The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Bigger than sports

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

Colin talks about athletes like LeBron James, Michael Jordan, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar speaking out against police brutality and racism, and how they treated as a result. Guests include Chris Broussard, Tom Herman, Marcellus Wiley, and Greg Jennings. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll have a series of guests today to talk about what we saw this weekend, mixed in with some sports commentary. And Joy Taylor is joining me this morning. Joy, how are you? I'm good, Colin. Good morning. Good morning, and I want to start with this. I'll take a few months back with the COVID.

Everybody was an epidemiologist in America, but not really yet everybody thought they were. That's the America we live in now, where everybody gets a strong opinion, except if you don't agree with it. Back in the 60s and 70s, We had some remarkable athletes, and they had big, strong, political opinions. There were death threats for having those.

Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, then Lou Al-Sinder, now Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Jim Brown. They were the biggest stars in sports. They weren't backups, casual players, guys that barely made it. They were the biggest stars in the 60s and 70s, and they put themselves out there. Go look at what they talked about. They were overwhelmingly right, of course, but they got death threats, hate, and pushback for having opinions. But as sports has become more corporate, better capitalized, with much greater money, fewer superstar athletes want to put it out there. and I will defend them too.

I don't think anybody should be forced into political activism or political opinions. Talk about what you know and when you're comfortable about. But LeBron James reads about it, learns about it, lives it, and talks about it. And I respect him for that. His resume will be far beyond basketball. 57-year-old Michael Jordan said over the weekend through a press release, he was pain and plain angry over George Floyd's death. He called for change, and I don't doubt MJ at all.

But he's 57. Would he have done that at 27? 37. LeBron James was all over Instagram this weekend, all over social media. Willing, willing to make people uncomfortable. You know, it's funny about that. We all get opinions on this stuff, right? Except for the athletes.

We want them to just stick to sports. But LeBron James has been different very early. His resume will be very deep. The first or second greatest basketball player ever, willing to allow stars to be mobile, often hyper-aggressively mobile. We run the league, not the owners and GMs. And now his political activism.

You know, with all these stances, What does it tell you about where we are in America today? When LeBron James, one of the most thoughtful, giving, and caring athletes is viewed by many as controversial. Really? LeBron eight years ago talked about Trayvon Martin. Some of us were surprised. He was outspoken publicly with all he had to lose. This weekend, again, he talked about racial injustice.

But we expected it. He was right then, and he's right now. LeBron has always been more than just an athlete. And he is now a gateway for other star athletes if they feel comfortable to talk about it. This weekend, I watched Los Angeles TV, so I'll just speak to that. Tip of the cap to the reporters and photographers who are now too often in many cities, the enemy of the public? No, not really at all.

They did remarkable work, and let's not get it twisted. 99% of the people I saw in Los Angeles were loud and right and protesting. and then 1% maybe less were looting. I can't defend that. I do not believe blowing up, burning down, and smashing the windows of a couple, a family that owns one small business and barely got through COVID paying their bills. I can't justify knocking down their business. I can't.

But again, 99% of the people in Los Angeles were peacefully protesting. Pained, loud, and nothing more. Don't let the images fool you. When LeBron James, Muhammad Ali, Karim, Bill Russell, Jim Brown speak about it, they're right. Not only do they have the right.

Let me shift to Karim for a second. You know, it's interesting when you cover sports for a living. And I talked about a second ago how it's been, it's very well capitalized. There's a lot of money in sports. And one thing fans love, they love inside access, insider account, the podcast. I see my numbers. You have this thing you get into, your Instagram and your Twitter and your platforms. And we like it.

We want more and more and more of these social platforms and these columns and these podcast from athletes. But when you go and download the podcast or go to the Instagram and go to the tweets of athletes, you find, wait, they're just like us. Some have strong opinions on things outside of their job. I am wholly unqualified, completely utterly unqualified to talk about racial injustice. But I care about it and I see things that bother me. And I also see people that deserve to be elevated because they're so thoughtful and so mindful.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has been one of those athletes for years. He wrote a column in the Los Angeles Times that I downloaded late last night. I'm just going to read you a paragraph from this. He is not a columnist. He is a former athlete and activist. He said, yes, protests often are used as an excuse for smoke to take advantage, just as when fans celebrate a hometown sports team championship burn cars, destroy storefronts. I don't want to see stores looted or even buildings burn.

But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the flames burn closer and closer. racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible, even if you're choking on it. Until you let the sun in, then you see it's everywhere. As long as we keep shining that light, we have a chance of cleaning it wherever it lands. But we have to stay vigilant because it's always still in the air. W-O-W.

Wow. We'll talk some sports today. We'll have different guests on to give you perspective. Appreciate Joy and I talked over the course of the weekend. These are difficult times. There are no easy answers. There weren't for 9-11. There's not for COVID, and there's not for racial injustice.

There are no easy answers, except, unfortunately, often on Twitter. You talk, you learn, you live, you discuss. You know, it's funny about COVID, about three weeks ago, the quarantine was lifted in Los Angeles. And like all of you, I basically got up with my family, occasionally would walk with a mask on, and then I would go to work, work for with a couple people. Joy was not even allowed in the room. I saw your picture from your place on a screen, and then I would come home. So I could read things, but I didn't have much of a perspective of COVID.

outside of my family. And then I was allowed back to work, I think about two to three weeks ago. And now there's more people here. And there are people here that don't look like the people in my neighborhood. And I asked them about COVID. And in my neighborhood, I didn't know anybody that had it. That was my reality. And then you ask people in other neighborhoods, often poor neighborhoods, and each one of them had a story. They lost an aunt, a brother, a cousin. You have to see outside yourself. I don't buy into shut up and dribble. I do think athletes deserve opinions. I do also believe I have a right to listen or ignore. but to deny athletes the right to speak,

they are so uniquely qualified to speak. Think about this in America. Most pro athletes grow up with very little money, influence, or power, and then they suddenly get lots of it by 27 years old. There are not many professions that happens in America. If you look at what they've faced, what they deal with, what they worked for, what they earned, and what they become, I'm not sure there's anybody in America at 28, 29 years old, more qualified to talk about it.

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used the shutdown as an avenue to suspend team contributions to 401K plans. The A's owner, John Fisher, worth over $2 billion, eliminated the $400 weekly salaries of minor leaguers. This is why I am always against, in all sports, expansion, except if you're a brand new league, like the

MLS 10 years ago or the XFL this year. But the NBA, the NFL, and Major League Baseball, you're just letting more owners in for the wrong reason. It's a vanity play, to brag to their fellow billionaires, or it's about net worth.

That's not to say there's lots and lots of bad owners, but there's several, and there's also great owners. I've seen one recently in the last couple of years in Los Angeles. Steve Balmer is a great owner. He got in it for the right reasons. He's an absolute 50-year basketball junkie, and when he was one of the ten richest people in the United States, he would go to high school basketball. basketball games in Seattle. He has paid for the very best staff, the top executives. He's all in.

He spends his own money. When you see him at a press conference, the day they sign new stars, none of it is inauthent. We don't have sound. The point being is, when you open up sports to new owners, you roll the dice on taking a chance to bring in somebody who doesn't really care about the sports. Mark Cuban, 2000, 20 years ago, was allowed in to own the Dallas Mavericks, Mark and a handful of investors. From day one, it's been about the players, the locker room, the relationships, and the Dallas Mavericks are all over their community. They do it right. What you're seeing in baseball, in a year in which the waterfall of money slightly dries up and potentially won't be the windfall they've had in the previous decade.

They're stopping 401K contributions. They're getting rid of minor leaguers at $400 a week. And according to Buster Olney, many are perfectly willing to cancel the season to save some money. Here's Joy Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, over the weekend, we saw marches and protests all over the world.

old, really, over the country and the world in remembrance of George Floyd. And many athletes participated and made their voices heard. And Michael Jordan issued a statement that read, I'm deeply sadden, truly pained, and plain angry. I see and feel everyone's pain, outrage and frustration. And I stand with those who are calling out the ingrained racism and violence towards people of color in our country. We've had enough. I don't have the answers, but our collective voices show strength and the inability to be

divided by others. We must listen to each other, show compassion and empathy, and never turn our backs on senseless brutality. We need to continue our peaceful expressions against injustice and demand accountability. Our unified voice needs to be put pressure on our leaders and change our laws or else we will need to use our vote to create eight systemic change. Each one of us needs to be part of the solution. We must work together to ensure justice for all. My heart goes out to the family of George Floyd and to the countless others whose lives have been brutally and senselessly taken through acts of racism and injustice. A lot of people were posting things on social media over the

weekends. There were some athletes at some of the protests this weekend, obviously Stephen Jackson and his canter. Jalen Brown drove 15 hours from Atlanta to Atlanta to participate. Carl Anthony Towns, Malcolm Brogman, and Mark Cuban were all seen at protests and walks throughout the country over the weekend. And that was a very, very hard weekends for everyone, very heavy, really couldn't turn anything on or look anywhere without seeing any of it. And, you know, there was curfews and, you know, most of the major cities around the country. Our curfew, I think, was 6 p.m. to 5 a.m. or something here in L.A., so you're getting alerts on your phone. But, you know, I know everyone is focusing on the looting and the violence, and it's, you know, it's scary to get alerts that, you know, you're under a curfew while we're already under quarantine.

But I have to say, I'm actually, I'm actually very encouraged by everything I saw this weekend. It was very hard to deal with it. We spoke over the weekend. I've spoken to other people in the company. And seeing that people care is actually very moving to me, seeing that so many people are willing to get out of their homes and walk around and protest and share and ask how they can help and reach out to other people.

And, you know, athletes aren't afraid to go and join in the protests. And I'm showing a picture of Ennis right now. And people voicing their opinion, that's what this country is supposed to be built on. Every time an athlete has a strong opinion, there's blowback. And what I saw this weekend, and again, as a consumer of all the television I watch, I can choose to listen to you or not. But I think athletes are uniquely qualified. I thought American professional athletes were fantastic this weekend.

I thought they were overwhelmingly measured, smart, experienced. I followed, you know, people like Barron Davis. I followed a lot of guys that come on this show. and I was just blown away. And again, I can only speak because I'm watching local Los Angeles TV. The protests were overwhelmingly, black, white, man, woman, young, old, overwhelmingly peaceful. Does the helicopter shots focus in in a burning car? Absolutely.

But it appeared to me, Joy, there were often two groups. There were the protesting group peacefully over here, and then there were looters over there. And obviously, if a car is on fire, that's what the TV cameras, above are going to show. Absolutely. But in Los Angeles, and all the communities I saw, I just thought,

you know, civic-minded, pained people, loud, expressing their views. And it was, it was not just one section of the community. Young, old, man, woman, black, white, Latino. It was a lot of different people.

Look, nobody wants to see businesses destroyed and the city burned to the ground, but people are frustrated. And if it's easier for you focus on a burning building and focus all of your energy and frustration towards that, than it is to focus on the reason why people are out of their house in the first place. And that's something that you have to search for yourself. Athletes are uniquely qualified to talk about this.

Not only is this their community, but, you know, the idea that somebody, because they have a certain profession, should not be talking about social justice or politics is actually quite silly when you think about it. Do you and I, we work in sports business. We still have to pay taxes. We still live in these communities. We still have to abide by laws. why wouldn't we have an opinion about the environment that we still have to live in?

Many people, and I never think it's ideal to protest at your place of work. I would not bring a picket sign to Fox. And so people were unhappy. And I didn't love Kaepernick inside the stadium protesting. This was outside. There are no sports. This was peaceful protesting by athletes down city streets and in neighborhoods. If you got a problem with that, there's nothing I can do for you.

Right, absolutely. I mean, Colin was just using the platform that he had to speak out about something that he felt deeply about. Whatever your opinion about it is now, obviously what he was protesting for was warranted, because here we are today still talking about it. So a very non-poetic segue into the next story. The MLBPA delivered their counterp proposal for starting the 2020 season. It features a 114 game season, which would run from June 3rd. 30th to October 31st.

The proposal also includes a deferral of salaries if the postseason is canceled and the option for any player to opt out of playing this year due to coronavirus concerns. So if you are a player as a preexisting condition or you are vulnerable to coronavirus, you do have the option to completely opt out of the season and still receive pay. If you are not considered a high risk player and you want to opt out, you can opt out, but you wouldn't receive pay under this proposal. The proposal also calls for expanded playoffs for the two years. and it includes additional commitments like players wearing microphones on the field and other kinds of broadcast enhancements and they are offering to hold events

such as an off-season all-star game and a home run derby to generate additional revenue. Now they are expecting the owners to not take this offer and counter and not expecting them to accept this, but it's a negotiation they're trying to reach the middle. What I will say about this though, it does seem that both the players and the owners

are aware that time is of the essence when it comes to getting this deal done, especially if they're planning on starting June 30th. That's not too long from now. So being that, it's June 1st. So the NFL season may have to start without fans and attendance. And if that happens, Deshaun Jackson thinks the league should take advantage of the situation

and mic up every player. I think they should, though, bro. They should give the fans like an insight to really see what goes on in between the white lines, bro. It gets crazy, bro. It definitely does. I know when the trenches it get crazy. And I know out there on the outside,

it gets crazy, too. conversations we're going back and forth for them. I would pay. Listen, this is something that we noticed in the match. Listen, we should mic more players. You know, listen, sports has changed over the course of my life, not just the rules and the regulations, but how we broadcast it. We should have more mic players.

This is something we have learned in these special events we've had since COVID. Mike players, Mike golfers. I think you should have a dozen players mic during NFL games. I think it's the next level of access that I'm all in on. I totally think they should, I don't think they should mic every player. I think that would be a little logistically hard to do, but they should definitely mic more players. One thing about the XFL broadcast that I love were those side-laws, those quick sideline interviews that they were doing. Just off the cuff, like randomly.

They were, they were so perfect. They added this real, like, live element that guys out of breath, like trying to answer the question. So there are a lot of things that they can implement into the broadcast to kind of supplement for their not being fans there. I also think that visually, if you're not going to have any fans in attendance, which obviously we don't know if there will be able to or not, just cover the seats, like tarp the seats up. Like they do at stadiums that don't have anyone in the upper level. Like do something to affect the depth, like visual of not having fans in the seats.

But again, like pump in some sound, some noise into the stadium and we'll figure it out. Yeah. I mean, it's fluid. We're all making it up as we go. We're all, this show, we're making it up as we go. And some of the stuff we may just keep when everything is back to normal because it's so good. We are hoping for games, though, at some point. There are limitations on what we can do.

Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. One of my friends, Chris Broussard, now joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. You know, I said it to start the show, Chris, is that, you know, it's interesting that there's so much money in sports. It's so capitalized.

It's so corporate that when I was young, growing up, the stars spoke out, Russell and Kareem and Ali and Jim Brown, stars spoke out. Now, not as much. There's far more, tens, often hundreds of millions of dollars to lose in sponsorships. That's why I feel LeBron is so rare. He has been willing eight years ago. And he's a mogul stage now. He was willing eight years ago on the trip up to talk about Trayvon Martin.

Why does it bother us so much? Not me particularly, but why does it bother so many people when athletes have opinions on politics? Well, I think, number one, we all like, I've even seen it with athletes myself, we love when they speak out about something we support. When they talk about issues that we agree with them on, we love it when they speak out. And I think that's regardless of race. But when they speak out of God something we disagree with, then that's when we get angry. And that's why so many black athletes have been hesitant in the past to speak out because they felt like most of white America or too many white people wouldn't agree with them. And what I would say is this instance, this murder of George Floyd and all that the black athletes are speaking about, because we've seen it with Tamir Rice and Eric Garner and you can go on down the line, these are.

all Americans should really be supportive of. These are issues that should not, you shouldn't fall on one side of the other. There may be different degrees to how bad you think police brutality is, but all of these situations that the players have protested when we've seen them on videotape, those are cut and drive. And so I think in this situation, most people, most Americans, if not all, should agree with the athletes speaking out. let me address this, Colin,

and what you said about the superstars. I agree the superstar athletes, and LeBron has been tremendous. There's no question about it. But LeBron James is irreplaceable. LeBron James can say whatever he wants because the Los Angeles Lakers will not cut him. The NBA will not blackball him.

He's that good. If Colin Kaepernick had been Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, a superstar, he would still be in the NFL, kneeling and all. There's no question about it. So the superstar black athletes have a leverage that the other athletes don't have. And I actually thought Kaepernick was more courageous than most people gave him credit for because he was expendable.

He was coming off the bench. They could have cut him and let him go and nobody would have thought twice as soon as he started sitting and then kneeling for the anthem. So the superstar black athletes have the leverage. And Colin, I would also say they have a responsibility. It's unfortunate that black athletes are called on to speak out and address these issues when their counterparts who aren't black don't have to. But because of the history and the contemporary situation in this country,

our black athletes have a responsibility to do it. because they are the most irreplaceable African Americans. They are the wealthiest African Americans. They are the most well connected in terms to corporate America and the mainstream African Americans. And they are the most beloved African Americans. You have white kids and kids of all races growing up idolizing black athletes, listening to black athletes, in love with black athletes. They have a voice that most other African Americans do not.

have and I think they need to use it. You know, it's interesting. I, in these times, I've seen it with 9-11 and COVID and the situation this weekend over the last week. I was really profoundly impressed with athletes. I also thought the mayor of Atlanta was remarkable, social activist, Killer Mike in Atlanta, the rapper. I thought he was absolutely, inarguably awe-inspiring. When you were on social media this weekend and you were listening to athletes or texting them and talking, do you believe there can be changed? We can talk about all this, but they'll be a bad cop that will do a bad thing in another week two or three.

We know this to be true. Do you really believe when you talk to athletes, they think this week there can be change? That's a great question. I think some athletes have woke up. We use the term woke, but they've been awakened again to the realities of American life. Because look, when you become a superstar athlete and you're making millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars in some cases, you can get, and you're treated. like a king by people of all races, you can easily forget the struggles of the masses of African-American

people. And so I think for many, this is a reminder to them of what's going on. But as far as can things change, without question, things can change. People just have to want to do it. Colin, we saw what, three, four weeks ago, we saw armed militias of white Americans. going to state capitals in Michigan and other places with assault weapons. And the policemen showed restraint. The policemen just dealt with them and they knew they had their rights as American citizens and nothing jumped off. And yet when we look at Ferguson, Missouri, Baltimore, Maryland, other instances,

and not to mention the individual situations where blacks are unarmed and blacks are hands up sometimes. and yet they get assaulted by the policemen. They're treated in a much more aggressive manner. I'll say from my personal experience, Colin, I've never been stopped by policemen for no reason by myself. And I think it's because a lot of times you can't tell if I'm white or black

if I'm driving in a car. But I have been stopped three times for no reason by policemen. All three times, I was with African-American men who were visibly, like dark skin look clearly black. One time with a professional athlete.

And no reason. We weren't breaking the law. We weren't speeding. We were just driving. And fortunately, nothing negative happened. But that's the reality of many African American people on a weekly or monthly basis where they're stopped for no reason.

No, you know, Chris, you and I have talked about a lot of things off the air and many of the athletes I interview. And they all share the exact same stories. and they're not happy to share them. There's a combination of anger and pain, anxiety when they share those stories.

They're real. I bring Chris Broussard on the show. He didn't know I was going to ask him that question, and I didn't know he was going to, that was going to elicit that response. These are real things people are struggling with in America. I'd be remiss if I did not ask you about just the latest, the Board of Governors for the NBA. Do we have a timeline?

What is the latest? Do you believe it's moving in the right direction and quickly? Yeah, I do believe it's moving in the right direction. And I think, Colin, it's going to be the 22 teams that come back, play about six to eight regular season games, and then have a playing tournament. And when I look at the options, I think that's the best one. I think it allows players to, you know, play some regular season games,

get in the flow, get some chemistry, getting in some kind of game shape. and then it has the excitement of a play-in tournament for the last few seeds. And, you know, you don't bring back the teams that have no shot of making the playoffs at all. You don't risk injury for their players or free agents. So I think the NBA appears to be headed in the right direction. You know, I want to ask you about something because I watched a lot of Los Angeles TV this weekend. And are you in Los Angeles now or back east?

I'm in New Jersey. Okay, so I watch Los Angeles TV. anytime you have protests, and it was overwhelmingly peaceful protests in Los Angeles, 99%. Then you have looters, often in different areas. And I'm interested in your perspective. Mine is always, they are often looting families that own one small store. And they have struggled for three months with COVID to keep the doors open, to survive, generationally survive with their business.

And now some of those stores burn down and they just simply don't have the funds. That American dream is over. That is my perception on some of the looting. What was yours? Well, one, you hope and pray that those owners have insurance that hopefully will take care of them and protect them and cover them. But it's interesting because, like I said, I'm here in Jersey. Two of the, if not the two most peaceful rallies and protest, Colin,

We're here in Jersey in Newark and in Camden, which are two highly volatile cities in terms of violence. And so I was happy. My daughters even went to the one in Newark. I was very happy that these were peaceful. I also say this, Kyle, and it's hard to tell. But many of these people who are looting are not actually protesting. You're right.

Some people are taking advantage of it. We've seen video on social media of people coming out of stories. stores with, you know, with items and they're stealing things from these stores that are being looted. And so some people, you've got the protesters, some of whom may be violent or may be involved in looting. And then you've got a group of people who are just going to loot, just going to get merchandise, just going to cause mayhem. And then you may even have some people who are against the cause, who are there to stir up violence. and may even, you know, not like African-American people in the cause that they're fighting for.

And so there, you know, there's a lot of different groups coming together in these rallies and marches and protests. And sometimes it's hard to differentiate who's doing what. I appreciate you coming on today and sharing your experiences, Chris, safety and best wishes to your family. I can't wait to see you in person soon. And thank you so much for stopping by our show today. Thanks, Colin. I enjoyed it. Have a good show.

All right, Chris Broussard. Some encouraging news that surprised me. I did not think I'd see what I've seen in the last few days. And on this day and this week that's been rough, some encouraging news in sports. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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This is Clivert Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue of 42.

Hey, rep, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine picking up your smartphone, opening up an app and controlling your grill remotely from anywhere. It's a Rect-Tac Grill. They're awesome. I'm going to be given one away here pretty soon, and I cannot wait. They're absolutely remarkable. Rectrekgirls.com. That's R-E-C-T-E-C-Grills, L'N-S.com. You know, it's a lot of heartfelt stuff being said. I really do think in America is an amazing place. It's the only place I've ever lived. So that is my opinion. My mom grew up in England and came over at 14 years old, by herself on a boat, had been abused sexually in England and gotten a boat at 14 years.

old, came to herself, by herself to New York City, and then drove with a friend all the way to the state of Oregon and met my father a small town aspiring fledgling doctor. And I think this is an amazing place. And my mom used to always brag about, you know, she got an orange once for Christmas and was happy. She grew up very, very poor. And she said, this country has an incredible heart. You can watch charity in America over and over. It's really remarkable. The one thing that America always defends and they will open up their pockets in their hearts is if they feel somebody, anybody, is treated unfairly. That's where donations start.

That's why we have charities on TV. You get a bad break physically, genetically. People have picked on use. There's been massively successful bullying campaigns in America. we're really good at that. We do care. What black people in America have been saying for a long time is we're not treated fairly by the police. It's an injustice. And this is what we do generally for people in America.

We write wrongs. We have done it forever. I'm mid-50s. I've seen it over and over again. We open up our hearts. We don't like when people are bullied. We don't like it in America. We do not like it. Many of us perhaps have been bullied. That's all African-American citizens are saying.

We are not treated fairly, often, routinely by law enforcement. Open up your heart. Stop running to defend bad actions on social media. Be caring. Be empathetic. It's what our history is of protecting people who are not treated fairly. All right, back inarticulately to sports.

I did see something this weekend. And I saw it over the last four or five days that I think we've turned a corner. That is not to say that COVID isn't dangerous, especially, almost specifically to older Americans. Virtually half the deaths in America are nursing homes. but antibody tests, and I got this from NPR, so if you think I am just trying to be caustic and you're all overreacting, that's not how I roll.

I think Joy is listening to me for two years. That's not who I am. I'm trying to get it right, not be right. Antibody tests are showing that the coronavirus fatality rate, especially among young people, is really, really low. I just saw a study Indiana State Department of Health. Forty-five percent of infected people are now reporting no symptoms at all. That feels like we're turning a little bit of the corner in college sports. Of course, these are younger people. I think I read a stat the other day in the state of California, 40 million people. Nobody's zero to 17 years old

had passed away because of COVID. And it's important because college football and student bodies are overwhelmingly 18 to 23 year old people. I think we're turning a corner. The PAC 12 last week said, we're all in June 15th. You can report. That matters because in my life, the PAC 12 has always felt more academic leaning than perhaps other conferences, more progressive politically. And they've never really felt like they have to follow other conferences or the sport to justify their position. But they came out last

week. The state of California vital to the PAC 12 came out last week. And David Shaw, the Stanford head coach, said, yes, we care about football. Don't marginalize us. We want to play too. Good news. The PAC 12 is in, and I think that

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Ah, here we go. Hour 2. We are live in Los Angeles, and this is The Hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1.

Joy Taylor is joining me this morning. We are still not working at full capacity in our building. Slowly but surely, people are coming back. We do appreciate you joining us today. We've had some thoughts on the week and the weekend, and it's a different show today. You know, if you had told me a year ago, I would be talking months on end,

and we would have no sports and still dealing with some of the things we're dealing with in society. We'd have a pandemic. It is a different time, Joy. We are seeing incredible leadership in many communities and a lack of it, unfortunately, at the federal level. But I feel very fortunate to live in a community with incredible people. I can just speak for somebody that lives in Los Angeles. I feel we have great leadership, smart people, caring people, who peacefully protested yesterday. and unfortunately there are those a small percentage that want to create chaos and take advantage of a situation. But I thought that was the overwhelming small number of people.

And Joy, how was your weekend? Well, it was stressful like everyone else's. But again, I agree with you. I think overall it's more positive, peaceful protests than it is, you know, it's better video on the news to see a building burning than people continuously walking and, you know, holding some. in a park and, you know, talking to each other. So I just encourage everyone to stay focused on the reason why this is happening and not focus on the chaos that a small group of people are inflicting. By the way, on another far less important note, I gave up coffee this weekend.

Don't even ask me why I'm from Seattle. Goulet. Four days ago, I started drinking it, and I no longer like the taste of it, and I like tea. Didn't we go through this last year? I think I may have. Gouley, I think I distinctly remember him saying that he was not drinking coffee anymore. When I get emotional, my diet changes. Is that what it is?

I think I'm going through an emotional state. I'm watching things in America that get me very emotional. What kind of tea are you drinking? Because coffee, some tea has caffeine. Well, I think you just like the tea here. I think that's what it is. I'm not buying it into your coffee thing. You pulled this last year.

You were right back on it. I think you lasted a day. Do you remember that? I think it was three. I have these brief surges into a new. life just very briefly. Well, you know, whatever, whatever keeps you saying right now. Yeah. All right. We do it every Monday, even this Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong. I have strong opinions. We try to hold me accountable when I'm way off and sometimes I do land my opinions. Here we go.

Where Colin was right. It was like Green Bay coach Matt LaFleur was watching our show. I had said midweek last week. I like Green Bay, but Aaron Rogers has simply gotten too conservative and too safe as a quarterback. He's led the NFL in throwaways the last two years. Bro, let her rip and give Devante Adams a chance to catch it. Well, what do you know? Matt LaFleur came out

a day later and said, our offense needs to take more chances. Right now, the Packers' bottom third in explosion plays, which is remarkable, considering you have Devante Adams, Aaron Jones, generally better than average protection, and Aaron Rogers. I think

he's too often protecting his efficiency see numbers and not being aggressive enough, and it's what Matt LaFleur sees as well. Where Colin was wrong. Darn you, Patrick Mahomes, the NFL did not pass. It's fourth and 15 new idea. It didn't even get a vote because people, my guess is, think it's great for Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and nobody else. We have an onside kick increasingly.

You have no chance to recover it if you're trailing. And some of us thought the new idea, the fourth and 15 from your own territory, you pick up a first at your ball, was a great idea. But again, Mike Tomlin said, I want special teams. Art Rooney the second called it a gimmick. It got tabled. I just think people know it would be another advantage for Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes. Where Colin was right?

Zion Williamson. Loved him when I first saw him at Duke, and I said, there's something special about this kid, he's going to be a star. He has only played in 19 NBA games, and yet the NBA is proposing a playoff format that would include 20 teams. That's interesting. Why 20? Because 20 would get Zion Williamson of the Pelicans into the playoffs. More than one reporter caught on to this.

Listen, the kid is just different. The smile, the power plus Duke. the college platform matters. It matters. Unless you're LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, so transcendent, so popular, that you don't need college, for most players, it matters.

And for Zion, I wouldn't know him without it. 19 games in, he is already a star and the league recognizes it. Where Colin was wrong. You know, I mostly defended Michael Jordan during the 10-part documentary, but he did appear to get caught line. okay, not appeared to, he was on Isaiah Thomas not making the dream team.

Jack McCallum, Four Sports Illustrated, covered the dream team, came on our show last week, and actually had a tape of Michael Jordan acknowledging, I didn't want Isaiah on the team. Now, I never had a problem with it. Michael was the best basketball player in the world easily, and arguably the second best basketball player in the world at that time, Charles Barkley didn't like Isaiah either. But it does appear Michael was fudging. It was for no other reason than Michael didn't want to be on the team if Isaiah was going to be on it.

Where Colin was right. Rob Ninkovich played for the Patriots, connected to the Patriots, said last week, Brian Hoyer's going to beat out Jarrett Stidham at quarterback. Listen, this is all I'm saying. Quit selling me on how great this kid is. Bill Belichick wanted Brady back. Belichick couldn't get Brady out fast enough when he had Jimmy Garoppolo. Jared Stittam's been there a year, and the well-connected Rob Ninkovich acknowledges,

yeah, I think Brian Hoyer will beat him out. Really? I got stories this week that Tua? He hasn't even started practice yet. And Miami coaches are like, we need to start Tua. Arizona started Kyler Murray, who was half baseball player, half quarterback, who'd only starred in college for one year. Jared Stidham's a nice prospect.

Maybe. But he's created no real buzz. Or they would have already granted him the job based on a year of watching every single practice. Where Colin was wrong. Said last hour, the PAC 12 is ready to go and play college football. Now, I made one sports prediction, Joy is my witness, and that was about a month ago. I said the SEC is going to play football. Yep.

Because it matters more. Conservative governors, pro business, they're playing. COVID be damned. Pact 12, I said, no, it's not going to work. I'm from out here. I get it. I've seen it. Very progressive.

Academics first. But maybe it was the pressure from business people and donors. Maybe it was the pressure to keep up in recruiting. But I was wrong. The Pact 12 shifted about a week ago, and they're all in. Where Colin was right? I've been a huge fan of Jason Tatum of the Celtics. In fact, a year ago, there were stories out there.

that the Celtics should trade Jason Tatum to the Pelicans to get Anthony Davis. And I said, I wouldn't do that. And I got nothing but flack. I said, Jason Tatum's long, can shoot threes, can put it on the deck. He's a great teammate. He's been huge as a 20-21-year-old in big playoff games. This is a star. This is a top five player in the league.

What are you guys talking about? He's averaging right now 24.7 rebounds. He's 22. And he's shooting 40% for threes. Well, this weekend the story came out. The Celtics are going to give him the max. I've never understood the critics. And they're not harsh critics because everybody likes him.

To me, this is the future of the NBA. Long, athletic, puts it on the deck, can shoot threes, can defend, can run, can score in transition. He is coachable. When you're popping in the NBA at 21 in playoff games, like taking over playoff games at 21, I'm done arguing. You're a star. Where Colin was wrong. I love the idea by the NBA to have a first round World Cup stage, but maybe that's my affinity for soccer and Adam Silver's.

Four groups, five teams. Lakers play everybody in their group two times, the Rockets two times, the heat two times, the jazz two times. No, I got turned down. So I guess people want to watch a seven-game series against the Lakers in Memphis. I think the first round of the NBA needs to be, totally reworked. The numbers illustrate, people are frankly,

they don't see it as competitive sports. They see favorites dominating in four to five games over underdogs. I like the World Cup stage. It has no life. Where Colin was right? After the match with Tiger and Phil and Peyton and Brady, I said, you know, the next great match is Steph Curry against Michael Jordan and golf. And lo and behold, the next day, Phil Mickelson said,

you know what I think would be great? Steph Curry against Michael Jordan and golf. Now, Curry is the better golfer, according to people who know. I made a call on it this weekend. Steph can really golf. Michael Jordan's reputation of a golfer is very good, and he plays a ton. But I think this would be new school, old school, and I think this format, if you get the right mix, is really interesting. Where Colin was right?

The ridiculous hype for Joe Burrow continues. He's a good prospect. But Kurt Warner said last week, I see me in him. Okay, so now it's been Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, and I'm not joking, LeBron James, who Joe Burrow has been compared to. Folks, he's got an average arm and struggled badly as a junior at LSU still surrounded by all that talent. He's a good prospect going into a brutal situation in a defensively loaded. division and he is going to struggle mightily.

He's as a prospect good. He is as a prospect not Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck. He's not. It's getting silly now. All right. Tom Herman, head coach of the Texas Longhorns. I want to hear from some college coaches on what we're seeing around America. His quarterback, by the way, was on social media this weekend. The Longhorn's great young quarterback talking about the injustice.

he sees in America. Tom Herman, the coach of the Texas Longhorns, interested to hear his perspective. That's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the I-Hard Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source,

the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice. On the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist,

Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough because people scoreboard watch life becomes about wins and losses Steve Burns Dustin Ross because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on

earth or are you a good person because you're afraid because that's two different intentions bro absolutely and that that's two different levels of trust I want you to just really be a good person join me Keer games is we have real conversations about healing growth fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

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waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so. Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes.

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continues with the Foles of Honor Quick Trip 500, live beginning at 3 Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. You know, you and I, we were talking about this last week. There's a handful of programs. Even though they're college programs, they feel a little bigger. The Miami Hurricanes, USC, and Texas. And maybe it's because of Miami, Los Angeles and Austin, Texas, which is a food and a music mecca. Austin, Texas, to me, is the best college town I've ever been to. I've been to it a handful of times and I've had just so much fun. And I think they're brewing something really special. But I think it's hard because the reality is there are a lot of people in the SEC and the Big 12 recruiting their players.

USC now, they're going to Texas to recruit their players. The coach is Tom Herman of the Texas Longhorns and he is joining us via the Cower Global Satellite Network. You know, Coach, I saw your quarterback this weekend, Sam Ellen Ger, and he's always reminded me a Tebow, that there is a spirit with him when I watch him play. I watch how his teammates react to him. And he went on his Instagram this weekend, and he talked about racial injustice. And it didn't surprise me at all, how passionate he was. You deal with him every day. the fact that he would speak out is

I felt watching and I thought well this is who he is because this is what I see when I watch him play and if you can share your relationship with him and what kind of kid he is. Yeah, I appreciate you having me. Yeah, he's different. You know, I've,

there's a tier, if you will, of great leaders that I've had the ability to coach. You know, J.T. Barrett at Ohio State is in that tier. Landon Roberts, our Sarton Middle Linebacker at Houston, Greg Ward Jr., our quarterback at Houston, going back to my days all the way back at Texas State, Barak Neely, at Rice, Chase Clement. But Sam Ellinger is the best I've been around. And I think it's because, well, one, I know it's because his actions do a lot of the talking

for him. But two, he's just so relatable to every demographic. every person in that locker room. They don't just respect him, Colin, they like him. And you don't have to be liked to be a great leader. But when you're respected and liked the way that he is, that's something special. Coach, right now, the concern I have is, are your athletes in shape? When they go to practice, can they work on their own?

Are they working collectively? as the coach, the mentor, the leader of Texas football, where are we at the shape of athletes today going forward? Well, I don't think it'll be nearly as good as it was in years past. But I also remember a time not too long ago where these young men would finish their finals in May, you'd hand them a workout and say, hey, guys, I'll see you back first day of training camp. And you expected them to go back to their hometowns and to work out and stay in shape. And you would have a conditioning test when you got back. And so that's the way it was done in college football for 100 years.

So I think we can do it again. You know, our guys, the Big 12 has decided we can let our guys back on campus and work out in our weight room, supervised by our medical staff and strength staff on the 15th. The week prior to that, on the 8th, our guys will be given a battery of tests and blood work and COVID-19 tests, the whole gamut. But to expect them to be as in shape on June 1st as maybe they would have been in years past, I don't think anybody expects that, but I do know that for 100 years, college football found a way to get played with its participants literally leaving and going home for two, three months over the summertime.

People may not know this. You were Joe Burroughs biggest advocate at Ohio State. You convinced Urban Meyer to figure out you had to borrow a scholarship and find it. You said, this kid's good, he's special. And I love stories like this. and you fought for Joe Burrell. Now, we all know Joe Burrell. Go back to what you saw that other coaches did not see.

Wow, how much time you got? You know, and I did catch the last part of your segment, the last part of the last segment, and I respectfully disagree with you. I think that Joey Burrow, I still call him Joey, because that's what I recruited him as. And, you know, I think Joey, is as competitive of a human being as I've ever met.

You know, I remember his junior year. He won the Gatorade State Player of the Year, but not some other State Player of the Year award, and he was legitimately pissed. He's like, I'm going to win it as a senior. I'm going to win every award I can as a senior, and we're going to win a state championship. And so the competitiveness was one thing.

the leadership, the way that he worked, his work ethic. And, you know, that speaks volumes to, you know, his parents. You know, Jimmy and Robin, you know, his dad, he's a coach's kid. And anytime you have an opportunity to recruit a coach's kid, especially one at that position, they usually turn out pretty well. And Joey's got a great future ahead of him. I will tell you this about Joe. Really cool story, Colin, about the kind of human being he is.

He got drafted with the first overall pick. I never had an opportunity to coach Joe, but we got to know each other quite a bit through recruiting and we've stayed in touch over the years. He got drafted with the first overall pick. I mean, what a momentous occasion in his life. And I texted him, congratulations that I was proud of him. Within an hour, he texted me back.

how appreciative he was of me and my support. I'm just telling you that that's not normal. That's not normal for a guy that just got picked with the number one overall pick to respond to a text from a guy that never coached him. You know, within 45 minutes, it spoke volumes to me about his character, too. Tom, Texas is a top five to top six job in this country. and you just rework some of your coaching staff. Do you feel pressure?

Can you sense it that people now say, hey, Tom's got his guys. Tom's got his recruits. Tom's got a win. Do you sense that pressure this year? No. You know, I say all the time, you know, pressure is that uneasy feeling that you get when you're unprepared. And nobody is going to have higher expectations of our program.

than we will internally. And so whatever the expectations are externally, I can assure Longhorn Nation that our expectations are higher internally than they've ever been. I think, you know, we have had this season circled a little bit, obviously prior to the global pandemic to where, you know, some of our, you know, top five recruiting classes are now third year, second year guys in the program. And, you know, we've got a senior quarterback that's as good as there is in the country.

We've got a left tackle that was part of our first, our transition class. It's if he has the year that we think he's going to have, he's got a chance to be a first rounder. So we feel like we've been building towards this year and beyond. But to feel pressure, no. I don't, I feel the weight of the expectations internally every day on this job and every job that I've had. You know, it's interesting between COVID and the protests this weekend, parents across America say, Tom, you get my son. And you are, you're a mentor, you're a leader. There are times where you could almost feel like a surrogent parent.

that is an incredible responsibility as a college coach. And when you watch stuff this weekend in America and what different communities are dealing with, how does it land for you, coach? Heavy on my heart, I can tell you that. I grew up the only child of a single mom. My dad died in a homeless shelter when he was 52 years old. And I say that to tell you that coaches raised me. And it's the reason I got into this.

job was to be to have an impact on young men's lives the way that coaches had on mine and to see that the pain and the struggle and the fear the confusion on my players faces. We had a three-hour team meeting this morning, Colin, right before I got on. So if I seem a bit emotional, it's because I am. we've got to find a way to stop. We've got to find a way. The thing I told our players is this cannot be like it's always been, which is a young black or a black man is unnecessarily killed by a white police officer.

Two people in our southern United States, you know, shoot and kill an unarmed black man and we protest and we riot and all of that is great and the voices are being heard and there's there's vocalization on Twitter and Instagram and all of this and two weeks from now

three weeks from now a month from now a year from now this has to have meant something we have to have affected change by not just our words but our actions we talk you know I ended our meeting with our players

a very emotional meeting. And I say, guys, we talk about it in our program all the time. Don't talk about it, be about it. And now more than ever, our society needs a systemic overhaul. And it starts with the way that minorities are treated implicitly and explicitly in this country. And I told our players, I don't have. their back, I got their front. You tell me what to do. You tell me what wall to run through. I'll run through it. I'll make a hole so big that you guys can walk through it because that's how passionately

we feel. Because when you love somebody, the way that we love our players and you see them hurt and you see them angry and you see them frustrated, much like a parent, you want to take all of that off of their heart and you want to put it all on yourself. And, and, um, and be there for them and provide some guidance for them. And so, you know, hopefully us here at Texas, you know, we won't be forgotten in our message on this topic in a short few weeks. Hopefully we as a program and our individuals within our program can can help, you know, truly affect real change. in the system. That was great.

Thanks, Coach. Thank you. Thanks, Colin. We'll take a break. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

It's okay, Colin. That was very emotional from Coach. Thank you for saying that. Okay, again, very inartistic transition. George Kittle is still playing under his rookie contract and is looking for big money in his next deal. His agent told NFL network, I don't care about the tight end market. I'm being paid to do a George Kittle deal.

But there's reportedly been no movement on extension talks since the initial discussions in February and the two sides are not close at all. So the highest paid tight end and average salary is Hunter Henry. He makes $10.61 million in the franchise tag with the Chargers. Austin Hooper is also hoping for a long-term deal. Or he is the highest paid on the long-term deal, 10.5 million over four seasons with the Browns.

Kiddlesso fits into their, they're very rugged football team, very physical. He is not all tight ends. He fits the Niners. He is on brand. And they're really had an incredible defense last year, right? He's sort of the defensive player on the offensive side. No, he's like their boa.

He is a relentless, competitive, difficult to defend. to me there are certain players that feel like the organization. He feels like the 49ers. Like that's a tight end. I'm just going to pay. Whatever the market's top is, I'd pay more. Because I also think with Garoppolo, his contract now doesn't feel as heavy. Remember, DeForest Bruckner got traded.

That contract's gone. Garoppel's in the 20s. Kittles the guy I'm going to pay for. Injury concerns, yes. But I think his impact on the culture of that team, is indisputable. He has become a face of that organization. Obviously, when you think of the Niners,

you think of Jimmy Garapolo, you think of Kyle Shanahan. He's the next guy I think of right now with the 49ers. And he's a big energy guy, like you said, like the culture, the energy. It kind of starts with George Kittle. It's very similar to Grankowski. Like, this is not every tight end I feel like. The tight end doesn't feel like that position you really have to pay.

George Kittle is one of those tight ends that I feel like you have to pay. Totally great. So pro football focus, kind of. of agrees with you about Baker Mayfield this year. They listed some reasons why he's poised for a bounce back year in 2020. It is nearly five full seasons of tape from college in the NFL. His only down year was 2019, and recency biases affecting the overall view of his talents. He's a stronger supporting cast, an offensive system under Kevin Savansky this year.

And PFF also argues, argues that his lower grades and stable metrics last year point to bigger issues than the organization that were beyond Baker's control. but obviously his performance last year was real. It did happen, but there were some circumstances surrounding that. When he had a strong college coach, he was excellent. Then he went to the NFL, and his interim coach, Greg Williams, was a strong interim coach. He did well. Freddie Kitchens, he didn't do well. Stefansky appears to be a stronger alpha personality.

Baker may be one of those athletes that needs that strong guidance and coach, When he doesn't get that and feel he can kind of run over the coach, his worst qualities come out. He had libs a little. He doesn't. Baker appears to be a guy that when you give him the right coach and the coach is strong and has a message and has a plan, Baker's very successful.

Last year, he kind of felt like he was doing what he wanted to do sometime. And he's not that talented. Everyone has a different personality in a way that they work, right? Like certain people, you could just tell they were always going to own their own business. They're going to do everything. Like they're going to put the floor in the building. They're going to run the front. They're going to cook in the back.

Like they do everything. And that's just what they were meant to do. They're just self-starters. They just always find a way to keep things going. That's their personality. Other people are extremely successful, but they need to be within an organization. They need to technically work for someone. And there's nothing wrong with either way.

It's just the structure that you can thrive in. Some people like extreme. structure. Some people do terrible in extreme structure, but on their own, they thrive. Baker may just be one of those people. He's an overachiever. He needs extreme structure and stability and culture to be successful. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Actually, I think most people who are in a team organization's sport, they would like structure. Oh, God, yeah. There's no successful legacy level quarterback that didn't have a great coach with them. There's two sides of the ball as well. Baker can only be responsible for one side of the

ball on top of that, not that they had a bad defense, but He can only affect so much, so having good structure is going to be helpful for him. It's going to be an interesting division this year. And speaking of that division, the Ravens made a statement during the 2019 season. And now John Harbaugh says they'll have to be ready to face the best competition from all their opponents this year. He said, going into our season last year, we were the iceberg. 90% of what we were going to be capable of was still underwater and people hadn't seen it yet. Starting next year, we're not going to be the iceberg.

People are going to see us. We're going to be everyone's most important game. There's no question. That's a different, that is a different sensibility. They are, I mean, I think they're the best team in the league. They had a great off season. They were very good last year. They got something to prove.

You know, Mahomes is going to face this as well. This is the reality of being great early. I feel like Mahomes has an extra year of this experience, though, already. Because they felt like the team last year. Like the Ravens, not that the Ravens were a surprise, but, I mean, Lamar had an incredible season, and we got to see what the Ravens are really capable of. It's totally different when you're, you know, leading from the first. front as opposed to being the underdog.

The mentality is different. Like he said, everyone's going to give it your best game. You're not going to sneak up on and surprise anyone this year. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Marcellus Wiley will join us next.

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Listen to the Clippers show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back. I thought of Marcellus Wiley this morning. whose life story is absolutely unbelievable. He's got a book out, never shut up. The Life Opinions and Unexpected Adventures of an NFL Outlier came out a couple of years ago. And Marcellus, Wiley, speak for yourself. Co-host is now joining us live.

And when I watched the images yesterday, Marcellus, you'll have much greater perspective than certainly I would. What were the emotions that ran through you yesterday watching your city and overwhelmingly peaceful protest? but then some looting as well. What were your thoughts on that? Thanks for having me on, Colin. Give me this opportunity to platform to speak on this issue. So many things ran through my mind.

So many experiences were triggered in my DNA and my existence just watching these images right now. And let me preface everything I'm going to say with the fact that none of us should speak for all of us because no group, no ethnicity, no race is monolithic. But I'm going to get it. you my slice of reality right here. There were good people out there that were protesting. And in protest, it's not just a crowd, it's not just chance. It is a collective pain that needs to be heard.

People need to leave their doorstep, leave their comforts of their homes, whatever situation they're in, because it's dire to them. And they want to go out and try to evoke change. But there's also a contingency out there that doesn't have the purest of intentions and the looters, the rioters. And it's unfortunate that that crowd is also mixed in with those with the purest of intentions and hearts to just try to make a level playing field in this world, try to really inspire that change. And what I saw yesterday was something that took me back even before I was on this planet.

My grandmother always talked to us about how she lived in Watts. And after the 1965 Watts riots, she wanted her family to feel safer and move. to greener pastures. So she took her family and moved from Watts, California to Compton, California. My mother grew up in Compton, California, graduated Compton High School, had me at the age of 19. She wanted greener pastors, a better life for her family.

She lost three of her brothers in the streets. So she moved us to a better surrounding, better circumstance, south central Los Angeles. And in 1992, I was in 1992, I was in 1992, I had to live through this exact same experience that we're witnessing right now, the destruction all around. And people who are in this position right now

feel the despair. And that despair is crying out in our streets right now. We're seeing pain through every single demonstration, every single display, every single vivid image is someone else's experience that they are so frustrated with that this is what they feel that they have to result. Let me remind people also that a lot of times when you see it go to this place, go over the edge, past the tipping point, where it becomes destructive, that those people are making emotional decisions, and that is anger, frustration, hopelessness, helplessness, which can all be justified emotionally. But then we get into the action. And the action, unfortunately, is the same I saw in 1992.

where that destruction becomes the end game. And it's an ugly place to be because you're so frustrated. You don't know what to do. But we got to make sure we do the right things. Those actions can't just be carried out in city streets. We have to start doing the building blocks of equality, the building blocks of power, which has put some of that energy into voting, into jury duty,

into things of civil nature, just be a part of your locale, community service, building up on your own character and spreading that love. And I know it sounds kumbaya, but because I'm right now in a different day listening to the same song, I just hope that we come to a better and a better place. Do you think this opens up the opportunity for athletes to talk about it now, that there's always been, I've noticed this, that there's sometimes a discomfort, there's pushback. LeBron's never cared, but LeBron has so much power. You've never cared, but are you encouraging other athletes? Listen, I know you'll get pushback. I know you feel

you can lose money. But do you believe athletes have a responsibility, a duty to talk about change? I don't. And I don't because I used to be one of those kids in this desperate situation. growing up around despair, the daily interactions, the day-to-day circumstances that affected me and those around me. And I'm sorry, no athlete in the professional world, kneeling during kickoff, tweeting during this off time. None of that changed my reality.

What changed my reality is I realized that there was a mountain to climb, and I realized that a lot of people were on that mountain with me. And it's tough. and it's treacherous, and you're being judged, and there's overt racism, there's implicit bias, there's all these hurdles on that path. But I had to get to that top of that mountain. I had to.

And I didn't need anybody else to encourage me. I know a lot of people sell hope. And I remind people it's one letter away, hope from the word hype. You've got to be careful to look for others to bring you along. You've got to be careful to look for love outside of you. yourself. You've got to be very careful in those circumstances because I'm talking about a guy who rose from the ashes. I'm talking about other athletes who are a lot of them from this same circumstance and to put public pressure on them to speak for something that they don't feel.

That's something that's not coming directly from their heart or directly from their experience. I don't believe in that. I believe in counting those who are with you and not those who are against you and building that ammunition and power. And that will be the energy you need to get to the top of your mountain and the top of whatever you deem necessary and possible. But that pressure, I'm not for it, Colin. I understand it gives you a jolt of energy. It may feel inspiring.

And I may be in a minority, but like I said before we started, I'm going to give you my slice of reality. That mountain is not to be burned down because of frustration. That mountain is not to stop and you don't want to climb the next step because of how difficult it is. It's a tough one, Colin. But I'm on the side of those who want to get it done and make sure you look around, look them in the eyes, feel their connection and get it done with them. Love having you as a teammate.

I've told you that before. I'd ask you another question, but it wouldn't give you the space to give me the answer that you deserve. I just think you're a smart guy. I feel lucky to work with you. And on days like today and speak for yourself, I'll be watching. And I want to thank you for everything you do. Appreciate you, brother. Thanks, Colin.

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Great Father's Day sets 25% offsitewide. Tommyjohn.com code H-E-R-D. Greg Jennings is a Fox Sports NFL analyst. He also calls Minneapolis Home. He is joining us via the Cower Global Satellite Network. Greg, I want to start with a story I heard over. In fact, I heard this, I think Saturday or Sunday, that your wife owns a boutique in Minneapolis. And, you know, I saw the footage like everybody else.

You stepped in. You sent your wife home and you said, I'm going to watch the shop. And if you could take us from that point forward, Greg, what transpired? Yeah, so I send my wife home. I'm sitting in the shop to the wee hours of the morning just to be a deterrent. Had a couple of my buddies, not security, just my friends come down with me that wanted to stand and sit in the shop with me to be a deterrent. And what went on and what was transpiring as my wife and I were making the transition. I mean, we saw a car backed into another boutique, a store across the way and just emptying it out. All acts very unfortunate, obviously stemming from what the cause was.

And that was the wrongful act of a law enforcement officer on George Floyd and his life being taken. And that's that's the story. That's the big picture. That's what's awakening everything and igniting all of these actions. However, those who are acting emotionally and their ties and relations and how they decide to respond is whatever it is that they want. Do I agree with all of it? No. Am I in alignment with all of it?

No, but I understand it all. And I just decided to go down and to not allow my wife's store to be a part of what could have potentially been. And unfortunately, there were stores around her that were impacted in ways like that. You know, Greg, I'm not sure if I've talked to you about this, but I've talked to a lot of African-American athletes in my life and coaches. And, you know, I'm having coffee or, you know, I would go out or whatever. and I asked them, I say, you know, about life situations that I don't deal with. And I've said this, and I said this earlier today, and I got kind of emotional about it. I said, you know, in America, we don't like bullying.

We don't. We open up our checkbooks. We open up our heart. We do not like to see people bullied. Anybody. And black people in America are saying increasingly, we're being bullied. We're not being treated fair by law enforcement. And so I'm going to ask a personal question.

And in your life, have you dealt with situations with law enforcement anytime being pulled over when you felt you were unfairly viewed, targeted, or treated? Absolutely. On a handful of occasions, with just it being myself, with it being myself and my brother alongside me, with it being my family in the car, and I'm driving an RV. there's been several instances that I can relate and recall. And I'll give you this, Colin, this is the problem. And this is what happens when you do get pulled over. You go through these, this roller coaster of emotions. Anxiety hints you.

Your heart palpitations are just literally outside of your chest. But as a man, as a husband, as a father, as a black man, your pride then wants to take over and mask all of that. And so you don't want the officer walking up to you feeling as though he has put fear in you when the reality of it is, is that's what happens. And you don't want to show that. So a lot of people react and respond in different ways. Some feel like, you know what, I'm not going to just let you talk to me or do anything that you think you're going to do or you've come here to potentially do. Others have responses of hands on the will.

Yes, sir, whatever you want, I'm going to comply and do. And it shouldn't be that way. I should be able to have a conversation with someone who is in a uniform that has been sworn to oath to protect me and to keep me from harm instead of inflicting harm on me. And as a black man, when we get pulled over and when we see, situations like what happened with George Floyd and the many others, Trayvon Martins, and all of these individuals that have been victims to this type of act, of law enforcement, something has to be done. And it's becoming too much of a perpetual thing, which is why we see

the reactions of so many in such a variety of ways of display. And it will continue to be like that until voices like yourself, voices like mine, unite and continue to push and say things that need to be said, have uncomfortable conversations to eliminate and to tear down the injustices that are taking place in our society and within our communities. So you protested this weekend with your wife and two daughters. And I was interesting. And again, I am so incapable of, I'm asking questions today. I have very few strong statements. I know my voice does not resonate as yours does, or Chris Bruce Sard's does, or Coach Tom

Herman, frankly, came on an hour ago and was magnificent. But I had conversations with my daughter this weekend. And we were sickened by the video, and we talked about perspective. So when you're walking with your wife and your daughters, what are your, again, this is a personal question, but I think it's fitting here. Your daughters, what are they seeing? What are they asking dad?

What do you feel as you're walking your daughters? To be honest, a lot of emotion, Colin. I told my daughters, after we were down at the rally, and I'm sorry. I said something to my daughters. I said, you know, I want to say something to you, but I don't want you to become afraid. And I told my daughters, I said, the way your dad is viewed as a threat. I said, honey, if you just pay attention to how people walk by and perceive your father and the looks that they give you, it's almost a little.

look of fear and I am the furthest from acting in a harmful way to anyone, you know me, and it hurts. And for us to be seen and for myself to be seen and many other black men and just black people as a whole to be seen as a threat because of what we look like, because of our skin, I felt like I had to tell my children that real reality. And we've talked about race. We've talked about our skin color. We've talked about being proud about it. But there are sometimes that there are words that I can't teach them. And there are experience that can only teach you and to have things truly resonate. And I will sit here right now and tell you because of what has transpired. And God knows I wish it would have never happened. I wish all of the acts would have never happened. All of these things that we're discussing that surface every time one of our own, is because victim to police brutality or whatever the case may be, it recalls and it causes us to remind and reflect on each and every incident that has happened. And so for my daughters, I want them to understand that just because it happened then

doesn't mean it has to happen to you. There is a change that you can make. There's a decision that you can make. And there's a stance that we will always take, regardless of, it continues to happen, regardless if it stops, we will always persevere. That's who we are as a people. That's who we are as a family. And that's who I'm raising my kids and my daughters to be as young women. When I watch the loss, and I'm just speaking from a Los Angeles perspective, because I watched local, you know, Los Angeles news. I saw 99% peaceful protesting and diverse

crowds, young, old, white, black, Latino, all through Los Angeles, overwhelmingly peaceful. And then there's troublemakers who I thought were a separate group. They didn't feel like the protesters. They were just a separate group. I said earlier, I don't want people to get twisted. That's what I saw. Protesters, pain, loud, hurt. And then separately, younger people that were there and part of chaos.

Did you at any point this weekend during the march feel optimism or hope that it was resonating beyond you and your family and the people in your community. Did it ever feel hopeful to you this weekend? So for us at the rally, the one thing that I walked away feeling like was, and I told this to my daughters, is there's power in words. There were some people who said things, who spoke at the rally, that it really, I believe, penetrated every individual that was there. for whatever reasons that they decided to come out and support,

the words of many have great impact and lasting impressions. And for me to have a platform and to not use it, to have a voice and to not speak, I could not do that. Now, it may take someone time to figure out the words to share and what they want, but just collectively use our words, Use our, this is the tool that we have. What I'm speaking with right now is the only tool that I have that can project light or darkness.

It can build or it can tear down. And regardless of which way I try to, which one I express, someone's going to either jump on board and someone's going to have to fix it. If I decide to use my voice to tear down, someone's going to have to then come back, behind me and use their voice to build up. And that's what I saw. I saw a common collective voice in a message that, yes, this is wrong. But there has to be something and there is something that we can do as a people that can potentially change this.

And that is get up and vote. That is fill out our senses. That is all the things that we as black people, yes, black tend to not overlook and think that my vote or my assistance in this signing this petition, it won't matter. It does matter. Every voice matters because who I can reach, I can reach. And who will lend an ear to my voice because they look at me and they say I can relate to him, I can connect with them. But who then you can reach, Colin, I can't reach. But they will listen to the same message that you will provide them that we're collectively sharing, but they share

a likeness that I can never share with them. But we can share the same voice and the same message and impact the masses that way. So that's what I heard. That's what's hopeful. That's what's promising. Yeah. And that's why it's important for people who don't face 24-7, 365 days a year in justice. have to speak, myself included. You're great, Greg. I appreciate you sharing personal stories and anecdotes with our audience, and I wish you and your family the best. You know what I think of you, and you're terrific,

and I want to thank you for coming on the show today. Absolutely. Appreciate the time, Godman. All right. It's been a good show. We've had, you know, I came into this show today, and I knew it was going to be a little heavy. I feel so fortunate.

We've had people that have really experienced things. Greg Jennings, coach Tom Herman at Texas. his background, enlightening, Marcellus Wiley, Chris Brousard. And we were preparing for the show today, and it was a different sort of construct that we've normally had. We didn't do a lot of prep work. I didn't want to talk sports topics that I thought were insignificant and would somehow lessen the importance of the primary topic today. We've danced around a few sports topics, but there are just days and shows that there are more important things. And today has been one of those days, and I feel incredibly fortunate to work with Joy, have this platform, to have so much respect for people I work with.

You know, Greg Jennings had to literally go down in Minneapolis in the middle of really scary times and protective store with friends. These are real people dealing with real stuff. And if we've enlightened anybody today, I hope we have, then it's a win on what has been a rough, rough. 2020, I am done. I am ready for a new year. It has been a rough year for all of us. But some in particular. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Colin, we'll transition to a few more of those sports topics. Teams haven't been jumping at the chance to sign Cam Newton since he hit free agency. The market for Camus reportedly cooled over the last month, and he could now wait for teams to resume on-field activities before signing a contract. This could give teams the chance to check his health status and meet with him in person before making a decision.

Ron Rivera told Jay Glazer, the one thing about Cam Newton with an edge for something to prove, don't ever bet against him. This is actually kind of starting to be a good situation for Cam if he is looking for a starting position. He should at this point just wait. The free agency came and went, the draft came and went, and obviously now we're sort of in this limbo space waiting to find out when teams are going to resume and when everything is going to be lifted. Cam should at this point just wait.

He doesn't need to jump at a backup offer if he has one. Just wait until he can get in with a team, go meet with people, get evaluated. Again, I think he is still a starting quarterback in the last. a lot of people do. I think, yeah, I think he is. Listen, it's just what's the market? Right. So I don't have an issue with Cam. I mean, obviously, I'm not saying this is up to me, clearly.

I'm saying I don't think that it would be a bad look for Cam to be a backup this year if that's what the market dictates. Obviously, most of us feel that Cam Noon is still starting quarterback in this league, and he very well may be this year because we do know, as always, people get injured. This year's kind of interesting. There's a lot of really strong, formerly franchise quarterbacks as backups. You know, I thought about this the other day. So what's the one unit of football that needs more practice time, offensive lines?

Right. It's the most technical position. Less practice. I mean, there's a lot of new offensive lines. The Jets have a new offensive line. What does this mean? Poor offensive line play. What does it mean?

Quarterbacks get hit more. What does it mean? Injuries. Cam may have a. half dozen opportunities by October 10th. Like I think this is a year in which I do think it's a year in football. There'll be more injuries. There'll be less efficient play, especially among, and there's like seven, eight teams this

year. Went into the draft. Cleveland's one of them, Jets, another. Loaded up on offensive line. We got to load up on offensive line. So offensive line play could be problematic. So saying no is a powerful word. Cam should say no unless he feels truly.

He has a shot to be a starting quarterback or at least compete for it and he'll get it. But the market, it's been proven. There are some things he does plus his injury. The market was small for him. It will expand over time. Right. And he's in a unique situation because of the pandemic he has, have been able to travel.

So the excuse, if you will, that people cannot evaluate his health coming off of the injuries that he has is plausible. It's just that the market also is very saturated when it comes to the quarterbacks. So linebacker Kyle Van Nuoy was one of the four former Patriots that the dolphins brought in this offseason. But he wants to make sure they establish their own identity in Miami. He told the Miami Herald, we're going to get away from that. We're our own team. This is not the New England Patriots. This is the Miami Dolphins.

It's totally different. And I'm excited for that. New beginnings were here to represent the people of Miami. They want it bad. I can sense that Miami is a football town. Oh, it has been for years. It's been a great NFL town. Well, yeah.

I mean, it's a legendary. Listen, we're the only undefeated still. You know, forget it. It might have been in 72, but it's still a fact. But, you know, there is sort of, not a New England feel, but Brian Flores was 11 years under Bill Belichick. They did bring in four former Patriots. He does kind of seem to have a little bit of that no-nonsense style.

And he's building his team in a similar way that Belichick does. Yeah, can I just say this? Brian Flores is doing what every Belize. Belichick assistant should do. He's mostly duplicating what Bill did. He's accumulating draft picks. He shored up the defense, didn't want to pay a ton of people, but was willing to pay corners, and rebuilt the offensive line is his second job. He built a culture last year, then a defense and an offensive line. If you go look at the Patriots history, this is my knock on Velichick's assistants. They're always trying to do it their own way, and they'll take a little bit. No, take a lot of what Bill

gives you. Take a ton of it and then have your own attitude, own speeches, and own belief system. But Belichick's way is really smart, really thoughtful, and wins for 20 straight years. I think that the patient way overall has to evolve no matter what. Even Belichick should be aware of that. A system and a culture can work. But society and the world around and technology and how kids grow up and how kids are coming out of college changes. You can't just freeze time. Like, okay, this is what we're going to do for the next 50 years. Like, yes, your principles, how you approach the game, what the culture is. Sure, but there has to be adjustments here and there.

Everyone seems to just leave out the fact that Rob Grankowski, who I think is, it's safe to say, was one of the biggest personalities in the NFL over the last 10 years, was with the New England Patriots. It worked. They allowed him to be him. And he bought into whatever he needed to be whenever he was in the building. Now, he's since talked about it, like you're not going to be treated like a star there. He bought into it, but he was still doing Gronk cruises and whatever Gronk wanted to do. So you can adjust the system.

So absolutely. Flores should take his, what's the point of being under Belichick for 11 years if you're not going to take what Belichick is done to be a winner with you? Yeah. And then put your flair on it. But I think that a lot of times you have egos and a lot of times people have, you know, they don't want to set a precedent where it feels as if they're just taking from Bill. But Flores, when you watch what he's doing, if you go through his first four or five, steps. It feels very Belichekian. As long as they can draft receivers better than

New England, he'll be fine. Don't try and we say it all the time. Nothing's new. Yeah, don't reinvent the wheel. No, it's already done. We figured out how to do it. You find a derivative and then you just give your edge to it. Listen, I steal stuff from you all the time. Thank you. You just don't know because I just do it totally different. So Cliff Kingsbury brought

some hope back to the Cardinals in 2019 and running back Kenyon Drake, Kenyon Drake is excited to see what his coach comes up with as they prepare for the next season. Cliff is one of the more, I guess, mad genius offensive, you know, schematic guys in this league because of how he can, you know, put players in different positions to go out there and, you know, be successful and use their, you know, their raw natural ability, you know, to mirror up with, you know, the things that the

offense, you know, needs to work best at it. But I know once the season gets going and, you know, get out there, run around a little more, you know, everybody's kind of, you know, get a good flow, you know, score points and, you know, win more games with you. They're going to be interesting. They're going to score points. I don't know if they can stop anybody, but offensively, they're going to be interesting. Well, that's kind of the key.

They only scored 25 points, 25 or more points once in 2018, and they scored 25 or more points nine times in 2019. So there's no question that his, whatever he's doing on the offensive side of the ball is producing results. It's the other side of the ball that they need to shore up. Patrick Peterson also said that Kingsbury has a lot of Andy Reid in him, and he's spending a lot of downtime this offseason focusing on top college offenses. You were very big on Kyler Murray.

I watched more Kyra Murray video than everybody except Cleve Kingsbury. Well, I don't know if it's West Coast and I got his games, but I was watching it. I told you. I think you liked him a lot coming into the season as well. I was a critic coming in, and then I bought into it immediately. Two games in, I'm like, oh, yeah, this works. We'll see if he can avoid contact like Russell Wilson. But to me, I see a lot of Russell Wilson.

He may even be a little quicker, but he's not yet as elusive. He took a couple of shots last year. He's not quite as elusive. Well, that's a little experience that Russell Wilson has when he's able to do that as well, when you ever see what the defense is doing and predict where they're going to go. But I think this is a team that could take a big step up this year, again, if they can get the defense together. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Marcellus Wiley, football coach at Texas, Tom Herman, Chris Broussard. All powerful thoughts today, reflective on what we saw from the weekend. I'll share some of those with you if you did not see those earlier today. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Get your free credit scorecard today, even if you're not a Discover customer. Learn more at Discover.com slash credit scorecard limitations.

apply. I will try to find a comb tomorrow. Yes, I know. I'm hearing you. Very lucky today. Greg Jennings, Chris Brousard, Tom Herman coach of University of Texas, Marcellus Wiley stopped by our show today. He'll be on after us as well. I thought I'd share, because I do understand that many of you come in and out of the show throughout the course of the day. And if you're just tuning in, you want to watch Speak for yourself, which is around the corner. I wanted to share some thoughts from our different guest today on a very important show. Chris Broussard earlier, I asked him if athletes have to talk,

African-American athletes, should they? Do they need to talk about these incredibly important issues? Because of the history and the contemporary situation in this country, our black athletes have a responsibility to do it because they are the most irreplaceable. African Americans. They're the wealthiest African Americans.

They are the most well connected in terms to corporate America and the mainstream African Americans. And they are the most beloved African Americans. You have white kids and kids of all races growing up idolizing black athletes, listening to black athletes, in love with black athletes.

They have a voice that most other African Americans do not have. And I think they need to use it. Then Marcellus Wiley came on about an hour later, and he does not feel that athletes have to take political stands or stands of any kind. I know a lot of people sell hope. And I remind people it's one letter away, hope from the word hype.

You got to be careful to look for others to bring you along. You got to be careful to look for love outside of yourself. You got to be very careful in the way. those circumstances because I'm talking about a guy who rose from the ashes. I'm talking about other athletes who are a lot of them from this same circumstance and to put public pressure on them to speak for something that they don't feel. That's something that's not coming directly from their heart or directly from their experience.

I don't believe in that. I believe in counting those who are with you and not those who are against you and building that ammunition and power. And that will be the energy you need to get to the top of your mountain and the top of whatever you deem necessary and possible. But that pressure, I'm not for it, Colin. Two different views of it, both really smart and thoughtful. I interviewed Texas football coach, the Longhorns coach Tom Herman today.

And we talked about 10 minutes about a variety of things, including what we witnessed this weekend. And then he got very emotional talking about a team meeting. he had just gotten out of before our interview and what he told players. To see the pain and the struggle and the fear, the confusion on my players faces, we've got to find a way to stop. We've got to find a way. The thing I told our players is this cannot be like it's always been, which is a young,

young black or a black man is unnecessarily killed by a white police officer. Two people in our southern United States, you know, shoot and kill an unarmed black man. And we protest and we riot. And all of that is great. And the voices are being heard. And there's there's vocalization on Twitter and Instagram and all of this. And two weeks from now, three weeks. from now, a month from now, a year from now, this has to have meant something. We have to have affected change by not just our words, but our actions. We talk, you know, I ended our meeting with our players, a very emotional meeting. And I say, guys, we talk about it in our program

all the time. Don't talk about it, be about it. And now more than ever, our society needs a systemic overhaul. And it starts with the way that minorities are treated implicitly and explicitly in this country. And I told our players, I don't have their back. I got their front. You tell me what to do. You tell me what wall to run through. I'll run through it. I'll make a hole so big that you guys can walk through it because that's how passionately we feel. Because when you you love somebody the way that we love our players and you see them hurt and you see them angry and you see them frustrated much like a parent you want you want to you want to you want to take all of that off of their off of their heart and you want to put it all on yourself and and

and be there for them a profound day on our show today proud of it proud of everybody our guest Joy, John, everybody that took part, Greg Toey back, our guest booker, Dave Coelho, Alex, everybody that was Chris Healy, part of our show today. It was a hard morning of reflection and how do we present it and how do we be thoughtful and not just pithy. Can we have any impact with our words and some images? And I hope we did. And we are done. So we'll watch TV tonight. Some businesses have opened up even in California.

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