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Episode Date: November 21, 2021

Chris sits down with DAZN broadcaster and former boxer, Sergio Mora for an emergency reaction podcast after Terence Crawford's stoppage win over Shawn Porter Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, Sergio, we are minutes removed from Terrence Crawford's stoppage win over Sean Porter. And what a wild ending, man. Like a close fight, a competitive fight, at the end of the 10th round, middle of the 10th round, after two knockdowns in that 10th round, you have Kenny Porter getting up and stopping the fight, pulling the plug on the fight for his son. Give me a reaction to what happened in that 10th round. I have too many reactions. The first one comes up. I'm not a big fan of father trainers because they're too emotionally attached to their son. Now, Kenny Porter is an amazing father.

and he did a great job with his son, but there's a lot of times where boxer's son relationships, they start off good, they can win a title, and then they venture off, they go look for someone else because the father doesn't let that,

the boxer, their boy, become a man. Tonight, look, he's a champion, but we didn't let Sean Porter be a man. As soon as he saw that his son was in trouble, a slight trouble, in a close fight. It was a 4-4-4-type fight. Very close.

Very close. How do you stop that? I have no idea. How do you stop that? Here's the thing. No, no, no. Let me finish. Okay, good.

How do you stop that? If you're really looking for the best interest of your fighter, of your son, in a close fight against a pound-for-pound, one of the best fighters in the world, you don't do that. That's when you face adversity. That's when you do something like Virgil Hunter. with Andre Ward. This is greatness, son. This is when Muhammad Ali went through.

This was the Sugarin Robinson done done. We go down, we get up. This is how we handle adversity. He didn't do that. Why? Why? Because he was too close and too attached. So, blood.

Let's walk through that 10th round because Sean Porter was knocked down two times in that 10th round. But the second knockdown, which came without a minute to go in that 10th round, Porter absorbed it and seemed more frustrated by it than hurt by it.

He was banging his glove against the canvas, almost in disbelief that he caught the punch from Terrence Crawford. So it wasn't like Porter was hurt, Sergio. I'm wondering if you as a fighter, like, I mean, how incredulous would you be if you look back at your corner and saw them throw in the towel in what you know as a fighter is a competitive fight? It reminded me of when Oscar de La Jolla went down with the body shot of Bernard Hopkins. Oscar de La Jolla banging away at the canvas.

If you have that much energy to bang away at a canvas, you have that much energy to get up. Now, when you're banging that hard, you're punching at a canvas when you should be punching at an opponent. You don't blame Porter for that in the moment. No. No. Like, Porter was...

He was about to get up. He was about to get up. He was up. He was spry. He was good. He was ready to go. It wasn't his fault. It wasn't his fault.

I'm just trying to get inside the mind of Kenny Porter. Let me ask you this. In the interview after the fight, when Bernato Osuna asked Kenny Porter why he stopped the fight, he said, first, the preparation wasn't there. I don't know what that means, Sergio. I don't really know what he's talking about when he says the preparation wasn't. there. Why did you take that?

Well, I tweet the same thing. The preparation is not there. You knew you were fighting the pound for pound, one of the best fighters in the world. I've been in camp with the porters. They didn't even let me call it a gym. It was like a fitness stationary. Like, they don't like, they're so military. Kenny Porter is an amazing father, and he did an amazing job with his son. He turned them into a world champion. But the thing about father-s-sson relationships, they don't let them branch out. They don't let them fly away. as soon as they have some kind of adversity they want to shelter them.

Yeah, but you hear, you hear Kenny Porter say that the preparation wasn't there. The preparation is always there. Of course it is. I'm sorry, Sean Porter is a 24-7 gym fighter. And he's always the gym. He wasn't hurt. He's only sparring. He's not hurt.

He went down. He's been down before Errol Spence put him down. Why don't him knock him down? Let me say this. He was probably more hurt with Errol Spence than he was with. Absolutely. Let me say this. Kenny Porter made, I think, the biggest mistake he could possibly make for his son's career. Not to say that Sean Porter would have stopped Terrence Crawford or to have beaten Terrence Crawford, but he was in the fight. He was active in that fight. So for Kenny Porter to stop that fight in that moment was insane to me. How do you stop a fight where your son is in the mix to win the Walterweight Championship of the world and win the biggest fight of his career?

How do you stop a fight like that? because you're too emotionally attached. That's it. That's all I can tell you. Whenever you're too emotionally attached to someone, whenever that's your son, you know, I have a son,

Mannix. If I saw my son get dropped like that, it will break me to pieces. Yeah, but your son's younger. My son doesn't box. He's a poet. He's a poet. He's not a poet.

Your son is not a poet. He's going to be a poet. Okay. But he's not a pugilist. But look, here's a thing. If I ever see my son get dropped like that, oh, my God.

It will tear me to him. He's not the same thing, though. His son's been hit, he was dropped before. He was dropped by Errol Spence. He was in a dog fight with Kellbrook. He was in a street fight with Keith Thurman. What are we talking about here? He was in the mix to win the biggest fight of his career.

And the guy stops the fight. That is insane. How do you stop a fight like that in the 10th round where your son is not hurt? You saw that, Sergio. You tell me, was Sean Porter hurt in that moment? Bob Torrens, I love. I love the passion coming out of Chris.

Miss Maddox tonight. He had it last night, too. But where is it in his writing? But anyway, you are absolutely right. You are absolutely. No, no, no, no. Listen, you're right. You're right.

I just like breaking your balls, but you're right. Correct. This is a reason I like blood attached. Whenever you're dealing with a blood sport, you don't want to have a blood attachment in your corner. So you think it's a core thing. You think like family shouldn't train family. It's a family thing.

That's okay. Because that often happens, right? You shouldn't have any, dude, bloody. We're calling two fights the next two weeks, where Teofi Molobe Sr. is training junior. Bill Haney is training Devin. Like, you don't agree with that. They got them to a certain point, and they're still young.

You want 23, 24 years old? Sean Porter is in his 30s. Correct. Way different. Whenever you try to boss around a man, you can't boss around a man, that's it. At 23, 24, you're still discovering yourself. You know you're a young man.

Come on, man. And once you pass 28, let me go. Let me fly. Let me be my own man. You can't tell me what to do. That's the difference between a trainer and a father and a friend. A trainer can be a friend. A trainer can be a father for a little bit.

But then you got a little bencher off. Fly off being an old man. See what it is to get your ass kicked and get up off yourself. I'm not going to help you no more. You bleed, son. You come back at me later. That's some bullshit what happened tonight and everyone's going to regret it. I agree.

think Sean Porter has got to be back in his locker room wondering what his father just did there. You saw Sean Porter after that second knockdown bang his gloves against the canvas. He was not hurt. He was not in a position where he might get stopped in a couple of moments. His father stood up on the ring apron and threw in the towel. And that to me, Sergio, is completely inexplicable. You have got an opportunity to change your stars, to be become one of the best welter rates in the world in the 10th round of this fight and you throw in the towel i don't get it i don't get it i was sitting next to you watch this fight all night long i'm i'm just shocked that his father would do something like that i'm shocked too and

whenever you're dealing in the blood sport you don't want to deal with blood in the family this is just way too close to home this is you know you you got to let a fighter go out on a shield this is a man. Sean Porter would have gone out on a shield. He would have been going to shield. He would have been in a way at the canvas. I agree. He would have that much energy to bang away out of the canvas.

You have that much energy. Two and a half rounds less. But this is when an outside energy intervenes and ruins what could have been something special. He came out wearing a war hat. He didn't let his son go to war. This was half a battle. I agree. You don't do that.

You don't do that in a 12-round fight versus one of the best fighters in the world, if not the best fighter in the world. You let them go out on the shield. You're a warrior. You came out with a war hat. Prove it. What would you have done?

You're in that 10th round. You're a fighter. You're a former world champion. If you look back in your corner and see your corner throwing the towel in a competitive fight, what would you have said? Look, man.

And I hate to bring this up. My second fight with Jacobs, my trainer did get up on the ring and he waved up the towel. And I thanked him for it because I'm 37 years old. And I was getting my ass kick. Porter was in a close fight. Porter was in a fucking close fight.

4-4. How do you stop that against a pound-for-pound one of the best fighters in the world? You don't do that. You fucking go out on your shield. Go out on your shield and don't be in the sport. I agree, man. I agree. So in your mind, this,

was, well, first of all, this was the biggest and most significant opponent on Terrence Crawford's resume up until this point. Did Terrence Crawford gain something from this win? Absolutely. He beat, he beat down, a fighter than no one's been being down before. But did he, like, the judge's score,

the judges scorecards were very close at the very end. There's a close fight, but he beat him down. He beat him down. Okay. Who else is beating down Porter? Nobody stopped Sean Porter, that's for sure. No one drop Sean Porter either. Well, yeah, they did.

Errol Spence did. Kept him on his knees banging the floor. No, well, that was, yeah, you're right. In any more emphatic fashion, Terrence Crawford, did drop Sean Porter. So I think in that way he gained something from it. It's still, I feel like we're still back to where we kind of always have been with Terrence Crawford, where you and I both want to see Terrence Crawford against Errol Spence. Errol Spence was there in the arena.

on Saturday night and I'm just not interested, Sergio, and anything but Spence versus Crawford at this point. I don't care. I don't care about Crawford versus I don't know, Keith Thurman. I don't care about Spence versus... Wait, let me interject here.

Let me mic block you here. Did you just tell me yesterday the biggest fight in boxing is Demetrius Andrade and Jermal Charlo Chris Maddox? You're just... You're going against what you're saying. We're going to get to that. I said I don't want to see those guys against anybody but each other.

You hypocrite. You're a hypocrite. You are a hypocrite. It's not a hypocrite. I didn't say it was the biggest fight. I said I don't want to see them fight anybody but each other. That's all I care about. I don't care about Earl Spence against Jordanus Ugas.

Nobody gives a damn. Nobody gives a damn about Terrence Crawford against opponent X. You need to see those two guys face each other for Walter Waite supremacy. Point blank, period. You're going to say something? I know you're kind of in a weird run away. You should never say supremacy. I don't, okay.

You're a lunatic is what you are. All right, real quick, before we go, let's talk about Demetrius Andrade. Knocking out Jason Quigley, Demetrius Andrade, Sergio, needed a signature win. He came into this fight with Jason Quigley, his fifth world title defense, and it wouldn't have been enough for him to win

a lopsided decision as he's done so many times before. In the past, what was your take on Andrade's second round knockout over Jason Quigley? I love the fact that we saw a dark side of Andrade from the fighter meeting to punking you and the fighter meeting. He did. To being dark coming out. He wore black. Just like when Sugar-R-Lennard in the rematch with Roberto Durand wore black, I love when fighters come out black, back in black. They come out and they want to prove a point.

They want to prove something to that. the crowd. They want to tell everybody, like, this is me. I'm going to shut it down tonight. And Andre proved it to everybody. Now, it wasn't a championship opponent. Look, I'm not going to exaggerate and say that Jason Quigley was a world-beater. He was an excellent amateur. He's a fringe contender top fighter. But we shouldn't be too excited that he knocked him out. He's been knocked out before. Turana Johnson knocked him out. Correct. All right. Not like that, though. I'm just telling you I'm keeping it real. But he did his job.

Andre knocks him down early. Then he cruised into his decision. He knocked him out. He took care of business. He got the world's attention. He didn't near his hometown. That's all that matters. Now, who's next?

Who's going to step up? He wants the big names. He keeps calling him all out. Someone needs to step up. It can't be quickly. And it can't be someone similar to that. It has to be a big name. It has to be a choice.

Garloor, Galapkin, and maybe even a Canelo. We'll see. I agree. I thought that Demetrius Andrade showed me a different side of him in this fight all week long in the buildup to his fight against Jason Quigley. He was feisterer than usual. He was more animated than usual. He was angrier than usual. And you got a sense leading into that fight that you were going to see a more aggressive Demetrius Andrade.

And Sergio And I loved it. And I loved it. And I loved it. And I told them, I want to see more of this. You did? I want to see that chip on the shoulder.

I want to see them wearing black. But you and I, Sergio. I want to see him being pissed off at you. Well, you and I, though, were on the same page,

though, that it wasn't going to be enough for Andrade just to win a decision. He had to win by knockout, which he did. He had to win impressively. He had to.

Impressively, though, is a knockout. Not a lot besides. He's done that before. He had to win by knockout. You could beat the hell out of someone keep knocking them down impressively but yeah not give it back you get the early knockdowns and you want to keep them down and he did he did that he did that that's important and we all remember

that that's Jason quickly was overmatched in this fight and demetrius andrade got him out of there and that's exactly what it needed him to do and now we turn the page towards what does demetris andre do next he is an undefeated middleweight champion sergio he is 301st 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd 1 and 0, 34 now, what is it, 34 something. He's undefeated at this point. He is a middleweight title holder. He has real money behind him. The top fighters in the 160 pound division need to face him. I'm talking about Ganadi Golovkin. I'm talking about Jaime Magia. And most importantly, Sergio, I am talking about Jamal Charlo. Demetrius Andrade versus Jamal Charlo is the biggest fight that can be made in boxing point blank period.

End of story. You're standing up, you're walking away. I don't care. Andrade Charlo, biggest fight in boxing hands down. No doubt about it. I want to see that fight more than I want to see any other fight that could be made in boxing today. There are two unbeaten middleweight champions in a sexy division. The middleweight division, 160 pounds.

They're in their prime, in their 30s. They need to face each other early next year. There is no other reason that this fight cannot happen. Forget networks. Forget promotional affiliation. There are no other opponents for these two guys to fight but each other. Give me Andre Charlo Sergio early next year or give me nothing else. I want to leave this room.

I don't feel safe. I don't feel safe being in this room. our DeZone producer Bob Tornes is here. Can I answer that question, Bob? I want to ask Manick's a question. How does Anthony Joshua versus Usik not be a bigger fight? Anthony Joshua versus Agon Usick is a good fight. It's a rematch.

Tyson Fury versus the winner of Joshua Usick is excellent. I'm all for that. I understand in the aftermath of this fight, People want to see Errol Spence against Terrence Crawford. I don't care. I want to see Andrade versus Charlo. It is a massive, massive matchup in a weight division that has long been one of the best in boxing. Sergio, you and I are talking to each other.

Yes, I told you. Hold on, hold on. You and I are talking to each other in New England, the home of Marvin Hagler, maybe or one of the greatest middleweight champions in boxing history. We need to see middleweight unification fights, and there is no better fight that Andrade against Charlo for 160-pound supremacy. You're dead wrong. You're dead wrong. You wasted all that energy, and you're dead wrong.

Because boxing has so many, much, so many, many, many, many bigger fights. But here's the thing. But here's the thing. Move on with that. But I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you a little bit of credit here. You're dealing with two undefeated fighters. Two fighters that stylistically can give each other hell. And that's what's interesting.

It's an excellent style match. It's a South Paul versus a power puncher. It's a young buck that's full of energy from Houston from Texas, knocking out everybody versus a scientific. But South Paul that picks you apart, pivots away, and it's coming up a big win. It stylistically, it makes sense. But it's not going to happen. So I don't know why you're so energetic about it.

It's not going to happen. Why are you not? why are you not energetic by it? Why do you not care about it? Do you really give a shit about Jamal Charlo against like Macek Sileski? Do you really give a damn about Demetreus Andrade against Chris Eubank?

Not gonna happen, man. Who cares? It doesn't matter why it doesn't happen. Like, why are we getting into like the promotional, like... Bob, talk to him. Why are we getting to the promotional proxal cobwebs here, Sergio? All you need to say is that that fight is the biggest fight in the middleweight division.

Maybe I'm out of my mind that I think it's a, biggest fight in boxing, but it's at least the biggest fight in the middleweight division. At least. Give me that. I told you, you make a point with the fact that stylistically, stylistically, strategically, the fact that they're both undefeated, they're both in a great division. Stilellistic, strategically, fuck that. Who cares?

They're clashing, but it's not the biggest fight in boxing. You got so many. That's subjective. That's subjective. Whatever you think is fine. Use a different word. You're a writer. No.

Don't say bigger. say it's subjective. I think it's bigger. I think it's better. I think it's great. I think it's amazing. I want to see that if what happened. But like the idea that we're going to be okay with Andrade versus like Eubank or

Jamal Charlo versus Montek-Syletzky is insane. If you are a network and you are paying for that crap, you're out of your mind. Those two guys need to be put in a room and everybody figures out what exactly is happening between these two. Whatever never going to put it on, do it. because nobody else cares about what other fights these guys fight. Significant. You're like Googling words.

That's the word that John McCormick from our production told me. And he said, it's not important. It's not the biggest. It's significant. I'll give you that. Middleweight significance. But it's not the biggest. It doesn't matter.

You want to see it. I know you want to see it. You're desperate to see it. Maybe not as much as I am. your desperate seat as well. Significance. Okay. All right.

Sergio Amora. We'll be back next week on the podcast. And DeZone broadcasts. We back next week as well. Teofimo Lopez against George Cambosus in New York, November 27th on DeZone. We will see you next week. It's significant. I don't care.

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me. Eighty-four is big to me.

I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went and try to make sense of how we survived it with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year

for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host Kear Games. This speech is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations, that it's really not safe to have anywhere,

but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor? It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to, listen to learn the hard way on the IHard radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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