The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Best of The Herd: Jul 22, 2019

Episode Date: July 22, 2019

Colin explains why Bill Belichick is the biggest coaching advantage not just in the NFL but all of sports.  He admits where he was right and wrong over the weekend.  Plus, GQ Writer Mark Anthony Green who just did a feature on Odell Beckham Jr. comes in studio to talk about Odell's sensitivity, his happiness and if he'll work with the Browns . Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching herd. This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go on a Monday. This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We're live in Los Angeles on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1, one hour from now on Monday, where Colin was right, where Colin is wrong. There is plenty of both, and Joy Taylor is joining me this morning, as always.

Joy, how was your weekend, by the way? went out east. I went to Pittsburgh, yes. Went home to see the family. This is my nephew's 16th birthday yesterday. Happy birthday, Sam. By the way, it's a heat wave out there. It was every bit of a northeast humid weekends.

Like the unbearable, just walk outside and you're just immediately sweating. Like, it's so hot you don't want to speak to each other. It was so humid. But it was nice to be home, though. Yeah, I think that's, I think our friends in the Northeast, I think that's breaking today. I don't think, I think the heat wave

is the Midwest had it, then it moved to the Northeast. It is one of those. We get one or two a summer, just disgusting four or five days of unbearable heat. So the good news is for our friends out east, it is moving on, I think, in the next 24 hours. I was, it's football season, right? And I didn't grow up a Patriot fan. I did not. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest.

I've bounced around the country. I lived in Florida. I've lived in Nevada. Then it was Connecticut. but one of the things I've said is I didn't grow up a Patriot fan, but I became a fan of the way they do business. It is football for smart people. And I've watched a lot of football in my life,

a lot of college, and a lot of pro. And I'd never seen football that was as smart as the way New England does it. They've always got a purpose. Every, every play, every series, every game, every month. And they kind of keep rinsing and repeating. September is their experimental month. Thanksgiving is the kind of the, point of the season where they tighten up the screws and they play great football.

They just keep doing it over and over and over again. And they continue to have doubters. Belichick has just created a system. Brady's a system quarterback. But Tony Romo was talking about Bill Belichick this weekend. And Romo had his first year in the booth for CBS. Romo did a great job. And Romo was talking about Belichick and how, and this is something to say because

Romo is a student of the game. Romo's a smart guy. Romo's a home run as an announcer. I think he's surprised even the people that thought he would be good. He was great. And he talked about Belichick and how he's different than other people in football. When I'm around him, I learn. And that's really a joy when you can really learn something more about football with people around.

Well, you have people that can teach you the game after you've been studying for 15, 20 years. That's a really, that's a joy. I mean, I honestly learn every time I'm around him. That's, he's really, really special. I have a couple of friends who are very close with Belichick. One, in fact, vacations with Bill. And they always say the same thing. Bill's a very curious person.

His mom spoke multiple languages. His dad sort of created scouting. He had very academic, very cerebral parents. And they created a very cerebral little boy who is a studier and a reader and he's curious and he's always growing and he doesn't rest on his laurels. He's uniquely built to be a great coach. He's super creative and super curious. Credit his mother and credit his father and credit the household. They created that.

I think what we have with Belichick, and we don't want to admit it because we love football and football is the sport of hope, right? We all have a chance to win. Like 22 of the 32 teams can make an argument and they can win the Super Bowl. It doesn't work that way in the NBA, baseball, MLS, hockey. And I think we have the greatest gap in the history of any sport in coaching. Think about how great Coach Kay is, right? Now think about this at Duke.

Coach K's great. He's so great in college, we let him coach our pros in the Olympics. And in 15 years, with massive talent advantages at Duke, they've been to two final fours. We think Nick Saban's great. Nick Saban, because you can recruit 25 new first rounders every year in college, with massive talent advantages in his career, it's 14 and 10 in bowl games. And after they lose to Clemson this year, they'll be 14 and 11. in 25 bowl games.

We saw Bill Belichick, the greatest football coach ever, against the best young football coach in the Super Bowl. It was a clinic. It was embarrassing for Sean McVeigh. It was a clinic. Fans in the media get so enamored with talent. When has New England ever had the best talent? One time, 2007, they had the best personnel in the league on offense.

They went 16 and 0 and broke every record. You really think when Freddie Kitchens and Belichick meet in week eight this year, it's a fair fight? Really? When Belichick was winning his first Super Bowl, Freddie Kitchens was the running back coach at North Texas. It's not a fair fight. Even Hall of Fame coaches,

and Mike Tomlin will be a Hall of Fame coach, appear outmatched. Even young coaches, we think, are excellent Anthony Lynn of the Chargers, flummoxed. In 20 years, there are only two coaches that have truly given Bill Belichick trouble. Number one, Andy Reid in the regular season and number two, Tom Coughlin in the postseason.

Outside of that, even when he went up against Pete Carroll in a Super Bowl, or Mike Tomlin, and those are first ballot Hall of Fame guys, Tony Dungies. It felt like he was sort of on a different level. Sean McVan, the Super Bowl, on a completely different level. So we look at these great coaches in sports, as great as Shoshchowski is, with talent advantages, as great as Saban is, with massive talent and money advantages from the SEC. They don't dominate like Bill Belichick does, who's going to win what? His 12th?

Out of the last 13 years, he's going to win his division, have a buy, host a playoff game. I mean, there was a moment last year. Remember when the Rams played the Chiefs in the Coliseum? A thousand yards. Remember that game? It's the craziest football game I've ever seen. There were 105 points. And there were 8, over 1,000 yards.

They were the two most explosive offenses all year. Bill Belichick, who's a defensive coach. His history is in defense. Played the Chiefs and the Rams. Combined. they scored zero points in the first half. And that's the game plan, part of a football game. Second halfs, you can make adjustments,

but who's got more depth, who's got more power, who's got better players? First half is a game plan. We're going to unveil it. The Chiefs and the Rams in the Super Bowl combined. Those two played New England. Could not score a point. Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reed, Tyree killed.

Travis Kelsey couldn't score a point. Robert Woods, Jared Gophe, Sean McVeigh, Andrew Whitworth, Todd Gurley, couldn't score a point combined against Belichick's game plans in the first half. There's never been a gap in coaching in any sport, any level, like Belichick and the rest of the NFL. At 930, we're going to have a young man who wrote a piece on Odell Beckham for Gentleman Quarterly. His name is Mark Anthony Green.

It's a fascinating article, and I'd like to talk about it for a couple minutes. It talks about a bunch of stuff. But I've said before, I think Odell Beckham and Cleveland is going to work initially. I have questions about how it works long term. And the reason being is Cleveland in the off season just added to their strengths and didn't solve their weaknesses. Their weakness was their offensive line. Their strengths were running back and wide receiver. Well, they just added really great players in both of those. And I do have questions. long term. After reading this article, Odell Beckham has certain stats he wants to reach, like 23,000 yards. He has no chance to reach that if Jarvis Landry is on the other side of the

field. Jarvis Landry is a 90-catch wide receiver. That's what he averages. He's a four-straight pro bowl, 90-catch-a-year receiver. Call him their friends. There's an old saying. Friends don't let friends drive drunk. Friends also don't let friends have 45 of their catches. It just doesn't work that way. James Hardin and Russell Westbrook could be friends. Friends don't give the ball and 17 points a night up to their friends. These are short careers. So the interview is fascinating. Odell Beckham is very aware of certain statistical goals he wants to reach and he has no chance to reach them because the guy who's his friend Jarvis Landry is a 90-county. flage fledgling star wide receiver and a volume catcher.

He ain't given 40 catches up to Odell Beckham, and they've got the best young tight-in in football, and they've got three legitimate running backs. So Cleveland, in baseball, the Dodgers need bullpen help. They wouldn't go get another starter. In basketball, the Utah Jazz needed a point guard that could shoot and an outside guy that could shoot. That's what the Utah Jazz acquired.

In basketball, you find pieces you don't have. In baseball, you fill up the bullpen if it's struggling. In football, the Browns had a great ride receiver and a great tight end and several backs, and they've added to all of them. And what's interesting is Odell in this interview has real statistical global goals from his brand to his numbers he wants to achieve. They mean a lot to him, and I think that's great. he's not going to

he's not going to reach those I mean he's fully aware of his numbers at one point he talked about his Instagram page he goes I remember that great catch I went home and I added like 100,000 Instagram followers then 200,000 if you would have asked me five years ago I'd have 13

million followers on Instagram I would have told you no way numbers he likes to achieve he's keeping track and that's okay I like goals and I like people who set them but it will be fascinating after you read this article to see how it works in Cleveland. Because the Brown's general manager, they didn't need a wide receiver, and they didn't

need running backs, and they added both. What they needed was a better offensive line and better tackles, and they added neither. And there are so many interesting parts of this interview. I'm going to have the guy who wrote it coming up in about 15 minutes. But the O'Dell Cleveland story, I think, will work initially. but it's going to have some hardened Westbrook to it. When you put two superstar gifted players, even when they're great friends together,

guys don't let other guys have their catches. It just doesn't work that way. I think it's going to work initially. But when you start reading this and you see Odell's goals and the Jerry Rice numbers he talks about and the Instagram followers, he's aware of this stuff. And Jarvis Landry is as good as almost any young wide receiver in the game. And he's a 90 catch wide receiver.

There's no room for another guy to make 80. They just don't have that many. They don't have that many plays. Chris Carter this morning talked about it. Like he had to work and play with Randy Moss at one point. Here's Chris Carter. When Dennis Green started putting Randy Moss in my position in the offense, and he started letting Randy know, listen, we can dictate the coverage.

I'm going to show you the secret recipe to how we've been making this guy so good didn't like that one so much. So Hardin, former MVP, Hardin is trying to get postseason success. He don't need Russ, all right? Right now in his career. I didn't need Randy Moss.

It was up to the coaches to be able to find the system and it worked for about three and a half years. Three and a half years, that's when they put Randy, start putting him in my spot, and I wasn't happy. Yeah, it's really going to be fascinating to watch. The Harden-Westbrook thing is going to feel like Odell and Jarvis. Friends will make it work for a while.

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available on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. By the way, we'll have the guy on Mark Anthony Green, the author of the Odell GQ interview. There's just a lot of different stuff. And at number one is he's got, as I said, to start the show, he's got some big lofty goals. I don't think he can attain them his football goals, simply because he's got an really talented guy next to him, Jarvis Landry, who averages 90 catches a year, and he's not given his buddy 40 of those. So I don't think Odell's ever going to reach the football goals he has in Cleveland.

it's not because of Baker. In fact, Baker will probably do as good a job as you can possibly do getting in the football. But this team in Cleveland just added to their strengths. They had running backs. They added another. They had great receivers. They added another. That's not what Cleveland needed.

Cleveland needed offensive line help. So it's a fascinating architecture, a fascinating build, and Odell will never reach his goals because he's simply around too many other mouths that need to be fed. The other thing he said, he compared himself to Tom Brady. And this is a little troubling when, you know, everybody's got issues and we all know we have issues. If I talk to Joy about her issues or I talk to me about my issues, I know my issues. I've gotten a therapy over my issues. The problem is when somebody doesn't see their issues and they don't think they're an issue.

That's when problems arise. Basically, Odell sees himself. He just cares a lot about football, just like his friend Tom Brady. He says, you know, Tom throws a cup, yells at refs, yells at his coach is because he cares that bad. He wants to win. But because he's got six Super Bowls, they've been. validated and say, well, he's won six Super Bowls. You know, when I'm kicking a net or whatever, they're mad at me.

Oh, oh, no, that's not it, O'Dell. And I like you, but that's not it. You peed in the back of the end zone. You proposed to a kicking net. Week before a playoff game, you make sure a picture gets out with you and a bunch of guys with blunts on it. Odell, you're not Tom Brady. When Tom Brady shows brief emotion in a game, it is a brief

productive argument or a snip with an offensive coordinator to get them to another level. It is not dragged on. It's an outlier. In fact, there's a reason we always show Brady yelling at this Josh McDaniel, because it never happens. This is why we always show this one piece of tape in 19 years. Tom Brady yells at his coaches, and we always bring out the same piece of tape because it doesn't happen. Odell Beckham, we did something a year ago, or six months ago, we said,

what are his 10 most memorable moments? Seven of ten were non-football. Tom Brady ripped up his hand before they played Jacksonville. It was a disturbing gash that was later a picture of it came out. It was disgusting. He kept it totally private. Nobody saw it until weeks and weeks later. Odell Beckham got hurt against, I believe, Cleveland, and the dramatic response to it, lying down in the tunnel, he was on the field, Odell Beckham, these are not outliers.

This is the brand of Odell Beckham, which is he wears people out. He's highly emotional. You don't know day-to-day possession to possession week to week, the Odell you get. But he sees himself as Tom. No, there's a reason that when in 19 years, the first time we had ever seen a little bit of a schism between Belichick and Brady, the first time we ever saw it, it wasn't even Tom talking about it. Do you remember that?

So the only time in 19 years were like, ooh, Belichick and Brady are fighting. it was Tom's wife who brought it up in this five-second clip. This last two years have been very challenging for him in so many ways. And I think he just, you know, he tells me I love it so much, and I just want to go to work and feel appreciated and have fun. A benign comment. We were like, whoa! We got ourselves a crazy fight.

Because it's an outlier. And that piece of video is an outlier. That's why we only show one piece of video with Odell Beckham. He's been in the NFL 70% less than Tom has. His career is not even now a third of Tom. I've got 15 pieces of crazy video. But he sees himself as, I'm Tom, we're passionate. That would worry me.

I do not think they're the same people. I think they're all-time talents, but there is a difference between exceptions and outliers. It's why we always run the same two pieces of tape, yelling at Josh McDaniels for a second, and his wife going, he just wants to be respected. And that's all we have in 19 years.

That's it. The coverage bear. And that was the first time we went, you know, Brady and Belichick have a problem here. And then I went away and they won the Super Bowl. That's usually the end result for all the New England problems. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Mark Anthony Green had previously interviewed LeBron James.

He sat down with a guy that I think is fascinating, Odell Beckham Jr. And let's bring him on the show now because I think the interview gives you all sorts of insight to who O'Dell Beckham is. So Mark Anthony Green, it's nice to meet you. So about it was in the winter. Six months ago, Odell Beckham calls me on FaceTime. Oh, okay. We talked for 30 minutes. Okay, you guys are good friends.

No, but we talked. Okay. I'll give you some background. So I had talked about something on the air. And I had said, I don't remember O'Dell Beckham being a problem at LSU or his first year in New York. But I said it's quite possible that he is a person, because I can relate to this, that doesn't do well with chaos. And the giants have become increasingly chaotic. And that may be a poor environment for him, like it is for me.

I've gone to therapy on this. I don't like chaotic situations. Like stability. Right. He called me and goes, man, you nailed it. Right. He goes, the last three years, I don't know what I'm getting week to week. So we had this fascinating guy.

He did most of the talking, but he was fascinating. Yeah, yeah. Now, we've since fallen out. I said something he didn't like. But let's talk about Odell, the person before we go, Mark, to Odell the football player. Do you think he's happy? In your conversation, you're dealing with a happy athlete? I mean, I asked them.

I said, you know, are you happy? And he said, yeah. So, you know, I got to. I got to take his word on that. I think my observation of him is that in L.A. with his friends, with his family, with his dogs, he loves his dogs. He's super happy. He was super happy because he's in his own environment.

And, you know, there was some distance from so much scrutiny. And it was a little distance from, you know, playing the game. But he also, I think, really loves playing the game of football. And in an ideal world, he would play the game. game and be able to play the game his way with who he wants to play with. And I think that Cleveland is close to an ideal situation for him. Okay. So you say, you think in his world he'd just like to play football. See, this is where I would push back. I think he also like the Instagram followers. And there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that comes with it.

He likes, I said this. Remember before Facebook, there was a company called MySpace. Okay. Okay. MySpace. You're a little older than me. I know. I don't know. But MySpace was a precursor to Facebook. Yeah. MySpace wasn't, we weren't quite ready for MySpace. Facebook took the best of it, tweaked it, and made a Titan.

Odell Beckham in my lifetime is the first NBA player in the NFL. And I'm not quite sure the league is pivoting. This is my takeaway. He's MySpace. That is, O'Dell being the first NBA player

in the NFL, that is what we would call a bar. That is good sentence. It's great. I agree with you 100%. The thing I would say is that if you love the NFL, it needs more NBA players, or it's going to end up like the MLB. Which is old, stagnant. You need personalities.

This is entertainment. And I think people like O'Dell Beckham Jr., though they are rare, they're really special. You remember that movie, Wild Things? No, of course. I mean, not Wild Things, the character's name was Wild Things, the Major League. Yeah, of course. And by the way, Wild Things was also good with a young woman who I used to have a crush on, but that's another movie. Yeah, again, you know, different generations.

But, you know, I think that he really, he's kind of like that character. He's, you know, Charlie Sheen's character in the film, you know, even down to the haircut. I mean, this is a guy who he's super electrifying. He plays with passion, you know, for better and for worse. And I can't figure out what more you would want from a place. for entertainment, you know? This is true. Joy and I talk about this a lot.

What makes basketball work is labor runs the show and basketball. Labor runs the league. Why don't we call them stars? I don't want to call it labor. I understand what you're saying. Employees. Technically, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like an employee, it's in a company that employees have all the stock. Yes. Right. So employees or slash, I'll just use labor like that's an old term. Ron, the NFL has really been, and by the way, it's

should be that way, Mark, because basketball players change commerce and points. 100%. Outside of quarterbacks, Vegas doesn't designate a single NFL player that's worth a point. JJ Watt was not worth half a point. So my pushback on that would be for entertainment, you are right. But the NFL's like, our Pro Bowl gets higher ratings than all of their games except the finals. We're not about the star. We're about the system.

We're about the shield. They got to evolve? or I'm saying we're having this conversation now and part of our job, everyone's job here is to try to see around the curve. Right. And I'm saying on this show, they have to change that mindset

or the NFL will struggle in the future and it's going to get worse and worse. And people like O'Dell Beckham Jr., for your company is a great thing and you should embrace that. Yeah, well, we do. We talk about them all the time. And think, I mean, you guys embrace it.

You know, and sometimes he likes what you say. sometimes you don't. But you understand that. These kids, I mean, every kid is obsessed with sneakers now. Every kid is into fat. You see all these kids that try to dress like these NBA players. Odell's one of the few NFL players that has embraced out. Obviously, I'm coming from GQ, so it's the thing I pay attention to.

Right. But, I mean, that's a massive part of influence. And all these people that had Odell with Beckham Jr.'s haircut, I mean, imagine if you had five Odell's, your sport, the thing that you're selling, is now just, that much more influential. Mark, do you worry? There are numbers, and I've heard him mention that Jerry Rice number several times, 23,000 yards. It is not currently attainable unless he was the number one dominant receiver getting about 80 catches a year and stayed injury free. Right. Jarvis Landry is a special player. He is a 90-catch a year pro bowler. Okay. Friends don't give friends catches. Yep.

I don't think his numbers are attainable. Do you think now, as we segue into a football part of it? Right. Does Cleveland work? And what if it does it? initially simply because Jarvis Landry's too darn special on the other side of the field. Right. You only have so many balls throw up. They also have the best young tight end in football and the best running back combination. Right. Well, let me start with the prediction.

And, you know, sure. This is between us. Yeah. Nobody's listening. Yeah. I'm predicting the Cleveland Browns to win a Super Bowl. This year. This year.

First year, I think it's going to work to answer your question. I, you know, I think that a lot of things in, you know, on Twitter. in previous segments, people are like criticizing O'Dell for having this goal. I think that's silly. He should, on one hand, we're like, hey, you got to really want to be the best.

You got to want to care about football. We're pushing him to have this passion and this preoccupation with the game of football. Then he has this big goal, and he's serious about it, and we're like, yeah, but you're never going to get that, and it's crazy that you have that goal. In fact, it's selfish, and it's not going to worry.

Like, no, of course. you know, he should have that goal. Everyone should look in the mirror and try to go out and be the best. And if you're not the best, you should be trying to beat the best. And that's all he's trying to do in my perception of it. He talks about retirement at one point in his career. So obviously, New York was not, at some point, this was not working at all. Yeah, yeah.

Like how low do you think it went for him there? I think it got really bad. But I also think, from being very honest, I think Odell's, sensitive. I'm sensitive. So I felt like I was speaking to another person who's sensitive. And I think that I always try to, no matter who I'm interviewing, be LeBron James, Odell, whoever, I try to put myself in their shoes. I try to apply what they're going through in their work and personal life to my work and personal life. And if things were, as you said, as chaotic at GQ and the only way I could play the game is be at GQ, I probably would think about retirement as well, because

I'm sensitive. So I think that sensitive people make some of the best things, and we look at that as a criticism. I personally think it's awesome. So, you know, I think he was really, really bad, but I also think he's sensitive. And I think the Browns are better equipped to deal with a sensitive superstar like Odell. When it was done, what was your big, obviously you think he's sensitive. We've got to, darn it, we're up against time. Can you stick around for a second? I'm here with you.

I'm here all day. They got food. It's great. That's always my answer to. They got food. Three words, I'll be around. We were talking about he's a sensitive person. You said, you're sensitive, Odell's sensitive.

What would worry you? What would be a troubling sign mark to you in Cleveland? Week five, week six, something happens. Where would you, with your insight now go, oh, this is not the direction, not the pivot, I want to say? You know, I think that if you start to see his body language, you know, Odell, for better and for worse, he's really transparent, right? And I think that when he's upset, you can see he's upset. When he's really happy, you can see he's really happy. How long did you sit down with them, talk to him? We spent, like, a full day together, and then we met at the shoot before, and I've obviously, like, met him a few times at different events and mutual friends and stuff like that. But he was really hospitable.

But I think that the thing about Odell is that, you know, he is really transparent. And so I think we'll see early if he's feeling this situation. And Odell, to me, is one of those talents that he's only going to be happy if they're winning. He's only going to be happy if he's playing well and contributing to them win. So his production and winning does alter his personality. Yes. I think if they're losing, no matter what, if everyone's a night, to him. If he likes everybody he works with, I think that he's still going to be upset because

I believe he wants to win. And when he says that, I think we should believe him. Historically, Cleveland has had people who become global icons and they all leave. LeBron left, Rockefeller, Steinbrenner, musicians. Yeah. To New York, to L.A., Drew Carey, they move on. It's not a place where global icons move to. Yeah, it's not. So my initial thought was Cleveland wouldn't have been his first chance.

choice. I'm sure it wasn't. In fact, I know it wasn't. How do you think it'll work based on the fact that he is, when I think of Odell, I think of New York, Hollywood, Paris. I don't think Cleveland. I do think cities matter. But you made a really good point earlier that I think answers this question. In, you know, a digital age where social media is king, how is O'Dell Beckham Jr. getting lost in Cleveland? What is he going to do that I would miss in Cleveland? Nothing. So I don't think he loses anything, and I think that that idea of going to,

I'm from Kansas City, I'm from a Midwest city. So, you know, I pull for all the Midwest cities. Sure. I want them all to win and get all the stars. But the idea that somebody's going to get lost in that, I just think is antiquated, and I don't think it's real. And when you're as big as Odell, you bring your own follow.

The only thing that he's going to not have to deal with is like, you know, in New York City. Paparopsy. Well, that a little bit, but he'll still have to deal with some of that in some form of it. I mean, everyone with the phone is a paparazzi, you know, and he's learned that the hard way. So I don't think anything, I don't think he's going to lose anything. In New York City, we're tough, and I love, I wouldn't live anywhere on the planet. It's my favorite city in the world. But when you are an athlete in New York City,

you got to deal with the day. You got to deal with the post. You got to deal with the days. You got to deal with it. Mark, if there's a personality that works in New York, Derek Jeter talked and never said anything. Joe Torrey talked and never said anything. Eli Manning talks and never says anything.

Yeah. I mean, there's almost a personality profile. Sam Darnold, by the way, in New York. Sam Darnold doesn't say anything. Didn't drink on his birthday. Like New York adds the intensity. If you're intense going, into that intensity, it can implode.

Yeah. And so you think it to it sounds like you like him actually out of New York City. I think it's good for him. Another thing that I think it'll do quickly is when there's less social distractions and things to do that are just fun, you know,

who are you going to hang out with? Your teammates. Or your dogs. You say he loves his dogs. He loves his dogs. Yeah. So I think that, you know, the best thing that the Browns could do is get that team to gel as quickly as possible. And from my prediction, selfishly. I want them to because I want this chip in the first year. Yeah. Mark Anthony Green, author of Odell.

It's online right now. It's online right now. Yeah, go check it. So you said you spent a day with Odell Beckham. When you're with him and he's ever out in public, I've been around a lot of pro athletes in public. NBA guys can't hide. Yeah. Six, nine and a half can't hide. Odell mobbed uncomfortable, comfortable. Is he comfortable with his stardom? I've seen him when we were together, obviously, in other scenarios, extremely comfortable, really hospitable. The thing about Adele is he kind of gets, you know, he's a showman. Like, he is a true, like, natural entertainer.

If, you know, if he didn't have a single athletic bone in his body, I think he'd be doing something else in entertainment. And so I think he loves that. He wants to be a big star this we know. So some people, Jay Cutler, legendarily, hated being. talk to seen in public. Some people just don't like it. He likes it. I don't think you can say you hate to be seen in public

and then you have curly locks. It's like a black dude. You know what I mean? Like you're going out of your way to like be seen. And I again, I think that that is the best thing. If you care about the NFL, you care about any, you need people like that.

Well, and you say he's comfortable with it. So I have no problem with somebody drawing attention themselves and they're comfortable in that space. I think he loves it. Okay, Mark Anthony Green. It's gentlemen's quarterly for some of you guys. You need fashion. Start there.

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Here we go. Colin was right. Ezekiel Elliott is in the news again this morning, quote, making plans to leave the country amid his contract holdout. Listen, I like my running backs to be elusive. Not this elusive. He's out of the country.

I'll say it again. I've always questioned judgment, not talent, not love for football. Why is this story getting out? It's right before training camp. It looks like it was time to be right before training camp, to be very disrupted for a football. team that is loaded with talent, but in a division with Philadelphia cannot be distracted.

This is my question about Zeke, his judgment. Clearly, they wanted this story out there right before camp, holding out with two years left. And his contract said it last week, and I'll say it again. Despite his talent, I think you can get a haul of picks and some good players for him. I would move him. I know it sounds counterintuitive to move the best player at his position, but it happens all the time in football. This is not the NBA. You can win a lot of games with a B running back if you have the Cowboys line. If you have the Cowboys defense, that's where I'd go with it. Where Colin was wrong.

Mani Pacchio not only beat Keith Thurman, he completely controlled the fight. If you would have told me Mani Pacquiao was going to knock out Thurman in the first round, I would have bet a million dollars. And he did. Listen, Stiles make fights. Mani's style was a nice. nightmare for Thurman and you could tell about halfway through the first round. Thurman didn't move his feet. At least didn't plan on it for the first three rounds. As Manny dominated the first three to four rounds, scoring effectively, going right after him. Listen, Thurman had a good seventh round and did win a few rounds and as the fight wore on, he landed some punches to Pachial. But as old as Manny looked against Mayweather, he looked like

the youngest 40-year-old boxer in the history of the sport. Thurman's sort of lethargic, plotting, hunting style worked perfectly for the volume puncher and scorer Manny Pachio, won the fight convincing. I don't know how, I have no idea how one judge had Keith Thurman winning it split decision. I thought Manny won by four rounds. Where Colin was right? Amazon series, all or nothing. Cameras around Cam Newton all last year in the Carolina Panthers.

Oh, Lord, he is the opposite of Tom Brady. Tom Brady is obsessed with football. In this series, I don't think I ever saw Cam talking about football. He's got a music guru. Tom's got a kale pajamas guru. Whereas Brady is totally consumed with football, and it's hard to even find frames of Tom versus Time that aren't about football. It was hard to find moments when Cam wasn't talking about music,

had a cigar in his mouth, eating junk food. As far as committed to the sport, Tom is and Cam, I mean, it's hard to get around it. Tom has kale ice cream. Cam had junk food, cigars. If you love Cam, you'll love him more. If you are a person like me who has always questioned his commitment to it, boy, you came out of that thing going, Lord. Cam is exactly what. through the year sources have told me he's not a bad teammate that that's not the point but he is

a distracted quarterback in a world where it has become an 11 and a half month sport where Colin was wrong uh Miami heat are not even now interested in Chris Paul I thought that was the obvious one they could put some jet fuel with draft picks get Chris Paul for a couple years in fact a story broke this weekend that the Miami Heat were more interested in Westbrook's awful contract than Chris Paul. Listen, in 2019, he's too much drama. He doesn't get along with other star players, and he's too damn expensive. He's still a 15 and 8 player, but his field goal numbers went down.

His ability to dominate defensively is not as good. I thought Miami was a perfect landing spot for him, but the story is now breaking. They would have taken Westbrook over Chris Paul. Wrong on that. Where Colin was right. But Tobias Harris of the Sixers admitted this weekend, talking to Marcus Hayes of the Philadelphia Inquirer, yeah, I felt underutilized last year.

The pieces didn't really fit. This is what we said last year with Philadelphia. It was the second best roster in the NBA, but it didn't work. Simmons and MB don't play well together. Butler's really talented, but if you put him with Tobias Harris, who's getting the shots at the end of games?

Tobias Harris was honest. He said what we said all year. It just didn't work. That's why Reddick's not there. That's why Butler's not there. I'm not convinced Ben Simmons long term will be there. But I did appreciate what Tobias Harris said is I was underutilized. The coaching staff admits the pieces didn't fit and I was underutilized.

And this is what we thought the Sixers were all year. Really talented but didn't have the chemistry to beat a Milwaukee, beat a Golden State, beat top teams, the NBA. Where Colin was wrong. Pro football focus ranked all the NFL quarterbacks entering this year and they had Brady won and Breeze 2 and Andrew Luck 5 and Russell Wilson 6. Those all my guys. And then had Baker Mayfield 10. What? At Baker Mayfield in the top 10. What? Off his 1 and 5 record against winning teams or off his 6 and 7 overall record or off his 14 interceptions? Top 10 already? And I like pro football focus.

They're almost never wrong. And they have all the guys I like up there. Maybe I'll have to unsubscribe. I top 10 already off that year. All right. Where Colin was right. Remember I always saying baseball, the really smart teams do not sign these players to 10-year contracts. It's just dumb business.

Well, the Dodgers GM, Andrew Friedman's a smart guy. The Dodgers have won their division, six straight years. There are currently 16 games out in front. And Andrew Friedman, one of baseball's keenest intellects, came out this weekend. He says, yes, we always feel pressure to make a deal and improve our team. We have to balance that with not being stupid. That is a direct shot at the owner of the Phillies, John Middleton, the majority owner, who said last year in free agency, you've got to be a little stupid with your money in free agency.

The Dodgers GM just took a not so thinly veiled shot at the Phillies majority owner saying, yeah, we need to get better in the bullpen, but we're not going to be stupid. Once again, Phillies aren't as well run. Dodgers are exceptionally well run. These 10-year contracts are bad business. They don't work. The Phillies are in third place. Bryce Harper leads the league in strikeouts, although he's still a good two.

255, 260 hitter with power. I like Bryce Harper. But this deal is gone not nearly as well as they thought for the team or for Bryce. Where Colin was wrong. Last week I protested coffee shops for their exorbitant fees. I said I would never go to one the rest of my life. Here I was. I'm spent a $450, $500 a month. I can make this stuff at home. And I said, that's it. I'm done. I'm never buying coffee at a coffee shop again. And then I started doing it. in my head. I'm going to spend $30,000 if I live a normal life drinking coffee I can make at home. That's a new car. What am I doing with my life? I'm no, you can hold me accountable. I'm never going to a coffee shop again. Okay, I said that Monday, and by Thursday, Joyce came into the meeting and said, what's that Pete's coffee thing? I am so stuck in my habit that I bought another coffee. And by the way, I blame Skip Bayless and Shannon because they took the week off.

I'm pretty sure there was coffee in the break room where I make tea every morning. 30 steps away. It's forcing me to have to go to a coffee shop. This is like doing a New Year's resolution. In January 4th, you blow it up. Yeah, well, I mean, that's why those generally don't work. You can't get anything past a woman, Colin. You've got to know that by now.

Oh, I do. Where Colin was right. Been saying for years, stop whining about NBA players getting together. It's what they do at AAU. It's what they do at college basketball. Why always rip an NBA guy's sport? All you Duke fans and Carolina fans, you love when all the stars join your team.

Well, what do you know? A pair of five-star recruits are going to join Bronny James Jr. at Sierra Canyon. D. Wade's son, rising senior BJ Boston, number two shooting guard in the country, and a top 10 recruit, Zaire Williams. Oh, wait.

You mean, in high school, stars join? So that makes high school, AAU, college basketball, and NBA, where good basketball players join forces with other really good basketball players. So don't tell me you love college basketball. You hate the NBA because the stars, they always gang up together.

Well, time out. They've been doing it in high school. Basketball's culture. Great players want to play with other great players. And it's not just the NBA. It's every level. Where Colin was right? A designer for Madden.

You know the video game Madden. So a designer for Madden. quote, Aaron Rogers has been kind of taken a bit of a downhill slope the past three years. His accuracy's gotten progressively worse over the past two years. And while he might have been playing hurt, he can't really project how much that impacted him because we don't know everything and everyone who was hurt and how much it impacted them in a week-to-week basis. We saw a different Aaron Rogers the past two years than we'd seen in years past, so we downgraded him this year.

This is what I've been saying. I don't hate Aaron Rogers. I watch the games. He is not the same quarterback today as several years ago. Now, you can blame Mike McCarthy for everything. Go for it. But I got news for you. Belichick and Brady are rare.

Generally, quarterbacks have a lot of coordinators and a lot of coaches and they go through them. And, I mean, many of the great coaches, the Jimmy Johnson, the Bill Parcells, they moved around to teams. So this is not anti-Aaron Rogers. I don't put him in my top two or three in, in recent years because I don't think he's as good.

I think he has peaked. I think he's 35. I think the injuries are cumulative. And I don't, now, I do think he could have a bounce back year. But it's not me. Even the Madden people are like, yeah, we look at all the film to great players.

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