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Episode Date: May 25, 2024

Mannix is joined by Eddie Hearn to discuss Ryan Garcia's positive B-sample, the rematch between Josh Taylor and Jack Catterall, Anthony Joshua's place in the heavyweight division and more (8:00). Later, Taylor joins to talk his anticipated rematch with Catterall (32:33). #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We've got a grudge match between Josh Taylor and Jack Caterall, a rematch of their fight for the undisputed championship. a couple of years ago. No belts of the line in this one, but a ton of bad blood between these two guys. Josh Taylor will join me a little later to kind of unpack where all this animosity comes from and why he has been determined to make this rematch with Caterall happen. Before we get to Josh, Eddie Hearn is going to join me from the UK. As always, we cover a lot of ground with Eddie from the wisdom of Derek Chasora getting back in the ring this time with Joe Joyce. to the latest with Ryan Garcia to how Anthony Joshua fits into the new heavyweight picture

with Alexander Usik on the top. Good stuff from Eddie coming up a little bit later in the show. A quick word though on Ryan Garcia. So the news this week was that Garcia's B sample came back positive for Osterie. No surprise there. The B sample almost always comes back the same as the A. Ryan's team quickly released a statement saying that a hair sample, he analyzed came up negative, which they believe conclusively proves low-level contamination and not an attempt to cheat. I mean, that, of course, is nonsense. It does nothing of the sort. It doesn't prove anything one way or the other is the reality of that. The matter is now in the hands of the New York State Athletic Commission, which will decide if the result of the fight should be changed,

it probably will, and if Garcia will have to serve any kind of suspension. And look, I'm like a lot of you out there. I will. want to believe Ryan Garcia. I mean, that was the signature performance of his career. No one wants to believe it was tainted. But the reality is a banned substance was in his system. And he at this point has no explanation for it. Austerine is not in any legal supplements. Full stop. Finding a supplement that was contaminated with it is going to be difficult. And beyond that, Ryan is said on social media, that isn't take any supplements. He's since backtracked on that, but that's out there. So the result of this fight should change. And Ryan Garcia should be suspended.

Because boxing has to take these kind of test results seriously. I mean, the sport has been embarrassingly indifferent to it in recent years. Look, Connor Ben had clomophene in his system. And the WBC, after what I thought was a goofy investigation, blamed it on eggs and put him right back in the rankings. Alicia Baumgartner tested positive last year. WBC did the same thing. Said it was unintentional. She keeps her belts. The state of Michigan still has not weighed in on that fight. That was almost a year ago. And the state of Michigan, which had jurisdiction there has said nothing. Just this past weekend, Erica Cruz, she popped positive in her title defense. We'll see if she gets to keep her belt. It's crazy. The one sport that should take banned substances

seriously does not do it. Wild. So look, I don't think Ryan should be banned for life. I'm even willing to believe that he didn't do anything intentionally. But a fighter is responsible for what goes into his or hers body. And there has to be some accountability for that. All right. When we come back, we'll get into that and much more with matchroom boxing's Eddie Hearn. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal,

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Hey, cream a chicken suit. This is Help from a Hypocrat, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrat as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Eddie Hearn is the chairman of matchroom boxing this weekend. He is in the UK for the Josh Taylor Jack Caterall rematch. That is a fight that you could watch in the UK on DeZone. In the U.S., you can catch it on ESPN Plus. Eddie, I want to cover a little bit of ground with you here.

But I do want to start with a fight that you have nothing to do with that's coming up in the next few weeks. I saw the announcement over the UK. I didn't know there was any. Was there? No, I know. You have something to do with... Oh, right. Okay. You have your hand in a lot of pies right now, so to speak. The Joe Joyce Derek Chesora fight that's coming out. Just announced...

No, I definitely haven't got anyone to do that one. No, no. And look, you and I both probably have a tremendous amount of respect for what Derek Chesora has done in his career. But the way he's fought recently, two and four, in his last six fights, two fights removed for getting beaten down and stopped by Tyson Fury. My first reaction then when I heard that fight, Eddie, was like, is it responsible to be putting Derek Chasora out there? I mean, he's never going to quit because that's just not who he is. But I know you've talked about this a little bit in the past that maybe he should retire.

Is some of it now on promoters and the British boxing board to kind of look after him in situations like this? Yeah, I think it's difficult because obviously, Derek. is at the back end of his career. Of course he is, and he's not the fighter that he once was. At the same time, he's better than 99% of heavyweights in the world, right? So just because he's not the fighter he was, and whilst he continues to pass all his medicals,

it's difficult for someone like the board to say, no, you're not going to fight anymore, do you know what I mean? I do have to say that I don't really want to see Derek fight again. you know, I think he's had a great career. Stiles make fights and I much prefer him to take this fight than, I don't know, Diante Wilder or Andy Ruiz or, you know, a style that is really not suited to Derek Chazora, a style that might actually be dangerous, you know, Joyce is slow and he's quite ponderous and, you know, he can punch a bit, but he's not overly dangerous. I mean, he's a very fit, big guy. So, yeah, I'm, you know, I'd like to see him pack it in, but hopefully this will be his last one. And I'm glad he's fighting someone like Joyce rather than, you know, a young whippersnapper that can really punch with speed and, you know, move and, and give him real problem.

So, listen, he's got half a chance in the fight. But hopefully this will be the final curtain. Win or lose, would you ever put him on a matchroom show again? I mean, you know, I don't want to sit here and say, oh, I'd never put Derek on a show. I'd definitely be reluctant to put him in certain types of fights. Do you know, if he had a 10-round fight in a fight that he was a massive favourite, I mean, it's hard not to justify that.

So, you know, there's other fighters that are coming through, younger guys who are very inexperienced, who would look to use and be. name like that to establish themselves as a bit of a draw and gain profile. And like I said, at least it's a fight between two guys that are towards the back end of their career and, you know, he might win. You work closely with Devin Haney. The news this week was that Ryan Garcia's B sample tested positive for Osterine, just like

the A sample. No surprise there. I mean, it's the same collection. This was expected to be the result. Ryan has come out with some kind of inventive. investigation that his team has done involving hair samples. Either way, this is now headed to the New York State Athletic Commission for adjudication. Now that we have a pretty good amount of evidence about what was in Ryan's system, how much, etc. What do you think the next step should be?

Well, I mean, that'll be down to the New York State Athletic Commission. I'm glad it's a fight that took place there because I think they're extremely thorough. I mean, yeah, I know Devin's pushing for a disqualification, obviously the fights are no contest. I mean, you, you know, even the weight gives it that argument, but certainly with, you know, one of the problems that we have in boxing with testing is the lag of results. You know, these things take between two and four weeks to be reported back. So a lot of people will say, what's the point in testing during that period before the fight? You know, I really disagree with that because I think you'd still want to know, you'd want to know, you'd want to know, you'd want to know,

what was in someone's system. I think the thing is with Ryan, the New York State Athletic Commission will definitely call it a no contest because guilty or not guilty of deliberately ingesting Osterine, it was 100% in his body, right? We know that for fact.

So the fight can't really stand in that respect, but this is something much more serious and deeper than that. This is Ryan's career and banned. I mean, he's going to get banned. You know, and this is the problem with strict liability. Same problem Connor Ben's got,

you know, it was acknowledged by the WBC that contamination is absolutely the likely source, but unfortunately, it's like you still had it in your system.

And I've said to Ryan, you know, I said to him last week in Riyadh, I hope you're innocent, right? And I even give you the benefit of the doubt,

but it doesn't take away from the fact that it was in your system when you fought Devin Haney. And if I'm, Ryan, I'm getting off social media.

I mean, I can't believe. leave someone close to him right now. He's not getting hold of him, getting him off social media, getting him away to chill out and just get his mind right and get ready to deal with his situation. Because every day,

every tweet, it just gets worse and worse and worse. And, you know, he said before the fight that, you know, oh, that was all a joke, me, the build-up. You know, that was just me being, you know, like playing with people's minds. Well, he's carried on the exact same behaviour. And what was this, five weeks since the fight?

now. Like anybody that knows Ryan Garcia, I don't even know him. And I'm telling you he's acting uncharacteristically. What is the reason for that? Someone needs to protect him and someone needs to help him. Where are these people around him? He's just off on a jet in doing, like going from country to country, tweeting like absolute nonsense.

I don't understand it. You know, it's almost like, oh, he's fault now. We got our job done. We got him in the ring. Oh, and he won as well. Sensational. Off he goes. Let him do his own thing.

Why has Devin become kind of a villain in all this? Because if you look at the replies. Yeah, like, it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I mean, look, we've been, what we've been through with Conner Ben. I mean, Conner Ben had substantially less in his system than Ryan Garcia did. Right. And he's like the greatest villain of all time. this guy's apparently just unlucky you know and devin hayne's a sore loser

I mean look the weight thing's the weight thing like you can't you accepted the fight right so you knew what you were signing up for I think they should have still got him to weigh in on the day of the fight but whatever but now you're thinking I've got beat to a guy that you know was three and a half pound over god knows what he weighed on the night now I've got beat to a guy who had performance enhancing drugs in his system I mean again, I hope Ryan Garcia is innocent. If he's not innocent, and he's done that deliberately, and with the beating at times that Devin Haney took in that fight,

you know, that's a really uncomfortable thing to think about, actually, looking back on the fight. So God knows what Devin's feeling. But, you know, the world's a strange place, and, you know, I worry about Devin as well. You know, I mean, like, I worry about all fighters, Tyson Fury. Like, you don't understand when you haven't suffered defeat, and you, and I've seen it,

AJ and all of a sudden you get beat, the world turns against you, you know, you're reading the replies on social media, like you've given your whole life to this ball, you can't, you can't. So, you know, I hope they can both find peace, but they've got to have good people around it. I know Devin's got a great infrastructure around him and he'll be fine, but for Ryan, I think really feel like someone's got to put their arm around him at the moment. Do you think the punishments, Eddie, need to be significant in situations like this? because we've had fighters testing positive for banned substances, and the punishments either being minimal or non-existent.

I mean, Alicia Baumgardner, frankly, didn't get anything after she tested positive after her fight last year. You know, Connor Ben was cleared by the WBC. Now we've got the Ryan situation. Like, do these punishments have to, you know, if guys test positive, do they have to be real punishments? Yeah, I think so. I mean, again, like, I feel like if a fighter is unintentionally,

ingested. And contamination is a real thing. And so is cheating, by the way. Like, I'm sure there's fighters that have told me or told people they were contaminated and they actually intentionally cheated. And I'm sure there's people who have been contaminated and definitely didn't cheat, right? You've just got to use your gut feeling and your knowledge of that individual to make your own mind up. It's difficult to do. Like, it's all very well saying I've never taken it. I was contaminated. and I think that is true in some cases, but unfortunately, you've got to try and prove it and without the supplements or without the food

or it's very difficult to do so. So I think that now, because of the frequency of testing, sometimes you can prove that you haven't been on a cycle or, you know, if you've been tested three times in two weeks and both either side were negative, and this one was, you know, a very small trace. It gives you a better argument, to be honest. But it's a difficult argument to win.

And that's the difficulty Ryan Garcia has now. What do you think about all these fighters that are requesting the testing and testing positive? You had at least a bomb guarder. You had Erica Cruz. I mean, Ryan has said he won the testing. Yeah, I mean, Erica Cruz is the latest example. I mean, we, I don't want a badge of honour, but we are testing so deep on these cards now.

I mean, that was a show that we had in Mexico that was a pretty small show, right? And we tested not just the main event, but also the undercard fights. Because Erica Cruz came to us and said, look, I really want testing for my fight. So we're like, okay, no problem. So we paid for testing, and she tested positive.

I mean, quite honestly, we wouldn't have tested for that fight if she hadn't requested it, only on the night, right? So, I don't know, I mean, I really do believe that when you see things like that, you can't help but think, you know, was this contamination? I don't know. I mean, it's a difficult one, but you've got to deal with it, you know, and Ryan's got to deal with it now. But I wish you'd come off social media because it makes it worse and worse and worse, you know.

I think there are either a lot of contaminated supplements out there or people are just sociopaths. Like they just believe they can beat anything. Oh, for sure. Chris, I think it's an easy excuse to make, you know. Sometimes you know the individual, sometimes you know the teams. Because I don't believe, I don't believe that Ryan Garcia, whatever happened, I don't believe Brian Garcia woke up and said, I need to take Osterine today to help me. It would have been someone around it.

Maybe someone gives him something to drink while he's trying to cut weight. Well, I had no idea. Maybe he didn't even know. And someone else did. Right. But it's very, very, not often would it be a fighter that wakes up and makes the decision to do this? It will be a team of people around them, you know. So you've got a big one this weekend over in the UK, Jack Catterall, Josh Taylor.

Finally, these two guys get in the ring for their rematch. you know, the tagline for this fight is hate runs deep, and that's a pretty powerful tagline. You know, we see a lot of bad blood between fighters in the buildup to fights in boxing Eddie, and oftentimes it turns out to be in some ways more manufactured than it is actual. The disdain these two seem to have for each other. How real is it? And how does it match kind of some of the other examples of bad blood you've seen in the past? It's like, this is an attack on site kind of relationship, you know?

like I bought fighters to get, I'm talking about Frotch Groves, Belleau, Cleverly, Quig Frampton, like you bring them together, they do a face off, maybe after 30 seconds, someone says something, someone pushes someone. This is like, as soon as I get within grabbing distance, I'm going to put my hand round your throat, you know, it's kind of like, and they never stop. I mean, actually yesterday, sometimes you find this, the fight week press conference is a bit more tame, you know, and it was yesterday. The way in today was quite, you know, dramatic. And then Josh Taylor kind of tapped Jack Castro and he put his hammer in his throat again. I was like, here we go again. So, yeah, there's a lot of bad blood in this fight. It's a big fight. You know, there's 11,000 sold out.

It's had a lot of attention over here in the UK. Obviously, there's a huge amount of narrative, a lot of controversy from the first fight two years ago. And really, careers on the line, really, in terms of being in big fights. Like both guys want to fight, the big names, the division, want a challenge for the world titles. And if they lose, they're a million miles away from this. So, you know, the first fight was quite a cagey affair. And I think this one will be very different. I don't think either guy will be wanting to leave it to scorecards.

And I expect a great fight tomorrow. Why is this fight such a big fight over in the UK? There are no belts on the line in this fight. The first fight was competitive, but it wasn't exactly the most aesthetically pleasing fight in the ring. Why is this become rival? We're a bit strange over here. Like, you know, it's like, it was actually quite violent the first time around in the builder.

And then obviously with all of the controversy, it's like the families have got involved. You know, it's been on social media for two years. Like, everyone remembers what happened. And, you know, it's England versus Scotland. It's too fiery characters. And it's just, you know, it just took off. You know, we sold 11,000 in like an hour. So it's one of the biggest fights we've had over here for a while.

It's great timing as well. You know, we've got a lot of big fights going to Riyadh next week as well, of course, with a 5B5. And it's great to put, you know, the biggest British fight at a year so far by a long way on British soil. So, you know, it's going to be a great atmosphere in there tomorrow. You mentioned Riyadh, and we are about a week removed from the great fight between Tyson Fury and Alex and Usoc. Eddie in the ring, both these guys said that they were open to the rematch. They wanted the rematch. That is contractually obligated, you know, potentially for as early as October.

With the dust settling a little bit, do you have any reason to believe why this wouldn't happen next for both guys? No, I mean, look, when you think about the rematch, there's a couple of reasons it couldn't happen. One is someone's injured, right, which doesn't appear to be the case, although it was a physically taxing fight for both. And the other one is that someone retires or doesn't want the fight. I mean, some people have talked about what time for Ussick to retire, you know, is going to make more money for the rematch. So unlikely. Probably thinks he can win the rematch, which I think he's the favourite to do. And I think, you know, there should be a rematch because it was a great fight. You know, we were there obviously you and me and we had Usset winning the fight. I'd it

tight. Some had it a little bit wider, but still a very close competitive fight. So as much as I want AJ to fight Fury or Uc, I do think that rematch should happen. And I'm sure it will come October in Riyadh. How, yeah, I think you're probably right, but how much pressure, if you can even put pressure

at a situation like this, can you put to make an AJ Fury fight next? Because it feels like, Eddie, if Fury loses this rematch to Usik, it's going to be an underdog going into that fight. If he loses the rematch,

does it take an AJ fight off the table forever? I mean, Fury might walk away after that? Definitely not, you know, obviously Fury wins and the fights for the under It's futed. It's bigger than it is if Fury loses. It's still a massive fight, but they would have both lost Fusick twice.

It's always going to be a big fight. But at the same time, you know, we can't worry about other people. You know, we can't base our career around Tyson Fury winning or losing. The only focus that AJ has is regaining the World Heavyweight Championship. Now, whether that's the IBF spin-off, whether that's USIC, whether that's Fury,

we don't really care. That's just the only. game and whoever's got it, it's got it. You know, AJ's not really focused on Fury. He's just focused on the belts or a belt. So we'd love to fight Tyson Fury for it. Hopefully, if there is a rematch, he can do the business, but obviously he's going to be up against it. You mentioned that IBF title and the thinking going into Furyusik was that immediately after that fight, the IBF would strip the winner of that title. It sounds like there's a little bit of gray area there now with Ussick's team requesting an exception there. You've got the Dubois-Hergovich fight happening next

weekend in Saudi Arabia. Where do you stand on that? Because AJ is involved in that, right? Like he would be theoretically next in line to fight the winner of Herkovich Dubois. Yeah. And as I understand it, there's already been an exception. So very unlikely, you know, I think I get both sides of the argument. You don't really want the belts to be fragmented, but then you've got a guy that's been ordered ages ago and has been waiting and waiting and waiting. So it was my understanding that the Furi Ucic fight took place on the condition that the winner has to fight Hergovich with no exceptions. I don't think that's going to happen next week for Hergovich Dubois for that to be on the line. But maybe the winner of that, AJ's next in line for

the IBF, would have to see. But you can't just ignore your mandatory challenger for like two or three years. And I get the whole point of, yeah, but it's great to have an undisputy champion. But what if the shoes on the other foot and you're this guy who, you're this guy who. been mandatory and now he goes out and beats Dubois and like now they're told no actually you can't get your world title shot till the summer of 2025. It's like it's not fair. So I get both sides of the argument. But I do expect that IBF belt to come vacant, but very unlikely for next Saturday. All right. Last thing for you, speaking of next Saturday, the 5V5, give me the one fight there that you're most excited about for whatever reason. Maybe it's a young guy like Amel Williams getting a big

opportunity. Maybe it's the two faded guys and Wilder and Zhang, but give me the one fight that you're really motivated to see. I know this is going to be a really, like, poor answer for you, Chris, but I, like, the first part of the night, Craig Richards against Willie Hutchinson, like, it's a pure 50-50 matchup between two Brits, right? Craig's lost the tight decision to Bivow, Willie Hutchinson won the World Amateur Championship, like he's a guy who's undefeated as a pro. And then you've got, like, Ammo against Shiraz. Shiraz is like really Queensbury's hot pick.

They really rate him. And Amo like, you know him, right? He's a wild guy, great athlete, can punch, he's at a great camp. That's a WBC final eliminator.

Then you've got Ray Ford, who's coming off one of the fights of the year, fighting Nick Ball who should be WBC world champion. That's a really tough fight. Hurgovich de Guarer, I'm very confident about it now, man.

And I'd probably have to say, Wilder Zang to be honest to you because Wilder's our captain. So it's double points for the captain pick. And I think it's going to come down to that last one. I mean, we may be locked in by then, but we may need Deontay Wilder to win by stoppage to win the entire competition. And if he does, I'm going to jump in a ring, give him a big cuddle and it's going to, you know, everybody's going to embrace with a championship, you know. So this is a really unique concept. It's going to be a lot of fun next week. And it's a humdinger of a card. Like, brilliant, brilliant night of boxing. Didn't Amel Williams write a disc track about you a couple of years back?

Yeah. Yeah, I know. You know, he went for a rough time, Emma. I'm very proud of him. You know, he really lost the, I think I can see behavioral traits in people quite easily, you know, dealing with young fighters over the period of time. I just actually spoke to a young man on the phone called Scott Fitzgerald, who really lost his way in boxing and suffered and, you know, got himself in trouble and, you know, sort of substance abuse and stuff like that. And he's come through the other side now. Just actually, fun enough, he phoned me 10 minutes before this.

And I'm spoken to him about two years. And he's back in a gym and he's got himself together. and you know and with ammo i started to see that change of behavior in him and he came through a fight i can't remember what fight it was i think it was um dennis douglin actually was the fight and i just felt like it wasn't himself you know and he he really struggled and you know he went and got himself helped and pete berg and those guys did a great job to sort of rally around him and he he came to through the other side and it took a long time, you know, probably six months of working on

his mind and trying to get him back in. And, you know, during that period, we had a little bit of a fallout. And, you know, I'm thinking, sure he did some things he regrets as well. But I'm very proud of the way he's come back because sometimes when someone goes into, you know, spirals into that kind of mental state, you wonder if they're ever going to come back and will be a million percent behind him next week. And if he wins, it's a massive moment for his career. That's a great card this weekend. Great card next weekend. Then your U.S. tour, Eddie continues when you're Puerto Rico,

you're Arizona, off to Philadelphia. Yeah, I can't wait. Can't wait, mate. Boxing's flying. You got Eddie, I appreciate the time, man. I know you're busy. Thanks for joining me. Cheers, mate.

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was hate runs deep. Now, now we've seen. some, you've seen some bad blood between fighters before, but this is kind of, this is kind of next level. Is this the, the most animosity you've kind of had towards an opponent? Well, to be fair, I don't feel, I don't feel any hate. You know, I'm, I'm very calm, poised and collected, to be honest, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, hate runs deep, but I mean, I don't know Jack too hate him. So I thought it was

a pretty silly headline. You know, it's a really strong word. So, I mean, don't get me wrong right now. If he was sitting in front of me, I'd probably stick the head on him, you know, and give him a good old Glasgow kiss, you know, as we say in Scotland.

You know, but no, I don't hate anyone, you know, I think it's a pretty strong word, but there's certainly dislike there. a lot of disregard for each other right now, certainly me towards him, but I'm actually quite emotionless and self-detached. So that emotions that I have felt towards him in the past, it's just fueled the fire for motivation and training.

You know, I've just used it to cook my dinner, as we say. So, yeah, it's just I'm kind of detached from it. I'm just another boxing match and another match of the weekend. Where does that disregard the dislike come from? Is it all from the end result of your first fight? Or was there something before then that led to this? Well, I think a lot of it's just the competitive nature of the two of us. But also there's been a lot of things said after the fight, you know,

both from his side and my side, you know, sort of hitting each other. his team then started basically a hate campaign against me, him and his fans, and then, you know, they started targeting my wife and things like that. And that's when it started turning a bit sour, you know, so that's when we started sort of the insults started getting thrown back to and forth from each other. So, yeah, there's a lot of sort of disregard between the two of us, but hate and, you know, I'm leading up to this fight and this week, I'm actually, I'm emotionally detached, you know, I'm very calm and poised.

And what more can I say to him this week that I haven't already said to him in the lead up in the last couple of years? So it is what I is. And I'm just going with the flow, you know? You know, you've had trash talk with the points before. But was it the personal stuff maybe, maybe the stuff about that involved your wife that bothered you the most? Yeah, it's when it started getting my family.

You know, it's when it's when all the, when all the sort of attention was turned to my family and I started getting, my family started getting it, that's when I started getting my backup about things. But, you know, it's been and done. I've just used it for fuel to training, to motivate me and get ready for this fight and really dig the claws in and amongst training camp.

So, yeah, I'm kind of emotionally detached right now. I'm really relaxed here. I'm sitting here with my wife and chilling out. So, yeah, I'm, like, I'm very relaxed. You've had a lot of time to digest that first fight. How confident are you that you want it? I'm very confident that I won it, you know, but I've said it 100 times in 100 different interviews.

It could they were going other way. You know, if his hand got raised and he had won it by a point or two, I didn't even know right, okay. But the judges never saw it that way. They saw it in my favour. and I felt that I had done just enough to win in the second half of the fight I felt that he never really done much

I know he had to knock down but apart from that he never really done much he was very negative and disengaging you know and obviously that's what the judges didn't like why was it important for you to do this rematch well we were doing it

but we actually got rematch to do it straight away you know obviously because a lot of there was a lot of controversy and stuff on this side of the water, and we were due to do it straight away, but then I ended up the injury to the Planet Fashton tendon in my heel. And then by that point, instead of the promoter, Ben Shalom at Boxer, getting another date dialed in and locked in,

he then went away and took Jack onto another fight on a different show somewhere, which then fell through. And then by that point, the WBO were like, well, you haven't got a fight lined up. we're coming to order year mandatory, which is Tio Fima Lopez. So then, it was taken out of my hands then. You know, I had to fight Tio

or be stripped of the belt, the only belt that I had left. So I took the fight with Tio, obviously with all intentions to go there and win and come back and fight Jack for the title again. So, but, you know, that plan was up in the air. Teo tore it up. You know, I wasn't, he was just better than me on the night.

So it is what it is. You know, I'm not surprised. that this fight is happening, Josh, because you guys are rivals, a big fight over in the UK. I'm a little bit surprised that it's happening at 140 pounds because you've talked in the past about what it takes for you to get down to 140. Was there any consideration for you to do this fight maybe at a catch weight or do this fight at 147? No, because I've had, I've done my last fight in New York against Theo. I made the weight really, really comfortable, really, really. comfortable. You know, I know it didn't seem it because it looks like my legs were like

putty after four or five rounds, but that was due to the injury that I had. I couldn't get the conditioning in my legs. I couldn't do my road work. I couldn't do my leg work. Couldn't do the plyometric training in my legs. The only thing could really do was the boxing training, you know, and I got super fit in boxing, but I couldn't do, I get out of the leg conditioning because of the injury. And in hindsight, I should have put that fight back as well, but I felt like I had a great camp and Teal was better at me on the night, simple as you know, but

yeah, it is what it is and we're here now and I can't wait. You know, I can't wait, I can't wait for Saturday now. How do you feel physically going into this fight? I feel great. I feel great. I've just finished doing a session there. You know, I'm still eating a lot, still drinking

a lot. I haven't started doing my weight cut yet and all that. So, yeah, I'm feeling great. I'm feeling on top. What's different, Josh, about cutting weight to 140 now? Because, I mean, like I said, you have talked about going up in weight after you won the undisputed championship. And look, we know that, you know, weight cuts are tough. I just saw Joe Cordina, you know, lost that fight this past weekend.

I think in part because he's just no longer 130-pounder. He had to go up and back up and wait and fight at 135. What's different about you that makes you make confident you can make this weight in the right way? because I've got a great team around me I've got a guy, a sports scientist a sports doctor, PhD and nutrition and sports science. So he

took me into the university here at Liverpool where I am, done all my body compositions, done my bone density my water, a whole much water I'm holding on my muscles, my salt, my everything, you know, done all the tests and I can make the weight. I can make the weight I've always said that I'm a career 140 pounder

it's just the last couple of times I've just not done it properly, you know? I've just not put a little bit of corners here now. You know, 2021, you become the undisputed champion at 140. I'm sure you're thinking at that time, right, I'm going to go on a run here. Like, I'm going to either move up to 147, Terrence Crawford is out there, big fights are out there. You only have had a chance to fight two times since then. Is that, is it disappointing for you to not get the kind of run you probably hope for after you won all the belts?

Yeah, it has been quite disappointing, you know, and a lot of it was like sort of still down to half-COVID measures and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's been very disappointing, but, you know, there's no point in crying about spilled milk, it is what it is, you know, a plan, obviously, planned on boxing three times this year. I was hoping to get this one done earlier in the year, then box about this time, and then box again further on in the year. But I'll definitely get two in this year, you know, at least two. The last fight was a nip-and-tuck type of fight, as you said, could have gone.

either way. What do you think is going to be different about this fight? I'm taking it much more seriously this time. You know, the last thing, you guys, the media before the fight never gave Jack a chance. No one gave Jack a chance and including myself. And that was a mistake that I made. You know, everybody was like, after this fight, what are you doing, Josh? He's going to move up. You've won everything at 140. What you want to do? You want to move up to 140 and get a fight at 147 and then challenged Alex Terrence Crawfords for a vacant title on this. And I was like, yeah, absolutely, that's what I'm going to do. I got carried away with it.

He says, yeah, beat this guy on Saturday, take care of him. And yeah, we move up to 147 and see what's happening. And that was the almost fatal mistake that I made. You know, the first rule in the art of warfare is never underestimate or underestimate your opponent. Sorry, and that's what I've done. I made that brutal mistake and I almost paid for it. So I won't be doing that again. I'm fully switched on.

I know what I've got in front of me. there's a threat and I'm fully prepared this time mentally and physically. Never listen to the media, Josh. We did the same thing to Anthony Joshua before the Adi Ruiz fight and look what happened there. Never listened to us. We don't know anything. That's the lesson that I thought I'd learned from other fighters, you know, but having

the level of success that I had in such a short period of time, I am only human at the end of the day and I made an error of, you know, taking it. my eye off the ball and I've learned a mistake and I almost learning to do a tough way. I was, I know you're focused on Caterall, but I was reading some stuff from your trainer saying he's got some concern about the officials in this fight, specifically the referee. How do you feel about kind of everybody around this fight going into it? I don't care. I don't care. I'm fully focused on doing a number on Jack Catterall on Saturday. and I feel that the judges and the referee

won't have an impact because I feel like I'm going to be so dominant and put on a good display that it's not going to be an issue. I just hope that the referee doesn't allow for the constant spoiling and holding the Jack

done in the last fight which made for a really ugly, horrible fight. You know, it was excessive when he took. He must have warned him about 40 odd times during the fight about the holding and he took 10 rounds to take a point of him. You know, so I just hope that the referee is more firm with that sort of thing in terms of not letting him hold and be dishing sort of unengaging in the fight. You know, it's, I hope the referee lets us fight it out and sort of pulls him up when he's holding.

you took your first loss of your career against teafimo in your last fight what did you take away from from that what did you learn from that that you think is going to help you moving forward i think it was more me that lost the fight rather than t o beating me um i learned the lesson that you never go into the ring if you've got an impairment you know if you've got a little bit of an injury or you're not 100% or able to do everything the career that can't be able to do everything the career right way, don't fight. And I thought that I was able with the limitations that I was

able to do in training camp, I still felt that I was in great shape and still felt that I was in great condition, but you know, I found it out the hard way. And I took my first loss, so congratulations to Teofima Lopez. I'm not taking anything away from one, but

I just know that I'm better than that a hundred times, you know, so I believe it me on my best beats Tio Fima Lopez. I would mind revisiting that at some point in the future. Well, you're both with top rank. Do you think you get a rematch? Yeah, hopefully.

If it's all in house, so it's a pretty easy fight to make. Before I let you go, we've seen a lot of, you know, when there's bad blood between guys before a fight afterwards, they usually hug it out and it's all over. Do you think that's going to be the case with you and Jack Catterall after Saturday night? Right now, I can't see it. it right now i can't see it you know um i can see me give him a good beating and then tell me go get at my sight i'm sick of seeing you speaking about you speak of talking about you

sick of hearing your name now get to france you know away you go and that's the feelings that i have right now so i mean we'll see but right now nah not a chance at the very least josh i'm glad it's finally happening it feels like we've been talking about this month after month for the last two years. I'm glad you guys are finally getting to share the ringman. Good luck on Saturday. And as always, I appreciate your time. Thank you very much.

Thanks for having me. Cheers. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Eddie Hearn and Josh Taylor for joining the show. As always, subscribe, rate, review this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you download podcasts. And I'll see you next week. Thank you so much.

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