The Herd with Colin Cowherd - BEST OF UFC 316: Merab Dvalishvili on facing O'Malley, Kayla Harrison compares Peña to chihuahua

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

In this week's edition of the BEST OF Daniel Cormier, we look at back at interviews with Merab Dvalishvili and Kayla Harrison ahead of defending and winning UFC championships at UFC 316 in Newark, New Jersey! Dvalishvili speaks on how he was ready to finish Sean O'Malley, his hilarious viral videos including his moment with Aline Perez, and why he punched one of DC's gym friends. And don't miss Kayla Harrison's awesome interview with Cormier where they talk Khabib Nurmagomedov, the fight with Amanda Nunes soon to come, and why Julianna Peña is just like her own chihuahua. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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time after you beat umar did you know it would be shan o'malley after i beat umar i wanted to be busy and uh yeah shonomal was another option maybe uh after peterian and uh uh uh uh Yeah, I was thinking maybe either Piteriano or either Shono Marley and the UFC tell me to it's Shono Mali, Pateriano was supposed to fight somebody else. And yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy I have another fight coming up. Even I already fought him. It's a new fight, new challenge for me.

And, you know, of course he wants to avenge his loss back and he will fix his mistake. He's been working to get better every level, even strong. striking, wrestling, grappling, and it's going to be another challenge for us. Hey, I had a kid going to your gym, and you knocked them down, bro. Why? You punched the guy's stomach. Who? I watched a video.

One of my guys, one of my wrestling guys goes into your gym. Nice enough to give you rounds, and you punches. Why do you do this? Why did you do this to him, Rob? We was just fine. But you killed it. Why are you killing me? No, like my mind.

My body shot got better and I was testing, you know. So you tested on him? Yeah, I guess, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw the video, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So yeah. So maybe like you need to answer to me now. No, no, no.

You're too strong. Let's talk about your last fight a little bit before we go forward. First two rounds, Omar's fighting great. Yes. Right? He's fighting really good. Seems like he won the first two rounds. are you aware that it's not going as well as you wanted? And what was the thought?

Because in that third round, you kind of, you changed completely, right? You were more successful in the takedowns. The pressure was even higher. Like, what did you make of that performance? For me, even first two round was like close rounds. It was close. Yeah, I don't know which way it was going to go, but I was positive. And like we know, I know, like, my coaches know.

told me too, like after the first rounds, you'll be just keep doing your thing, it would be easy. And I was just keep doing my thing. And then he literally slowly, you know, he was slowly, slowly a little bit breaking, and he was himself. And I was even, as rounds goes more on, I'm getting even better, yes. And then I think I show everybody this time.

And yeah, I, you know, I think one time I got him good body punch too. but I see his face change and then I was going to go after, but he shoot me and he still, even he was tired, he was still moving and doing okay. How much can you apply from, how much can you take from that fight and apply it to this fight? Right?

Because you have a more motivated Sean O'Malley, but Umar's a high level striker, Sean O'Malley doesn't have the wrestling that Umar has. How much can you take from that fight and apply it to this one to make sure that you not only beat Sholomali, but you beat him in a more impressive way. I thought you won five or four rounds in the first fight. How do you do it better?

I'm not sure what I can take from the Umar's fight to this fight, but yeah, just I get more comfortable, like just more competence, so I can fight any, any, any style of the fight. there again and then nobody can do shit. And so, but Omari fight, it's a new challenge, like I said. You know, I'm sure he's been working to stop me. And I believe I'm a better fighter than him, but I still have to respect his power,

his reach, his speed. And it's a new fight, new challenge, you know, not. every fight goes same way. You know, you had rematches before. Me, many. Yeah, and it can play out. This fight different, this fight, different. And that's why I'm trying to take this fight serious,

and it's a new challenge for me. It's a new fight, and I'm looking forward to it. I think I fought 15 times in the UFC. Seven were against three people. Wow. I fought the same guys over and over and over again. Yeah, it's fucked up, man. It's a new fight, right?

Yeah, it was like every... But it was always the same guys, like rematch, rematch, trilogy match, like always the same. Marabot's worrisome though. If you're a fan of Marab Du Wallace Willie, I saw a quote the other day that you said, the motivation is not as easily gained to fight O'Malley again. Why is that? And how do you make sure that you're motivated to fight a guy that is motivated to fight you? Yeah, so like when I fight first time new opponent, it's easy to be motivated because you have a new challenge, you never fought him.

And in your eyes, you respect him so much. And it's a new challenge and you more white look, his dangerous skills. But when you already beat him, it's not easy to treat him as a dangerous. But see, that's dangerous in that thought, though, no more out. That's not dangerous thought? Like, I know I can beat him. But you just said it's a new challenge. Yeah.

So if you're not motivated to go fight a guy that you, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's dangerous. I agree. That's why I'm like, I'm putting extra motivate myself to know this guy is dangerous. This guy hits hard. And this guy will change stuff. And then that's why I motivate myself all this time. And, yeah, so like I said, beginning, it was hard to motivate myself.

I already beat him because, but I have enough motivation to be motivated, be focused, and I realize all the danger. And now I done training camp everything what I was supposed to do. You know, I prepare very good. And, you know, then this fight, I'm going to look for finish him, and I'm looking for giving him more damage. But Rob, were you surprised at anything? in the first fight with Shona Ovali?

Because like you said, you make him into a monster. Like this guy hits hard, he's fast, and it's reached. And then you beat him in the way that you did. Like, were you surprised at anything in there? I was surprised, yes, like how easy I was winning this fight. And I was surprised how this guy beat my friend Al Jemai Stanley. And I also watched the fight and I can hear your commentate too. Like, you was also surprised too, like how easy was able to do.

You were taking him down easier than that. easier than I thought. Yes. But he said he was hurt in that fight. Yeah, it's bullshit. It's bullshit. Said he had surgery after that, Rob? No, listen, I did two times after the fight surgery,

but I still win the fight, you know? But we all have some problems in fight or some old injury, something like that. But if really something serious, we're not fight. But if something- Especially as the champion. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

You know, if you're able to training, if you're able to fight, and then it doesn't mean that it's serious. But if it's serious, you do surgery. And then if something you can do surgery later, this, you know. So no, yeah, that's how I was surprised, but like what I say earlier, so, you know, he has a knack of power and he can, everybody can get knocked down. Did he crack you in the fifth round? Not cry, I'm not going to say, crack me, but he, like, he, like, he, like, he, he can, he,

let me feel his, like, first time I felt his body kick. And then if he landed me like two more clean like this, then maybe it can be a problem, you know? That's why I like, when he got me with the body kick, I'm like, fuck, like, I was just two minutes earlier. I was holding him down. But because of the referee told me, move, do something. I let him get up.

I should not let him go. You can't listen to the referee, Marat. I mean, I know how are you not going to listen to the referee? Because what's you going to do? The worst he can do is pick you up, you don't let him go. Thank you. So that's good advice. I used to tell me this he twice before.

So what happened was I take him down in a foot round. I was punching. And referee told me, fighters, move, do something. And I changed the position. I let him come a little bit up. And I was punching. And he told me something. And I let go.

What should I do? You go fucking. Just like, punch him in, look at the room, go, fuck you. And you're all like, let him go. Why? Like, you let him go. Yeah, you help me to take him down. Right? Yeah, exactly.

So, and after I was chasing to take him down, and he was defending him, like, he was pulling up legs. Yeah. And it was hard to take him down a few times after, like, after, let me go. And then the body kick comes, And then I'm like, I should try to finish him early. Like, why I play with him?

I was mad about myself. And, yeah, that's how I play. And so, yeah, I said he let me fault the body kick. And after I was, yeah, so just I was like mad about myself why I should finish him. Well, Rob, two questions before we're done. One is about Sean O'Malley. He's made some changes, right?

One of the biggest things that I took, I went to your house after that fight, and you were running on Monday. And that to me was like, wow, this guy thinks different. Most of us go on a victory tour. We rest, we drink, the alcohol, you know, we hang out. You were running getting ready. He said that because he knows now he's preparing for a different person. Now, he doesn't smoke. He doesn't travel.

He's eliminated so many things in his life. how much can he change and how much do you expect him to be different inside the octagon, right? Because now he's eliminated a lot of the things that can be seen as distractions, right? Party and going out, doing all this stuff. Now he's not doing that because of you

because he knows he has to be better to be you. Yes. This all stuff will help him for sure. But does it make much of a difference when it's a change opposed to it being just your life? It's what you live every day. You've never strayed from that.

Yeah, you're right. You know, you have to balance your life in a little bit. You cannot be like, I don't know. Let's see. I mean, if he enjoys now this different lifestyle and maybe that shows how much he wants to just win and maybe it was distraction, who knows? I'm sure it's going to affect him, like, good ways,

and it's going to help, like, focus. and be mentally more ready, I think. And I think even if he lost again, he will tell him himself, hey, I try my best. I think that's how I look. But my job is to expect him in the best way. Marab, you spent 25 minutes with this man. Yes.

Can this man present a problem for you inside an octagon? Do you feel like you just can beat Sean O'Malley? I think I can beat him, but now I give him too much respect, like I'm fighting first time, and that's my job to don't look him easy. But, yeah, of course, he has a knuckle power. He's very small, his speed. I cannot relax or make any mistake with him, you know. Marab, you've been living life, having fun.

Yes. Became the champ, travel. You've had some great moments. Can I tell you my favorite Marab moment? Yes, for sure. Paris. Paris? Oh.

There. You mentioned some interior with this, right? Yeah, this is the interview I said. I said, this is a man, Rob. Why are you, why are you asked, can I touch this? This is my favorite Maraam moment about my life. You know, I see, you know, it's, I don't know how.

So, yeah, she all the time. She all the time twerk. Yeah, talk and, yeah. So I said, I guess I was able to slap her ass to. Can I touch this? This is the greatest thing. Because all men think this, right? I know you're married, but...

Yeah, all men think this. If you're not married... Bound! Yeah! Get I touched that, Miro? Can I touch that? I mean, come on, man. It's NBA finals time, and the boy D.C.

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No, he's very aware. We have a bet going right now, actually. You and Henry? Yeah. What is it? We bet years ago before I ever signed with UFC, we bet and Khabib was there, Habib was there, a bunch of guys were there,

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That is the best. It's good. Guys, I'm here with Kayla Harrison. Sorry. For the UFC Bannonly Championship this weekend. All that we're talking about, right, while we're talking about it and it's funny, it's all true, right? It's all true. You have won two Olympic gold medals.

Yeah. You have won the PFL championship. Yep. You've won everywhere you've been. You're now here in the UFC and you're already on the verge of a title. Yeah. How does it feel getting to a moment that you not only predicted, but so many expected? Now, that is where it gets difficult.

I mean, I think that having all of this experience that I have, having years of competing on the biggest stages in the world has prepared me and sort of helps me to learn that that's all noise. And like, none of that matters, you know? Like, I do this because I love it. I do it because I want to. I do it because it's my dream. The outside pressure is, you know, I mean,

no one had ever won an Olympic gold medal before. So, like, being in the finals of an Olympic medal, match and knowing that no one ever someone had one silver someone had one bronze but nobody had ever won gold like that's that's a different kind of pressure oh my god yeah um Kayla we have all kind of almost anointed you as the champ the moment you got here right everybody started talking about it you have to win some fights to to finally get this opportunity um juliana Pena gets the belt back in that fight against Raquel Pennington.

Did you think that she won that fight? Or did you think Raquel won that fight? I didn't give the fight to her. After going back and watching it, I thought that Raquel won the fight, but, you know, I'm not a judge, so. So, and I ask you this, you're in the back. Chale and I have had a field deal with this.

Have you? You're in the back. Chale is not my biggest fan, by the way. He'd be talking a lot of shit about me. He loves you. Does he? He constantly puts you over. Does he?

Yes. Are you sure? I swear to God. Because when I see him, we're going to have worse. It's one of the crazy, like he just does it every time. He puts you over constantly. But what we had a field day with is you're in the back. Yeah. They show me, right? It's a layup. Yeah. She knows, sells you and calls on Amanda. She doesn't call for me.

What did you make of that? I mean, I don't, I mean, I, I attest that to insecurity. Like, I'm the unknown, right? I'm like this big, scary unknown. She's fought Amanda before, twice. She knows. The second one went very bad. It did go very bad, but I don't, I think that she still knows what she can she's like I've beaten her I can do it you know so um or it could have just been like that was what she had in her mind to say so that's what she said even though I feel like the fight to make was her and I and here we are and yes and it's made and the reason there's so much hype behind it is because of who you are and who she is in fighting there was an opportunity to make it bigger in that moment yeah because you could have stormed to the cage you could have

I kind of was like, yeah, I kind of wanted to. First of all, I didn't know where I was in the arena. It's a little bit of a maze back there, but yeah, it would have been good. That would have been the greatest visual. She goes, Kayla Harrison, you just fought, I just became a world champion. Get your ass on it. You come charging to the ring. Dude, that would have been so sick.

Like the ultimate warrior? Yeah. That would have been sick. It would have been the craziest. Everybody already thinks on Brock Lesner. Now you're going to have me doing some shit like this. craziest thing ever. We would have popped so loud

and it would have been amazing, but the fight still has that hype. The other day we ran a feature of you two face-to-face, you're talking. Juliana almost wants to give you the pressure. Yeah. It felt, it, no, the pressure

is on Kayla. No, she did say that. She's like, I've got nothing to lose. And I'm like, well, except a world title. I mean, I just don't really understand Giuliana. She throws a lot of shit out there. Like, it's a lot of spaghetti. at the wall and a lot of like, you know, everywhere from like, she's on steroids to she's a weight

bully, she needs a walking taco to all the pressures on her. What's she going to do? How's she going to, you know, she going to lay on me? And I'm like, I just, it kind of screams insecurity to me. Yeah. Like I have three dogs and, you know, I have a big mastiff. I have a medium husky and then I have this little chihuahua. And the chihuahua sounds vicious. You know, he's playing with the other dogs and he's, and he's the most harmless of them all. He's just a little yapper, you know? So you think all the talking is?

Yeah, I think. Put the, give off the idea of strength, knowing that underneath it's a little bit uncertain. For sure. Yeah. But at the end of the day, she's the world champion two times. She is. Right?

She is. So when you are breaking her down and looking at her skill for skill, Yeah. What do you see in Juliana Payton? Honest answer, Kayla. I see heart. I see heart. I see fire.

You know, I think that her best attribute as an athlete is she's a fighter. Like, she is a fighter. She's not going to give up. She's not going to quit. It's not the prettiest. But she's going to keep coming forward, and she's going to try and find a way, you know. But I think that I'm better everywhere. I think that I'm the bigger, faster, stronger,

I think that now I have quite a bit of experience under my belt. I think that I'm a better striker. I think that I'm a better grappler. And I'm prepared to, you know, she's a fighter, but I'm a fighter too. I've been fighting my whole damn life. You know, like forget, forget inside of a cage or on a mat. I've been fighting my whole life. So if she thinks that, like, she's some David,

and I'm Goliath, she's got it wrong. Yeah. How much did you learn in that last fight? fight or the takedowns didn't come as easy so much as you may have anticipated against Ketland yeah no I think it was really good for me I was disappointed you know in my performance just because I'm initially I was disappointed because I'm a perfectionist and I want to go out there and dominate and instill my will but I think it was good to see kind of how girls at this level are gonna try and

combat the grappling it felt like it felt like it felt like she was doing a good job of defending earlier. Yeah. Even in the commentary, I was talking about it, like when you would level change, you're having difficulties getting up to her body. Yeah. Right?

Like that's because in judo, right, you guys use a lot of trips and throws from up top. I think she was doing a better job of defending at the body, right? And I mean, I think she was really defensive, you know? That's another thing.

It's like, it's hard to, you know, you know how it is. Like if, take somebody down with all they don't want to do is getting down. When they're just not trying, when they're not trying to win, they're just trying not to lose.

it's hard to get in there and make shit happen. But it was a really good learning experience for me. And those are the moments where it's like, all right, then let your hands go. Like, let your hands go. And guess what? What happens when you let your hands go? Their hands go up?

You can take them down. And you controlled that first round very, very easy. It was later when she got more slippery. Yeah. She was a big strong girl, too. I know everybody would be talking how big, Kayla is so big. She just had to fight at 1.45. I'm like, there's a reason for.

for that, dude. She's big. Juliana's actually going to fight, though. So you think that it's going to give you more openings to take her to the mat? How do you see this fight ending on Saturday night? Can you finish Juliana Payne? I'd like to. You know, I'm prepared for 25 hard minutes, but the goal is always to go out there and KO, TKO, or submission. If I have my perfect world, I would love to, I think, just, you know, put some elbows through her head, through her forehead and end on a TKO. I remember the first time you learned that you could elbow and PFL, how excited you were.

like, oh, this lady's violent. You were like, oh, my God, I can an elbow now? It's such a huge weapon in the sport. And then you remember how bad you bloodied up the girl right after? Yeah, that shit was nasty. No, that's when I was like, oh, I've fought half my career without a very important weapon. Yeah. Like, this is, yeah, I love it.

All right, last one before I let you go. Obviously, I have to ask this question. Here we go. What is it? I know. It's the Amanda Nunez's question. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah. So. Yes, I want to fight her. Yes, I hope she comes back. No, I'm not overlooking Juliana. Okay. You don't get better at something by not doing it. Right?

Mm-hmm. You don't get better at something by not doing it. Yeah. How does Amanda expect to be who she was being off for two years? Obviously, we don't know the extent to which she was training. I heard that her gym closed. I heard that they closed that gym, so I don't know what she would be doing for training. But, again, you don't get better at something by not doing it.

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