdown. And Lamar Jackson, similarly, is not just some guy that runs around and can't pass. But if you look at the numbers last night against Sean McDermott, one of the best defensive minds in the NFL, 130 passer rating, 21 to 28, three touchdowns, no picks, and he was mobile. Tennessee has been so nine and seven and so boring for so long the Marcus Moriota years,

we've just come to expect they're a little better than average. and Ryan Tanniel in Miami was, it's kind of average. No, we need to reboot this because we all love Baltimore, me included, and we all dismiss Tennessee, and we all love Lamar, and we all dismiss Ryan Tanniel. I'm talking about me. Maybe we need to reboot this. Maybe they're the same. Running games, quarterbacks that can move and throw, very good coordinators.

I mean, Baltimore's offensive coordinator, Greg Roman, is a legendary coordinator who took Colin Kaepernick to Lamar. He's got this system down pat. Very hard to defend. Who's the best young offensive coordinator in football? A lot of people think it's the guy with the Titans. So, you know, sometimes you just have to get away from what you believed. First impressions are very, very powerful.

And I watched Tennessee last night and I'm like, what's the difference between them and the Ravens? I don't know if there is. I don't know if Tanna Hill with this staff and this coach and Derek Henry in this environment and this offensive coordinator, I don't see a massive gap. Now, I think Lamar's a little more explosive, but I saw him playing a playoff game.

And I watched Tannia last night. In 17 games, he's 13 and 4. And I've seen him go up against good quarterbacks. All I know is we have to rethink what we think about Tennessee. Because Buffalo's good. And Tennessee last night did not have eight starters and two assistant coaches, and they housed them. Buffalo's not going to lose that badly all year.

They're not going to lose to the Patriots like that. They're not going to lose next Monday night to the chiefs like that. Buffalo will not lose like that the rest of the year. Tennessee's for real. We dismiss them. We love Baltimore. I'd argue it's the same team. One's just cooler.

One we just talk about more. All right. So I used to live right near Boston. And I used to live in Tampa. So I have a sense of kind of the sensibility of Boston in Connecticut, very principled, prep schools, very academic, very rigid, very political. And I lived in Tampa for a couple years. Tampa's loose and Ibor City and fun and cocktails early, pot-te had the most strip clubs per capita in America when I was there. Whatevs?

They also has lightning. But my concern when Tom Brady went from Boston to Texas. Tampa, Joy is my witness, was not about changing wide receivers. It was not about changing addresses. It was not about changing coordinators. It was not about, it was about the sensibility. It was changing cultures. Tom's a winner.

Tampa's losers. And we're already now three and a half, four days removed from Tom yelling at teammates. What game was that? It was Thursday. So we're six days removed from Tom yelling at teammates. And it is still a story. They're still asking them about it. They're still talking about it.

This was my concern. It's easy to change uniforms. It's easy to change receivers. It's easy to change offenses. Try turning losers into winners. New England is about academics and detailed and button up. the New England Patriots. And by the way, they have a brand new quarterback.

They should have a bunch of offensive penalties. You know how many they have? Three. Tampa's got Tom Brady. James Winston's no longer there. They will clean it up. You know how many offensive penalties they have? Eight times that.

25. The standards are different. And Tom's trying to change the standards. Bruce Ariens was asked yesterday again about Brady yelling. Just be yourself. I don't have any problem with it. At least I don't have to go back to and cuss them out. They've already got the airfall by the time I get over there.

So Tom's got to be Tom. I'm not going to ask him to be somebody different. He does a good job of pat him on the back too. He might have explode, but he's going to go down there and pat him on the back and get him going. Yeah, they don't remember that. They remember this video. And it's amazing how much flack Brady's taken over this. folks Michael Jordan went to the Wizards he was easily their best player do you remember how much pushback Michael Jordan the greatest basketball player of all time got when he went to the Wizards

he's mean Michael doesn't understand young players he played with all sorts of young players in Chicago Michael was a winner the wizards were losers and he could never overcome it when LeBron first got to the Lakers they were a mess and it was all these young kids and LeBron came in and had standards this this this this this this the LeBron is out. He doesn't under. They got rid of all the young players. By the way, when Michael Jordan first got to the Chicago Bulls, remember the funny line during the 10-part documentary? They call him the cocaine, the traveling cocaine circus. It was a bunch of drug guys and a bunch of guys that wanted points.

And Michael Jordan walked in. He's like, no, no, no, no. I come from North Carolina. I got aspirational dreams here. Michael's a winner. His business is a winner. His basketball is a winner. He was a winner in college.

He was a winner in high school. He was a winner in the pros. Michael's a winner. But Michael couldn't change all those bull players. He couldn't. They just wanted to score points. He couldn't change them. He had to get rid of them.

And he couldn't change the Wizards. And LeBron, he couldn't change those early Laker players. He had to get him shipped off. This has always been my number one concern with Brady. He'll figure out the wide receiver. He and Mike Evans already get along great. He'll figure out Leonard Fernette. He'll figure out the rookie right tackle.

He'll figure out Todd Bulls and the defense. He'll figure out Bruce Ariens. They have 25 penalties. New England, they have a new quarterback, too. Cam Newton had about four practices, three offensive penalties. Changing cultures is hard. Being content is the enemy of great. Tampa's always been sort of pretty good draft.

Nine and seven, eight and a penalty, a nine penalty game. Nine penalty games in New England, they just don't happen. If they do, they don't happen the next week. So I think it's really interesting that we are now almost a week removed from a 10-second Tom Brady outburst. And we're still talking about it. He had those all the time in New England. He had two of those last year in New England. We didn't talk about it.

Because the standards in New England, Boston, that region, are higher for football and sports. The Celtics win. The Bruins can win. The Red Sox have won. The Patriots. have won the culture of Boston is you shout, you scream, you get it right, you yell, you win. And it's understood. It's part of the fabric of success.

In Tampa, Tom barks in an offensive lineman six days later. Tom is, well, did you make a Tom, you own it, people. That's how you get crap done in sports. Games are live. You can't sit down and put your arm around. Let's have a long talk with dad. You've got to be on the field in nine seconds. Let's go. Get it done. Get it corrected.

I want that this is what happens in sports. Michael yelled. The late Kobe yelled. Charles Barkley yelled. Steve Kerr has yelled. Kevin Durant's yelled. Brady's yelled. Peyton Manning's yelled.

And Patrick Mahomes hasn't yelled yet, but he will in the next 10 years. Good stuff. Still whining about that in Tampa. Poor Tommy yelled at somebody. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day. days a week within the iHeart radio app search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like imagine an olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged it's the enhanced games

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I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jette. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill,

waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes.

I don't think there's a more important year for black. black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the

thing and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth or are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Keel. gains is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. So, Lavin Bell got released by the New York Jets. Let me unpack this a little bit, because I actually

think he's been a good soldier there. I mean, he, you know, sometimes he goes to Twitter instead of talk to the boss, but it's 2020. He didn't grumble. He is actually, he's a good soldier. He's, he's He's not quite elite anymore. Next generation, stats tell you, since the start of last season, despite the fact the old line's bad, they take that into consideration. He's kind of in the Todd Gurley class, the Peyton Barber, the Devante Freeman. He's not what he used to be. Running backs get old.

It's not just the Jets offensive line. He doesn't have the burst. They were saying in camp, he looks slow. The kid they drafted out of Florida behind him looks to have more of a movement. I like Levian Bell. I've had him on the show. I think he's a gamer. But I think the caution.

tale of this, and the Jets put him out to 31 teams. They just wanted a seventh round pick. They couldn't get it. So there's no market for him. Very interesting. Antonio Brown, in my opinion, was the best receiver in the NFL when he left Pittsburgh. His career's over. Levian Bell was a top three running back. He can catch it. He can run it. And his career is kind of like flattened out, right? Or it's over. I don't think it's over, but there's not much left. Take LeBron James out of it. Every athlete in America, take LeBron out of it. And you could say that occasionally for international soccer, for Rinaldo or a Messi. But for 99.9% of talk show hosts and athletes, where you land matters

and who you're surrounded by really matters. Tucker Carlson is the hottest thing on cable TV. He was invisible for 10 years. I'm not sure. It was like witness protection. Where'd he go? He ended up on Fox News. Oh, there a lot people watch that. Now he's a star. He was invisible for 10 years. Bill O'Reilly was invisible for 10 years before he got there and had a 20-year cable run. The reality is outside of LeBron James and maybe Oprah, okay, where you land matters, who you're supported by. If you're a skill person in the NFL, do not leave Andy Reid. Take less money. If you've got Sean Payton, if you have Russell Wilson, if you have Aaron Rogers, take a little less money.

You don't leave Russell Wilson as a wide receiver. You shouldn't leave Aaron Rogers. Don't leave Andy Reed. Do not leave Sean Payton. And don't leave the Pittsburgh Steelers. Antonio Brown had the perfect team. It was a top three offensive line and the best deep ball thrower in the league, Prima Holmes.

It was perfect. I got my issues with Big Ben, too much drama. Woe is me, Ben. Can still sail a ball over a running back in the flat like nobody else can. but on deep balls, and how do you throw deep balls if you have time to throw? Pittsburgh had a great offensive line. Labian Bell had that style where he sat and he waited for the offensive. It didn't look like any other running back.

It was just perfect. For both of them, it was perfect. This is a franchise in Pittsburgh that has had three coaches since 1969. The Jets have had three in six years. Take LeBron James out. Lavian should have never left. A, B. shouldn't know. ever left. And I'm not saying it was all their fault. Big Ben's a handful. But man,

A-B to me still should be the best receiver in the league, and Lavian Bell should still be a top five running back. They were magic. But you go to the Jets, you go to the wrong team, and it's amazing how often it can all unravel. 31 teams. Jets called reportedly all of them. Not a taker for a seventh round pick for Lavin' Bell. It's a bummer because I love watching them play. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the I-Hard Radio app. Hollywood couples almost always end in divorce, but they start really well.

And what happens is two good-looking people, because, you know, what basically actors do is they pretend for a living. And so they go on a movie set and she's pretending to do something and he's pretending to do something. and he's pretending to be a pirate. And they're pretending. And then they sometimes hook up and have kids who are baby pretenders. And everything's going great. And the careers are great as they pretend to be stuff. They're really not.

They don't really write it. They just perform it. And they're good looking and their cheekbones are perfect. And then one of their careers kind of, ooh, and then they don't like each other. Because, you know, actors, then instead of pretending, they really get a divorce. Because all of a sudden there's bumps in the road. And it's not perfect. and the careers aren't on fire and everybody doesn't love them and they're not adored.

And what am I talking about? Smart, good-looking, successful people. It's very easy to get along because people just stand at your feet and tell you how great you are. And Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleuror, I saw a story this morning. They're just getting along great. Well, yeah, because they don't throw interceptions or get sacked because they've played four crappy defenses. They've faced the 30th, 29, 28, and 26-ranked defense, and they've scored 30 plus points in all their games. of course Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleur getting along.

If they weren't getting along, you'd have real problems. You know when Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers never argued? You know when you never heard about their relationship going south? The year they won the Super Bowl and the year after they went 15 and 1. In fact, I've got an actual quote here. Aaron Rogers. And I'm not picking on him, but he loved Mike McCarthy early. In fact, his quote was, you know, starting in 2010, that was

year they won the Super Bowl. Thursday afternoon, Mike and I would spend anywhere from 90 minutes to four hours, talk about football in life, lessons, thoughts, and dreams. I really appreciated that time with Mike, getting to know him on a personal level. Mike McCarthy and Aaron would spend four hours together just talking about life and stuff. Because in two years, nobody could really beat them. I want to see Green Bay and Aaron this weekend face Tampa. That's a real defense. going to get sacked. He may get intercepted. They're going to have a lot of three and outs, and it's going to be ugly. And that's when a Hollywood couple can last. After the bomb, his career dovetails. She's the shining star in Hollywood, and he's now a character actor and can't get

jobs. Then let's see how you get along. Let's see how these guys get along when they're not 13 and 3 last year. And let's see how they get along. Because they didn't get along very well when Jordan Love got drafted. They got along at the end of last year, and they're getting along now, and they're playing bad defenses and everything is great. And I am not saying they can't win the game. And I am not saying they won't get along, but everybody gets along when your career's on fire and you're winning. And by the way, Brady tolerated all that Belichick stuff. Did you ever notice this?

Until all of a sudden they couldn't find a wide receiver for Tom. Started getting frustrated. And they lost to Tennessee, and his pick sixes went up because his receivers couldn't separate. And Edelman's drops the last two years in New England skyrocketed. And Gromk got old. And suddenly 18 years of listening to his mentor Bill Belichick, they don't want to listen to it quite as much. It wasn't as much fun.

Patrick Mahomes looks pretty good. And Lamar looks pretty good. And the AFC's better. And Buffalo's better. And Edelman's dropping it. And Gronk is old. And we can't draft the wide receiver. and suddenly Bill didn't get along.

And Tom didn't get along. Like, they didn't want to hear Bill bark at him all the time and call him out in front of the team. And everybody gets along when it's great. And you're winning in the NFL. It's like Jay Glazer always says. It's two different leagues. It's the you're driving to the stadium knowing you're going to win today

or there's driving to the stadium no, you need to play perfect to win today. One's a great life and the other one is miserable. It's a miserable existence in the NFL driving to the stadium knowing. And by the way, when Aaron's, and I'm not blaming Aaron, but when he and McCarthy started losing games and Aaron couldn't win as many playoff games, then all of a sudden those four-hour conversations where they talked about life and dreams turned into about 60 minutes of uncomfortable.

All right, yeah, okay, yeah, you bet. I got to go. Come on. 2010, he's talking about, oh, he spent four hours together. Yeah, you went 15 and 1? than the previous year you won a Super Bowl. Everybody gets along in the NFL that way. Hey, everybody.

Tom and Belichick, when Randy Moss and Welker and Super Bowls and Scorn and Tom's numbers and they got along great. Not so great when Edelman started dropping it and Grong started getting old. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Will Blackman played for a decade in the NFL. He won a Super Bowl with the New York Giants. And one of four players with a punt return TD and a fumble return.

TV in the same game. I didn't even know that. He's put that right in the screen. That's fascinating. Will Blackman also Alain Somalié, best-dressed man. He is joining me now live. All right, we've got a bunch of stuff to talk about. So, my coaches yelled at me. My stepdad yelled at me. I've been yelled at my whole life. My wife yells at me. I don't have a problem being yelled at.

When Brady barks at all his teammates, and six days later, everybody's still talking about it in Tampa. Do you think it could unravel a locker room? But why were you able to take care of getting yelled at, right? I always tell people I can play for any kind of coach as long as they don't come at me with an ego. So if they're yelling at me because they have their best interest into me, then it's all good. Like you saw how much fun they had in the offseason, how Brady took care of everybody, how they worked out, how he was beloved. And he also has the stripe.

So for him to go in and cuss everybody out and get mad, like, I mean, it's not going to deteriorate the locker room. Now, maybe, go ahead. Did you ever get yelled out by a player? Oh, plenty of time. I got yelled at by Charles Woodson. I got yelled that by Al Harris. I got yelled that by Aaron Kampman. One time I came on the plane, I forget where we were traveling to.

When I had McDonald's, and he was furious that I would put something like that in my body before a game. And he lit me up. This is Aaron Ketman. He was probably the holiest guy on the team. That's funny. So Joy and I are watching Alex Smith. And we literally are a nervous. wreck. I mean, I even, I turn the game on. I'm like, oh, God, I can't watch Alex Smith play.

So as a player, and you had a bunch of surgeries, how did it sit with you? One, I totally commend and respect his resiliency to even want to come back and continue to play football. I had nine surgeries. I still have arthritis in my hands, my knees and my feet to this day. I know plenty of guys who had one knee surgery and they checked out, you know, to sit there and have 17 on one. I mean, I still have anesthesia in my body. I can't much imagine how much he has, but to sit there and go through that and to want to come back and also to play on that field. I play in that field for two and a half years, that field is terrible. And to go out there and still have the confidence to go ahead and play, I literally was sitting on pins and needles like,

oh, I just hope he's okay. But at the same time, knowing that he would not go out there if he wasn't confident, you know, and I went through it mentally too. Like I did not want to play until I was totally confident. It took some time for me to trust it. So I'm very, very happy, and I totally applaud him. He instantly might come back play at a year. He just had to take one snap, and he got a comeback played a year. Yeah.

So, you know, it's interesting. When I watch the Cowboys defense, the thing that jumps out to me is not just people are in the wrong place, but I always think I judge a defense on, do they make the offense uncomfortable? Aaron Donald makes you uncomfortable. Khalil Mack or a great corner. So is the Dallas defense? Is it the scheme?

Is it the players? Is it the personnel? When you look at, I mean, God, they made the Giants look dynamic on offense. What is the problem with it, in your opinion, Will? Why no? I picked Dallas as my fantasy team for a defense this week. I picked them up because they're playing the Giants. The biggest thing for me is I see zero trust.

I see zero chemistry. They have the personnel. They have the people. There's no trust, no chemistry, and no discipline. And I understand Coach McCarthy. He said, I'm not a big fan of one-call defense. He hired Don Capers, who has that crazy Blitzburg type of defense. I mean, the playbook was bigger than the offensive playbook.

But sometimes when you want to get guys in the same page, especially with the limited offseason, a one-call defense is okay. Because at the end of the day, if everyone lines up what it's supposed to be, everyone knows their weakness. Everyone can communicate and be on the same page. I had coaches say, listen, we can call it Cover 2 the entire game. As long as you do your job and you know the weaknesses are, you'll be okay. I'd rather that happen than guys not knowing what happens when somebody in motions, what happens when the offense shifts, knowing situations.

So for them, I would definitely simplify the defense. And to get the chemistry, they just need to spend more time and watch film together. That's the best way to develop that kind of chemistry. You know, it's Lavian Bell got released yesterday. Adam Gase has struggled with Jamal Adams. He struggled in Miami with some star players. He did not get along with Lavian Bell. And Jarvis.

You know, you do get to, and I'm wrong on this, because I thought he had a lot of Kyle Shanahan. I thought he was a real clever guy. But you do get to a point. In your years of playing for the Giants, Washington, Packers, Jags, did you ever feel there was a coach? It didn't even have to be a head coach that sometimes couldn't deal with stars or couldn't deal with high-profile guys. Yeah, I mean, there was a point where when I was in Jacksonville, and I'll say it, coached coach O'Dewalk, Dwayne Walker, he's now the defensive back coach for the Browns. He and I clash, not to say I was a star player, but I was a star and he and I clash because I almost felt like he felt like that I wanted certain control. You know, I always invited the guys out to watch film.

I invited the guys out to hang out and build chemistry. And maybe he felt like I was trying to take control, which was never the case. eventually he and I had some heart to hearts and he and I are really good friends now I help out at his football camp here in Pasadena and he and I are super close but initially we had that that issue that clash you know and I was like man maybe it's his ego I don't know what he's getting at but my thing is at the end of the day if we all take care of each other we all win we all get paid and I just feel like it has to be that has to be the only thing that matters for any organization and no matter,

no, doesn't matter what the egos are. It's like, let's just figure this out so we all can take care of each other. By the way, you know, I'm thinking about that yelling thing.

So I've always been comfortable getting yelled at and you got yelled at. Did you ever yell at anybody? Did I ever? No, that was never my style. You know, I was never the,

I was never loud. I was never raw, right. I was the one that pull guys to the side. You know, I'll talk to you and confidence, talk to you quietly.

I was never raw, raw, I was never that guy. That's interesting. Now, now, got to the point where, okay, I told you once, told you twice, and it's like, like, dude, like, we just went over this, you know what I'm saying? But that's just, that's just not my style,

but I understand when people get other. My first coach, I was seven years old, he cussed me out. And I remember I looked at my dad and my dad turned his back on me and walked away. I'm like, yo, like, what's up, man, you know? But he knew that the coach loved the kids. So it was all good because it came from a place of love. Yeah. By the way, basketball, basketball, basketball question. Are you a LeBron guy or a Michael Jordan guy? I'm a Michael Jordan guy. I'm a Michael Jordan guy in terms of like history, but I'm a massive LeBron fan. All right. I was going to say a lot of Michael haters having bad weeks. I was just seeing how you're sitting with all this LeBron dominating the world stuff. How is it sitting with you?

No, I love I feel like you have two different players. You have the facilitator and you have the score. They're totally different. I respect LeBron's entire career since he was in middle school. tonight. I feel like no one on earth could handle what he did. He reminds me of how Dion was for higher in the 90s. Like if you want a Super Bowl, you hire Deon. If you want a title in the NBA, you hire LeBron. I just think just overall his package in terms of the brand and the player supersedes anyone. But I feel like just with Jordan, in terms of his mental strength and endurance as a player to really terrify everybody else, there's no one else like him. You're a wine, When's the last glass of great wine?

What's the last great glass of wine you had? What was it? The last great glass of... You know what? I'm tasting a bunch of... I got a bunch of... You can't see it in my office. I got a wine all over the place right now.

I just had a Rousson from Westwood. That was pretty good. I just had... Oh, Peter Noir. Melville. You like Peter Noir. Pinot from Melville and Santa Rita Hills. It's actually in my subscription box this month,

So you buy this time. I'm not sending you anything. Well, that was very direct. You were yelling at me. Listen. I felt like one of Brady's teammates right there getting yelled at by you. Don't be sensitive now, okay? I know you'd be getting blasted.

I know Cleveland's been winning and you're kind of like, oh, you're feeling it right now. I understand. All right. Good to seeing you, buddy. I love having a show. By the right, shout out to Joy for supporting the one MVP, the only person in the Fox building to support my brand. Oh, come on. We support Will Blackman.

on stop. It was. It was great. This month was Dwayne's wine. So it was perfect. Yeah. I mean,

she kind of had to, right? It was D. Wade. Yeah. Well, not really had to. All right,

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So Emmanuel Sanders, he had 12 taches. Yeah. The 11th year, total pro. And he was in Denver, and then he fit right into the 49ers. And that Super Bowl team, then he goes to, you know, he's played with Big Ben, Peyton Manning, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Drew Brees. You could do worse. You could do worse. And Emmanuel is joining us.

Two-time Pro Bowler? By the way, he was also drafted by the Steelers. No team in the NFL in my life. And I'm in my mid-50s, has drafted wide receivers better than the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what it is, man, but everybody, they just got that Claypool kid. Now they got another kid that can play. So let me ask you this. You've been in this league for over a decade.

12 catches on Monday. When you have that kind of output, when are you not sore? Like, can you play Thursday and feel ready to go? I mean, if I had to get my body ready to go Thursday, I definitely can go. I think the most important thing is after a game, no matter if you have 12 catches or not, even though the more catches and the more hits you take, the worse and worse body, the worst and worse your body feels, I think the most important thing is making sure that you wake up the next day and go and get a workout in and flush the lactic acid out of your body.

So that's what I try to do. interesting because you play with Peyton you play with Ben you play with Breeze these are all Hall of Fame guys let's talk about the line of scrimmage did one of them audible more does one of them rely more on gut instinct like give me the differences Ben to Peyton and Drew I think Payton was definitely an audible guy we went an up-tempo type offense so Payton was our always checking in and out of things I think Ben And Ben playing with him, it was fun as well. He's very sneaky with his signs.

Like, you're not going to know what he's doing. So you've got to keep your eyes on him. They had, like, a lot of different ways to, you know, change up the play in which, like, teams didn't know. And then playing with Drew, it's just executing at a high level, right? You take a guy who, you know, after I scored a touchdown, he walks up to me and he's teaching me to route. I remember the game versus the Lions. I ended up catching like a 13-yard dig. And I thought he was going to walk up and be like good catch.

And he goes, hey, look, so next time, like, get a little bit deeper on that, so then I can hit you on the window. So he always wants to execute a high level. But all three of them, you know why they win because every single day they come to work. And from a mental standpoint, they got the game down back. Sean Payton as a coach, people talk about him as a play designer. He's obviously very special. What is Sean, I mean, Mike Tomlin was a defensive coach, but Sean Payton is known for offense.

Is he more demanding? Is it more academic? Is it harder? Like, what's Sean Payton the difference between him and, say, at Tomlin? What's being demanded of you? Yeah, I think no matter what coach you have, I think they look at how they can do better on that side of the ball better. And, you know, I've had defensive coordinators who, you know, they come in and the offense might not be playing well. And they'll be like the office is doing okay.

But defensively, we got to do this, this, this, this, this, this. And so, you know, Sean Payton will come in. And if, like, you know, the game is close or something happened, he's always going to point to the receivers and be like the receivers got to do this. So the quarterback has to do that. And so, you know, he's an offensive-minded guy. So obviously, he's looking at it from that perspective. But yeah, a majority of head coaches, they rarely get on the opposite side of the ball. They always try to come at the side of the ball today, familiar with coaching.

Those are the players that get attacked. So, you know, at the end of the day, I've been enjoying just being around Sean Payton, just his personality. Man, he's definitely a player's coach. He's funny. And one thing about him is he loves to put up points. And I love his pre-game speech is how he comes in and just breaks down how we can put up, you know, 40, 50 points on the team. And that's always our goal going into games. You left the Steelers and you went to Denver and you won a Super Bowl.

And then you went to San Francisco and you got to a Super Bowl. And you could have gone to other places and you went to New Orleans. So clearly, Emmanuel, when you have a choice, you look at the coach and you look at the situation. I said this morning, I think Levian Bell would still be a top five running back. I think he should not have gone to the Jets. There's instability. They had a crappy offensive line. And I look at you, and I want you to tell me,

because you keep ending up in like slightly better places. And tell me what you go through. Your agent calls you. And he said, okay, Emmanuel, I got three teams that like you. What do you think about? Because you've made a lot of good choices in your career on where to go. Yeah. Ultimately, I think that when you speak about longevity in this league, at some point, you've got to go to organizations who win.

Win and keeps you relevant in this league. But the moment that you start losing, and especially you take a guy like Levion Bell with the salary cap, he has teams are ready to let you go. And that's just how this league goes. And so, you know, I've always been very, like, tuned in on where I go. I remember I left Steelers. And, you know, I had an opportunity to go to a couple of teams who were offering more money. I was like, I don't know because, you know, I play a position where, yeah, I can make a difference, but I can't make a huge, huge difference like the quarterback position.

So you always got to look at that. And so I looked at it like if I go there, you know, and even though I might produce or I might not produce because it's based off the offensive coordinator and the offense, you know, I can be in the league another two years. But if I go to Denver and play with Payne Manning, and I know what they're going to do, you know, even when Peyton Manning retires, I'm going to have the yards to go to a different team. And what team could that be? And so now I'm out here with New Orleans,

and, you know, they're able to showcase my talents because I'm with Sean Payton and people are seeing my talents. And so, you know, I feel like, you know, if I stay healthy and I be who I am in this offense, you know, it'll lead to some other that's great. And so I've always been mindful of that. And, you know, it's a blessing as well to be able to do that because, you know, I started my career off with the Pittsburgh Steelers with Ben, Roslberger. You didn't want to play with Peyton and now playing with Drew Breeze.

And I had the privilege to play with Jimmy Garoppolo as well. Yeah. By the way, Jimmy struggled last week. He's got a bad foot and he wasn't pushing off on it. And he was pretty bad. It was just a bad Sunday for him. Obviously, Peyton, Ben, and Breeze to this point in their careers, or at a different classification than Jimmy Garoppolo. He gets a lot of crap and a lot of heat.

He gets a lot of heat. What does Jimmy Garoppolo, in your opinion, do really well that you liked, and what does he need to work on? I mean, Jimmy stands in the pocket. Man, he stands in the pocket. He's going to deliver the football. I love the way that he comes to work every single day. I mean, we're talking about a guy who, you know, I don't know why they're so hard on it because, I mean, last year was literally his first year starting and he took us all the way to the Super Bowl. and they could say, yeah, we had a run game,

but it was a couple games where Jimmy just went crazy. Yeah. He managed a game. He played well. And so, you know, it's crazy how one play could determine, you know, if you still like somebody or not. And, you know, Jimmy goes and we wins that Super Bowl, they can't really say anything about Jimmy G anymore.

But the fact that, you know, he's lost of Super Bowl, now they're going to continue these talks. I don't even know where these talks even come from because, you know, I don't get it because, you know, Jimmy G, if you look at his win percentage, his win percentage is ridiculous, you know. And so he's coming off a bad game and who hasn't come off a bad game. Michael Jordan has had bad games. LeBron James has had bad games.

At the end of the day, it's a bad game. But what is it? I mean, another opportunity is coming up this Sunday. And if he goes out of balls, everybody's going to be like, oh, Jimmy G. Jimmy G. So it's crazy how, you know, it's ways like this throughout the season. But at the end of the day, he has just continuously being him because I got a lot of respect for him in his game. in the San Francisco 90-40-9ers organization.

Emmanuel Sanders joining us over a decade in the NFL, a Super Bowl champ two-time Pro Boulder, and a really savvy veteran who does his business well as well. He knows where to go and what quarterbacks to end up in with. And I look at COVID, and I looked at the NBA bubble, and it was tough on players. And this year you didn't have an OTA, and he didn't have pre-season.

And a lot of guys are getting dinged up. I just want you to tell the audience, how has COVID affected you mentally, physically? Because you're, you're, you had 12 catches Monday. You're doing great with it. But I'm sure not every teammate is doing great with it. Has it been difficult, has this been the most difficult September, early October of your career? Yeah, it definitely has.

I mean, you know, coming to a new city, not having a house, been in almost two months in a hotel, not seeing your family, trying to find a house out here. just everything in general, right? Just trying to get situated. And then, yeah, not knowing if it's safe or not, right? Like, it's a risk every day that I go out and bringing this to my family and to the team. And so, you know, but, you know, I look at the situation and I say like I'm blessed. You know, it's a lot of people who are going through way worse situation than me.

You know, someone once said, I once thought I had it bad because I had no shoes until I saw a man who had no feet, right? And so that's my perspective in this whole COVID. It's just make it through. And don't do any complaining. And coming to New Orleans and they have to learn, you know, the office with Sean Payton and Drew, that was definitely hard too. But now I think like everything is starting to settle in with my family here and the house that we have. And so I think that's the reason why I'm playing some of my best ball because I kind of got it all out the way.

And I feel like I handled it in a positive manner instead of looking at the negatives of it. Well, you're a pro. You're a total pro. team be lucky to have you. You're going to get some Hall of Fame votes and you got a lot of football left by the way. You keep making 12 catches. You're going to find yourself in this league for a long time. Emmanuel, I love having you on the show before and now. Thank you. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier

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