The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd for Oct 19, 2020

Episode Date: October 19, 2020

-When things get tough Aaron Rodgers shows no fight and bails-Baker Mayfield is the problem in Cleveland-Tom Brady's leadership is why the Bucs had 0 penalties or turnovers against the Packers-If you ...are still blaming Carson Wentz then Colin doesn't know what to tell you-Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrongGuest: Trent Dilfer, Super Bowl Champion Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:34 Excuse me, loaded on a Monday live in Los Angeles. This is the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. We're on Fox Sports Radio and right here on FS1, one hour from now. On a Monday, Colin Wright. Colin wrong, plenty of both. Starting to get some clarity in the NFL. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you?
Starting point is 00:03:03 Great. That was a great weekend of football. And baseball. And baseball, yes. Last night was fun. It was. Congrats to the Dodgers. Congrats.
Starting point is 00:03:10 So we all know Aaron Rogers is talented, right? And if you look at the history of quarterbacks who are talented, you know, they have a better-than-average chance of coming from behind and a better average chance of holding a lead. for all the great quarterbacks, the Peyton Mannings, the Troy Aikman's, the Dan Marinos, the Elways. Aaron Rogers now, this is fascinating, has lost by 14 or more
Starting point is 00:03:36 points now 19 times in his career. Russell Wilson's 6, but this is even more damning. Aaron Rogers, for all his talent, and this has been a well-run organization, let's not make this into the lions or jaguars.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Aaron Rogers has a losing record when he trails at any point in a football game. Could be one minute in. Mahalves, Lamar Jackson have won 65% of their games. And we think Lamar doesn't play well from behind. Jimmy G. 62% winning when he trails at any point. Brady, Russell Wilson, Big Ben.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Tebow has a winning record. Aaron Rogers, my friends, is a front runner. When the going gets tough, he bails. Brady's a baller. Aaron's a bailer. Don't you think that's crazy? The second he threw that second interception, he changed. He was out.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Short, safe passes, protecting my legacy, protecting my stats. He'd never admit it. But this is another example. This is happening too often now. The last four times this team has lost, my bad make it five. They've been shelled. This team's too talented to get shelled. You can lose.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Last year, they got crushed by Philly, run over, crushed by the Chargers, crushed twice by San Francisco. Now, crushed by Tampa. They're the classic fighter. They get into the Octagon. And when somebody hits them back, they are out. Aaron is a different quarterback when he trails. He is not a foxhole guy.
Starting point is 00:05:16 He's talented. He's a Hall of Famer. He's gifted. He's got a great arm. but Tom Brady is defined, his most defining two games. Are the Atlanta Super Bowl when he trailed 28 to 3 in the third quarter. That was the defining Brady moment. He went to even another level.
Starting point is 00:05:36 And then he trailed the Seahawks by 10 in the fourth quarter. Aaron Rogers can't win those games. I mean, he can, but he wouldn't. If you look at Patrick Mahomes and Russell Wilson, they are now beginning to be defined by their ability to come back from double-digit losses, double-digit deficits. Aaron Rogers has a losing record
Starting point is 00:05:59 if he trails by even a point at any point in the game. That's brutal. He's ranked 30th since the 50s in that stat. 30th. Is he the 30th best quarterback during that time? He can't blame defenses and coaching. He's had two coaches now.
Starting point is 00:06:23 This is now, teams become their quarterback. Teams become their quarterback and their coach. This is now Green Bay's identity that when you punch them back, they fold. They are out. Runaway Rogers. Great with a lead. Great when comfortable. But that's not how you win Super Bowls.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Patrick Mahomes trailed in the fourth quarter of last Super Bowl. Brady's been defined by coming back from big deficits in the second half. I mean, if you can only win Super Bowls when you lead five minutes in, that can happen. They've got one. But that's not the NFL. If you go look at just yesterday, just go look at what happened yesterday, the fight Carson Wentz had, the fight we've seen from Russell Wilson. I've got to tell you, I don't want to hear any excuses.
Starting point is 00:07:14 The Packers now, I can't unsee that. And this has now become the identity of Aaron Rogers. He's a bailer. He's a frontrunner. This team is really talented. You cannot be getting blown out in your last four losses. And I'm not saying you don't have bad games. I mean, yesterday, there are times you show up and get Buffalo last week, good team.
Starting point is 00:07:40 It just goes sideways. But 10 nothing doing hip thrusts, second interception, and Green Bay stops, changes, alters. Derek Carr and Ryan Tannehill. I'll repeat, Derek Carr and Ryan Tannahill have more fourth quarter comebacks historically than Aaron Rogers. That's brutal. That is brutal.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Here's Aaron's excuse afterwards. You don't ever want to lose like this. I feel like we needed a little bit of a wake-up call at some point this season because things have been so good. And there's been so much talk maybe outside the building about the ease, with which we're, you know, moving the ball on offense and scoring. And, you know, I think we need to kind of kick in the ass a little bit as a little bit of a wake-up to, you know, stop feeling ourselves so much and get back to the things that got us this position.
Starting point is 00:08:33 It's not a we thing. It's an errand thing. Don't point any fingers. This is who you are. We got over, we got 10 years now. This is what defines you. Brady's a baller. You're a bailer.
Starting point is 00:08:45 You are not there. That second interception, the temperature in that huddle changed, on that sideline changed. This is who Aaron is. Hall of Fame, first ballot, great talent. And he knows it, by the way. That's why he gets so prickly with the media. He knows it. He knows it.
Starting point is 00:09:04 He was all hip thrust early. Second pick, shut it down. Didn't have any fighting him. Quit in the octagon. All right, let's shift to this. We can officially announce. it's okay. Three different head coaches for the Cleveland Browns.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Baker Mayfield is the problem. It is not their running backs. It is not their offensive line. It is not their coaching staff. Baker Mayfield is holding this team back. They've had three different head coaches. All of these coaches have been offensive head coaches. You generally don't get that as a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And I still think this team goes nine and seven and can make the playoffs. but we've had three different head coaches. Baker Mayfield's career, 59 touchdowns, 41 picks. That's what he is. In the last two years, 32 touchdowns, 27 picks. That's a franchise liability. Listen, Carson Wentz lost to Baltimore yesterday. But he looked like a man who was fighting for his life to the very end.
Starting point is 00:10:11 He was never overwhelmed. I've seen Deshawn Watson lose games. I've seen offensive lines fold. Baker Mayfield looks tiny. He looks like a little boy playing with bigger, older brothers. He looks completely overwhelmed. And the Steelers game plan told you exactly what they thought of Baker. Put heat on him.
Starting point is 00:10:31 He'll fold like a deck chair. He cannot be your franchise quarterback. I don't think this GM and this coach are going to pick up the option, the fifth year option. They'll do it, Trubisky. He's the problem now. You don't get a fourth head coach. This coaching staff is excellent. This running game is excellent.
Starting point is 00:10:53 These wide receivers are excellent. The pass rush for Cleveland is very good. They're not a great team on the back end due to injuries. But we've got to stop now. The two times they've faced excellent teams this year, they've now outscored 76 to 13. Baker's the issue now. Now, they're not going to announce it,
Starting point is 00:11:11 just like Chicago protected Trebisky. You don't announce it, then a bad half. But I said when he came into this league, he was Case Keenham with a better arm. And I like Case Keenham, but he looks overwhelmed. Like there are guys in this league that the offensive line protection is terrible. Carson Wentz. I've seen Deshawn Watson where things break down. But those are men fighting for their life surrounded by suboptimal options.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Cleveland is loaded. Pro football focus has their offensive line. Four or five guys are highly graded. And yesterday, Pittsburgh just told you. This kid can't handle heat. He can't handle it. And he can't. And he's the issue now.
Starting point is 00:11:51 You don't get a fourth head coach. They're going to protect him. But inside that organization, just like Chicago knew the truth with Trabiski, inside that organization, they know it. Police video, goofy medical staff call out, Duke Johnson call out, too many turnovers, too many commercials, not enough focus, look small. undersized, overwhelmed when the offensive line breaks down. This is not, this is not a team. And I like Cleveland's talent. I think it's excellent offensively.
Starting point is 00:12:27 I mean, I think it's elite offensively. This can't be what's happening when you face Baltimore and Pittsburgh. It can't look like that. It can't look like that. Here's Stefanski protecting Baker afterwards. I don't want to see him get hit one more time. I didn't do a good enough job allowing him to be put in those positions. So it's something that I have to do way better.
Starting point is 00:12:48 I can't let him get hit like that. I heard the same thing in Chicago. People make decisions before they announce it publicly. That GM and that coach, they know the truth. By the way, I saw Joe Burrow yesterday. Joe Burrell's really good. I don't care he's not when he's really good. Lamar Jackson appears to have hit a ceiling.
Starting point is 00:13:09 He's still really talented. Ben's on fire. You can't build a franchise if you have the fourth most talented quarterback in a division. They're going after a new guy. They're just not telling anybody yet. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.
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Starting point is 00:17:19 My games, when I played in high school, weren't on television. All of Tom Brady's are. And so once, twice, three times a year, you'll catch Tom Brady screaming and yelling and getting after people. That's called leadership. That's what the late Kobe Bryant did. That's what LeBron has done. It's getting after people. That's what leadership looks like.
Starting point is 00:17:37 That's not a negative. That's not a debit. That's a credit. Or you can have the Aaron Rogers put, his hands, passive aggressive, rolls his eyes. That's not leadership. Leadership is Troy Aikman. Leadership is getting after people and uncomfortably calling them out.
Starting point is 00:17:53 This is amazing. Tampa Bay had no penalties yesterday. They had 11, 10 days ago. Last year, they led the NFL in penalties with Bruce Ariens. So the coach is still there. Tampa is defined by loose. Brady is defined by details. something had to give with this franchise, and it did.
Starting point is 00:18:14 What you watched yesterday from Tom Brady was a three-and-a-half-hour leadership seminar. They didn't give up a sack, and Green Bay is good. They didn't have a penalty. They didn't have a turnover. Ten days after they were a dumpster fire. And Tom reamed them on national TV. Six days later, Tom, yelling at us. This is what leadership looks.
Starting point is 00:18:41 looks like. Peyton Manning barked at people. Yeah, he barked at people. And not all leadership looks the same, but in sports you have a clock. You have issues. They have to be solved in 17 seconds. This isn't like where I work at a corporation and the show's over and we can do calls and Zoom meetings. And oh, we're back on the field. They're punting. You got to solve crap fast. And again, some people, People are blamers. Leaders are fixers. Brady is a fixer. He had a friend, and this was always our issue when he got to Tampa, this was always our issue.
Starting point is 00:19:22 It wasn't the new coach, the new system. That's not what we worried about. On this show, we said, I worked in Tampa. It is loose. It's cocktails at five. The franchise has a history of just losing games they should win. The Chargers have this on the West Coast. Brady has a history of details, accountability, and he will.
Starting point is 00:19:41 bark at you. Not passive-aggressive. Tom will confront any problem head-on. That's what leadership is. Anytime I see anybody on Twitter, anybody going, what do you call that? That's leadership. Barking at Josh McDaniels, barking at offensive linemen. You've got to confront stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:58 There's a clock on the issues. And I thought yesterday was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. This loose franchise, they were a mess last week. They faced the best team they'd face all year and played essentially a perfect, flawless football game, Bruce Ariens after. I can't say that I've ever been in a ball game with no penalties. And, you know, so it was, you know, we addressed it every single day. And the guys addressed it in practice this week.
Starting point is 00:20:27 And hopefully we can continue that trend. You know, as a team, I don't think we had any penalties. Don't think we had any sacks and don't have any turnovers. We're going to be hard to beat. And so we kind of set a new standard for ourselves in that regard against a quality opponent. Listen, Brady has had games with no penalties. Ariens hasn't.
Starting point is 00:20:47 So Aryans may not remember it. Tom has. That was very patriot-like. Nobody likes to get yelled at. But in pro sports, you know what you like even less than being yelled at? Losing. So you got to fix this stuff. And I look at Tampa in 10 days.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And if you want to be cool, you'll never be a leader. a lot of guys, they want to be cool. Leadership's not always cool. It really isn't. You have to be the grumpy guy and you have to be the yeller and the screamer. A lot of guys in sports, they want their money and they want to be cool. And they want their shoe deals and they want their swag. That's not what leadership is.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Leadership is calling people out sometimes on national TV. That was a leadership seminar yesterday. I can't even believe Tampa 11 penalties to zero. What? That just doesn't happen in the NFL. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. And we're all guilty of this. I can be guilty of this. Quarterback wins. He's great. Quarterback loses bad. But there are moments when a quarterback can win and he stinks.
Starting point is 00:21:54 And there are moments when a quarterback loses and he's unbelievable. If you don't get Carson Went to this point, I'm out. I'm done with you. This kid's incredible. I went and looked this morning. The Eagles have had, we're just starting the season. we're not even close to Thanksgiving. 17 offensive players have missed games, including four of the five offensive linemen. Didn't have Lane Johnson yesterday.
Starting point is 00:22:15 His record won't show it. His stats won't show it. He was unbelievable yesterday. He's the anti-Aren Rogers. He's all guts. He's all fight. So he was missing his three best receivers yesterday and his best offensive linemen.
Starting point is 00:22:29 They got down big to Baltimore. Baltimore was heavily favored. Baltimore was rolling them. He then loses his best tight end, Zach Hertz, and his best running back, Miles Sanders. And they come back and they fight. And if not for a lousy two-point call by Doug Peterson, they maybe tie the football game.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Eagle receiver, it could have been, they should have won by a touchdown. Eagle receivers were dropping touchdowns. They were dropping open stuff in the flat. He had nothing to work with. Nothing. We think Tom Brady this year has had a few injuries. They have, I'm literally looking at their depth chart this year. It's insane.
Starting point is 00:23:07 17. I don't even know what goes on in Philadelphia. The water? What is it? This is the third year in a row. They've got nothing to work with. And Wince was just battling in that second half. And he's doing it with Travis Fulgum, who was a late round draft pick by the Bears.
Starting point is 00:23:24 They cut him. Old Dominion football didn't know they had a program. Philadelphia picks him up. He's his go-to guy. And he's competitive against Baltimore, a top five team in the league. and a good coach, even John Harbaugh after the game, just tip of the cap to Carson Wentz. It was a tough, hard football fight,
Starting point is 00:23:42 and they came roaring back. That's a really good football team. I have to give Carson Wentz a lot of credit. He played just, he got hit, and he kept coming back, making plays with his legs, hanging in there and making throws. I give Carson a lot of credit. I thought he led them.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Working with nothing, man. We say this all the time, is if I was a trust fund kid and had a pretty good life and you had to overcome a bunch of nonsense in your life, chaos, bad parents, and we ended up at the same place, you would be much more impressive than me. You would be much. What do you overcome?
Starting point is 00:24:17 No quarterback in this league is leading their team to the playoffs last year with what Carson Wentz has. This kid is all guts and all fight. He may not have the talent of a lot of quarterbacks that you like, but guts. I'll take that guy my foxhole any day. Philadelphia should have gotten blue. They were getting crushed.
Starting point is 00:24:36 The game was over. Then he lost his tied-in. Then he lost his best running back. Didn't matter. Just nothing but guts. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the I-Hard radio app.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. So let's do Colin right, Colin wrong. Plenty of both every week. We call ourselves out and we're wrong. Let's go. Where Colin was right? Well, we said all offseason. Tampa was going to be a work in progress offensively,
Starting point is 00:25:04 but their defense would carry the team in September and October. It's exactly what's happening. This morning, it's the number one ranked defense in the NFL. And I said their secondary is what everybody views as a weakness, but it's getting better and it's really athletic, and yesterday stole the show. Todd Bulls said this in the offseason. Is the best coordinator in the league.
Starting point is 00:25:25 He will get a second head coaching job. This was a masterpiece yesterday. They got, you know, and it's so interesting. Because the knock on him all year, oh, the secondary is a problem. And then they went out and drafted a great safety. They are exactly what we thought they looked like. We thought they'd be a Super Bowl contender with a dominating defense, and we said at Thanksgiving, then the offense is going to pick up and they're going to be rolling.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Where Colin was raw. Blazing five better should have had a winning week, two and three. Niners, we were right. We called it. We said they would upset the Rams, and we said the Steelers would blow out the Browns. By the way, Baltimore, we were right for three hours. That hurts more than any loss this year, but we're 12, 17, and one on the year. Got to be better.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Where Colin was right? I've said Bill Belichick is the best football coach in my life, but I've been on this for years. He cannot draft the wide receiver. They are atrocious. Yesterday, their receivers had a combined six catches. You cannot blame Cam for all of this. Nikiel Harry appears to be a bust. They are easily the slowest,
Starting point is 00:26:34 wide receiver, tight end group and the least talented in the NFL. And this is one of the things that Brady would privately tell people. Like, we just can't solve this riddle. Every great coach has a blind spot. How much faster and more athletic did Denver look yesterday? I mean, Drew Locke was moving the ball up and down the field. may have settled for field goals, but Denver, I'm not sure there's a Patriot offensively at a skill position.
Starting point is 00:27:04 No, I know this for sure. None could start for Denver. None. Where Colin was wrong. I've been very pro-Lamar Jackson. I said, I thought this year he would grow to another level. He has hit a wall. Teams are now begging him to throw the football.
Starting point is 00:27:17 He's averaging 189 yards throwing. He is really struggling. He's gotten into this sidearm thing. He's gotten sloppy. he bales a little too fast in the pocket. He's now rolling too deep and too often too far right, which totally limits what he can do. All his numbers are down.
Starting point is 00:27:36 Completion percentage, rushing yards, touchdown passes, passer rating. It's like he needs a reboot camp, but he is struggling, and teams are begging him to throw the football. And yesterday, they were having three and out, fast drives, giving it right back to Philadelphia. He has hit a wall, people are begging him to throw.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Where Colin was right, Everybody fell in love with Sean McVey. Oh, my God, a couple of your best coach ever. And I said Kyle Shanahan is the better football coach. McVey's very good. Kyle Shanahan last night is now 4-0 against Sean McVe with Jimmy Garapolo. Four and O. When they both have their starting quarterbacks, McVe can't beat him.
Starting point is 00:28:13 And he controlled the clock. He controlled the game. He controlled the tempo. He controlled the line of scrimmage. This was a coaching clinic last night. And I think McVeigh is a very good coach. I think Shanahan is in a class. by himself. I mean, you literally came off a horrible loss. Your quarterback's not at 100%.
Starting point is 00:28:31 And Rams are a good team. And Aaron Donald was taken out of the game. Completely taken out of the game. I think Shanahan's the best young coach in football. McVeigh is just very, very good. Where Colin was wrong. My number one missing the NFL, the Steelers. Oh, good hell. I said 8 and 8. In fact, I upgraded them to 8 and 8. They are terrorizing. quarterbacks. Their pass rush, watch out. Wide receiver. That Minka Fitzpatrick moved last year. How great has he? What an addition that guy is. But what a playmaker. Claypool is he's Calvin Johnson. I mean, he is so big and strong. I undervalued the Steelers. They lead the NFL in Sacks, which is remarkable because they've played one fewer game than many teams.
Starting point is 00:29:20 They are everything. Big Ben's making no mistakes this year. And that's always been You know, I said going into the season, I had real doubts about Big Ben. He's never been a worker in the offseason. He's been terrific. He's cut down as in mistakes. He still throws one of the best deep balls of my life. He throws a beautiful deep ball. I was totally wrong on the Steelers.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Where Colin was right? Carson Wentz is not the problem. Stop. He is not the issue. Carson Wentz yesterday lost and was fantastic. He is throwing to backups, backups. He took a beating for three and a half hours. He got sacked six times.
Starting point is 00:29:59 I mean, look at him. He's just throwing off his back foot. He's throwing stuff. I mean, he has nothing to work with. And he is throwing darts. He is seeing the field. To get hit as often as he does and to sit in there and to take a beating like that, if you don't appreciate Carson Wentz, I can't help you.
Starting point is 00:30:17 They scored 22 points in the fourth quarter with Travis Fulgum and Carson Wentz. 22 points against Baltimore. Where Colin was wrong. I don't even know what to say about Ryan Tannehill. I don't even know what to say. He's good. The last two weeks, he scored 42 points. Last two weeks, 13 TD's two picks,
Starting point is 00:30:42 70% completion rate. He had a losing record in Miami. And I never, like Joyce said, I didn't hate him. It was just like he's a guy. He's kind of a guy. Is it coaching? Ryan Tannehill is, and they're letting him throw now. Tennessee is loosening it up, and they're letting him throw the ball downfield.
Starting point is 00:31:02 And they haven't always had all their receivers healthy yet. Now, I know Derek Henry's terrific, but, I mean, I would not have guessed this ever. In fact, I cannot think of a single quarterback in my life that I thought was just a guy changed teams, and I'm like, he's a pro bowler today. Ryan Tanya, today is a pro-ball. I'm not sure the Titans aren't the best team in the NFL. I'm not, I mean, they're, they're in a short list of best teams in the NFL. Where Colin was right?
Starting point is 00:31:32 We're always arguing. Got to have eight-team playoff in college football. Oh, God. We need two. Do you watch Clemson and Alabama play? They're so far ahead of everybody not named Ohio State. It's not even close. I mean, Georgia couldn't compete in the second half.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Listen, there's never been a single time in my life where I thought, you know what? the seventh team in the country really deserves a chance to play for the national championship. So Notre Dame was ranked fourth. I watched them this weekend. They're not close. Carolina was ranked fifth. They're not close. We don't need more teams in the playoff.
Starting point is 00:32:07 I'd argue this. Usually there's two absolute teams we know that are best, Alabama and Clemson, and there's a third team, and I think it'll be Ohio State this year, which has four or five first round picks, and we think can play with them. But this I've been saying this for years. The idea that you need, everybody wants an 8-team playoff, and then we want a 16-team playoff. Folks, it's like March Madness.
Starting point is 00:32:28 We end up with 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds every year. We don't need more teams. The teams now that are at the top are miles better than the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th-ranked teams. Where Colin was right? I'm not a baseball maven. I don't watch regular season baseball much, but I said back in July, the Dodgers are about a closer away from being a perfect baseball team.
Starting point is 00:32:49 They led the baseball in home runs. They led by a large gap. They led in runs. They let an ERA. They let in whip. If they had a closer, it would be over. This is a stacked batting order. Andrew Friedman, the general manager, came from Tampa where he had a good team but no budget.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Then the Dodgers gave him a budget. And they have used it brilliantly. They didn't want to pay for Grinkey. They didn't want to play for Manny Machado. They didn't want to pay for Bryce Harper. They decided finally to spend big boy money and they went out and got Mookie Betts. Oh my God. He's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:33:25 This is a stacked baseball team. Now, they are not good in the pen, and that could be their undoing against the raise. But you don't have to be a diehard baseball fan. They are just dudes. One through seven in that batting order are just professional baseball hitters. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.
Starting point is 00:33:56 It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.
Starting point is 00:34:34 Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,
Starting point is 00:34:55 and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Cliverts Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes,
Starting point is 00:35:19 follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast.
Starting point is 00:35:38 I'm Sam Jek. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack.
Starting point is 00:35:55 I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:14 For me, it's one of the most important years. for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games.
Starting point is 00:36:29 And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing
Starting point is 00:36:48 and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth, or are you a good person because you're afraid?
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Starting point is 00:37:22 Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Trent Dilfer, 15 years in the NFL, a Super Bowl and a Pro Bowl. Joining us now, his Lipscomb Academy. He's the head coach, 41-0 on Friday. He just told me they had 19 different sets on the game for high school. God, well, I think we had a one-back, two-back, and that was it. And I was a really bad quarterback. And he is joining us.
Starting point is 00:37:49 So today's one of these days. Aaron looks bad and I'm a bully and I beat up on him. But I did say this. Aaron's really talented. First belt hallfamer. I like him more than Favre, who's great. But I see a trend now. He has now got a losing record if he trails at any point in a football game.
Starting point is 00:38:05 And the NFL is defined. Russell Wilson, Mahalms, Brady, Manning. You trail a lot in this league. This is, I mean, come on, Trent. This whole league is about overcoming. Brady's defined by the Atlanta Seattle Super Bowls where they were getting gashed late in the game. And I look at Rogers' winning percentage when he trails.
Starting point is 00:38:25 And I said, I'm not doubting the talent. But a lot of guys are not foxhole guys. They're just gifted guys. And is that a fair criticism of Aaron? I'm struggling with this. When I watched your open earlier today, it's hard to argue with the numbers. So I'm not going to argue that when he's trailing,
Starting point is 00:38:45 he should have a better record. I've played enough golf there, and I've been around him enough. I've studied him enough. He's a fierce competitor. He's not one of those guys just going to lay down because he's two down after 13, or he's six points down at half. There's something else going on here with that record. I mean, this is one of the fiercest competitors of all time.
Starting point is 00:39:05 You go back to his time at Cal with Jeff Tedford. I mean, he was legendary for his competitive temperament in the weight room and practice, very much like Tom Brady demanding the best from people on a day-to-day basis and in-game. So I get the body language gets funky sometimes when he's frustrated, hard to argue with the numbers, but I'm not going to be one that questions his competitive temperament when he's down because I've seen it too often
Starting point is 00:39:32 and I've seen it throughout his football career at times too where he's single-handly brings his team back. So this is a tough one for me. You know, both you and I agreed. you'd been in Tampa, I covered it. I said, listen, New England is details, academics, that's Boston, prep schools, intense, competitive, that's the region. Tampa Bay is a little loose and Ibor City and fun to go from 11 penalties to none. After a butt chewing on television, I kind of felt like something had to give.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Tom was, listen, this is how you win, and Tampa's like, hey, we're doing fine here. I wonder what practice was like this week. I don't think I've ever seen a team go from that undisciplined to that discipline. They didn't give up a sack in nine days. What do you make of what they did at practice? Yeah, no sacks, no turner, no penalties. It's amazing the influence that Tom Brady can have on your organization. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that this is a man that can carry not just a franchise,
Starting point is 00:40:33 but a city. You just said it as you're leading in to me. You're talking about there's cities that have these old pockets of success. Look at Tampa Bay right now since Tom Brady showed up. All right. The Lightning win the Stanley Cup, the Devil Razor in the World Series, and Tampa's playing some of the best defense in all football and cleaning up their offensive mess.
Starting point is 00:40:52 I mean, this guy is incredible with the edge he brings a community, the work ethic, the focus, just everything about his aura makes everybody around him better. And I guarantee practice was intense. I mean, it was the hair on your. your arms standing up. Every little thing mattered. The way you do small things, the way you do all things. I'm sure they heard that a bunch from Tom Brady. And there's just that accountability. I was reading something the other day. John Gordon wrote that great teams don't have rules.
Starting point is 00:41:23 They have internal accountability, accountability through players. And when you have that moral authority in the locker room and the ultimate leader in Tom Brady, you're going to fix your flaws. You're going to have mistakes. You're going to have stinkers, as Aaron called them the other day. but they're not going to last for long. I mean, look at Tom Brady's record in his career after a loss. So you can go back and look at, just imagine what those weeks of practice are like coming off a loss when Tom Brady is your quarterback. You know, quarterbacks can lose and I can be blown away. I thought Carson Wentz yesterday was sensational, working with nothing.
Starting point is 00:41:58 The kid is nothing but guts and valor and fight, and I love it. Here's the disturbing thing with Baker. It's not that he's losing. But Trent, he looks overwhelmed with pressure. Like he looks like a backup. He looks like he's just not physically the game gets too fast. He can't escape. He can't cognitively make really quick decisions.
Starting point is 00:42:21 And it's like happening now. I mean, good God, three head coaches. He's got barely more touchdowns than picks. And I think we both agree, these are pretty darn good weapons in Cleveland. He's got some help here. I'm watching yesterday and I'm like, this GM has to watch this. think I'm in a division with Burrow, Big Ben and Lamar. I got to play those guys six times a year.
Starting point is 00:42:43 I got to wonder if Cleveland inside the building has got concerns about Baker going forward. Your thoughts? Yeah, I think a lot of people that weren't as high on Baker coming out are starting to see some of their evaluation stuff come to light. And one of the biggest ones that I had and other guys I talked to that weren't as high on them was a lack of physical confidence in the pocket. Now let me explain that. Typically, guys, let's use Ben Rothesberger as the opposite because they play each other of Baker-Mayfield.
Starting point is 00:43:14 Ben never rushes anything. There's never a flinch. There's never a hurry. There's never a panic because he has such physical confidence in his stature. He has confidence that he can manipulate in there that if a guy has an arm on him or a hand goes up or he gets swiped or somebody around his legs, he's confident enough to keep the play alive, keep his eyes down field, continued to work the play. When you looked at Baker in college, when he was on rhythm, he was fantastic.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Okay. But then you saw all these splash plays where everybody said he was going to be this great athlete in the NFL. A lot of those splash plays came because he didn't have the physical confidence, even in the Big 12, to stay where he was at and work the play. He felt like he needed to get out and work the play somewhere else. This continues to get him in trouble. Now what's happening is he's being harped on to stay in the pocket. He's rushing things.
Starting point is 00:44:07 I mean, the pick six is literally a high school mistake. If my quarterback threw it to one robber on an in-breaking route, I'd lose my mind. That typically happens because you're speeding up your clock because you don't have the physical confidence to just let the play breathe. You feel like you've got to catch throw. You don't have the confidence just go, hmm, I'm going to let this thing break. breathe a little bit. They switch the look on me. I'm going to go back outside to O'Dell, who by the way, on his slant is going to go for about 50 if Baker goes to number two instead of a pick six. So you're starting to see some of the stuff that we were worried about coming out
Starting point is 00:44:46 with Baker, start to really bite him in the you know what. It can be fixed. I will say this. I'm not, I'm not moving off of Baker. I think he can be a fantastic rhythm quarterback in the NFL. if he's willing to learn these things, grow his physical confidence, and the system supports the type of player he needs to be. So explain the Jimmy G thing to me. Like I got last week, I was pretty harsh on him, and everybody said, bad ankle, Collinsworth showed it last night. Like he wasn't thrown with confidence, they took him out.
Starting point is 00:45:14 So last night, it was better. It still wasn't perfect. But here's what I wonder. Boy, I think they have some interesting weapons on the outside. And those guys are running a lot of routes and not getting a lot of look. he feels Jimmy G. feels very controlled by me
Starting point is 00:45:33 and I look at their schedule I'm like you got to let I mean even Tennessee's letting Tanna Hill breathe a little bit here you got to let these guys play does Garapolo feel too controlled even though he won last night and the numbers are great stats does he feel too controlled
Starting point is 00:45:49 when you watch I like the control I liked how Kyle called the game the ball is out of his hand less than 2.5 I'm looking forward to seeing the PFF numbers come out today with actually his time to throw. It seemed like it was lightning fast. I think he needed to be controlled while he's banged up. I think early in this season it's not bad to call plays in a controlling fashion to mitigate risk.
Starting point is 00:46:13 I do think what's coming probably the second half of the season knowing Kyle and studying his play calling forever is you'll start seeing the boot pull-ups, throwbacks the 30, 40 yard, you know, that ball in the air, 30, 40 yards down the field to these fantastic weapons you're talking about. But I think there's a sequencing of play calling throughout a season. I think Kyle's been around this league a long time, knows you want to play your best football after Thanksgiving. So he's saving some bullets, waiting for Jimmy G to get healthy, setting up that run game, setting up that action game. It'd be my guess. I haven't talked to Kyle, it'd be my guess. He's got four to six shots. He's practicing every week. He's not calling him in the game. He's getting them ready for the back half of the season.
Starting point is 00:46:57 And don't be surprised. Teams start playing downhill a little bit on this quick passing game. And later on the year, you're watching these fantastic weapons do some double moves, work the post game, work the deep corner game, a lot of this stuff that's part of his playbook that will eventually come out. By the way, when I covered you in Tampa, I'll be kind. You didn't have much to work with, and I'm being kind. I want you to take people into how hard it is to do what Carson Wentz is doing. Like, he's dealing with backups to backups. And, you know, I covered you.
Starting point is 00:47:31 People don't understand. It's hard with starters. The timing is off. I watched him yesterday in the fourth quarter, and I'm like, people just don't get this. They don't understand how hard. Harbaugh's a great coach. These are great schemes. I watch Wentz, and I'm like, I may have been more impressed with him than anybody yesterday in the entire league.
Starting point is 00:47:50 how hard is it when you're using backups? Well, first of all, so my team is probably watching this. I wasn't very good either. I was probably the biggest problem. So I'm not putting the blame on our guys, but you do. You feel like you have to earn every single inch. Nothing extra happens for.
Starting point is 00:48:08 You don't play beyond the X's and O's. Where a lot of guys, you know, they throw a little inside look route and the guy goes for 60. And you're like, all the quarterback did was throw up five yards to an open guy and it gets 60 and a tut on a stat line. When you're playing with guys that are new that haven't gotten a lot of the reps, you tend to run a 12-yard route
Starting point is 00:48:27 and get probably 12. You don't get 22. It's fatiguing. It takes a toll on your body when you're doing what Carson's doing. I went through a stage that way. We're always running around. You're always shedding tacklers.
Starting point is 00:48:39 You're getting hit after every throw. You're landing on the ground. It becomes mentally and physically fatiguing. But I also think it develops incredible grit. I think it develops championship grit. I believe Carson Wentz will win a Super Bowl one day. I don't know if it's with the Eagles, but he will take his team all the way. It'll be him because of his grit, his determination, the things he's learning early in his career,
Starting point is 00:49:05 going through adversity, not ducking in a hole, not making excuses when things go bad. That's how champions are built, and I think Carson Wentz is a champion. Trent Dilfer, Lipscomb Academy head football coach, Nashville, Tennessee, a beautiful town, won 41 to nothing Friday. They had 19 different, what, sets? Yeah, at some point you're going to start talking about the Titans. Okay, next week I'm going to send you topics. We've got to start talking about these Titans here in town
Starting point is 00:49:30 because they are ridiculous. They are. They are. And Hanno's playing MVP football. Incredible. I mean, it's, I said, in my life, I've never watched a quarterback, and I was like, he's okay, he's fine. And it's like, oh, wait, MVP votes?
Starting point is 00:49:44 I've never seen this in my life. It's incredible, right? I mean, I'll tell you what it makes me think. This Adam Gase guy is going to be. That's what it tells me, right? That and Mike Vrable, I do think at some point, people got to start putting Mike in the best coaches in the world category. And as a coach, you study the best.
Starting point is 00:50:05 I study Mike all the time. He's here in town, and I'll put on Titans film and just see how he managed a game, see situationally what they're doing special teams, what they're doing defensively, how we hired offense, how they fix Taniel. I mean, Mike Brable is as good a football coach as there is. Yeah. Trent Dill.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
Starting point is 00:51:13 I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show.
Starting point is 00:51:39 This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but sell. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok's podcast network on TikTok. On the Look Back at it podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me.
Starting point is 00:52:01 84's big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s.
Starting point is 00:52:15 84 was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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