The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Boxing with Chris Mannix - Canelo - GGG Reaction

Episode Date: September 18, 2022

Chris and Sergio Mora react to Canelo's victory over GGG. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is boxing with Chris Manning. Or somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Andrew Ruiz is the heavyweight champion. Hosted by S.I's Chris Manix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis,

and everything going on in the world, the boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris Mannix. So I guess we have to start with the judging. Searching for him. Please. DeZone boxing analyst, former junior middleweight champion.

We are in Las Vegas. Right outside that window is Team Mobile Arena. We were there tonight, ringside, calling Canelo Golofkin 3 for DeZone. The positive, the right guy won. Canelo Alvarez won this fight. Trilogy completing fight. Alvarez, too young, too fresh, too fast, too powerful. Golofkin at age 40 just didn't have enough left in the tank.

But Sergio, we agreed this was a lopsided fight. I officially scored it 10 rounds to 2. I pulled my media brethren from ringside. They had a 10-2, 11-1. Somehow, two of the judges of Canello Gullo, Golofkin 3 had it 115, 113, which means if Golofkin had won one more round, we would have had another draw, which would have been wild. Incredible.

You got the opinion of your writers and your brethren. I got the opinion of former world champions, Marco Antonio Barrera, Sean Porter, Daniel Jacobs, Jessica McCaskill, myself, all of us scored it the same. Two rounds max for Golofkin. And I think Barrera said three. But either way, three rounds max, how the hell the Steve Weiss fell, who's I considered one of the best judges in boxing, having 115, 113? I mean, three judges had it that close.

1-16-1-12 and 2-1-15-1-13. 16-1-12 is not atroche. No, that's not atrocious. 1-15-1-13 is a disgusting one because that means the last round, it would have been another draw. And can you imagine if we would have had another draw, We would have to see a fourth fight. We got a clear winner tonight.

That was Canelo Alvarez. It wasn't the knockout that he wanted or the knockout that everyone expected. But it was a convincing win. It was a convincing win. We got the right winner. I don't want to see a fourth fight. I do not want to see Triple G at 168 anymore. I don't even want to see Triple G against the elite.

If he wants to continue his career and not leave money on the table and fight mandatory challengers, I'm all for it at 160. But if he was going to take a big fight against Charlo, against Mangia or anyone else, I and Drade at 160, I just don't see it. I don't want it. Golofkin is a legend. I don't want him to go backwards.

Dave Moretti, as I look at the official scorecard, I had it 116, 112, that's fine. Steve Weisfeld, as you mentioned, 115, 113. He scored four of the last five rounds for Gennady Golofkin, which, to be fair, Golofkin did pick up the pace in the second half of this fight. David Sutherland, he scored four of the last five rounds for Golofkin as well. Those were the rounds I gave him.

I gave him two of the last five rounds. I just think it's charitable, really. And that brings me to my point here. I know what you're going to say. Two of the judges, Weissfeld-Morretti. They scored Canello-Golof-Kalof-Kin-2. They scored it 115-113 for Canello. one of my immediate reactions is because judges are human

like does a part of them when they see Golofkin start to pick it up to throw that triple jab and throw them a bone and like they give him the benefit they throw them a bone and say you know what we didn't get it right three years ago we didn't get it right the first time we didn't get it right the second time we finally got to throw triple G a bone but this was the wrong bone to throw at because this was not the triple G that we're accustomed to seeing Golofkin looked every bit of his I mean.

All right, so let's put aside the judging then and just talk about the fight. Did that go how you expected it to go? No, what your reaction to how it went? No, it didn't. I just think Golofkin looked old. He looked like an old fighter. There was no snap in his punch. There was no shotgun jab.

The big drama showed him to arrive at any moment. I mean, even when we gave him the rounds, it wasn't like he convincingly beat up Conello or won those runs convincingly. It was just, okay, Galafkin won that one. Canello, on the other hand, he was impressive, but he wasn't the Conello we expected. I expected Conno be ripping the body. I expected Conno be backing him up, really trying to pulverize Galafkin. But obviously, there was something there that he had to respect.

It wasn't the jab, and it wasn't body shots from Galafkin, but it must have been something. Okay. But I can't get off the judging, Mannix. I cannot get off the judging. As long as we're going to have a deeper dive at some point to the judge. because it's got to be fixed. Steve Weisfeld, who I have tremendous respect for. You know, I always call him the gold standard in boxing judging.

He's had a tough year. I agree. He gave the Canelo Bebole fight, 115-13 for Bebo. That was a lot wider than it should have been. And this fight was tough. David Sutherland, tough card as well. You could tell from the opening bell, Golofkin looked old like he did. And we shouldn't be surprised because in the last four years,

he has taken largely mid-to-low-level fights. I mean, Sergey Daryvon Chenko, on paper, not a bad win, but that was Dervin Chanko after he had fought Daniel Jacobs and after Jamal Chaloh. Or is that Charlo as well? So he was a little bit past his prime. Then you move on and he's fighting Ryota Marada, who is a middleweight champion, but I think you'd agree the weakest of the middleweight champions out there. And he gave Golofkin trouble in the first few rounds. He hurt Golofkin in the first few rounds. He just didn't have the talent that Canello has to do it.

So I just thought Golofkin looked old. To his credit, again, like sixth round coming. comes around and he starts to pick up the gas like he starts throwing yeah because jonathan banks was getting on him he's saying basically like do everything we we trained to do we are prepared for this you need to get more aggressive you need to throw the jabs you need to bank he was telling him everything he needed to hear but galafin wasn't doing it because he couldn't pull the trigger anymore the thing about getting older when you become an older fighter and you know my last fight was at 38 that's when i knew i won and i knew it was i was done with your legs go but your confidence goes and i didn't have

power. See, the thing about power punchers, they can actually fight until the older in their age. But Golofkin, even his power wasn't enough. His power wasn't enough. The jab, the shotgun jab that he was so, he was murdering people with that jab. It wasn't there. The body punching. Even Canello early on, he was, I mean, in the first two fights, he was throwing that jab. He was falling up the right hands. He looked a lot like most Connollo opponents who were timid about throwing the right hand because, as you know, when you throw it, you expose yourself and you leave yourself open for counter shots. And Conello was throwing heavy shots. especially in the first half of that fight.

On Canelo, I thought he looked great, man. Like, I guess there were some questions about what Canello would look like after a loss of Dmitri Beaville. But back at his natural weight, back at 168 pounds, he looked like the best fighter in the world, once again. I wouldn't go that far, man.

I would say he looked really, really good. I wouldn't go with great. I wouldn't go with pound for pound number one. I think if you would have stopped Golofkin, then, yeah, we do. Nobody stops Golofkin. True. True. I'll give you that. But right now, I can't go and say that it was a great performance by Canello because... Of course it was great. You thought he won 10 rounds to two. Why is that not a great performance?

It was a convincing win, but it wasn't the cherry on top. You beat the unified middleweight champion, okay? Yeah, but at 168, he promised the knockout he was going to go for... The fact that Gullofkin is still like had spent... That's like Marvin Hagler's shit. When Gullofton was spending all that time at 160. 16 years, he's basically been 160 pounder. That's wild to begin with. But, look, I think 168 was fine. still the same fighter. Yeah,

no, but here's the thing. Remember when Kellele was smaller than him? Remember that? In the first round, I said it. I said,

Golofkin doesn't have the body of a 168 pounder, and his power didn't carry either because the thump wasn't there. Usually when Kalofkin's throwing punches, you can hear them. You can hear them bouncing off the shoulders in the top of the gloves in the head.

The thump wasn't there. The aggression wasn't there. He tried a couple times for that, that corkscrew. He tried a couple times. It wasn't happening. It wasn't happening for it. The ambition,

the monster that we're accustomed to see and the big drama show was not there tonight. And whatever the two judges saw, I'm going to keep going to that. I need to know what they saw. They need to write a report. You need to get them on the podcast. Someone needs to find out what did they see. I agree.

The Nevada Commission should investigate that. It's incredible to me. I just think they threw Golofkin a bone after, you know, coming up short of the first two fights. I tend to agree with that. All right. I'm over the scorecards, maybe. Probably not. Just for ten out right now you're over the scorecard.

You know what make Connello's performance? That's even more impressive to me. In the ring afterwards, he was telling me that his left hand was so hurt, he couldn't hold a cup all week. Like, I don't know what that means. He said I need surgery. The fact that he went ahead, if it's as bad as he says, and if he does need surgery in the coming weeks,

the fact that he went ahead and fought Ganadi Golofkin with a left hand that was so bad that it's going to need surgery, that's impressive. That really is. And if you can't use that left hand the way you'd like and still dominate, that shows me some level of greatness. Absolutely. And it will show you that, you know, how great of a fighter, Canello, is not canceling a big show like this.

Because can you imagine it after so long that we waited for this trilogy? To have to wait to like May of 2023. To cancel it because of that. That goes to show you, Conello is not only a great boxer, but he's a great businessman, great promoter in his mind. He fought,

I know it's Avony Yildrum. Remember he fought Obney Yildrum after having like COVID three weeks before? Remember when he fought Rocky Fielding when his brother got kidnapped? Yeah, yeah. He perseveres, man. Put's business first. And, you know, every, that's a promoter's dream because, you know, sometimes boxers cancel on little injuries. You can fight through those injuries, but what Conello does is on another level, and that's why he's so special.

That's why he's Canello. Yeah. All right. Moving and looking ahead for both guys. Let's start with Canello, the winner. He's going to have surgery. He said his body needs a rest. He seemed pretty fatigued talking to him.

Like, I don't know if you picked up on that, but he was like, man, I got to take a break. I need some time off and allow my body to heal. that presumably means May of 2023. The target, I assume, is Dimitri Bevel, 175 pound champion. Bevo's got some business of his own first. He's got to beat Zerda Ramirez that fight on November 5th. That's not a tough fight because Zerda's going to weigh like 225 pounds when he gets to the ring with a light heavyweight. But assuming Bevo gets through, is that the right fight for Canelo?

Should Canelo go back to 175, face Beowel, or should he look around at the David Benavides is of the world, Jamal Charlo, some good fighters on the PBC side of the street? We have no say in that, man. I'm asking you. I understand that, but you're dealing with greatness. Whatever I say doesn't matter. Okay, what would I do? Yeah.

Go for bevo. It's that Mexican machismo, man. Go for bevo. The guy that beat you. I mean, yeah, Floyd Mayweather beat you, what, almost a decade ago, great. You were just too young for that. That gets past, you can put that in the back burner. But to lose in your absolute prime, when you're number one, top dog in the entire world, pound for pound.

And not only lose, but lose convincingly. Against Beable, yeah, you got to get that back. You can't just let that slide. So if I was Canelo right back to that in May, absolutely. I get the sense that Canelo will train like a madman for that fight. Like, I don't think he trained as hard as he should have, but he said this for the first Beable fight. Because how many times we see him on social media golfing and like,

I'm not screwing around because he still takes his job seriously? Do you remember in the fight arena and we asked him, are he still golf and says, no, I put that aside. And then I thought it was because he was training hard for Golofkin. And then Todd asked him that and he says, no, it's just been too hot. Too hot. But he also told me afterwards, like, you know, I want to make sure I'm 100% focused on that. Now, look, I don't think he was at his best against people because I don't think he took people as seriously as he needed to.

I mean, it's somewhat understandable because before Canello, people look kind of like shit in some of his previous ones. He did. He went life and death of Craig Richards over in the UK. I mean, he couldn't get Lenin Castillo out of there a few fights early. Like, he didn't look like a world beater. He didn't look like a world beater because he doesn't take. chances and that's exactly. He took chances against Canello though. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. He showed discipline.

He would throw combinations. He would throw combinations, but then he will stop anytime Canello was against the ropes and he would go back to the middle of the ring. That's discipline. He wanted the fight in the middle of the ring. Canello was playing possum against the ropes. Come on. Bevel's like, no, come back over here. I'm going to keep popping this jab in your face. No, that wasn't a typical performance. That was a masterpiece for Bivel on the jab part and the fact that he had the discipline to carry it through in 12 rounds. All right, caninello beat people at 175? It's going to be hard, but yeah, I think he could.

It's going to be hard, though. He has to get past that jab. He has to do something to get past that jab. Very disciplined jab, as you said. He has to get past that. He has to get past guys that were better jabbers than me. We used to just right-hook the elbow. So we knew that we couldn't out jab this guy,

so we just hit the hell out of the elbow, and they will stop from throwing that. So he needs to come up with something to get past that jab. He does that, then yeah, he can make it a closer fight. That's still a huge. fight in Las Vegas, even bigger if Bebo beat Zerto, that would be a quality win and another huge. Another Mexican, you know, trophy for Bevo.

Not only that, Mannix, but can you imagine if, if Dimitri Bevo wins in Abu Dhabi, what makes you think that he won't go to Mexico and fight Canelo and his home turf? The money's right. I agree. Money's a big thing, though. If you're going to Abu Dhabu across the world, why won't you go to Mexico? Abu Dhabi's putting up a lot of money. Like, the Middle East is putting up money for that fight.

That's why. Mexico ain't putting up that kind of money. It'll do a big crowd, but Mexico ain't put them. Are you're Mexican because Mexico put up that kind of money? I don't think so. Probably not. But it'll fill Azteca arena. A hundred and a thousand fans.

I hope one of those years that Canelo fights three times. One of them is like a rocky fielding type fight. You may not get the money, but you'll get the history. They can probably beat the record that Chavez and Hogan did in over 100,000. Well, think about how cool was Canelo Saunders? Like that wasn't a big gate. 70, but 2,000? A record, indoor record.

During a pandemic. Like that wasn't as big a gate as he. gets in Las Vegas, like, you know, this weekend probably will clear. But it was memorable. It was incredible. So, yeah, I'm with you. Actually, with you on that. I'd love to see him do that.

I just don't think he'll do that against Demetri Biebel. All right. Last thing to talk about. Gaddae Golaugn's 40. He is still the unified middleweight champion even after this loss. He told me in the ring. He plans to keep fighting. He still has those two belts.

He's also said to me, I want to fight in Australia. I want to fight in the UK. I want to fight in my native Kazakhstan. What will the, what should the future? look like for Ghanady Gailovkin. If you were Gennady Gailovkin, what would you do? I wouldn't leave money on the table. There is still a lot of money on the table. There is a lot of money on the table. So I wouldn't leave it on the table. Even though he made, what, 20 million today, there's still a lot of money to be made. And you dedicated to your life

to this sport, this trait. So you've got to maximize it all the way to the end. As long as you're not getting knocked out or brutally beaten, I think he should continue doing it, but at 160. Stay away from 168. His body didn't look as chiseled as it normally looks at 160. You mentioned that early in the fight. He looks softer. His torso, his lower body area looks soft. And, yeah, he looked a little older because he is. So if he's going to be facing B&C level competition, do the world tour.

Take the big drama show on tour. But if you're going to be facing the elite, these younger champions, these charles of Benavitas and Andres and Andréjord, no way. Mungia. Yeah, like Janubeck. Like you don't want Janubeck in Kazakhstan. Mungia is an exception. Do you think you should buy Mungia? I think Mungia's his next.

That's the next big. drama show fight for him. I actually would hate that. And he gets his respect back with that because he fights like young, undefeated big champion that sends in front of him. I think Mongea beats him though at stage. Hey,

all I'm saying is stylistically, that's the best match. He's gotten so much better in recent years. Stylistically, you know, we talked to Gabe Rosado about this. Mungia's got a granted chin. Like, Mungia can take a punch.

Soto's Glockton. I know, but Mungia throws like five, six, seven punch combinations. He's all offense all the time. That's a fight, man. That's a fight. I'd love to see it. I honestly would love to see it.

That brings, that brings the respect back, the confidence back, and the belief for the fans. Because right now the fans are saying, that wasn't the Galafin we're used to seeing. We said the exact same thing on the telecast. But if he beats a young whippersnapper and an undefeated guy like Mungia, it's kind of like, whoa, wait a minute. It's like Roberto Durant coming back and beating Iran Barclay. We've got to give him another chance. Or Roberto Durant coming back beating Davy Moore.

We've got to give him another chance. Old guys keep getting other chances if they beat these young prospects, champions. So give him on the chance Moon, he is the next one If you are going to take a big chance Did you really just say Whippersnapper? I did say Whippersnapper, young Whippersnapper. All right, can we go to the bar now?

Yes.